Re: Is ACORN Stealing The Election?
Spartakus
> Is ACORN Stealing The Election?
No.
The party screaming the loudest about "voter fraud" (that would be the
GOP) is up to its eyeballs in efforts to deprive citizens of their
right to vote. In Michigan, for example, they tried to challenge the
voting credentials of people whose homes were in foreclosure. In
Montana, they tried to purge the voter lists of 6000 names, almost all
of whom were law-abiding citizens who had voted in the same precincts
for decades.
The reality is, Ray, that the ***GOP*** is trying to steal the
election.
Beepath Skyclad Loneflight
wrote:
> Is ACORN Stealing The Election?
>
> Election Fraud: A radical group Barack Obama used to work for is committing
> voter-registration fraud in several states, ahead of the election. What does
> Obama know about this scam?
>
> It's a legitimate question to raise now that the FBI has raided the offices of
> the nonprofit Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now in Nevada
> and North Carolina, two states where Obama and John McCain are running
> neck-and-neck. ACORN has registered bogus voters in both states.
>
> The group's voter-registration fraud is rampant, and authorities plan a
> nationwide sweep of ACORN offices to collect records.
>
> In Nevada, state officials say the fraudulent registrations included forms for
> the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team, including quarterback
> Tony Romo.
>
> "Romo is not registered to vote in the state of Nevada," Secretary of State Ross
> Miller said, "and anybody trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast
> a ballot on Nov. 4."
>
> While those names will be flagged on Election Day, felonious voters may have
> better luck using other cutouts. Nevada, along with several other key
> battleground states, requires no ID to vote.
>
> In North Carolina, where Obama has been running nonstop ads, ACORN has
> registered a record number of new voters, many of them suspicious. Statewide,
> Democrats are doing better than the GOP in new converts — even in traditionally
> Republican counties.
>
> There have been 218,749 newly registered Democrats in North Carolina since
> January — more than five times the 38,337 new Republicans, state records show.
>
> The numbers show a startlingly close political battle even in
> Republican-dominated Union County, with 4,233 new voters registering as
> Democrats and 4,362 as Republicans. In previous election years, new Republicans
> have outnumbered Democrats 2-to-1 in the fast-growing Charlotte-area county.
>
> In Missouri, one ACORN registrant named Monica Rays showed up on no less than
> eight forms, all bearing the same signature.
>
> Suspicious election officials sent letters to some 5,000 ACORN registrants in
> St. Louis, asking the letter recipients to contact them.
>
> Fewer than 40 reponded.
>
> In Kansas City, 15,000 registrations have been questioned, and last year four
> ACORN employees were indicted for fraud.
>
> In addition, ACORN officials have also been indicted in Wisconsin and Colorado.
> Investigations against others are active in Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and
> Tennessee.
>
> ACORN has also been registering convicted felons — including inmates — in
> Florida and other battleground states. ACORN boasts registering a record 1.5
> million new voters so far this election.
>
> What does all this have to do with Obama, besides the fact that he'd be the
> beneficiary of most, if not all, of these new votes?
>
> For starters, Obama paid ACORN, which has endorsed him for president, $800,000
> to register new voters, payments his campaign failed to accurately report. (They
> were disguised in his FEC disclosure as payments to a front group called Citizen
> Services Inc. for "advance work.")
>
> What's more, Obama worked as executive director of ACORN's voter-registration
> arm, Project Vote, in 1992. Joined by two other community organizers on
> Chicago's South Side, Obama conducted the voter-registration drive that helped
> elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the Senate that year.
>
> The next year, 1993, Obama joined the civil-rights law firm Davis Miner Barnhill
> & Galland, where he sued the state of Illinois on behalf of ACORN to implement
> the federal "Motor Voter" law, which the GOP governor at the time refused to do.
> Then-Gov. Jim Edgar argued, presciently, that the Clinton law would invite voter
> fraud.
>
> Obama downplays his ties to ACORN, and his campaign denies coordinating with
> ACORN to register voters.
>
> Meantime, New Orleans-based ACORN maintains that it has no control over
> volunteers who are falsifying application forms, that they're like employees who
> steal from the store.
>
> But the fraud is widespread and not isolated. It also turns out that some ACORN
> execs allegedly are involved in a $1 million embezzlement cover-up at their
> headquarters. Representing them in the case is none other than Michelle Obama's
> old law firm in Chicago.
>
> ACORN's corruption is not just out in the field, as they claim. There's a
> pattern of corruption from the top down.
>
> McCain would be wise to start preparing a challenge to voter registration rolls
> should he lose the race in a close contest. He'd be crazy not to contest the
> results in light of these events.
>
> http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308358130652174#
>
> ACORN is a dangerous org and their operations should be suspended until they
> have been fully investigated and their operations made fully transparent!
>
> What say you?
>
> Ray
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind - To take a stand, to draw the line
> To speak my heart and bare my soul - I don't like lies! - I'd rather know the truth!
> what say you? What say you?
> -Tritt Travis
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I had an appointment with ACORN today to find out what they were
about. Being low-income (Social Security) I wanted to see how they
could help me. Well, Ray, I don't know how you would consider ACORN a
dangerous group except to wonder if you're not one of the
"comfortable" folks out there in America who knows where your next
meal is coming from and have a roof over your head. Any muck you right-
wingers can come up with is understandable if a bit elitist. I've been
paid to register people to vote, and I assure you, the company I was
hired by carefully reviewed the information before I was paid. Yes, a
handful of scum are always going to be fraudulently filling out
registration forms.
When Guliani stood at that podium and ridiculed Obama for being a
community organizer, "Mr. 9/11" should have been scorned for his
ignorance. He was, after all, talking to you True Believers, so he
had a captive audience, didn't he? Shouldn't all politicians have
community organizing somewhere on their resumes? Instead, hacks like
Guliani are known for the indecency of trying to move his mistress
into the governor's mansion and keeping an apartment within the shadow
of the WTC where he and his buddies could entertain hookers? If you
neocons would be more critical of your own heroes, we'd all be better
of.
Why, in all that is holy, would you be so critical of a service that
exists to help people and somehow believe that this is somehow
subversive behavior? I'm sure the same slop was hurled at Jane Addams
and her Hull House. Ignorance is contempt prior to investigation.
I will never understand why McCain/Palin, who are so in lock-step with
a dead horse president, like dimson, with a 25% approval rating can
be involved by any measure in something like a "close race." You
neocons are truly the brown-shirts of this era. No one could be more
dangerous.
Beepath Skyclad Loneflight
So true! The machine was fine-tuned by Poppy Bush and those cretins do
not want people to vote, That's how St. Ronnie got in and was so
teflon. Hell, I vote just in case it matters.
ObKY20
"Beepath Skyclad Loneflight" <isisho...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:22a79ff1-c3e7-4e68...@a18g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
Oh brother, the line "any much you right-wingers can come up with" made me
laugh.
Reading these newsgroups, especially alt.politics where I am usually found,
you will find
TONS of "muck" dug up by the lefty socialist liberals.
Face the facts: Acorn got caught on this one and liberals are going to be in
full swing trying
to do damage control and lie for their precious liberal organization.
Fact: Liberal socialist can't admit fault
Fact: Liberals will lie
Fact: Liberals will bury their heads in the sand when it comes to their
precious parties being exposed.
Just watch the lefties, including what you just typed, to see I am right.
Want to know more about this illegal activity committed by this liberal
organization?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html
Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials say
...
The group -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or
ACORN -- already faces allegations of filing fraudulent voter registrations
in Nevada and faces investigations in other states.
...
"ACORN, with its intent, perhaps was good in the beginning, but went awry
somewhere," LaSota said.
Over the past four years, a dozen states have investigated complaints of
fraudulent registrations filed by ACORN. On Tuesday, Nevada authorities
raided an ACORN office in Las Vegas, Nevada, where workers are accused of
registering members of the Dallas Cowboys football team. And the group has
become the target of Republican attacks on voter fraud, a perennial GOP
issue.
...
A subsidiary of the group was paid $800,000 by Democratic presidential
candidate Barack Obama's campaign to register voters for the 2008 primaries,
and ACORN's political wing endorsed Obama back in February. But Obama's
campaign told CNN that it "is committed to protecting the integrity of the
voting process," and said it has not worked with ACORN during the general
election.
...
CNN was unable to reach ACORN officials in Gary and in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
where the group's Indiana operation is based. Offices in both cities were
empty when reporters visited.
ObKY20
The more that comes out on this story, the more it's apparent the liberals
got caught red handed.
impssd
wrote:
> Is ACORN Stealing The Election?
You have got to be kidding!!!
Alpa Chino
<ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
ACORN has nothing to do with "liberals" or "conservatives." They are
an independent group.
Alpa Chino
<ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> Fact: Liberal socialist can't admit fault
> Fact: Liberals will lie
> Fact: Liberals will bury their heads in the sand when it comes to their
> precious parties being exposed.
Your really have a lot of hate in you. You and Chilton should get
together.
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Alpa Chino <alpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ObKY20 <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
>> Fact: Liberal socialist can't admit fault
>> Fact: Liberals will lie
>> Fact: Liberals will bury their heads in the sand when it comes
>> to their precious parties being exposed.
> Your really have a lot of hate in you. You and Chilton should get
> together.
Robert Hesihman and I have very LITTLE in common. That's
why he and I decided to declare a truce, many years ago.
So -- there's someone ELSE in here whose name is Chilton?
First I've ever heard anything about that.
As for me, I am a social liberal -- an egalitarian. And we are
DEDICATED to **opposing** hatefulnes and bigotry (such as the
lemmings and leaders of the loathsome RRR Cult exhibit and
promote) -- and DEFEND and SUPPORT personal liberties.
Do YOU stand for anything that worthwhile?
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
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ObKY20
"Alpa Chino" <alpa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:111020081353159257%alpa...@gmail.com...
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6968
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a
grassroots political organization that grew out of George Wiley's National
Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), whose members in the late 1960s and
early 70s invaded welfare offices across the U.S. -- often violently --
bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law
"entitled" them. In the late 1960s, ACORN co-founder Wade Rathke was a NWRO
organizer and a protegé of Wiley. Rathke also organized draft resistance for
the militant group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) during the same
period.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html
ObKY20
No, I see things for what they are and it's so evident reading the liberals
postings in here that I'm dead on.
