Is God pissed, or what?
BradGuth
at 35,406 km (less than a tenth the distance to our moon) close
enough?
How about surviving a lithobraking encounter (most likely involving
ocean vaporizing displacements) of 40+ km/s?
Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
. - Brad Guth
dlzc
Yes, it is called a "viable, funded, space program".
David A. Smith
nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net
News flash, Brad: sooner or later it's going to happen. Just mother
nature doing its thing. Call it nature's reset button.
By the time it does happen, Earth will be such a cesspool of
pollution, overpopulation and evil it'll be considered by most to be
a blessing of theistic proportion. Well, at least Danny Min will
think so.
BradGuth
If I were the least bit in charge, that alternative of a "viable,
funded, space program" would sound perfectly good to me, especially
considering the amount of the Godly potential of collateral damage and
carnage of the mostly innocent as delivered by such a whopping sucker-
punch, and only worse yet if we did nothing much to save ourselves.
21 years simply isn't long enough for getting hardly 10% of humanity
to higher ground, much less accommodated deep within Earth. A direct
ocean hit of that magnitude isn't exactly going to be all that
survivable, even if you're situated on the opposite side.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:185f3e67-4414-4490...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
At least all of our doom and gloom sayers will finely be able to say
"I told you so".
I kind of like the notion of a God like reset button getting pushed,
although I'd rather it be from the 2nd encounter as of another 7 years
later, whereas by then I could be nearly if not dead already.
.- Brad Guth
BradGuth
tonnes passing at 35,406 km (less than a tenth the distance to our
moon) close enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
size: 270 x 415 meters
mass: 26 ~ 46 million tonnes
SCENARIOS FOR DEALING WITH APOPHIS
http://www.aero.org/conferences/planetarydefense/2007papers/S3-4--Gennery-Brief.pdf
How about pondering our surviving a lithobraking encounter (most
likely involving ocean vaporizing displacements) of 40+ km/s? (our
NASA has it as of 2036 at merely 12.6 km/s and 21e6 tonnes)
Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
David A. Smith: Yes, it is called a "viable, funded, space program".
If I were the least bit in charge, that alternative of insuring a
"viable, funded, space program" would sound perfectly good to me,
especially considering the Godly potential of collateral damage and
carnage of the mostly innocent, as delivered by such a whopping sucker-
punch, and only made worse yet if we did nothing much to save
ourselves.
21 years simply isn't long enough for getting hardly 10% of humanity
safely relocated to higher ground, much less accommodated as deep
enough within Earth. For most of humanity, a direct ocean hit of
that magnitude isn't exactly going to be all that survivable, even if
you're situated on the opposite side. The antipodes and super-mega
waves of hot ocean haven't been estimated, perhaps because it's all
too doom and gloom or dark and scary.
. - Brad Guth
jonathan
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:185f3e67-4414-4490...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
God plays dice with the universe ya know.
And when enough randomness occurs ala the Second Law, spontaneous
order emerges ala the Fourth Law of Thermodynamics. Better known
today as laws of self organization.
http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/content/citation/879/1/320
http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm
Which means, of course, the dice....are loaded... in favor of creation.
Toss 'em enough, and up comes life. Science and religion aren't as
far apart as everyone seems to think.
> . - Brad Guth
nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net
> If I were the least bit in charge, that alternative of a "viable,
> funded, space program" would sound perfectly good to me, especially
> considering the amount of the Godly potential of collateral damage and
> carnage of the mostly innocent as delivered by such a whopping sucker-
> punch, and only worse yet if we did nothing much to save ourselves.
>
> 21 years simply isn't long enough for getting hardly 10% of humanity
> to higher ground, much less accommodated deep within Earth. A direct
> ocean hit of that magnitude isn't exactly going to be all that
> survivable, even if you're situated on the opposite side.
> . - Brad Guth
You talk of innocence as if the world (or universe, or nature etc)
owes some people something. It doesn't. We see this same
misguided mentality all the time: "victims" of earthquakes,
tsunamis etc. It's just people getting in nature's way, and
trying to make it fit within their own prejudiced confines.
If you do your best to live a moral life, there's no longer a need
to worry about when or how your demise might come. I'll take
a cosmic impact to terminal cancer any day.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:185f3e67-4414-4490...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Is the 2029 NEO encounter of #99942/Apophisof 100,000+ tonnes passing
> > at 35,406 km (less than a tenth the distance to our moon) close
> > enough?
>
> > How about surviving a lithobraking encounter (most likely involving
> > ocean vaporizing displacements) of 40+km/s?
>
> > Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
>
> God plays dice with the universe ya know.
>
> And when enough randomness occurs ala the Second Law, spontaneous
> order emerges ala the Fourth Law of Thermodynamics. Better known
>
> Which means, of course, the dice....are loaded... in favor of creation.
>
> Toss 'em enough, and up comes life. Science and religion aren't as
> far apart as everyone seems to think.
I tend to agree with that analogy, though perhaps at most a 10% kill-
off that'll of course exclude most all of the rich and powerful.
BTW, my initial 40 km/s notion isn't likely unless we're talking of a
head-on encounter, however the mass of 21e6 tonnes or greater (up to
46e6 tonnes) is rather impressive, even if only arriving at 12.6 km/
s.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
of at least 12e6 tonnes, unless safely passing us at 35,406 km (that
being less than a tenth the distance to our moon) close enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
size: 270 x 415 meters
mass: 26 ~ 46 million tonnes
SCENARIOS FOR DEALING WITH APOPHIS
http://www.aero.org/conferences/planetarydefense/2007papers/S3-4--Gennery-Brief.pdf
How about pondering our surviving a lithobraking encounter (most
likely involving ocean vaporizing displacements) of 20+ km/s? (our
NASA has Apophis encountering Earth as of 2036 at merely 12.6 km/s and
of only 21e6 tonnes)
Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
David A. Smith: Yes, it is called a "viable, funded, space program".
If I were the least bit in charge, that alternative of insuring a
"viable, funded, space program" would sound perfectly good to me,
especially considering the Godly potential of collateral damage and
carnage of the mostly innocent, as delivered by such a whopping sucker-
punch, and only made worse yet if we did nothing much to save
ourselves.
21 years simply isn't long enough for getting hardly 10% of humanity
safely relocated to higher ground, much less accommodated as deep
enough within Earth. For most of humanity, a direct ocean hit of
that magnitude isn't exactly going to be all that survivable, even if
you're situated on the opposite side. The antipodes and super-mega
waves of hot ocean tsunamis haven't been estimated, perhaps because
it's all too doom and gloom or dark and scary.
Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory in order to
terminate Apophis, by way of having it impact our moon. At least that
option would likely save Earth as well as cover up any signs of our
supposed Apollo mission, as buried under meters of that dark moon
dust.
. - Brad Guth
dlzc
On Mar 3, 3:24 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> 21 years simply isn't long enough for getting hardly 10%
> of humanity to higher ground, much less accommodated
> deep within Earth.
