Greece should give up Macedonia!
Steve Saragil
prudent, NO, let me rephrase that, imperative to basically
TELL me where to go and where I should stick my views on
my private e-mail! hahahahahaha
You guys are Sooooooo funny...I can't help but laugh!
GET SOME LIVES BOYS!!! hahahah [You know who you are]
Now....
I was talking about the current situation that Macedonia and
Greece is embroiled in with a few people at my university.
The people that discussed this issue were from a wide group of
ethnic backgrounds. Some were Italian, Asian, Indian, German,
French, and the rest mostly Macedonian or Greek.
To my surprise...I thought that most people that heard of the
problem would have said, "man, you guys are at each others
throats. Just give it up, both of you [Macedonian & Greek]"
But what I was told by ALL of the non-Greeks was that they
were on OUR [Macedonian] side on this issue because it would
set a MAJOR international precedent if one country told
another country what to do regarding its domestic and foreign
affairs and that our CASE sounded more credible and concrete
as opposed to the "stories and tales" that the Greeks have
been telling them.
The funny thing, or better yet, pathetic truth is that Greeks
have a thought pattern of saying and truly beleiving that
"Macedonia is Greece" and nothing else. Just like a hypnotist
tells you to beleive something and after hearing it over and
over.....you beleive it!! Greeks always say...Macedonia is
Greece...BUT can NEVER honestly give a historical basis as to
WHY, oh DEAR GOD WHY is it so?
Its always something like, "My father TOLD me..." or "I have always
been taught by my Greek teachers that...". NEVER has it been,
"well I read some books and they state that..." Greeks just do what
they are told...nothing more and nothing less. Puppets!
The BRAINWASHING must stop!!!! I suggest that Greeks revolt against
the Papandreou government before more harm is done to Greece and
DEMAND the truth be told as to why Greece is occupying Macedonia, why
it changed the original names of the villages, rivers, mountains,
and people of Macedonia to Greek and why it still hassles these peace
loving and democratic people.
I myself am one person who had his Macedonian village name changed to
a Greek one, his street changed to "Pavlos Melas Blvd" *PUKE*
his house confiscated by the Greek authorities, surname changed from
a Macedonian one "Saragil" to "Saragiopoulos" [we then changed it back],
etc, etc, etc....
This is something that Greece owes me an official apology for, but I
know I will never get it because of its cowardliness. Just like those
of you who are too cowardly to post to me in public. I feel sorry for
you people. YOU HAVE BEEN LIVING A LIE ALL YOUR LIVES!!!!!
Greeks should pick up a book and read the history of their land from
foreign authors and not from government financed garbage and then
maybe can they see just alittle truth. But don't worry, I don't
expect much from you people. Greeks don't learn anything new, they
just remember the PAST and fight to keep it the way they wrote it.
While other states move into the 21st century with new ideas and
innovations, Greece can feel proud that they have not evolved as have
other societies. They can just pitifully CLING to their past
and remember the time when Greece was a great power in the world, even
though it took a Macedonian to pave the way for them.
On the coat tails of a Macedonian is how Greece will be remembered...
[i guess thats why its so imperative to keep the lies going on
the "greekness" of Alexander the his father Philip of Macedon]
tsk, tsk, I honestly feel sorry for you!
*sigh* oh well....
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Peter Carayannopoulos
>From: an6...@anon.penet.fi (Steve Saragil)
>Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:48:53 UTC
>Subject: Greece should give up Macedonia!
What a bigot!!!!
Petros Carayannopoulos.
Christos Aristotle Christou
This is the last time I am going to fuel your fire by
writing back because obviously I will never get into to your
backward mind. However, there is just one, simple fact that I
want to point out to you. If all the names of these supposed villages,
towns, etc. were changed, which I am sure they were not, then
why do you use "Macedonia" as the name of your country? Did it
ever occur to you that the word is Greek?! In fact, in Greek,
it means the tallest. Or, that Alexander, who was from
Macedonia, is a Greek name?! Please, stop repeating yourself
with your uneducated lies. There must be a soc.fyrom.ignorant
newsgroup out there somewhere for you.
XPHCTOC
Eleftheria!
C. Evangelinos
|> I myself am one person who had his Macedonian village name changed to
|> a Greek one, his street changed to "Pavlos Melas Blvd" *PUKE*
|> his house confiscated by the Greek authorities, surname changed from
|> a Macedonian one "Saragil" to "Saragiopoulos" [we then changed it back],
|> etc, etc, etc....
How heart breaking! I'm touched... Maybe my friend's family that had this done to
her by you lot should rejoice in the thought that some of you got paid back in
the same way. :-) Then again why do you complain - you changed your own name to
Steve (a very Slavic name I must admit ;->. And next time don't laugh so hard or
even the newbies will understand the flamebait.
