ABC Reports new information on the arrest of Kay and Kerry Danes
Kay
arrested in Laos on trumped-up charges of jewel smuggling just before
Christmas, 2000. They received a Presidential pardon and were released
10 months later after enduring terrible conditions and torture. Now Kay
works as an advocate with the Foreign Prisoner Support Service, helping
others who've found themselves in situations like hers.
Listen online...
http://www.abc.net.au/queensland/conversations/stories/s1572646.htm?brisbane
Kay
Nightmare in Laos
Not knowing her husband's fate after he was kidnapped by the secret
police in Laos, Kay Danes gathered her two youngest children and fled
towards Thailand, only to be intercepted by the same ruthless and
corrupt police. Forced into a nightmare of epic proportions, Kay was
wrenched from her children and told she was going to join her husband,
she knew not where. It was then that the real nightmare began.
Held hostage for a year in a gulag, at the mercy of an out-of-control
Communist regime, Kay saw unspeakable human rights violations acted out
each day. She tells of the journey that brought her face to face with
the torture, the struggle for survival and the spirit of those who
endure the horrors of inhuman imprisonment every day in a living hell.
Kay struggled through a year of squalor and degradation in a place
where human rights are practically non-existent.
She drew from the strength and spirit of those around her in order to
survive this hidden hell, while the world media and Australian
government tried desperately to have her and Kerry freed before it was
too late and all hope was lost.
Kay Danes witnessed first hand the horrors of Phonthong prison, a gulag
where people are held at the government's discretion for years on
end, many times without ever being charged, and where the hope that one
day their suffering will be revealed to the world is the only thing
that keeps these forgotten victims alive. This book tells their story.
http://www.maverickhouse.com/books/nightmareinlaos.php
ທ້າວໃຂ່ຫ່ານ
pardons.
If you have a problem with LPDR, you're not gonna help your cause
this way one bit sister, but I guess everyone and their brother have
already told you that and you choose to ignore that fact.
D*mn you're a moron... Oops again.
TKM
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"What you told us you do is admirable, but what you tell us to believe
is foolish."
ທ້າວໃຂ່ຫ່ານ
Kay wrote:
Phi Dung Mo... Dr. pao give you the link here....
http://www.usp.com.au/fpss/prison-phonthong1.html
I'm sorry for the poor quality. It is from a distance because it is
not allowed to take a picture of this kind in laos. Sok dee.
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Kay wrote:
Yes Dr. Souk where are the photo's of the laos prisons that you
promise to post on your web site?????? As far as I know, these photo's
that I got on my site are the most current because no-one has been
able to take any picture of current laos prison. My former lawyer took
the one at Phonthong Prison. He was almost arrested for taking it. LOL
http://www.usp.com.au/fpss/prisoners.html
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Kay wrote:
Australian Government
Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
10 May 2005
Mrs Kay Danes
[Address withheld]
Dear Mrs Danes
Thank you for your letter of 19 April 2005 concerning Lao-Hmong hiding
in the jungle in Laos.
The Australian Government has made considerable efforts to improve the
livelihoods of Hmong living in the remote areas of the country. Members
of our Embassy in Vientiane visit
the area regularly and work closely with organisations such as the
United Nations Development Program, World Food Program [WFP] and
International Red Cross. They have visited villages containing Hmong
who have recently come out of the forest and arranged for blankets and
other humanitarian provisions for those in need. The Australian
Government is also supporting WFP operations in the Xayxomboun Special
Zone, providing rice to alleviate food insecurity problems. The success
of these operations has depended on the projects maintaining a low
profile. The Australian Government would like to ensure that this
framework of cooperation, which is delivering real benefits to the
Hmong in this area, is continued.
The organisations mentioned above are aware of the reports of groups
seeking to leave the forest. They are working closely with Hmong groups
in these areas and will seek to meet the
needs of new arrivals. These arrangements have the highest likelihood
of addressing the needs and providing security to the groups of Hmong
to which you refer.