It is however more than enough time to catch Apophis and divert its
path. And to mount a campaign to search for other Near Earth Objects,
and either divert or harvest them.
Deep within the Earth is called "the grave". Don't want to plan on
being down there when a really big one hits. Afterwards, maybe... for
a time.
David A. Smith
BradGuth
I agree, that a global plan of action for saving ourselves by way of
diverting this sucker seems doable, or we could just wait and see.
Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory in order to
fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it impact our moon. At
least that option would likely save Earth as well as cover up any
signs of our supposed Apollo mission, as buried under meters of that
dark moon dust.
Once impacted into our naked moon and that dust settles down, we could
send our boys with all that "right stuff" back to their passive moon
in order to harvest those raw elements of Apophis, as well as to see
whatever that new hole into our moon as to offer.
I'm going to restart this topic without giving God any credit, because
obviously we're not being cared for or otherwise looked after by
anything of his/her doings. There's actually a better chance China is
going to save us, as they have proven expertise in targeting distant
targets, as well as Germany having the navigational expertise.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:0c8774e7-a100-4e6d...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
If we can't survive or best entirely divert this one, then we might as
well just give up and let whatever else take place, much like our
FEMA, as then the living of our fancy suit wearing folks can take all
the credit for the good things and blame all the bad stuff on Muslims,
or perhaps on Venezuela.
. - Brad Guth
Pat Flannery
nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote:
> at least Danny Min will
> think so.
>
Which reminds me...is Uranus still in the dragon's head? ;-)
Pat
dlzc
On Mar 4, 8:18 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> I agree, that a global plan of action for saving ourselves
> by way of diverting this sucker seems doable, or we
> could just wait and see.
>
> Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory
> in order to fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it
> impact our moon.
I'd rather capture it in orbit, L4 or L5 perhaps, and use it for raw
materials. Possibly less fuel than lofting it from Earth.
...
> Once impacted into our naked moon and that dust
> settles down, we could send our boys with all that
> "right stuff" back to their passive moon in order to
> harvest those raw elements of Apophis, as well as
> to see whatever that new hole into our moon as to offer.
No need. Harvest Apophis in-situ. No need in bombarding Earth for
years with lunar regolith. 300 pounds was enough.
> I'm going to restart this topic without giving God any
> credit, because obviously we're not being cared for
> or otherwise looked after by anything of his/her
> doings.
On the contrary, we could have been set certain challenges. Do you
keep your child from falling right up until he/she is 18, then let
them fall? Apophis is no more disproof of God that it is proof of
God. We learn to survive, or see if the bees can do any better than
we did.
> There's actually a better chance China is going to save
> us, as they have proven expertise in targeting distant
> targets, as well as Germany having the navigational
> expertise.
China may "save us", as a fisherman saves a tuna. Seems like
everybody owns our debt... but US.
If you recall, NASA hit a comet ("Deep Impact") which was no small
feat. HItting Mars was unintentional... ;>)
David A. Smith
Pat Flannery
jonathan wrote:
> And when enough randomness occurs ala the Second Law, spontaneous
> order emerges ala the Fourth Law of Thermodynamics.
>
>
"Y'know, Nietzsche says: 'Out of chaos _comes_ order'. "**
"Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard." :-D
Pat
BradGuth
> Dear BradGuth:
>
> On Mar 4, 8:18 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>
> > I agree, that a global plan of action for saving ourselves
> > by way of diverting this sucker seems doable, or we
> > could just wait and see.
>
> > Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory
> > in order to fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it
> > impact our moon.
>
> I'd rather capture it in orbit, L4 or L5 perhaps, and use it for raw
> materials. Possibly less fuel than lofting it from Earth.
No possibly about it, as I'd buy into that. We've got 20 years to
play with. Got any viable plan of action?
How about interactively parking that tonnage within our moon's L1, and
using such to build up the LSE-CM/ISS? (or don't you believe in the
lunar space elevator?)
Our NASA hit nothing, but took most of the credit for the hard work
and expertise of others.
I agree that placing such a nifty cache of cosmic stuff into a better
orbit that's as failsafe as we can make it is a worthy notion.
However, parking it forever into our moon shouldn't cause too much of
that secondary flak from reaching Earth, at least not for many
hundreds if not thousands of years to come, especially if that
lithobraking encounter with our moon could be managed as a rear-ender.
We've got a supercomputer for doing just this kind of trial and error
assessments, though too bad we can't even use what's publicly ours to
begin with.
. - Brad Guth
American
It won't be much longer after 2013, when the James Webb
infared telescope begins its observations. By then, the
visual returns on planetary systems should reveal at
least one planetary system similar to our own, on average,
every 22 parsecs from our Sun. There was a study done by
the British Royal Interplanetary Society back in 1976 -
that calculated, based upon several factors, such as
spectral type and galactic disc location, that at about
70 light years - throughout the galaxy - there are
"earth-like" planets circling high metallicity G2V suns
just like our own. Seventy light years represents an
ocean of space that could be reached at superluminal
velocities in about 6 months - the same time it took
people like Vasco de Gama, Magellan, and Drake to sail
ships across the oceans of earth. We're talking about
a completely different set of environmental circumstances
in the sea of space, with a completely different set
of coordinates used for interstellar voyages.
American
dlzc
On Mar 4, 11:18 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 7:57 am,dlzc<dl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Dear BradGuth:
>
> > On Mar 4, 8:18 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...
>
> > > I agree, that a global plan of action for saving ourselves
> > > by way of diverting this sucker seems doable, or we
> > > could just wait and see.
>
> > > Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory
> > > in order to fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it
> > > impact our moon.
>
> > I'd rather capture it in orbit, L4 or L5 perhaps, and use
> > it for raw materials. Possibly less fuel than lofting it
> > from Earth.
>
> No possibly about it, as I'd buy into that. We've got 20
> years to play with. Got any viable plan of action?
Money, and lots of it. Attach thrusters, and boost it in flyby "just
like" we do satellites.
> How about interactively parking that tonnage within
> our moon's L1,
A position that is inherently unstable, where L4 and L5 are not.
> and using such to build up the LSE-CM/ISS? (or don't
> you believe in the lunar space elevator?)
Works great in SciFi, but it requires constant maintenance, global
commitment, no terrorists, everntal vigilance, no inclement weather
*ever*, and science-not-in-evidence.
From the Moon's surface, no problem. Except keeping the achor stable.
...
> > > There's actually a better chance China is going to save
> > > us, as they have proven expertise in targeting distant
> > > targets, as well as Germany having the navigational
> > > expertise.
>
> > China may "save us", as a fisherman saves a tuna.
> > Seems like everybody owns our debt... but US.
>
> > If you recall, NASA hit a comet ("Deep Impact") which
> > was no small feat. HItting Mars was unintentional... ;>)
>
> Our NASA hit nothing, but took most of the credit for the
> hard work and expertise of others.
Your opinion.
