For Pat Junkin
Tony Ingham
awaiting completion. Incidentally I have in some very old notes John
described as 'hereditary seneschal of Chester'. If such was the case,
then surely he was the nearest male relative to his predecessor
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Hello Pat,
Happy to know that the problem with the mails looks to be with your
server. I was beginning to think that I hadn't paid my account. I live
in a SMALL rural community some 100 miles northwest of Melbourne,
Australia. Owing to the distance from our exchange and the age of the
telephone cable we can't receive Broadband here by the normal means. No
one has seized the opportunity to install a Wireless network, so we must
make do with a flaky Satellite service.
Thank you for your thoughtful post on the John de Monte Alto conundrum.
I'm very, very busy at the moment with 5 correspondents apart from
yourself. Heavily engaged in the 'Husbands of Iseult Biset' thread and
previous work on the Baskerville family. My research for the time in
question is devoted to the ancestors of Pontius Poyntz of North Okendon
in Essex. Naturally, Elizabeth la Zouche falls within those bounds and
your suggestion that she may be the daughter of John de Monte Alto
prompted a quick visit to the bar.
Having barely regained my composure I've had another quick glance (a la
Richardson) at your gleanings and immediately put them aside again.
Seriously though, how about you give me a day or so to thoroughly digest
what you have written and I'll then hopefully be able to give you a
response which merits the amount of work that you have, obviousy, put
into this subject.
While I'm doing that, have you found from your research any info. on
Elizabeth and also Nicholas Poyntz covering the period between 1297 and
1309? My main aim is to pin down the death of Elizabeth to a narrower
time frame.
Regards,
Tony
P.S. Let me know what Will thinks of your conclusions. He is a keen-eyed
critic and able to spot the merest flaw in one's argument.
P.P.S. Could you please send me copies of all the primary source
material relating to the items mentioned in your mail.
paju...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Tony,
> I have had great difficulty with my server and do apologize for the
> inconvenience.
> What really do we know of John Monte Alto-Montaldt-Mohaunt-etc?
> The only certain reference is:
> William de Kalna died 1255 leaving a son George his heir and lands in
> Wilts., Warwick, Bedford and Bucks...Eyton, fees in Mentmore town held
> by....Roger de Argentem.....7 hides held of Hugh de Gurnay for 1/4
> fee. All the rents of 19 hides were assigned to Sir William de
> Cantilupo to John de Montealto, with his daughter, and the rents of
> there mills were assigned for life to Lady Agnes de Verdun...
> There seems no evidence of this John' death which seems odd for a
> person of his standing and wealth.
> I would almost suggest that Millicent de Cantilupe did not marry John
> Montealto except for the fact she kept his surname until her death.
> But why? She appears to have had no children by him and as I said I
> cannot find a dower related to him. Millicent's comes from her brother
> and the arrangement with the de Boscos. Millicent's daughters are
> thought to be la Zouche."1285 Milisant de Montalt (as Milicent de
> Cantelowe was known in later life) conveyed the manor of Bingley, co.
> York to Eleanor la Souche by gift. Eleanor and her heirs were to hold
> the manor of Milicent and her heirs at a yearly rent during Milicent's
> life of 40 marks of silver; after Milicent's death, Eleanor and her
> heirs to be quit of that rent and to render 1d. yearly to Milicent's
> heirs at Easter." Bingley had belonged to her father, William. "1285,
> Milisant de Montalt conveyed properties in Wiltshire to her other
> daughters, Eve la Zuche and Elizabeth la Zuche [Reference: R.B. Pugh,
> Abstracts of Feet of Fines relating to Wiltshire (Wiltshire Arch.
> &Nat. Hist. Soc. Records Branch 1) (1939): 25]. Eve la Zouche
> subsequently married Maurice de Berkeley. Elizabeth her sister
> subsequently married Nicholas Poyntz. "
> However, in the following there is no mention of la Zouche, so could
> these girls have been Montaldts?
> 1284 Byngley. Item dicunt quod Stephanus Waleys tenet in Byngley iij
> car. terrae, unde xiij car. faciunt feod. milit. de Roberto de
> Everyngham, reddendo per ann. vjs. viijd. et alia servita, et idem
> Robertus tenet eas de Elienora presedicta tenet eas de Milisanta de
> Monte Alto matre sua, ex dono ipsus, peer homagium et alia srevitis et
> praedicta Milicent tenet eas de rege per servitum militare. [14H3:
> William de Cantilupo rec'd confirmation from crown of vill and manor
> of Bingley as gift and feoff from Ranulf, earl of Chester,Millicent's
> second husband, Eudo la Zouche died ca. 1279. In the 1275 IPM of
> Robert Monte Alto, the Roger la Zouche who married Ela Longspee is
> holding fees in Sussex. If any of my information is correct he is
> brother to the John Monte Alto who married Eleanor Stokeport and held
> land at Prestbury and was of the Hawarden Montalts.
> There is a two fold mystery since I do not think we have established
> the identy of either of Millicent's husbands. There is a protracted
> case in Devon in which one document mentions Millicent's sons but am
> having difficulty verifying that.
> Thank you for your information.
> Pat
>