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Finally the truth about Jewish service in the American military, it's "bordering on nil."
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HHW
Jul 27, 2012, 11:12:26 PM7/27/12
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By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Veterans Today
"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
American military. Over 200,000 American Jews have been trained at
US
expense by the IDF in Israel but only a handful defend Israel in the
current wars in the military of the the country of their birth. 40%
of the world’s Jews live in Israel. 40% of the world’s Jews live in
the United States with 2.2 million residing in New York City alone.
"It is a prerequisite for public service in the United States or
command rank in our military to accept protection of Israel as equal
to protection of the United States. This is as close to a loyalty
oath as the United States has. American soldiers who swear “to
protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” also know
they are saying “and the State of Israel” without a doubt. Why then,
with American in a decade of wars clearly fought to defend Israeli
interests if not their security, are American Jews so disinclined
toward service to America?
"The last war Jews participated in, as American soldiers in any real
numbers, was Vietnam. 269 Jews died in Vietnam. Though this was
less
than one forth of other religious or ethnic groups, statistically, it
is endlessly higher than today’s figures, bordering on “nil.” 20% of
American troops, by Defense Department figures, are Hispanic, with
the
majority serving in combat related specialties. There are no
“Hispanic related” or “Mexican security” issues in the current Middle
East conflicts.
Phil Shulman of the Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles wrote, in
2003,
“Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active duty servicemen and women
are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent. When it comes to
Marines,
the numbers are even more startling. It’s one out of 1,000. One-tenth
of one percent.”
Veterans Today
"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
American military. Over 200,000 American Jews have been trained at
US
expense by the IDF in Israel but only a handful defend Israel in the
current wars in the military of the the country of their birth. 40%
of the world’s Jews live in Israel. 40% of the world’s Jews live in
the United States with 2.2 million residing in New York City alone.
"It is a prerequisite for public service in the United States or
command rank in our military to accept protection of Israel as equal
to protection of the United States. This is as close to a loyalty
oath as the United States has. American soldiers who swear “to
protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” also know
they are saying “and the State of Israel” without a doubt. Why then,
with American in a decade of wars clearly fought to defend Israeli
interests if not their security, are American Jews so disinclined
toward service to America?
"The last war Jews participated in, as American soldiers in any real
numbers, was Vietnam. 269 Jews died in Vietnam. Though this was
less
than one forth of other religious or ethnic groups, statistically, it
is endlessly higher than today’s figures, bordering on “nil.” 20% of
American troops, by Defense Department figures, are Hispanic, with
the
majority serving in combat related specialties. There are no
“Hispanic related” or “Mexican security” issues in the current Middle
East conflicts.
Phil Shulman of the Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles wrote, in
2003,
“Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active duty servicemen and women
are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent. When it comes to
Marines,
the numbers are even more startling. It’s one out of 1,000. One-tenth
of one percent.”
HHW
Jul 27, 2012, 11:10:07 PM7/27/12
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Count 1
Jul 28, 2012, 7:19:19 PM7/28/12
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Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
that crank writes? Who would?
HHW
Jul 28, 2012, 10:31:54 PM7/28/12
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DoD
Jul 28, 2012, 10:46:47 PM7/28/12
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HHW
Jul 28, 2012, 11:07:32 PM7/28/12
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and Daddy?
DoD
Jul 28, 2012, 11:17:59 PM7/28/12
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time?
drahcir
Jul 29, 2012, 8:23:37 AM7/29/12
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
<coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
>Veterans Today
>
>"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
>American military.
How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
<coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
>Veterans Today
>
>"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
>American military.
source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
drahcir
Jul 29, 2012, 8:48:01 AM7/29/12
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USDoD. No cite at all. Perhaps like you, he doesn't "run errands", eh?
Count 1
Jul 29, 2012, 9:32:18 AM7/29/12
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>> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
>> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
>> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
>> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
>> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> The statistics came from the Defense Department.
rudimentary search of DoD's site shows *nothing* about the numbers of
Jews in active service.
Then I checked scholars.google.ca, their search site of research papers
and other studies. Nothing...Nada on the numbers of Jews serving in the
US military, it appears the DoD is totally silent on the matter.
I also searched for numbers of Muslims serving in the american military,
once again DoD is totally silent, considering how much good the US has
done for muslims with their removal of the Taliban and Hussein, it's a
no brainer that the DoD would publish those numbers, but they don't.
Hmmmm.....
I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
service. You can place the cite right here:
<insert cite>
Good luck!
dsharavi
Jul 29, 2012, 12:35:24 PM7/29/12
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him.
dsharavi
Jul 29, 2012, 12:36:30 PM7/29/12
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On Jul 29, 5:23 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >Veterans Today
>
> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >American military.
>
> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
Jeez, drahcir, don't you have anything better to do than ask Hunter
> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >Veterans Today
>
> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >American military.
>
> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
for his sources? You know he has none.
HHW
Aug 6, 2012, 3:02:30 PM8/6/12
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Jews make up only two tenths of one percent
of US Armed Forces
by
Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan
Los Angeles, Alta California - November 14, 2003 - (ACN) The Jewish
Journal of Greater Los Angeles made a startling revelation today when
writer Phil Shuman wrote, "Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active
duty servicemen and women are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent.
When it comes to Marines, the numbers are even more startling. It’s
one out of 1,000. One-tenth of one percent."
What we need to know now are what percentages of these minuscule
When it comes to Marines, the numbers are even more startling. It’s
one out of 1,000. One-tenth of one percent."
amounts are actually fighting in the front lines in Iraq, after all,
the military assault on this Islamic country is in large part due to
the "machinations " of the influential "Zionist Cabal" operating
within the Pentagon and at high levels of the Bush Administration.
This makes the statements of Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad of
Malaysia at the 10th Session of the Organization of the Islamic
Conference disturbingly true. The Malaysian prime minister said that
"Jews rule the world by proxy" and that "They get others to fight and
die for them." Here in Alta California both U.S. Senators are Jewesses
yet we have not heard of one Jewish soldier from Alta California dying
in the deserts of Iraq.
In comparison, approximately 40% of the US Marines are now of Mexican
descent. This is 400 times the number of Jews in the US Marine Corps
and most of these Mexican-Americans are non-officer front line
"grunts". The 40% approximation of the percentage of Marines of
Mexican descent has been hotly debated. The mainstream media argues
that it is only about 19% but their figures are obtained from the
Pentagon. The Pentagon is notorious for lying about the ethnic
background of their soldiers, for obvious reasons. There is an urgent
need for an independent and accurate "census" count of all personnel
in the US Armed Forces broken down by race, ethnicity, gender,
religion, rank, economic status, and military assignments to assure
that the military burden does not fall exclusively on the shoulders of
Latinos, Blacks, American Indians and economically poor Whites.
The Nassiriya ambush in Iraq where Pfc Jessica Lynch was taken
prisoner is a perfect example of who is suffering the casualties in
Iraq and elsewhere around the world. All of the eleven US soldiers
that were captured or killed in Nassiriya where from economically
disadvantaged homes who joined the army to escape poverty. One was a
Mexican-American, one a Filipino-American, one female who was killed
was a Navajo/Mexican-American, and one who suffered major injuries to
her ankles was a female Afro-American. Pfc Jessica Lynch was a poor
White teenager from the economically devastated area called "the
hollers" of West Virginia.
There is no question that the war against Iraq is being waged, in
large measure, at the prompting of Zionist Israel and US Jewry. The
other reason is that Bush Jr. and his cronies want to rob the Iraqi
people of their oil riches. There is also no question that US Jews are
more loyal to Zionist Israel than to the USA. Most hold dual
citizenship in Israel and in the USA. They reside here and in many
other countries simply to manipulate the countries for their own
benefit. They will manipulate the US government to wage war against
their enemies and utilize the country's "people of color" and
economically poor Whites to die for them in the front lines.
Related La Voz de Aztlan article and report:
LA RAZA: The "grunts" of the U.S. Armed Forces
IRAQ WAR: Known GI's of Mexican Descent Killed, MIAs and POWs
HHW
Aug 6, 2012, 3:22:17 PM8/6/12
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On 28 jul, 18:19, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Hey there is plenty for you to feel proud about from among the very
few, the proud, the Marines:
HHW
Aug 6, 2012, 3:15:01 PM8/6/12
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Here's a perfectly reliable source:
November 13, 2003
The (Very) Few, the Proud
Letter From Brentwood
BY PHIL SHUMAN
Follow JewishJournal.com on
When Jeffrey Ullman's son broke the news, Dad was more shocked at his
own reaction than he was at the actual decision itself.
Drew Ullman, age 20, after two years at college in Santa Barbara, had
announced that was putting college life on hold and would join the
Marines. He heads to boot camp in January, and said he wishes he could
go sooner. His father, a former anti-war activist and full-fledged
liberal, said at one time he would have talked his son out of it. Now
he realizes he couldn't be prouder.
"My father and I have similar thinking," said Drew, who grew up in
Beverly Hills and the West Valley, "what we call our 9-10 and our 9-12
thinking. I feel like I owe a lot to this country, more so than
someone who needs to go into the military as a way out. I grew up with
money, with a great education, had a lot of advantages that other kids
don't have, so I really owe a lot to this country."
Drew's parents now live in Brentwood. His dad explained it this way:
"For years I thought the military wasn't the right thing for 'my kind
of people.' That came from my politically liberal background and
socioeconomic class.... I was a big anti-war activist and student
radical at USC and Berkley. I continued my political activism
throughout the '70s. But now my thinking about many things in the
world has changed, including my thoughts about the military. In World
War II, where my dad was a doctor with the Navy and the Marines, it
was good versus evil. The only right thing to do was to participate,
whereas in Vietnam and other battles, even Afghanistan, I wasn't a
supporter. Now, again, it's very clear-cut. It's a matter of morality.
Drew is beginning a journey that few Jews choose to make."
Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active duty servicemen and women
are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent. When it comes to Marines,
the numbers are even more startling. It's one out of 1,000. One-tenth
Yet for Drew and his father, who both have a strong Jewish identity,
that wasn't really a factor. To them, the idea is to serve your
country as an American who's Jewish, not as a Jew who's American. At
his first interview with the recruiter, Drew remembers them asking:
"Do you want to be one of the best or one of the rest?"
Drew said: "That helped clinch it for me. If I can be a Marine I can
do anything. Being Jewish in the Marines wasn't really an issue. I
can't imagine too many boys like me that are raised to be doctors,
lawyers or accountants becoming Marines, but if I'm going to serve my
country let me serve my country. I like defying stereotypes. That's my
favorite thing to do. There's a stereotype, more of an American
stereotype, that Jewish men are not tough, they're nerdy. That's not
true."
Of course, with the current war in Iraq, and with troops on the ground
in Afghanistan, being a Jew is very much an issue. Jews have taken
steps to protect their religious identity in case of capture by the
enemy. The chances that we'll still be fighting in those locations by
the time Drew finishes 13 weeks of boot camp and further training is
remote, but real. He claims he's not worried.
"Most likely I'll be initially be stationed in Camp Pendleton. I could
be on ship duty, embassy duty or, yes, I could be in a war like Iraq.
I'm not looking for a fight, but I'm not signing up to sit on my ass
stateside," he said.
Sounds like he's already a soldier.
Dad put it this way: "My attitude is this -- to the extent he's able
to wear his yarmulke and practice Judaism while fighting under the
American flag, then do that. He always calls me every single Friday
night ... so I asked him 'Are you still going to call me? You better
call me or you're in trouble.' He said 'I'll do what I can.' So no,
I'm not worried about him being a Jew going into the military. He's
going to be part of an elite club. Many of my friends, both liberals
and those who are conservative politically, might be surprised by my
new attitude. They think they know me so they would not have expected
it. I say to them, 'what are your sons and daughters doing for this
country?'"
Good question.
Phil Shuman is a reporter and substitute anchor for Fox 11 KTTV News.
He is also hosts news programs for Channel 35's "L.A. Cityview."
HHW
Aug 6, 2012, 3:53:33 PM8/6/12
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On 28 jul, 22:24, brianlambsbig...@excite.com wrote:
> DoD, I asked the gutless dog turd HHW what his military service was .....
>
> I'm still waiting for his answer!
>
> (He's like that other gutless dog turd Carolina Reb, just a big mouth - they both post from that Veterans Today site!)
Actual proof of gutlessness is the fact that you cut four out of five
of my addresses. Say what you like but you fear my impact.
> DoD, I asked the gutless dog turd HHW what his military service was .....
>
> I'm still waiting for his answer!
>
> (He's like that other gutless dog turd Carolina Reb, just a big mouth - they both post from that Veterans Today site!)
Actual proof of gutlessness is the fact that you cut four out of five
of my addresses. Say what you like but you fear my impact.
HHW
Aug 6, 2012, 3:54:46 PM8/6/12
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On 28 jul, 22:50, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> are a lot of articles written by kooks there. Doesn't
> seem like a legit news site.
Get it from a Jewish Marine:
by Mikhail Ekshtut
There are about 50 observant Jews in the U.S. military, and I am one
of them.
I was born in Kiev, Ukraine, and my parents, sister and I emigrated to
Seattle in 1976. My family wasn’t observant, but I spent summers at a
Jewish day camp and we occasionally attended Seattle's Chabad House
during the holidays.
As a kid I always wanted to serve my country. I am very disciplined by
nature, and don’t like to do anything half-heartedly, so I decided to
join the best fighting force in the world, the United States Marines.
The typical Jewish reaction was: "What's a nice Jewish boy doing in
the Marines?" My parents, who escaped the USSR to save me from having
to serve in the Soviet military, thought I was crazy.
I showed them. On February 8, 1989, four days after my eighteenth
birthday, I shipped off to Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego.
On the third day of boot camp, we were sitting in formation when a
mean drill instructor (they are all mean) approached the platoon and
barked, "All my Jews, stand up."
I thought to myself, "here we go, the persecution of the Jews is about
to begin." Out of 87 recruits, I was the only one to stand up. He
ordered me to report to a Major standing off in the distance, which I
nervously did.
I saluted and said, "Sir, Private Ekshtut reporting as ordered, Sir!"
I will never forget what he said to me. "Do you know that you are one
tenth of one percent of all of Marines in the Marine Corps?" He
introduced himself as Major Goldberg or some similar Jewish name, and
explained that only one in a thousand Marines is Jewish. He then
invited me to attend Friday night services at the nearby Navy chapel.
I accepted.
I served overseas in exotic locations like Okinawa, Korea, the
Philippines, and Bangladesh. During the first Gulf War, I was deployed
for seven months on a Navy ship in the Middle East. That winter, I lit
Chanukah candles in the middle of the Persian Gulf.
After four years of active duty, I continued to serve one weekend a
month and two weeks a year in the Marine Reserves. After graduating
college as a civil engineer, I spent a few months in Israel to learn
more about Jewish life. After several years of learning, I went to
synagogue every Shabbat, put on tefillin every morning, and tried to
keep kosher.
The only time I couldn’t keep the Sabbath was during my monthly
weekend duty in the Reserves. Not that it wasn't allowed - on the
contrary. The more observant I became, the more supportive they were.
I lit candles and made Kiddush in the barracks on Friday nights and my
friends would even do "labors" prohibited for me on the Sabbath.
But in the Reserves, Saturday is the main training day. I had to make
a decision: leave my beloved Marine Corps or stay in the Marines and
be lenient one weekend a month. After nearly 13 years of service, I
left the military to keep Shabbat.
Much of what I learned in the Marines has made me a better Jew. Jewish
observance is similar to military training, except you don't have to
sweat as much or crawl in the mud. For me, becoming observant was an
easy transition.
Being a Marine taught me self-discipline and responsibility, how to
answer to a "higher authority," the value of teamwork, family and
community, pride and self-esteem. Being charged by the real Commander-
in-Chief, to wake up early and put on tefillin, keep kosher, and
interact with the Jewish community, we acquire qualities similar to
those in the military.
One day when G-d grants me a son, would I want him to join the
military? In both good Jewish and military tradition, I will cross
that bridge when I get to it.
My more immediate objective now is to find my soulmate. However, I
know that if my future son serves in the military, he'll become a
better man and a better servant of G-d because of it.
Mikhail Ekshtut is a Civil Engineer in Seattle and Chaplain Assistant
in the Air Force Reserve.
> On Jul 28, 10:24 pm, brianlambsbig...@excite.com wrote:
>
> > DoD, I asked the gutless dog turd HHW what his military service was .....
>
> > I'm still waiting for his answer!
>
> > (He's like that other gutless dog turd Carolina Reb, just a big mouth - they both post from that Veterans Today site!)
>
> What is the scoop with the Veterans Today website. It seems like there
>
> > DoD, I asked the gutless dog turd HHW what his military service was .....
>
> > I'm still waiting for his answer!
>
> > (He's like that other gutless dog turd Carolina Reb, just a big mouth - they both post from that Veterans Today site!)
>
> are a lot of articles written by kooks there. Doesn't
> seem like a legit news site.
Get it from a Jewish Marine:
by Mikhail Ekshtut
There are about 50 observant Jews in the U.S. military, and I am one
of them.
I was born in Kiev, Ukraine, and my parents, sister and I emigrated to
Seattle in 1976. My family wasn’t observant, but I spent summers at a
Jewish day camp and we occasionally attended Seattle's Chabad House
during the holidays.
As a kid I always wanted to serve my country. I am very disciplined by
nature, and don’t like to do anything half-heartedly, so I decided to
join the best fighting force in the world, the United States Marines.
The typical Jewish reaction was: "What's a nice Jewish boy doing in
the Marines?" My parents, who escaped the USSR to save me from having
to serve in the Soviet military, thought I was crazy.
I showed them. On February 8, 1989, four days after my eighteenth
birthday, I shipped off to Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego.
On the third day of boot camp, we were sitting in formation when a
mean drill instructor (they are all mean) approached the platoon and
barked, "All my Jews, stand up."
I thought to myself, "here we go, the persecution of the Jews is about
to begin." Out of 87 recruits, I was the only one to stand up. He
ordered me to report to a Major standing off in the distance, which I
nervously did.
I saluted and said, "Sir, Private Ekshtut reporting as ordered, Sir!"
I will never forget what he said to me. "Do you know that you are one
tenth of one percent of all of Marines in the Marine Corps?" He
introduced himself as Major Goldberg or some similar Jewish name, and
explained that only one in a thousand Marines is Jewish. He then
invited me to attend Friday night services at the nearby Navy chapel.
I accepted.
I served overseas in exotic locations like Okinawa, Korea, the
Philippines, and Bangladesh. During the first Gulf War, I was deployed
for seven months on a Navy ship in the Middle East. That winter, I lit
Chanukah candles in the middle of the Persian Gulf.
After four years of active duty, I continued to serve one weekend a
month and two weeks a year in the Marine Reserves. After graduating
college as a civil engineer, I spent a few months in Israel to learn
more about Jewish life. After several years of learning, I went to
synagogue every Shabbat, put on tefillin every morning, and tried to
keep kosher.
The only time I couldn’t keep the Sabbath was during my monthly
weekend duty in the Reserves. Not that it wasn't allowed - on the
contrary. The more observant I became, the more supportive they were.
I lit candles and made Kiddush in the barracks on Friday nights and my
friends would even do "labors" prohibited for me on the Sabbath.
But in the Reserves, Saturday is the main training day. I had to make
a decision: leave my beloved Marine Corps or stay in the Marines and
be lenient one weekend a month. After nearly 13 years of service, I
left the military to keep Shabbat.
Much of what I learned in the Marines has made me a better Jew. Jewish
observance is similar to military training, except you don't have to
sweat as much or crawl in the mud. For me, becoming observant was an
easy transition.
Being a Marine taught me self-discipline and responsibility, how to
answer to a "higher authority," the value of teamwork, family and
community, pride and self-esteem. Being charged by the real Commander-
in-Chief, to wake up early and put on tefillin, keep kosher, and
interact with the Jewish community, we acquire qualities similar to
those in the military.
One day when G-d grants me a son, would I want him to join the
military? In both good Jewish and military tradition, I will cross
that bridge when I get to it.
My more immediate objective now is to find my soulmate. However, I
know that if my future son serves in the military, he'll become a
better man and a better servant of G-d because of it.
Mikhail Ekshtut is a Civil Engineer in Seattle and Chaplain Assistant
in the Air Force Reserve.
dsharavi
Aug 6, 2012, 4:35:46 PM8/6/12
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> On 28 jul, 22:17, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
> > time?>
> > 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
> > time?>
On Aug 6, 12:02 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jews make up only two tenths of one percent
> of US Armed Forces
> by
> Ernesto Cienfuegos
> La Voz de Aztlan
rotf
> Jews make up only two tenths of one percent
> of US Armed Forces
> by
> Ernesto Cienfuegos
> La Voz de Aztlan
> Los Angeles, Alta California - November 14, 2003 - (ACN) The Jewish
> Journal of Greater Los Angeles made a startling revelation today when
> writer Phil Shuman wrote, "Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active
> duty servicemen and women are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent.
> When it comes to Marines, the numbers are even more startling. It’s
> one out of 1,000. One-tenth of one percent."
The Voz de Aztlan was an anti-American PoS then, and it's still an
anti-American PoS. From the Southern Poverty Law Center's files:
Tiny Chicano Group Pushes Racism and Homophobia
Ethnic Nationalism
"Our duty is to take back what is ours," reads the Internet page,
"even if it means carrying out total genocide."
