Downtown
your_na...@cats.ucsc.edu
years ago. There was quite a problem with "the homeless" but even they
have seemed to blend into the wood work. The long awaited rennovation of
our downtown is turning out beautifully. The architecture of the new
buildings is just lovely. Maybe our homeless feel like they are dressed
down for the occasion.
However there is one major problem. Who decided to have traffic on the
mall? Considering there are what, maybe thirty spaces to park, is it worth
it? I feel that allowing the cars have deterred some people from coming to
enjoy a nice walk or bike ride to window-shop. I don't like to ride my
bike to the mall because of all of the stop signs and limited access to
certain place because of one way routes and I know that I am not alone. I
do hope that whoever made this final decision does realize what a mistake
it was in this small, touristy, beach community.
John R Pierce
So you don't want to see ANY businesses succeed on the mall?
When I have my 2 little kids in tow and am popping downtown for a bag
of bagels or whatever, if I can't park within a block of where I'm
going, I'd rather drive to (ugh) 41st.
-jrp
sclos...@my-deja.com
John R Pierce <anti...@here.not> wrote:
> When I have my 2 little kids in tow and am popping downtown for a bag
> of bagels or whatever, if I can't park within a block of where I'm
> going, I'd rather drive to (ugh) 41st.
How often do you actually park on Pacific Ave?
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John R Pierce
>In article <384b6b9c...@news.dnai.com>,
> John R Pierce <anti...@here.not> wrote:
>
>> When I have my 2 little kids in tow and am popping downtown for a bag
>> of bagels or whatever, if I can't park within a block of where I'm
>> going, I'd rather drive to (ugh) 41st.
>
>How often do you actually park on Pacific Ave?
most frequently I park on one of the side streets such as Locust,
Church, or Cooper. Note that if you close Pacific to traffic, you
effectively close all the side streets too, unless you plan on
knocking a few businesses down to widen the ends to make cul-de-sacs.
If you allow cross traffic, yet close Pacific itself, you end up with
a real mess, you will have a street of milling people paying little or
no attention to the crossing cars (hmm, we practically have that
now). And, of course, there are almost no straight-across streets
except Cathcart and Laurel, so you'll need to have traffic from Locust
to Church so they can connect with Cooper, and from Walnut and Lincoln
to connect to Soquel... No, sorry, it just doesn't work.
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> (Gene Spafford)
Hmm, that reminds me of a comment that would fit for USENET that was
made about dancing elephants "it is not so much that they dance well, but
that they dance at all."
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FDellasant
>mall? Considering there are what, maybe thirty spaces to park, is it worth
>it? I feel that allowing the cars have deterred some people from coming to
>enjoy a nice walk or bike ride to window-shop. I don't like to ride my
>bike to the mall because of all of the stop signs and limited access to
>certain place because of one way routes and I know that I am not alone.
The Mall is constructed on "Pacific Avenue." (hint, hint) The sidewalks provide
adequate space for walking, browsing, shopping
and whatever else one may desire. You can walk to the mall, ride your bike or
drive your car, whichever you choose. It's not difficult or
inconvenient as you seem to feel...nor was it a mistake. We all seem to get
along just fine, as we have and always will......
sclos...@my-deja.com
John R Pierce <anti...@here.not> wrote:
> sclos...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <384b6b9c...@news.dnai.com>,
> > John R Pierce <anti...@here.not> wrote:
> >
> >> When I have my 2 little kids in tow and am popping downtown for a
bag
> >> of bagels or whatever, if I can't park within a block of where I'm
> >> going, I'd rather drive to (ugh) 41st.
> >
> >How often do you actually park on Pacific Ave?
>
> most frequently I park on one of the side streets such as Locust,
> Church, or Cooper. Note that if you close Pacific to traffic, you
> effectively close all the side streets too, unless you plan on
> knocking a few businesses down to widen the ends to make cul-de-sacs.
>
> If you allow cross traffic, yet close Pacific itself, you end up with
> a real mess, you will have a street of milling people paying little or
> no attention to the crossing cars (hmm, we practically have that
> now). And, of course, there are almost no straight-across streets
> except Cathcart and Laurel, so you'll need to have traffic from Locust
> to Church so they can connect with Cooper, and from Walnut and Lincoln
> to connect to Soquel... No, sorry, it just doesn't work.
So, in other words, it would be completely impractical for you to drive
a few extra blocks to Laurel or Water to get to the other side of
Pacific, so you'll drive a few miles to 41st Ave instead? That's
called "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
John Reece
your_na...@cats.ucsc.edu wrote in message ...
>The downtown area has come a long way since I relocated to Santa Cruz ten
>years ago. There was quite a problem with "the homeless" but even they
>have seemed to blend into the wood work. The long awaited rennovation of
>our downtown is turning out beautifully. The architecture of the new
>buildings is just lovely. Maybe our homeless feel like they are dressed
>down for the occasion.
>mall? Considering there are what, maybe thirty spaces to park, is it worth
>it?
Good question. There would be the problem of delivery trucks, but European
ped malls deal with that by allowing them, say, before 10am. Merchants
are also obsessed with having on-street parking spaces right in front of
their
stores. I doubt this is a factor as I rarely count on finding a space on
Pacific Avenue or waste time even trying for one. In fact I usually head
straight
for an outlying garage.
>I feel that allowing the cars have deterred some people from coming to
>enjoy a nice walk or bike ride to window-shop.
I doubt that, but it's not as bucolic a hang out. That was partly
intentional,
btw, so as to reduce the attraction to certain elements. Just like with
the plaza issue.
It'd be nice if they'd put in a few smaller fountains, though.
John Reece
John R Pierce
>So, in other words, it would be completely impractical for you to drive
>a few extra blocks to Laurel or Water to get to the other side of
>Pacific, so you'll drive a few miles to 41st Ave instead? That's
>called "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
if you close the cross streets you remove HUNDREDS of parking spaces
that are directly adjacent to Pacific. Most of them simply aren't wide
enough for a turnaround at the end without knocking a few prime corner
buildings down. While my little Jetta could probably navigate a
U-turn at the corner by the ID building, I doubt a GMC Suburban could.
Sad but true, more folks are buying Suburbans these days than Jettas.
Most of the time I go downtown, there is one specific thing I'm
getting. I'm not going down there to 'hang out and window shop', I've
got better things to do with my time. Most frequently, I might be
picking up a pound of coffee beans, or I might be getting a bag of
bagels... Once in the last 12 months, I did go to The Vault to get my
sweetie a birthday present. A few times I hit Bookshop Santa Cruz
(and 2 out of 3 times don't find what I was looking for), but when I
do that, I park on Front Street or that garage by Hobbees there, and
enter on that side. Other than that, I can't think of *anything* else
down there... Oh, wait. Last Christmas I did do some shopping at
CookWorks and wandered through ID without finding anything. We did go
to one show at the Catalyst, and another at Palookaville, but more
frequently we go to the Kuumbwa on Cedar Street.
-jrp
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>> However there is one major problem. Who decided to have traffic on the
>>mall? Considering there are what, maybe thirty spaces to park, is it worth
>>it? I feel that allowing the cars have deterred some people from coming to
>>enjoy a nice walk or bike ride to window-shop. I don't like to ride my
>>bike to the mall because of all of the stop signs and limited access to
>>certain place because of one way routes and I know that I am not alone.