> I agree that placing such a nifty cache of cosmic stuff
> into a better orbit that's as failsafe as we can make it
> is a worthy notion. However, parking it forever into our
> moon shouldn't cause too much of that secondary flak
> from reaching Earth, at least not for many hundreds if
> not thousands of years to come, especially if that
> lithobraking encounter with our moon could be
> managed as a rear-ender.
Wouldn't matter. You could try and hit the Moon's far side, and we'd
still be running into debris for a long time. Granted most it would
be small.
David A. Smith
nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net
> Seventy light years represents an ocean of space that could be
> reached at superluminal velocities in about 6 months
Superluminal velocities? Is that like everlasting gobstoppers?
They're an optical illusion, nothing more.
American
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:c72eb527-fd05-4fd4...@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Seventy light years represents an ocean of space that could be
> > reached at superluminal velocities in about 6 months
>
> Superluminal velocities? Is that like everlasting gobstoppers?
>
> They're an optical illusion, nothing more.
Yeah, prove it.
Defining down are we?
Ever seen a UFO? Got Area 51?
Yeah, according to gobstoppers, there an illusion too.
(No way)
American
nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net
On Mar 4, 2:54 pm, <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote:
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:c72eb527-fd05-4fd4...@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Seventy light years represents an ocean of space that could be
> > reached at superluminal velocities in about 6 months
>
> Superluminal velocities? Is that like everlasting gobstoppers?
>
> They're an optical illusion, nothing more.
> Yeah, prove it.
see: Einstein; Special Relativity
But hey, I'm not one to squelch a dreamer. Dream on!
BradGuth
> Dear Brad Guth:
>
> On Mar 4, 11:18 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 7:57 am,dlzc<dl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > Dear BradGuth:
>
> > > On Mar 4, 8:18 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ...
>
> > > > I agree, that a global plan of action for saving ourselves
> > > > by way of diverting this sucker seems doable, or we
> > > > could just wait and see.
>
> > > > Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory
> > > > in order to fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it
> > > > impact our moon.
>
> > > I'd rather capture it in orbit, L4 or L5 perhaps, and use
> > > it for raw materials. Possibly less fuel than lofting it
> > > from Earth.
>
> > No possibly about it, as I'd buy into that. We've got 20
> > years to play with. Got any viable plan of action?
>
> Money, and lots of it. Attach thrusters, and boost it in flyby "just
> like" we do satellites.
>
> > How about interactively parking that tonnage within
> > our moon's L1,
>
> A position that is inherently unstable, where L4 and L5 are not.
I didn't say anything about a passive orbit. BTW, stuff doesn't keep
all that passively within L4 or L5.
>
> > and using such to build up the LSE-CM/ISS? (or don't
> > you believe in the lunar space elevator?)
>
> Works great in SciFi, but it requires constant maintenance, global
> commitment, no terrorists, everntal vigilance, no inclement weather
> *ever*, and science-not-in-evidence.
So what sort of semi-stationary or halo orbit doesn't require
maintenance (aka applied energy for station-keeping)?
The income/profits from the LSE-CM/ISS could purchase Earth, and then
some. Then Earth would become the spendy maintenance item.
Your "terrorists" theory has absolutely nothing to do with the LSE-CM/
ISS, in fact it's just the opposite. What the F*ck are you thing
about. Is duh, LSE having nothing whatsoever to do with any ESE, part
of your nayism problem?
>
> From the Moon's surface, no problem. Except keeping the achor stable.
Anchoring the primary tether into the moon certainly isn't a problem,
and of the 256e6 tonne CM/ISS plus the tether dipole element pulling
towards Earth certainly hasn't introduced any insurmountable issues,
and there's never any shortage of energy.
>
> > > > There's actually a better chance China is going to save
> > > > us, as they have proven expertise in targeting distant
> > > > targets, as well as Germany having the navigational
> > > > expertise.
>
> > > China may "save us", as a fisherman saves a tuna.
> > > Seems like everybody owns our debt... but US.
>
> > > If you recall, NASA hit a comet ("Deep Impact") which
> > > was no small feat. HItting Mars was unintentional... ;>)
>
> > Our NASA hit nothing, but took most of the credit for the
> > hard work and expertise of others.
>
> Your opinion.
That opinion = matter of fact.
>
> > I agree that placing such a nifty cache of cosmic stuff
> > into a better orbit that's as failsafe as we can make it
> > is a worthy notion. However, parking it forever into our
> > moon shouldn't cause too much of that secondary flak
> > from reaching Earth, at least not for many hundreds if
> > not thousands of years to come, especially if that
> > lithobraking encounter with our moon could be
> > managed as a rear-ender.
>
> Wouldn't matter. You could try and hit the Moon's far side, and we'd
> still be running into debris for a long time. Granted most it would
> be small.
Most of it (perhaps as much as 99.9% from a direct impact rather than
a glancing blow) would essentially stick with the moon, or eventually
get recollected by the moon, because 99942/Apophis is relatively wussy
compared to what the somewhat hollow or low density core moon of ours
has to offer. Putting the likes of Sedna into our moon is another
matter.
. - Brad Guth
Damien Valentine
> "Y'know, Nietzsche says: 'Out of chaos _comes_ order'. "**
> "Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard." :-D
>
> Pat
"Even as we speak, Louis Pasteur has developed a cure for anthrax..."
"Never mind that shit, here comes 99942 Apophis!"
American
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:ed783d02-aae1-4a08...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
In the case of 99942/Apophis, Where in G-d's name is the
"Vision for Space Exploration" going if it doesn't have a
compass to lead the nation away from the impending
disaster? Anyone with half a brain would have the *vision*
to do something more than just NASA-like, irregardless of
those who would recklessly abandon their own survival of
the fittest. There can be no honor for a species desiring
to "extinct itself" without primarily and purposely
designing some escape route.
"Where there is no vision, a people perish."
If a newly discovered earth-like planet were found in the
galactic plane in the galactic disc section opposite to our
Sun, it would cause some confusion with the navigational
instruments, unless those instruments were referenced to
the center of the galaxy.
As I related in the last post, we're talking about
a completely different set of environmental circumstances
in the sea of space, with a completely different set
of coordinates used for interstellar voyages.
In galactic coordinates, plus and minus are used to mean
degrees above or below the earth (on the galactic disk
seen edgewise). The 0 degrees longitude line runs from
the earth to the center of the galaxy.
Since Sagittarius A locates the center of our galaxy,
the kind of instrument capable of this kind of GGPS
(Galactic-Global-Position-Locator, or G2PL) "locking
on to" would have to have a center frequency of 330 MHz,
corresponding to the lowest frequency that Sagittarius A
is capable of being detected. The signal strength at this
frequency is between 0.21 - 0.47 x 10^-26 W M^-2 Hz^-1.
