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Jim Oberg

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Oct 30, 2007, 8:53:11 AM10/30/07
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http://npc.press.org/calendar/caldbevent.cfm?eventid=14033

Event Date:
Oct. 30, 2007

Event Name:
NASA Cover-Ups Continue

Event Type:
News Conference

Time:
9:00 AM

Sponsored by:
Enterprise Mission

Event Location:
Zenger Room

Details:
Fired NASA Whistleblower to Reveal New Apollo Secrets Kept Classified
by Space Agency for Over 40 Years.

Dr. Ken Johnston, former Manager of the Data and Photo Control
Division at NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar
Exploration Effort in the 1970's, was abruptly terminated Tuesday morning,
October 23rd, from NASA's prestigious "Solar System Ambassador" (SSA)
Program at JPL. The firing was direct reprisal for Johnston's published
account in a New York Times Best Seller, "Dark Mission: the Secret History
of NASA," of how NASA ordered him, 40 years ago, to destroy key Apollo lunar
images and data -- rather than allow them to be preserved for academic study
and public view. Johnston will testify at an Enterprise Mission sponsored
National Press Club news conference this Tuesday, October 30th (Zenger Room,
9:00 AM) , how he disobeyed these NASA orders, secretly preserving the
critical Apollo images. Johnston will then show some of the "missing" Apollo
frames -- which confirm the existence of long-rumored "ancient artificial
ruins and technology on the Moon," discovered by the Apollo astronauts but
legally classified under the 1958 Space Act by NASA for over 40 years.

Johnston will be joined by Richard C. Hoagland, former NASA consultant
and CBS News Science Science Advisor during the Apollo lunar missions.
Hoagland is coauthor of "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA," and head
of The Enterprise Mission. Hoagland will present an imaging analysis of
Johnston's 40-year-old rescued Apollo images, comparing them to modern
versions apparently currently being "leaked" by other "whistleblowers" on
official NASA websites. He will also demonstrate and analyze one of the
secret technologies retrieved by the Apollo crews, relating to the
artificial control of gravity.


Contact: Mike Bara's #310-701-3152


Hagar

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Oct 30, 2007, 12:43:25 PM10/30/07
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"Jim Oberg" <job...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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As much as I wish that such photos exist and that there may be evidence of
alien life, past or present, I will remain skeptical until I can actually
view these picture frames in their original format, i.e. not enhanced or
altered in any way.

However, I'm making bets it ain't going to happen.


BradGuth

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Oct 30, 2007, 2:23:31 PM10/30/07
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That's a really safe bet that even I'd go in with.
- Brad Guth -

BradGuth

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Oct 30, 2007, 2:24:28 PM10/30/07
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Interesting how GOOGLE/NOVA space.history usenet was so quick to cut
us off at the pass, just before this "NASA Cover-Ups Continue" of
their National Press Club thing got underway. I'm also getting
traumatised by those extra butt-loads of their PC spermware/fuckware
that's trying every other dirty trick in their Old Testament book in
order to terminate my usenet access. Meanwhile, other usenet groups
are much less affected.

I have no personal doubts as to the possibility of there being
"ancient artificial ruins and technology on the Moon," as discovered
by our orbiting Apollo robotics (thought not as via astronauts) and
perhaps as having been legally classified under the 1958 Space Act by


NASA for over 40 years.

As to the demonstration and analyzing one of those supposed secret


technologies retrieved by the Apollo crews, relating to the artificial

control of gravity, is entirely proof positive of the ongoing ruse/
sting nature of this ongoing hocus-pocus fiasco, of the silly hype
worth of infowar/infomercial spewing that's at the very disinformation
root of most all things NASA and pretend-atheists at the same time.