>The Mall is constructed on "Pacific Avenue." (hint, hint) The sidewalks provide
>adequate space for walking, browsing, shopping
>and whatever else one may desire. You can walk to the mall, ride your bike or
>drive your car, whichever you choose. It's not difficult or
>inconvenient as you seem to feel...nor was it a mistake. We all seem to get
>along just fine, as we have and always will......
After the earthquake the name of downtown was change from Pacific
Garden Mall to Downtown Santa Cruz. There is no longer a Pacific Mall.
One of the options considered after the earthquake was to close parts off
to traffic and make it more mall like. Instead there is slightly more
automobile access and the "garden" part has been cut back because it created
dark areas.
Bikes can ride on the street, but are not allowed on the sidewalks,
so reducing the access cars would reduce the access to bicycles as well.
IMHO, the fewer vehicles on the sidewalk the better.
Laura Dolson
wrote:
>If you allow cross traffic, yet close Pacific itself, you end up with
>a real mess, you will have a street of milling people paying little or
>no attention to the crossing cars
I have seen this work in other cities, though...
>(hmm, we practically have that
>now).
As you note, SC may be different <cough>.
Laura
Tim May
Dolson) wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:02:52 -0800, John R Pierce <anti...@here.not>
> wrote:
>
>
> >If you allow cross traffic, yet close Pacific itself, you end up with
> >a real mess, you will have a street of milling people paying little or
> >no attention to the crossing cars
>
> I have seen this work in other cities, though...
And when this issue was really being debated (clue: it is _way_ too late
now...the time to have set this up was when the new route for Pacific
Avenue was being laid-out, right after the quake, not now) there were
examples presented of cities which had tried the "walking street" approach
and then abandoned it.
(No, I _don't_ have a URL for this...this was reported in the various
papers back when Vision Santa Cruz was having frequent public meetings.)
There are numerous issues involved:
* deliveries...many Pacific buildings have only a front access (and hand
trucks are not always the answer, as some deliveries involve quick
drop-offs from cars)
* taxis, for the restaurants and such
* the lack of traffic means some residents never really discover the street
* bicycles -- unless a separate bike lane is created (and then watch out
for pedestrians forgetting it exists), bicycles would also be banned
* the major, major issue of traffic flow, side streets, etc. Amply
addressed by other posters. (The three main walking streets I have spent a
lot of time on, the ones in Copenhagen, Amsterdam, and Vienna, all are
streets built many centuries ago, in "old towns" with limited cross
streets. Note that the most successful streets in Paris, Rome, and
Berlin--Champs Elyssee, Via Veneto, Ku-damm--are NOT walking streets.)
* parking -- while parking may be difficult along Pacific, the loss of
those parking spaces on Pacific and on the side streets affected would be
significant
* finally, why bother? Pacific Avenue is already adequately crowded. And
it's relatively painless to cross back and forth (jaywalking is not an
issue, of course).
In any case, it is way too late. Closing Pacific and the side streets
crossing it would dramatically alter certain businesses, and the traffic
flow into parking structures.
Maybe after the next earthquake....
--Tim May
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Geoff Miller
John R Pierce <anti...@here.not> writes:
> If you allow cross traffic, yet close Pacific itself, you end up with
> a real mess, you will have a street of milling people paying little or
> no attention to the crossing cars
Sounds like Pacific Avenue *now.* In fact, it sounds like any other
politically correct university town in which the stoonts (and other
leftist assholes) are allowed to acquired the illusion that they and
their silly little Schwinns, and pedestrians, are at liberty to re-
organize the transportational food chain.
Roads are for cars. Bicycles and pedestrians need to stay the hell off
to the side where they're out from underfoot.
Geoff
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sclos...@my-deja.com
John R Pierce <anti...@here.not> wrote:
>
> >So, in other words, it would be completely impractical for you to
drive
> >a few extra blocks to Laurel or Water to get to the other side of
> >Pacific, so you'll drive a few miles to 41st Ave instead? That's
> >called "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
>
> if you close the cross streets you remove HUNDREDS of parking spaces
> that are directly adjacent to Pacific
Hundreds? ROTLFMAO
melp...@cruzio.com
several reasons why Pacific was not closed to vehicle traffic after
the earthquake.
Another reason I recall brought up at the time that Tim did not cite
was the perceived personal safety issue - that closing Pacific to
vehicles might result in less visibility creating the impression that
a person might not be as safe from crime. It wasn't so much the idea
of the actual safety, but rather perceived safety - hence, it might
make Pacific a less favorable shopping destination for women or the
elderly.
I rarely shop there now as it is, because it's not so easy to get
around with a couple of kids in tow. Actually, I rarely shop anywhere
but the internet these days, because it's so much easier - but when I
do shop, my children are usually with me, and I go places where I can
park nearby. Parking nearby isn't just a matter of convenience but of
necessity for many people - but that's not something I would expect
able-bodied childless people to think about much.
--Mel
melp...@cruzio.com
Tim May
> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:58:14 -0800, tc...@got.net (Tim May) listed
> several reasons why Pacific was not closed to vehicle traffic after
> the earthquake.
>
> Another reason I recall brought up at the time that Tim did not cite
> was the perceived personal safety issue - that closing Pacific to
> vehicles might result in less visibility creating the impression that
> a person might not be as safe from crime. It wasn't so much the idea
> of the actual safety, but rather perceived safety - hence, it might
> make Pacific a less favorable shopping destination for women or the
> elderly.
Besides the _perceived_ safety problem, there is also the _actual_ issue
that fire trucks, police vehicles, and ambulances would not have easy
access to Pacific Avenue. It is possible to open up a pedestrian-only
street to such vehicles, but not easily and rarely (else pedestrians won't
use the street, which defeats the purpose).
Yeah, the police can (and do) ride bicycles. But notice how many actual
police cars are on the street--quite a few. Some of these are canine
units, some are cars being used to load in arrestees, and some are just
there for "presence." I watched three cars pull up outside the Palomar
yesterday to encourage some amateur rappers (one black kid and two white
kids dressed up as "niggaz") to move along.
--Tim May
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Glen Appleby
(Geoff Miller) wrote:
>Roads are for cars. Bicycles and pedestrians need to stay the hell off
>to the side where they're out from underfoot.
Still using that "Fred Flintstone" car?
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Don Steiny
>On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:58:14 -0800, tc...@got.net (Tim May) listed
>several reasons why Pacific was not closed to vehicle traffic after
>the earthquake.
>Another reason I recall brought up at the time that Tim did not cite
>was the perceived personal safety issue - that closing Pacific to
>vehicles might result in less visibility creating the impression that
>a person might not be as safe from crime.
It would more of a hangout for dealers and bums.
Tim May
ste...@infopoint.com (Don Steiny) wrote:
> melp...@cruzio.com writes:
>
> >On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:58:14 -0800, tc...@got.net (Tim May) listed
> >several reasons why Pacific was not closed to vehicle traffic after
> >the earthquake.