Standard fare, perhaps, for your garden-variety white supremacist Web
sites. But there's a twist.
The sentiment comes this time not from any neo-Nazi or Klan page, but
from the message board of La Voz de Aztlan, the racist and anti-
Semitic Web magazine of a tiny group of extremist Chicanos in Los
Angeles.
"Aztlan" is the mythical Aztec homeland that supposedly existed in
Mexico and the southwestern United States before the Spanish conquest
of 1519. And though La Voz's members number at most a dozen, they hope
to take the entire territory back.
Adopting pseudonyms like Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl, they have even
established a "provisional government," apparently anticipating chaos
after the coming revolution.
La Voz de Aztlan's articles go way, way past mainstream Latino
concerns, railing against "Nazi" Jews, "demonic" lesbians and "the Jew/
Gay Democratic Party." The site approvingly quotes ancient Aztec law,
requiring disembowelment for homosexuals.
It blames Jews for political problems in Los Angeles and even provides
the entire text of the infamous anti-Semitic forgery, Protocols of the
Elders of Zion. Worse, though, are the message boards.
"Kill any Raza [Latina] woman," writes one participant, "who mixes her
blood with either white trash or ... nigger scum."
When queried by the Intelligence Report, La Voz's editors denied any
anti-Semitism, writing anonymously via E-mail that they were not
endorsing the Protocols but offering them up for "analysis and
discussion only."
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Kill all the kikes, niggers, and fags -- Yep, a group after Hunter's
own heart.
dsharavi
Aug 6, 2012, 4:40:44 PM8/6/12
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On Aug 6, 12:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29 jul, 11:36, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 5:23 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> > > laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
>
> > Jeez, drahcir, don't you have anything better to do than ask Hunter
> > for his sources? You know he has none.
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Here's a perfectly reliable source:
> November 13, 2003
> The (Very) Few, the Proud
> Letter From Brentwood
> BY PHIL SHUMAN
Got anything more current than a letter from 2003?
> On 29 jul, 11:36, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 5:23 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> > > laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
>
> > Jeez, drahcir, don't you have anything better to do than ask Hunter
> > for his sources? You know he has none.
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Here's a perfectly reliable source:
> November 13, 2003
> The (Very) Few, the Proud
> Letter From Brentwood
> BY PHIL SHUMAN
> Phil Shuman is a reporter and substitute anchor for Fox 11 KTTV News.
> He is also hosts news programs for Channel 35's "L.A. Cityview."
than a FOX news reporter? Like maybe 2005?
1) Why do you think our percentage of the military has fallen off so
drastically?
2) What can we do about it, if we should even be concerned?
Sources:
http://www.jwv.org
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/123/story_12389_1.html
http://www.wfial.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=artGeneral.article_6
http://www.isteve.com/2003_Few_Atheists_In_U.S._Foxholes.htm
Shannon Rubin
Posted July 19, 2005 at 2:02 PM
This is a nice article, thank you for contributing it! I think the
decline may have something to do with where we are fighting. Last year
Jason posted a poll about claiming Judaism on your dog tags. The point
is that many are scared to be in the middle east with “Jew” on their
dog tags, so they may just refuse to admit it.
Taiyas
Posted July 20, 2005 at 1:32 AM
Funny thing about the Jewish Culture, a culture that values
education, laws, and open debates to an extensive degree. When settled
securely (no one has tried to kill them yet) in a meritocrocy, the
members of the Jewish Culture will thrive! Once the jewish families
thrive, and they are two generations removed from being the immigrants
in the ghetto, but are instead the bankers/lawyers/doctors/high class
members of society, they feel like all the other high class members of
society and no longer serve in the armed forces in great numbers. The
United States military is mostly formed of middle and lower class
citizens.
When the first jewish president of the US is introduced by his
mother, she’ll say, “This is my son… you know, the brother of the
doctor.”
-Taiyas
Joshua
Posted July 26, 2005 at 4:29 PM
Intresting article. I have been in the army for almost nine years.
Durring this time I have run into a fellow Jewish soldier from time to
time. However when I went to 3ID stationed out of Savannah GA is when
I started running into other Jewish Soldiers every time I turn around.
Most of us are officers, however there are some enlisted running
around as well.
Lt Rubin
Posted July 26, 2005 at 9:54 PM
The funny thing is that you often don’t know who is a Jew until
something comes up in conversation or at some Jewish event. I lived on
the same street as another Marine for several months and only found
out he is Jewish after I changed duty stations!
Joshua, I’d be curious to see what the ratio is of enlisted vs.
officer Jews. The officers are usually more visible (lay leaders,
etc.), but I’ve run into a significant number of enlisted Jews, both
in person and via this site. I was prior enlisted, so I guess I count
as both…
Rabbi Don Levy
Posted August 17, 2005 at 6:41 AM
I think that Jews in the military are more under-counted than
under-represented. I speak from 14 years enlisted service in the USN
and now over 9 years as a chaplain in the USAF. Many Jews prefer to
answer “no religious preference” when asked their religion for
statistical purposes. There are a number of reasons for this. Some
think that if they identify as Jews in this way, they will be forced
to carry dog tags that identify themselves as a Jew. (Not so; you can
put whatever religion you want – including none – on your dog tags,
and many Jews have two sets, one with “Jewish” and one for when
they’re in the Arab world with something else.) Others think that the
information will be used on some level to harass or single them out
for conversionary efforts by Christian chaplains. (I’ve never heard of
this happening, although I do use the lists to keep identified Jews
updated about what’s going on for them at the chapel.) The reasons
Steve Sailer of the UPI gives for the Jewish military “under-
representation” may be interesting reading and valid demographic
points, but I honestly think he’s trying to explain a phantom
phenomenon. Track down the hundreds of servicemembers at any base who
are listed on the alpha roster as “no religious preference,” and
you’ll meet far more than a smattering of Jews. Of course, these Jews
will never show up in stats kept by the Dod Manpower Data Center or
the Armed Forces Chaplains Board. I hope this is encouraging, and keep
up the good work all you Jewish warriors out there!
The Atheist Jew
Posted September 17, 2005 at 10:04 PM
I read a stat that stated that 50% of women in the Army are black.
That would mean white America is under represented. It is also true
that blacks and Hispanic Americans are very much over represented in
the Army as far as males go.
Bottom line, look no farther than socio economic reasons to be the
main reasons Jews are under represented. There is no draft, and the
Army offers a great place for discipline and gratis education.
Colonel (Ret.) Jeff Felder
Posted October 25, 2005 at 3:06 PM
I believe there is another reason which is true for others faiths
as well. That is, Jews tend to live in the major metropolitan areas of
the East and West, which are also under-represented in the military. I
doubt the data have been compiled, but my anecdotal experience is that
uniformed service is proportionately greater among Jews from the
Midwest and South, even among officers. I was something of an oddity
in the late 60s in Philadelphia, but that was not the case for friends
in those other parts of the country. On a more personal note,
Vandebilt AEPi sends officers nearly every year, and it is a very
small chapter.
bobbi
Posted October 26, 2005 at 3:26 AM
The British Army is under-represented also and it is mainly to do
with the parents wanting the “Lawyer/Doctor” thing. However, when im
in Iraq, I am Christian, and i have the dog tags to prove it! I dont
think its a denial of my faith, i think its pure common sense. Things
are bad enough over there and i dont need to make it worse!
Great article.
frank
Posted August 22, 2007 at 1:27 PM
What is an “atheist jew”?
dsharavi
Aug 6, 2012, 4:41:25 PM8/6/12
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HHW
Aug 6, 2012, 6:09:06 PM8/6/12
to
On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
opportunities. Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
region. There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our
support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes. Had there
been no 9/11 we would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, much less
struggled with the neocon fantasy of nation-building. Had it not been
for neoconservative, i.e., Zionist influence in the Bush
Administration combined with intense pressure from the Lobby and Ariel
Sharon's deceit in funneling false estimates past our intelligence
agencies straight to Zionists in the Pentagon and then straight to the
White House, it is very unlikely that the invasion of Iraq would have
been politically possible. We would neither have suffered tens of
thousands of casualties nor gone virtually bankrupt in the present
collapse.
So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
the specifically *Jewish* State. Whose wives and children are being
left fatherless or with a father whose life will never be the same?
Whose wives and children have fallen into the ranks of the poor in the
process?
Then come others, the brutal suppression of our Congress and the
menacing of any public servant or political leader who raises his head
and criticizes the Lobby and Israeli policy; the relentless espionage
against us; the brazen attacks upon us. But we need to keep them
separate so that they can be delineated with great clarity.
dsharavi
Aug 6, 2012, 6:28:49 PM8/6/12
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On Aug 6, 3:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> opportunities. Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
> offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> region. There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our
> support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
Twaddle. Run along, now, and join your goosestepping drinking buddies,
> On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> opportunities. Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
> offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> region. There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our
> support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
MacDonald, Irving, and Duke.
dsharavi
Aug 6, 2012, 6:25:47 PM8/6/12
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On Aug 6, 3:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> opportunities. Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
> offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> region. There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our
> support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
Twaddle. Now run along and join your goosestepping drinking buddies,
>
> > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> opportunities. Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
> offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> region. There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our
> support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
MacDonald, Irving, and Duke.
drahcir
Aug 6, 2012, 7:36:34 PM8/6/12
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On Aug 6, 6:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> opportunities.
Um, that sentence makes exactly zero sense. Par for the course for you
> On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> opportunities.
lately. You're gone, completely 100% out of your mind.
Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
> offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> region.
to anyone who actually matters.
There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our
> support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
one.
Had there
> been no 9/11 we would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, much less
> struggled with the neocon fantasy of nation-building. Had it not been
> for neoconservative, i.e., Zionist influence in the Bush
> Administration combined with intense pressure from the Lobby
believe that to be true.
and Ariel
> Sharon's deceit in funneling false estimates past our intelligence
> agencies straight to Zionists in the Pentagon and then straight to the
> White House, it is very unlikely that the invasion of Iraq would have
> been politically possible. We would neither have suffered tens of
> thousands of casualties nor gone virtually bankrupt in the present
> collapse.
false intelligence came AFTER it became clear that Bush was going to
finish what his father started. As was admitted by Mearsheimer on On
Point, Israel has always been more concerned with Iran. Anyone wishing
to view H's debate with me re Mearsheimer can do a groups search with
me as author for the word "ashbrook".
>
> So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
> se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
> the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
> the specifically *Jewish* State.
always been. It was deemed to be in american interests to invade Iraq.
Whether or not you or I might agree, that's the pretext under which it
was done. It has NOTHING to do with Israel. To think that you are so
far gone that you actually believe that Jewish future lawyers or
doctors or authors or businessmen should join the military because
YOU, some halfwit antisemitic, serial lying clown deems so on usenet,
is simply beyond laughable. You know what? I have way better things
than to read the rest of this ridiculous post. Buhbye.
HHW
Aug 7, 2012, 11:37:55 AM8/7/12
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On 28 jul, 22:17, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Answer the question. Are you still living at home with Mommie and
Daddy?
> On Jul 28, 10:07 pm,HHW<coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 28, 9:46 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 28, 9:46 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Daddy?
plainolamerican
Aug 7, 2012, 12:27:10 PM8/7/12
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of course ... they're loyal to israel first
HHW
Aug 7, 2012, 12:42:53 PM8/7/12
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On 6 ago, 15:40, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The British Army is under-represented also and it is mainly to do
> with the parents wanting the “Lawyer/Doctor” thing. However, when im
> in Iraq, I am Christian, and i have the dog tags to prove it! I dont
> think its a denial of my faith, i think its pure common sense. Things
> are bad enough over there and i dont need to make it worse!
So much for "undeclared" issue.
> The British Army is under-represented also and it is mainly to do
> with the parents wanting the “Lawyer/Doctor” thing. However, when im
> in Iraq, I am Christian, and i have the dog tags to prove it! I dont
> think its a denial of my faith, i think its pure common sense. Things
> are bad enough over there and i dont need to make it worse!
drahcir
Aug 7, 2012, 1:23:58 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Seems to me you've adopted the strategy of the best defense being a
good offense. Twofold problem: It won't work, and it's not a good
offense. You want to distract from the fact that you have no clue
whether the numbers come from the defense department. You failed.
wrote:
good offense. Twofold problem: It won't work, and it's not a good
offense. You want to distract from the fact that you have no clue
whether the numbers come from the defense department. You failed.
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 2:22:54 AM8/8/12
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On 6 ago, 18:36, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 6, 6:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> > What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> > issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> > in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> > opportunities.
>
> Um, that sentence makes exactly zero sense. Par for the course for you
> lately. You're gone, completely 100% out of your mind.
It makes perfect sense. You simply haven't the mental discipline to
> On Aug 6, 6:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> > What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> > issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> > in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> > opportunities.
>
> Um, that sentence makes exactly zero sense. Par for the course for you
> lately. You're gone, completely 100% out of your mind.
read three brief paragraphs in para materia. You have no experience
with rigorous analysis. You were a piano player. Here's a short cut
for you. I'll just move a paragraph up to help you understand:
> > So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
> > se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
> > the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
> > the specifically *Jewish* State.
>
> Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
>
> > offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> > had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> > dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> > region.
> That's according to you, some lunatic on usenet. That's not according
> to anyone who actually matters.
I matter to a small extent. A half dozen of you are deployed against
>
> > offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> > had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> > dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> > region.
> That's according to you, some lunatic on usenet. That's not according
> to anyone who actually matters.
me every day in a filthy effort to dominate this little part of the
dialogue on the nature of our relationship with Israel. I won't be
silenced. In fact I'm always on the offensive here. There are
thousands like me. They won't be silenced either.
You mouth-off without knowing what you're talking about constantly. I
swear you've done it literally hundreds of times. The off-shore policy
for the Middle-East is a tenet of the Realist School of foreign
policy. It's explained in "The Israel Lobby and American Foreign
Policy" by Mearsheimer & Walt. There is an excellent blog on the
subject which you might be able to find unless you're also club footed
and type with your toes anyway. You can also search the Foreign Policy
blog. What the hell was it that you substituted for a liberal
education, Ratner? Were you still snorting exotica as you admitted
doing in Southeast Asia?
> There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
> Until you go the last six syllables you actually had a point. A true
> one.
facts of the history.
> Had there
>
> > been no 9/11 we would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, much less
> > struggled with the neocon fantasy of nation-building. Had it not been
> > for neoconservative, i.e., Zionist influence in the Bush
> > Administration combined with intense pressure from the Lobby
and Ariel
> > Sharon's deceit in funneling false estimates past our intelligence
> > agencies straight to Zionists in the Pentagon and then straight to the
> > White House, it is very unlikely that the invasion of Iraq would have
> > been politically possible. We would neither have suffered tens of
> > thousands of casualties nor gone virtually bankrupt in the present
> > collapse.
> As I proved in our little On Point debate, even Mearsheimer doesn't
> believe that to be true.
You are flat-out dishonest, Ratner. You "proved" nothing there
> > Sharon's deceit in funneling false estimates past our intelligence
> > agencies straight to Zionists in the Pentagon and then straight to the
> > White House, it is very unlikely that the invasion of Iraq would have
> > been politically possible. We would neither have suffered tens of
> > thousands of casualties nor gone virtually bankrupt in the present
> > collapse.
> As I proved in our little On Point debate, even Mearsheimer doesn't
> believe that to be true.
whatever.
>
> H, sorry to say,
You're not a bit sorry to mislead the readers of these newsgroups. You
attempt it every day in every post.
this is yet more confusing reality with fantasy. The
> false intelligence came AFTER it became clear that Bush was going to
> finish what his father started.
qua non was the hoodwinking of the US Congress, the American people
and The United Nations with that false intelligence from our freaking
"ally" so as to accomplish the attack on Iraq POLITICALLY, so as to
get the resolutions which ostensibly authorized moving forward. When
our boneheaded President decided he would personally like to attack
Iraq is a totally different matter. Your Prime Minister in Israel gave
him the faked-in-Israel intelligence information which our
intelligence agencies would not, faked information that was trusted
and used in the Congress (under intense pressure from AIPAC) and then
more or less acquiesced to by UN. It was viewed with alarm in the
mainstream press, the vast bulk of which was and remains Jewish owned
or influenced. It could not have been done on George Bush's little
boy's fantasy wish to have his own splendid little war.Listen up,
Ratner: yellow cake from Niger; an active nuke program; secret
meetings between Hussein's agents and bin Laden's men in Central
Europe; mobile biological warfare cookers. All false. All mendacious.
The Lobby's pressure and these lies made it a foregone conclusion in
Congress. It was harder in the UN with that wonderful, contemptuous
French Foreign Minister, but something was cobbled together and only
THEN did George Bush have his neoconservative war in Iraq, his war to
improve Israel's "tough neighborhood". He was so eager to begin it
that he put Afghanistan on the back burner to seek the greater nation-
building glory first.
As was admitted by Mearsheimer on On
> Point, Israel has always been more concerned with Iran.
false. Iraq at the time of the first Gulf War was deemed Israel's
implacable and most dangerous enemy. We fought two wars for you in
Iraq, one in Afghanistan and now the Israeli and Neoconservative
Jewish whining for a war against Iran is deafening. Hell no, damn it!
Anyone wishing
> to view H's debate with me re Mearsheimer can do a groups search with
> me as author for the word "ashbrook".
preconceived presumption that Ratner can be trusted any more there
than he can be here this evening.
> > So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
> > se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
> > the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
> > the specifically *Jewish* State.
>
> Wrong. it's about who is bleeding for American interests, as it has
> always been.
agents in Central Europe, collusion between Hussein and bin
Laden.......The Oil Industry DID NOT lobby for war against Iraq. The
Israelis did, intensively and dishonesty.
It was deemed to be in american interests to invade Iraq.
deemed dominant.
> Whether or not you or I might agree, that's the pretext under which it
> was done.
And it was all lies. By the way, look up the slimy definitions of
pretext.
It has NOTHING to do with Israel.
was a pack of Israeli lies. What I'm saying is that the people who
perpetrated it should be in prison rather than struggling to push us
into another useless war for another country..
To think that you are so
> far gone that you actually believe that Jewish future lawyers or
> doctors or authors or businessmen should join the military because
> YOU, some halfwit antisemitic, serial lying clown deems so on usenet,
> is simply beyond laughable. You know what? I have way better things
> than to read the rest of this ridiculous post. Buhbye.
young American Jews. Of course not. Or by the Israelis either. No, no.
You're way above that. Just a few dozens of lying cables and some more
cunning pressure on our government, some more intimidation and
threats, and you can borrow OUR young men instead. There is one Jew in
the USMC per thousand men. That's one tenth of one percent. And we
still don't know how many of THEM serve in the combat related units.
You want the goyish reader to understand that it's perfectly fine,
perfectly normal, for the Israel Lobby, the Jewish neoconservatives
and Israel herself to drive us into ten years of war for Israel while
delicately declining to have their sons run any personal risks. "Who,
us, when an IED detonates, and an ambush opens, forced down into that
polluted roadside ditch with all that incoming fire from all those
savage, filthy, Muslim Afghans? Us? No, no, not even an RSVP. We'll
just bullshit them like the bitch sharavi does. They'll never figure
it out."
No non-Jew should bleed, suffer, be maimed or killed for Israel at
the DEMAND of Israel's illegal lobby, her neoconservative agents of
influence or a deceitful Prime MInister. And should there be any more
war in the region whatever, Jews must share the suffering at least pro
rata with no special treatment whatever. Conscription with no
loopholes whatever is the answer. Jewish and non-Jewish mothers must
have precisely the same interests regarding their sons.
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 2:25:21 AM8/8/12
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On 7 ago, 12:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
The numbers came from the Defense Department. I'm perfectly satisfied
as to that. If you aren't that's just too bad Dickie boy.
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
as to that. If you aren't that's just too bad Dickie boy.
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 4:04:01 AM8/8/12
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On 7 ago, 03:21, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> On Monday, August 6, 2012 10:54:46 PM UTC+3, HHW wrote:
>
> where did you HHW serve and for how long ?
> mirjam
I'll tell you a little extra in hopes you can come to understand
something of our culture, Mirjam:
On my mother's side there was a Captain Udall who served in George
Washington's Army during the Revolution. That branch of the family
were MA people more or less like Ratner.
I have several ancestors who served in the Union Army in the Civil War
of the 1860s They appear in uniform in the family albums.
My paternal grandfather served as an army officer in the Spanish
American War
My father served as a U.S. Navy gunnery officer in the Pacific from
early 1943 to the end of the war.
My maternal uncle served as an officer first in the Royal Canadian Air
Force and then transferred to the RAF in England where he served in
the Coastal Command mostly in Catalinas flying long-distance anti-U
Boat patrols covering the convoys of freighters running from the US to
England and to the Soviets at Murmansk in the Arctic.
A cousin on my mother's side spent the war as a civilian engineer in
China where he built the air bases used by Gen. Claire Chenault.
I served in the United States Marine Corps in the late 1950s. I went
through recruit training (boot camp) at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot
at San Diego and infantry training at Camp Pendleton, also in southern
California. I was sent to Sea School, back at MCRD in San Diego and
then was posted to the Marine Detachment on an aircraft carrier and
there received gunnery training on five inch thirty-eights and three
inch fifties. I served my complete enlistment plus six additional
years in the Marine Corps Reserve and received an honorable discharge.