Other emission frequencies are 610MHz @ 0.38 - 0.6 x
10^-26 W M^-2 Hz^-1 and 1.6GHz @ 0.475 - 0.55 x
10^-26 W M^-2 Hz^-1. A triplexed frequency filter locked
on to these frequencies and signal strengths could safely
navigate around the galaxy without problem - as long as
the propulsion did not exceed superluminal - by then the
G2PL system would become useless - unless a newer GXPL
clocking type locator system was used to detect incoming
g-wave tachyonic transmissions from some "benchmarked"
unit of spacetime - let's call it the Milky Way, or MW
standard. This type of clocking device would have the
ability to measure the galaxy in units of spacetime -
at units of some mass absorption standard for the entire
galaxy. These units would follow some non-linear curve
representing a continuous function that involves the
contraction and expansion of spacetime, e.g. tachyonic
vs. tardyonic, or some energy "overunity" vs. energy
"INTERunity": a dimensionless unit based on the harmonic
grid that people like Ed Leedskalnin at Coral Castle,
circa 1928, apparently understood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqyH8ueCAsY
The infamous "Alcubierre drive", a theoretical construct
utilizing a "warp bubble", contracts the space in front of
the craft, at the same time the craft jumps through 4-space.
These things work. They've already been tested.
American
nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net
> The infamous "Alcubierre drive", a theoretical construct
> utilizing a "warp bubble", contracts the space in front of
> the craft, at the same time the craft jumps through 4-space.
> These things work. They've already been tested.
Read, a little slower this time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
"...there are no known methods to create such a warp bubble in a
region that does not already contain one, or to leave the bubble once
inside it, so the Alcubierre drive remains a theoretical concept at this
time."
dlzc
On Mar 4, 3:09 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 11:35 am,dlzc<dl...@cox.net> wrote:
...
> > > How about interactively parking that tonnage within
> > > our moon's L1,
>
> > A position that is inherently unstable, where L4
> > and L5 are not.
>
> I didn't say anything about a passive orbit. BTW, stuff
> doesn't keep all that passively within L4 or L5.
L4 and L5 are stable. You need do nothing to keep them up. Whereas
other choices (like L1 + 50 feet) are at the mercy of accountants.
And wars.
> > > and using such to build up the LSE-CM/ISS?
> > > (or don't you believe in the lunar space
> > > elevator?)
>
> > Works great in SciFi, but it requires constant
> > maintenance, global commitment, no terrorists,
> > everntal vigilance, no inclement weather *ever*,
> > and science-not-in-evidence.
>
> So what sort of semi-stationary or halo orbit
> doesn't require maintenance (aka applied energy
> for station-keeping)?
L4 and L5.
> The income/profits from the LSE-CM/ISS could
> purchase Earth, and then some. Then Earth
> would become the spendy maintenance item.
"science not in evidence"
> Your "terrorists" theory has absolutely nothing
> to do with the LSE-CM/ ISS, in fact it's just
> the opposite. What the F*ck are you thing
> about. Is duh, LSE having nothing whatsoever
> to do with any ESE, part of your nayism
> problem?
Any such structure is a hard target that is too expensive to replace,
and will be blamed by any group eventually for their choice of hard
times. Were you constructing this thing in heaven, no problem. But
you are talking about a planet full of people that throw their
children out of their home to fend for themselves. Starting with the
ancient Greeks. Igonorance and hate are things you have to plan on
too.
> > From the Moon's surface, no problem. Except
> > keeping the achor stable.
>
> Anchoring the primary tether into the moon
> certainly isn't a problem,
I meant the other end. Maybe "sky hook" would have been more
descriptive.
> and of the 256e6 tonne CM/ISS plus the tether
> dipole element pulling towards Earth certainly
> hasn't introduced any insurmountable issues,
> and there's never any shortage of energy.
"science not in evidence"
> > > Our NASA hit nothing, but took most of the
> > > credit for the hard work and expertise of others.
>
> > Your opinion.
>
> That opinion = matter of fact.
Since your opinion now trumps what I know to be true, we are done.
David A. Smith
BradGuth
> Dear BradGuth:
>
> On Mar 4, 3:09 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 4, 11:35 am,dlzc<dl...@cox.net> wrote:
> ...
> > > > How about interactively parking that tonnage within
> > > > our moon's L1,
>
> > > A position that is inherently unstable, where L4
> > > and L5 are not.
>
> > I didn't say anything about a passive orbit. BTW, stuff
> > doesn't keep all that passively within L4 or L5.
>
> L4 and L5 are stable. You need do nothing to keep them up. Whereas
> other choices (like L1 + 50 feet) are at the mercy of accountants.
> And wars.
Your talking out of context, as well as about Earth L1 and not about
the moon's L1. Good grief, get a grip and think outside to box.
>
> > > > and using such to build up the LSE-CM/ISS?
> > > > (or don't you believe in the lunar space
> > > > elevator?)
>
> > > Works great in SciFi, but it requires constant
> > > maintenance, global commitment, no terrorists,
> > > everntal vigilance, no inclement weather *ever*,
> > > and science-not-in-evidence.
>
> > So what sort of semi-stationary or halo orbit
> > doesn't require maintenance (aka applied energy
> > for station-keeping)?
>
> L4 and L5.
Then why isn't there stuff (natural or artificial) as existing/
coexisting within Earth L4/L5 ?
>
> > The income/profits from the LSE-CM/ISS could
> > purchase Earth, and then some. Then Earth
> > would become the spendy maintenance item.
>
> "science not in evidence"
Your mindset clearly not allowed outside the box.
>
> > Your "terrorists" theory has absolutely nothing
> > to do with the LSE-CM/ ISS, in fact it's just
> > the opposite. What the F*ck are you thing
> > about. Is duh, LSE having nothing whatsoever
> > to do with any ESE, part of your nayism
> > problem?
>
> Any such structure is a hard target that is too expensive to replace,
> and will be blamed by any group eventually for their choice of hard
> times. Were you constructing this thing in heaven, no problem. But
> you are talking about a planet full of people that throw their
> children out of their home to fend for themselves. Starting with the
> ancient Greeks. Igonorance and hate are things you have to plan on
> too.
It also looks as though I'll have to plan on supposedly educated folks
being forever snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return,
especially of those sequestered within the mainstream status quo box
that you call home sweet home.
I don't know about yourself, but I'm intellectually flexible along
with an open mindset.
>
> > > From the Moon's surface, no problem. Except
> > > keeping the achor stable.
>
> > Anchoring the primary tether into the moon
> > certainly isn't a problem,
>
> I meant the other end. Maybe "sky hook" would have been more
> descriptive.
? Sky hook ? Not really, but I see that you're pretty much another
stuck-on-Earth kind of mindset, as well as good at pretending that our
moon doesn't exist.
>
> > and of the 256e6 tonne CM/ISS plus the tether
> > dipole element pulling towards Earth certainly
> > hasn't introduced any insurmountable issues,
> > and there's never any shortage of energy.
>
> "science not in evidence"
Nothing of science is in sufficient evidence compared to your peer of
nayism, does it.
>
> > > > Our NASA hit nothing, but took most of the
> > > > credit for the hard work and expertise of others.
>
> > > Your opinion.
>
> > That opinion = matter of fact.
>
> Since your opinion now trumps what I know to be true, we are done.