If you can't handle the truth, don't ask.
Oh, and for the record, I don't fancy to hard right wingers either. They
are just as bad.
Alpa Chino
<ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
I'm aware of that. A liberal paying an organization money to work for
him doesn't make the organization liberal. And that was the primaries.
Alpa Chino
<ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> "Alpa Chino" <alpa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:111020081354203147%alpa...@gmail.com...
> > In article <Baydnc5fycIfwHLV...@comcast.com>, ObKY20
> > <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Fact: Liberal socialist can't admit fault
> >> Fact: Liberals will lie
> >> Fact: Liberals will bury their heads in the sand when it comes to their
> >> precious parties being exposed.
> >
> > Your really have a lot of hate in you. You and Chilton should get
> > together.
>
> No, I see things for what they are and it's so evident reading the liberals
> postings in here that I'm dead on.
> If you can't handle the truth, don't ask.
Offer the truth. Lets see if I can handle it.
>
> Oh, and for the record, I don't fancy to hard right wingers either. They
> are just as bad.
Well, for the record, you sound like a right wing Kool Aid drinker.
Alpa Chino
Chilton¸.·´¯ <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:54:20 -0700,
> Alpa Chino <alpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ObKY20 <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> Fact: Liberal socialist can't admit fault
> >> Fact: Liberals will lie
> >> Fact: Liberals will bury their heads in the sand when it comes
> >> to their precious parties being exposed.
>
> > Your really have a lot of hate in you. You and Chilton should get
> > together.
>
> Robert Hesihman and I have very LITTLE in common. That's
> why he and I decided to declare a truce, many years ago.
>
> So -- there's someone ELSE in here whose name is Chilton?
> First I've ever heard anything about that.
>
> As for me, I am a social liberal -- an egalitarian. And we are
> DEDICATED to **opposing** hatefulnes and bigotry (such as the
> lemmings and leaders of the loathsome RRR Cult exhibit and
> promote) -- and DEFEND and SUPPORT personal liberties.
>
> Do YOU stand for anything that worthwhile?
Yeah - I do. And it isn't the idea of throwing immigrants out of
America.
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Alpa Chino <alpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
> Loathsome Agendas!" <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Alpa Chino <alpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Robert Heishman ("ObKY20") <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
>>>> Fact: Liberal socialist can't admit fault
>>>> Fact: Liberals will lie
>>>> Fact: Liberals will bury their heads in the sand when it comes
>>>> to their precious parties being exposed.
>>> Your really have a lot of hate in you. You and Chilton should
>>> get together.
>> Robert Hesihman and I have very LITTLE in common. That's
>> why he and I decided to declare a truce, many years ago.
>>
>> So -- there's someone ELSE in here whose name is Chilton?
>> First I've ever heard anything about that.
>>
>> As for me, I am a social liberal -- an egalitarian. And we are
>> DEDICATED to **opposing** hatefulnes and bigotry (such as the
>> lemmings and leaders of the loathsome RRR Cult exhibit and
>> promote) -- and DEFEND and SUPPORT personal liberties.
>>
>> Do YOU stand for anything that worthwhile?
> Yeah - I do. And it isn't the idea of throwing immigrants out of
> America.
Neither would I. I would be outraged at the thought of throwing ANY
non-criminal immigrant out of America.
Of course, NO *immigrant* is an ILLEGAL alien who SNEAKED into
the country. THEY are federal law-breakers. Intentional and blatant
ones, and they are without excuse. THOSE jerks ALL need to *return*
to their homelands -- that they never should have left in the first place.
"Immigrant" is an HONORABLE term that applies ONLY to the people
who followed the rules, OBEYED the laws, and worked hard to EARN their
immigrant status. It is the *only* process by which people should come to
America to live, thus allowing for population increase at a reasonable and
controlled rate.
The continued presence in America of any ILLEGAL alien *diminishes*
the hard work and honest efforts of ALL legitimate IMMIGRANTS, and
is figuratively a very hard and vicious slap in the face to them. ILLEGAL
aliens are without excuse.
See SIG, for more about this.
So again -- DO you stand for anything worthwhile? If so, you
haven't told us what it is yet.
-- Craig Chilton
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
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(5) Throughout our history, tens of millions of people have
worked HARD to EARN residency and citizenship here.
(a) CRIMINALS should NEVER be *rewarded* for being
criminals.
(b) According LEGAL status to ILLEGAL, criminal aliens
without their INSTEAD applying for it through proper
channels and EARNING it would be a massive **insult**
to the millions who did it the RIGHT and LEGAL way.
(6) Urge your Congressperson to SUPPORT H.R. 1940.
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Alpa Chino
Chilton¸.·´¯ <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Right. Kind of like when people say they only object to illegal
abortions and want to make all abortions illegal, claiming they are not
"pro-life."
>
> Of course, NO *immigrant* is an ILLEGAL alien who SNEAKED into
> the country. THEY are federal law-breakers. Intentional and blatant
> ones, and they are without excuse. THOSE jerks ALL need to *return*
> to their homelands -- that they never should have left in the first place.
And as I've said before, that is the same attitude the South had about
blacks. They couldn't vote, use public facilities, etc., because it
was illegal. The southerners only wanted blacks who followed the law -
just as you only want immigrants to do.
>
> "Immigrant" is an HONORABLE term that applies ONLY to the people
> who followed the rules, OBEYED the laws, and worked hard to EARN their
> immigrant status. It is the *only* process by which people should come to
> America to live, thus allowing for population increase at a reasonable and
> controlled rate.
Kind of like, "Negro is an HONORABLE term that applies ONLY to the
people who followed the rules, OBEYED the laws, and worked hard to EARN
their negro status. It is the *only* process by which blacks should
come to America to live, thus allowing for population increase at a
reasonable and controlled rate."
>
> The continued presence in America of any ILLEGAL alien *diminishes*
> the hard work and honest efforts of ALL legitimate IMMIGRANTS, and
> is figuratively a very hard and vicious slap in the face to them. ILLEGAL
> aliens are without excuse.
Yeah - "and the continued presence in America of any ILLEGAL negro
*diminishes* the hard work and honest efforts of ALL legitimate NEGROS,
and is figuratively a very hard and vicious slap in the face to them.
ILLEGAL negros are without excuse."
>
> See SIG, for more about this.
>
> So again -- DO you stand for anything worthwhile? If so, you
> haven't told us what it is yet.
I stand for an America where we value freedom, civil liberties, and due
process. I stand for an America where the fact that torture, wire
tapping, denial of trial, attorneys, and due process are now legal
doesn't mean we should do it. I stand for an America where we don't
label things "illegal" to cover up our bigotry, racism, and hatred. I
stand for an America where people really do have equal treatment
regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin. And most
importantly, I stand for an America where we value and uphold these
things even when it isn't popular and convenient.
Labeling something as "illegal" doesn't make your racist beliefs
acceptable. Just ask Rosa Parks. What she did was illegal, too.
But, I don't expect you to understand - your bigotry is too deep.
Instead, I just expect you to die, and hopefully a new, more tolerant
American will take your place. Maybe a Mexican who came here looking
for what America stood for before bigots like you became so prevalent.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe
free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the
homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
- the Statute of Liberty
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Don't give up your day job to go into the analogy-writing business.
>> Of course, NO *immigrant* is an ILLEGAL alien who SNEAKED into
>> the country. THEY are federal law-breakers. Intentional and blatant
>> ones, and they are without excuse. THOSE jerks ALL need to *return*
>> to their homelands -- that they never should have left in the first place.
> And as I've said before, that is the same attitude the South had about
> blacks. They couldn't vote, use public facilities, etc., because it was illegal.
> The southerners only wanted blacks who followed the law - just as you only
> want immigrants to do.
Ludicrous. You REALLY need to keep your day job.
>> "Immigrant" is an HONORABLE term that applies ONLY to the people
>> who followed the rules, OBEYED the laws, and worked hard to EARN their
>> immigrant status. It is the *only* process by which people should come to
>> America to live, thus allowing for population increase at a reasonable and
>> controlled rate.
> Kind of like, "Negro is an HONORABLE term that applies ONLY to the
> people who followed the rules, OBEYED the laws, and worked hard to EARN
> their negro status. It is the *only* process by which blacks should
> come to America to live, thus allowing for population increase at a
> reasonable and controlled rate."
You're becoming more nonsensical by the minute. CLUE: America's
immigration laws are totally REASONABLE. To *become* an immigrant,
instead on an ILLEGAL alien, all a person needs to do is OBEY them and
earn immigrant status properly. ILLEGAL aliens are spitting in America's
face, instead.
>> The continued presence in America of any ILLEGAL alien *diminishes*
>> the hard work and honest efforts of ALL legitimate IMMIGRANTS, and
>> is figuratively a very hard and vicious slap in the face to them. ILLEGAL
>> aliens are without excuse.
> Yeah - "and the continued presence in America of any ILLEGAL negro
> *diminishes* the hard work and honest efforts of ALL legitimate NEGROS,
> and is figuratively a very hard and vicious slap in the face to them.
> ILLEGAL negros are without excuse."
CLUTCH at those straws, guy! There is NOTHING analogous in what
you are saying, and you are FAST proving to everyone that you can't
comprehend the very BASIC and sensible points I'm making. Is living in
denial some sort of hobby for you, or do you get off on dishonesty?
>> See SIG, for more about this.
>>
>> So again -- DO you stand for anything worthwhile? If so, you
>> haven't told us what it is yet.
> I stand for an America where we value freedom, civil liberties,
> and due process.
...even if up to 18 million people don't give a rat's ass for our
laws, and make a mockery of our criminal justice system. And get
away with it. (So much for due process.)
> I stand for an America where the fact that torture, wire tapping,
> denial of trial, attorneys, and due process are now legal doesn't
> mean we should do it.
I agree with you on that 100%. So here we are -- 285 million
people strong (just counting the ones who at least didn't flout our
laws by SNEAKING in) -- and we're such a nation of SHEEPLE that
we just sit back and keep allowing that to happen. Hell, we can't
even stop Congress from RIPPING US ALL OFF to the tune of a
$700 Billion Big SWINDLE!!