I was on active duty and subject to call-up for a total of eight
years. For the last year of active duty I was the commanding officer's
orderly on the bridge of the U.S.S. Kearsarge, Carrier Vessel Attack,
No. 33 which has by now no doubt been turned into razor blades as she
had been built at the end of WWII.
My brother served during the Vietnam period as a Russian linguist in
the US Airforce where he did intelligence work on the Czech border and
then in Peshawar, West Pakistan, up on the Khyber Pass.
My cousin served in the US Navy in destroyers and did interesting but
undisclosed stuff of an intelligence nature. Since then he has worked
in Afghanistan.
Not one of these men was a military professional. They were civilians
in uniform. Most of them were officers. And in the 20th Century not a
one was drafted.
I tell you these things because I find Richard Ratner's attitude
toward military service in times of national difficulties to be deeply
cynical and offensive. There are other and more fitting American
traditions than his, traditions in which one may have legitimate
pride.
> On Monday, August 6, 2012 10:54:46 PM UTC+3, HHW wrote:
>
> where did you HHW serve and for how long ?
> mirjam
I'll tell you a little extra in hopes you can come to understand
something of our culture, Mirjam:
On my mother's side there was a Captain Udall who served in George
Washington's Army during the Revolution. That branch of the family
were MA people more or less like Ratner.
I have several ancestors who served in the Union Army in the Civil War
of the 1860s They appear in uniform in the family albums.
My paternal grandfather served as an army officer in the Spanish
American War
My father served as a U.S. Navy gunnery officer in the Pacific from
early 1943 to the end of the war.
My maternal uncle served as an officer first in the Royal Canadian Air
Force and then transferred to the RAF in England where he served in
the Coastal Command mostly in Catalinas flying long-distance anti-U
Boat patrols covering the convoys of freighters running from the US to
England and to the Soviets at Murmansk in the Arctic.
A cousin on my mother's side spent the war as a civilian engineer in
China where he built the air bases used by Gen. Claire Chenault.
I served in the United States Marine Corps in the late 1950s. I went
through recruit training (boot camp) at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot
at San Diego and infantry training at Camp Pendleton, also in southern
California. I was sent to Sea School, back at MCRD in San Diego and
then was posted to the Marine Detachment on an aircraft carrier and
there received gunnery training on five inch thirty-eights and three
inch fifties. I served my complete enlistment plus six additional
years in the Marine Corps Reserve and received an honorable discharge.
I was on active duty and subject to call-up for a total of eight
years. For the last year of active duty I was the commanding officer's
orderly on the bridge of the U.S.S. Kearsarge, Carrier Vessel Attack,
No. 33 which has by now no doubt been turned into razor blades as she
had been built at the end of WWII.
My brother served during the Vietnam period as a Russian linguist in
the US Airforce where he did intelligence work on the Czech border and
then in Peshawar, West Pakistan, up on the Khyber Pass.
My cousin served in the US Navy in destroyers and did interesting but
undisclosed stuff of an intelligence nature. Since then he has worked
in Afghanistan.
Not one of these men was a military professional. They were civilians
in uniform. Most of them were officers. And in the 20th Century not a
one was drafted.
I tell you these things because I find Richard Ratner's attitude
toward military service in times of national difficulties to be deeply
cynical and offensive. There are other and more fitting American
traditions than his, traditions in which one may have legitimate
pride.
dsharavi
Aug 8, 2012, 7:19:54 AM8/8/12
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On Aug 8, 1:04 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 7 ago, 03:21, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> > On Monday, August 6, 2012 10:54:46 PM UTC+3, HHW wrote:
> > where did you HHW serve and for how long ?
> > mirjam
>
> I'll tell you a little extra in hopes you can come to understand
> something of our culture, Mirjam:
>
> On my mother's side there was a Captain Udall who served in George
> Washington's Army during the Revolution. That branch of the family
> were MA people more or less like Ratner.
>
> I have several ancestors who served in the Union Army in the Civil War
> of the 1860s They appear in uniform in the family albums.
In HD photos, no doubt. Alas, I have no photos of my ancestor who was
> On 7 ago, 03:21, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
> > On Monday, August 6, 2012 10:54:46 PM UTC+3, HHW wrote:
> > where did you HHW serve and for how long ?
> > mirjam
>
> I'll tell you a little extra in hopes you can come to understand
> something of our culture, Mirjam:
>
> On my mother's side there was a Captain Udall who served in George
> Washington's Army during the Revolution. That branch of the family
> were MA people more or less like Ratner.
>
> I have several ancestors who served in the Union Army in the Civil War
> of the 1860s They appear in uniform in the family albums.
dapifer to the Archbishop of Dol.
> My paternal grandfather served as an army officer in the Spanish
> American War
> My father served as a U.S. Navy gunnery officer
I have several ancestors who served at Hastings, others who survived
the Trail of Tears, and still others who were twysogion Cymru -- not
that this last is anything remarkable, lol.
dsharavi
Aug 8, 2012, 7:20:57 AM8/8/12
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On Aug 7, 8:37 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Answer the question. Are you still living at home with Mommie and
> Daddy?
Are you?
> Answer the question. Are you still living at home with Mommie and
> Daddy?
dsharavi
Aug 8, 2012, 7:39:32 AM8/8/12
to
fantasy world, and he's satisfied.
drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 8:21:53 AM8/8/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:25:21 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Nobody gives a shit during a debate what you are perfectly satisfied
by, you imbecile. Either you can prove your source or you can't. If
you can't, it's not acceptable. MORON.
wrote:
by, you imbecile. Either you can prove your source or you can't. If
you can't, it's not acceptable. MORON.
drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 8:56:28 AM8/8/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:22:54 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On 6 ago, 18:36, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 6, 6:09�pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
>> > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
>> > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>>
>> > What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
>> > issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
>> > in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
>> > opportunities.
>>
>> Um, that sentence makes exactly zero sense. Par for the course for you
>> lately. You're gone, completely 100% out of your mind.
>
>It makes perfect sense.
Oh, really? Well, please explain it to me. First of all, what is the
meaning of "attempt mask the issue"? Second, my point is farily
obvious to all non-creitns, which is that in a voluteer army, those
with better opportunities do not join. You write "our embroilment
(wrong word) in the middle east has nothing to do with job
opportunities". That simply makes no sense, since I didn't say that
our "embroilmen" has anything to do with job opportunities. I said job
opportunities determine who enlists. Get it now, or do you need
further assistance?
You simply haven't the mental discipline to
>read three brief paragraphs in para materia. You have no experience
>with rigorous analysis. You were a piano player. Here's a short cut
>for you. I'll just move a paragraph up to help you understand:
>
>> > So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
>> > se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
>> > the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
>> > the specifically *Jewish* State.
Thanks. That makes nos ense either. You are simply out of your mind.
that's the only explanation that makes sense
amtter at all.
A half dozen of you are deployed against
>me every day in a filthy effort
H, get a grip. It's just entertainment for us.
Too much HHWBabble below to reply to. I'll skip down.
to dominate this little part of the
>dialogue on the nature of our relationship with Israel. I won't be
>silenced. In fact I'm always on the offensive here. There are
>thousands like me. They won't be silenced either.
>
>You mouth-off without knowing what you're talking about constantly. I
>swear you've done it literally hundreds of times. The off-shore policy
>for the Middle-East is a tenet of the Realist School of foreign
>policy. It's explained in "The Israel Lobby and American Foreign
>Policy" by Mearsheimer & Walt. There is an excellent blog on the
>subject which you might be able to find unless you're also club footed
>and type with your toes anyway. You can also search the Foreign Policy
>blog. What the hell was it that you substituted for a liberal
>education, Ratner? Were you still snorting exotica as you admitted
>doing in Southeast Asia?
>
>> There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
>
>> Until you go the last six syllables you actually had a point. A true
>> one.
>
>Absolutely obfuscatory. You can't bear to acknowledge the most basic
>facts of the history.
How would you know about facts, H? You haven't read even one book that
contains any.
Ashbrook: The argument�s been made that Iran is Israel�s greater
fear, so if the Israel Lobby were so powerful, why would the US have
gone into Iraq? That�s not the number one Israeli concern. Is there a
contradiction then John, in you having described Iraq as the result of
Israeli lobby influence?
Mearsheimer: No, Tom. It�s quite clear that in early 2002 � now
remember we went into Iraq in March 2003. In early 2002 when the
Israelis caught wind of the fact that we were seriously thinking about
doing Iraq, that they came to Washington and told us that they would
prefer that we do Iran first. The Israelis very clearly thought that
Iran was a greater threat than Iraq. It�s not that they were
uninterested in having us effect regime change in Iraq and Syria, it�s
just that they preferred Iran.
But once they came to understand that Iraq would be the first
operation, and we would subsequently deal with Iran and Syria, they
embraced the idea of attacking Iraq, although they continually
reminded us that we had to do Iran and Syria afterwards.
So what you see from early 2002 up until the war starts in March
2003 is that the Israelis are pushing us very hard, harder than other
country outside the United States, to go to war against Saddam
Hussein.
https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/msg/d152a5d072466f75?hl=en
Otherwise, they're bullshit at best, lies at worst.
on his meaningless tongue-wagging to try to distract from that. You're
such a predictable bore.
>You consciously mislead. It's ingrained in your very nature. The sine
>qua non was the hoodwinking of the US Congress, the American people
>and The United Nations with that false intelligence from our freaking
>"ally" so as to accomplish the attack on Iraq POLITICALLY, so as to
>get the resolutions which ostensibly authorized moving forward. When
>our boneheaded President decided he would personally like to attack
>Iraq is a totally different matter. Your Prime Minister in Israel gave
>him the faked-in-Israel intelligence information which our
>intelligence agencies would not, faked information that was trusted
>and used in the Congress (under intense pressure from AIPAC) and then
>more or less acquiesced to by UN. It was viewed with alarm in the
>mainstream press, the vast bulk of which was and remains Jewish owned
>or influenced. It could not have been done on George Bush's little
>boy's fantasy wish to have his own splendid little war.Listen up,
>Ratner: yellow cake from Niger; an active nuke program; secret
>meetings between Hussein's agents and bin Laden's men in Central
>Europe; mobile biological warfare cookers. All false. All mendacious.
>The Lobby's pressure and these lies made it a foregone conclusion in
>Congress. It was harder in the UN with that wonderful, contemptuous
>French Foreign Minister, but something was cobbled together and only
>THEN did George Bush have his neoconservative war in Iraq, his war to
>improve Israel's "tough neighborhood". He was so eager to begin it
>that he put Afghanistan on the back burner to seek the greater nation-
>building glory first.
From the Senate Intelligencer committee report:
"Before taking the country to war, this Administration owed it to the
American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the
threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that the
Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the
intelligence," Rockefeller said in a statement provided to The
Huffington Post.
"In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented
intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated,
contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people
were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than
actually existed. ... There is no question we all relied on flawed
intelligence. But, there is a fundamental difference between relying
on incorrect intelligence and deliberately painting a picture to the
American people that you know is not fully accurate."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/divided-senate-committee_n_105374.html
The truth is that Bush used wrong intelligence from myriad sources as
a pretext for war. You want to blame Israel because you're an
antisemitic pig, nothing more.
> As was admitted by Mearsheimer on On
>> Point, Israel has always been more concerned with Iran.
>
>I don't recall precisely what Mearsheimer said
It's now there for you to refresh your memory.
but that's objectively
>false.
According to you, an antisemitic, loony pig on usenet, not to
Mearsheimer.
Iraq at the time of the first Gulf War was deemed Israel's
>implacable and most dangerous enemy.
"Was deemed"? By whom? Cite or fuck off.
We fought two wars for you in
>Iraq, one in Afghanistan
Yes, Afghanistan is a very dangerous enemy of Israel.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
and now the Israeli and Neoconservative
>Jewish whining for a war against Iran is deafening. Hell no, damn it!
>
>
>Anyone wishing
>> to view H's debate with me re Mearsheimer can do a groups search with
>> me as author for the word "ashbrook".
>
>Just commit yourselves to reading it all the way through without any
>preconceived presumption that Ratner can be trusted any more there
>than he can be here this evening.
H, let me remind you, all you have to do is prove ONE INSTANCE of my
having lied in this group and I will leave. On the other hand, I have
proven you a liar on numerous occasions, proofs you have tried to and
cannot refute.
>
>> > So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
>> > se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
>> > the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
>> > the specifically *Jewish* State.
>>
>> Wrong. it's about who is bleeding for American interests, as it has
>> always been.
>
>Niger, yellow cake, bio warfare cookers, meetings with bin Laden
>agents in Central Europe, collusion between Hussein and bin
>Laden.......The Oil Industry DID NOT lobby for war against Iraq. The
>Israelis did, intensively and dishonesty.
See above, pig. You're in lala land of unsupported bullshit.
>
> It was deemed to be in american interests to invade Iraq.
>
>"Deemed" was it? On what basis, Ratner. What American interests were
>deemed dominant.
Fuck off, H. Go to wikipedia if you're such an ignoramus.
ISRAEL? Are you friggin that far gon? You tell me, you pig, what
happens if I ask you to prove that? You run away as fast as you can,
that's what.
>And it was all lies. By the way, look up the slimy definitions of
>pretext.
I don't have to, H. Unlike you, I am aware of the meanings of words I
use.
>
>It has NOTHING to do with Israel.
>
>You, yourself, used the term false intelligence. You've admitted it
>was a pack of Israeli lies.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH. How can I express to you what a fucking
idiot you are. IT DOESN'T maTTER WHAT I ADMIT. THE SENATE INTEL
COMMITTEE RESEARCHED IT AND THAT WAS THEIR CONCLUSION!!!!!!
What a MORON you are!!!
What I'm saying is that the people who
>perpetrated it should be in prison
I AGREE. The below is an antisemitic ignoramus's hallucination.
rather than struggling to push us
>into another useless war for another country..
>
> To think that you are so
>> far gone that you actually believe that Jewish future lawyers or
>> doctors or authors or businessmen should join the military because
>> YOU, some halfwit antisemitic, serial lying clown deems so on usenet,
>> is simply beyond laughable. You know what? I have way better things
>> than to read the rest of this ridiculous post. Buhbye.
>
The below is the rambling bullshit of a senite, obsessed antisemite
that simply does not addrses my simple point above. No need to reply.
wrote:
>On 6 ago, 18:36, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 6, 6:09�pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
>> > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
>> > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>>
>> > What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
>> > issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
>> > in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
>> > opportunities.
>>
>> Um, that sentence makes exactly zero sense. Par for the course for you
>> lately. You're gone, completely 100% out of your mind.
>
>It makes perfect sense.
meaning of "attempt mask the issue"? Second, my point is farily
obvious to all non-creitns, which is that in a voluteer army, those
with better opportunities do not join. You write "our embroilment
(wrong word) in the middle east has nothing to do with job
opportunities". That simply makes no sense, since I didn't say that
our "embroilmen" has anything to do with job opportunities. I said job
opportunities determine who enlists. Get it now, or do you need
further assistance?
You simply haven't the mental discipline to
>read three brief paragraphs in para materia. You have no experience
>with rigorous analysis. You were a piano player. Here's a short cut
>for you. I'll just move a paragraph up to help you understand:
>
>> > So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
>> > se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
>> > the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
>> > the specifically *Jewish* State.
that's the only explanation that makes sense
>
>
>
>>
>> Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
>>
>> > offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
>> > had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
>> > dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
>> > region.
>
>> That's according to you, some lunatic on usenet. That's not according
>> to anyone who actually matters.
>
>I matter to a small extent.
nope. not even to a minuscule extent. You're a loon - loons don't
>
>
>>
>> Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
>>
>> > offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
>> > had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
>> > dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
>> > region.
>
>> That's according to you, some lunatic on usenet. That's not according
>> to anyone who actually matters.
>
>I matter to a small extent.
amtter at all.
A half dozen of you are deployed against
>me every day in a filthy effort
Too much HHWBabble below to reply to. I'll skip down.
to dominate this little part of the
>dialogue on the nature of our relationship with Israel. I won't be
>silenced. In fact I'm always on the offensive here. There are
>thousands like me. They won't be silenced either.
>
>You mouth-off without knowing what you're talking about constantly. I
>swear you've done it literally hundreds of times. The off-shore policy
>for the Middle-East is a tenet of the Realist School of foreign
>policy. It's explained in "The Israel Lobby and American Foreign
>Policy" by Mearsheimer & Walt. There is an excellent blog on the
>subject which you might be able to find unless you're also club footed
>and type with your toes anyway. You can also search the Foreign Policy
>blog. What the hell was it that you substituted for a liberal
>education, Ratner? Were you still snorting exotica as you admitted
>doing in Southeast Asia?
>
>> There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
>
>> Until you go the last six syllables you actually had a point. A true
>> one.
>
>Absolutely obfuscatory. You can't bear to acknowledge the most basic
>facts of the history.
contains any.
>
>
>
>> Had there
>>
>> > been no 9/11 we would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, much less
>> > struggled with the neocon fantasy of nation-building. Had it not been
>> > for neoconservative, i.e., Zionist influence in the Bush
>> > Administration combined with intense pressure from the Lobby
>and Ariel
>> > Sharon's deceit in funneling false estimates past our intelligence
>> > agencies straight to Zionists in the Pentagon and then straight to the
>> > White House, it is very unlikely that the invasion of Iraq would have
>> > been politically possible. We would neither have suffered tens of
>> > thousands of casualties nor gone virtually bankrupt in the present
>> > collapse.
>
>> As I proved in our little On Point debate, even Mearsheimer doesn't
>> believe that to be true.
>
>You are flat-out dishonest, Ratner. You "proved" nothing there
>whatever.
You're a liar, H. Here's the proof:
>
>
>> Had there
>>
>> > been no 9/11 we would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, much less
>> > struggled with the neocon fantasy of nation-building. Had it not been
>> > for neoconservative, i.e., Zionist influence in the Bush
>> > Administration combined with intense pressure from the Lobby
>and Ariel
>> > Sharon's deceit in funneling false estimates past our intelligence
>> > agencies straight to Zionists in the Pentagon and then straight to the
>> > White House, it is very unlikely that the invasion of Iraq would have
>> > been politically possible. We would neither have suffered tens of
>> > thousands of casualties nor gone virtually bankrupt in the present
>> > collapse.
>
>> As I proved in our little On Point debate, even Mearsheimer doesn't
>> believe that to be true.
>
>You are flat-out dishonest, Ratner. You "proved" nothing there
>whatever.
Ashbrook: The argument�s been made that Iran is Israel�s greater
fear, so if the Israel Lobby were so powerful, why would the US have
gone into Iraq? That�s not the number one Israeli concern. Is there a
contradiction then John, in you having described Iraq as the result of
Israeli lobby influence?
Mearsheimer: No, Tom. It�s quite clear that in early 2002 � now
remember we went into Iraq in March 2003. In early 2002 when the
Israelis caught wind of the fact that we were seriously thinking about
doing Iraq, that they came to Washington and told us that they would
prefer that we do Iran first. The Israelis very clearly thought that
Iran was a greater threat than Iraq. It�s not that they were
uninterested in having us effect regime change in Iraq and Syria, it�s
just that they preferred Iran.
But once they came to understand that Iraq would be the first
operation, and we would subsequently deal with Iran and Syria, they
embraced the idea of attacking Iraq, although they continually
reminded us that we had to do Iran and Syria afterwards.
So what you see from early 2002 up until the war starts in March
2003 is that the Israelis are pushing us very hard, harder than other
country outside the United States, to go to war against Saddam
Hussein.
https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/msg/d152a5d072466f75?hl=en
>>
>> H, sorry to say,
>
>You're not a bit sorry to mislead the readers of these newsgroups. You
>attempt it every day in every post.
You must prove your accusations, liar, just as I do with you.
>> H, sorry to say,
>
>You're not a bit sorry to mislead the readers of these newsgroups. You
>attempt it every day in every post.
Otherwise, they're bullshit at best, lies at worst.
>
> this is yet more confusing reality with fantasy. The
>> false intelligence came AFTER it became clear that Bush was going to
>> finish what his father started.
As one can see below, H of course knows I am right, so he's starting
> this is yet more confusing reality with fantasy. The
>> false intelligence came AFTER it became clear that Bush was going to
>> finish what his father started.
on his meaningless tongue-wagging to try to distract from that. You're
such a predictable bore.
>You consciously mislead. It's ingrained in your very nature. The sine
>qua non was the hoodwinking of the US Congress, the American people
>and The United Nations with that false intelligence from our freaking
>"ally" so as to accomplish the attack on Iraq POLITICALLY, so as to
>get the resolutions which ostensibly authorized moving forward. When
>our boneheaded President decided he would personally like to attack
>Iraq is a totally different matter. Your Prime Minister in Israel gave
>him the faked-in-Israel intelligence information which our
>intelligence agencies would not, faked information that was trusted
>and used in the Congress (under intense pressure from AIPAC) and then
>more or less acquiesced to by UN. It was viewed with alarm in the
>mainstream press, the vast bulk of which was and remains Jewish owned
>or influenced. It could not have been done on George Bush's little
>boy's fantasy wish to have his own splendid little war.Listen up,
>Ratner: yellow cake from Niger; an active nuke program; secret
>meetings between Hussein's agents and bin Laden's men in Central
>Europe; mobile biological warfare cookers. All false. All mendacious.