Too bad our NASA isn't directly capable of such things without the
expertise help of others. Must be why they're still trying to figure
out how that Saturn-V worked so will and so gosh darn reliable and
apparently by far more payload efficient than any other rocket on
Earth (even as of today).
. - Brad Guth
jonathan
Good 'ol Hugo just got busted big time. Columbia's raid netted FARC
computers showing Chavez gave some $300 million to the terrorists.
Chavez is sending 10 brigades to the Columbian border as he needs
to somehow convolute the evidence, while using the threat of a war
to quell internal dissent.
Since Chavez seems headed moth-like into a confrontration, and
Columbia's military would wipe their arses with the Venezuelan
forces, this has 'socialist disaster' written all over it.
> . - Brad Guth
American
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:1518c306-8480-46ba...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
I read that. This statement is quite true, however it does
not contain enough "information" about the "region that
does not already contain one". This is about the energy
INTERunity factor previously mentioned. Since the
INTERunity factor must contain quantum entanglement,
the PILOT of this CRAFT MUST HYPERTRANSLATE
PARALLEL TO THIS WORLDLINE. It has been sug-
gested that influencing "loop" factors in parallel world-
lines have only a short-term effect, perhaps one week
at most, before damping of the scalar time wave becomes
totally absorbed into the fabric of spacetime.
Damping of the time wave is achieved thru an LRC energy
storage network, made to degauss the energies of frequency
resonance generated by a sets of caudaceous coils:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/4f8bf54a98122036
Where and when do the INTERunities coincide? Could there
be collateral effects to INTERunities that would manifest
in various places according to how light, gravity, and
mass are able to interact in the calculation for a unified
harmonic grid over the entire earth, and if the earth can
be grid-mapped over its surface, why can't the entire
galaxy also contain "grid maps within grid maps"?
Thus the value of one arc second of grid may have quite
a different value between the surface of the earth, as
compared to the anterior of Sagittarius A, with precision
map-making also a part of navigating through hyperspace,
for which it also must tie together consciousness itself,
by coincidenting the harmonic alpha, delta, and theta
EEG waves onto the harmonic grid. There is not one thought
pattern that has not already been manifested already in
another time and place in the universe, but it is the
sequence of times and places that have given us a life
program of DNA with which to use, even at this very time,
so we can delicately take the measures necessary for its
continued protection and survival.
American
BradGuth
That's true, but there's sufficient time to fine-tune that trajectory
and to come up with a good dozen viable methods of saving our butts.
Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory in order to
fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it impact our moon. At
least that win-win option would likely save Earth as well as cover up
any signs of our supposed Apollo mission, as buried under meters of
that dark coal like moon dust.
Once impacted into our naked moon and that dust settles down, we could
send our boys with all that "right stuff" and their undocumented R&D
of fly-by-rocket landers back to their passive moon that used to look
exactly like a xenon lamp spectrum illuminated guano island, in order
to harvest those raw elements of Apophis, as well as to see whatever
else that new hole into our moon as to offer.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
Sounds too good to be true, and to think we'll be a little more broke,
in debt to our eyeballs and/or dead soon enough anyway, with road fuel
and home heating oil going for $10+/gallon and otherwise perhaps $1+/
kwhr, so what's the difference.
. - Brad Guth
nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net
On Mar 4, 6:31 pm, <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote:
> "American" <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:1518c306-8480-46ba...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > The infamous "Alcubierre drive", a theoretical construct
> > utilizing a "warp bubble", contracts the space in front of
> > the craft, at the same time the craft jumps through 4-space.
> > These things work. They've already been tested.
>
> Read, a little slower this time:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
>
> "...there are no known methods to create such a warp bubble in a
> region that does not already contain one, or to leave the bubble once
> inside it, so the Alcubierre drive remains a theoretical concept at this
> time."
> I read that. This statement is quite true, however it does
> not contain enough "information" about the "region that
> does not already contain one".
Well, like I said earlier, I'm the last person who'd discourage
anyone from dreaming, or discovering.
Just two questions, out of curiosity:
1. If you could go anywhere in the universe, where would you go?
2. Do you believe in a creator, i.e. supreme being, God etc?
Pat Flannery
jonathan wrote:
> Good 'ol Hugo just got busted big time. Columbia's raid netted FARC
> computers showing Chavez gave some $300 million to the terrorists.
>
Uh-huh, and the captured Iranian computer had atomic weapons data on it,
and both computers should be given to a independent investigators for
analysis, as it is very easy to say you have proof of something as long
as you don't have to produce it.
We invaded Iraq over "evidence" that later turned out to be BS.
Back in the good ol' days, we showed up with the U-2 photos of the Cuban
missile sites and showed them to the whole UN, so that they'd know we
weren't fabricating evidence of a Soviet misdeed.
The end result was the Soviets looked like liars before the whole world,
which was a major propaganda win for the US.
Nowadays that would never happen, as any display of your evidence is of
course "compromising valuable means of gathering intelligence".
So they just have to "trust us".
And given our track record in regards to Iraq, no one in their right
mind would.
As far as Columbia, they claimed they had killed the FARC guerrillas in
a firefight; but the reports from the Ecuadorians said they were
assassinated in their sleep.
So we already have a disagreement as to what really happened.
Pat
dlzc
On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> > > I didn't say anything about a passive orbit. BTW, stuff
> > > doesn't keep all that passively within L4 or L5.
>
> > L4 and L5 are stable. You need do nothing to keep
> > them up. Whereas other choices (like L1 + 50 feet) are
> > at the mercy of accountants. And wars.
>
> Your talking out of context, as well as about Earth L1 and
> not about the moon's L1. Good grief, get a grip and think
> outside to box.
The Moon is of no interest. A "nuclear winter" on Earth from Apophis
woudl terminate life on the Moon as well. It would be a colony fully
dependent on the Earth for decades, so it could not "buy the Earth"
until after that. A tether system on the Moon could not pay for the
Lunar colony until after they were self-sufficient.
> > > > > and using such to build up the LSE-CM/ISS?
> > > > > (or don't you believe in the lunar space
> > > > > elevator?)
>
> > > > Works great in SciFi, but it requires constant
> > > > maintenance, global commitment, no terrorists,
> > > > everntal vigilance, no inclement weather *ever*,
> > > > and science-not-in-evidence.
>
> > > So what sort of semi-stationary or halo orbit
> > > doesn't require maintenance (aka applied energy
> > > for station-keeping)?
>
> > L4 and L5.
>
> Then why isn't there stuff (natural or artificial) as existing/
> coexisting within Earth L4/L5 ?
The L4/L5 point shifted as the Moon receded, and this occurred after
the Earth congealed, and after the Moon "lobbed off", wiping any
matter with the necessary momentum clear. "Station keeping" as you
like to call it could occur much less frequently, centuries rather
than several times a year.
<snip chest thumping, and recitations about how exactly deep the water
is that you can walk on>
... oh,no, nothing is left!
We are done. You have drifted from your original point, into some
private "reality". I am not a qualified psychoanalyst, so I will
leave you to it.
