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Dänk 1010011010

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Dec 3, 2009, 12:53:13 PM12/3/09
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Tomorrow I take a 12-hour bus trip from Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam to
Siem Reap, Cambodia.

The Cambodian people are still recovering from a horrific Communist
revolution/genocide that occurred in the 1970s. Pol Pot believed that
the bourgeoisie must be purged if the Revolution to succeed, so he
killed everyone educated in the old ways, including doctors, lawyers,
engineers, and even people with glasses because he thought they looked
educated.

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge planned to create a utopian Communist
paradise, a new civilization that would mark time from Year Zero.
Some of Pol Pot's reforms included evacuating the cities - relocating
millions of city dwellers to the countryside where they worked as
slaves on agricultural collectives until they died of cholera.

The excesses of the Khmer Rouge were so great that Communist Vietnam
intervened to topple the Pol Pot regime, but not before a third of the
country's population had been murdered.

Aside from the famous Angkor Wat ruins, I will be visiting the
infamous Killing Fields outside the capital city of Phnom Penh.

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Dead Kennedys -- "Holiday In Cambodia"

So you been to school
For a year or two
And you know you've seen it all
In daddy's car
Thinkin' you'll go far
Back east your type don't crawl

Play ethnicky jazz
To parade your snazz
On your five grand stereo
Braggin' that you know
How the niggers feel cold
And the slums got so much soul

It's time to taste what you most fear
Right Guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear:

It's a holiday in Cambodia
It's tough, kid, but it's life
It's a holiday in Cambodia
Don't forget to pack a wife

You're a star-belly sneech
You suck like a leach
You want everyone to act like you
Kiss ass while you bitch
So you can get rich
But your boss gets richer off you

Well you'll work harder
With a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers
Till you starve
Then your head is skewered on a stake

Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need, my son:.

Is a holiday in Cambodia
Where people dress in black
A holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll kiss ass or crack

Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, [etc]

And it's a holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll do what you're told
A holiday in Cambodia
Where the slums got so much soul

gernot almen

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Dec 4, 2009, 1:42:46 AM12/4/09
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"D�nk 1010011010" <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> Tomorrow I take a 12-hour bus trip from Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam to
> Siem Reap, Cambodia.

And your question is?

Please, don't forget to inform us next time you bind your shoes, cross a
street, have intercorse with your misstress...


Fred Williams

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Dec 4, 2009, 10:38:59 AM12/4/09
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Dänk 1010011010 wrote:

> Tomorrow I take a 12-hour bus trip from Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam to
> Siem Reap, Cambodia.
>
> The Cambodian people are still recovering from a horrific Communist
> revolution/genocide that occurred in the 1970s. Pol Pot believed that
> the bourgeoisie must be purged if the Revolution to succeed, so he
> killed everyone educated in the old ways, including doctors, lawyers,
> engineers, and even people with glasses because he thought they looked
> educated.
>

It wasn't communism then was it?


--
Regards,
Fred
(remove FFFf from my email address to reply by email)

Dänk 1010011010

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Dec 9, 2009, 5:48:45 AM12/9/09
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On Dec 4, 10:38 pm, Fred Williams <f...@frewilliams.FFFfca> wrote:
> Dänk 1010011010 wrote:
> > Tomorrow I take a 12-hour bus trip from Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam to
> > Siem Reap, Cambodia.
>
> > The Cambodian people are still recovering from a horrific Communist
> > revolution/genocide that occurred in the 1970s.  Pol Pot believed that
> > the bourgeoisie must be purged if the Revolution to succeed, so he
> > killed everyone educated in the old ways, including doctors, lawyers,
> > engineers, and even people with glasses because he thought they looked
> > educated.
>
>         It wasn't communism then was it?

It was probably a purer form of communism than other communist
revolutions, which typically stop at the socialist stage. Socialism
differs from theoretical communism in that communism is classless,
while socialism has two classes - the ruling elite and the
proletariat.

Of course, after exterminating the old elite, the Khmer Rouge became
the new elite, so it wasn't a truly communist society. True communism
is leaderless, which is unnatural for human beings and thus an
impossible form of society.

Dänk 1010011010

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Dec 9, 2009, 5:50:31 AM12/9/09
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On Dec 4, 1:42 pm, "gernot almen" <n...@gmx.de> wrote:
> "Dänk 1010011010" <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message

You're just jealous because I'm traveling around the world while
you're sitting on a couch watching Oprah.

Fred Williams

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Dec 10, 2009, 5:39:11 PM12/10/09
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Dänk 1010011010 wrote:

> On Dec 4, 10:38 pm, Fred Williams <f...@frewilliams.FFFfca> wrote:
>> Dänk 1010011010 wrote:
>> > Tomorrow I take a 12-hour bus trip from Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam to
>> > Siem Reap, Cambodia.
>>
>> > The Cambodian people are still recovering from a horrific Communist
>> > revolution/genocide that occurred in the 1970s. Pol Pot believed that
>> > the bourgeoisie must be purged if the Revolution to succeed, so he
>> > killed everyone educated in the old ways, including doctors, lawyers,
>> > engineers, and even people with glasses because he thought they looked
>> > educated.
>>
>> It wasn't communism then was it?
>
> It was probably a purer form of communism than other communist
> revolutions, which typically stop at the socialist stage. Socialism
> differs from theoretical communism in that communism is classless,
> while socialism has two classes - the ruling elite and the
> proletariat.
>

Well, I think socialism does something to mitigate the class differences
and it puts some power in the hands of the people. Of course my theory says
that if it is based on scarce money, then it too will eventually degrade
into capitalism and destroy itself.

> Of course, after exterminating the old elite, the Khmer Rouge became
> the new elite, so it wasn't a truly communist society. True communism
> is leaderless, which is unnatural for human beings and thus an
> impossible form of society.

Leaderlessness may not be that unnatural. True it has seldom been tried
and the Unprogrammed Quaker meetings are an example, but they tend to get
more involved with process than results so while they attain a certain inner
peace, it does little to help the rest of the world.
Human nature is tough to pin down, because it is so flexible that humans
can adapt to just about any conditions. A leaderless society, (which is
anarchistic process in essence), would be no harder to take than being
enslaved to a leader. Equality, (which is basically another name for it),
would be marginally better because each person gets to put in their 2 cents
worth and be heard. Although when the numbers are large it may seem like
you've given up control, but no more so than if you work for a company that
has the only objective of making more profits in an artificial economy that
is in the process of destroying itself. You have no control at all there.
When everybody gets to participate equally in the decision making process,
then at least you get decisions that benefit the masses, assuming that the
masses are reasonably educated. Seeing that your neighbours *are*
reasonably educated then becomes in the interest of all, because these are
the people who will be participating in decisions that will affect you. In
domination and control models, power figures have it in their own best
interests to keep the population uneducated, in order to make them more
controllable and dependent on the more educated ruling class. Now you know
what drives the education levels in various countries.

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