> I stand for an America where we don't label things "illegal" to
> cover up our bigotry, racism, and hatred.
You are SO hung up on CODDLING criminals that are totally
without excuse and have NO right to even BE in this country that
you even LIE to do so.
> I stand for an America where people really do have equal treat-
> ment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin. And most
> importantly, I stand for an America where we value and uphold
> these things even when it isn't popular and convenient.
So do I -- to the constant despair of the clueless and hateful
RRR Cultists. America's Taliban can't stand that I knock ALL of
their specious and vacuous agendas out of the park with a base-
ball bat labelled, "FACTS."
> Labeling something as "illegal" doesn't make your racist beliefs
> acceptable.
I'm about the LEAST racist person you'll ever run across. There
is NO excuse for being an ILLEGAL alien, and I would be saying that
just as strongly if ALL of them were CANADIANS. (And just for the
record, I went to college in Mexico City, and had my room and board
with a wonderful Mexican family.)
> Just ask Rosa Parks. What she did was illegal, too.
Yeah. She broke a very HATEFUL law. (UNlike the illegal aliens,
who break *reasonable* ones.) Rosa and I could have been friends.
She did the reverse of something that I just BARELY didn't have the
guts to actually do. On my first trip to the South, in January, 1960
(having hitch-hiked there from Iowa while in college, on a weekend),
I got onto a city bus in Memphis. It was clearly segregated. I came
within a *hair's-breadth* of sitting down in the back of the bus with
the blacks -- but chickened out at the last second. My NOT having
done that haunts me to this day. How I WISH I'd actually DONE that
reverse protest! If ONLY I could have the chance to go back in
time and do that RIGHT!!
That led to my being a Civil Rights worker in Jackson. Mississippi
a couple of summers later. But THAT place was so HOSTILE to us
"Northern agitator-n**-lovers," I actually had my life threatened there
for doing far LESS to rile them!
> But, I don't expect you to understand - your bigotry is too deep.
IGNORANCE obviously is your long suit.
> Instead, I just expect you to die, and hopefully a new, more
> tolerant American will take your place.
No one who would take my place could be MORE tolerant than I am.
But not to worry... if I live as long as my parents did, I'll be around to
harass the bigots for decades yet. By which time, hopefully, bigotry
will be history.
> Maybe a Mexican who came here... <LIE-snip>
...LEGALLY, as ALL actual **immigrants** have done.
> "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to
> breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these,
> the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden
> door!"
> - the Statute of Liberty
NONE of which precludes an orderly and sensible PROCESS for
immigration. And people coming here who have RESPECT for this
country and its laws FOLLOW that process.
Alpa Chino
Chilton¸.·´¯ <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Not very good at supporting your position are you?
>
> >> Of course, NO *immigrant* is an ILLEGAL alien who SNEAKED into
> >> the country. THEY are federal law-breakers. Intentional and blatant
> >> ones, and they are without excuse. THOSE jerks ALL need to *return*
> >> to their homelands -- that they never should have left in the first place.
>
> > And as I've said before, that is the same attitude the South had about
> > blacks. They couldn't vote, use public facilities, etc., because it was
> > illegal.
> > The southerners only wanted blacks who followed the law - just as you only
> > want immigrants to do.
>
> Ludicrous. You REALLY need to keep your day job.
Gee, what a great come back. Is this all you have? I take it it's
not going to get any better than this.
>
> >> "Immigrant" is an HONORABLE term that applies ONLY to the people
> >> who followed the rules, OBEYED the laws, and worked hard to EARN their
> >> immigrant status. It is the *only* process by which people should come to
> >> America to live, thus allowing for population increase at a reasonable and
> >> controlled rate.
>
> > Kind of like, "Negro is an HONORABLE term that applies ONLY to the
> > people who followed the rules, OBEYED the laws, and worked hard to EARN
> > their negro status. It is the *only* process by which blacks should
> > come to America to live, thus allowing for population increase at a
> > reasonable and controlled rate."
>
> You're becoming more nonsensical by the minute. CLUE: America's
> immigration laws are totally REASONABLE.
Just as the southerners believed that the laws against blacks were
perfectly reasonable. Not only are you a bigot, you're a joke.
> To *become* an immigrant,
> instead on an ILLEGAL alien, all a person needs to do is OBEY them and
> earn immigrant status properly.
And I take it you find some comfort in believing that there's a way
that you're not really discriminating against these people.
> ILLEGAL aliens are spitting in America's
> face, instead.
Kind of like the "niggers" did, right?
>
> >> The continued presence in America of any ILLEGAL alien *diminishes*
> >> the hard work and honest efforts of ALL legitimate IMMIGRANTS, and
> >> is figuratively a very hard and vicious slap in the face to them. ILLEGAL
> >> aliens are without excuse.
>
> > Yeah - "and the continued presence in America of any ILLEGAL negro
> > *diminishes* the hard work and honest efforts of ALL legitimate NEGROS,
> > and is figuratively a very hard and vicious slap in the face to them.
> > ILLEGAL negros are without excuse."
>
> CLUTCH at those straws, guy!
LOL! You sure are bad at this.
> There is NOTHING analogous in what
> you are saying, and you are FAST proving to everyone that you can't
> comprehend the very BASIC and sensible points I'm making. Is living in
> denial some sort of hobby for you, or do you get off on dishonesty?
Isn't it amazing how you just make conclusions, and support nothing at
all. If you think there is nothing analogous about this why don't you
demonstrate that instead of just coming up with the stupid unsupported
conclusions.
>
> >> See SIG, for more about this.
> >>
> >> So again -- DO you stand for anything worthwhile? If so, you
> >> haven't told us what it is yet.
>
> > I stand for an America where we value freedom, civil liberties,
> > and due process.
>
> ...even if up to 18 million people don't give a rat's ass for our
> laws, and make a mockery of our criminal justice system. And get
> away with it. (So much for due process.)
Apparently you have no idea what do process means. What a surprise.
Further, isn't that about the number of Jews in Germany during the late
30's that didn't give a rats ass about German laws? Of course, Chilton
feels he (and Adolph Hitler) decide what groups of people are unworthy
to live in their respective countries.
Maybe those "18 million people" don't find the immigration laws
reasonable. Now what? Check with Chilton, first?
>
> > I stand for an America where the fact that torture, wire tapping,
> > denial of trial, attorneys, and due process are now legal doesn't
> > mean we should do it.
>
> I agree with you on that 100%.
Really? Why is that? You seem to think that all we have to do is
make something illegal and that makes it acceptable.
> So here we are -- 285 million
> people strong (just counting the ones who at least didn't flout our
> laws by SNEAKING in) -- and we're such a nation of SHEEPLE that
> we just sit back and keep allowing that to happen. Hell, we can't
> even stop Congress from RIPPING US ALL OFF to the tune of a
> $700 Billion Big SWINDLE!!
Let me guess, it's the illegal immigrant's fault.
>
> > I stand for an America where we don't label things "illegal" to
> > cover up our bigotry, racism, and hatred.
>
> You are SO hung up on CODDLING criminals that are totally
> without excuse and have NO right to even BE in this country that
> you even LIE to do so.
Just as the "niggers" were criminals, I suppose.
>
> > I stand for an America where people really do have equal treat-
> > ment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin. And most
> > importantly, I stand for an America where we value and uphold
> > these things even when it isn't popular and convenient.
>
> So do I -- to the constant despair of the clueless and hateful
> RRR Cultists.
Except when it comes to immigrants. Then you are leading the pack.
> America's Taliban can't stand that I knock ALL of
> their specious and vacuous agendas out of the park with a base-
> ball bat labelled, "FACTS."
So why the intolerance for immigrants? ANd don't give me that "it's
illegal" bullshit. It was illegal for Rosa Parks to refuse to give up
her seat. You find the laws that discriminate against immigrants
acceptable - just like the bigoted southerners. Perhaps you should
stop with the knee jerk defensive moves and really ask yourself if you
are doing exactly what they did - because you are.
>
> > Labeling something as "illegal" doesn't make your racist beliefs
> > acceptable.
>
> I'm about the LEAST racist person you'll ever run across.
So you say.
> There
> is NO excuse for being an ILLEGAL alien, and I would be saying that
> just as strongly if ALL of them were CANADIANS. (And just for the
> record, I went to college in Mexico City, and had my room and board
> with a wonderful Mexican family.)
That doesn't cut it.
>
> > Just ask Rosa Parks. What she did was illegal, too.
>
> Yeah. She broke a very HATEFUL law. (UNlike the illegal aliens,
> who break *reasonable* ones.)
Apparently, you are a bigot, and not very bright. Are you the one that
decides which laws are reasonable? Many people in the South believed
the laws there were reasonable. Jim Crow laws was considered to be
reasonable to the people in the South. Just because you didn't agree
with it at the time doesn't mean they were not reasonable. The fact of
the matter is they were unreasonable, but not for the reasons that you
seem to think. They were not unreasonable because you, Craig Chilton,
found them to be unreasonable. They were unreasonable because they
infringed on a very basic human right. And the laws in this country
that deny immigrants the right to come here and live infringe on that
same right. Our ancestors counted on that right. Now you seem to have
the attitude that "I got mine, the hell with everyone else."
> Rosa and I could have been friends.
As long as she followed the laws that you found "reasonable."
> She did the reverse of something that I just BARELY didn't have the
> guts to actually do. On my first trip to the South, in January, 1960
> (having hitch-hiked there from Iowa while in college, on a weekend),
> I got onto a city bus in Memphis. It was clearly segregated. I came
> within a *hair's-breadth* of sitting down in the back of the bus with
> the blacks -- but chickened out at the last second. My NOT having
> done that haunts me to this day. How I WISH I'd actually DONE that
> reverse protest! If ONLY I could have the chance to go back in
> time and do that RIGHT!!
You need to stop kidding yourself. The mere fact that you went to
Memphis, on a lark, to try to help blacks does not mean you cannot be a
bigot. That is as idiotic as black people claiming that they cannot be
racists, either. If you believe that immigrants should not be allowed
to come here and live, that makes you a bigot.
>
> That led to my being a Civil Rights worker in Jackson. Mississippi
> a couple of summers later. But THAT place was so HOSTILE to us
> "Northern agitator-n**-lovers," I actually had my life threatened there
> for doing far LESS to rile them!