>
> >Another reason I recall brought up at the time that Tim did not cite
> >was the perceived personal safety issue - that closing Pacific to
> >vehicles might result in less visibility creating the impression that
> >a person might not be as safe from crime.
>
> It would more of a hangout for dealers and bums.
>
By the way, a useful comparison would be to the "3rd Street Promenade" in
Santa Monica, a few blocks from the beach.
When it was rebuilt/refurbished after the Northridge quake, traffic flows
were altered so that much of the area is now pedestrian-only. (Barriers
can be lowered, I suppose for deliveries, building, etc..) Cross-traffic
on the main streets (Arizona, Santa Monica Blvd.) is allowed to flow
normally, controlled by lights.
Well, like Pacific Avenue, it can be a fun place to stroll. Lots of movie
theaters, coffee shops, bookstores (including a large Barnes and Noble or
Borders which has effectively nuked some of the older, smaller
bookstores). And more and more small "trinket shops." Lava lamps, toe
rings, beads, and other things the natives trade their land to outsiders
for.
But, like Pacific, it also has a seedy side. Lots of drifters drift in, as
they are wont to do. Terrible street musicians, Jesus freaks, and so on.
Not a place I would want to take children to, becuase the "interesting"
street performers, the Mr. Twisy types, are offset by the "extremely
weird" types like the "There is No God" troll, the pierced nipple people,
the ditzes riding the wrong way on bicycles, and just the smelling-of-shit
winos and hoboes.
And so the serious shoppers go elsewhere. The result is a shift toward
more "trinket shops" and the aforementioned coffee houses and small
eateries. Bruce Bratton complains in "The Metro" that one of the bagel
shops--or is the coffee shop next door?--is filthy, but he ignores the
fact that Pacific has a dozen coffee shops and that the average
expenditure per patron is a measly $2.00, no tips thanks very much. Kind
of hard to justify sweeping the front area when at night winos use the
entranceway to piss in.
The effect on taxes is likely to be significant (sales and business taxes,
business income taxes, property taxes on property).
After it was first opened, my friends and family in the LA area were
anxious to show it to me, to take me there for the "fun" of walking in a
Europe-like walking street. However, I haven't been there in a while now,
and my brother and sister say they never go there. Too crowded with
tourists and trinket buyers, too many panhandlers and smelly tramps, too
little parking, and nothing of real interest to buy. In other words, an
"everybody's got to see in at least once" freak show.
I see the same thing likely to happy to Pacific Avenue. Already we are
seeing an increase in the number of "Asian trinket" shops...another one
just opened in the site of the old Woolworth's. And there's something
similar in the old "Downtown Association" offices a few doors up from
Chefworks and Bugaboo. (Some kind of "Women's Rape Crisis Collective
Pottery and Craft Center," or somesuch. I didn't dare go in.)
Along with, of course, East Meets West, Tengarra, and the established
trinket/antique stores between the Cooper House and the Palomar. A store
selling incense sticks and small brass candlestick holders is kind of
neat, but the proliferation speaks to the demographics of the shoppers.
And of course such small trinket shops don't generate a lot of sales
compared to a Capitola Mall or a Valley Fair...or even a Circuit City. Not
to mention the wages for the droids selling such incense sticks and $8 toe
rings.
Passing new laws to discourage businesses and corporate tenants will no
doubt make Gary Johnson happy. "We've shown the .corps we don't want
them!"
Yep, we've shown the dot corps. Or is that we've been shown the corpse?
Tim May
> On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:52:22 -0800, crack smoking weasels forced
> tc...@got.net (Tim May) to say:
>
> > I watched three cars pull up outside the Palomar
> >yesterday to encourage some amateur rappers (one black kid and two white
> >kids dressed up as "niggaz") to move along.
>
> You should have shot them, Tim.
Smart ass. You need killing.
Just my opinion.
Fucking creep.
Tim May
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> Tim May (tc...@got.net) wrote:
> : In article <38445646...@news.sou.edu>, dan...@mind.net wrote:
> : >
> : > You should have shot them, Tim.
>
>
> : Smart ass. You need killing.
>
> : Just my opinion.
>
> : Fucking creep.
>
> With skin this thin, Tim, it must be terribly painful for you when you
> sneeze.
Fuck off. You're just a lightweight trying to pile on when you think you can.
Your black ice thinking showed your mettle.
Mike Parrish
> In article <38445646...@news.sou.edu>, dan...@mind.net wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:52:22 -0800, crack smoking weasels forced
> > tc...@got.net (Tim May) to say:
> >
> > > I watched three cars pull up outside the Palomar
> > >yesterday to encourage some amateur rappers (one black kid and two white
> > >kids dressed up as "niggaz") to move along.
> >
> > You should have shot them, Tim.
>
> Smart ass. You need killing.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Fucking creep.
Bad Tim! Bad!No cookie for you!
Go to your kennel!
Bad Tim... Lithium time....
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Welcome to the scruz.general "Tim's gonna kill you" list, Steve.
You are entry #6389.
Please ignoring the frothing man behind the curtain.
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Daniel Veditz
>
> By the way, a useful comparison would be to the "3rd Street Promenade" in
> Santa Monica, a few blocks from the beach.
>
> When it was rebuilt/refurbished after the Northridge quake, traffic flows
> were altered so that much of the area is now pedestrian-only. (Barriers
> can be lowered, I suppose for deliveries, building, etc..) Cross-traffic
> on the main streets (Arizona, Santa Monica Blvd.) is allowed to flow
> normally, controlled by lights.
3rd street is a useful comparison, and the full history even more so.
The original 3rd-street Promenade was built in the early 60's, I
believe, around the time my uncles went to Santa Monica High School just
a few blocks away. The city took three blocks of 3rd street and turned
it into a pedestrian mall, leaving the cross streets. Initially
successful, by the late 70's it had decayed as customers preferred new
indoor malls--with better parking--that had sprung up around the area.
The final nail in the coffin came in 80/81 or so (when I was attending
Santa Monica HS myself) when a new indoor mall, "The Santa Monica
Place", was built at the end of the 3rd street mall. In addition to loss
from customers prefering the new clean (and safer) indoor mall, the
promenade suffered further when many of its successful businesses moved
into the new mall. The Promenade became almost the skid-row of Santa
Monica.
The city started to rennovate the Promenade in the mid-to-late eighties,
I don't remember exactly when, but while I was still living down there
so long before the Northridge Quake. They opened up a single lane down
the middle (no parking), so it was still primarily a pedestrian
promenade but there was *some* visibility from traffic. They added
fountains, topiary, a nicer sidewalk surface, and attracted a couple of
theatres and upscale night spots.
Because of the crowds the city blocked off traffic at night, but it was
open during the day.
It became popular as a hot night spot and they sold some office space,
but I never saw much revitalization in retail stores; success was almost
entirely entertainment-centered. The city has had a real homeless
problem for pretty much the same reasons as Santa Cruz and that never
really got cleaned up, so the Promenade was still a bit creepy in
daylight when there weren't many people about.
