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Valerio Lucchinetti

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I am trying to establish a correct succession (if possible) of Swedish k=
ings in XI-XII century.

I'm starting with Stenkil's accession in 1061.

Stenkil dies in 1066 and is succeeded by his son Hallsten.

Hallsten has a very confused reign. He looks to me having reigned alone i=
n
1066-1070 and associated with his brother Inge I in 1079-1084.
I have two other names which I can not identify:
Anund (II ?) for 1070-1075
Haakon for 1075-1079

In 1084 both Hallsten and Inge I appear to have been deposed (maybe Halls=
ten killed)
by Blot-Sven. (Which is his origin ?)

Blot-Sven has a short reign (1084-1087) and is succeeded by his son Erik =
(VIII according to
Johannes Magnus ordinal numbers) which reigns only 1087-1088.

Then Inge I appears to regain the throne, reigning till his death (1110).=
He is succeeded
jointly by his two sons Philip (poisoned by his brother in 1118) and Inge=
II (poisoned by his wife
Ulfhild in 1125).

After Inge II I have two names, Ragnvald (1125-1126) and Magnus (1125-113=
0). I suspect Magnus
is the danish duke Magnus of Schleswig (son of king Niels of Denmark), wh=
ile Ragnvald
is Inge II's son, assassinated immediately after his accession. Am I corr=
ect ?

Finally in 1130 Sverker I the Elder is raised to the throne. Which are th=
e links between Magnus, Sverker,
Ulfhilf and Rikissa of Polanda, wife to Magnus and then to Sverker ?

Is there any book (not in Swedish) where I could find further details ?


Valerio Lucchinetti
vpl...@iol.it

Jared Olar

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On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Valerio Lucchinetti wrote:

> I am trying to establish a correct succession (if possible) of Swedish kings


in XI-XII century.
>
> I'm starting with Stenkil's accession in 1061.
>
> Stenkil dies in 1066 and is succeeded by his son Hallsten.
>

> Hallsten has a very confused reign. He looks to me having reigned alone in


> 1066-1070 and associated with his brother Inge I in 1079-1084.
> I have two other names which I can not identify:
>
> Anund (II ?) for 1070-1075

Adam of Bremen mentions him in his Scholium 140 (136) as follows:

"When not long ago the most Christian king of the Swedes, Anunder, would
not offer the demons the prescribed sacrifice of the people, he is said,
on being deposed, to have departed 'from the presence of the council,
rejoicing' that he had been 'accounted worthy to suffer reproach for the
name of Jesus.'"

Bearing in mind the unreliability of Tschan's footnotes which I've
learned through hard experience, here is the translator's comment:

"This story is also told of King Inge in the Hervara Saga. He may be the
Anunder of Adam. . . . . The deposition that followed may be dated
between 1076 and 1080."

The "King Inge" which Tschan is referring to is Ingi Steinkelsson. The
adherents of the old Uppsala cult drove out Ingi and replaced him with
Svein, brother of Maer, wife of King Ingi. Svein was called Blot-Svein
("Sacrifice-Svein") because he championed the ancient Swedish sacrifices
of Uppsala Temple. Perhaps the Icelanders mistakenly confused Anunder
with Ingi Steinkelsson, or else Anunder was another name for Ingi.

> Haakon for 1075-1079

Adam of Bremen says that after Steinkel died in 1066, "two Erics
struggled for the throne, and all the Swedish nobles are said to have
fallen in the fighting. The two kings also perished then." And in
Scholium 84 (85, 86), he says:

"After the two Erics were killed in battle, Alstan, the son of Stenkil,
was raised to the throne. When he was presently deposed, Inge was
summoned from Russia, and when he too was removed, the Swedes elected a
certain Haakon. He married the young Olaf's mother."

This Hakon is referred to in later Swedish sources as "Hakon the Red."
I'm not sure, but I believe some have identified this Hakon as the
Norwegian jarl Hakon Ivarsson, whose greatgrandmother was an illegitimate
daughter of Jarl Hakon the Powerful, Ruler of Norway. (The "young Olaf's
mother" to whom Adam refers would be the mother of Olaf Kyrri, King of
Norway. Thus, Hakon of Sweden's wife would be Thora, daughter of
Thorberg Arnason.)