There is simply no possible way that Ken or Richard are rogue agents
working outside of MI5/NSA/CIA~NASA orchestration or moderation, and
still alive to be sharing such secrets (far less crimes would get such
folks put into our secret prisons and if need be waterboarded to death
without so much as any speck of due process). It does our NASA much
good having such a insider ruse/sting ongoing, because it only makes
NASA look all that more believable. However, if this press event
brings further attention to our physically dark and somewhat salty old
moon that's always saturated in gamma, plus especially X-ray and
double IR nasty by day, then so be it.
- Brad Guth -

BTW, you folks do recall what happened to that certain other original
NASA safety engineer whistleblower and of his entire family, don't
you?

Not only did those pesky MIB manage to arrange that rather unfortunate
encounter with a locomotive, but also having scrubbed out his entire
safety report, as well as that of his field office and most of
everything else got scrubbed off the face of Earth, almost like he
never existed.

Perhaps something similar will happen to Dr. Ken Johnston. (does Ken
Johnston have a reliable posse that's packing heat?)

Or, is this simply another pretend sort of whistleblower ruse thing
that our government and NASA are really good at pulling off. (at least
if I were NASA, it's exactly what kind of stealth damage-control that
I'd be doing right about now)

It seems as though anything that further supports the notions of our
NASA/Apollo astronauts actually walking moonsuit butt naked on that
moon of ours is good enough, even if it comes by way of other
rusemasters trying to pull off whatever can suggest that we'd walked
on that dusty old moon with our unfiltered optics and Kodak film that
was somehow immune to such raw UV or even UV secondary/recoil photons,
and otherwise simply couldn't notice or much less record Venus.

It'll be interesting as to a head count of those attending this
Enterprise Mission event.
- Brad Guth -

Nomen Nescio

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Oct 30, 2007, 5:10:09 PM10/30/07
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From: Daniel <babylon.usa>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Remember Big Al Einstein's world-famous quip that there are
"only two things that are infinite, the Universe, and human
stupidity"! There are only two kinds of people in the world
who *always* lie even when the truth works better: Atheists
and official Government spokespeople, including politicians,
even discredited backsliders (seeing that government always
buys/threatens them off, or kills them & their families off)
and I am absolutely positively certain they are *all* liars.
It's like George Carlin said "Everything that the government
tells me is a lie!" Same goes for Atheists. They are nothing
but pathological liars. They always lie. Liars! Liars! Liars!

All objective analysis of the known facts has consistently
proven Big Brother's "apollo" story is patently impossible.
Nearly *four decades* have elapsed since 1969, thirty-five
years since 1972. The Apollo missions were all unmanned as
the evidence shows. A mere few hundred miles above sealevel
is as far above Earth's surface that JPL/NASA's "horseless"
carriages have ever been. Every "manned" moon landing back
in covered-wagon times was nothing but cold-war propaganda
for the unsuspecting masses...as the evidence demonstrates.

It's a proven fact NASA's six allegedly-manned half-million
miles per round-trip(!) missions to the Moon (1969-72) were
at best unmanned flights in competition with the U.S.S.R.'s
contemporaneous Soviet Luna/Lunakhod unmanned Moon missions.
"They couldn't make it so they faked it." Thus, the "manned"
portions of the missions were actually filmed under the top-
secret, heavily-guarded domed soundstages in the high desert
of Area 51, NV, perhaps around Pine Gap, AUS and maybe other
remote and publicly-inaccessible locations around the world.

Flags fluttering in the high-desert breeze, sand
buggies & actors running along in their deflated
monkeysuits-obviously recorded on highspeed film,
conspicuous absence of blast craters, impossibly
silent running under invisible exhaust emissions,
brazenly obvious backdrops which contrast sharply
against the nearby high-desert terrain ad nauseam

The Moon is far beyond the reach of manned spacecraft, to wit:

ALTITUDE COMPARISON CHART
SHUTTLE VS. MOON & MANMADE SATELLITES
(not to scale)

x------Moon's mean geocentric distance ~239,000 miles---x
| |
| |
| |
| |
~ ~214,000 MILES ~
~ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ~
| |
| |
| |
x------High-altitude orbit ~25,000+ miles altitude------x
| |
x------Geostationary orbit ~22,300 miles altitude-------x
| |
| |
~ ~10,000 MILES ~
~ ~
| |
x------Mid-altitude orbit ~12,500 miles altitude--------x
| |
| |
~ ~10,000 MILES ~
~ ~
| |
x------Low-altitude orbit below ~1200 miles altitude----x
x------JPL/NASA Space Shuttle orbit ~300 miles altitude-x
x------Intl. Space Station orbit ~220 miles altitude |
x------Earth's sea level -0- miles altitude-------------x


To give you an idea of the scale involved, if each hard line
break in the chart below equals roughly 10,000 miles, to wit:

x------Moon's mean geocentric distance ~239,000 miles---x
| 230,000 |
| 220,000 |
| 210,000 |
| 200,000 |
| 190,000 |
| 180,000 |
| 170,000 |
| 160,000 |
| 150,000 |
| 140,000 |
| 130,000 |
| 120,000 |
| 110,000 |
| 100,000 |
| 90,000 |
| 80,000 |
| 70,000 |
| 60,000 |
| 50,000 |
| 40,000 |
| 30,000 |
x------Geostationary orbit ~22,300 miles altitude-------x
x------Mid-altitude orbit ~12,500 miles altitude--------x
x------Low-altitude orbit below ~1200 miles altitude----x

Thus the low-earth shuttle orbit would fit somewhere between
the center and baseline of the bottom 'x'--hardly visible at
all at this scale. And yet, that is the highest altitude any
manned flight has ever successfully sustained for any length
of time. But the "men to the moon" fairytale devotees don't
want to face up to these and other glaring facts in evidence:

*Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI03881...@anonymous.poster

*Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O3750...@Gilgamesh-frog.org

*Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX3749...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
______________________________________________________________

Remember, because this particular evidence regarding the laser
reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
educated cowards who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:

http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
"Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
rover had eight wheels.
"The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
television pictures and scientific data.
Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
and carried an additional television camera. It
travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]

http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
"Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
moving.
The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
laser beam, making it possible to measure the
distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]

http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
"There is an additional high-level TV camera for
panoramic photography, and all lenses have
improved sunshades.
The small silver box between the front wheels is
an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
centimetres.

http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
"the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
a core sample.
On returning to the rest position, the sample is
transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
Earth" [end quote]

Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.

So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
"manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?

By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?

At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
reflectors proves the American space program successfully
sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation.

In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/

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Pat Flannery

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Oct 30, 2007, 7:41:27 PM10/30/07
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Jim Oberg wrote:
> http://npc.press.org/calendar/caldbevent.cfm?eventid=14033
>

CNN newswoman: http://www.enterprisemission.com/NPC2007.htm
Anyone found a transcript of what they said at the press conference yet?
They don't seem to have on at Enterprise Mission yet.
(I went to their website...they are completely off their rockers over
there. :-D )

Pat

SHOOTER586

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Oct 30, 2007, 7:15:08 PM10/30/07
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Isn't Hoagland the moron that thought the "face on Mars" proved a
civilization lived there? Then we find out it was just a rock and a
shadow? No wonder he gets laughed at by NASA.

Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet

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Oct 30, 2007, 8:22:26 PM10/30/07
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I was at that event via astral projection and I did a head count
of 124.

- Tom

Jonathan

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Oct 30, 2007, 8:54:01 PM10/30/07
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"Jim Oberg" <job...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>


Why do you waste your time on these idiots?

Don't you have any interest in politics and policy?


BradGuth

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Oct 30, 2007, 9:11:49 PM10/30/07
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On Oct 30, 4:53 am, "Jim Oberg" <job...@houston.rr.com> wrote:

You folks do recall what happened to that certain NASA safety engineer
and his entire family, don't you?