So let me get this straight. The people in Jackson Mississippi did not
want you coming into their state, causing trouble. Does that sound at
all familiar to you? What if they would have made it "illegal" for you
to be there? Get a grip for a minute!
>
> > But, I don't expect you to understand - your bigotry is too deep.
>
> IGNORANCE obviously is your long suit.
Once again, you demonstrate how great you are at justifying your
position.
>
> > Instead, I just expect you to die, and hopefully a new, more
> > tolerant American will take your place.
>
> No one who would take my place could be MORE tolerant than I am.
You are kidding yourself. I am more tolerant than you. I would allow
people to come into this country and live. You will not. And it's not
because they are criminals, it's because they come from a country other
than the United States. It's because they are different than you.
> But not to worry... if I live as long as my parents did, I'll be around to
> harass the bigots for decades yet. By which time, hopefully, bigotry
> will be history.
Apparently not, as long as you were here.
>
> > Maybe a Mexican who came here... <LIE-snip>
>
> ...LEGALLY, as ALL actual **immigrants** have done.
So I take it you believe that if we decide one day that blacks should
not be allowed to vote, and pass a lot to make it illegal, that would
be acceptable to you. Because after all, it would be "illegal."
>
> > "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to
> > breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these,
> > the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden
> > door!"
> > - the Statute of Liberty
>
> NONE of which precludes an orderly and sensible PROCESS for
> immigration. And people coming here who have RESPECT for this
> country and its laws FOLLOW that process.
All you are saying is it's okay to discriminate against people as long
as you have a "process in place." I think that's what Adolf Hitler
thought. They had a process in place, too.
WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>
wrote:
Registering a 7 year old to vote? ACORN! Corrupt and should be investigated
and have all it's assets frozen until after the election based on the number of
corruption cases that have come to the surface...
Ray
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promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is
entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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Spartakus
least 12 states have been improperly purging registered voters from
their lists. These states include Ohio, Florida, Georgia and
Montana. Voters who have lived and voted for decades in their
precincts are being purged. Voters who have never had so much as a
parking ticket are being purged for "criminal convictions".
In addition, Republicans and their sympathizers have been mailing
"notices" to voters with return requested, then challenging the
registrations for voters whose notices are returned. This tactic is
called "caging". It is a violation of a court order imposed on the
national Republican Party decades ago that is still in force.
In addition, Republicans and their sympathizers have been telephoning
voters in predominantly minority communties to *misinform* them about
their correct polling locations.
In addition, Republicans and their sympathizers have been leafleting
predominantly minority neighborhoods, warning citizens there that they
could face arrest if they attempt to vote.
What should be done about this? Ray has a thought...
"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>" <r...@iol.ie> wrote:
> Corrupt and should be investigated and have all it's assets frozen
> until after the election based on the number of corruption cases
> that have come to the surface...
Wow, that's pretty harsh! I mean, things are looking pretty bleak for
the GOP, but there's only three weeks to the election. Does Ray
really think that freezing the assets of the Republican Party is fair?
ObKY20
"Spartakus" <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:38825fb3-5c66-4d4f...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> There's evidence out there that Republican election officials in at
> least 12 states have been improperly purging registered voters from
> their lists. These states include Ohio, Florida, Georgia and
> Montana. Voters who have lived and voted for decades in their
> precincts are being purged. Voters who have never had so much as a
> parking ticket are being purged for "criminal convictions".
Show the evidence
>
> In addition, Republicans and their sympathizers have been mailing
> "notices" to voters with return requested, then challenging the
> registrations for voters whose notices are returned. This tactic is
> called "caging". It is a violation of a court order imposed on the
> national Republican Party decades ago that is still in force.
Wow, you will do anything to overlook the corruption in your own party.
Mark Sebree
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:38825fb3-5c66-4d4f...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > There's evidence out there that Republican election officials in at
> > least 12 states have been improperly purging registered voters from
> > their lists. These states include Ohio, Florida, Georgia and
> > Montana. Voters who have lived and voted for decades in their
> > precincts are being purged. Voters who have never had so much as a
> > parking ticket are being purged for "criminal convictions".
>
> Show the evidence
>
Here is an article naming nine of them. If you look, they are mostly
Republican controlled states.
http://www.aclu.org/votingrights/gen/37103prs20081009.html
The Washington Post originally reported the problems, IIRC.
Mark Sebree
ObKY20
"Mark Sebree" <seb...@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:2f3ea502-e1f0-4353...@64g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:38825fb3-5c66-4d4f...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > There's evidence out there that Republican election officials in at
> > least 12 states have been improperly purging registered voters from
> > their lists. These states include Ohio, Florida, Georgia and
> > Montana. Voters who have lived and voted for decades in their
> > precincts are being purged. Voters who have never had so much as a
> > parking ticket are being purged for "criminal convictions".
>
> >Show the evidence
>
>Here is an article naming nine of them. If you look, they are mostly
>Republican controlled states.
>http://www.aclu.org/votingrights/gen/37103prs20081009.html
>The Washington Post originally reported the problems, IIRC.
>Mark Sebree
Why was the Secretary of State in Ohio, a Democrat, found guilty by a
Federal Judge for violating
Voting Registration laws by not having the systems purged?
The liberals are going to have mud on their faces when this is done and they
shall never be able to
talk about voter fraud again.
Spartakus
> Why was the Secretary of State in Ohio, a Democrat, found guilty by
> a Federal Judge for violating Voting Registration laws by not having
> the systems purged?
She wasn't "found guilty" of anything - she wasn't even charged with a
crime!
And to repeat what I told you earlier - the applicable statute does
not mandate that voters be purged. That is completely up to the
discretion of the local election boards.
You're such a stupid stupid man, Bobby.
Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > There's evidence out there that Republican election officials in at
> > least 12 states have been improperly purging registered voters from
> > their lists. These states include Ohio, Florida, Georgia and
> > Montana. Voters who have lived and voted for decades in their
> > precincts are being purged. Voters who have never had so much as a
> > parking ticket are being purged for "criminal convictions".
> Show the evidence
You can read about Republican voter suppression efforts in Colorado,
Ohio, Georgia, Wisconsin and other states.
"Election Protection" is a non-partisan coalition of organizations
working to protect citizen's voting rights.
> > In addition, Republicans and their sympathizers have been mailing
> > "notices" to voters with return requested, then challenging the
> > registrations for voters whose notices are returned. This tactic is
> > called "caging". It is a violation of a court order imposed on the
> > national Republican Party decades ago that is still in force.
> Wow, you will do anything to overlook the corruption in your own party.
Shorter Bobby: "Don't look at the cancer in the GOP - the Dems have
hangnails!"
Mark Sebree
> "Mark Sebree" <seb...@infionline.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2f3ea502-e1f0-4353...@64g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:38825fb3-5c66-4d4f...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > There's evidence out there that Republican election officials in at
> > > least 12 states have been improperly purging registered voters from
> > > their lists. These states include Ohio, Florida, Georgia and
> > > Montana. Voters who have lived and voted for decades in their
> > > precincts are being purged. Voters who have never had so much as a
> > > parking ticket are being purged for "criminal convictions".
>
> > >Show the evidence
>
> >Here is an article naming nine of them. If you look, they are mostly
> >Republican controlled states.
> >http://www.aclu.org/votingrights/gen/37103prs20081009.html
> >The Washington Post originally reported the problems, IIRC.
> >Mark Sebree
>
> Why was the Secretary of State in Ohio, a Democrat, found guilty by a
> Federal Judge for violating
> Voting Registration laws by not having the systems purged?
Reference and cite?
If you notice, I said MOSTLY Republican. I did not say that they were
all Republican.
And you have asked in the past about Democrats going after their own
and exposing those who do things wrong or illegally. Well, you have
just named an example yourself.
>
> The liberals are going to have mud on their faces when this is done and they
> shall never be able to talk about voter fraud again.
>
Rather unlikely, given that most of the states that are having
significant voter registration problems such as improper purging of
voter records are Republican states, and they seem to be purging
groups that have traditionally voted Democrat.
Mark Sebree
ObKY20
> "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why was the Secretary of State in Ohio, a Democrat, found guilty by
>> a Federal Judge for violating Voting Registration laws by not having
>> the systems purged?
>
> She wasn't "found guilty" of anything - she wasn't even charged with a
> crime!
>
Check for Voter Fraud
A federal judge ruled this evening that Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer
Brunner is breaking federal law by not giving county elections boards the
chance to determine whether new voter registrations are fraudulent.
In uploading the Ohio Republican Party's request for a court order, Judge
George C. Smith of the U.S. District Court in Columbus said, "It is hard to
imagine a public interest more compelling than safeguarding the legitimacy
of the election of the president of the United States."
Smith said that the Help America Vote Act requires states to not only verify
the identity of newly registered voters with the state Bureau of Motor
Vehicles and the federal Social Security Administration, but also to provide
counties with the names of new voters whose records did not match.
Jennifer Brunner had been doing verification, but had not made the names
available to county elections boards. Judge Smith gave Brunner a week to
comply.
Once countries have the list, however, the judge said that he did not have
the authority to order them to clean up the voter rolls. He also cited the
"millions of qualified electors across the state of Ohio whose confidence in
the electoral process will be undermined if new voter registrations are not
verified in accordance with HAVA, and if unqualified individuals are
permited to cast votes. This would demean the voting process and unlawfully
dilute the votes of qualified voters."
Brunner's office said that she is filing an immediate appeal with the 6th
U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals:
"My office will do everything within its power to ensure that the state's
88 county boards of elections can continue to allow early voting to proceed
uninterrupted and to assist them with their preparation to ensure a smooth
election for the voters of Ohio."
Smith emphasized the urgency of the situation in light of the deadline next
Thursday to challenge absentee voters. On October 25 elections workers can
remove ballots from envelops that contain the only identifying information
about who cast them.
In announcing his decision, Smith cited questionable activity by one group
that has registered thousands of new Ohio voters, the Association of
Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).
Kevin DeWine, Ohio Republican Party Deputy Chairman, said the ruling said a
lot about Brunner:
"Her refusal to comply with federal law raises serious concerns about
her ability to objectively oversee this election. It's especially troubling
in light of her connection to ACORN and that group's stunning confession
this week of fraudulent registration activity happening right here in Ohio,"
he said.