But HEIMSKRINGLA gives this version of events:

"Steinkel, the king of Sweden, died about the time of the death of the
Haralds. [i.e. 1066] Hakon was the name of the king who succeeded
Steinkel in Sweden. After him Ingi, the son of Steinkel, was king . . ."

Surely the same as Adam's Haakon, only here he precedes Ingi, whereas in
Adam he succeeds him. Also, we find here no hint that this Hakon was the
same as Hakon Ivarsson.

That seems to be about all we know of this King Hakon (though I think he
also appears in Hervarar Saga).

> In 1084 both Hallsten and Inge I appear to have been deposed (maybe

> Hallsten killed) by Blot-Sven. (Which is his origin ?)

Unknown. All we know is that his sister Maer was the wife of Ingi
Steinkelsson--and this is known only from the Swedish genealogical tract
appended to certain texts of the Icelandic Hervarar Saga.

> Blot-Sven has a short reign (1084-1087) and is succeeded by his son

> Erik (VIII according to Johannes Magnus ordinal numbers) who reigns
> only 1087-1088.

Hadn't heard of this Erik--maybe he is connected somehow to Adam's story
of the civil war of the two Eriks. Compare also this passage from
HEIMSKRINGLA:

"At that time far and wide in Sweden many still were heathen and many
were Christian only superficially, because there had been some kings of
theirs who had renounced Christianity and kept up sacrifices, as did
Blot-Svein and later Eirik Arsael."

Swedish traditions mention an Erik Arsael, but make him son of Erik
Sejrsael (the Victorious) and father of Olaf Skotkonung! Perhaps this
Erik Arsael of the sagas has something to do with Adam's two Eriks, or
with your Erik "son" of Blot-Svein. I'm unaware of any early authority for
Blot-Svein being succeeded by a son named Erik--perhaps it was merely an
inference based on the above passage of HEIMSKRINGLA, where Svein is
mentioned first, and then Erik Arsael.

> Then Inge I appears to regain the throne, reigning till his death (1110).

> He is succeeded jointly by his two sons Philip (poisoned by his brother

> in 1118) and Inge II (poisoned by his wife Ulfhild in 1125).
>
> After Inge II I have two names, Ragnvald (1125-1126) and Magnus (1125-1130).
> I suspect Magnus is the Danish duke Magnus of Schleswig (son of king Niels
> of Denmark), while Ragnvald is Inge II's son, assassinated immediately
> after his accession. Am I correct ?

There were two Danish princes named Magnus who were active in Sweden in
the 1100's, and they seem to have been (quite naturally) confused. The
first, earlier one was Magnus Nilsson (as you suspected), son of King
Nils or Nikulas of Denmark, son of King Svein Astridsson. The other was
Magnus Heinreksson, son of Heinrek the Halt, son of Svein, illegitimate son
of King Svein Astridsson.
Both Magnuses were connected to Sweden through the female, not the
male. According to HEIMSKRINGLA, Magnus Heinreksson's mother was Ingirid,
daughter of Rognvald, son of Ingi Steinkelsson. I don't know if Ingirid's
father Rognvald has anything to do with "Ragnvald Knaphovde" (presumably
the Ragnvald you mention above), but I've often wondered. . . .

> Finally in 1130 Sverker I the Elder is raised to the throne. Which are the
> links between Magnus, Sverker, Ulfhild and Rikissa of Polanda, wife to


> Magnus and then to Sverker ?

Sverkir the Elder was said to be the son of Kol, son of Svein (presumably
Blot-Svein). HEIMSKRINGLA doesn't tell us about Magnus Nilsson and his
female link to the Swedish kings, but I believe it is mentioned in
KNYTLINGA SAGA (which I don't have in front of me right now--maybe Anders
Berg can fill you in on this point).