David A. Smith
BradGuth
> Dear BradGuth:
>
> On Mar 4, 6:12 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>
> > > > I didn't say anything about a passive orbit. BTW, stuff
> > > > doesn't keep all that passively within L4 or L5.
>
> > > L4 and L5 are stable. You need do nothing to keep
> > > them up. Whereas other choices (like L1 + 50 feet) are
> > > at the mercy of accountants. And wars.
>
> > Your talking out of context, as well as about Earth L1 and
> > not about the moon's L1. Good grief, get a grip and think
> > outside to box.
>
> The Moon is of no interest. A "nuclear winter" on Earth from Apophis
> woudl terminate life on the Moon as well. It would be a colony fully
> dependent on the Earth for decades, so it could not "buy the Earth"
> until after that. A tether system on the Moon could not pay for the
> Lunar colony until after they were self-sufficient.
Why of course the moon is of no interest, because it's only by a
factor of more than a thousand fold more massive by ratio than any
other known moon, and represents nearly 2/3 the tidal influx that has
been keeping Earth extra warm from the very last ice-age this planet
is ever going to have.
>
>
> > > > > > and using such to build up the LSE-CM/ISS?
> > > > > > (or don't you believe in the lunar space
> > > > > > elevator?)
>
> > > > > Works great in SciFi, but it requires constant
> > > > > maintenance, global commitment, no terrorists,
> > > > > everntal vigilance, no inclement weather *ever*,
> > > > > and science-not-in-evidence.
>
> > > > So what sort of semi-stationary or halo orbit
> > > > doesn't require maintenance (aka applied energy
> > > > for station-keeping)?
>
> > > L4 and L5.
>
> > Then why isn't there stuff (natural or artificial) as existing/
> > coexisting within Earth L4/L5 ?
>
> The L4/L5 point shifted as the Moon receded, and this occurred after
> the Earth congealed, and after the Moon "lobbed off", wiping any
> matter with the necessary momentum clear. "Station keeping" as you
> like to call it could occur much less frequently, centuries rather
> than several times a year.
Interesting, but do we have any of those supercomputer simulations of
such 3D interactive orbital dynamics of L4 or L5 that are all-
inclusive?
>
> <snip chest thumping, and recitations about how exactly deep the water
> is that you can walk on>
>
> ... oh,no, nothing is left!
>
> We are done. You have drifted from your original point, into some
> private "reality". I am not a qualified psychoanalyst, so I will
> leave you to it.
What does a "qualified psychoanalyst" have to do with the regular laws
of physics and of peer replicated science?
Is deductive observsaionology another part of your nayuism?
. - Brad Guth
dlzc
On Mar 5, 9:30 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 6:24 am,dlzc<dl...@cox.net> wrote:
...
> > We are done. You have drifted from your original point,
> > into some private "reality". I am not a qualified
> > psychoanalyst, so I will leave you to it.
>
> What does a "qualified psychoanalyst" have to do with
> the regular laws of physics and of peer replicated science?
What does your obsession with a tether franchise on the Moon have to
do with Earth being hit by Apophis?
David A. Smith
men...@gmail.com
we don't need to travel faster then light ... you see, the thing with
time dilatation when we are speeding up to speed of light. to the
traveler, that is flying with, for example, .99999 speed of light, his
own speed would appear as greater than the speed of light.
dlzc
On Mar 5, 9:59 am, "menk...@gmail.com" <menk...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> > What does your obsession with a tether franchise on the
> > Moon have to do with Earth being hit by Apophis?
>
> we don't need to travel faster then light ... you see, the thing with
> time dilatation when we are speeding up to speed of light. to the
> traveler, that is flying with, for example, .99999 speed of light, his
> own speed would appear as greater than the speed of light.
This reminds me of a joke.
If a chicken and a half laid an egg and a half in a day and a half,
how long would it take an ant with a wooden leg to kick the seeds out
of a dill pickle? None, because ice cream has no bones.
We were ostensibly talking about Apophis... and/or whether or not
BradGuth inteprets God as trying to end us with it. Can you help him
stay on track?
David A. Smith
BradGuth
The LSE-CM/ISS would be another good place to be when the big-one hits
Earth.
Even a POOF City (aka Clarke Station) as interactively parked within
the moon's L1 would be good enough, although perhaps Venus L2 would be
a whole lot safer, much cooler and not nearly the saturated gamma or X-
rays to deal with.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
> Dear menkaur:
>
> On Mar 5, 9:59 am, "menk...@gmail.com" <menk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>
> > > What does your obsession with a tether franchise on the
> > > Moon have to do with Earth being hit by Apophis?
>
> > we don't need to travel faster then light ... you see, the thing with
> > time dilatation when we are speeding up to speed of light. to the
> > traveler, that is flying with, for example, .99999 speed of light, his
> > own speed would appear as greater than the speed of light.
>
> This reminds me of a joke.
> If a chicken and a half laid an egg and a half in a day and a half,
> how long would it take an ant with a wooden leg to kick the seeds out
> of a dill pickle? None, because ice cream has no bones.
>
> We were ostensibly talking about Apophis... and/or whether or not
> stay on track?
>
> David A. Smith
If God were going to kick butt, that would have happened some time
ago.
If God were even half as smart as you've given such credit, we
wouldn't be so stuck upon this badly failing planet of his/her
creation.
If this is yet another test of our will to survive, as such there's no
contest because, the rich and powerful (including their faith-based
puppeteers) will survive in good style, and even turn a nifty profit
at the ongoing demise of others.
The technology for dealing with such God rocks is doable as is, and
will become better focused and polished long before we get nailed.
So, unless it's an icy Sedna that's going to nail us, we're good to
go.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
Hitler or your other close friend GW Bush. Guess crimes against
humanity suits your mindset.
. - Brad Guth
On Mar 5, 10:18 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote:
> Essentially a repeat, Brad. Can't you do any better than that? lmao!
>
> You look like a total loon!
>
> Saul Levy
Apophis 99942 gives Earth a kiss of death.
We've got all the time in the world, because it's technically possible
to nudge this item, just enough that unless it brakes up due to
gravity/tidal forces, we should be capable of causing enough
trajectory drift or skew. Much like spysats in LEO, it's best keeping
these items as a whole rather than of many parts.
Is the 2029 NEO encounter of #99942 Apophis and that of Earth taking a
hit of at least 12e6 tonnes, unless safely passing us at 35,406 km
(that being less than a tenth the distance to our moon) close enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
size: 270 x 415 meters
mass: 26 ~ 46 million tonnes
SCENARIOS FOR DEALING WITH APOPHIS
http://www.aero.org/conferences/planetarydefense/2007papers/S3-4--Gennery-Brief.pdf
How about pondering us poor folks surviving a lithobraking encounter
(most likely involving ocean vaporizing displacements) of 12+ km/s?
(our NASA has Apophis encountering Earth as of 2036 at merely 12.6 km/
s and of only 21e6 tonnes)
Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
David A. Smith: Yes, it is called a "viable, funded, space program".