.
ObKY20
On Oct 13, 5:20 pm, "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> "Mark Sebree" <seb...@infionline.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2f3ea502-e1f0-4353...@64g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:38825fb3-5c66-4d4f...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > There's evidence out there that Republican election officials in at
> > > least 12 states have been improperly purging registered voters from
> > > their lists. These states include Ohio, Florida, Georgia and
> > > Montana. Voters who have lived and voted for decades in their
> > > precincts are being purged. Voters who have never had so much as a
> > > parking ticket are being purged for "criminal convictions".
>
> > >Show the evidence
>
> >Here is an article naming nine of them. If you look, they are mostly
> >Republican controlled states.
> >http://www.aclu.org/votingrights/gen/37103prs20081009.html
> >The Washington Post originally reported the problems, IIRC.
> >Mark Sebree
>
> Why was the Secretary of State in Ohio, a Democrat, found guilty by a
> Federal Judge for violating
> Voting Registration laws by not having the systems purged?
>Reference and cite?
Judge Rules Ohio Secretary of State is Breaking Federal Election Law, Must
Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> >"ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> >> Why was the Secretary of State in Ohio, a Democrat, found guilty by
> >> a Federal Judge for violating Voting Registration laws by not having
> >> the systems purged?
> > She wasn't "found guilty" of anything - she wasn't even charged with a
> > crime!
> Judge Rules Ohio Secretary of State is Breaking Federal Election Law,
> Must Check for Voter Fraud
[...]
The court action in question is a *civil* complaint, not a criminal
complaint. Like I said, the Secretary of State in Ohio was not even
charged with a crime. Thanks for supporting my point, spammer.
Btw, voter fraud is extremely rare in the U.S. What isn't rare is
voter suppression which has been perpetrated by the Republicans for
decades.
Osprey
So you're defending her actions, correct?
Is this because she is a sister Democrat?
Loyal, aren't ya?
What is your opinion on the latest article showing Obama had closer ties to
ACORN than he let out?
I'm sure you'll defend him too.
Hell, you're a liberal, you're going to avoid my questions all together.
Osprey
"Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:e8GdncdGHe5XIWXV...@comcast.com...
And to further your ignorance.
The article clearly states
"Judge Rules Ohio Secretary of State is Breaking Federal Election Law"
that's LAW ignoramus.
Not complaint...LAW
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fell apart? they were evils. they called the kennedy curse. joseph
kennedy committed major crimes, right before the great depression
while million americans were so poor, he pulled all his money right
before the stocks collapsed. when his son run for the white house he
paid people to steal the election. look what happened to his family?
On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT),
à´ª <destinyo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> if you go back and read the history...
...you'll find that THIS was the moment that steered America into
all the debacles of the last eight years... including the CURRENT
ones. Here is how it happened, AT that time, in REAL time. The
post below was already in Usenet *before* the same broadcast
aired in the PACIFIC time zone ---
* * * * * * * * * *
REPUBLICAN SLEAZY TRICKS
BOMBSHELL !!!
If THIS scandal gets swept under the rug, it'll be completely
inexplicable. THIS one is MAJOR!!!
ABC News documented it on its evening news tonight
(Thanksgiving Day, 11/23/2000).
Capitalized words in the quotes below are not "shouts." They
denote inflective emphasis of those words as they were spoken
in the report.
= = = = = = = = = = = =
NARRATOR: "At the time, it SEEMED spontaneous -- angry
residents denied the right to see their votes recounted. But the
REALITY is, it was an ORCHESTRATED Republican protest.
And MOST were not even FROM here."
<<<Camera crew questions a female protester... >>>
REPORTER: "Are you local? Are you... ?"
NARRATOR: "Her guide, a Republican public relations officer,
cut THAT conversation short."
<<< Her guide takes her by the elbow and whisks
her away from the crew before she can say more
than a few words in response. >>>
NARRATOR: "And SO it has been, ALL week long. A public
relations effort that has not ALWAYS been so public. Camped out in a
motor home, in the middle of the media staging area, you would THINK
they would want to TALK about their mission."
<<< Reporter attempts to talk to a man in the RV, who
responds to him only briefly from behind the door,
before closing it in the reporter's face. >>>
MAN IN RV: "It's a Bush operation."
REPORTER: "It's a BUSH operation?
MAN IN RV: "Yep."
REPORTER: "What goes ON inside this trailer?"
MAN IN RV: "Oh... can't talk to you right now."
<<< Man closes door in reporter's face >>>
NARRATOR: "In ALL, an army of 75 operatives came to Miami
to SHAPE public opinion. 'To help the media,' they said."
<<< Reporter walks alongside one of them, trying to
interview him... >>>
REPUBLICAN OPERATIVE: "And we provide a service for you
for surrogates who you'll want to speak to..."
<<< Scene shifts to an outdoor crowd of protestors, many
armed with professionally-printed signs identical to the
earlier Democratic campaign signs -- except that instead
of "Gore Lieberman," *these* read "Sore Loserman."
Several of them were wearing *printed* signs on their
backs that read, "Enough is Enough." >>>
NARRATOR: "But they ALSO got involved in leading demon-
strations. And were EVEN willing to dress up in seasonal outfits
to provide so-called 'protestor color,' for local news reports."
<<< Camera shows a person dressed in a turkey costume,
with another person next to him/her holding a 3' x 4' sign
reading, "STUFF THE TURKEY NOT THE BALLOT BOX."
Many protestors gathered around them, holding *printed*
signs reading, "Gore. Let our MILITARY VOTE." >>>
NARRATOR: "In the end, it apparently made a difference.
'Intimidation,' some called it."
DAVID LEAHY, Miami-Dade Election Supervisor:
"If what I had envisioned [had] worked out, and there were no
objections, we'd be up there now, counting."
= = = = = = = = =
NOTE: THAT statement by Leahy is KEY!!! Later, he tried to
to backpedal on it! But FORTUNATELY, the truth was
already out -- with THIS statement (above).
= = = = = = = = =
NARRATOR: "They are not. And that Bush operations
trailer -- has moved on. [This is] Bill Redecker, ABC News, Miami."
= = = = = = = = =
The above is an exact transcription of the report, which I had
videotaped from the broadcast. VERY surprisingly, since this is
such an OBVIOUS subversion of the election process, ABC News
has NOT yet put this report on its abcnews.com website -- even
though this evening's OTHER stories ARE detailed there. (????)
If Gore loses this election, there will be three key factors:
(1) Nader threw the election. (A circumstance, but a legal one.)
(2) A fouled-up ballot in Palm Beach County, and no *concerted*
attempt to obtain a county-wide revote to correct that.
(Legal, but very unfortunate.)
(3) The above DIRTY TRICK. (Probably legal, according to the
LETTER of the law. But it STINKS to high heaven, and proves
that the lessons of Watergate were LOST on the Republicans,
who just PROVED themselves to be lower than snakes.)
What a SHAME for America if BUSH should win, in light of this.
And if he DOES, we should remind him for the next 4 years that -- not
only did he get in via the dinosaur of the electoral college (since
he LOST the POPULAR vote) -- his thugs LITERALLY *stole* the
election through the employment of a VERY sleazy trick.
= = = = = = = = = = = =
CONCLUDING COMMENT, by Craig Chilton, on 2-9-2001 --
(And as we know NOW, his inauguration was the
result of all of the above, AND via judicial fiat on the part
of the U.S. Supreme Court. Bush is not even REMOTELY
the ELECTED President. GORE *is.*
Bush is the APPOINTED President.
And the Court ran roughshod OVER the will of the people, to do
that. The REPUBLICAN-appointed, PARTISAN Justices, ONLY,
accomplished that INFAMOUS, SHAMEFUL and INEXCUSABLE
deed.
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-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
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Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> >> Judge Rules Ohio Secretary of State is Breaking Federal Election Law,
> >> Must Check for Voter Fraud
> > [...]
> > The court action in question is a *civil* complaint, not a criminal
> > complaint. Like I said, the Secretary of State in Ohio was not even
> > charged with a crime. Thanks for supporting my point, spammer.
> >
> > Btw, voter fraud is extremely rare in the U.S. What isn't rare is
> > voter suppression which has been perpetrated by the Republicans for
> > decades.
> So you're defending her actions, correct?
Yup. And so is the Supreme Court of the United States. They just
vacated the district court's order.
> Is this because she is a sister Democrat?
No, it is because she is correct.
> Loyal, aren't ya?
Well, there's loyalty and there's blind loyalty. You're in the 2nd
category.
> What is your opinion on the latest article showing Obama had closer ties to
> ACORN than he let out?
Highly speculative and irrelevant. What is your opinion of McCain's
ties with ACORN?
Spartakus
> And to further your ignorance.
Your unintentional candor is most refreshing, but EPIC FAIL on your
part.
Justices Rule Against Ohio G.O.P. in Voting Case
By ADAM LIPTAK and IAN URBINA
Published: October 17, 2008
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday overturned a lower court’s
order requiring state officials in Ohio to supply information that
would have made it easier to challenge prospective voters. The
decision was a setback for Ohio Republicans, who had sued to force the
Ohio secretary of state, a Democrat, to provide information about
database mismatches to county officials.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/washington/18scotus.html?em
Osprey
"Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com> wrote:
> >> Judge Rules Ohio Secretary of State is Breaking Federal Election Law,
> >> Must Check for Voter Fraud
> > [...]
> > The court action in question is a *civil* complaint, not a criminal
> > complaint. Like I said, the Secretary of State in Ohio was not even
> > charged with a crime. Thanks for supporting my point, spammer.
>> >
>> > Btw, voter fraud is extremely rare in the U.S. What isn't rare is
>> > voter suppression which has been perpetrated by the Republicans for
>> > decades.
>> So you're defending her actions, correct?
>Yup. And so is the Supreme Court of the United States. They just
>vacated the district court's order.
>> Is this because she is a sister Democrat?
>No, it is because she is correct.
come on Sparky, you know better. A liberal will lie, cheat, steal, and do
anything to defend another Democrat.
Be honest now Sparky. Have you EVER held a Democrat responsible for his or
her actions and called them out?
>> Loyal, aren't ya?
>Well, there's loyalty and there's blind loyalty. You're in the 2nd
>category.