>The Lobby's pressure and these lies made it a foregone conclusion in
>Congress. It was harder in the UN with that wonderful, contemptuous
>French Foreign Minister, but something was cobbled together and only
>THEN did George Bush have his neoconservative war in Iraq, his war to
>improve Israel's "tough neighborhood". He was so eager to begin it
>that he put Afghanistan on the back burner to seek the greater nation-
>building glory first.
"Before taking the country to war, this Administration owed it to the
American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the
threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that the
Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the
intelligence," Rockefeller said in a statement provided to The
Huffington Post.
"In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented
intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated,
contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people
were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than
actually existed. ... There is no question we all relied on flawed
intelligence. But, there is a fundamental difference between relying
on incorrect intelligence and deliberately painting a picture to the
American people that you know is not fully accurate."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/divided-senate-committee_n_105374.html
The truth is that Bush used wrong intelligence from myriad sources as
a pretext for war. You want to blame Israel because you're an
antisemitic pig, nothing more.
> As was admitted by Mearsheimer on On
>> Point, Israel has always been more concerned with Iran.
>
>I don't recall precisely what Mearsheimer said
but that's objectively
>false.
Mearsheimer.
Iraq at the time of the first Gulf War was deemed Israel's
>implacable and most dangerous enemy.
We fought two wars for you in
>Iraq, one in Afghanistan
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
and now the Israeli and Neoconservative
>Jewish whining for a war against Iran is deafening. Hell no, damn it!
>
>
>Anyone wishing
>> to view H's debate with me re Mearsheimer can do a groups search with
>> me as author for the word "ashbrook".
>
>Just commit yourselves to reading it all the way through without any
>preconceived presumption that Ratner can be trusted any more there
>than he can be here this evening.
having lied in this group and I will leave. On the other hand, I have
proven you a liar on numerous occasions, proofs you have tried to and
cannot refute.
>
>> > So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
>> > se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
>> > the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
>> > the specifically *Jewish* State.
>>
>> Wrong. it's about who is bleeding for American interests, as it has
>> always been.
>
>Niger, yellow cake, bio warfare cookers, meetings with bin Laden
>agents in Central Europe, collusion between Hussein and bin
>Laden.......The Oil Industry DID NOT lobby for war against Iraq. The
>Israelis did, intensively and dishonesty.
>
> It was deemed to be in american interests to invade Iraq.
>
>"Deemed" was it? On what basis, Ratner. What American interests were
>deemed dominant.
>
>
>> Whether or not you or I might agree, that's the pretext under which it
>> was done.
>
>Idiot! PRETEXT, indeed! The pretext was "weapons of mass destruction".
Right. Are you claiming that all false intel about WMD came from
>
>> Whether or not you or I might agree, that's the pretext under which it
>> was done.
>
>Idiot! PRETEXT, indeed! The pretext was "weapons of mass destruction".
ISRAEL? Are you friggin that far gon? You tell me, you pig, what
happens if I ask you to prove that? You run away as fast as you can,
that's what.
>And it was all lies. By the way, look up the slimy definitions of
>pretext.
use.
>
>It has NOTHING to do with Israel.
>
>You, yourself, used the term false intelligence. You've admitted it
>was a pack of Israeli lies.
idiot you are. IT DOESN'T maTTER WHAT I ADMIT. THE SENATE INTEL
COMMITTEE RESEARCHED IT AND THAT WAS THEIR CONCLUSION!!!!!!
What a MORON you are!!!
What I'm saying is that the people who
>perpetrated it should be in prison
rather than struggling to push us
>into another useless war for another country..
>
> To think that you are so
>> far gone that you actually believe that Jewish future lawyers or
>> doctors or authors or businessmen should join the military because
>> YOU, some halfwit antisemitic, serial lying clown deems so on usenet,
>> is simply beyond laughable. You know what? I have way better things
>> than to read the rest of this ridiculous post. Buhbye.
>
that simply does not addrses my simple point above. No need to reply.
drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 9:15:22 AM8/8/12
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I omitted my commentary on the Mearsheimer quote from the linked-to
post. I think I'd like to include it, as well as the rest of the post,
which is illustrative of what a liar and little shit H is:
Here is the transcript of part of the interview from CAMERA. (Although
the liar HHW claimed that he had seen transcripts on the On Point
website, a person at WBUR, which produces On Point, told me that they
never do transcripts - too expensive.)
Oh, I just love reading that last sentence. Picture it. The words from
his next to last sentence are streaming from his mouth, and suddenly M
panics. Poor M's heart is beating at 120 - he just realized that he
completely contradicted a basic premise of his book. (When I again
listened to the interview with the volume up, at this very moment a
dull "thunk" could be heard. I believe this was walt kicking mears
under the table. Just kidding) The last sentence is so precious - of
course it is completely disassociated from and contradictory to the
previous things he has just said LIVE ON THE AIR! I love watching
pieces of shit squirm!
Oh, while we are on the topic of pieces of shit squirming, I think all
good people owe H a debt of gratitude. When he absurdly thought he had
gotten off the hook in this debate because the link from CAMERA that I
had been referring him to for months had gone dead, he gloatingly told
me about this, probably about 5 or six times in one of his posts. I
called WBUR and not only got the new link, to which I immediately
referred him, but told them that the M & W interview was linked to all
over the web, and I suggested that they create an internal link from
the old to the new, an idea that the nice fellow at WBUR thought was
"an excellent suggestion". Well, I just checked and guess what! Thanks
to you, H, the CAMERA links, and presumably those from all the other
websites that link to this very special Ashbrook interview, are now
functioning again! Israel supporters everywhere owe you a debt of
gratitude. Allow me to be the first to offer you my heartfelt thanks!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/msg/d152a5d072466f75?hl=en
post. I think I'd like to include it, as well as the rest of the post,
which is illustrative of what a liar and little shit H is:
Here is the transcript of part of the interview from CAMERA. (Although
the liar HHW claimed that he had seen transcripts on the On Point
website, a person at WBUR, which produces On Point, told me that they
never do transcripts - too expensive.)
Ashbrook: The argument’s been made that Iran is Israel’s greater
fear, so if the Israel Lobby were so powerful, why would the US have
gone into Iraq? That’s not the number one Israeli concern. Is there a
contradiction then John, in you having described Iraq as the result of
Israeli lobby influence?
Mearsheimer: No, Tom. It’s quite clear that in early 2002 – now
remember we went into Iraq in March 2003. In early 2002 when the
Israelis caught wind of the fact that we were seriously thinking about
doing Iraq, that they came to Washington and told us that they would
prefer that we do Iran first. The Israelis very clearly thought that
Iran was a greater threat than Iraq. It’s not that they were
uninterested in having us effect regime change in Iraq and Syria, it’s
just that they preferred Iran.
But once they came to understand that Iraq would be the first
operation, and we would subsequently deal with Iran and Syria, they
embraced the idea of attacking Iraq, although they continually
reminded us that we had to do Iran and Syria afterwards.
So what you see from early 2002 up until the war starts in March
2003 is that the Israelis are pushing us very hard, harder than other
country outside the United States, to go to war against Saddam
Hussein.
*******************
fear, so if the Israel Lobby were so powerful, why would the US have
gone into Iraq? That’s not the number one Israeli concern. Is there a
contradiction then John, in you having described Iraq as the result of
Israeli lobby influence?
Mearsheimer: No, Tom. It’s quite clear that in early 2002 – now
remember we went into Iraq in March 2003. In early 2002 when the
Israelis caught wind of the fact that we were seriously thinking about
doing Iraq, that they came to Washington and told us that they would
prefer that we do Iran first. The Israelis very clearly thought that
Iran was a greater threat than Iraq. It’s not that they were
uninterested in having us effect regime change in Iraq and Syria, it’s
just that they preferred Iran.
But once they came to understand that Iraq would be the first
operation, and we would subsequently deal with Iran and Syria, they
embraced the idea of attacking Iraq, although they continually
reminded us that we had to do Iran and Syria afterwards.
So what you see from early 2002 up until the war starts in March
2003 is that the Israelis are pushing us very hard, harder than other
country outside the United States, to go to war against Saddam
Hussein.
Oh, I just love reading that last sentence. Picture it. The words from
his next to last sentence are streaming from his mouth, and suddenly M
panics. Poor M's heart is beating at 120 - he just realized that he
completely contradicted a basic premise of his book. (When I again
listened to the interview with the volume up, at this very moment a
dull "thunk" could be heard. I believe this was walt kicking mears
under the table. Just kidding) The last sentence is so precious - of
course it is completely disassociated from and contradictory to the
previous things he has just said LIVE ON THE AIR! I love watching
pieces of shit squirm!
Oh, while we are on the topic of pieces of shit squirming, I think all
good people owe H a debt of gratitude. When he absurdly thought he had
gotten off the hook in this debate because the link from CAMERA that I
had been referring him to for months had gone dead, he gloatingly told
me about this, probably about 5 or six times in one of his posts. I
called WBUR and not only got the new link, to which I immediately
referred him, but told them that the M & W interview was linked to all
over the web, and I suggested that they create an internal link from
the old to the new, an idea that the nice fellow at WBUR thought was
"an excellent suggestion". Well, I just checked and guess what! Thanks
to you, H, the CAMERA links, and presumably those from all the other
websites that link to this very special Ashbrook interview, are now
functioning again! Israel supporters everywhere owe you a debt of
gratitude. Allow me to be the first to offer you my heartfelt thanks!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/msg/d152a5d072466f75?hl=en
Tell it like it is.
Aug 8, 2012, 10:21:21 AM8/8/12
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Just to keep Cazador's topic in focus before Drahcir and
Sharavi, the resident responder's to H's posts, (the proud Muslim-
hating, Christ-hating ethnocentrics), go out off focus as usual with
ad hominems,
H's statement that 20% of our U.S. military is HISPANIC; and, I'd like
to add, the fact that, not a few of them, have been promised U.S.
CITIZENSHIP if they survive their "tour of duty" in a COMBAT ZONE
being "all they can be".
Hell, if I were Hispanic-American, LIKE MY BROTHER-IN-LAW WHOSE
PARENTS ARE FROM CASTILE, SPAIN I'd figure my brave illegal serving
OPENLY , though not gay, being illegal aliens, openly, otherwise
called MERCENARY TROOPS, who cut a deal with the USA (and Janet N. in
HOMELAND SECURITY, ) compagneros in COMBAT IN AFGHANISTAN, have earned
U.S. citizenship for ALL HISPANICS. Everywhere -they so f.... brave.
Christ it's disgusting. So how do we keep fighting in the Middle
East. Easy, we give "citizenship, to FOREIGH MERCENARIES. Only
hispanic? Ask Janet.
Jewish American and U.S. Ambassador Holbrook's
last words were "We've got to get out of AFGHANISTAN."
So, Chertoff as Homeland Security Tzar wasn't
trying to end the hispanic illegal immigration with a policy in place
like dat! His current replacement in that AMERICAN department, Janet
Napolitano, is continuing Chertoff's initial UN-AMERICAN POLICY of
promoting and denying, at one and the same time ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
FROM MEXICO.
We haven't got one decent U.S. Ambassador.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 8, 2012, 10:48:35 AM8/8/12
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Homeland security!
Tell it like it is.
Aug 8, 2012, 12:30:45 PM8/8/12
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"Bring Our Troops Home.
Put Them On The Mexican Border."
You won't find that bumper sticker for sale at these websites:
http://www.adl.org
http://aipac.org
while we defend the Middle East:
I watched a rabid Muslim cleric promoting Shariah Law on television.
Like a good Zionist promoting his Zionism
I can now understand zionism's fear of shariah law.
As a Christian, I can tell you they are nuts!
In other words, they are politically correct. That's called
ethnocentricism.
That's why that guy in Tucson, Arizona shot those people. The
victimized Congress woman had said the USA is a nation that believes
in religious tolerance. She's right as every American will agree.
Now I'm going to write what she didn't say:
Religious tolerance does not mean a coercive brand of zionism or a
fanatical, intolerant shariah law disrupting the peace of a nation not
founded by ethnocentrics ( feuding jews and muslims) disrupting the
peace of the world in the name of theocratic insanity..
drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 12:49:07 PM8/8/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:25:21 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Let me put it to you another way. My sources say the DoD states that
our armed forces are 98.6% Jewish. There, see how prevalent Jews are
in the military. I've got as much evidence to support me as you do.
You're a friggin imbecile.
wrote:
our armed forces are 98.6% Jewish. There, see how prevalent Jews are
in the military. I've got as much evidence to support me as you do.
You're a friggin imbecile.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 8, 2012, 12:38:53 PM8/8/12
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generation passes away to be replaced by another. So I wanted for some
time to understand the current generation coming of age. While
watching C-span one evening I saw an interviewer interviewing an
attractive and healthy young woman who works as a reporter for a
website put together by Tucker Carlson and two others.
Older folks understand history and the events of
history which we've witnessed in our time. She took it for granted
that nothing is written without a bias of ignorance. Naturally
promoting one side only. The author's.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 8, 2012, 1:49:48 PM8/8/12
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Tell it like it is.
Aug 8, 2012, 2:20:16 PM8/8/12
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On Aug 8, 1:49 pm, "Tell it like it is."
Older folks understand history, and the events of
history, which we've witnessed in our time. She took it for granted
Carter, promoting Hamas [any person or group of persons criticising
Israel are quickly labeled a terrorist since Israel believes they hold
a monopoly on that activity]., It is those of us who are older to
understand Jimmy Carter and it is our responsibility to remind the
young and ignorant, who believe it is di riguer to be biased, that
Jimmy Carter wrote a book titled "Peace not Apartheid".
Also there is more similarity than you would
think beteewn Jimmy Carter and Nelson Mandella and Hamas. Nelson
Mandella was rounded up and imprisoned by the British. We all know
today that Nelson Mandella isn't a criminal. So it would seem
reasonable that in the face of apartheid in Palestine and native
citizens being squeezed off their own land by "illegal settlements" in
Palestine. That, in time, Hamas like Nelso Mandellla arrested by
South African British apartheid policy,Hamas, winners of a democratic
election in theocratic Palestine were arrested by Israel for the crime
of winning an election in Palestine. There might be some similarity.
history, which we've witnessed in our time. She took it for granted
that nothing is written without a bias of ignorance. Naturally
promoting one side only. The author's.
http://dailycaller.com
In the article at the website, about Jimmy
promoting one side only. The author's.
http://dailycaller.com
Carter, promoting Hamas [any person or group of persons criticising
Israel are quickly labeled a terrorist since Israel believes they hold
a monopoly on that activity]., It is those of us who are older to
understand Jimmy Carter and it is our responsibility to remind the
young and ignorant, who believe it is di riguer to be biased, that
Jimmy Carter wrote a book titled "Peace not Apartheid".
Also there is more similarity than you would
think beteewn Jimmy Carter and Nelson Mandella and Hamas. Nelson
Mandella was rounded up and imprisoned by the British. We all know
today that Nelson Mandella isn't a criminal. So it would seem
reasonable that in the face of apartheid in Palestine and native
citizens being squeezed off their own land by "illegal settlements" in
Palestine. That, in time, Hamas like Nelso Mandellla arrested by
South African British apartheid policy,Hamas, winners of a democratic
election in theocratic Palestine were arrested by Israel for the crime
of winning an election in Palestine. There might be some similarity.
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 4:29:47 PM8/8/12
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On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
You defame almost without exception any author I cite. Why should I
give you any easy opportunty to do that? At least I can make you have
to dig around for it. It's a positive value to keep your blood
pressure elevated.
> It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either.
Precisely, and it's very unlikely that you do doubt it, reason or not.
Neither does Joe Bruno.
As I
> said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
Apparently Jews as an "out group" may well have more attractive
options. You raise the subject so I'll provide you with a response:
Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Christopher Donovan on February 28, 2011 — 41 Comments
Joseph Flom, a name partner of the massive law firm Skadden, Arps,
Slate, Meagher & Flom, died recently. Flom fit perfectly a certain
Jewish stereotype—rising to the top with a powerful combination of
intelligence, interpersonal aggression, and lack of a moral sense. He
was “a lawyer whose expertise and ruthlessness in corporate mergers
and acquisitions reshaped America’s business landscape during the
1980s.” He “relished his reputation as a street fighter willing to go
to any length to win. [He had the] habit of jabbing a cigar “‘close to
the face of someone he was talking to, without apology’” (Washington
Post Obituary: “Corporate lawyer Joseph Flom transformed business
world with mergers, takeovers“).
He was not hired by New York City’s white shoe firms of an earlier
age, and probably never dropped the grudge. He joined a firm that was
soon taking on “dirty” business like hostile takeovers that were
shunned by other firms because such practices were seen as unethical:
“Firms and their chief executives who had inclined to be raiders but
had been inhibited by public censure from the business community now
became unrestrained.”
Joseph Flom and his partners got very rich doing this. With the
millions he made, he gave generously to Democrats and supported
efforts to boost minorities. This behavior reflects the left-liberal
values of the Jewish mainstream in America whose political behavior is
far more a function of Jewish identity politics than social class–Jews
as pioneers of the racialization of American politics. As the old
cliché has it, “Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto
Ricans.”
I note a few things. First, it’s unclear to me exactly what good this
character did for America. The business of mergers and acquisitions,
in my view, has only slight utility compared to the money to be
siphoned off the top. People at the bottom lose their jobs, while the
lords orchestrating the changes at the top get rich. I am sure that a
Chicago-school type could give us a defense of the practice as helping
to make business more efficient through “synergies”, but I remain
skeptical. It’s basically a power game played by those who can.
Better goods and services, the creation of wealth and jobs… all of
these things seem to me to be pretty remote from mergers and
acquisitions.
Second, I’m not sure how Joseph Flom qualifies as a good lawyer. He
basically inserted himself into the system as an opportunistic bully,
creating fear in his adversaries—so much so that, according to the
Washington Post obituary, he was often “bought off” by getting
handsome retainers by companies fearing potential takeover. This
sounds more like the tactics of a mobster than a lawyer (though I
realize many will say “there’s a difference”?).
Third, I see Flom as a great example of how Jews become successful in
any Western society: by achieving near-pathological levels of
disregard for the conventions of the society seen as an outgroup.
Like a pornographer, Flom found something that was publicly shunned by
society as immoral but was nevertheless quite lucrative, and he did
not hesitate to engage in it anyway. That was his “in”. Flom didn’t
hesitate to become a pornographer. His career path was enabled by his
Jewish “outsider” status and hostility toward our society.
The lesson for whites is to keep our eyes open for the Joseph Floms of
the world — and to ignore the praise heaped upon him by the fawning
elites.
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >Veterans Today
>
> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >American military.
>
> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >Veterans Today
>
> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >American military.
>
> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
You defame almost without exception any author I cite. Why should I
give you any easy opportunty to do that? At least I can make you have
to dig around for it. It's a positive value to keep your blood
pressure elevated.
> It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either.
Neither does Joe Bruno.
As I
> said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
Apparently Jews as an "out group" may well have more attractive
options. You raise the subject so I'll provide you with a response:
Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Christopher Donovan on February 28, 2011 — 41 Comments
Joseph Flom, a name partner of the massive law firm Skadden, Arps,
Slate, Meagher & Flom, died recently. Flom fit perfectly a certain
Jewish stereotype—rising to the top with a powerful combination of
intelligence, interpersonal aggression, and lack of a moral sense. He
was “a lawyer whose expertise and ruthlessness in corporate mergers
and acquisitions reshaped America’s business landscape during the
1980s.” He “relished his reputation as a street fighter willing to go
to any length to win. [He had the] habit of jabbing a cigar “‘close to
the face of someone he was talking to, without apology’” (Washington
Post Obituary: “Corporate lawyer Joseph Flom transformed business
world with mergers, takeovers“).
He was not hired by New York City’s white shoe firms of an earlier
age, and probably never dropped the grudge. He joined a firm that was
soon taking on “dirty” business like hostile takeovers that were
shunned by other firms because such practices were seen as unethical:
“Firms and their chief executives who had inclined to be raiders but
had been inhibited by public censure from the business community now
became unrestrained.”
Joseph Flom and his partners got very rich doing this. With the
millions he made, he gave generously to Democrats and supported
efforts to boost minorities. This behavior reflects the left-liberal
values of the Jewish mainstream in America whose political behavior is
far more a function of Jewish identity politics than social class–Jews
as pioneers of the racialization of American politics. As the old
cliché has it, “Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto
Ricans.”
I note a few things. First, it’s unclear to me exactly what good this
character did for America. The business of mergers and acquisitions,
in my view, has only slight utility compared to the money to be
siphoned off the top. People at the bottom lose their jobs, while the
lords orchestrating the changes at the top get rich. I am sure that a
Chicago-school type could give us a defense of the practice as helping
to make business more efficient through “synergies”, but I remain
skeptical. It’s basically a power game played by those who can.
Better goods and services, the creation of wealth and jobs… all of
these things seem to me to be pretty remote from mergers and
acquisitions.
Second, I’m not sure how Joseph Flom qualifies as a good lawyer. He
basically inserted himself into the system as an opportunistic bully,
creating fear in his adversaries—so much so that, according to the
Washington Post obituary, he was often “bought off” by getting
handsome retainers by companies fearing potential takeover. This
sounds more like the tactics of a mobster than a lawyer (though I
realize many will say “there’s a difference”?).
Third, I see Flom as a great example of how Jews become successful in
any Western society: by achieving near-pathological levels of
disregard for the conventions of the society seen as an outgroup.