Jared Olar

Jared Olar

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> On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Valerio Lucchinetti wrote:

> I am trying to establish a correct succession (if possible) of Swedish k=


ings
> in XI-XII century.
>
> I'm starting with Stenkil's accession in 1061.
>
> Stenkil dies in 1066 and is succeeded by his son Hallsten.
>

> Hallsten has a very confused reign. He looks to me having reigned alone i=


n
> 1066-1070 and associated with his brother Inge I in 1079-1084.
> I have two other names which I can not identify:
>
> Anund (II ?) for 1070-1075

Adam of Bremen mentions him in his Scholium 140 (136) as follows:

"When not long ago the most Christian king of the Swedes, Anunder, would

not offer the demons the prescribed sacrifice of the people, he is=20

> Haakon for 1075-1079

Norwegian jarl Hakon Ivarsson, whose grandmother was an illegitimate
daughter of Jarl Hakon the Powerful, Ruler of Norway. (The "young Olaf's=
=20


mother" to whom Adam refers would be the mother of Olaf Kyrri, King of
Norway. Thus, Hakon of Sweden's wife would be Thora, daughter of
Thorberg Arnason.)

But HEIMSKRINGLA gives this version of events:

"Steinkel, the king of Sweden, died about the time of the death of the

Haralds. [i.e. 1066] Hakon was the name of the king who succeededSteinkel=
=20

> After Inge II I have two names, Ragnvald (1125-1126) and Magnus (1125-113=
0).
> I suspect Magnus is the Danish duke Magnus of Schleswig (son of king Niel=


s
> of Denmark), while Ragnvald is Inge II's son, assassinated immediately
> after his accession. Am I correct ?

There were two Danish princes named Magnus who were active in Sweden in
the 1100's, and they seem to have been (quite naturally) confused. The
first, earlier one was Magnus Nilsson (as you suspected), son of King
Nils or Nikulas of Denmark, son of King Svein Astridsson. The other was

Magnus Heinreksson, son of Heinrek the Halt, son of Svein, illegitimate=20
son of King Svein Astridsson. =20

Both Magnuses were connected to Sweden through the female, not the male. =
=20


According to HEIMSKRINGLA, Magnus Heinreksson's mother was Ingirid,
daughter of Rognvald, son of Ingi Steinkelsson. I don't know if Ingirid's
father Rognvald has anything to do with "Ragnvald Knaphovde" (presumably
the Ragnvald you mention above), but I've often wondered. . . .

> Finally in 1130 Sverker I the Elder is raised to the throne. Which are t=


he
> links between Magnus, Sverker, Ulfhild and Rikissa of Polanda, wife to
> Magnus and then to Sverker ?

Sverkir the Elder was said to be the son of Kol, son of Svein (presumably
Blot-Svein). HEIMSKRINGLA doesn't tell us about Magnus Nilsson and his
female link to the Swedish kings, but I believe it is mentioned in
KNYTLINGA SAGA (which I don't have in front of me right now--maybe Anders
Berg can fill you in on this point).

Jared Olar
----------------------------------------
Jared,

I found my original source which is a large wallchart I got at the Historic=
al
Museum in Stockholm in 1993. The title is: "Sveriges Rikes Regentl=E4nd"

It mentions the two Eriks who died in battle in 1067 as Erik Hedningen and=
=20
Erik Stenkilsson. Then it mentions my Erik VIII as Erik =C5rs=E4ll (the on=
e=20
who enjoyed a happy year because of an abundant crop during his reign) afte=
r=20
Blot-Sven. He can't be the son of Erik Segers=E4ll because he reigned=20
almost 90 years after his death.
-----------------
=09Quite so. I suspect the similarity of Sejrsael and Arsael led to=20
=09a confusion of these two kings--thus, in the earliest surviving=20
=09native Swedish royal catalogi, we find Olaf Skotkonung as the son=20
=09of Erik Arsael, son of Erik Segersael. Later Erik Arsael became=20
=09confused with Stenkil, so that we actually find "Stenkil Arsael,=20
=09also known as Erik."
-----------------
It makes a distinction between the two Magnus in XII century. The first one=
=20
(the one I identify with Magnus Nielsson) is called Magnus den Starke (reig=
n=20
1125-1130); the second one, which is the Danish prince Magnus Hendrikson,=
=20
is the presumed assassin of king St. Erik IX: I think this guy tried to=20
gain the throne after the murder but was wiped out by Karl Sverkersson.
-----------------
=09Yes--however, the Legend of Saint Erik confused Magnus Hendrikson=20
=09with the earlier Magnus Nilsson, even though it is pretty clear that=20
=09it was the second, later Magnus who killed Saint Erik.=20
-----------------
In addition there are two princes, Kol and Burislev (which I think are sons=
=20
to Sverker the Elder) which are stated having ruled in 1167-1169 (after=20
Karl Sverkersson). From the picture they look as having been beheaded=20
together.
-----------------
=09If Sverker had a son named Kol, that would fit with the lineage=20
=09which makes him a son of Kol, son of Svein--Sverker's son would=20
=09thus be named after Sverker's father.
-----------------
Thanks a lot for your help.
Valerio
-----------------
=09You're welcome. I'll examine KNYTLINGA SAGA and see if I can find
=09anything there about Magnus Nilsson, or at least about the marriages
=09of King Nils of Denmark.