Naa, you're both Sparky.
>> What is your opinion on the latest article showing Obama had closer ties
>> to
>> ACORN than he let out?
>Highly speculative and irrelevant.
Of course, naturally. Good little liberal, aren't ya?
>What is your opinion of McCain's
>ties with ACORN?
Unlike you, if McCain is guilty of any wrong doing I say fry him for it.
I'll hold him accountable.
Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> >> > Btw, voter fraud is extremely rare in the U.S. What isn't rare is
> >> > voter suppression which has been perpetrated by the Republicans
> >> > for decades.
> >> So you're defending her actions, correct?
> >Yup. And so is the Supreme Court of the United States. They just
> >vacated the district court's order.
> >> Is this because she is a sister Democrat?
> >No, it is because she is correct.
> come on Sparky, you know better.
Thank you for the unexpected candor. Most of the time, I *do* know
better than you.
> A liberal will lie, cheat, steal, and do
> anything to defend another Democrat.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to
other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot
accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight
into his own impulses and traits."
> Be honest now Sparky. Have you EVER held a Democrat responsible
> for his or her actions and called them out?
Irrelevant. My history is not the issue. The issue is your false
accusations against ACORN.
Can you find *one* instance of voter fraud that was enabled by ACORN?
Before you answer, remember what I once said about smart lawyers
asking questions.
Osprey
"Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> >> > Btw, voter fraud is extremely rare in the U.S. What isn't rare is
> >> > voter suppression which has been perpetrated by the Republicans
> >> > for decades.
>> >> So you're defending her actions, correct?
>> >Yup. And so is the Supreme Court of the United States. They just
>> >vacated the district court's order.
>> >> Is this because she is a sister Democrat?
>> >No, it is because she is correct.
>> come on Sparky, you know better.
>Thank you for the unexpected candor. Most of the time, I *do* know
>better than you.
naa, that's just another fault that most liberals possess, the false belief
they know better than others.
It's part of that control freak mind set so many of you have, "I know
better, so you got to listen to me".
>> A liberal will lie, cheat, steal, and do
>> anything to defend another Democrat.
>Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to
>other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot
>accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight
>into his own impulses and traits."
Wow, sparky checked his word of the day calendar. Good boy!!!
>> Be honest now Sparky. Have you EVER held a Democrat responsible
>> for his or her actions and called them out?
>Irrelevant. My history is not the issue.
Your history would support my opinion, and you know it.
>The issue is your false
>accusations against ACORN.
It's not "my accusation" sparky, I'm supporting the findings based on the
sources that reported them.
>Can you find *one* instance of voter fraud that was enabled by ACORN?
It's going to take a long time, primarily because the Secretary of State in
Ohio didn't have the systems purged.
But it's serious enough for the FBI to investigate, and they don't
investigate matters unless there is reasonable cause.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081017/ap_on_el_pr/voter_fraud_fbi
The only ones crying right now about this and trying to shift the focus, is
the left.
Hey, that's what you're trying to do Sparky, isn't that a coincidence?
james g. keegan jr.
b3c3b9...@b31g2000prb.googlegroups.com:
> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>> So you're defending her actions, correct?
>
> Yup. And so is the Supreme Court of the United States. They just
> vacated the district court's order.
i guarantee you that l'il bobbi will post a rant against "liverals,"
rather than admit he was wrong again.
--
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in
fact author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are
the same person." -- corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey"
in an effort to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author
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Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > >> > Btw, voter fraud is extremely rare in the U.S. What isn't rare is
> > >> > voter suppression which has been perpetrated by the Republicans
> > >> > for decades.
> >> >> So you're defending her actions, correct?
> >> >Yup. And so is the Supreme Court of the United States. They just
> >> >vacated the district court's order.
You have nothing to say about the Supreme Court's decision, Bobby?
Basically, their ruling frees the State of Ohio (and consequently
other states) from the onerous task of verifying new voter
registrations against multiple databases that aren't designed for such
a task and are in all likelihood out of sync with each other. Have
you ever tried to keep multiple databases that hold personal data in
sync with each other? It's next to impossible.
You know "Joe the Plumber", the newest folk hero of this election
cycle? At first, people thought he wasn't registered to vote because
his name is misspelled in the voter registration database. He is
registered to vote as a Republican. If his registration had been
vetted in the manner that the Ohio GOP wanted, HE WOULD NOT BE
ELIGIBLE TO VOTE!
Take your time to think about the irony here.
Back and forth about personal stuff deleted, because I don't want to
hurt your feelings.
Spartakus
> But it's serious enough for the FBI to investigate, and they don't
> investigate matters unless there is reasonable cause.
You really believe that, Bobby? Is that why they had a dossier on
Martin Luther King as thick as a Manhattan phone book?
Ray Fischer
> A liberal will lie, cheat, steal, and do
>anything to defend another Democrat.
Thre's the extremist bigotry of the nazi-wannabe.
What's next, heishman - concentration camps for "liberals"?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Osprey
> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
>> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>> > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
>> > > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>> > > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
>
>> > >> > Btw, voter fraud is extremely rare in the U.S. What isn't rare is
>> > >> > voter suppression which has been perpetrated by the Republicans
>> > >> > for decades.
>
>> >> >> So you're defending her actions, correct?
>
>> >> >Yup. And so is the Supreme Court of the United States. They just
>> >> >vacated the district court's order.
>
> You have nothing to say about the Supreme Court's decision, Bobby?
What can I say? I respect their decision. Did you expect anything else?
Oh, and the hurt my feelings part...puh-lease.
I would have to respect you or like you in order for you to hurt my
feelings.
You couldn't possibly come close to hurting my feelings, get over yourself.
Osprey
> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> But it's serious enough for the FBI to investigate, and they don't
>> investigate matters unless there is reasonable cause.
>
> You really believe that, Bobby?
I know that, Sparky
Spartakus
> >> But it's serious enough for the FBI to investigate, and they don't
> >> investigate matters unless there is reasonable cause.
> > You really believe that, Bobby?
> I know that, Sparky.
As is almost always the case, you speak from ignorance, Bobby. The
Department of Justice (which the FBI is part of) has a rule that says
that they cannot initiate investigations into possible election fraud
within 3 weeks (IIRC) of an election. This is to protect the DOJ from
being abused for political purposes. By launching their investigation
of ACORN, the FBI is violating DOJ rules.
And let's not forget that two years ago, several US attorneys were
fired for refusing to prosecute cases of "election fraud" where there
wasn't sufficient evidence. The US Attorney scandal was only moved
forward because of Democratic electoral successes in 2006, and it
resulted in the resignations of the Attorney General (Alberto
Gonzalez) and most of the top brass of the DOJ.
If there is a silver lining to this phony ACORN "scandal", it's that
it brings the US Attorney scandal back to the front burner in this
election cycle.
Osprey
> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
>> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> But it's serious enough for the FBI to investigate, and they don't
>> >> investigate matters unless there is reasonable cause.
>
>> > You really believe that, Bobby?
>
>> I know that, Sparky.
>
> As is almost always the case, you speak from ignorance, Bobby.
No Sparky, I know exactly what I'm talking about. There is reasonable cause
to launch that investigation.
And that's what it is, an investigation. The facts will come out.
The
> Department of Justice (which the FBI is part of) has a rule that says
> that they cannot initiate investigations into possible election fraud
> within 3 weeks (IIRC) of an election. This is to protect the DOJ from
> being abused for political purposes. By launching their investigation
> of ACORN, the FBI is violating DOJ rules.
Show the rule, source and all.
james g. keegan jr.
news:kdOdnQ4mYKB1BGfV...@comcast.com:
>
> "Spartakus" <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:51241725-e0cd-4f8f-bcf7-8ddb222c1bf5
@b31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>>> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
>>> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> But it's serious enough for the FBI to investigate, and they don't
>>> >> investigate matters unless there is reasonable cause.
>>
>>> > You really believe that, Bobby?
>>
>>> I know that, Sparky.
>>
>> As is almost always the case, you speak from ignorance, Bobby.
>
> No Sparky, I know exactly what I'm talking about. There is reasonable
> cause to launch that investigation.
> And that's what it is, an investigation. The facts will come out.
bobby, your ignorance of the law is ok. but after you have been educated,
for you to continue to argue your point (already lost) as you did here
suggests you're not functioning rationally.
if your emotions keep getting the best of your reason, take another
vacation.
> The
>> Department of Justice (which the FBI is part of) has a rule that says
>> that they cannot initiate investigations into possible election fraud
>> within 3 weeks (IIRC) of an election. This is to protect the DOJ from
>> being abused for political purposes. By launching their investigation
>> of ACORN, the FBI is violating DOJ rules.
>>
>> And let's not forget that two years ago, several US attorneys were
>> fired for refusing to prosecute cases of "election fraud" where there
>> wasn't sufficient evidence. The US Attorney scandal was only moved
>> forward because of Democratic electoral successes in 2006, and it
>> resulted in the resignations of the Attorney General (Alberto Gonzalez)
>> and most of the top brass of the DOJ.
>>
>> If there is a silver lining to this phony ACORN "scandal", it's that
>> it brings the US Attorney scandal back to the front burner in this
>> election cycle.
>
Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> >> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> >> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> >> >> But it's serious enough for the FBI to investigate, and they don't
> >> >> investigate matters unless there is reasonable cause.
> >> > You really believe that, Bobby?
> >> I know that, Sparky.
> > As is almost always the case, you speak from ignorance, Bobby.
> No Sparky, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
Obviously not. "Obviously" on the same scale as "the Pacific Ocean is
obviously a large body of water".
> There is reasonable cause to launch that investigation.
No, there isn't. What there is, is obvious political motivation, on
the same scale as above.
> And that's what it is, an investigation. The facts will come out.
The facts have been out there for *years*, Bobby.
> > The Department of Justice (which the FBI is part of) has a rule that says
> > that they cannot initiate investigations into possible election fraud
> > within 3 weeks (IIRC) of an election. This is to protect the DOJ from
> > being abused for political purposes. By launching their investigation
> > of ACORN, the FBI is violating DOJ rules.
> Show the rule, source and all.
What good would that do? You'd only run away.
Osprey
> >> I know that, Sparky.
Now why did I ever think you would?