-Dan Veditz
Mike Parrish
> In article <81vm22$s42$1...@samba.rahul.net>, Sherwood Harrington
> <sher...@rahul.net> wrote:
>
> > .net>:
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> > Tim May (tc...@got.net) wrote:
> > : In article <38445646...@news.sou.edu>, dan...@mind.net wrote:
> > : >
> > : > You should have shot them, Tim.
> >
> >
> > : Smart ass. You need killing.
> >
> > : Just my opinion.
> >
> > : Fucking creep.
> >
> > With skin this thin, Tim, it must be terribly painful for you when you
> > sneeze.
>
> Fuck off. You're just a lightweight trying to pile on when you think you can.
>
> Your black ice thinking showed your mettle.
Bad Tim!
No Cookie!
Now go to your room and try to write more thoughtful posts.
Welcome the the scruz.general "Tim's gonna kill you" list.
You are entry #6390.
Congratulations...
Mike
Steve Daniels
tc...@got.net (Tim May) to say:
> I watched three cars pull up outside the Palomar
>yesterday to encourage some amateur rappers (one black kid and two white
>kids dressed up as "niggaz") to move along.
You should have shot them, Tim.
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Tim May (tc...@got.net) wrote:
: In article <38445646...@news.sou.edu>, dan...@mind.net wrote:
: >
: > You should have shot them, Tim.
: Smart ass. You need killing.
: Just my opinion.
: Fucking creep.
With skin this thin, Tim, it must be terribly painful for you when you
sneeze.
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: <sher...@rahul.net> wrote:
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: > <3842b18...@cnews.newsguy.com>
: > <tcmay-29119...@dyn-207-111-242-173.sjc.got.net>
: <38445646...@news.sou.edu>
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: > Organization: DeAnza College Astronomy Department
: > Distribution:
: >
: > Tim May (tc...@got.net) wrote:
: > : In article <38445646...@news.sou.edu>, dan...@mind.net wrote:
: > : >
: > : > You should have shot them, Tim.
: >
: >
: > : Smart ass. You need killing.
: >
: > : Just my opinion.
: >
: > : Fucking creep.
: >
: > With skin this thin, Tim, it must be terribly painful for you when you
: > sneeze.
: Fuck off. You're just a lightweight...
... my physician would dearly like me to be as you describe.
: trying to pile on when you think you can.
... nobody'd started any "pile", Tim. Just pointing out that you're a bit
easy to offend -- oh, sorry... I guess that IS "piling on".
: Your black ice thinking showed your mettle.
My black ice _posting_ showed a lack of thinking through the physics --
but I don't think that equates to a deficiency of "mettle".
Steve Daniels
tc...@got.net (Tim May) to say:
>> You should have shot them, Tim.
>
>
>Smart ass. You need killing.
<tick tock> The Tim May Death Clock, by Timex.
swe...@scruznet.com
> Yeah, the police can (and do) ride bicycles. But notice how many actual
> police cars are on the street--quite a few. Some of these are canine
> units, some are cars being used to load in arrestees, and some are just
> there for "presence." I watched three cars pull up outside the Palomar
> yesterday to encourage some amateur rappers (one black kid and two white
> kids dressed up as "niggaz") to move along.
I saw that too. What's interesting is that they didn't have any
instruments, or any boom-box, and weren't asking for money. I was
wondering what makes them worse than those damn chanting, tambourine
toting ferries in dresses, passing out dough-balls only a block away
(which must not be very good since they were lying all over the streets).
-sw
Tim May
> On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:17:44 -0800, crack smoking weasels forced
> Mike Parrish <spl...@postoffice.pacbell.net> to say:
>
> >Welcome to the scruz.general "Tim's gonna kill you" list, Steve.
>
> Cool.
>
> Hope he's up for one hell of a long drive.
I'm only interested in killing those who cross onto my property and don't
leave when I tell them to.
If this includes Officer Steve Daniels, Minimum Wage Jailer, fine by me.
So what "long drive" could I possibly be facing?
Steve Daniels
Mike Parrish <spl...@postoffice.pacbell.net> to say:
>Welcome to the scruz.general "Tim's gonna kill you" list, Steve.
Cool.
Hope he's up for one hell of a long drive.
Steve Daniels
tc...@got.net (Tim May) to say:
>I'm only interested in killing those who cross onto my property and don't
>leave when I tell them to.
Or random policemen who enforce the law against your
(non-existant) children.
>If this includes Officer Steve Daniels, Minimum Wage Jailer, fine by me.
The last year I did that work, I made over $45,000. No big
whoop, I realize, especially when compared against Bay Area
salaries, but it's hardly the minimum. Oh, and I realize that
you're just trying to make me feel less than adequate by
mentioning money, and perhaps the fact that you have more of it
than I do. Why don't we nip this in the bud and just whip 'em
out and measure 'em.
Anybody got a ruler?
>So what "long drive" could I possibly be facing?
Southern Oregon. I'm sure you'd be disinterested in shooting me
by the time you got to Weed, and would turn around and go home
like a good little psycho.
Geoff Miller
tc...@got.net (Tim May) writes:
[to Steve Daniels]
> Smart ass. You need killing.
Just for being a smart ass?
Come on, Tim. Death is supposed to be the ultimate
penalty. Punishments, like rewards, should be issued
with care. When you act as though you'd hand death
out like so many Crackerjack prizes, the idea tends
to lose a lot of its emotional impact.
Geoff
--
"It takes a special kind of retard to be offended so easily."
-- Adam Thrasher
Geoff Miller
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> writes:
> Speaking of which... what's a good site for Java source these days?
You tell us. You're the "Javahelp," are you not?
Glen Appleby
scruz.general,dan...@mind.net (Steve Daniels) wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:17:44 -0800, crack smoking weasels forced
>Mike Parrish <spl...@postoffice.pacbell.net> to say:
>
>>Welcome to the scruz.general "Tim's gonna kill you" list, Steve.
>
>Cool.
>
>Hope he's up for one hell of a long drive.
Aw, come on! You have been known to come down here for the
occasional gathering.
Glen Appleby
(Geoff Miller) wrote:
>Come on, Tim. Death is supposed to be the ultimate
>penalty.
According to those who tried to instill the fear of death and
those who follow them, perhaps.
I kinda consider death to be the ultimate gift cuz only then
might I be able to finally know The Ultimate Truth (tm) ... or
not.
Geoff Miller
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> writes:
> Followup-To: alt.fan.geoff.miller
and
> Geoff Miller/Sun eunuchs admin grunt
and
> "I hardly think that anyone as mentally disturbed as
> you are is in any positon to critique the behavior
> of us normal people." -- Geoff Miller quickly
> rationalizes after he's caught squicking a corpse...
What's with the hostility, Dean? Must you perceive it as
a personal attack every time I follow up to one of your
posts, you big, paranoid hunk o'man, you?
Besides, that corpse was one of the best lays I've ever had.
You should try it sometime; it'd be just the thing for someone
in your position. After all, dead girls don't say no.
Glen Appleby
(Geoff Miller) wrote:
>You should try it sometime; it'd be just the thing for someone
>in your position. After all, dead girls don't say no.
I can just imagine him reading this and grumbeling "Oh, yes they
do!"
jul...@bongo.tele.com
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Besides, that corpse was one of the best lays I've ever had.