If you have information about groups of people requiring urgent
humanitarian assistance these organisations may be able to divert
activities to ensure that their immediate needs can be
adequately catered for. You may wish to pass any relevant information
directly to our Embassy in Vientiane for forwarding to contacts within
these organisations.
Regarding your email dated 28 April, I am advised that the Embassy of
the United States has informed our Embassy in Vientiane that it is
aware of the concerns you expressed regarding
consular support for five Hmong prisoners and is reviewing the
available information.
Thank you for bringing your views to the attention of the Government.
Yours sincerely
Frank Ingruber
Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
The R.G. Casey Building
John McEwen Crescent
BARTON A.C.T. 0221
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AND I RESPONDED WITH
Hey Kay! How ya' been? Anyaways, I'm gonna pick on you again...
Frank Ingruber responded to you, "
The success of these operations has
depended on the projects maintaining a low profile
."
...and you post it here for the world to see.
Your lawyer took pictures of the prison and you posted it here for the
world
to see.
I don't know if I'll share any secrets with you...
Anyways, welcome back again.
Si Hahed
ທ້າວໃຂ່ຫ່ານ
55555. I guess that's what it takes to sell a book huh? Still trying
to profit from Laos in every way aren't you?
TKM
ທ້າວໃຂ່ຫ່ານ
I WROTE:
If other countries want to
donate to Laos, than do so without strings attached. Do it with a
clean concience. Don't try to use it to twist anyones arms on how to
behave. That is a separate matter.
Just because you throw your loose change in people's face doesn't give
you the right to expect them to bend over so you can do them in the
rear.
If you are going to donate, do so with dignity and do it without
expectations of any implied (you owe me one).
Anyways, the good people of Oz donated and Laos graciously accepted.
Let's leave it at that.
Somxay
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KAY RESPONDED WITH:
But Chaisone, they donate with strings attached. Nothing is ever for
free no?
drsouk
best!!!
"???????????" <Lao...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1140183833.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
HmongMeo
ligit business in Laos. What if it was you I'm sure all of you would
be singing a different tune. She was there and none of you were so she
is the only credible source in the debate until you are prisoned
yourself.
ທ້າວໃຂ່ຫ່ານ
lies and uses people as you can see in my postings above. She was in
Laos to make money.
She is a profiteer and now wants to profit from her imprisonment by
writing a book that's been trumped up and sensationalized. Her story
gets better each time she tells it.
TKM
Kay
this same story since November 2001 when I returned home to Australia.
Anything I can do to put Laos under the spot light for the violations
it continues to administer to people there, then I feel my duty is
being properly undertaken. As for profiting off Laos, that's rich...
considering my business dealings were in another country [Thailand] and
when you consider that I worked my first five months in Laos for not a
single cent because the money I could have made went to pay the
salaries of Lao guards we engaged then I don't see how I can become
rich off Lao people.
In any case, as usual I will respond 'he who is insecure in his own
position seeks to destroy anothers' credibility'. I don't care what you
call me because those political prisoners I was detained with in
Phonthong said to me then "Madam, do not care what they say about you
because under this regime everyone is guilty but care more that you can
tell others what they have done to us who have only sought freedom for
all people in Laos. Do not forget us or that we struggle still'.
So don't blame me if foreigners want to know these things and are
continually asking me to tell my story..... and if my experiences seem
so unreal to you then don't blame me for that either... for most of the
time when I was in that prison, I thought I was in a Rambo movie too.
It is not I who burnt people's genitals with fire or beat people till
their bones popped out.... it was not I who locked people in small
cells for months on end or persecuted the Hmong for their desire for
freedom, or torture the Laotian who simply wanted a better life.
Cheers!
ທ້າວໃຂ່ຫ່ານ
of Foreign Affairs and Trade’s Mr. Frank Ingruber when you broadcast
his letter for the world to see, when he specifically stated in his
letter, “The success of these operations has depended on the projects
maintaining a low profile.”
It was you who betrayed your lawyer when he risked his life to take
those pictures for you. Kay Danes. “I'm sorry for the poor quality.