Not only did those pesky MIB manage to arrange that rather unfortunate
encounter with a locomotive, but also having scrubbed out his entire
safety report, as well as that of his field office and most of
everything else got scrubbed off the face of Earth, almost like he
never existed.

Perhaps something similar will happen to Dr. Ken Johnston. (does Ken
Johnston have a reliable posse that's packing heat?)

Or, is this simply another pretend sort of whistleblower ruse thing
that our government and NASA are really good at pulling off. (at least
if I were NASA, it's exactly what kind of stealth damage-control that
I'd be doing right about now)

- Brad Guth -

OM

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Oct 30, 2007, 10:29:05 PM10/30/07
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:15:08 -0700, SHOOTER586 <shoot...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Isn't Hoagland the moron that thought the "face on Mars" proved a
>civilization lived there? Then we find out it was just a rock and a
>shadow? No wonder he gets laughed at by NASA.

...That, and he constantly embarasses Unca Walter Cronkite each time
he hypes up his working as Unca Walter's "gofer" during See-BS' moon
landing coverage. Walter's daughter, Kathy, and I worked together on
several occasions, and one day while one of Hoaxland's ads showed up
on the TV station we worked at, she confided that her father wished
that Hoaxland would not only quit claiming something that wasn't true,
but that he'd just simply go crawl back under his rock and stay there.

OM
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BradGuth

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Oct 30, 2007, 9:55:07 PM10/30/07
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NASA and their team of brown-nosed minions tend to laugh at innocent
folks getting nailed by our own friendly and not so friendly fire, as
well as having to survive our seemingly unlimited scope of collateral
damage to boot, and they even seem to laugh at a few of their own
mistakes that get our astronaut crews terminated and those multi-
billion dollar spendy bits of space age technology destroyed, so
what's the difference?
- Brad Guth -

BradGuth

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Oct 30, 2007, 9:56:56 PM10/30/07
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On Oct 30, 4:53 am, "Jim Oberg" <job...@houston.rr.com> wrote:

There may have been those lunar transported ETs, as of once upon a
time situated onboard our interstellar migrating icy proto-moon,
wheeas that's technically doable for the likes of accommodating our
frail DNA having survived such an exposed trek. A thick layer of ice
not only makes a perfectly terrific thermal insulator, but it's also
going to function darn good on behalf of cosmic radiation shielding (a
whole lot better off than any combined terrestrial atmosphere and
magnetosphere worth of Van Allen bets can accommodate, as well as such
ice [especially if it's made extra cold and thus of hard salty ice]
being rather nicely impact resistant).

This following press event should have been well enough over by now,
with at the very least some viable info along with one or more of
those supposed taboo NASA/Apollo images that we've never before seen,
as for getting usenet posted by at least one soul. I wonder what's
taking so long? (didn't anyone show up?)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/f326915ff445ad01/85a4f5446390fdcc#85a4f5446390fdcc

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/666efb808ae30256/557f86034fb4b63a#557f86034fb4b63a

Interesting as to how GOOGLE/NOVA sci.space.history and any other
usenet group as hosting this topic was so quick to cut us off at the
pass, and just in time before this "NASA Cover-Ups Continue" of their
National Press Club thing got underway. For the record, I'm also
getting summarily traumatised by those extra butt-loads of their PC


spermware/fuckware that's trying every other dirty trick in their Old

Testament book in order to terminate my usenet access, or at least
capable of remote terminating my mouse. Meanwhile, other usenet
groups without having this topic have been much less affected if at
all.

I have no personal doubts as to the possibility of there having been


"ancient artificial ruins and technology on the Moon," as discovered

by our orbiting Apollo robotics (thought not as recorded via
astronauts) and perhaps as such having been legally classified under
the 1958 Space Act by NASA for the past 40+ years.

As to the demonstration and analyzing one of those supposed secret


technologies retrieved by the Apollo crews, relating to the artificial

control of gravity, is entirely proof positive of the ongoing ruse/

sting nature of this forever hocus-pocus fiasco, of the silly hype


worth of infowar/infomercial spewing that's at the very disinformation
root of most all things NASA and pretend-atheists at the same time.