If I were the least bit in charge, that alternative of insuring a
"viable, funded, space program" would sound perfectly good to me,
especially considering the Godly potential of such horrific collateral
damage and carnage of the mostly innocent, as delivered by such a
whopping but glancing sucker-punch (meaning from behind), and only
made worse yet if we did nothing much to save ourselves.
There's roughly 21 years worth of this trajectory getting shifted or
altered by factors of gravity and minor encounters along the orbital
path, so there's going to be revisions in the +/- time of arrival, as
for that timing and NEO distance from us as we hopefully escape the
global trauma from yet another cosmic happenstance that'll forever
modify life on Earth.
21 years simply isn't long enough for getting hardly 10% of humanity
safely relocated to higher ground, much less accommodated as deep
enough within Earth. For most of humanity, a direct ocean hit of
that magnitude isn't exactly going to be all that survivable, even if
you're situated on the opposite side. The antipodes and super-mega
waves of hot ocean tsunamis haven't been estimated, perhaps because
it's all too doom and gloom or dark and scary.
Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory in order to
fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it impact our moon. At
least that win-win option would likely save Earth as well as cover up
any signs of our supposed Apollo mission, as buried under meters of
that dark coal like moon dust.
Once impacted into our naked moon and that dust settles down, we could
send our boys with all that "right stuff" and their undocumented R&D
of fly-by-rocket landers back to their passive moon that used to look
exactly like a xenon lamp spectrum illuminated guano island, in order
to harvest those raw elements of Apophis, as well as to see whatever
else that new hole into our moon as to offer.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
> As usual: NO! It WON'T hit the Earth, Brad! lmao!
>
> Death from above THIS month, remember? NOTHING WILL HAPPEN THEN
> EITHER! lmao!
>
> Saul Levy
Once again, our Saul Levy is so confused inside of his/her mainstream
status quo or bust box.
Is God pissed, or what?
Apophis 99942 gives Earth another kiss of death.
We've actually got all the time in the world, because it's technically
possible to nudge this item, just enough that unless it brakes up due
to gravity/tidal forces, we should be capable of causing enough
trajectory drift or skew. Much like spysats in LEO, it's best keeping
these pesky items as a whole rather than of many parts.
However, 21 years simply isn't long enough for getting hardly 10% of
humanity safely relocated to higher ground, much less accommodated as
deep enough within Earth. For most of humanity, a direct ocean hit
of that magnitude isn't exactly going to be all that survivable, even
if you're situated on the opposite side. The antipodes and super-mega
waves of hot ocean tsunamis haven't been estimated, perhaps because
it's all too doom and gloom or dark and scary.
Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory in order to
fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it impact our moon. At
least that win-win option would likely save Earth as well as cover up
any signs of our supposed Apollo mission, as buried under meters of
that dark coal like moon dust.
Once having impacted into our naked moon that's so coal like dark and
nasty, and all of that highly electrostatic charged dust settles down,
we could send our boys with all that "right stuff" with their
undocumented R&D of fly-by-rocket landers back to their passive moon
that used to look exactly like a xenon lamp spectrum illuminated guano
island, in order to harvest those raw elements of Apophis, as well as
to see whatever else that new hole of a crater into our moon as to
cjpo...@aol.com
> Is the 2029 NEO encounter of #99942/Apophis of 100,000+ tonnes passing
> at 35,406 km (less than a tenth the distance to our moon) close
> enough?
>
> How about surviving a lithobraking encounter (most likely involving
> ocean vaporizing displacements) of 40+ km/s?
>
> Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
BradGuth
Thanks for the repost. It helps keeping this topic on top of the
Usenet stack.
BTW, I could always use a few of those gold stars for my other topic.
Secret Pixels of Venus / by Brad Guth
-
Is God pissed, or what?
Apophis 99942 gives Earth another kiss of death.
We've actually got all the time in the world, because it's technically
possible to nudge this item, just enough that unless it brakes up due
to gravity/tidal forces, we should be capable of causing enough
trajectory drift or skew. Much like spysats in LEO, it's best keeping
these pesky items as a whole rather than of many parts.
Is the 2029 NEO encounter of #99942 Apophis and that of Earth taking a
hit of at least 12e6 tonnes, unless safely passing us at 35,406 km
(that being less than a tenth the distance to our moon) close enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
size: 270 x 415 meters
mass: 26 ~ 46 million tonnes
SCENARIOS FOR DEALING WITH APOPHIS
http://www.aero.org/conferences/planetarydefense/2007papers/S3-4--Gennery-Brief.pdf
How about pondering us poor folks surviving a lithobraking encounter
(most likely involving ocean vaporizing displacements) of 12+ km/s?
(our NASA has Apophis encountering Earth as of 2036 at merely 12.6 km/
s and of only 21e6 tonnes)
Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
David A. Smith: Yes, it is called a "viable, funded, space program".
BradGuth
> -> There's roughly 21 years worth of this trajectory getting shifted or
> -> altered by factors of gravity and minor encounters along the orbital
> -> path, so there's going to be revisions in the +/- time of arrival, as
> -> for that timing and NEO distance from us as we hopefully escape the
> -> global trauma from yet another cosmic happenstance that'll forever
> -> modify life on Earth.
>
> The trajectory is now known well enough that we can be *certain* there
> will be no impact in 2029. All that will happen is that an object
> (likely a pile of rubble) the size of an apartment block will cruise by
> at a distance of 30+ thousand kilometres. It will look from the ground
> like a rather dim, slowly-moving "star", something like an aircraft at
> high altitude, or an artificial satellite. It won't be spectacular, let
> alone destructive.
>
> Passing that close to the earth will "scatter" the trajectory. A small
> variation in the position of closest approach will produce large
> variations in the path subsequently. So calculations that can be made
> now about future approaches are highly uncertain. However, the
> probability of an impact in the next few centuries is very small.
>
> The close approach in 2029 may well cause the rubble pile to be torn
> apart by the earth's tidal effect. If so, all that will be left
> subsequently will be some smaller objects. If and when they hit the
> earth, nothing disastrous will happen.
>
> Apophis has only about one millionth of the mass of the asteroid that
> hit the earth 65 million years ago, probably causing the dinosaurs to
> be wiped out (except for the birds). Even if Apophis were to impact the
> earth directly, the consequences would be tiny compared with those of
> that ancient collision - which the earth and our own ancestors
> survived.
>
> Your paranoid screaming achieves nothing except to make you look stupid.
>
> dow
You're saying no such close flyby gravity breakup is possible, and
there's absolutely no such other minor encounters to fret between now
and 2029 or 2036. Are you God?
Just how solid of a single unit is this thing? What's the actual mass
(+/- 1 kt)? ( actually, a really good simulation would demand +/- 1
kg)
How stealth or immune to encountering other items along its path is
this rock or more likely pile of collected rocks?
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
> Why do you keep posting replies with nothing new in them, BEERTbrain?
> lmao!