It is from a distance because it is not allowed to take a picture of
this kind in Laos.” Kay Danes again, “As far as I know, these
photo's that I got on my site are the most current because no-one has
been able to take any picture of current Laos prison. My former lawyer
took the one at Phonthong Prison. He was almost arrested for taking it.
LOL”
It was you who stated that, “But Chaisone, they donate with strings
attached. Nothing is ever for free no?”
Those are your own words… You betrayed people who trusted you. You
have jeopardized other people’s welfare for your own interest on many
occasions (in your own words no less). You clearly states that nothing
is ever for free.
Everything that I have stated above is all true, Ms. Danes, they all
come from you and only you. You published Frank Ingruber's letter here
when he asked you not to. You told wveryone you stabbed your lawyer in
the back in SCL. You told everyone that Australia donated to Laos with
strings attached. I didn't make any of these up Ms. Danes, You gave
all these to me. You contradicted yourself here. I didn't seek these
out, you gave them all to us here in SCL. You can't keep a secret, you
have a big mouth and you want attention. It is very clear for all to
see and understand. Everything I have ever learned about you is from
SCL.
Yes I still conclude that you are not credible, you are self-centered,
self-promoting (every time you show your face in here), an opportunist
and a profiteer. If the shoe fits, wear it.
TKM
ອີ່ລຸງທອງວັນ
Go do business somewhere else.
I hate Communism the most, but I hate foreigners who tried to steal
from poor countries more.
Kay
out of context because you seek to discredit me. But I am not at all
troubled because the main point I will always continue to make that you
can never deny is the fact that there are people detained in Laos who
are held in violation to their rights, to the UN Charters, to the
Geneva Convention. Say what you want about me... but I will always
argue passionately that you have done nothing to ever spare a thought
for anyone but yourself or seeking to destroy others in SCL.
You mention nothing of those poor souls left in the prisons who have no
sentence and no idea what they have 'officially' done against the
state. They are just left there to suffer. You cannot even call them a
criminal because they have never been charged with a crime.
Poor Laos indeed that it must continue to be led by ignorant people and
those without compassion for their fellow man.
Kay
Foreign Affairs and Trade's Mr. Frank Ingruber .... what a load of
crap! Do you not understand that letters written on letter head are not
'secret letters'. Our government wouldn't write something to me on a
letter head if it didn't expect it to be public somewhere. The response
from Frank Ingruber was for public comment and he was aware of that
fact. You are simply misquoting out of context on things you know
nothing about. A typical Lao Deng response/approach to issues.
The success of the operations he was talking about was in relation to
the Australian Government's liaison with Laos. He wasn't telling me to
tip toe around and keep anything secret. Perhaps you ought to come here
on a scholorship like all those other Lao Deng's children so that they
can become more educated and less ignorant.
As for stabbing my then lawyer in the back, I make no apologies since
he was not everything that he proclaimed to be. He can return to his
friends in the Lao Deng community and make whatever dollars he wants.
I too do not support foreigners stealing from Laos or cheating others.
ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ
ທ້າວໃຂ່ຫ່ານ wrote:
> of Foreign Affairs and Trade’s Mr. Frank Ingruber when you broadcast
> his letter for the world to see, when he specifically stated in his
> letter, “The success of these operations has depended on the projects
> maintaining a low profile.”
>
you claim to protect.
>
> It was you who betrayed your lawyer when he risked his life to take
> those pictures for you. Kay Danes. “I'm sorry for the poor quality.
> It is from a distance because it is not allowed to take a picture of
> this kind in Laos.” Kay Danes again, “As far as I know, these
> photo's that I got on my site are the most current because no-one has
> been able to take any picture of current Laos prison. My former lawyer
> took the one at Phonthong Prison. He was almost arrested for taking it.
> LOL”
>
> It was you who stated that, “But Chaisone, they donate with strings
> attached. Nothing is ever for free no?”