Like a pornographer, Flom found something that was publicly shunned by
society as immoral but was nevertheless quite lucrative, and he did
not hesitate to engage in it anyway. That was his “in”. Flom didn’t
hesitate to become a pornographer. His career path was enabled by his
Jewish “outsider” status and hostility toward our society.
The lesson for whites is to keep our eyes open for the Joseph Floms of
the world — and to ignore the praise heaped upon him by the fawning
elites.
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 4:33:41 PM8/8/12
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On 29 jul, 08:32, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> service. You can place the cite right here:
Okay:
Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Christopher Donovan on February 28, 2011 — 41 Comments
Joseph Flom, a name partner of the massive law firm Skadden, Arps,
Slate, Meagher & Flom, died recently. Flom fit perfectly a certain
Jewish stereotype—rising to the top with a powerful combination of
intelligence, interpersonal aggression, and lack of a moral sense. He
was “a lawyer whose expertise and ruthlessness in corporate mergers
and acquisitions reshaped America’s business landscape during the
1980s.” He “relished his reputation as a street fighter willing to go
to any length to win. [He had the] habit of jabbing a cigar “‘close to
the face of someone he was talking to, without apology’” (Washington
Post Obituary: “Corporate lawyer Joseph Flom transformed business
world with mergers, takeovers“).
He was not hired by New York City’s white shoe firms of an earlier
age, and probably never dropped the grudge. He joined a firm that was
soon taking on “dirty” business like hostile takeovers that were
shunned by other firms because such practices were seen as unethical:
“Firms and their chief executives who had inclined to be raiders but
had been inhibited by public censure from the business community now
became unrestrained.”
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> I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> service. You can place the cite right here:
Okay:
Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Christopher Donovan on February 28, 2011 — 41 Comments
Joseph Flom, a name partner of the massive law firm Skadden, Arps,
Slate, Meagher & Flom, died recently. Flom fit perfectly a certain
Jewish stereotype—rising to the top with a powerful combination of
intelligence, interpersonal aggression, and lack of a moral sense. He
was “a lawyer whose expertise and ruthlessness in corporate mergers
and acquisitions reshaped America’s business landscape during the
1980s.” He “relished his reputation as a street fighter willing to go
to any length to win. [He had the] habit of jabbing a cigar “‘close to
the face of someone he was talking to, without apology’” (Washington
Post Obituary: “Corporate lawyer Joseph Flom transformed business
world with mergers, takeovers“).
He was not hired by New York City’s white shoe firms of an earlier
age, and probably never dropped the grudge. He joined a firm that was
soon taking on “dirty” business like hostile takeovers that were
shunned by other firms because such practices were seen as unethical:
“Firms and their chief executives who had inclined to be raiders but
had been inhibited by public censure from the business community now
became unrestrained.”
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 5:09:06 PM8/8/12
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On 29 jul, 11:35, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, yes they do.
Duff provides no cite to back up his claim, and a
> > rudimentary search of DoD's site shows *nothing* about the numbers of
> > Jews in active service.
Don't worry, it's just not on the website. Ratner doesn't worry. He's
proud of the fact that Jews very rarely serve their country in the
military, even when the prices they would be paying were primarily for
Israel.
> > Then I checked scholars.google.ca, their search site of research papers
> > and other studies. Nothing...Nada on the numbers of Jews serving in the
> > US military, it appears the DoD is totally silent on the matter.
You just haven't found it. Keep trying.
>
> > I also searched for numbers of Muslims serving in the american military,
> > once again DoD is totally silent, considering how much good the US has
> > done for muslims with their removal of the Taliban and Hussein, it's a
> > no brainer that the DoD would publish those numbers, but they don't.
What good has the USA done for Muslims? Kill a hundred thousand of
their civilians? Trash their countries? Disrespect their traditions?
Humiliate them in prisons? Just what Zionist "good" have we done for
them on behalf of Israel?
> > Hmmmm.....
>
> > Good luck!
>
> Hah. Hunter never cites his sources. It's because his sources embarass
> him.
I just explained it to Ratner. It's your Israel Lobby behavior which
is at the root of it.
Here's an interesting letter for you. It appears to reveal something
about your moral universe in contradistinction to ours. Perhaps there
is a kernel of something in here which *helps* us understand why 1.8%
of our population owns or controls 40% of our GNP? But then you'll be
aggrieved at the "stereotypical" part, eh? And proud of the cigar
image at the same time? There are apparently some actual reasons for
the existence of anti-Semitism? What do you think, Count? Could one of
them be a failure to conform to the dominant culture's business
ethics? Could it be that your righteous war against anti-Semitism is
actually a war to vindicate your right to refuse to conform?
Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Christopher Donovan on February 28, 2011 — 41 Comments
Joseph Flom, a name partner of the massive law firm Skadden, Arps,
Slate, Meagher & Flom, died recently. Flom fit perfectly a certain
Jewish stereotype—rising to the top with a powerful combination of
intelligence, interpersonal aggression, and lack of a moral sense. He
was “a lawyer whose expertise and ruthlessness in corporate mergers
and acquisitions reshaped America’s business landscape during the
1980s.” He “relished his reputation as a street fighter willing to go
to any length to win. [He had the] habit of jabbing a cigar “‘close to
the face of someone he was talking to, without apology’” (Washington
Post Obituary: “Corporate lawyer Joseph Flom transformed business
world with mergers, takeovers“).
He was not hired by New York City’s white shoe firms of an earlier
age, and probably never dropped the grudge. He joined a firm that was
soon taking on “dirty” business like hostile takeovers that were
shunned by other firms because such practices were seen as unethical:
“Firms and their chief executives who had inclined to be raiders but
had been inhibited by public censure from the business community now
became unrestrained.”
> On Jul 29, 6:32 am, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> > >> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> > >> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> > >> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> > >> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> > > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> > No they don't Hunter.
> > >> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> > >> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> > >> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> > >> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> > >> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> > > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
Oh, yes they do.
Duff provides no cite to back up his claim, and a
> > rudimentary search of DoD's site shows *nothing* about the numbers of
> > Jews in active service.
Don't worry, it's just not on the website. Ratner doesn't worry. He's
proud of the fact that Jews very rarely serve their country in the
military, even when the prices they would be paying were primarily for
Israel.
> > Then I checked scholars.google.ca, their search site of research papers
> > and other studies. Nothing...Nada on the numbers of Jews serving in the
> > US military, it appears the DoD is totally silent on the matter.
You just haven't found it. Keep trying.
>
> > I also searched for numbers of Muslims serving in the american military,
> > once again DoD is totally silent, considering how much good the US has
> > done for muslims with their removal of the Taliban and Hussein, it's a
> > no brainer that the DoD would publish those numbers, but they don't.
What good has the USA done for Muslims? Kill a hundred thousand of
their civilians? Trash their countries? Disrespect their traditions?
Humiliate them in prisons? Just what Zionist "good" have we done for
them on behalf of Israel?
> > Hmmmm.....
>
> > I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> > provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> > service. You can place the cite right here:
>
> > <insert cite>
> > I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> > provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> > service. You can place the cite right here:
>
>
> > Good luck!
>
> Hah. Hunter never cites his sources. It's because his sources embarass
> him.
I just explained it to Ratner. It's your Israel Lobby behavior which
is at the root of it.
Here's an interesting letter for you. It appears to reveal something
about your moral universe in contradistinction to ours. Perhaps there
is a kernel of something in here which *helps* us understand why 1.8%
of our population owns or controls 40% of our GNP? But then you'll be
aggrieved at the "stereotypical" part, eh? And proud of the cigar
image at the same time? There are apparently some actual reasons for
the existence of anti-Semitism? What do you think, Count? Could one of
them be a failure to conform to the dominant culture's business
ethics? Could it be that your righteous war against anti-Semitism is
actually a war to vindicate your right to refuse to conform?
Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Christopher Donovan on February 28, 2011 — 41 Comments
Joseph Flom, a name partner of the massive law firm Skadden, Arps,
Slate, Meagher & Flom, died recently. Flom fit perfectly a certain
Jewish stereotype—rising to the top with a powerful combination of
intelligence, interpersonal aggression, and lack of a moral sense. He
was “a lawyer whose expertise and ruthlessness in corporate mergers
and acquisitions reshaped America’s business landscape during the
1980s.” He “relished his reputation as a street fighter willing to go
to any length to win. [He had the] habit of jabbing a cigar “‘close to
the face of someone he was talking to, without apology’” (Washington
Post Obituary: “Corporate lawyer Joseph Flom transformed business
world with mergers, takeovers“).
He was not hired by New York City’s white shoe firms of an earlier
age, and probably never dropped the grudge. He joined a firm that was
soon taking on “dirty” business like hostile takeovers that were
shunned by other firms because such practices were seen as unethical:
“Firms and their chief executives who had inclined to be raiders but
had been inhibited by public censure from the business community now
became unrestrained.”
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 5:15:03 PM8/8/12
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On 29 jul, 11:36, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> for his sources? You know he has none.
This has a source. Why should I give it to you when you can easily
find it yourself? BTW I find the use of the word "whites" somehow
disconcerting. Can you help me understand why I'm made uncomfortable
by its use in this context? Perhaps it's because the word "power" so
often is associated with it and they are then associated with skin
heads, etc.?
Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Christopher Donovan on February 28, 2011 — 41 Comments
Joseph Flom, a name partner of the massive law firm Skadden, Arps,
Slate, Meagher & Flom, died recently. Flom fit perfectly a certain
Jewish stereotype—rising to the top with a powerful combination of
intelligence, interpersonal aggression, and lack of a moral sense. He
was “a lawyer whose expertise and ruthlessness in corporate mergers
and acquisitions reshaped America’s business landscape during the
1980s.” He “relished his reputation as a street fighter willing to go
to any length to win. [He had the] habit of jabbing a cigar “‘close to
the face of someone he was talking to, without apology’” (Washington
Post Obituary: “Corporate lawyer Joseph Flom transformed business
world with mergers, takeovers“).
He was not hired by New York City’s white shoe firms of an earlier
age, and probably never dropped the grudge. He joined a firm that was
soon taking on “dirty” business like hostile takeovers that were
shunned by other firms because such practices were seen as unethical:
“Firms and their chief executives who had inclined to be raiders but
had been inhibited by public censure from the business community now
became unrestrained.”
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> On Jul 29, 5:23 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
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> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> > >Veterans Today
>
> > >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> > >American military.
>
> > How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> > source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> > statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
>
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> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> > >Veterans Today
>
> > >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> > >American military.
>
> > How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> > source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> > statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> > laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
>
> Jeez, drahcir, don't you have anything better to do than ask Hunter
> > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> > laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
>
> for his sources? You know he has none.
This has a source. Why should I give it to you when you can easily
find it yourself? BTW I find the use of the word "whites" somehow
disconcerting. Can you help me understand why I'm made uncomfortable
by its use in this context? Perhaps it's because the word "power" so
often is associated with it and they are then associated with skin
heads, etc.?
Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Christopher Donovan on February 28, 2011 — 41 Comments
Joseph Flom, a name partner of the massive law firm Skadden, Arps,
Slate, Meagher & Flom, died recently. Flom fit perfectly a certain
Jewish stereotype—rising to the top with a powerful combination of
intelligence, interpersonal aggression, and lack of a moral sense. He
was “a lawyer whose expertise and ruthlessness in corporate mergers
and acquisitions reshaped America’s business landscape during the
1980s.” He “relished his reputation as a street fighter willing to go
to any length to win. [He had the] habit of jabbing a cigar “‘close to
the face of someone he was talking to, without apology’” (Washington
Post Obituary: “Corporate lawyer Joseph Flom transformed business
world with mergers, takeovers“).
He was not hired by New York City’s white shoe firms of an earlier
age, and probably never dropped the grudge. He joined a firm that was
soon taking on “dirty” business like hostile takeovers that were
shunned by other firms because such practices were seen as unethical:
“Firms and their chief executives who had inclined to be raiders but
had been inhibited by public censure from the business community now
became unrestrained.”
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 5:23:47 PM8/8/12
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On 6 ago, 15:35, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 28 jul, 22:17, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
> > > time?>
>
> On Aug 6, 12:02 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On 28 jul, 22:17, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
> > > time?>
>
>
> > Jews make up only two tenths of one percent
> > of US Armed Forces
> > by
> > Ernesto Cienfuegos
> > La Voz de Aztlan
>
> rotf
Jews are the most intensely activist ethnicity on the planet by far.
You now see some early warning signs of Hispanic activism and perceive
your place as the world's only true victims to be in danger. Ridicule,
defamation, etc., ensue. Virutally always the same pattern.
Clip Zionist racism.
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 5:26:58 PM8/8/12
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On 29 jul, 07:48, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:31:54 -0700 (PDT), HHW
Certainly they do. It's consistent with my own experience. I met one
Jew in boot camp and he lasted two weeks. Never met another nor even
heard of one.
They come from Duff saying they come from the
> USDoD. No cite at all. Perhaps like you, he doesn't "run errands", eh?
I responded to this "idea" in my previous post.
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:31:54 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 28 jul, 18:19, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 28 jul, 18:19, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> On 7/27/2012 9:10 PM, HHW wrote:
>
> >> > By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >> > Veterans Today
>
> >> > "According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
>
> >> > By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >> > Veterans Today
>
> >> > "According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> >> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> >> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> >> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> >> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> >The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> No, H, they don't.
> >> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> >> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> >> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> >> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> >The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
Certainly they do. It's consistent with my own experience. I met one
Jew in boot camp and he lasted two weeks. Never met another nor even
heard of one.
They come from Duff saying they come from the
> USDoD. No cite at all. Perhaps like you, he doesn't "run errands", eh?
I responded to this "idea" in my previous post.
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 5:31:11 PM8/8/12
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you don't like to speak of except behind closed doors?
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 7:29:16 PM8/8/12
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On 8 ago, 14:36, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
Apparently not enough as you aren't understanding our attitude toward
service to the country in times of difficulty in comparison to that of
our Jewish minority.
.and don`t think it is connected to my Question about How long and
where you served ?
>
You have read that by now.
>
Does America owe you Palestine because you've not been "very lucky"?
>
It is a matter of pride within our goyish family as it is in millions
of others.
> .
Well deserved without doubt.
> > My maternal uncle served as an officer first in the Royal Canadian Air
>
> > Force and then transferred to the RAF in England where he served in
>
> > the Coastal Command mostly in Catalinas flying long-distance anti-U
>
> > Boat patrols covering the convoys of freighters running from the US to
> I respect that .
Thank you. Do you know where I'm headed?
> > I served in the United States Marine Corps in the late 1950s. I went
>
> > through recruit training (boot camp) at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot
>
> > at San Diego and infantry training at Camp Pendleton, also in southern
>
> > California. I was sent to Sea School back at MCRD in San Diego and
>
> It is all very interesting buit i did not ask you about all your relatives
You don't understand where I'm going because you don't know what the
conversation is about.
,,, and may i remind you that you should be glad you have so many
relatives most of My relatives were murdered,,, ages 2 years to over
90]
Nothing I can say can help. The Nazis were beasts. The question you
raise, however, is important. I'll deal with it at the end.
> And find it strange that you answer me with your opinion about another poster`s writings here ....
I don't limit myself in picayune fashion. Why should you?
> But thank you for going to the trouble, to explain that you served your country ,,,,, good for you ,,,
> But all this does not give you the right to fabricate false stories about Jews
I fabricate nothing, Mirjam. You're struggling to find something about
me you can call hateful. Whether American Jews are laying down their
lives in your Middle Eastern wars along side the rest of us is a
legitimate issue. In a republic everyone is obligated to share the
burdens of citizenship equally. Jews should be rallying to the
American flag to share it. It is awful to foment the wars for Israel
and then simultaneously decline service in them.
,,,, and since you are the one that brought all the HISTORY of your
family than may i remind you that
Before we go to that I'll remind you what the issue was we were
discussing. It was the question as to whether when we non-Jewish
Americans are pressed and lied into wars in the Middle-East by
politically brutal American Jews and Israel for the strategic benefit
of your specifically Jewish State, should not the American Jewish
community share the burden? Should it not share at least pro rata the
terror, pain, maimings and deaths suffered by the rest of us? Frankly,
it is a moral no-brainer in a republic with a democratic system. And
we are a republic with a democratic system.
BTW: why in all your posts recently have you destroyed the typography
of what I've written? I ask that you stop it.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Jewish_Americans
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion
>
> http://magazine.discoverjcc.com/jews-history-in-u-s-military/
>
> so well done ,,,,for you ,
> mirjam
Okay, above you referred to the Holocaust. Did you do so to suggest
that our non-Jewish young men should fight Israel's wars for her? Or,
perhaps, that the Holocaust is really the reason why *Europe* should
give you a part of *Asia* in compensation for Europe's crimes against
you *in Europe*? This represents a very important moral issue which
you are unlikely to wish to discuss. But Israel is also unlikely to
achieve peace without an act of contrition or two or three. South
Africa provides a model for that. And so far Israel appears to be
determined to tough it out on this criminal path to the bitter end and
just as determined to drag us down it with her.
I have read the above articles before. I did not find much there about
Jewish service for the modern period subsequent to Vietnam, i.e., the
period after the end of the draft. That seems to be when Jewish
participation in our military evaporated and also the time when our
wars for Israel took place.
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:04:01 AM UTC+3, HHW wrote:
> > On 7 ago, 03:21, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
> > > On Monday, August 6, 2012 10:54:46 PM UTC+3, HHW wrote:
>
> > I'll tell you a little extra in hopes you can come to understand
>
> > something of our culture, Mirjam:
>
> Thank you , i know quite a lot about your culture...
> > On 7 ago, 03:21, mir...@actcom.co.il wrote:
>
> > > On Monday, August 6, 2012 10:54:46 PM UTC+3, HHW wrote:
>
> > I'll tell you a little extra in hopes you can come to understand
>
> > something of our culture, Mirjam:
>
Apparently not enough as you aren't understanding our attitude toward
service to the country in times of difficulty in comparison to that of
our Jewish minority.
.and don`t think it is connected to my Question about How long and
where you served ?
>
You have read that by now.
>
> > On my mother's side there was a Captain Udall who served in George
>
> > Washington's Army during the Revolution. That branch of the family
>
> Nice Historical connection , You are very lucky that members in your family survived to tell you this interesting fact.
> > On my mother's side there was a Captain Udall who served in George
>
> > Washington's Army during the Revolution. That branch of the family
>
>
Does America owe you Palestine because you've not been "very lucky"?
>
> > I have several ancestors who served in the Union Army in the Civil War
>
> > of the 1860s They appear in uniform in the family albums.
>
> Very nice to have such memoirs and such a lineage.
> > I have several ancestors who served in the Union Army in the Civil War
>
> > of the 1860s They appear in uniform in the family albums.
>
>
It is a matter of pride within our goyish family as it is in millions
of others.
>
> > My paternal grandfather served as an army officer in the Spanish
>
> > American War
> Nice to know,
> > My paternal grandfather served as an army officer in the Spanish
>
> > American War
>
> > My father served as a U.S. Navy gunnery officer in the Pacific from
>
> > early 1943 to the end of the war.
>
> My deepest respect goes to every one who fought against naziis and they allies ... Both My Grandfather were in Underground against the Nazies , One was murdered in Auschwitz the other survived and now is praised for his bravery.
> > My father served as a U.S. Navy gunnery officer in the Pacific from
>
> > early 1943 to the end of the war.
>
> .
Well deserved without doubt.
> > My maternal uncle served as an officer first in the Royal Canadian Air
>
> > Force and then transferred to the RAF in England where he served in
>
> > the Coastal Command mostly in Catalinas flying long-distance anti-U
>
> > Boat patrols covering the convoys of freighters running from the US to
Thank you. Do you know where I'm headed?
>
> > A cousin on my mother's side spent the war as a civilian engineer in
>
> > China where he built the air bases used by Gen. Claire Chenault.
>
> Very good
> > A cousin on my mother's side spent the war as a civilian engineer in
>
> > China where he built the air bases used by Gen. Claire Chenault.
>
> > I served in the United States Marine Corps in the late 1950s. I went
>
> > through recruit training (boot camp) at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot
>
> > at San Diego and infantry training at Camp Pendleton, also in southern
>
>
> > then was posted to the Marine Detachment on an aircraft carrier and
>
> > there received gunnery training on five inch thirty-eights and three
>
> > inch fifties. I served my complete enlistment plus six additional
>
> > years in the Marine Corps Reserve and received an honorable discharge.
>
> > I was on active duty and subject to call-up for a total of eight
>
> > years.
>
> For the last year of active duty I was the commanding officer's
>
>
>
> > orderly on the bridge of the U.S.S. Kearsarge, Carrier Vessel Attack,
>
> > No. 33 which has by now no doubt been turned into razor blades as she
>
> > had been built at the end of WWII.
>
> Very Well ....
> > then was posted to the Marine Detachment on an aircraft carrier and
>
> > there received gunnery training on five inch thirty-eights and three
>
> > inch fifties. I served my complete enlistment plus six additional
>
> > years in the Marine Corps Reserve and received an honorable discharge.
>
> > I was on active duty and subject to call-up for a total of eight
>
> > years.