>in your position. After all, dead girls don't say no.
Or in Draino's case, dead girls don't obtain restraining
orders.
Plus of course, they don't tell the world what a loser
you are.
Two good reasons to think about slipping into something
cool Draino.
--
Vegetarianism is for feminists, Hindus, and anorexics. Those of us with
a world to run tend toward more substantial fare. Geoff Miller
Glen Appleby
scruz.general,jul...@bongo.tele.com wrote:
> Two good reasons to think about slipping into something
>cool Draino.
Around here, recently, those might be sexcicles.
DANG, but it has been cold at night!
Glen (assuming that is when pervs date at grave yards) Appleby
Glen Appleby
<jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>You still haven't explained your Java crack. All of s.g is trembling
>with anticipation to know if you actually meant something or you're
>just acting like a loon again.
<looking around dilligently>
Nope. Nobody is considering if *Geoff* is a loon.
Ah, the mirror in front of yer keyboard, again?
Geoff Miller
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> writes:
> Put your dick back in your pants. At least until you can
> find a nice cemetery.
Hey, *you're* the one who was talking about pulling his piggy.
> In your case, yes -- hostility is what you deserve since that
> is what you project.
Dean, you'd consider it a projection of hostility if you caught
someone so much as _looking_ at you, for fuck's sake. You, of
all people, are hardly an appropriate arbiter of what constitutes
a projection of hostility and what doesn't. Hell, you probably
feel, at some deep-down primal level, that the sun's coming up
in the morning is a projection of hostility.
> But at least you're not forcing your vienna snausage upon live
> men and women. That's something.
Lately I've been going after the waterfowl at the Palo Alto Duck
Pond over at the Baylands, actually. You wouldn't believe the
interesting noises they make when they're penetrated. And I
thought all they could do was quack!
(Which raises the question: We've all heard that old saying about
how if something quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. But what
if it _is_ a duck but doesn't quack like one? That's a real poser.
Sounds like a Zen koan, doesn't it?)
> You still haven't explained your Java crack. All of s.g is
> trembling with anticipation to know if you actually meant
> something or you're just acting like a loon again.
I'm just acting like a loon again.
> I don't know which creeps me out more: the behavior, or your
> bragging about it.
Well, answer me this: Which one gets you harder when you think about
it whilst slapping the salami?
> Followup-To: alt.fan.geoff.miller.squicks.another.one
Heh.
Your pal,
Wilderstein
Tim May
In article <gE434.11381$417.4...@typ12.nn.bcandid.com>, J.R. Dean
<jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
> On 3 Dec 1999 17:52:46 GMT, geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>
> >(Which raises the question: We've all heard that old saying about
> >how if something quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. But what
> >if it _is_ a duck but doesn't quack like one? That's a real poser.
> >Sounds like a Zen koan, doesn't it?)
>
> It's a fuck. In your book, at least.
>
> C'mon, too easy.
>
> >
> >
> >> You still haven't explained your Java crack. All of s.g is
> >> trembling with anticipation to know if you actually meant
> >> something or you're just acting like a loon again.
> >
> >I'm just acting like a loon again.
>
> Thanks for the clarification.
>
> >
> >
> >> I don't know which creeps me out more: the behavior, or your
> >> bragging about it.
> >
> >Well, answer me this: Which one gets you harder when you think about
> >it whilst slapping the salami?
>
> Nope, that's your department. You claim *anything* gets you hard.
>
> Frankly, this seems like another millennial exaggeration. You're due
> for a chubby, right? In about 24 days.
>
> Hey, coincidence. You and Tim can get together and kill two turds
> with one bone! (Anything to keep him from blowing up the County
> building...)
>
> >
> >
> >> Followup-To: alt.fan.geoff.miller.squicks.another.one
> >
> >Heh.
> >
> >
> >
> >Your pal,
> >Wilderstein
>
> Ancient machine, fuckhead, and a loaner, to boot. And you know
> better. For shame.
>
> And you really didn't answer the question, either, looneyboy.
>
> Buh-bye.
>
>
> -- D.
>
> -------------
> "Fine. You win -- you are the most insane person who regularly
> posts to scruz.general, ba.mountain-folk, ba.food, and alt.peeves.
> Please find a good sanitarium and voluntarily check in."
> -- Comment to Geoff Miller
Geoff Miller
HEL-lo, Draino! Heh...
I.M. Nutso <jrd+u...@enclave.org> writes:
> It's a fuck. In your book, at least.
Which is more than you're getting at the moment, I understand.
At least, that's what my network of operatives tells me.
> Nope, that's your department. You claim *anything* gets you hard.
Yeah, life's a lot more fun that way. You, by way of contrast, are
so consumed with anger and so busy looking over your figurative
shoulder in fear of alleged "persecutors" that *nothing* gets you
hard. You'd do well to go befriend one of those blue collar skank-
chicks down at Joe's and see if you could cadge a gargle-gasm.
> Hey, coincidence. You and Tim can get together and kill two
> turds with one bone!
That's a nice turn of phrase, I must admit.
> Ancient machine, fuckhead, and a loaner, to boot. And you know
> better. For shame.
I have no idea what you're nattering about, Draino. Wilderstein
is an historic estate in the Hudson Valley of New York. I saw it
on one of those "American Castles" shows on the Discovery Channel,
and the name stuck in my mind for some reason just like any unusual
name would.
> And you know better. For shame.
I do? I know better than what?
> alt.fan.geoff.miller.snoops.in.old.user.accounts.at.work
Huh? Is it a "machine" or an "account," Dean? You *do* know the
difference, don't you? And just so you know this too, one wouldn't
have to do any "snooping" to determine the existence of either. No
special access would be required. Why, even a 'tard like you could
do it.
> And you really didn't answer the question, either, looneyboy.
Life is just *full* of disappointments, idnit?
Just go away, Dean. Nobody here believes anything you say, or even
likes you. They all think you're a paranoid loon. And justfiably
so, because you are.
> Buh-bye.
Duh-die.
Geoff
--
"Fine. You win." -- Dean Stark capitulates
J.R. Dean
the hard work himself!
On 8 Dec 1999 17:55:16 GMT, geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
[...]
>> It's a fuck. In your book, at least.
>
>Which is more than you're getting at the moment, I understand.
>At least, that's what my network of operatives tells me.
Picture Geoff trying to determine the private adventures of various
male "adversaries"...
- Goofy Geoff cruising newsgroups, malls, and gas station bathrooms,
asking strangers for information: "Is he getting any? Hey, anyone
know? Where are you going? What do you mean you don't know him? No,
really, buddy, I'm not hitting on you. C'mere, spoogebreath."
- There goes Nutball Geoffie, dumpster diving for tell-tale love
letters and New Jersey white fish...
- And there's Peeper Geoffie hiding in the bushes, peering through
windows, rubbing his snausage against his little yellow raincoat.
I suppose Geoff-the-lobotomy-volunteer expected me to provide the
names of any women I'm dating, as *proof*... and so he could then
merrily cyberstalk and harass them, whimsically crank calling his way
into their hearts (which as we all know is one of Geoff's favorite
activities -- what a man!).