Constantinos
Chris Nicholas Kyrus
>
> The funny thing, or better yet, pathetic truth is that Greeks
> have a thought pattern of saying and truly beleiving that
> "Macedonia is Greece" and nothing else. Just like a hypnotist
> tells you to beleive something and after hearing it over and
> over.....you beleive it!!
Try learning this one(maybe if you hear it over and over you'll
believe it:
i before e except after c
Do you BELIEVE it?
Learn to spell buddy!
By the way, believing the truth is easy.
> I myself am one person who had his Macedonian village name changed to
> a Greek one, his street changed to "Pavlos Melas Blvd" *PUKE*
> his house confiscated by the Greek authorities, surname changed from
> a Macedonian one "Saragil" to "Saragiopoulos" [we then changed it back],
> etc, etc, etc....
I'm certainly glad that your family had its name changed. I
wouldn't want someone like you to have the honor/privilege to
hold a Greek name. You would be an insult to my people.
> This is something that Greece owes me an official apology for, but I
> know I will never get it because of its cowardliness.
I don't believe that courage has anything to do with it. We
just don't feel that an apology is owed. But you can keep
waiting for it.
> Greeks don't learn anything new, they
> just remember the PAST and fight to keep it the way they wrote it.
Whatever!
NO rebuttle necessary. Bullshit is all it is.
>
> tsk, tsk, I honestly feel sorry for you!
The feeling is quite mutual.
Steve,
Why do you and people like you (Serdar, etc) insist on writing
on the Greek Culture newsgroup. I'm sure that the initial
purpose of the group was to be a way for Greeks to communicate
to each other and for others to learn a little about what makes
Greek culture so unique.
Do you just like to play games?
Chris
as37...@orion.yorku.ca
On second thought I am grateful to you for making me realize that I have been
living a lie all these years!! I just realized that my real name is not
Carayannopoulos! It is the bad Greeks that made me change my name! It used
to be Carayagil!!! The bad Greeks also killed my family; they skinned them
alive, roasted them, and then ate them!! The bad Greeks also changed the
name of the city I was born. I cannot remember what its name used to be but
now the bad Greeks call it Athens (or Athena or something like that). As of
the history and culture of Ancient Greece, what a joke!! They stole everything
and then they manipulated the rest of the world into believing that the
Hellenic ancient marvel was really theirs!! Shame to the Greeks!!
I AM WITH YOU FRIEND SARAGIL. WE BELONG TO THE SAME LUNATIC ASYLUM!!
IT IS MORONS LIKE YOU AND ME THAT HAVE CREATED THE MADNESS THE BALKANS
ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW!!
Your eternal friend,
Petros Carayannopoulos (Carayagil).
.0-456,123OS94
Angelos Karageorgiou
Steve Saragil <an6...@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>First off, I'd like to thank all the Greeks that felt it
>prudent, NO, let me rephrase that, imperative to basically
>TELL me where to go and where I should stick my views on
>my private e-mail! hahahahahaha
>
2948 Notices of Motions: 2nd March 1994 No.59
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705 FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA
Mr. Edward O'Hara
Mr. Alan Meale
Mr. Tom Cox
Mrs. Barbara Roche
Mr. Derek Enright
Mr. Robert N. Wareing
*9
Mr. Lawrence Cunliffe Bridget Prentice Mr. Jim Dowd
That this House, noting that the Republic of Greece has suspended
trade with the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) through
its ports of Salonica, recognises that the dispute between Greece and
FYROM is neither peripheral nor petty but has deep-rooted historical,
cultural and political justifications; calls upon Her Majesty's
Government, in conjunction with its European partners, to bring all
possible pressure to bear upon the Government of FYROM to resolve the
very real problems for Greece which arise from certain articles of its
constitution, its choice of national emblem, its insistence on the name
of Macedonia and its continuation of irredentist propaganda, all of
which in fact deflect attention from the more serious problems which
are internal to FYROM and which threaten future security in the Balkans;
and hopes that thereby Greece will be enabled to pursue the policies of
peace, support and co-operation which it wishes to have with FYROM.
>I was talking about the current situation that Macedonia and
>Greece is embroiled in with a few people at my university.
Macedonia has no beef with Greece, it is in greece after
all, if you reffering to yuor freedonia, keep it up :-)
>"well I read some books and they state that..." Greeks just do what
>they are told...nothing more and nothing less. Puppets!