>
> This has to be from him. It shows how senile he is.
>
> Saul Levy
Because silly folks like your self just don't get it. As such it may
take another thousand tries before even half of what this topic has to
offer sinks in.
Is God pissed, or what?
Apophis 99942 gives Earth another kiss of death.
We've actually got all the time in the world, because it's technically
possible to nudge this item, just enough that unless it brakes up due
to gravity/tidal forces, we should be capable of causing enough
trajectory drift or skew. Much like spysats in LEO, it's best keeping
these pesky items as a whole rather than of many parts.
Is the 2029 NEO encounter of #99942 Apophis and that of Earth taking a
hit of at least 12e6 tonnes, unless safely passing us at 35,406 km
(that being less than a tenth the distance to our moon) close enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
size: 270 x 415 meters
mass: 26 ~ 46 million tonnes
SCENARIOS FOR DEALING WITH APOPHIS
http://www.aero.org/conferences/planetarydefense/2007papers/S3-4--Gennery-Brief.pdf
How about pondering us poor folks surviving a lithobraking encounter
(most likely involving ocean vaporizing displacements) of 12+ km/s?
(our NASA has Apophis encountering Earth as of 2036 at merely 12.6 km/
s and of only 21e6 tonnes)
Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
David A. Smith: Yes, it is called a "viable, funded, space program".
If I were the least bit in charge, that alternative of insuring a
"viable, funded, space program" would sound perfectly good to me,
especially considering the Godly potential of such horrific collateral
damage and carnage of the mostly innocent, as delivered by such a
whopping but glancing sucker-punch (meaning from behind), and only
made worse yet if we did nothing much to save ourselves.
There's roughly 21 years worth of this trajectory getting shifted or
altered by factors of gravity and minor encounters along the orbital
path, so there's going to be revisions in the +/- time of arrival, as
for that timing and NEO distance from us as we hopefully escape the
global trauma from yet another cosmic happenstance that'll forever
BradGuth
> When NOTHING HAPPENS that's NOT death from above, Brad! lmao!
>
> DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER! lmao!
>
> Saul Levy
>
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:00:31 -0800 (PST), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Once again, Earth is saved by the all-knowing intellectual flatulence
> >of Saul Levy.
>
> >On Mar 5, 10:13 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> You might as well be DEAD RIGHT NOW, Brad! lmao!
>
> >> Looney toon, wacko nutjob! NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
>
> >> Saul Levy
>
> >Apophis 99942 gives Earth a kiss of death.
>
> >We've got all the time in the world, because it's technically possible
> >to nudge this item, just enough that unless it brakes up due to
> >gravity/tidal forces, we should be capable of causing enough
> >trajectory drift or skew. Much like spysats in LEO, it's best keeping
>
> >Is the 2029 NEO encounter of #99942 Apophis and of Earth taking a hit
> >of at least 12e6 tonnes, unless safely passing us at 35,406 km (that
> >being less than a tenth the distance to our moon) close enough?
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
> >size: 270 x 415 meters
> >mass: 26 ~ 46 million tonnes
>
> >SCENARIOS FOR DEALING WITH APOPHIS
>
> >How about pondering us poor folks surviving a lithobraking encounter
> >(most likely involving ocean vaporizing displacements) of 12+ km/s?
> >(our NASA has Apophis encountering Earth as of 2036 at merely 12.6 km/
> >s and of only 21e6 tonnes)
>
> >Is there such a thing as RRGI(Road Rage God Insurance)?
>
> >David A. Smith: Yes, it is called a "viable, funded, space program".
>
> >If I were the least bit in charge, that alternative of insuring a
> >"viable, funded, space program" would sound perfectly good to me,
> >especially considering the Godly potential of such horrific collateral
> >damage and carnage of the mostly innocent, as delivered by such a
> >whopping but glancing sucker-punch (meaning from behind), and only
> >made worse yet if we did nothing much to save ourselves.
>
> >There's roughly 21 years worth of this trajectory getting shifted or
> >altered by factors of gravity and minor encounters along the orbital
> >path, so there's going to be revisions in the +/- time of arrival, as
> >for that timing and NEO distance from us as we hopefully escape the
> >global trauma from yet another cosmic happenstance that'll forever
> >modify life on Earth.
> >safely relocated to higher ground, much less accommodated as deep
> >enough within Earth. For most of humanity, a direct ocean hit of
> >that magnitude isn't exactly going to be all that survivable, even if
> >you're situated on the opposite side. The antipodes and super-mega
> >waves of hot ocean tsunamis haven't been estimated, perhaps because
> >it's all too doom and gloom or dark and scary.
> >Too bad we can't effectively modify its orbital trajectory in order to
> >fully terminate Apophis, by way of having it impact our moon. At
> >least that win-win option would likely save Earth as well as cover up
> >any signs of our supposed Apollo mission, as buried under meters of
> >that dark coal like moon dust.
> >send our boys with all that "right stuff" and their undocumented R&D
> >of fly-by-rocket landers back to their passive moon that used to look
> >exactly like a xenon lamp spectrum illuminated guano island, in order
> >to harvest those raw elements of Apophis, as well as to see whatever
> >. - Brad Guth
If many of us can't survive or best entirely divert this one, then we
might as well just give up and let whatever take place, much like our
FEMA, as then the surviving few of our fancy suit wearing and Hummer
or Lamborghini driving folks can take all the credit for the good
things and officially blame all the bad stuff on Muslims, or perhaps
on Iran, Venezuela or Cuba.
Being prepared and as much as possible keeping ourselves ahead of or
at least well enough to the side of this ball is not "DOOM AND GLOOM
FOREVER!", but perhaps that's just me thinking on the positive and
otherwise constructive side of this uncertain future.
Since we've got plenty of time and several opportunities before the
big one; What do you think about once and for-all sticking it into
our moon?
. - Brad Guth
Those Usenet MIBs are doing their usual damage control. Either that
or apparently I've been using up far more than my fair share of this
Google/NOVA Usenet bandwidth, as having only recently posted all of
one new topic and replied to a couple of others has my Usenet account
down to its knees or getting locked down, along with the usual
gauntlet of my having been getting those pesky multiple errors while
trying to post replies, often receiving the final kill message of
"Your account or Internet address has exceeded our posting limit at
this time, please try again later." Perhaps this has a little
something to do with my 7-day activity of getting nearly 5000 views of
my messages (nearly 700 per day) must be why I've been so often nailed
or cut off. There's also so many of those new and improved cookie
spermware/fuckware (aka spyware) files, in that my PC and ISP
connection into this Usenet has gotten nearly terminal before I start.
My local ISP also keeps cutting this supposed "unlimited internet
access" off, so that I'm having to reconnect dozens of times, as well
as I also keep getting those pesky "Server not found" (Firefox can't
find the server at www.google.com.) or those "The connection was
reset" and frequent "An error was encountered while trying to post,
please try again later" messages. I can't be certain, but I'm
thinking there's another class action lawsuit somewhere in all of that
mess.
. - BG