> Those are your own words… You betrayed people who trusted you. You
> have jeopardized other people’s welfare for your own interest on many
> occasions (in your own words no less). You clearly states that nothing
> is ever for free.
>
this and meant this.
>
> Everything that I have stated above is all true, Ms. Danes, they all
> come from you and only you. You published Frank Ingruber's letter here
> when he asked you not to. You told wveryone you stabbed your lawyer in
> the back in SCL. You told everyone that Australia donated to Laos with
> strings attached. I didn't make any of these up Ms. Danes, You gave
> all these to me. You contradicted yourself here. I didn't seek these
> out, you gave them all to us here in SCL. You can't keep a secret, you
> have a big mouth and you want attention. It is very clear for all to
> see and understand. Everything I have ever learned about you is from
> SCL.
>
highlighting was has transpired here in SCL.
>
> Yes I still conclude that you are not credible, you are self-centered,
> self-promoting (every time you show your face in here), an opportunist
> and a profiteer. If the shoe fits, wear it.
>
are a criminal, you were a criminal prisoner, tried and convicted in a
court of law, you were not treated any worse than any other prisoners
by
the Lao government. The guards did not torture you nor were they more
"mean" to you than they were with any other prisoners.
>
> TKM
ອີ່ລຸງທອງວັນ
thanks to you uncle.
paxas...@yahoo.com
Kay Dane and her husband were the thieves & criminal and they are now
an ennemy of the state . She run her mouth around just to save her face
and make money .
Only very small group of patikane on her side who care about them . A
bitch will always be a bitch .
PXL4LIFE.
Mimo
I was here, i am here still. no one will get cought for nothing in
LPDR, especially foreigners from rich countries.
The government of the white will always try to help bring back their
citizens comitting criminal act abraod but this does not mean that you
did no wrong.
Singapore should be the example how to treat criminals, no pardon as it
happend with an American few years ago and Australian recently , rule
of Law should be maintianed.
Sokdee
improved their prison so that it wouldn't look like cook kee kai.
Someone I know got locked up for two years for beated up some high
ranking official's son. The prison was so bad that its almost kill
him. His mom had to bring him food almost everyday, if not there would
be nothing for him to eat.
thanouxay
Please do not disturb. Don't you think that it is appreciable
information she gave?
Sok dee
Kay
someone talks about prison conditions in Laos. 5555
Kay
I am a criminal. I am not aruging that point here. The letter from
Frank Ingruber should not offend anyone in here. It clearly shows that
there is a good cooperation between Laos and Australia in assisting
those seeking to repatriate. It was a response given to my questions
raised to him after hearing all the rumours of genocide. So I don't
know what these people in here are saying is wrong with revealing some
letter that was meant for the broader community and the organisations
concerned about the Hmong.
I am glad that you Thanouxay, despite our past disagreements, can at
least distinguish between these matters.
thanouxay
ຍັງໂງ່ງ່າວປານຄວາຍນໍ້
ອີ່ນາງມືງເອີ້ຍ.
ຈັ່ງແມ່ນນໍ້ພວກໂຈນ500ນີ້ໜ້າ.
ໜຸ່ມ...ທ່າຫີນ
icome home.
kho chao anou.
HmongMeo
Many Hmong disapears for a few days after being summon by a communist
official. Laters shows up dead. We probaly will never know about
these crimes committed by the state until Laos becomes a free country
and those that have committed those crime are brought to justice in an
International court.
SYS
If ever you go to Minnesota for any cause for the Laotian people, don't
forget to stop by at the night clubs of Dara Thai and Asian Cuisine,
where a number of divoced Hmong/Lao men/women will be waiting to hear
your story about LPDR prisons and prisonners. They will be happy to
help you catch all the time your had lost in the LPDR jails.
SYS
thanouxay
Do not forget to ring me up or send me an e-mail. We will have a very
good time drinking beer Lao.
Sok dee
Kay
Kay
some who went back to Laos under the repatriation program and then they
ended up in the jails or dissapeared. So much for 'welcome home'. :-(