>
Whereas you quoting that Thessaloniki was never Greek
smacks of academic research in all the propa institutes
>The BRAINWASHING must stop!!!! I suggest that Greeks revolt against
>the Papandreou government before more harm is done to Greece and
>DEMAND the truth be told as to why Greece is occupying Macedonia, why
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are you in your right mind boyo? what weed have you been
been smoking?
>tsk, tsk, I honestly feel sorry for you!
>*sigh* oh well....
ditto
--
Angelos Karageorgiou | The opinions expressed above are nobody else's but
Yeian kai Eytyxeian | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$%
Live long & Prosper | NO CARRIER
I am a Macedon , a Greek Macedon, the only kind of Macedon
Nikos Padgiotis
Saragil, you sound like a mad dog that just broke loose and is running
free barking left and right trying to find its way. Good luck in your
search. When you find out the truth just remember that some others in
the soc.culture.greek where trying to help longtime ago but you were busy
barking.
Good luck!
Nikos.
Serdar Argic
> Laugh this out , from the Brittish house of representatives.
Pardon us? Did fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government pay for its crime
of genocide perpetrated against 2.5 million of our people in x-Soviet
Armenia and Eastern Anatolia? Nope. But, Germans paid for their crime
of genocide.
The justice is long overdue.
Source: Prof F. Hertas, "Van Turkish Genocide Museum: Ottoman and Western
Documents on the Genocide Committed by the Armenians Against the
Turks," (Ankara, 1984).
p. 42.
"A 30,000-strong Armenian Army captured the town of Polathane on 27.1,
erected tents in the region and carried out massacres against the Moslem
inhabitants.
Moslem women were beheaded, faces slashed, and the mutilated bodies
of Moslem men and women exhibited in a shameless way.
On 28/29.1 Orus village 16 Km.s Southeast of Polathane was raided
by the Armenian Army, and whole Moslem population was massacred."
"According to information received from the reconnaissance column in
Bayburt, an Armenian Army of 40,000, left Bayburt and withdrew to
Erzurum over Sandik inns. Before leaving Bayburt, the Armenians
treacherously murdered and burned over 22,000 Muslim people."
p. 49.
"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from
leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night
they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,
after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements
of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around
Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are
being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and
barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."
p. 57.
"As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the
population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are
facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties
and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate
the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have
regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and
cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority
seems to be failing in restoring order."
Serdar Argic
'We have never denied the Armenian crime of
genocide inflicted upon 2.5 million Muslim
people between 1914 and 1920.' (Agop Zahoryan)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian)
Serdar Argic
>Tell me your feelings about brain.
Why not, "Ted Frank the Idiot of SDPA/Armenian Church"? Referring
to notes from the personal diary of Russian General L. Odishe Liyetze
on the Muslim front, he wrote,
"On the nights 11-12 March alone Armenian butchers bayoneted and
axed to death Muslim people in areas surrounding Erzincan. These
barbars threw their victims into pits, most likely dug according to
their sinister plans to extinguish Muslims, in groups of 80. My adjutant
counted and unearthed 200 such pits. This is an act against our world
of civilization."
On March 12, Lieut-colonel Griyaznof wrote (from an official
Russian account of the Muslim Holocaust),
"Roads leading to villages were littered with bayoneted torsos,
dismembered joints and carved out organs of Muslim peasants...
alas! mainly of women and children."
"The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and
the act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian renegades...
Large holes were dug and the defenceless Turks were slaughtered like
animals next to the holes. Later, the murdered Turks were thrown into
the holes. The Armenian who stood near the hole would say when the
hole was filled with the corpses: 'Seventy dead bodies, well, this
hole can take ten more.' Thus ten more Turks would be cut into pieces,
thrown into the hole, and when the hole was full it would be covered
over with soil.
The Armenians responsible for the act of murdering would frequently
fill a house with eighty Turks, and cut their heads off one by one.
Following the Erzincan massacre, the Armenians began to withdraw
towards Erzurum... The Armenian renegades among those who withdrew
to Erzurum from Erzincan raided the Moslem villages on the road, and
destroyed the entire population, together with the villages."
N0...@cunyvm.cuny.edu
to your dissatisfaction I might add, that the former Yugoslav republic
of Macedonia was no more than a creation by Tito. The piece of land you call
the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia was created by Tito because he had
plans for a greater Macedonia in which one day he would try and take over the
greek province of Macedonia. All your "history" was fabricated. It is all
lies!!! Alexander the Great was a greek macedonian and that my friend you can
verify by reading any book of history! The star of Vergina is and will always
be Greek. So stop whining and learn the facts before you embarrass yourself
Serdar Argic
> Laugh this out , from the Brittish house of representatives.
Pardon us? Did fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government pay for its crime
p. 42.
p. 49.
p. 57.
Serdar Argic
Serdar Argic