There is simply no possible way that Ken or Richard are actually rogue


agents working outside of MI5/NSA/CIA~NASA orchestration or

moderation, and still alive to be sharing such supposed secrets (far


less crimes would get such folks put into our secret prisons and if
need be waterboarded to death without so much as any speck of due

process). I would believe that it does our NASA much good having such
a insider ruse/sting ongoing, because it only makes everything else


NASA look all that more believable. However, if this press event
brings further attention to our physically dark and somewhat salty old
moon that's always saturated in gamma, plus especially X-ray and
double IR nasty by day, then so be it.

BTW, you folks do recall what happened to that certain other original
NASA safety engineer whistleblower and of his entire family, don't
you?

Not only did those pesky MIB manage to arrange that rather unfortunate
encounter with a locomotive, but also having scrubbed out his entire
safety report, as well as that of his field office and most of
everything else got scrubbed off the face of Earth, almost like he
never existed.

Perhaps something similar will happen to Dr. Ken Johnston. (does Ken
Johnston have a reliable posse that's packing heat?) Or, is this
simply another pretend sort of whistleblower ruse thing that our
government and NASA are really good at pulling off. (at least if I
were NASA, it's exactly what kind of stealth damage-control that I'd
be doing right about now)

It seems as though anything that further supports the notions of our


NASA/Apollo astronauts actually walking moonsuit butt naked on that
moon of ours is good enough, even if it comes by way of other
rusemasters trying to pull off whatever can suggest that we'd walked
on that dusty old moon with our unfiltered optics and Kodak film that
was somehow immune to such raw UV or even UV secondary/recoil photons,
and otherwise simply couldn't notice or much less record Venus.

It'll be downright interesting as to a head count and ID of those
attending this Enterprise Mission news event. I wonder what sort of
back page of which obscure newspaper or publication it'll get reported
upon? (perhaps Play Boy or LeapFrog will run something in pop-up
format)
- Brad Guth -

BradGuth

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Oct 31, 2007, 2:44:09 AM10/31/07
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In all fairness, there may have been those lunar transported ETs, as

of once upon a time situated onboard our interstellar migrating icy
proto-moon, wheeas that's technically doable for the likes of
accommodating our frail DNA having to survive such an exposed trek. A

thick layer of ice not only makes a perfectly terrific thermal
insulator, but it's also going to function darn good on behalf of
cosmic radiation shielding (a whole lot better off than any combined
terrestrial atmosphere and magnetosphere worth of Van Allen bets can
accommodate, as well as such ice [especially if it's made extra cold
and thus of hard salty ice] being rather nicely impact resistant).

This following press event should have been well enough over by now,
with at the very least some viable info along with one or more of
those supposed taboo NASA/Apollo images that we've never before seen,

as for their getting usenet posted by at least one soul. I wonder
what's taking so long? (didn't anyone bother to show up?)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/f326915ff445ad01/85a4f5446390fdcc#85a4f5446390fdcc

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/666efb808ae30256/557f86034fb4b63a#557f86034fb4b63a

Interesting as to how GOOGLE/NOVA sci.space.history and any other
usenet group as hosting this topic was so quick to cut us off at the
pass, and just in time before this "NASA Cover-Ups Continue" of their
National Press Club thing got underway. For the record, I'm also
getting summarily traumatised by those extra butt-loads of their PC
spermware/fuckware that's trying every other dirty trick in their Old
Testament book in order to terminate my usenet access, or at least
capable of remote terminating my mouse. Meanwhile, other usenet
groups without having this topic have been much less affected if at
all.

I have no personal doubts as to the possibility of there having been
"ancient artificial ruins and technology on the Moon," as discovered
by our orbiting Apollo robotics (thought not as recorded via
astronauts) and perhaps as such having been legally classified under
the 1958 Space Act by NASA for the past 40+ years.