Sheesh. Geoff needs to look for his fantasy whacking material in an
adult book store, not in scruz.general.
[...]
>> Ancient machine, fuckhead, and a loaner, to boot. And you know
>> better. For shame.
>
>I have no idea what you're nattering about, Draino. Wilderstein
>is an historic estate in the Hudson Valley of New York. I saw it
>on one of those "American Castles" shows on the Discovery Channel,
>and the name stuck in my mind for some reason just like any unusual
>name would.
Shhh. Keep watching.
>
>
>> And you know better. For shame.
>
>I do? I know better than what?
>
>
>> alt.fan.geoff.miller.snoops.in.old.user.accounts.at.work
>
>Huh? Is it a "machine" or an "account," Dean? You *do* know the
>difference, don't you? And just so you know this too, one wouldn't
>have to do any "snooping" to determine the existence of either. No
>special access would be required. Why, even a 'tard like you could
>do it.
>
>
Did you catch it? Wasn't that precious?
I said machine. I didn't associate said "machine" with an account
*or* a computer. By machine I could have meant a washing machine, a
car, a computer, or Geoff's vibrating butt plug.
But dear old Geoffie had to step right up, bite into that bait in the
header, and admit how he happened upon the "machine," and what it was.
Hook, line, and sinker. What a fucking idiot.
Gotta love it.
Geoff must have realized, somehow, that he was up to his neck in a
virtual cesspool. As usual, when he can't think of a creative
response, he falls back upon his own depressive, self-destructive
thoughts.
[...]
>
>> Buh-bye.
>
>Duh-die.
>
>
>
>Geoff
Everybody now! "Awwwww....."
Ain't nostalgia wunnerful?
Tim May
In article <Fxl54.563$IN5....@typ12.nn.bcandid.com>, J.R. Dean
<jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
> Only 17 more shopping and hoarding days until Right Jolly Old Fart Tim
> May comes to kill us.
>
>
> -- D.
>
> Y2K: "I can't stand the waiting. Hurry, apocalypse." (Timmee May)
> ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
> Tiny Tim May ("Grandpa") | Klepto Matriarchy: syphilis, digital mommies,
> CumSuk 3WAY: 831-555-USUK | anomalous nappies, limp penii, zero I.Q.,
> WAH!: Corralthatnutter, CA | imputations, ignorance archives, colored
crayons,
> "Cybermommiecon" | zero erections, recycled threats,
inflatable sheep.
>
> "Snow covered mittens all tied up with string,
> These are a few of my favorite things!"
Tim May
Geoff Miller
I.M. Nutso <jrd+u...@enclave.org> writes:
> Only 17 more shopping and hoarding days until Right
> Jolly Old Fart Tim May comes to kill us.
Notice how Dean posted this unprovoked attack out of the
blue, apropos of nothing. This serves to demonstrate
that he's queer for abuse.
S'matter, Draino, were things getting too quiet for you?
Were you not getting your RDA of abuse?
Go away, Dean. You have zero credibility here. Everybody
know's you're INSAYYYNE.
Geoff
Tim May
(Geoff Miller) wrote:
> I.M. Nutso <jrd+u...@enclave.org> writes:
>
> > Only 17 more shopping and hoarding days until Right
> > Jolly Old Fart Tim May comes to kill us.
>
>
> Notice how Dean posted this unprovoked attack out of the
> blue, apropos of nothing. This serves to demonstrate
> that he's queer for abuse.
>
> S'matter, Draino, were things getting too quiet for you?
> Were you not getting your RDA of abuse?
He does this whenever he hasn't been beaten up in a while. Just as you
say, and as Julian has said, he's queer for abuse.
No surprise, though, as this pattern has been clear for a few years now.
And if things get _really_ quiet, he'll repost his "she done me wrong and
I still pine for her" articles.
--Tim May
--
They pulled the pin...now we're all just waiting
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Geoff Miller
J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> blabbers:
> You know what's really great about Geoffie?
Ah, I see that we're back to pseudo-affectionate diminutives.
Hey, everybody! Let's start a pool on how long it takes Dean
to mention "Kimmie," shall we?
> Goofy Geoff cruising newsgroups, malls, and gas station
> bathrooms, asking strangers for information: "Is he getting
> any? Hey, anyone know? Where are you going? What do you
> mean you don't know him? No, really, buddy, I'm not hitting
> on you. C'mere, spoogebreath." There goes Nutball Geoffie,
> dumpster diving for tell-tale love letters and New Jersey
> white fish...And there's Peeper Geoffie hiding in the bushes,
> peering through windows, rubbing his snausage against his
> little yellow raincoat.
My raincoat's blue, Dean.
> I said machine. I didn't associate said "machine" with an
> account *or* a computer.
Ah, but you did. Kep reading, and all will be revealed in
good time.
> By machine I could have meant a washing machine, a car, a
> computer, or Geoff's vibrating butt plug.
I bet you think you're really, really clever, Dean. I almost
hate to deny you a "win," as few of them as you ever get to
experience (on the Net as in real life).
Almost.
Dean, think about what you wrote in your previous post to this
thread. There's something that appears before the body of a
USENET article, something that's sort of like a form that has
to be filled out. Yes, like the form you had to fill out the
last time you went to the laughing academy. That thing is known
as an article header, Dean.
And do you know what caught my eye as I perused the header, even
before my eyes chanced upon the word "machine," or anything else,
in the body of your post? I saw the Followup-To: line. And what
was noteworthy about the Followup-To: line? You'd done your usual
cute little thing by entering the name of some lame-assed, nonexis-
tent alt.fan.geoff.miller.* newsgroup in there. In this particular
case, it was alt.fan.geoff.miller.snooping-in-old-accounts. That
was where I got the word "account" when I asked you whether you
knew the difference between a "machine" and an "account."
> Hook, line, and sinker. What a fucking idiot.
You fucked up, Dean. As usual. Again. Once more, with feeling.
Draino did a Big Stupid. HAW HAW HAW! *snork*
Geoff
--
"Edith Head gives good costume"
jul...@bongo.tele.com
J.R. Dean <j...@enclave.org> wrote:
>
>And next time try to lose with a little dignity, rather than
>"whining."
Draino, are the master of whining. You whine about
reporting people to the police. Yet, we don't see any case
numbers. Where are they Draino?
You whine about Miller being a gaolbird, yet you have
NEVER mentioned the offence, the sentence or even the institution
that would have housed him. Why not? If it were true Draino, it
would be a matter of public record.
Try to do better in future Draino.
--
I bet you like Star Trek and go to Science Fiction conventions.
Branwell Moffat <bran...@fsite.com>
Tim May
> Please post your follow ups to your new newsgroup:
> alt.fan.geoff.miller.unethical.sysadmin. Be proud, be few, be all you
> can be. (You have no choice, anyway.)
>
> And next time try to lose with a little dignity, rather than
> "whining."
>
> Perhaps if you spent less time violating the privacy of employees'
> mail files, etc., filling your voyeuristic little mind with what you
> suppose to be dirty little secrets, you'd have room in that pea brain
> to think logically and carefully before you post. (Where the hell do
> you find the time to snoop? Slacker.)