Jared

Anders Berg

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Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:54:23 -0500, Jared Olar <ol...@UIS.EDU> wrote:

>In Scholium 84 (85, 86), Adam says:
>
>"After the two Erics were killed in battle, Alstan, the son of Stenkil,
>was raised to the throne. When he was presently deposed, Inge was
>summoned from Russia, and when he too was removed, the Swedes elected a
>certain Haakon. He married the young Olaf's mother."
>
>This Hakon is referred to in later Swedish sources as "Hakon the Red."
>I'm not sure, but I believe some have identified this Hakon as the
>Norwegian jarl Hakon Ivarsson, whose greatgrandmother was an illegitimate

>daughter of Jarl Hakon the Powerful, Ruler of Norway. (The "young Olaf's
>mother" to whom Adam refers would be the mother of Olaf Kyrri, King of
>Norway. Thus, Hakon of Sweden's wife would be Thora, daughter of
>Thorberg Arnason.)

She could also have been Olaf Kyrri's stepmother Ellisiv/Elisabeth/Jaroslawa
(dau. of Jaroslaw of Kiev), widow of Harald Hardraade of Norway, as pointed
out in the commentary of my Adam translation.

>But HEIMSKRINGLA gives this version of events:
>"Steinkel, the king of Sweden, died about the time of the death of the
>Haralds. [i.e. 1066] Hakon was the name of the king who succeeded

>Steinkel in Sweden. After him Ingi, the son of Steinkel, was king . . ."


>Surely the same as Adam's Haakon, only here he precedes Ingi, whereas in
>Adam he succeeds him. Also, we find here no hint that this Hakon was the
>same as Hakon Ivarsson.
>That seems to be about all we know of this King Hakon (though I think he
>also appears in Hervarar Saga).

Yes, but only as the king Inge succeeded. No details about Hakon.

>> In 1084 both Hallsten and Inge I appear to have been deposed (maybe
>> Hallsten killed) by Blot-Sven. (Which is his origin ?)
>
>Unknown. All we know is that his sister Maer was the wife of Ingi
>Steinkelsson--and this is known only from the Swedish genealogical tract
>appended to certain texts of the Icelandic Hervarar Saga.

Inge Stenkilsson's wife is known as Helena from other sources. Her origin
is unknown but the name is Greek as is three of her daughter's names
(Margareta, Kristina and Katarina). Since these names are not known earlier in
Sweden, it is likely that Helena was of some Slavic or "eastern European"
origin. The political orientation of the Swedish kings at the time also
seems to have been to the east.
Regarding the name Maer (Mo: = "virgin"), Lars Lo:nnroth in his translation
of the Hervarar Saga comments:
"The names of the brother [Blot-Sven] and the syster [Mo:] are obvious
testimony of the story's mythical or rather allegorical nature; apparantly
it is about virginity being corrupted to serve heathendom and thereby
the powers of evil".

Lo:nnroth also notes that the tract appended to the Hervarar Saga is
an _exemplum_ or moral-telling story, and adds with some amusement that
this tract has been used seriously by historians into modern times!

Perhaps it should be noted that Lo:nnroth is an historian of literature and
not a genealogist. BTW, he's on the net and occasionally posts to the
Oldnorsenet mailing list.

>According to HEIMSKRINGLA, Magnus Heinreksson's mother was Ingirid,
>daughter of Rognvald, son of Ingi Steinkelsson. I don't know if Ingirid's
>father Rognvald has anything to do with "Ragnvald Knaphovde" (presumably
>the Ragnvald you mention above), but I've often wondered. . . .