>
> For the last year of active duty I was the commanding officer's
>
>
>
> > orderly on the bridge of the U.S.S. Kearsarge, Carrier Vessel Attack,
>
> > No. 33 which has by now no doubt been turned into razor blades as she
>
> > had been built at the end of WWII.
>
>
>
>
> > My brother served during the Vietnam period as a Russian linguist in
>
> sound quite unusual he probably has interesting stories ,,
>
>
> > My brother served during the Vietnam period as a Russian linguist in
>
>
> It is all very interesting buit i did not ask you about all your relatives
You don't understand where I'm going because you don't know what the
conversation is about.
,,, and may i remind you that you should be glad you have so many
relatives most of My relatives were murdered,,, ages 2 years to over
90]
Nothing I can say can help. The Nazis were beasts. The question you
raise, however, is important. I'll deal with it at the end.
> And find it strange that you answer me with your opinion about another poster`s writings here ....
I don't limit myself in picayune fashion. Why should you?
> But thank you for going to the trouble, to explain that you served your country ,,,,, good for you ,,,
> But all this does not give you the right to fabricate false stories about Jews
I fabricate nothing, Mirjam. You're struggling to find something about
me you can call hateful. Whether American Jews are laying down their
lives in your Middle Eastern wars along side the rest of us is a
legitimate issue. In a republic everyone is obligated to share the
burdens of citizenship equally. Jews should be rallying to the
American flag to share it. It is awful to foment the wars for Israel
and then simultaneously decline service in them.
,,,, and since you are the one that brought all the HISTORY of your
family than may i remind you that
Before we go to that I'll remind you what the issue was we were
discussing. It was the question as to whether when we non-Jewish
Americans are pressed and lied into wars in the Middle-East by
politically brutal American Jews and Israel for the strategic benefit
of your specifically Jewish State, should not the American Jewish
community share the burden? Should it not share at least pro rata the
terror, pain, maimings and deaths suffered by the rest of us? Frankly,
it is a moral no-brainer in a republic with a democratic system. And
we are a republic with a democratic system.
BTW: why in all your posts recently have you destroyed the typography
of what I've written? I ask that you stop it.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Jewish_Americans
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion
>
> http://magazine.discoverjcc.com/jews-history-in-u-s-military/
>
> so well done ,,,,for you ,
> mirjam
Okay, above you referred to the Holocaust. Did you do so to suggest
that our non-Jewish young men should fight Israel's wars for her? Or,
perhaps, that the Holocaust is really the reason why *Europe* should
give you a part of *Asia* in compensation for Europe's crimes against
you *in Europe*? This represents a very important moral issue which
you are unlikely to wish to discuss. But Israel is also unlikely to
achieve peace without an act of contrition or two or three. South
Africa provides a model for that. And so far Israel appears to be
determined to tough it out on this criminal path to the bitter end and
just as determined to drag us down it with her.
I have read the above articles before. I did not find much there about
Jewish service for the modern period subsequent to Vietnam, i.e., the
period after the end of the draft. That seems to be when Jewish
participation in our military evaporated and also the time when our
wars for Israel took place.
DoD
Aug 8, 2012, 8:13:33 PM8/8/12
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drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 8:16:22 PM8/8/12
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>>
>> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
>> >Veterans Today
>>
>> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
>> >American military.
>>
>> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
>> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
>> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
>You defame almost without exception any author I cite.
Have you ever, in your entire history here, cited even ONE author who
has not been torn apart by a huge percentage of revuews? You and I
both know the answer is NO. I don't "defame" anyone. You apparently
don't even know what "defame" means, pathetic for a supposed
ex-lawyer. When I diiscuss your cites, I either cite negative reivews
or logically contradict the particular point. That is not defamation,
idiot.
That, of course, is completely beside the point that this has exactly
ZERO to do with defamation. YOu cited some asshole who says DoD says
something without a shread of evidence. Of cuurse you don't have the
brain to question it, but the fact that you don't even have the brain
to comprehend why it is unacceptable is beyond belief.
As I said, I say I have sources who say DoD saus our armed forces are
98.6% jews. I've got exatly as much evidence as your cite: ZERO.
Pardon me if I don't bother with the rest of your crap - there's
nothing you can say that can refute my simple point.
>clich� has it, �Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto
wrote:
>On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>>
>> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
>> >Veterans Today
>>
>> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
>> >American military.
>>
>> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
>> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
>> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
>You defame almost without exception any author I cite.
has not been torn apart by a huge percentage of revuews? You and I
both know the answer is NO. I don't "defame" anyone. You apparently
don't even know what "defame" means, pathetic for a supposed
ex-lawyer. When I diiscuss your cites, I either cite negative reivews
or logically contradict the particular point. That is not defamation,
idiot.
That, of course, is completely beside the point that this has exactly
ZERO to do with defamation. YOu cited some asshole who says DoD says
something without a shread of evidence. Of cuurse you don't have the
brain to question it, but the fact that you don't even have the brain
to comprehend why it is unacceptable is beyond belief.
As I said, I say I have sources who say DoD saus our armed forces are
98.6% jews. I've got exatly as much evidence as your cite: ZERO.
Pardon me if I don't bother with the rest of your crap - there's
nothing you can say that can refute my simple point.
drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 8:17:48 PM8/8/12
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:26:58 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaste...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[John Cleese} No, they most certainly do not.
Your turn.
wrote:
Your turn.
Carolina Reb
Aug 8, 2012, 8:22:59 PM8/8/12
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On Aug 8, 8:16 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
>
> >The lesson for whites is to keep our eyes open for the Joseph Floms of
> >the world — and to ignore the praise heaped upon him by the fawning
> >elites.
Hate to throw water on the party, but there IS
>
>
> >The lesson for whites is to keep our eyes open for the Joseph Floms of
> >the world — and to ignore the praise heaped upon him by the fawning
> >elites.
a record of Jews serving in the military:
Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, commander of the Seventh U.S. Army, visited
a military hospital in Sicily on Aug. 3, 1943. He traveled past the
beds of wounded soldiers, asking them about their injuries. Coming to
the bed of a soldier who lacked visible signs of injury, Patton
inquired about his health. The soldier, 18-year-old Pvt. Charles H.
Kuhl (Jew), had been tentatively diagnosed as having a case of
psychoneurosis. He told Patton that he couldn’t mentally handle the
battle lines. “It’s my nerves,” he said. “I can hear the shells come
over but I can’t hear them burst.” Enraged, Patton slapped Kuhl
across the face and called him a coward.
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/July-August-08/On-this-Day--General-Patton-Shocks-Public-by-Slapping-Crying-Soldier.html
drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 8:32:37 PM8/8/12
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HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 8:43:59 PM8/8/12
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On 8 ago, 19:16, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
You and I
> both know the answer is NO. I don't "defame" anyone. You apparently
> don't even know what "defame" means, pathetic for a supposed
> ex-lawyer. When I diiscuss your cites, I either cite negative reivews
> or logically contradict the particular point. That is not defamation,
> idiot.
I'll show it to you next time you play the perp.. In the meantime did
you volunteer to serve in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan or Iraq?
>
> That, of course, is completely beside the point that this has exactly
> ZERO to do with defamation. YOu cited some asshole who says DoD says
> something without a shread of evidence. Of cuurse you don't have the
> brain to question it, but the fact that you don't even have the brain
> to comprehend why it is unacceptable is beyond belief.
You appear to have set the local standards.
standards, set standards. Fat chance. If you don't like what I say or
quote, bugger off.
> >cliché has it, “Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >> >Veterans Today
>
> >> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >> >American military.
>
> >> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> >> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> >> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> >You defame almost without exception any author I cite.
>
> Have you ever, in your entire history here, cited even ONE author who
> has not been torn apart by a huge percentage of revuews?
Have you stopped beating your daughters?
>
> >On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >> >Veterans Today
>
> >> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >> >American military.
>
> >> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> >> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> >> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> >You defame almost without exception any author I cite.
>
> Have you ever, in your entire history here, cited even ONE author who
> has not been torn apart by a huge percentage of revuews?
You and I
> both know the answer is NO. I don't "defame" anyone. You apparently
> don't even know what "defame" means, pathetic for a supposed
> ex-lawyer. When I diiscuss your cites, I either cite negative reivews
> or logically contradict the particular point. That is not defamation,
> idiot.
you volunteer to serve in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan or Iraq?
>
> That, of course, is completely beside the point that this has exactly
> ZERO to do with defamation. YOu cited some asshole who says DoD says
> something without a shread of evidence. Of cuurse you don't have the
> brain to question it, but the fact that you don't even have the brain
> to comprehend why it is unacceptable is beyond belief.
>
> As I said, I say I have sources who say DoD saus our armed forces are
> 98.6% jews. I've got exatly as much evidence as your cite: ZERO.
Give whatever you like.
> As I said, I say I have sources who say DoD saus our armed forces are
> 98.6% jews. I've got exatly as much evidence as your cite: ZERO.
>
> Pardon me if I don't bother with the rest of your crap - there's
> nothing you can say that can refute my simple point.
Your simple-minded point is that I should let you, a man with no
> Pardon me if I don't bother with the rest of your crap - there's
> nothing you can say that can refute my simple point.
standards, set standards. Fat chance. If you don't like what I say or
quote, bugger off.
DoD
Aug 8, 2012, 8:49:11 PM8/8/12
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On Aug 8, 7:43 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 8 ago, 19:16, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> Your simple-minded point is that I should let you, a man with no
> standards, set standards. Fat chance. If you don't like what I say or
> quote, bugger off.
I have no problem with who you quote of what you say. It just
> On 8 ago, 19:16, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> Your simple-minded point is that I should let you, a man with no
> standards, set standards. Fat chance. If you don't like what I say or
> quote, bugger off.
highlights what
you are.
HHW
Aug 8, 2012, 9:04:45 PM8/8/12
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DoD
Aug 8, 2012, 9:14:05 PM8/8/12
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drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 9:26:41 PM8/8/12
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On Aug 8, 8:43 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 8 ago, 19:16, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> > >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> > >> >Veterans Today
>
> > >> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> > >> >American military.
>
> > >> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> > >> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> > >> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> > >You defame almost without exception any author I cite.
>
> > Have you ever, in your entire history here, cited even ONE author who
> > has not been torn apart by a huge percentage of revuews?
>
> Have you stopped beating your daughters?
As I have said, you are insane.
> On 8 ago, 19:16, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> > >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> > >> >Veterans Today
>
> > >> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> > >> >American military.
>
> > >> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> > >> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> > >> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> > >You defame almost without exception any author I cite.
>
> > Have you ever, in your entire history here, cited even ONE author who
> > has not been torn apart by a huge percentage of revuews?
>
> Have you stopped beating your daughters?
>
> You and I
>
> > both know the answer is NO. I don't "defame" anyone. You apparently
> > don't even know what "defame" means, pathetic for a supposed
> > ex-lawyer. When I diiscuss your cites, I either cite negative reivews
> > or logically contradict the particular point. That is not defamation,
> > idiot.
>
> I'll show it to you next time you play the perp.. In the meantime did
> you volunteer to serve in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan or Iraq?
Neurons misfiring more tonight than usual. is alcohol to blame?
> You and I
>
> > both know the answer is NO. I don't "defame" anyone. You apparently
> > don't even know what "defame" means, pathetic for a supposed
> > ex-lawyer. When I diiscuss your cites, I either cite negative reivews
> > or logically contradict the particular point. That is not defamation,
> > idiot.
>
> I'll show it to you next time you play the perp.. In the meantime did
> you volunteer to serve in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan or Iraq?
>
>
>
> > That, of course, is completely beside the point that this has exactly
> > ZERO to do with defamation. YOu cited some asshole who says DoD says
> > something without a shread of evidence. Of cuurse you don't have the
> > brain to question it, but the fact that you don't even have the brain
> > to comprehend why it is unacceptable is beyond belief.
>
> You appear to have set the local standards.
Far from it. The standards were set long before I was born. Probably
>
>
> > That, of course, is completely beside the point that this has exactly
> > ZERO to do with defamation. YOu cited some asshole who says DoD says
> > something without a shread of evidence. Of cuurse you don't have the
> > brain to question it, but the fact that you don't even have the brain
> > to comprehend why it is unacceptable is beyond belief.
>
> You appear to have set the local standards.
even before you were born.
>
>
>
> > As I said, I say I have sources who say DoD saus our armed forces are
> > 98.6% jews. I've got exatly as much evidence as your cite: ZERO.
>
> Give whatever you like.
Makes no sense.
>
>
> > As I said, I say I have sources who say DoD saus our armed forces are
> > 98.6% jews. I've got exatly as much evidence as your cite: ZERO.
>
> Give whatever you like.
>
>
>
> > Pardon me if I don't bother with the rest of your crap - there's
> > nothing you can say that can refute my simple point.
>
> Your simple-minded point is that I should let you, a man with no
> standards, set standards.
Not my standards, moron. Either you can prove a cite or you can't.
>
>
> > Pardon me if I don't bother with the rest of your crap - there's
> > nothing you can say that can refute my simple point.
>
> Your simple-minded point is that I should let you, a man with no
> standards, set standards.
Until you do, my 09.6% is as good as your percentage.
Fat chance. If you don't like what I say or
> quote, bugger off.
it?
drahcir
Aug 8, 2012, 9:28:12 PM8/8/12
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His name wasn't Kuhl. It was Johnson.
Carolina Reb
Aug 9, 2012, 2:48:27 AM8/9/12
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"drahcir" <snidelywhipla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2fdbaccb-04f9-4e95...@g1g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>His name wasn't Kuhl.
>It was Johnson.
HQ
Aug 9, 2012, 7:38:36 AM8/9/12
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In article <7357b210-2148-401c...@h11g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
"O'Donnell admitted that Kuhl was not Jewish", from "The Patton Papers".
Cordially, Q.
Carolina Reb <walt.h...@att.net> wrote:
> Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, commander of the Seventh U.S. Army, visited
> a military hospital in Sicily on Aug. 3, 1943. He traveled past the
> beds of wounded soldiers, asking them about their injuries. Coming to
> the bed of a soldier who lacked visible signs of injury, Patton
> inquired about his health. The soldier, 18-year-old Pvt. Charles H.
> Kuhl (Jew),
Are you sure?
> Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, commander of the Seventh U.S. Army, visited
> a military hospital in Sicily on Aug. 3, 1943. He traveled past the
> beds of wounded soldiers, asking them about their injuries. Coming to
> the bed of a soldier who lacked visible signs of injury, Patton
> inquired about his health. The soldier, 18-year-old Pvt. Charles H.
> Kuhl (Jew),
"O'Donnell admitted that Kuhl was not Jewish", from "The Patton Papers".
Cordially, Q.
drahcir
Aug 9, 2012, 9:27:24 AM8/9/12
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On Aug 9, 7:38 am, HQ <hq-obser...@xxx.yyy> wrote:
> In article <7357b210-2148-401c-9f6a-4a2640fd5...@h11g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> In article <7357b210-2148-401c-9f6a-4a2640fd5...@h11g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> Carolina Reb <walt.hamp...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, commander of the Seventh U.S. Army, visited
> > a military hospital in Sicily on Aug. 3, 1943. He traveled past the
> > beds of wounded soldiers, asking them about their injuries. Coming to
> > the bed of a soldier who lacked visible signs of injury, Patton
> > inquired about his health. The soldier, 18-year-old Pvt. Charles H.
> > Kuhl (Jew),
>
> Are you sure?
As sure as the asshole who made the original post.
>
> > Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, commander of the Seventh U.S. Army, visited
> > a military hospital in Sicily on Aug. 3, 1943. He traveled past the
> > beds of wounded soldiers, asking them about their injuries. Coming to
> > the bed of a soldier who lacked visible signs of injury, Patton
> > inquired about his health. The soldier, 18-year-old Pvt. Charles H.
> > Kuhl (Jew),
>
> Are you sure?
drahcir
Aug 9, 2012, 9:45:16 AM8/9/12
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how much difficulty the stupid author has to stay just on the edge of
raging antisemitism. Best remember, H. Keep your eyes open for all
those Floms running around your house. Be sure and check under your
bed and in your closet before you go to sleep. And whenever you hear
anyone praise him for his generosity and philanthropy, you just give
them what for! In fact, you can start with me!
"Flom was particularly gratified by the enduring work of the Skadden
Fellowship Foundation, of which he was the founding trustee. The
Foundation awards more than 25 fellowships annually to graduating law
students and outgoing judicial clerks to support their public interest
endeavors. Over the course of each two-year fellowship, the
participants create and pursue their own projects at public interest
organizations. The 2011 Class of Fellows brings to 620 the number of
academically outstanding young attorneys the Foundation has funded to
work full-time for pro bono organizations."
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 2:26:24 PM8/9/12
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On Aug 9, 9:27 am, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I was reading the autobiography of a famous jew
who escaped Russia so as to avoid serving in the Tzar's army. Many
jews served in Hitler's army in lieu of a work camp after Untermeyer
broadcast his famous speech asking all German Jews to "boycott
Germany" their host country!.
There is a book published showing pictures of Nazi Jewish Soldiers. As
usual, the book can only be written by a jew. As no jew will label
another jew an antisemite. They prefer "self-hating jew". The Jewish
experience is very complex and always convoluted. Maybe H can help
you .
wrote:
who escaped Russia so as to avoid serving in the Tzar's army. Many
jews served in Hitler's army in lieu of a work camp after Untermeyer
broadcast his famous speech asking all German Jews to "boycott
Germany" their host country!.
There is a book published showing pictures of Nazi Jewish Soldiers. As
usual, the book can only be written by a jew. As no jew will label
another jew an antisemite. They prefer "self-hating jew". The Jewish
experience is very complex and always convoluted. Maybe H can help
you .
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 3:01:10 PM8/9/12
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On Jul 27, 11:12 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> Veterans Today
>
> "According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> Veterans Today
>
> "According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
I met a jewish kid who served in war
zone C he is alive because he refused a direct order, which was then
given to another squad leader and all 14 were killed. He ended up in a
nut ward after the other men beat him up.
Decent jewish kids like all of us
had a "military obligation": by accepting conscription and beinfg sent
to the shithole called VIETNAM.
Allen Dulles, CIA chief, believed
that if Vietnam went socialist all of SoutheastAsia would follow.
President Kennedy figured it was their problem. Lyndon Johnson gave
Allen dulles a war. Now what nation is going to start another one?
Israel, of course.
H posted an article about how excited aipac was about exploiting our
"stupid" American military.
Because any jew will tell you how stupid we are.Geographic Israel
wrongly believe its interest and ours are the same. That's why they
powerful jewish organizations live like busy Communists, in a
delusional universe, coercively threatening to label any politician
"antisemitic" if he doesn't give Israel what it wants.
http://www.adl/org
http://www.aipac.org
I grew up in Manchester, NH
and my father worked for the state's largest newspaper.
One day the local Rabbi decided to mail a letter to President Ronald
Reagan to ask the President of the United States of America NOT to put
a wreath at the memorial ,in Germany in person, commemorating children
who were put in uniform and died defending Germany as Patton's tanks
rolled into Berlin from the west and the Russian army ,[which included
females], arriving from the east.
It took time and many years and
books to understand the history my father and his generation lived
through from a great depression to a world war financed, frequently
both sides, by the same international bankers.. I have never been able
to accept a Communist talking about being part of the French
Resistance. Probably because Communsim and jewish sympathy for it
started the war.
Coun...@hotmail.ca
Aug 9, 2012, 3:07:55 PM8/9/12
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responding to drahcir.
And no, I didn't volunteer for the Canadian Army to serve in
Afghanistan. (We sat out Iraq for this last round, but don't let that
stop you from displaying your ignorance so consistently)
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 3:13:18 PM8/9/12
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Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 3:25:11 PM8/9/12
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On Aug 9, 3:01 pm, "Tell it like it is."
> "antisemitic" if he doesn't give Israel what it wants.http://www.adl/orghttp://www.aipac.org
people changing the subject header in favor of ad hominems. The people
behaving like that are the very ones who love screaming antisemitism
at everybody and hypocritically writing about "the haters"
themselves.. They prefer attacking everyone with a perverse jewish
oneupmansship eg., Drahcir, Sharavi, the Peeler, etc.. It's sickening.
Nott to leave out the brainwashed DoD..
> I grew up in Manchester, NH
> and my father worked for the state's largest newspaper.
> One day the local Rabbi decided to mail a letter to President Ronald
> Reagan to ask the President of the United States of America NOT to put
> a wreath at the memorial ,in Germany in person, commemorating children
> who were put in uniform and died defending Germany as Patton's tanks
> rolled into Berlin from the west and the Russian army ,[which included
> females], arriving from the east.
> It took time and many years and
> books to understand the history my father and his generation lived
> through from a great depression to a world war financed, frequently
> both sides, by the same international bankers.. I have never been able
> to accept a Communist talking about being part of the French
> Resistance. Probably because Communsim and jewish sympathy for it
> started the war.
I can't keep track of the thread anymore with
> and my father worked for the state's largest newspaper.
> One day the local Rabbi decided to mail a letter to President Ronald
> Reagan to ask the President of the United States of America NOT to put
> a wreath at the memorial ,in Germany in person, commemorating children
> who were put in uniform and died defending Germany as Patton's tanks
> rolled into Berlin from the west and the Russian army ,[which included
> females], arriving from the east.