As to the demonstration and analyzing one of those supposed secret


technologies retrieved by the Apollo crews, relating to the artificial

obscure back page of which newspaper or publication it'll get reported

BradGuth

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Oct 31, 2007, 2:50:28 AM10/31/07
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> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560...@anonymous.poster

>
> *Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861...@Gilgamesh-frog.org

>
> *Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
> So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the ...
>
> read more »

Nothing from Earth has soft landed upon our moon. At best a few one-
way soft impacts were likely accomplished.
- Brad Guth -

Revision

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Oct 31, 2007, 3:02:41 AM10/31/07
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"Hagar"

> As much as I wish that such photos exist and that there may be evidence
> of alien life, past or present, I will remain skeptical
> However, I'm making bets it ain't going to happen.

Well yeah, I have looked at plenty of these pics already, and all you can
see is rocks.

Hoagland is IMO a mental case, and uses his dimentia to sell books.

Dunno what is up with Ken Johnston, or for that matter, Cheryl Jones at
CNN.

K.

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John "C"

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"Bob Officer" <bobof...@127.0.0.7> Bob Chush-pa-nyeh Howled after
drinking a Big Bottle of "Fire Water":

> I'll be betting you haven't figured out what FITS files are or how to
> read them.

I'll be betting you are a drunken Injun and can't read because you are a
Savage!

Your Pal,
HJ


BradGuth

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On Oct 30, 4:22 pm, Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet

Wow! 124 is certainly a whole lot better head count than I'd thought
would attend. As a small classroom of such heads, perchance, were any
of those heads from The Washington Post or PBS. Wasn't Dan Rather or
any other investigative reporter there?

Thus far, still no public press coverage, or much less of anything
from LeapFrog about squat of whatever's supposedly so moon like for
real about those xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated terrain
photographs, of our guano island's pretend it's a moon setting.

Even close-up and via our unfiltered Kodak shots of that supposed
modified rock are not telling us squat as to what and/or how any of
that physically dark, thick and sticky moon dust ever managed to get
out of those deep cracks, and of that extremely spooky and supposed
artificial tower item is just looking as though too gosh darn hocus
pocus, as though it was something in their guano island background or
on stage that wasn't supposed to be there, as otherwise it's made of
or cloaked by whatever's nearly as sooty black as or at least darker
than coal.

There's actually some extremely weird stuff as robotic photographed
from orbit that's entirely believable as being somewhat artificial
looking, and otherwise just plain old naturally weird about our
physically dark and nasty moon that's oddly somewhat salty, as well as
highly electrostatic charged and always saturated in gamma, plus by
double IR roasting to death day of having those pesky X-rays to deal

Hagar

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"Bob Officer" <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
news:a1ogi3d9m083umcmj...@4ax.com...
> You mean you discovered what FITS files are?

>
>>However, I'm making bets it ain't going to happen.
>
> I'll be betting you haven't figured out what FITS files are or how to
> read them.

Hey numbskull, follow the link:
http://fits.gsfc.nasa.gov/fits_intro.html

Go'fck'yslf

> --
> Ak'toh'di


John "C"

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"Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message

> Hey numbskull, follow the link:
> http://fits.gsfc.nasa.gov/fits_intro.html
>
> Go'fck'yslf

He probably does after drinking too much "Fire Water".

His full name is "Bob for knobs down by the stream".

CHJ


BradGuth

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And on the DoD table, we have our warm and fuzzy Nukes in Space, and
so much more to look forward to: Scroll yourself down to page 30 or
so / Cis-Lunar Space
http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/library/meetings/annual/nov03/Worden_Simon.pdf

According to our XNASA "Enterprise Mission" wizards and author of
"Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA", our moon needs to be re-
explored in much greater detail, of which I'd have to full agree with
that analogy, but not for the same reasons as having been suggested by
NASA's very own weird kind of disinformation/infowar spewing
rusemasters that are indirectly supporting everything NASA/Apollo, as
though it's the one and only whole truth and nothing but the truth, so
help them via whatever faith-based God is putting our hard earned loot
into their offshore bank accounts.