Hmmm.
Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > > > The Department of Justice (which the FBI is part of) has a rule that
> > > > says that they cannot initiate investigations into possible election
> > > > fraud within 3 weeks (IIRC) of an election. This is to protect the DOJ
> > > > from being abused for political purposes. By launching their
> > > > investigation of ACORN, the FBI is violating DOJ rules.
> >> Show the rule, source and all.
> >What good would that do? You'd only run away.
> Now why did you ever think I would?
Fixed it for you.
From the DOJ guidelines:
"Federal prosecutors and investigators should be
extremely careful to not conduct overt investigations
during the pre-election period while the election is
under way. Most, if not all, investigations of an
alleged election crime must await the end of
the election to which the allegation relates."
And this:
"It should also be kept in mind that any investigation
undertaken during the final stages of a political
contest may cause the investigation itself to
become a campaign issue,"
Oh, waitaminute, I'm not completely up to date on this - these rules
were taken out of the DOJ guidelines in May 2007 by then-Attorney
General Alberto Gonzales. In light of what we have learned about the
mass firings of US attorneys, and especially in light of recent
events, why would he have done something like that?
I leave the conclusion as an exercise for the reader.
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> Right, just like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and NBC are all pulling
> for McCain!!!!!!!!!
UNlike FAUX News, all those OTHER networks you just named
are honest, sensible, and have RATIONAL commentators.
Of course, YOUR not knowing that comes as NO surprise to
about 99% of us in these groups. Par for the course.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
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And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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MORE THAN EVER BEFORE...
"It IS The SUPREME COURT, Stupid!"
Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote, 10-8-08 --
> I know how the system is supposed to work. But we have
> too many judges that decide based not on the Constitution
> but on their version of social justice.
There can't possibly BE too many egalitarian judges, since ALL
of them are constrained to rule *within* the parameters of the
Constitution. NO judge can *contradict* the Constitution. In
any given case, there is only so much potential "gray area" wiggle
room within which one must rule, or contradiction would occur.
The BEST judges are the fair-minded, sensible, and compas-
sionate ones who rule as close as they possibly can to the param-
eter that affords the most personal freedom for individuals. As
an envelope is defined by it's edges, it's a case of staying inside
of the envelope so as to still be mailable, with the *content*
always being snugly against the edge called "liberty."
Individual freedom should be PARAMOUNT, and NO President
or Senate should EVER be responsible for appointing/confirming
a Justice that doesn't make it unequivocally *clear* that he/she
will steadfastly seek to defend and support it to the fullest extent
possible. There is NOTHING good to be gained by installing a
repressive Justice. That is one of the most *harmful* actions that
a President or Senator can do to his/her country.
We MUST **keep** EGALITARIAN judges in the majority in
the U.S. Supreme Court. And to do that, we MUST elect Obama.
For more important information and talking points, go here:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
The above articles are clear, concise, totally factual, and are
HIGHLY useful and thought-provoking.
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> Suppressing the vote to a liberal is denying felons, six year olds,
> your pet hamster, tombstones and park benches the right to vote.
> Can you say ACORN?
And if and when any of those presented themselves TO vote,
they'd be turned away. Can you say OVER-REACTING?
Osprey
>Fixed it for you.
>From the DOJ guidelines:
>And this:
>The rules, aren't exactly a rule.
It's an advisement, a warning, guidelines to be careful when it's so close
to an election.
Now, with that being said, if a Democrat violated an election law, say in
New Jersey, by dropping out of a race so close to an election and having
someone else put in his place
Would you be screaming foul? Or would you be supporting that Democrat?
Spartakus
> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Wow, that's pretty harsh! I mean, things are looking pretty bleak for
> > the GOP, but there's only three weeks to the election. Does Ray
> > really think that freezing the assets of the Republican Party is fair?
> Suppressing the vote to a liberal is denying felons, six year olds,
> your pet hamster, tombstones and park benches the right to vote.
> Can you say ACORN?
Can you say "YPM"? For your reading pleasure:
http://mobile.latimes.com/detail.jsp?key=186051&rc=local&full=1
"SACRAMENTO -- Dozens of newly minted Republican
voters say they were duped into joining the party by
a GOP contractor with a trail of fraud complaints
stretching across the country.
"Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into
switching parties while signing what they believed were
petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters.
Some said they were told that they had to become
Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California
initiative law. Others had no idea their registration was
being changed.
. . .
"It is a bait-and-switch scheme familiar to election experts.
The firm hired by the California Republican Party -- a small
company called Young Political Majors, or YPM, which
operates in several states -- has been accused of using
the tactic across the country.
And here's a fun update - the proprietor of Young Political Majors,
Mark Jacoby, was arrested this weekend. He was arrested in Ontario,
which I believe is in Riverside County.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
First the racist newsletter from some GOP ladies' group and now this.
What is it about the Inland Empire that attracts feral Republicans
like you?
Spartakus
> >From the DOJ guidelines:
> >
> > "Federal prosecutors and investigators should be
> > extremely careful to not conduct overt investigations
> > during the pre-election period while the election is
> > under way. Most, if not all, investigations of an
> > alleged election crime must await the end of
> > the election to which the allegation relates."
> >
> >And this:
> >
> > "It should also be kept in mind that any investigation
> > undertaken during the final stages of a political
> > contest may cause the investigation itself to
> > become a campaign issue,"
> >
> >Oh, waitaminute, I'm not completely up to date on this - these rules
> >were taken out of the DOJ guidelines in May 2007 by then-Attorney
> >General Alberto Gonzales. In light of what we have learned about
> >the mass firings of US attorneys, and especially in light of recent
> >events, why would he have done something like that?
> >I leave the conclusion as an exercise for the reader.
> >The rules, aren't exactly a rule.
> It's an advisement, a warning, guidelines to be careful when it's so
> close to an election.
The DOJ thought it was important enough to put into writing. And the
Bush Junta thought it was troublesome enough to take out of the
guidelines.
[--Bobby tries to change the subject--]
That's your way of running away, huh?
Osprey
Talk about running, you're moving fast on this one. Snipping and run.
You got busted, you even snipped out the part where you originally stated
that they have "laws".
ROFL
You're a really funny coward sparky.
Spartakus
Yet my point stands. Furthermore, the DOJ's actions regarding ACORN
are being called out as being the politically motivated gambits that
they are. Alberto Gonzalez made it possible by shitcanning the
guidelines I just cited.
There is no criminality on ACORN's part, except for a few employees
who couldn't or wouldn't follow their rules.
Osprey
>Yet my point stands.
Nope, you're claim that there are laws has been "debunked"
>Furthermore, the DOJ's actions regarding ACORN
>are being called out as being the politically motivated gambits that
>they are. Alberto Gonzalez made it possible by shitcanning the
>guidelines I just cited.
Liberals are worried what the FBI might find.
>There is no criminality on ACORN's part, except for a few employees
>who couldn't or wouldn't follow their rules.
If and when there is evidence found, do you actually think for one minute
I expect a liberal to take a stand against ACORN?
Come now sparky, you're a liberal, you live to lie.
Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > > > The DOJ thought it was important enough to put into writing. And the
> > > > Bush Junta thought it was troublesome enough to take out of the
> > > > guidelines.
> > > >
> > > > [--Bobby tries to change the subject--]
> > > >
> > > > That's your way of running away, huh?
> > > Talk about running, you're moving fast on this one. Snipping and run.
> > >
> > > You got busted, you even snipped out the part where you originally stated
> > > that they have "laws".
> >Yet my point stands.
> Nope,
Yep.
> you're claim that there are laws has been "debunked"
From the standpoint of a DOJ employee (including FBI), the guidelines
are as good as law. Violating the guidelines can mean the end of your
career at the DOJ. That is partly why those fired US Attorneys
refused to prosecute "voter fraud" cases in the days leading up to the
2006 election. They were being leaned on by Republicans and they
refused because it was AGAINST DEPARTMENT POLICY.
> > Furthermore, the DOJ's actions regarding ACORN are
> > being called out as being the politically motivated gambits that
> > they are. Alberto Gonzalez made it possible by shitcanning
> > the guidelines I just cited.
> Liberals are worried what the FBI might find.
Logic has never been your strong suit, Bobby. The DOJ didn't launch
its investigation into ACORN with the expectation of finding
anything. They launched it at the behest of the Bush Junta to try to
discredit ACORN and by extension, Barack Obama.
> > There is no criminality on ACORN's part, except for a few employees
> >who couldn't or wouldn't follow their rules.
> If and when there is evidence found, do you actually think for one minute
> I expect a liberal to take a stand against ACORN?
*IF*. You're going to be so disappointed after the DOJ gives up after
drilling one dry well after another.
> Come now sparky, you're a liberal, you live to lie.
You're projecting again, Bobby. And anyway, you're an asshole - you
live to excrete shit.
Osprey
"Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > > > The DOJ thought it was important enough to put into writing. And the
> > > > Bush Junta thought it was troublesome enough to take out of the
> > > > guidelines.
> > > >
> > > > [--Bobby tries to change the subject--]
> > > >
> > > > That's your way of running away, huh?
> > > Talk about running, you're moving fast on this one. Snipping and run.
> > >
> > > You got busted, you even snipped out the part where you originally
> > > stated
> > > that they have "laws".
> >Yet my point stands.
>> Nope,
>
>Yep.
>> you're claim that there are laws has been "debunked"
>From the standpoint of a DOJ employee (including FBI), the guidelines
>are as good as law.
Good thing you were never in any type of law enforcement, you stink at this.
>Violating the guidelines can mean the end of your
>career at the DOJ. That is partly why those fired US Attorneys
>refused to prosecute "voter fraud" cases in the days leading up to the
>2006 election. They were being leaned on by Republicans and they
>refused because it was AGAINST DEPARTMENT POLICY.
> > Furthermore, the DOJ's actions regarding ACORN are
> > being called out as being the politically motivated gambits that
> > they are. Alberto Gonzalez made it possible by shitcanning
> > the guidelines I just cited.
>> Liberals are worried what the FBI might find.
>Logic has never been your strong suit, Bobby.
Says the one who doesn't know the difference between guidelines and law.
>The DOJ didn't launch
>its investigation into ACORN with the expectation of finding
>anything.
Oh, so they just launched one for shits and giggles.