The identification of the two Ragnvalds is only a name combination,
according to Gillingstam (1981).

>> Finally in 1130 Sverker I the Elder is raised to the throne. Which are the


>> links between Magnus, Sverker, Ulfhild and Rikissa of Polanda, wife to
>> Magnus and then to Sverker ?
>
>Sverkir the Elder was said to be the son of Kol, son of Svein (presumably
>Blot-Svein). HEIMSKRINGLA doesn't tell us about Magnus Nilsson and his
>female link to the Swedish kings, but I believe it is mentioned in
>KNYTLINGA SAGA (which I don't have in front of me right now--maybe Anders
>Berg can fill you in on this point).

Magnus Nilsson's mother was Margareta "fredkulla", daughter of Inge
Stenkilsson.
Regarding Sverker-->Kol-->(Blot?-)Svein, where does this occur first? I
don't think it is generally accepted.

/Anders

ander...@pi.se
http://www.pi.se/berg/

Jared Olar

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On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Anders Berg wrote:

> Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:54:23 -0500, Jared Olar <ol...@UIS.EDU> wrote:
> >In Scholium 84 (85, 86), Adam says:
> >
> >"After the two Erics were killed in battle, Alstan, the son of Stenkil,
> >was raised to the throne. When he was presently deposed, Inge was
> >summoned from Russia, and when he too was removed, the Swedes elected a
> >certain Haakon. He married the young Olaf's mother."
> >
> >This Hakon is referred to in later Swedish sources as "Hakon the Red."
> >I'm not sure, but I believe some have identified this Hakon as the

> >Norwegian jarl Hakon Ivarsson, whose grandmother was an illegitimate


> >daughter of Jarl Hakon the Powerful, Ruler of Norway. (The "young Olaf's
> >mother" to whom Adam refers would be the mother of Olaf Kyrri, King of
> >Norway. Thus, Hakon of Sweden's wife would be Thora, daughter of
> >Thorberg Arnason.)
>
> She could also have been Olaf Kyrri's stepmother Ellisiv/Elisabeth/Jaroslawa
> (dau. of Jaroslaw of Kiev), widow of Harald Hardraade of Norway, as pointed
> out in the commentary of my Adam translation.

Hadn't considered that. If we're right to make Knut hin Riki's Polish
mother the STEP-mother of Olaf Skotkonung, and not mother as Adam says,
then this can prove true here as well . . . .

> >But HEIMSKRINGLA gives this version of events:
> >"Steinkel, the king of Sweden, died about the time of the death of the
> >Haralds. [i.e. 1066] Hakon was the name of the king who succeeded
> >Steinkel in Sweden. After him Ingi, the son of Steinkel, was king . . ."
> >Surely the same as Adam's Haakon, only here he precedes Ingi, whereas in
> >Adam he succeeds him. Also, we find here no hint that this Hakon was the
> >same as Hakon Ivarsson.
> >That seems to be about all we know of this King Hakon (though I think he
> >also appears in Hervarar Saga).
>

> Yes, but only as the king whom Inge succeeded. No details about Hakon.


>
> >> In 1084 both Hallsten and Inge I appear to have been deposed (maybe
> >> Hallsten killed) by Blot-Sven. (Which is his origin ?)
> >
> >Unknown. All we know is that his sister Maer was the wife of Ingi
> >Steinkelsson--and this is known only from the Swedish genealogical tract
> >appended to certain texts of the Icelandic Hervarar Saga.
>
> Inge Stenkilsson's wife is known as Helena from other sources. Her origin
> is unknown but the name is Greek as is three of her daughter's names
> (Margareta, Kristina and Katarina). Since these names are not known earlier in
> Sweden, it is likely that Helena was of some Slavic or "eastern European"
> origin. The political orientation of the Swedish kings at the time also
> seems to have been to the east.

And it is no doubt significant that Adam says Ingi was summoned to the
Swedish throne from Russia . . . .