>
> When Scott McNealy said our (Americans') privacy is already gone... I
> don't think he was talking specifically about you in a corporate
> policy capacity. Wise up.
>
> Way too easy...
>
>
> -- D.
>
> -------------
Neal Tucker
>Please post your follow ups to your new newsgroup:
>alt.fan.geoff.miller.unethical.sysadmin. Be proud, be few, be all you
>can be. (You have no choice, anyway.)
...
>Perhaps if you spent less time violating the privacy of employees'
>mail files, etc., filling your voyeuristic little mind with what you
>suppose to be dirty little secrets, you'd have room in that pea brain
>to think logically and carefully before you post. (Where the hell do
>you find the time to snoop? Slacker.)
This sounds like an awful serious accusation. I hope you're sure
of yourself. You've accused a lot of people of serious things with
no grounds in the past, but I'm sure you've got something backing
up this one, right?
-Neal Tucker
Geoff Miller
Go away, Dean. You have zero credibility here. Everybody
knows you're a paranoid loon and a crybaby. Nobody believes
anything you say. You've become a tiresome caricature of
yourself. You're a joke that's long since gotten old and
tiresome and irrelevant. Your ever-diminishing presence in
the scruz.* and ba.mountain-folk newsgroups is compelling
evidence that deep down, even you recognize this. You're
an embarassment to the newsgroups, but most of all, to
yourself.
If you think I've done anything unethical, then you know who
to contact at my company if you'd like to lodge a complaint.
I feel no need to bother defending myself here, especially
from the likes of you. Go away, Dean. Just go away.
Glen Appleby
(Neal Tucker) wrote:
>J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
<silly-ass shit>
>This sounds like an awful serious accusation. I hope you're sure
>of yourself. You've accused a lot of people of serious things with
>no grounds in the past, but I'm sure you've got something backing
>up this one, right?
Doncha guys realize that he is just hoisting the flag to see who
salutes?
Aside from the entertainment value, I'm kinda sorry that any of
you responded to his post. I had just kinda hoped that, if
nobody saluted, he might put away the Jolly Roger (I assume
that's his name for it) and stop being the cause of the crap,
here.
Geoff Miller
P.S.
Suck off a shotgun.
OldDog1
J.R. Dean wrote in message ...
>Please post your follow ups to your new newsgroup:
>alt.fan.geoff.miller.unethical.sysadmin. Be proud, be few, be all you
>can be. (You have no choice, anyway.)
Really? Then how did this one end up here? Still a wannabe control freak
aren't
LoonieDeanie.
jul...@bongo.tele.com
J.R. Dean <j...@enclave.org> wrote:
>
>Yes, there you go again, fantasizing about suicide and firearms.
>Firearms have better uses, you know. (Or perhaps you *don't* know?)
The best use you could make of a firearm Draino is to put
the barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger.
But, before you splatter grey matter across the walls of
your messy little abode, could you post those case numbers?
--
Those stupid quotes that you like to put on your mails make you look like
a complete sad techie twat. - "Branwell Moffat" <bran...@fsite.com>
jul...@bongo.tele.com
Draino <j...@enclave.org> wrote:
>
>Meaning that you are finally admitting that you *know* I and many
>others *have* filed complaints about your behavior at work. (Still
>giving out employee e-mail and phone information without permission?
>Still mail bombing people you don't like? Or how about those sexually
>harassing and predatory e-mails to various women?)
Hey Draino. where's the evidence? Where's the
particulars? You don't have them Draino. If you did, you would
post them.
Kinda like those case numbers? You allude to them, but
are somehow unable to actually post them.
Sad really.
>
>Yes, they already know, and have warned you many, many times. And
>they're particularly interested in why you seem to have an obsession
>with certain individuals.
Care to name them Draino?
You won't will you? Could that be because they don't
exist?
>
>Watch your step, butterbuns.
Oh no! You mean Geoff should "Get his walking papers
ready"?
You are so much fun Draino.
Glen Appleby
<jrd+u...@enclave.org> admits to posting from those anon
accounts, then complained about it:
>Maybe I'll even post occasionally under another alias. Like I've
>already been doing for some time now...
Tim May
In article <6kna4.9318$PZ3.5...@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, J.R. Dean
<jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
> Oh, hush up, whiner.
>
> On 23 Dec 1999 00:00:36 GMT, geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Go away, Dean. You have zero credibility here. Everybody
> >knows you're a paranoid loon and a crybaby. Nobody believes
> >anything you say. You've become a tiresome caricature of
> >yourself. You're a joke that's long since gotten old and
> >tiresome and irrelevant. Your ever-diminishing presence in
> >the scruz.* and ba.mountain-folk newsgroups is compelling
> >evidence that deep down, even you recognize this. You're
> >an embarassment to the newsgroups, but most of all, to
> >yourself.
>
> This, coming from a man who makes up stories about parking lot
> encounters he wishes he'd had, tries to get folks riled up with racist
> and sexist slurs, and who boasts proudly that he defined the term
> "squicking."
>
> No, Geoffie, my so-called "ever-diminishing" presence indicates that I
> have found s.g to be an inane, boring, endless insults rerun, largely
> thanks to you and Tim; it also indicates that I have a life... and
> *you* don't. If you did, you wouldn't maintain a cut-'n-paste file of
> ad nauseum recycled Usenet insults, a large archive of whacking gifs,
> and, most importantly, you wouldn't feel the need to snoop in employee
> mail and home directories.
>
> But don't worry. I won't leave. Just for you.
>
> Maybe I'll even post occasionally under another alias. Like I've
> already been doing for some time now...
>
> >
> >If you think I've done anything unethical, then you know who
> >to contact at my company if you'd like to lodge a complaint.
>
> Meaning that you are finally admitting that you *know* I and many
> others *have* filed complaints about your behavior at work. (Still
> giving out employee e-mail and phone information without permission?
> Still mail bombing people you don't like? Or how about those sexually
> harassing and predatory e-mails to various women?)
>
> Yes, they already know, and have warned you many, many times. And
> they're particularly interested in why you seem to have an obsession
> with certain individuals.
>
> Watch your step, butterbuns.
>
>
> -- D.
>
>
> "A lie can travel halfway around the world while
> the truth is putting on its shoes." -- Mark Twain
>
> -------------
> jrd-at-enclave.org -- <http://www.enclave.org/write/>
> "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California
Geoff Miller
Go away, Dean.
Geoff
--
"Anyone who uses the term 'workshop' who isn't involved
in light engineering is a right twat." --Alexei Sayle
Geoff Miller
Glen Appleby
scruz.general,jul...@bongo.tele.com wrote:
> But, before you splatter grey matter across the walls of
>your messy little abode, could you post those case numbers?
Don't be in such a rush. Even at that range, he'd probibly miss
hitting anything made up of grey matter.
Looooots of time for case numbers, yet.
Glen (King of Antici ... pation) Appleby
Ayse Sercan
>So, Geoff... what kind of credibility do you have with trash remarks
>like this? And tell us -- how many years have you been you been
>trying to win arguments by telling this to your "enemies" (a rather
>long list it is, too)?
*snicker*
Dean's talking about other people's credibility again. Tee hee hee.