> It took time and many years and
> books to understand the history my father and his generation lived
> through from a great depression to a world war financed, frequently
> both sides, by the same international bankers.. I have never been able
> to accept a Communist talking about being part of the French
> Resistance. Probably because Communsim and jewish sympathy for it
> started the war.
people changing the subject header in favor of ad hominems. The people
behaving like that are the very ones who love screaming antisemitism
at everybody and hypocritically writing about "the haters"
themselves.. They prefer attacking everyone with a perverse jewish
oneupmansship eg., Drahcir, Sharavi, the Peeler, etc.. It's sickening.
Nott to leave out the brainwashed DoD..
dsharavi
Aug 9, 2012, 3:32:05 PM8/9/12
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On Aug 9, 6:45 am, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
wrote:
> LOL! Quite a lesson! What a friggin moronic article. What I love is
> how much difficulty the stupid author has to stay just on the edge of
> raging antisemitism. Best remember, H. Keep your eyes open for all
> those Floms running around your house. Be sure and check under your
> bed and in your closet before you go to sleep. And whenever you hear
> anyone praise him for his generosity and philanthropy, you just give
> them what for! In fact, you can start with me!
>
> "Flom was particularly gratified by the enduring work of the Skadden
> Fellowship Foundation, of which he was the founding trustee. The
> Foundation awards more than 25 fellowships annually to graduating law
> students and outgoing judicial clerks to support their public interest
> endeavors. Over the course of each two-year fellowship, the
> participants create and pursue their own projects at public interest
> organizations. The 2011 Class of Fellows brings to 620 the number of
> academically outstanding young attorneys the Foundation has funded to
> work full-time for pro bono organizations."
lol
> how much difficulty the stupid author has to stay just on the edge of
> raging antisemitism. Best remember, H. Keep your eyes open for all
> those Floms running around your house. Be sure and check under your
> bed and in your closet before you go to sleep. And whenever you hear
> anyone praise him for his generosity and philanthropy, you just give
> them what for! In fact, you can start with me!
>
> "Flom was particularly gratified by the enduring work of the Skadden
> Fellowship Foundation, of which he was the founding trustee. The
> Foundation awards more than 25 fellowships annually to graduating law
> students and outgoing judicial clerks to support their public interest
> endeavors. Over the course of each two-year fellowship, the
> participants create and pursue their own projects at public interest
> organizations. The 2011 Class of Fellows brings to 620 the number of
> academically outstanding young attorneys the Foundation has funded to
> work full-time for pro bono organizations."
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 4:32:11 PM8/9/12
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On Jul 28, 7:19 pm, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
understandeable many men will stand with the underdog. Regardless of
the issue. Like DoD does with Israel.
Teleevangelist Hagee promotes Israel even
as they stone Christian children in Palestine walking to school.
Christ doesn't mean anything to the Pastor compared to Israh and the
big bucks his ministry gets promoting winnahs! Not loser Christian
children being stoned by illegal Jewish settlers while they walk to
school in Muslim Palestine surrounded by illegal settlements promoted
by a deceased Rabbi and his movement.
> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> that crank writes? Who would?
I would. As far as a man being a convert to Islam. That's
> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> that crank writes? Who would?
understandeable many men will stand with the underdog. Regardless of
the issue. Like DoD does with Israel.
Teleevangelist Hagee promotes Israel even
as they stone Christian children in Palestine walking to school.
Christ doesn't mean anything to the Pastor compared to Israh and the
big bucks his ministry gets promoting winnahs! Not loser Christian
children being stoned by illegal Jewish settlers while they walk to
school in Muslim Palestine surrounded by illegal settlements promoted
by a deceased Rabbi and his movement.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 4:32:53 PM8/9/12
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On Jul 28, 10:46 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 28, 9:31 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Which clowns do you know?
> On Jul 28, 9:31 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> We don't know that clown.
>
Which clowns do you know?
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 4:35:07 PM8/9/12
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On Jul 28, 11:17 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 28, 10:07 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > And you don't want to find out.
>
> 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
> time?
You'd rather be a pain-in-the-ass.
> On Jul 28, 10:07 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
> time?
You'd rather be a pain-in-the-ass.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 4:38:32 PM8/9/12
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On Jul 29, 8:23 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:10:07 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>
> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >Veterans Today
>
> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >American military.
>
> >By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >Veterans Today
>
> >"According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >American military.
>
> How do you know it's the truth, H? Have you asked Mr. Duff for his
> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> source? Don't you find it unusual that with a straightforward
> statistic there is no cite? Maybe he doesn't run errands either, eh?
>
> said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> laborers.
It's just stupid, as you are.
>
> military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
> laborers.
It's just stupid, as you are.
>
else and "liar" referencing themselves..
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 4:43:56 PM8/9/12
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On Jul 29, 9:32 am, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> >> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> >> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> >> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> >> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> No they don't Hunter. Duff provides no cite to back up his claim, and a
> >> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> >> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> >> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> >> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> >> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> rudimentary search of DoD's site shows *nothing* about the numbers of
> Jews in active service.
>
> Then I checked scholars.google.ca, their search site of research papers
> and other studies. Nothing...Nada on the numbers of Jews serving in the
> US military, it appears the DoD is totally silent on the matter.
>
> I also searched for numbers of Muslims serving in the american military,
> once again DoD is totally silent, considering how much good the US has
> done for muslims with their removal of the Taliban and Hussein, it's a
> no brainer that the DoD would publish those numbers, but they don't.
>
> Hmmmm.....
>
> I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> service. You can place the cite right here:
>
> <insert cite>
> I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> service. You can place the cite right here:
>
>
> Good luck!
"How much good the US has done for Muslims with their
removal of the Taliban and Hussein."
How much good the U.S. has done who - the Muslims or Israel?
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 4:53:19 PM8/9/12
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On Aug 6, 7:36 pm, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> > in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> > opportunities.
>
> Um, that sentence makes exactly zero sense. Par for the course for you
> lately. You're gone, completely 100% out of your mind.
>
> Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
>
> > offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> > had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> > dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> > region.
>
> That's according to you, some lunatic on usenet. That's not according
> to anyone who actually matters.
>
> There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our
>
> > support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
>
> Until you go the last six syllables you actually had a point. A true
> one.
>
> Had there
>
> > been no 9/11 we would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, much less
> > struggled with the neocon fantasy of nation-building. Had it not been
> > for neoconservative, i.e., Zionist influence in the Bush
> > Administration combined with intense pressure from the Lobby
>
> As I proved in our little On Point debate, even Mearsheimer doesn't
> believe that to be true.
>
> and Ariel
>
> > Sharon's deceit in funneling false estimates past our intelligence
> > agencies straight to Zionists in the Pentagon and then straight to the
> > White House, it is very unlikely that the invasion of Iraq would have
> > been politically possible. We would neither have suffered tens of
> > thousands of casualties nor gone virtually bankrupt in the present
> > collapse.
>
> H, sorry to say, this is yet more confusing reality with fantasy. The
> false intelligence came AFTER it became clear that Bush was going to
> finish what his father started. As was admitted by Mearsheimer on On
> Point, Israel has always been more concerned with Iran. Anyone wishing
> to view H's debate with me re Mearsheimer can do a groups search with
> me as author for the word "ashbrook".
>
>
>
> > So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
> > se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
> > the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
> > the specifically *Jewish* State.
>
> Wrong. it's about who is bleeding for American interests, as it has
> always been.
It was deemed to be in american interests to invade Iraq.
> Whether or not you or I might agree, that's the pretext under which it
> was done. It has NOTHING to do with Israel. To think that you are so
> far gone that you actually believe that Jewish future lawyers or
> doctors or authors or businessmen should join the military because
> YOU, some halfwit antisemitic, serial lying clown deems so on usenet,
> is simply beyond laughable. You know what? I have way better things
> than to read the rest of this ridiculous post. Buhbye.
>
> Whose wives and children are being
>
>
>
> > left fatherless or with a father whose life will never be the same?
> > Whose wives and children have fallen into the ranks of the poor in the
> > process?
>
> > Then come others, the brutal suppression of our Congress and the
> > menacing of any public servant or political leader who raises his head
> > and criticizes the Lobby and Israeli policy; the relentless espionage
> > against us; the brazen attacks upon us. But we need to keep them
> > separate so that they can be delineated with great clarity.
Wrong, Drahcir, it has never been deemed in AMERICAN interests to
invade Iraq or any Middle Eastern country including AFGHANISTAN.
"WE'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN.".
Jewish-American Ambassador
Richard Holbrooke
. Ask the [jewish-american] neocons who wrote the intelligence report
from their office by-passing official channels at the Pentagon.
wrote:
> On Aug 6, 6:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On 29 jul, 07:23, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
> > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> > What's a bit too cunning, Ratner, is the way you attempt mask the
> > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
> > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual laborers.
>
> > issue with trivialities. Our boots-on-the ground military embroilment
> > in the Middle-East since the Gulf War has nothing to do with job
> > opportunities.
>
> Um, that sentence makes exactly zero sense. Par for the course for you
> lately. You're gone, completely 100% out of your mind.
>
> Until then we needed only a naval presence, i.e., an
>
> > offshore presence. It was very effective. Overall since then it has
> > had almost everything to do with Israeli security and her strategic
> > dominance in the region relative to various other countries in the
> > region.
>
> That's according to you, some lunatic on usenet. That's not according
> to anyone who actually matters.
>
> There would have been no 9/11 attack whatever but for our
>
> > support of and complicity in Israeli aggression and crimes.
>
> Until you go the last six syllables you actually had a point. A true
> one.
>
> Had there
>
> > been no 9/11 we would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, much less
> > struggled with the neocon fantasy of nation-building. Had it not been
> > for neoconservative, i.e., Zionist influence in the Bush
> > Administration combined with intense pressure from the Lobby
>
> As I proved in our little On Point debate, even Mearsheimer doesn't
> believe that to be true.
>
> and Ariel
>
> > Sharon's deceit in funneling false estimates past our intelligence
> > agencies straight to Zionists in the Pentagon and then straight to the
> > White House, it is very unlikely that the invasion of Iraq would have
> > been politically possible. We would neither have suffered tens of
> > thousands of casualties nor gone virtually bankrupt in the present
> > collapse.
>
> H, sorry to say, this is yet more confusing reality with fantasy. The
> false intelligence came AFTER it became clear that Bush was going to
> finish what his father started. As was admitted by Mearsheimer on On
> Point, Israel has always been more concerned with Iran. Anyone wishing
> to view H's debate with me re Mearsheimer can do a groups search with
> me as author for the word "ashbrook".
>
>
>
> > So this central issue we have with American Jews and with Israel per
> > se is not the military as a job opportunity, it's about who is doing
> > the bleeding, suffering and dying in this decade of constant war for
> > the specifically *Jewish* State.
>
> Wrong. it's about who is bleeding for American interests, as it has
> always been.
It was deemed to be in american interests to invade Iraq.
> Whether or not you or I might agree, that's the pretext under which it
> was done. It has NOTHING to do with Israel. To think that you are so
> far gone that you actually believe that Jewish future lawyers or
> doctors or authors or businessmen should join the military because
> YOU, some halfwit antisemitic, serial lying clown deems so on usenet,
> is simply beyond laughable. You know what? I have way better things
> than to read the rest of this ridiculous post. Buhbye.
>
> Whose wives and children are being
>
>
>
> > left fatherless or with a father whose life will never be the same?
> > Whose wives and children have fallen into the ranks of the poor in the
> > process?
>
> > Then come others, the brutal suppression of our Congress and the
> > menacing of any public servant or political leader who raises his head
> > and criticizes the Lobby and Israeli policy; the relentless espionage
> > against us; the brazen attacks upon us. But we need to keep them
> > separate so that they can be delineated with great clarity.
Wrong, Drahcir, it has never been deemed in AMERICAN interests to
invade Iraq or any Middle Eastern country including AFGHANISTAN.
"WE'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN.".
Jewish-American Ambassador
Richard Holbrooke
. Ask the [jewish-american] neocons who wrote the intelligence report
from their office by-passing official channels at the Pentagon.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 9, 2012, 5:01:04 PM8/9/12
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On Aug 7, 1:23 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 28 jul, 22:17, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Daddy?
>
Seems to me you've adopted the strategy of the best defense being a
good offense. Twofold problem: It won't work, and it's not a good
offense. You want to distract from the fact that you have no clue
whether the numbers come from the defense department. You failed.
Back so soon?
You're assuming H has a one track mind- like yours, Drahcir
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT), HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 28 jul, 22:17, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jul 28, 10:07 pm,HHW<coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Jul 28, 9:46 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> > On Jul 28, 9:46 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > On Jul 28, 9:31 pm,HHW<coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > On 28 jul, 18:19, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > On 7/27/2012 9:10 PM,HHWwrote:
>
>
> >> > > > On 28 jul, 18:19, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > On 7/27/2012 9:10 PM,HHWwrote:
>
> >> > > > > > By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
> >> > > > > > Veterans Today
>
> >> > > > > > "According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >> > > > > > American military. Over 200,000 American Jews have been trained at
> >> > > > > > Veterans Today
>
> >> > > > > > "According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the
> >> > > > > You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> >> > > > > Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> >> > > > > muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> >> > > > > Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> >> > > > > that crank writes? Who would?
>
> >> > > > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> >> > > > > Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> >> > > > > muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> >> > > > > Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> >> > > > > that crank writes? Who would?
>
> >> > > > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> >> > > We don't know that clown.
>
> >> > And you don't want to find out.
>
> >> 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
> >> time?
>
> >Answer the question. Are you still living at home with Mommie and
>
> >> > And you don't want to find out.
>
> >> 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
> >> time?
>
> >Daddy?
>
Seems to me you've adopted the strategy of the best defense being a
good offense. Twofold problem: It won't work, and it's not a good
offense. You want to distract from the fact that you have no clue
whether the numbers come from the defense department. You failed.
Back so soon?
You're assuming H has a one track mind- like yours, Drahcir
Coun...@hotmail.ca
Aug 9, 2012, 5:04:11 PM8/9/12
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On Aug 8, 3:09 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29 jul, 11:35, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
No they don't, if they did, you'd be able to prove it. You can't
because they don't.
>
> Duff provides no cite to back up his claim, and a
>
> > > rudimentary search of DoD's site shows *nothing* about the numbers of
> > > Jews in active service.
>
> Don't worry, it's just not on the website.
Who's worried? The reality is you can't back up what you write. Why
would I worry over that?
> > > Then I checked scholars.google.ca, their search site of research papers
> > > and other studies. Nothing...Nada on the numbers of Jews serving in the
> > > US military, it appears the DoD is totally silent on the matter.
>
> You just haven't found it.
Neither have you, that fact would have stopped you in your original
post if you had one ounce of morality.
> > > I also searched for numbers of Muslims serving in the american military,
> > > once again DoD is totally silent, considering how much good the US has
> > > done for muslims with their removal of the Taliban and Hussein, it's a
> > > no brainer that the DoD would publish those numbers, but they don't.
>
> What good has the USA done for Muslims?
Are you kidding?
> > > Hmmmm.....
>
> > > I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> > > provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> > > service. You can place the cite right here:
>
> > > <insert cite>
>
> > > Good luck!
>
> > Hah. Hunter never cites his sources. It's because his sources embarass
> > him.
>
> I just explained it to Ratner. It's your Israel Lobby behavior which
> is at the root of it.
?? Wow, so now 'the lobby' is stopping Hunter from citing his sources.
My god, that 'lobby' even controls Hunter's mind! lololol
> Here's an interesting letter for you. It appears to reveal something
> about your moral universe in contradistinction to ours.
Hardly.
Perhaps there
> is a kernel of something in here which *helps* us understand why 1.8%
> of our population owns or controls 40% of our GNP?
Insert loony leftist anti-semitic canard, stated without a shred of
supporting material....*again*.
But then you'll be
> aggrieved at the "stereotypical" part, eh? And proud of the cigar
> image at the same time? There are apparently some actual reasons for
> the existence of anti-Semitism?
Just a matter of time before you started looking for ways to slip in
'justifiable' reasons for jew hatred.
What do you think, Count? Could one of
> them be a failure to conform to the dominant culture's business
> ethics? Could it be that your righteous war against anti-Semitism is
> actually a war to vindicate your right to refuse to conform?
LOL. Keep digging Hunter. Funny, I don't see you complaining about
Italians and their inability to conform to the dominant culture's
business ethics when they brought organized crime to the America's. Or
the Irish when they did the same thing. No, the only time you think to
mention failure to conform to the dominant culture is in reference to
Jews. Of course you never out line the 'dominant culture's ethics', so
I don't know what you're specifically referring to. But none of that
is relevant, since I'm not naive enough to assert that the religious
designation of a criminal allows us to judge all members of that
religion as criminals.
You - it appears - are.
Yes Hunter, some criminals have been Jewish...some Protestants....some
snake charmers...I think even a few here and there have been
Catholics. And what have we learned? That the religion of a criminal
is IRRELEVANT, and DOES NOT ALLOW us to be prejudicial (judging before
knowing) towards other members of the same religion.
How is it possible that you've been alive for this long and haven't
already learned that?
> On 29 jul, 11:35, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 29, 6:32 am, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > >> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> > > >> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> > > >> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> > > >> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> > > >> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> > > > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> > On Jul 29, 6:32 am, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > >> You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
> > > >> Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
> > > >> muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
> > > >> Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
> > > >> that crank writes? Who would?
>
> > > > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> > > No they don't Hunter.
>
> Oh, yes they do.
>
No they don't, if they did, you'd be able to prove it. You can't
because they don't.
>
> Duff provides no cite to back up his claim, and a
>
> > > rudimentary search of DoD's site shows *nothing* about the numbers of
> > > Jews in active service.
>
Who's worried? The reality is you can't back up what you write. Why
would I worry over that?
> > > Then I checked scholars.google.ca, their search site of research papers
> > > and other studies. Nothing...Nada on the numbers of Jews serving in the
> > > US military, it appears the DoD is totally silent on the matter.
>
Neither have you, that fact would have stopped you in your original
post if you had one ounce of morality.
> > > I also searched for numbers of Muslims serving in the american military,
> > > once again DoD is totally silent, considering how much good the US has
> > > done for muslims with their removal of the Taliban and Hussein, it's a
> > > no brainer that the DoD would publish those numbers, but they don't.
>
Are you kidding?
> > > Hmmmm.....
>
> > > I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> > > provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> > > service. You can place the cite right here:
>
> > > <insert cite>
>
> > > Good luck!
>
> > him.
>
> I just explained it to Ratner. It's your Israel Lobby behavior which
> is at the root of it.
?? Wow, so now 'the lobby' is stopping Hunter from citing his sources.
My god, that 'lobby' even controls Hunter's mind! lololol
> Here's an interesting letter for you. It appears to reveal something
> about your moral universe in contradistinction to ours.
Hardly.
Perhaps there
> is a kernel of something in here which *helps* us understand why 1.8%
> of our population owns or controls 40% of our GNP?
Insert loony leftist anti-semitic canard, stated without a shred of
supporting material....*again*.
But then you'll be
> aggrieved at the "stereotypical" part, eh? And proud of the cigar
> image at the same time? There are apparently some actual reasons for
> the existence of anti-Semitism?
Just a matter of time before you started looking for ways to slip in
'justifiable' reasons for jew hatred.
What do you think, Count? Could one of
> them be a failure to conform to the dominant culture's business
> ethics? Could it be that your righteous war against anti-Semitism is
> actually a war to vindicate your right to refuse to conform?
LOL. Keep digging Hunter. Funny, I don't see you complaining about
Italians and their inability to conform to the dominant culture's
business ethics when they brought organized crime to the America's. Or
the Irish when they did the same thing. No, the only time you think to
mention failure to conform to the dominant culture is in reference to
Jews. Of course you never out line the 'dominant culture's ethics', so
I don't know what you're specifically referring to. But none of that
is relevant, since I'm not naive enough to assert that the religious
designation of a criminal allows us to judge all members of that
religion as criminals.
You - it appears - are.
Yes Hunter, some criminals have been Jewish...some Protestants....some
snake charmers...I think even a few here and there have been
Catholics. And what have we learned? That the religion of a criminal
is IRRELEVANT, and DOES NOT ALLOW us to be prejudicial (judging before
knowing) towards other members of the same religion.
How is it possible that you've been alive for this long and haven't
already learned that?
Coun...@hotmail.ca
Aug 9, 2012, 3:02:54 PM8/9/12
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On Aug 8, 2:33 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29 jul, 08:32, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> On 29 jul, 08:32, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > I'll give you one more chance Hunter, cite a reference for statistics
> > provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> > service. You can place the cite right here:
>
> > provided by the department of defense on the number of Jews in active
> > service. You can place the cite right here:
>
> Okay:
>
> Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
<snip>
>
> Joseph Flom as a Stereotypical Jewish Success Story
Wow! That was - by far - the biggest nonsequitur you have ever posted.
OK, so you're basically admitting you cannot show any official
statistics put out by the DoD on how many soldiers actively serving
refer to themselves as 'Jewish'.
