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Sabastawi

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Nov 1, 2005, 12:55:07 PM11/1/05
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What do Israelis say about the Arabs?
11/1/2005 5:00:00 PM GMT

Last week's speech of the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in
which he said that Israel should be "wiped off the map", and that
"anyone who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic
nation's fury," has been portrayed by the Jewish State as "murderous
threats" in an attempt to draw an international resentment against
the Islamic republic.

Although Nejad's words reflected the true stance of Tehran towards
Israel, he didn't mean to issue a direct threat. His words weren't
meant to imply that Iran is considering attacking Israel as his speech
was wrongly interpreted by the Jewish State, the United States, and
European countries.

Recent Iranian leaders avoided such strong and direct rhetoric, partly
because the goal of eliminating Israel has been disavowed by the
Palestinian leadership and partly because Iran sought to improve
relations with the West, according to the Washington Post .

The world should quickly wake up from the trauma created by the Iranian
leader's words and look back at similar and may be more shocking
statements made by Israeli and Jewish leaders in the past, reflecting
the amount of injustice inflicted upon Palestinians and the Arabs in
general.

Below are extracts from old Israeli leaders' speeches, compiled by
Americans United for Palestinian Human Rights's website, reflecting
the true sentiments towards the Arabs and confessions to the biased
policy of the Israeli government and it's true agenda:

- "We must expel Arabs and take their places."- David Ben Gurion,
1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press,
1985.

- "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation,
and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab
population."- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From
Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York
1978.

- "There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was
that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have
stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"- Quoted by Nahum
Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

- "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not
exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in
the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal
al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population." - David Ben Gurion quoted in The
Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p.
99.

- "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are
the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs,
because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down,
and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -
David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle,
which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp
141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

- "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we
came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."-
Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

- "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to
return them to." - Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

- "Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must
also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is
interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated
clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen." - Golda Meir, 1961,
in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

- "This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God
Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its
legitimacy." - Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

- "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his
question, what is to be done with the Palestinian population?'
Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" -
Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in
the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

- "[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years
conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the
refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve
this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser
Arafat." - Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's
standards), quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983
citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and
defense committee on March 16.

- "[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."- Israeli Prime
Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon
Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

- "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be
recognized.... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz
Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for
Ever." - Menachem Begin, following UN vote to partition Palestine.

- "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep
Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations,
for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people,
all of whom will be gathered into this country." - Former Prime
Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for
former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

- "The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism.
Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple." -
Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

- "(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads
smashed against the boulders and walls." - Isreali Prime Minister (at
the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times
April 1, 1988

- "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in
China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass
expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." - Benyamin Netanyahu,
then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel,
speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal
Hotam, November 24, 1989.

- "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat,
they want more".... - Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time
- August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

- "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead
would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more
force...." - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak quoted by the Associated
Press, November 16, 2000.

- Asked by Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Haaretz newspaper, what he
would have done if he had been born a Palestinian, Ehud Barak's
response was "I would have joined a terrorist organization."

- "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion,
clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten
with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,
colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and
the expropriation of their lands."

- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of
Tsomet militants, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

- "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops
as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we
take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the
Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

- "Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no
one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on
trial." - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in
BBC News Online.

http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=9959

Joubin Houshyar

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Nov 1, 2005, 1:08:25 PM11/1/05
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Sabastawi wrote:
> What do Israelis say about the Arabs?

The '.' is HOW they say it. WHERE they say it. WHEN they publish it.

Live and learn:

1:


"We must expel Arabs and take their places."- David Ben Gurion,

Said? 1937

Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press,

Published? 1985.

2:


"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation,
and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab
population."- David Ben-Gurion,

When? May 1948
To Whom? to the General Staff.

>From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York

Publshed? 1978.


?:


"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was
that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have
stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"- Quoted by Nahum
Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

3:

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not
exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in
the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal
al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population." - David Ben Gurion quoted in The
Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson,

When did ben thief go to this Gur?

Before 1978


4:

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the
aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because
they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in
their view we want to take away from them their country." - David Ben
Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears
in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing

When? a 1938 speech.

When was it published? Certainly NOT in 1938!

5: (Now observer and LEARN when 'live' comments are helpful:)

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we
came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."-
Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

Did Goldie Ben Hefti know about Beh Gur Berian's statements in the 30s?

Oy vey, you bet!


6: (ditto and etc.)

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return
them to." - Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

>
> - "Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must
> also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is
> interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated
> clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen." - Golda Meir, 1961,
> in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961
>
> - "This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God
> Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its
> legitimacy." - Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971
>
> - "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his
> question, what is to be done with the Palestinian population?'
> Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" -
> Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in
> the New York Times,

When? 23 October 1979.

Why?

Because at that point, the deed was done!

Pacifist

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Nov 1, 2005, 1:22:12 PM11/1/05
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Yep... the point is that they carried out every single one of those
things, whereas Mr. Ahmadinejad just babbles and rants.
All hot air and capable of nothing concrete to advance his agenda.

Best,

P

MonsieurStat

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Nov 1, 2005, 8:37:54 PM11/1/05
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"Pacifist" <mushr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yep... the point is that they carried out every single one of those
> things, whereas Mr. Ahmadinejad just babbles and rants.
> All hot air and capable of nothing concrete to advance his agenda.
>

His agenda has already advanced. The point was to say this "un-say-able"
thing at this point in history. Now that the cat is out of the bag, you will
see in the months to come that the same call will be made from all kinds of
groups around the region. It is always the fisrt step that is hardest to
take, but thanks to our president, it has been taken now.
Stat.


> Best,
>
> P
>


Ivor

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Nov 2, 2005, 12:00:33 AM11/2/05
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Perhaps spreading love and compassion instead of hatred and threatened
genocide could be more effective.

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MonsieurStat

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Nov 2, 2005, 12:16:50 AM11/2/05
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I assure you, a world without Zionism is a world with both more love and
compassion.
Stat.


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Ivor

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Nov 2, 2005, 12:52:19 AM11/2/05
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Using terms such as "wiping a country off the map..???", does not fit
definitions of love and compassion, but suggests hatred and treatened
genocide.

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