--
ay...@idiom.com
"I've seen a look in dogs' eyes, a quickly vanishing look of amazed
contempt, and I am convinced that basically dogs think humans are nuts."
--John Steinbeck
Neal Tucker
>On 23 Dec 1999 00:00:36 GMT, geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>>
>>If you think I've done anything unethical, then you know who
>>to contact at my company if you'd like to lodge a complaint.
>
>Meaning that you are finally admitting that you *know* I and many
>others *have* filed complaints about your behavior at work.
You have a very weak grasp on logic, Dean. Leaps like this
are the basis for most of your arguments.
You do it because you know that one or two replies down the road,
an impartial observer will only have the counter-arguments and
counter-counter-arguments to go on, and it won't be quite as clear
to them that you're talking complete nonsense. I wonder how many
people this fools.
-Neal Tucker
josie farmer
Aha, so *that's* what drew bagface out of the woodwork.
josie
swe...@scruznet.com
> Go away, Dean. You have zero credibility here. Everybody
> knows you're a paranoid loon and a crybaby. Nobody believes
> anything you say. You've become a tiresome caricature of
> yourself. You're a joke that's long since gotten old and
> tiresome and irrelevant. Your ever-diminishing presence in
> the scruz.* and ba.mountain-folk newsgroups is compelling
> evidence that deep down, even you recognize this. You're
> an embarassment to the newsgroups, but most of all, to
> yourself.
I've only happened upon probably 1 out 20 of his posts of the
last year or two, and I agree.
I thought this coming from a complete stranger, this might have
some effect. A person can't tick this long, without exploding
or needing a new battery. I personally think he'll make the front
page of the Sentinal, someday, for some reason or another. He
just isn't normal.
-sw
Glen Appleby
<jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>Oh, fuck off.
Wow! Snappy comeback!
A veritable stranger to this groups makes an observation and this
is the best that you can do in your attempt to show that he is
wrong?
>I imagine the "complete stranger" bit is a canard, too. So tell us --
>which of the local ninnies are you shacked up with? Might it be
>Geoff?
Ah -- so that *wasn't* the best that you could do to prove him
wrong. Now you stoop to an attempt at blind character assination
by implication.
Seems that you have done more to show that he is right.
OldDog1
J.R. Dean wrote in message ...
>
>
And if he doesn't? Just what do you think you can do about it , save
of course engage in
your usual nonsensical ravings from the Lunatic Zone.
>I imagine the "complete stranger" bit is a canard, too. So tell us --
>which of the local ninnies are you shacked up with? Might it be
>Geoff?
>
>
>-- D.
So someone comes to the group for the first time , makes an observation
based entirely upon
your performance in this venue and you immediately attempt to characterise
them as something
they obviously aren't. Along with of course the obligatory hints of a vast
conspiracy against you.
You just went out of your way to prove correct every observation that he
made in reference to you.
Steve Daniels
<Old...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> And if he doesn't?
He'll post the case numbers.
--
A man all by himself may on occasion be a little dumb,
but for real bona fide stupidity, can't nothin' beat teamwork.
Edward Abby
Steve Wertz
>>I thought this coming from a complete stranger, this might have
>>some effect. A person can't tick this long, without exploding
>>or needing a new battery. I personally think he'll make the front
>>page of the Sentinal, someday, for some reason or another. He
>>just isn't normal.
> Oh, fuck off.
> I imagine the "complete stranger" bit is a canard, too. So tell us --
> which of the local ninnies are you shacked up with? Might it be
> Geoff?
You are a paranoid fuck aren't you. I'm not "shacked up" with anybody
from this group. They know it, and I know it. I've met very few
people who post here with any frequency (lots of lurkers, though, I'd bet).
-sw
Steve Wertz
> You are a paranoid fuck aren't you. I'm not "shacked up" with anybody
> from this group. They know it, and I know it. I've met very few
> people who post here with any frequency (lots of lurkers, though, I'd bet).
Oh, yeah, and I may have worked at the same company as yourself, if
that makes you feel any better.
-sw
Tim May
<swe...@swertz.scruznet.com> wrote:
Steve Wertz replies to Steve Wertz and says he may have worked at the
company "as yourself."
MPD...it's not just for Sybil anymore!
Steve Wertz
> In article <%jQf4.4016$pb2.2...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>, Steve Wertz
> <swe...@swertz.scruznet.com> wrote:
>> Steve Wertz <swe...@swertz.scruznet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > You are a paranoid fuck aren't you. I'm not "shacked up" with anybody
>> > from this group. They know it, and I know it. I've met very few
>> > people who post here with any frequency (lots of lurkers, though, I'd bet).
>>
>> Oh, yeah, and I may have worked at the same company as yourself, if
>> that makes you feel any better.
> Steve Wertz replies to Steve Wertz and says he may have worked at the
> company "as yourself."
Got me there on bad form. I'm Dean's other personality, we were
just in the transition stage when we posted that. He's gone again now.
I will, however, discuss this with him shortly.
-sw
Glen Appleby
<swe...@swertz.scruznet.com> wrote:
>You are a paranoid fuck aren't you. I'm not "shacked up" with anybody
>from this group. They know it, and I know it. I've met very few
>people who post here with any frequency (lots of lurkers, though, I'd bet).
So yer shacked up with a lurker, then?
Which one?
Glen "Inquiring minds" Appleby
OldDog1
Steve Daniels wrote in message ...
>He'll post the case numbers.
>--
Naaaaaaaah that's " conspiracy numbers".................
Tim May
In article <exdj4.196$sY1....@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, J.R. Dean
<jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:12:03 -0800, tc...@got.net (Tim May) wrote:
>
>
> >And if things get _really_ quiet, he'll repost his "she done me wrong and
> >I still pine for her" articles.
> >
>
> What is clear, Timmie, is that this last bit seems to be one of *your*
> favorite activities... you never tire of mentioning it.
>
> Now we all know you miss your one-night stand with Ursula (and she
> needed a hypnotist to help her forget about it), but get over it
> already.
Steve Wertz
>>J.R. Dean <jrd+u...@enclave.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>I thought this coming from a complete stranger, this might have
>>>>some effect. A person can't tick this long, without exploding
>>>>or needing a new battery. I personally think he'll make the front
>>>>page of the Sentinal, someday, for some reason or another. He
>>>>just isn't normal.
>>
>>> Oh, fuck off.
>>
>>> I imagine the "complete stranger" bit is a canard, too. So tell us --
>>> which of the local ninnies are you shacked up with? Might it be
>>> Geoff?
>>
>>You are a paranoid fuck aren't you. I'm not "shacked up" with anybody
>>from this group. They know it, and I know it. I've met very few
>>people who post here with any frequency (lots of lurkers, though, I'd bet).
>>
>>-sw
> <Snicker>
> Hook, line, and sinker.
> You're *philosophically* shacked up with Geoff Miller. Yeah, I'd be
> real proud of that... the man who asked where he could get green tea
> ice cream, to quote: "... the kind the slopes eat."
Green Tea Ice Cream is a reasonable request. Gives me the shit's though.
Kind of like you are now.
Pbbbbt.
-sw