> Regarding the name Maer (Mo: = "virgin"), Lars Lo:nnroth in his translation
> of the Hervarar Saga comments:
> "The names of the brother [Blot-Sven] and the syster [Mo:] are obvious

> testimony of the story's mythical or rather allegorical nature; apparently


> it is about virginity being corrupted to serve heathendom and thereby
> the powers of evil".
>
> Lo:nnroth also notes that the tract appended to the Hervarar Saga is
> an _exemplum_ or moral-telling story, and adds with some amusement that
> this tract has been used seriously by historians into modern times!
>
> Perhaps it should be noted that Lo:nnroth is an historian of literature and
> not a genealogist. BTW, he's on the net and occasionally posts to the
> Oldnorsenet mailing list.

In point of fact, the Swedish genealogical tract in question is obviously
not an _exemplum_, though the specific tale of Ingi and Blot-Svein shows
signs of being fashioned that way. It's a pretty typical story of a
newly-Christian king being driven out by pagan reactionaries, but later
regaining the throne. (Of course, that doesn't mean it's not at least
partly true.) The purpose of the tract was to bring the legendary lineage
of Heidrek and Hervo:r down to historical times, showing Heidrek's
descendants marrying into the Skjoldungar, who then supposedly got
control of Uppsala--then semi-legendary history of Sweden is trace from
there until the time of the Dynasty of Steinkel.

I don't know how Lo:nnroth got any of that stuff about virginity (Maer)
being corrupted to serve heathendom (Svein). There is not even a hint of
incest between Maer and Svein. The story reads more like pretty normal
dynastic/political upheaval resulting from the introduction of
Christianity, a thing that has occurred virtually everytime Christianity
is brought into a non-Christian culture (or any new religion or culture
arrives to try to supplant an old one).

Also, it's important to emphasise that never do we find any indication
that Svein's sister Maer was Ingi's only wife, or the mother of any of
children, let alone all of them. If Ingi was brought from Russia, he
might have been a widower by then, and took a new wife after he became
king. . . . .

On the other hand, maybe the whole thing is fiction . . . .

> >According to HEIMSKRINGLA, Magnus Heinreksson's mother was Ingirid,
> >daughter of Rognvald, son of Ingi Steinkelsson. I don't know if Ingirid's
> >father Rognvald has anything to do with "Ragnvald Knaphovde" (presumably
> >the Ragnvald you mention above), but I've often wondered. . . .
>
> The identification of the two Ragnvalds is only a name combination,
> according to Gillingstam (1981).
>
> > >Finally in 1130 Sverker I the Elder is raised to the throne. Which
> > >are the links between Magnus, Sverker, Ulfhild and Rikissa of

> > >Poland, wife to Magnus and then to Sverker ?
> >
> >Sverker the Elder was said to be the son of Kol, son of Svein (presumably


> >Blot-Svein). HEIMSKRINGLA doesn't tell us about Magnus Nilsson and his
> >female link to the Swedish kings, but I believe it is mentioned in
> >KNYTLINGA SAGA (which I don't have in front of me right now--maybe Anders
> >Berg can fill you in on this point).
>
> Magnus Nilsson's mother was Margareta "fredkulla", daughter of Inge
> Stenkilsson.

Yes--and here are the relevant passages of KNYTLINGA:

"Nikulas Sveinsson now became King of Denmark after the death of his
brother King Eirik . . . . He married Margret Ingi's-daughter who had
been married previously to Magnus Bare-Legs of Norway . . . . King
Nikulas and his son Magnus . . . ."

> Regarding Sverker-->Kol-->(Blot?-)Svein, where does this occur first? I
> don't think it is generally accepted.

Probably with good reason. Perhaps the earliest attestation of that
lineage is an Icelandic kinglist showing Swedish kings from the half
legendary (some say entirely legendary) Ragnar Lodbrok down to King Birgir
Magnusson. Since Birgir reigned 1290-1319, this list must have been drawn
up no earlier than the early 1300's. It is reproduced in volume one of
SCRIPTORES RERUM SVECICARUM, on page 6. Here is the section beginning with
the Dynasty of Steinkel and coming down to Sverker the Elder:

Steinkell
Hakon
Ingi Steinkels svn oc Hallstein oc BLOT-SVEINN
Inge oc Philippus Hallstein synir
Rognvalldur svn Olafs Neskonungs
COLR BLOT-SVEINSVN, han kolludu Sviar Eirek Arsaela
Savkvir Colson

(Rognvald, son of Olaf the Subking, is presumably the Ragnvald Knaphovde
mentioned in other sources.)