At this time you're going to come back with a 'look harder', when in
fact its you who needs to support your words or admit they were
wrong. Or you're going to repeat the claim without any new cites,
putting into motion that a lie repeated enough becomes the truth (it
doesn't). Or you're going to run from the thread. Given your history
with me, I suspect you're lacing up your sneakers right now.
dsharavi
Aug 9, 2012, 5:52:07 PM8/9/12
to
Cleansing, and advise us of the name of the Alexandroni commander at
Tantura whom, Hunter claimed, Pappe named.
drahcir
Aug 10, 2012, 7:35:07 AM8/10/12
to
receive a reply from me. First, learn that there are two accepted
spellings for the former Russian monarch - "czar" and "tsar". Now,
even from the mouths of psychos sometimes a pearl can drop. I have
located the book about Jewis in Hitler's army - fascinating. Now it's
your turn, psycho. I need for you to inform the group how you
determined that the author is Jewish. As to the remainder of your post
about self-hating or whatever, it is siamply what one would expect
from someone as out of his mind as you.
BTW, I know full well that the reason you reply to me is the hope to
get a reply back. I also know that the reason you want a reply back is
that you feel that exposing yourself to my hyperrationality is healthy
- sort of brings you down into reality for a few moments.
Nevertheless, I give my time because I like to be kind to the
handicapped.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 10, 2012, 4:46:24 PM8/10/12
to
I checked shows a carved cross in the stone not a star of David. Kuhl
had MALARIA at the time he was affronted by General Patton, as did my
own father, though in the South Pacific, after Dad survived the
invasion and then the fighting on Okinawa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kuhl
Tell it like it is.
Aug 10, 2012, 4:55:57 PM8/10/12
to
this thread with the author's name as my life does not revolve around
attacking H, as does yours and Sharavi's, who claims her acestry
includes "cherokee" American indians.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 10, 2012, 5:09:01 PM8/10/12
to
On Aug 10, 7:35 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
(Please do not respond.) Truth and reality is enough for those who are
sane.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Tzar+of+Russia
drahcir
Aug 10, 2012, 6:27:20 PM8/10/12
to
On Aug 10, 4:55 pm, "Tell it like it is."
Go back and correct your spelling and idiotic run-on sentence and
maybe I'll reply.
maybe I'll reply.
drahcir
Aug 10, 2012, 6:28:36 PM8/10/12
to
On Aug 10, 5:09 pm, "Tell it like it is."
So you've confirmed you're an idiot. Bravo.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 10, 2012, 9:00:08 PM8/10/12
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On Aug 10, 6:28 pm, drahcir <snidelywhiplashisnotmyn...@yahoo.com>
After the Hollywood actor Sean Penn married to "Madonna" and who gave
her some kids. It's only natural for a jewish boy to marry an Italian
girl who makes a video for teens showing a woman having sex with a
negro statue come to life inside a Church.
Even though in Hollywood there is a monastery in which in the parking
lot is a beautiful life size statue carved from wood of a negro saint
in the Catholic Church.
I have to admit ashkenazi jews are masters of all media.
TZAR is associated with activities the Jewish world would rather
forget. Are you H's bitch?
her some kids. It's only natural for a jewish boy to marry an Italian
girl who makes a video for teens showing a woman having sex with a
negro statue come to life inside a Church.
Even though in Hollywood there is a monastery in which in the parking
lot is a beautiful life size statue carved from wood of a negro saint
in the Catholic Church.
I have to admit ashkenazi jews are masters of all media.
TZAR is associated with activities the Jewish world would rather
forget. Are you H's bitch?
Tell it like it is.
Aug 10, 2012, 9:02:52 PM8/10/12
to
drahcir
Aug 11, 2012, 7:42:49 AM8/11/12
to
On Aug 10, 9:00 pm, "Tell it like it is."
I realize you're doing your best, psycho. I can't imagine what it must
be like to try to hold it together with your problems. You'll just
have to trust me that the above is loonytunes. I'll leave you with the
fact that Penn is not Jewish.
be like to try to hold it together with your problems. You'll just
have to trust me that the above is loonytunes. I'll leave you with the
fact that Penn is not Jewish.
Tell it like it is.
Aug 11, 2012, 2:56:14 PM8/11/12
to
On Aug 10, 4:46 pm, "Tell it like it is."
I meant ny father had malaria which had complicated to hepatitis. He
never met General Patton though I did meet a man who served under
Patton in Germany "We rolled so fast through Germany we didn't even
stop to take prrsoners." Meaning the Germans were glad to have an end
to war and a totalitarian police state over them.
never met General Patton though I did meet a man who served under
Patton in Germany "We rolled so fast through Germany we didn't even
stop to take prrsoners." Meaning the Germans were glad to have an end
to war and a totalitarian police state over them.
HHW
Aug 11, 2012, 11:38:48 PM8/11/12
to
On 10 ago, 15:46, "Tell it like it is."
Kuhl's comments after the war were never angry or vindictive. He
acknowledged that Patton too had been under a lot of stress at the
time of the incident. Kuhl was in the Army for the entire war, 1941 to
1945. He too was one of its victims.
acknowledged that Patton too had been under a lot of stress at the
time of the incident. Kuhl was in the Army for the entire war, 1941 to
1945. He too was one of its victims.
HHW
Aug 12, 2012, 2:56:58 AM8/12/12
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On 9 ago, 14:25, "Tell it like it is."
Poor Zev, what company he had to keep.
meist...@gmail.com
Nov 14, 2012, 11:10:48 PM11/14/12
to
On Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:17:59 AM UTC, DoD wrote:
You really come across as some type of brain-dead, uneducated, kinder bully with this type of silly and empty rhetoric.
The clot who follows you in this thread (drahcir) is obviously some type of gay boy with nothing but hatred for everything non Jew or non Israel.
You are sick people and should be deported to the country of your first loyalty.
> On Jul 28, 10:07 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 28, 9:46 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > On Jul 28, 9:31 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > On 28 jul, 18:19, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 9:46 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > On Jul 28, 9:31 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > On 28 jul, 18:19, Count 1 <omnipitus2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > > You can't possibly be serious. Gordon Duff is Truther, who believes
>
> > > > > Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
>
> > > > > muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
>
> > > > > Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
>
> > > > > that crank writes? Who would?
>
> >
>
> > > > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> >
>
>
> > > > > Israel conducted 9/11, and posts 'essays' by Kevin Barrett, an american
>
> > > > > muslim convert who recently wrote the bombing of Israeli civilians In
>
> > > > > Bulgaria was a false flag operation. You expect us to believe *anything*
>
> > > > > that crank writes? Who would?
>
> >
>
> > > > The statistics came from the Defense Department.
>
> >
>
> > > We don't know that clown.
>
> >
>
> > And you don't want to find out.
>
>
>
> 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
>
> time?
There is NO garbage in this particular post from HHW. NONE. There is a lot of Jew instigated and inspired hatred shown to him because he points out the unfortunate fact that Jews of America are just not involved in assisting in defense of their host nation or the nation they pay the primary loyalty to - Israel.
>
> >
>
> > And you don't want to find out.
>
>
>
> 99 percent of what you post is garbage. Why would I want to waste my
>
> time?
You really come across as some type of brain-dead, uneducated, kinder bully with this type of silly and empty rhetoric.
The clot who follows you in this thread (drahcir) is obviously some type of gay boy with nothing but hatred for everything non Jew or non Israel.
You are sick people and should be deported to the country of your first loyalty.
meist...@gmail.com
Nov 14, 2012, 11:20:43 PM11/14/12
to
On Monday, August 6, 2012 8:40:44 PM UTC, dsharavi wrote:
> On Aug 6, 12:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On 29 jul, 11:36, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > for his sources? You know he has none.
>
> >
>
> > ----------------------------------------------
>
> >
>
> > Here's a perfectly reliable source:
>
> > November 13, 2003
>
> > The (Very) Few, the Proud
>
> > Letter From Brentwood
>
> > BY PHIL SHUMAN
>
>
>
> Got anything more current than a letter from 2003?
>
>
>
> > Phil Shuman is a reporter and substitute anchor for Fox 11 KTTV News.
>
> > He is also hosts news programs for Channel 35's "L.A. Cityview."
>
>
>
> Got anything more current than a letter from 2003, with more validity
>
> than a FOX news reporter? Like maybe 2005?
>
>
>
> 1) Why do you think our percentage of the military has fallen off so
>
> drastically?
>
> 2) What can we do about it, if we should even be concerned?
>
>
>
> Sources:
>
> http://www.jwv.org
>
> http://www.beliefnet.com/story/123/story_12389_1.html
>
> http://www.wfial.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=artGeneral.article_6
>
> http://www.isteve.com/2003_Few_Atheists_In_U.S._Foxholes.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> Shannon Rubin
>
> Posted July 19, 2005 at 2:02 PM
>
>
>
> This is a nice article, thank you for contributing it! I think the
>
> decline may have something to do with where we are fighting. Last year
>
> Jason posted a poll about claiming Judaism on your dog tags. The point
>
> is that many are scared to be in the middle east with “Jew” on their
>
> dog tags, so they may just refuse to admit it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Taiyas
>
> Posted July 20, 2005 at 1:32 AM
>
>
>
> Funny thing about the Jewish Culture, a culture that values
>
> education, laws, and open debates to an extensive degree. When settled
>
> securely (no one has tried to kill them yet) in a meritocrocy, the
>
> members of the Jewish Culture will thrive! Once the jewish families
>
> thrive, and they are two generations removed from being the immigrants
>
> in the ghetto, but are instead the bankers/lawyers/doctors/high class
>
> members of society, they feel like all the other high class members of
>
> society and no longer serve in the armed forces in great numbers. The
>
> United States military is mostly formed of middle and lower class
>
> citizens.
>
>
>
> When the first jewish president of the US is introduced by his
>
> mother, she’ll say, “This is my son… you know, the brother of the
>
> doctor.”
>
> -Taiyas
>
>
>
>
>
> Joshua
>
> Posted July 26, 2005 at 4:29 PM
>
>
>
> Intresting article. I have been in the army for almost nine years.
>
> Durring this time I have run into a fellow Jewish soldier from time to
>
> time. However when I went to 3ID stationed out of Savannah GA is when
>
> I started running into other Jewish Soldiers every time I turn around.
>
> Most of us are officers, however there are some enlisted running
>
> around as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Lt Rubin
>
> Posted July 26, 2005 at 9:54 PM
>
>
>
> The funny thing is that you often don’t know who is a Jew until
>
> something comes up in conversation or at some Jewish event. I lived on
>
> the same street as another Marine for several months and only found
>
> out he is Jewish after I changed duty stations!
>
>
>
> Joshua, I’d be curious to see what the ratio is of enlisted vs.
>
> officer Jews. The officers are usually more visible (lay leaders,
>
> etc.), but I’ve run into a significant number of enlisted Jews, both
>
> in person and via this site. I was prior enlisted, so I guess I count
>
> as both…
>
>
>
>
>
> Rabbi Don Levy
>
> Posted August 17, 2005 at 6:41 AM
>
>
>
> I think that Jews in the military are more under-counted than
>
> under-represented. I speak from 14 years enlisted service in the USN
>
> and now over 9 years as a chaplain in the USAF. Many Jews prefer to
>
> answer “no religious preference” when asked their religion for
>
> statistical purposes. There are a number of reasons for this. Some
>
> think that if they identify as Jews in this way, they will be forced
>
> to carry dog tags that identify themselves as a Jew. (Not so; you can
>
> put whatever religion you want – including none – on your dog tags,
>
> and many Jews have two sets, one with “Jewish” and one for when
>
> they’re in the Arab world with something else.) Others think that the
>
> information will be used on some level to harass or single them out
>
> for conversionary efforts by Christian chaplains. (I’ve never heard of
>
> this happening, although I do use the lists to keep identified Jews
>
> updated about what’s going on for them at the chapel.) The reasons
>
> Steve Sailer of the UPI gives for the Jewish military “under-
>
> representation” may be interesting reading and valid demographic
>
> points, but I honestly think he’s trying to explain a phantom
>
> phenomenon. Track down the hundreds of servicemembers at any base who
>
> are listed on the alpha roster as “no religious preference,” and
>
> you’ll meet far more than a smattering of Jews. Of course, these Jews
>
> will never show up in stats kept by the Dod Manpower Data Center or
>
> the Armed Forces Chaplains Board. I hope this is encouraging, and keep
>
> up the good work all you Jewish warriors out there!
>
>
>
>
>
> The Atheist Jew
>
> Posted September 17, 2005 at 10:04 PM
>
>
>
> I read a stat that stated that 50% of women in the Army are black.
>
> That would mean white America is under represented. It is also true
>
> that blacks and Hispanic Americans are very much over represented in
>
> the Army as far as males go.
>
>
>
> Bottom line, look no farther than socio economic reasons to be the
>
> main reasons Jews are under represented. There is no draft, and the
>
> Army offers a great place for discipline and gratis education.
>
>
>
>
>
> Colonel (Ret.) Jeff Felder
>
> Posted October 25, 2005 at 3:06 PM
>
>
>
> I believe there is another reason which is true for others faiths
>
> as well. That is, Jews tend to live in the major metropolitan areas of
>
> the East and West, which are also under-represented in the military. I
>
> doubt the data have been compiled, but my anecdotal experience is that
>
> uniformed service is proportionately greater among Jews from the
>
> Midwest and South, even among officers. I was something of an oddity
>
> in the late 60s in Philadelphia, but that was not the case for friends
>
> in those other parts of the country. On a more personal note,
>
> Vandebilt AEPi sends officers nearly every year, and it is a very
>
> small chapter.
>
>
>
>
>
> bobbi
>
> Posted October 26, 2005 at 3:26 AM
>
>
>
> The British Army is under-represented also and it is mainly to do
>
> with the parents wanting the “Lawyer/Doctor” thing. However, when im
>
> in Iraq, I am Christian, and i have the dog tags to prove it! I dont
>
> think its a denial of my faith, i think its pure common sense. Things
>
> are bad enough over there and i dont need to make it worse!
>
>
>
> Great article.
>
>
>
>
>
> frank
>
> Posted August 22, 2007 at 1:27 PM
>
>
>
> What is an “atheist jew”?
How the devil does what you posted, make any difference to the fact that Jews are under-represented in the military. Particularly when it comes to the pointy-end of military service.
I find your attacks totally appalling, deceptive, dishonest, racist and downright disturbing.
That you're living in America and taking sustenance from the American system, all the while plotting against your host nation to benefit the rogue, terrorist state of Israel.
You are a traitor to your host nation as are the others posting in this thread who attack the OP.
To say you are scum is being unkind to scum.
> On Aug 6, 12:15 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On 29 jul, 11:36, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 29, 5:23 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
>
> > > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
>
> > > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
>
> > > On Jul 29, 5:23 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's not that I have any reason to doubt his figure, either. As I
>
> > > > said, Jews generally have more attractive options for careers than the
>
> > > > military. You may as well ask why Jews are underrepresented as manual
>
> > > > laborers. It's just stupid, as you are.
>
> >
>
> > > Jeez, drahcir, don't you have anything better to do than ask Hunter
>
> >
>
>
> > > for his sources? You know he has none.
>
> >
>
> > ----------------------------------------------
>
> >
>
> > Here's a perfectly reliable source:
>
> > November 13, 2003
>
> > The (Very) Few, the Proud
>
> > Letter From Brentwood
>
> > BY PHIL SHUMAN
>
>
>
> Got anything more current than a letter from 2003?
>
>
>
> > Phil Shuman is a reporter and substitute anchor for Fox 11 KTTV News.
>
> > He is also hosts news programs for Channel 35's "L.A. Cityview."
>
>
>
> Got anything more current than a letter from 2003, with more validity
>
> than a FOX news reporter? Like maybe 2005?
>
>
>
> 1) Why do you think our percentage of the military has fallen off so
>
> drastically?
>
> 2) What can we do about it, if we should even be concerned?
>
>
>
> Sources:
>
> http://www.jwv.org
>
> http://www.beliefnet.com/story/123/story_12389_1.html
>
> http://www.wfial.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=artGeneral.article_6
>
> http://www.isteve.com/2003_Few_Atheists_In_U.S._Foxholes.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> Shannon Rubin
>
> Posted July 19, 2005 at 2:02 PM
>
>
>
> This is a nice article, thank you for contributing it! I think the
>
> decline may have something to do with where we are fighting. Last year
>
> Jason posted a poll about claiming Judaism on your dog tags. The point
>
> is that many are scared to be in the middle east with “Jew” on their
>
> dog tags, so they may just refuse to admit it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Taiyas
>
> Posted July 20, 2005 at 1:32 AM
>
>
>
> Funny thing about the Jewish Culture, a culture that values
>
> education, laws, and open debates to an extensive degree. When settled
>
> securely (no one has tried to kill them yet) in a meritocrocy, the
>
> members of the Jewish Culture will thrive! Once the jewish families
>
> thrive, and they are two generations removed from being the immigrants
>
> in the ghetto, but are instead the bankers/lawyers/doctors/high class
>
> members of society, they feel like all the other high class members of
>
> society and no longer serve in the armed forces in great numbers. The
>
> United States military is mostly formed of middle and lower class
>
> citizens.
>
>
>
> When the first jewish president of the US is introduced by his
>
> mother, she’ll say, “This is my son… you know, the brother of the
>
> doctor.”
>
> -Taiyas
>
>
>
>
>
> Joshua
>
> Posted July 26, 2005 at 4:29 PM
>
>
>
> Intresting article. I have been in the army for almost nine years.
>
> Durring this time I have run into a fellow Jewish soldier from time to
>
> time. However when I went to 3ID stationed out of Savannah GA is when
>
> I started running into other Jewish Soldiers every time I turn around.
>
> Most of us are officers, however there are some enlisted running
>
> around as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Lt Rubin
>
> Posted July 26, 2005 at 9:54 PM
>
>
>
> The funny thing is that you often don’t know who is a Jew until
>
> something comes up in conversation or at some Jewish event. I lived on
>
> the same street as another Marine for several months and only found
>
> out he is Jewish after I changed duty stations!
>
>
>
> Joshua, I’d be curious to see what the ratio is of enlisted vs.
>
> officer Jews. The officers are usually more visible (lay leaders,
>
> etc.), but I’ve run into a significant number of enlisted Jews, both
>
> in person and via this site. I was prior enlisted, so I guess I count
>
> as both…
>
>
>
>
>
> Rabbi Don Levy
>
> Posted August 17, 2005 at 6:41 AM
>
>
>
> I think that Jews in the military are more under-counted than
>
> under-represented. I speak from 14 years enlisted service in the USN
>
> and now over 9 years as a chaplain in the USAF. Many Jews prefer to
>
> answer “no religious preference” when asked their religion for
>
> statistical purposes. There are a number of reasons for this. Some
>
> think that if they identify as Jews in this way, they will be forced
>
> to carry dog tags that identify themselves as a Jew. (Not so; you can
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> put whatever religion you want – including none – on your dog tags,
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> and many Jews have two sets, one with “Jewish” and one for when
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> they’re in the Arab world with something else.) Others think that the
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> information will be used on some level to harass or single them out
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> for conversionary efforts by Christian chaplains. (I’ve never heard of
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> this happening, although I do use the lists to keep identified Jews
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> updated about what’s going on for them at the chapel.) The reasons
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> Steve Sailer of the UPI gives for the Jewish military “under-
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> representation” may be interesting reading and valid demographic
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> points, but I honestly think he’s trying to explain a phantom
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> phenomenon. Track down the hundreds of servicemembers at any base who
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> are listed on the alpha roster as “no religious preference,” and
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> you’ll meet far more than a smattering of Jews. Of course, these Jews
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> will never show up in stats kept by the Dod Manpower Data Center or
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> the Armed Forces Chaplains Board. I hope this is encouraging, and keep
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> up the good work all you Jewish warriors out there!
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> The Atheist Jew
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> Posted September 17, 2005 at 10:04 PM
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> I read a stat that stated that 50% of women in the Army are black.
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> That would mean white America is under represented. It is also true
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> that blacks and Hispanic Americans are very much over represented in
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> the Army as far as males go.
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> Bottom line, look no farther than socio economic reasons to be the
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> main reasons Jews are under represented. There is no draft, and the
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> Army offers a great place for discipline and gratis education.
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> Colonel (Ret.) Jeff Felder
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> Posted October 25, 2005 at 3:06 PM
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> I believe there is another reason which is true for others faiths
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> as well. That is, Jews tend to live in the major metropolitan areas of
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> the East and West, which are also under-represented in the military. I
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> doubt the data have been compiled, but my anecdotal experience is that
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> uniformed service is proportionately greater among Jews from the
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> Midwest and South, even among officers. I was something of an oddity
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> in the late 60s in Philadelphia, but that was not the case for friends
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> in those other parts of the country. On a more personal note,
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> Vandebilt AEPi sends officers nearly every year, and it is a very
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> small chapter.
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> bobbi
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> Posted October 26, 2005 at 3:26 AM
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> The British Army is under-represented also and it is mainly to do
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> with the parents wanting the “Lawyer/Doctor” thing. However, when im
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> in Iraq, I am Christian, and i have the dog tags to prove it! I dont
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> think its a denial of my faith, i think its pure common sense. Things
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> are bad enough over there and i dont need to make it worse!
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> Great article.
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> frank
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> Posted August 22, 2007 at 1:27 PM
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> What is an “atheist jew”?
How the devil does what you posted, make any difference to the fact that Jews are under-represented in the military. Particularly when it comes to the pointy-end of military service.
I find your attacks totally appalling, deceptive, dishonest, racist and downright disturbing.
That you're living in America and taking sustenance from the American system, all the while plotting against your host nation to benefit the rogue, terrorist state of Israel.
You are a traitor to your host nation as are the others posting in this thread who attack the OP.
To say you are scum is being unkind to scum.
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