>They launched it at the behest of the Bush Junta to try to
>discredit ACORN and by extension, Barack Obama.
ROFL
Tell you what Sparky, I'll give you one chance to put up or shut on that
one.
Prove your claim.
>> > There is no criminality on ACORN's part, except for a few employees
>> >who couldn't or wouldn't follow their rules.
>> If and when there is evidence found, do you actually think for one minute
>> I expect a liberal to take a stand against ACORN?
>*IF*. You're going to be so disappointed after the DOJ gives up after
>drilling one dry well after another.
I'm not disappointed at all, you libs are doing exactly what I thought you
would.
Shit, I know you idiots better than like a book.
>> Come now sparky, you're a liberal, you live to lie.
>You're projecting again, Bobby. And anyway, you're an asshole - you
>live to excrete shit.
I know you too well.
I'm an asshole in your eyes, and I plan on it remaining that way.
I'm proud to be of service..:o)
LC
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> "Spartakus" <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Come now sparky, you're a liberal, you live to lie.
Oh, the irony.
Will you be bringing back your sockpuppet "ObKY20"
ObKonO...@yahoomail.com anytime soon, Ostrich?
Y'know, the poster that talks like you, walks like you, and lies like you?
Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > > > There is no criminality on ACORN's part, except for a few employees
> > > > who couldn't or wouldn't follow their rules.
> > > If and when there is evidence found, do you actually think for one minute
> > > I expect a liberal to take a stand against ACORN?
> > *IF*. You're going to be so disappointed after the DOJ gives up after
> > drilling one dry well after another.
> I'm not disappointed at all, you libs are doing exactly what I thought you
> would. Shit, I know you idiots better than like a book.
In other words, not at all.
> > > Come now sparky, you're a liberal, you live to lie.
> > You're projecting again, Bobby. And anyway, you're an asshole - you
> > live to excrete shit.
> I know you too well.
>
> I'm an asshole ...
Finally - you've gained some insight into your behavior. That's one
helluva breakthrough for you.
And since you don't read books, would you watch a video?
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/acorn_punches_b.html
Osprey
"Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > > > There is no criminality on ACORN's part, except for a few employees
> > > > who couldn't or wouldn't follow their rules.
> > > If and when there is evidence found, do you actually think for one
> > > minute
> > > I expect a liberal to take a stand against ACORN?
> > *IF*. You're going to be so disappointed after the DOJ gives up after
> > drilling one dry well after another.
>> I'm not disappointed at all, you libs are doing exactly what I thought
>> you
>> would. Shit, I know you idiots better than like a book.
>In other words, not at all.
>> > > Come now sparky, you're a liberal, you live to lie.
>> > You're projecting again, Bobby. And anyway, you're an asshole - you
>> > live to excrete shit.
>> I know you too well.
>
>> I'm an asshole ...
>Finally - you've gained some insight into your behavior. That's one
>helluva breakthrough for you.
And you still don't get it.
Spartakus
> > The DOJ didn't launch its investigation into ACORN
> > with the expectation of finding anything.
> Oh, so they just launched one for shits and giggles.
Given everything else that is going (which I will get to), you have to
wonder about their priorities.
> > They launched it at the behest of the Bush Junta to try to
> > discredit ACORN and by extension, Barack Obama.
> ROFL
>
> Tell you what Sparky, I'll give you one chance to put up or shut on that
> one. Prove your claim.
OK, where was the FBI when this went down?
"The owner of a signature-gathering firm that works across
California was arrested in Ontario today on suspicion of
committing voter registration fraud, Secretary of State
Debra Bowen announced.
"Mark Anthony Jacoby, who owns the firm known as Young
Political Majors (YPM), was arrested after allegedly
registering himself to vote, once in 2006 and again in 2007,
at an address where did not live. An investigation by the
Secretary of State's Election Fraud Investigation Unit
revealed that Jacoby twice registered to vote at the address
of a childhood home in Los Angeles although he no longer
lived there..
http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/19/ypm-head-arrested-in-california/
Jacoby is a notorious voter registration fraudster who has pulled his
shenanigans in several states. One of his favorite tactics is
"slamming", which is switching the political affiliations of the
people his company registers from Democratic or Independent to
Republican. He also collects signatures under false pretenses, like
phony petitions. At the time of his arrest, he was working for the
California GOP. Since his activities span several states, why isn't
the FBI involved?
Why did they jump like cats on a hot stove to go after ACORN while
ignoring Jacoby, who has been committing voter registration fraud for
years?
Moving on, here's more for your reading pleasure.
"John McCain's campaign has directed $175,000 to the firm
of a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration
fraud in several states.
"According to campaign finance records, a joint committee of
the McCain-Palin campaign, the RNC and the the California
Republican Party, made a $175,000 payment to the group
Lincoln Strategy in June for purposes of 'registering voters.'
The managing partner of that firm is Nathan Sproul, a renowned
GOP operative who has been investigated on multiple occasions
for suppressing Democratic voter turnout, throwing away
registration forms and even spearheading efforts to get Ralph
Nader on ballots to hinder the Democratic ticket.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/mccain-employing-gop-oper_n_136254.html
I especially like this paragraph:
"As Republican Congressman Chris Cannon summarized
during a joint hearing for the subcommittee on commercial
and administrative law back in May 2008: 'The difference
between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn't throw
away or change registration documents after they have
been filled out.'
Have you noticed that the McCain campaign has suddenly clammed up
about ACORN since these stories broke? I have a feeling that the FBI
will quietly close the file they have on ACORN and walk that puppy
over to the shredder.
Osprey
If all that is true, then McCain's camp should be held liable.
Just as if all the stories leaking out about Obamas fund raising, if it's
true, Obama should be held accountable.
Do I hear any liberals saying Obama should be held accountable?
crickets.
thats what I thought.
Spartakus
> > Have you noticed that the McCain campaign has suddenly clammed up
> > about ACORN since these stories broke? I have a feeling that the FBI
> > will quietly close the file they have on ACORN and walk that puppy
> > over to the shredder.
> If all that is true, then McCain's camp should be held liable.
> Just as if all the stories leaking out about Obamas fund raising, if it's
> true, Obama should be held accountable.
> Do I hear any liberals saying Obama should be held accountable?
Held accountable for what?
Osprey
>Held accountable for what?
You've proven my point grasshopper.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/obama-denies-ties-acorn/
james g. keegan jr.
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>
> "Spartakus" <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:c4f27e71-2f6b-45a7-a860-
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> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
>
>> > Have you noticed that the McCain campaign has suddenly clammed up
>> > about ACORN since these stories broke? I have a feeling that the FBI
>> > will quietly close the file they have on ACORN and walk that puppy
>> > over to the shredder.
>
>>> If all that is true, then McCain's camp should be held liable.
>>> Just as if all the stories leaking out about Obamas fund raising, if
>>> it's true, Obama should be held accountable.
>
>>> Do I hear any liberals saying Obama should be held accountable?
>
>>Held accountable for what?
>
>
> You've proven my point grasshopper.
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/obama-denies-ties-acorn/
it's no surprise that you, the abortion newsgroups most prolific liar,
would try to swiftboat a black man with innuendo and lies.
wasn't using delaware department of corrections resources to do something
similar part of the reason your employers banned you from posting to
abortion newsgroups until they could get rid of you by moving you
elsewhere?
Spartakus
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > > > Have you noticed that the McCain campaign has suddenly clammed
> > > > up about ACORN since these stories broke? I have a feeling that the
> > > > FBI will quietly close the file they have on ACORN and walk that
> > > > puppy over to the shredder.
> >> If all that is true, then McCain's camp should be held liable.
> >> Just as if all the stories leaking out about Obamas fund raising, if
> >> it's true, Obama should be held accountable.
> >>
> >> Do I hear any liberals saying Obama should be held accountable?
> >Held accountable for what?
> You've proven my point grasshopper.
>
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/obama-denies-ties-acorn/
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU
Phffft! Your sources are about as credible as Ashley Todd.
A few off-topic observations:
1. I have mixed feelings about Ashley Todd. On the one hand, she is
only 20 years old. This should not be an albatross around her neck
for the rest of her life. At the same time, she actually tried to
foment a racist backlash against African-Americans in general and
Barack Obama in particular. She *has* to face the music for what she
did.
2. Matt Drudge and members of the McCain campaign who allowed
themselves to be megaphones for Ashley Todd should be held accountable
for putting the most inflammatory spin possible on her story before it
was even verified.
Back to the topic at hand:
1. I see that McCain and Palin still don't have much to say about
ACORN since the revelations about Mark Jacoby and Nathan Sproul came
out last week.
2. In your response, Bobby, you segued from voter registration to fund
raising. Was that one of your many brain farts or do you really want
to change the subject?
Osprey
> "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
>> > "Osprey" <Osp...@mail.com> wrote:
>> > > "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...
>
>> > > > Have you noticed that the McCain campaign has suddenly clammed
>> > > > up about ACORN since these stories broke? I have a feeling that the
>> > > > FBI will quietly close the file they have on ACORN and walk that
>> > > > puppy over to the shredder.
>
>> >> If all that is true, then McCain's camp should be held liable.
>> >> Just as if all the stories leaking out about Obamas fund raising, if
>> >> it's true, Obama should be held accountable.
>> >>
>> >> Do I hear any liberals saying Obama should be held accountable?
>
>> >Held accountable for what?
>
>> You've proven my point grasshopper.
>>
>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/obama-denies-ties-acorn/
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU
>
> Phffft! Your sources are about as credible as Ashley Todd.
Liberal tactic number 5, when one can't refute. Attack the source and leave
the material alone.
You're a joke Sparky, nothing more than a hypocritical joke.
james g. keegan jr.
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> "Spartakus" <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>>> >Held accountable for what?
>>
>>> You've proven my point grasshopper.
>>>
>>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/obama-denies-ties-acorn/
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU
>>
>> Phffft! Your sources are about as credible as Ashley Todd.
>
> Liberal tactic number 5, when one can't refute. Attack the source and
> leave the material alone.
your sources may be as credible as ashlet todd, but you're certainly not.
you're already well known as the abortion newsgroups most prolific liar.
not you link your credibility to fox notnews!!!!!! are you intentionally
making a fool of yourself?