It's quite interesting that this Icelandic list identifies Sverker's
father Kol as Erik Arsael--"Col son of Sacrifice-Svein, whom the Swedes
called Erik Arsael." The passage in HEIMSKRINGLA which mentions
Blot-Svein and Erik Arsael becomes especially interesting in light of
this Icelandic list.

Other Swedish sources say that Sverker's father was named something like
"Cornubius de Osgocia"--Cornubius of East Gautland. Also, the reputed
father of Sverker the Elder became placed in the reign of Knut Eriksson--
perhaps being confused with Sverker's son Kol ??

For example, SCRIPTORES,vol. 1, pages 16-17 shows a catalog of Swedish kings
from Olaf Skotkonung to Valdamar (1250-1275)--and must therefore have been
drawn up no earlier than the last few decades of the 1200's. It gives us the
following:

Primus, Olavus Skathkununch cognomine.
Secundus, Stenkillus.
Tertius, Halstanus.
Quartus, .......... Neskununger. [that is, Olaf the Sub-king]
Quintus, .......... SVENO YDOLATRA. [that is, Blot-Svein]
Sextus, Haquinus rufus.
Septimus, Ingo senior.
Octavus, Philippus.
Nonus, Ingo junior.
Decimus, Rangwaldus Westgotus. [Ragnvald Knaphovde]
Undecimus, SVENO SENIOR, filius CORNUBAE. [Sverker the Elder, son of Kol]
Duodecimus, beatus Ericus.
Tertius Decimus, Magnus.
Quartus decimus, Karulus.
Quintus Decimus, Kanutus filius beatu Erici.
(IN MARGINE EADEM MANU--Eodem tempore COLO dictus fuit Rex.)

Compare this list to the catalog found on page 21 of SCRIPTORES vol. 1,
which was first drawn up in the days of Magnus Ladulas or immediately
thereafter, but was later continued in the latter half of the 1400's:

Hi fuerunt Reges Sweuorum Christiani.

Primus Rex Christianus fuit Olauus Skotkunung baptizatus a Sancto Sigfrido
in Vestgocia juxta ecclesiam Husaby.
Secundus Stenkillus.
Tercius Halstanus.
Quartus, Neskunung. [Olaf the Sub-king]
Quintus SWENO YDOLATRA. [Blot-Svein]
Sextus, Haquinus Rufus.
Septimus Ingo senior.
Octavus Philippus.
Nonus Ingo junior.
Decimus, Ranguualdus Olaui filius. [Ragnvald Knaphovde]
Undecimus, SWERCHO SENIOR.
Duodecimus Sanctus Ericus Rex et Martyr passus aput Upsaliam, et
ibidem sepultus.
Tredecimus Magnus Henrici filius.
Quartodecimus karolus.
Quintodecimus, kanutus.
Decimus sextus, COLL, BLOTHSWENS FILIUS. [Kol, son of Blot-Svein]

Icelandic testimony concerning Sweden was derived from lost Swedish
sources--but it seems likely that Icelandic sources informed the earliest
surviving Swedish source, so it's hard to say how much reliance we can
put in the Sverker--Kol--Blot-Svein tradition. In any case, there is no
trace of any other genealogy for Sverker the Elder.

Jared Olar

Rodolphe Audette

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Valerio Lucchinetti wrote:
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> I am trying to establish a correct succession (if possible) of Swedish
> kings in XI-XII century.

You should take a look at, and download, Paul Theroff's genealogical files
located at this site:

ftp://members.aol.com/ptheroff/genfiles/

There is fantastic stuff there and Paul Theroff is adding to it every second
week or so. There is a file on Swedish kings.

Rodolphe Audette

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On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Valerio Lucchinetti wrote:

I am trying to establish a correct succession (if possible) of Swedish kings
in XI-XII century.

Peter Sawyers "The Making of Sweden", no 5. in the series "OCCASIONAL
Papers on Medieval Topics" published in 1989 in Sara, Sweden,
contains a lot of interesting information on this subject.

Ulf

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