According to our "Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet(Tom)" as
having reported upon yet another Enterprise Mission infomercial event
as having a head count of 124. At that rather pathetic turnout, I
supposed that kind of infomercial press exposure event as held within
the little "Zenger Room" cost them at the very least a good $100/head
(a whole lot more spendy if you're not a NPC member). Was there any
door charge, implied donation or required book purchase for attending?

Wow! 124 is certainly a whole lot better head count than I'd thought

would attend. As a small NPC classroom of such heads, perchance were
any of those attending heads from The Washington Post or PBS. Wasn't
Dan Rather or any other investigative reporter there? How about a
brief visit by Walter Cronkite, or was there even so much as one
official NASA astronaut there to behold?

Thus far, there's still no public press coverage, or much less of


anything from LeapFrog about squat of whatever's supposedly so moon
like for real about those xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated terrain

photographs, of our guano island's pretend it's a moon environment
setting.

Even of my having reviewed far better close-ups of that unusually
bright albedo worthy rock, and via our fancy but optically unfiltered
and apparently rad-hard Kodak moment shots of that supposed ET


modified rock are not telling us squat as to what and/or how any of
that physically dark, thick and sticky moon dust ever managed to get

out of those deep cracks, and of that other extremely spooky and


supposed artificial tower item is just looking as though too gosh darn

hocus pocus, as though it was something weird in their guano island


background or on stage that wasn't supposed to be there, as otherwise
it's made of or cloaked by whatever's nearly as sooty black as or at
least darker than coal.

There's actually some extremely weird stuff as robotic photographed
from orbit that's entirely believable as being somewhat artificial
looking, and otherwise just plain old naturally weird about our
physically dark and nasty moon that's oddly somewhat salty, as well as
highly electrostatic charged and always saturated in gamma, plus

double IR roasting to death by day of having those pesky X-rays to
deal with.

In all possible fairness, there may have been those lunar transported


ETs, as of once upon a time situated onboard our interstellar
migrating icy proto-moon, wheeas that's technically doable for the
likes of accommodating our frail DNA having to survive such an exposed
trek. A thick layer of ice not only makes a perfectly terrific
thermal insulator, but it's also going to function darn good on behalf
of cosmic radiation shielding (a whole lot better off than any
combined terrestrial atmosphere and magnetosphere worth of Van Allen
bets can accommodate, as well as such ice [especially if it's made
extra cold and thus of hard salty ice] being rather nicely impact
resistant).

This following press event should have been well enough over by now,
with at the very least some viable info along with one or more of

those supposed taboo (aka never seen before) NASA/Apollo images that
we've never before had access to, as for those images getting usenet
posted for the first time by at least one honest soul. I wonder
what's taking so long? (or didn't anyone of investigative importance

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/666efb808ae30256/557f86034fb4b63a#557f86034fb4b63a

I have no personal doubts as to the possibility of there having been
"ancient artificial ruins and technology on the Moon", as discovered
by our orbiting Apollo robotics (though not as directly recorded via
Apollo astronauts) and perhaps as such having been legally classified
under the 1958 Space Act by NASA for the past 40+ years.

As to the demonstration and analyzing one of those supposed secret


technologies retrieved by the Apollo crews, relating to the artificial

control of gravity, is entirely proof positive of the ongoing ruse/
sting nature of this forever hocus-pocus fiasco, of the silly hype
worth of infowar/infomercial spewing that's at the very disinformation
root of most all things NASA and pretend-atheists at the same time.

There is simply no possible way that Ken or Richard are actually rogue
agents working outside of MI5/NSA/CIA~NASA orchestration or
moderation, and still alive to be sharing such supposed secrets (far
less crimes would get such folks put into our secret prisons and if
need be waterboarded to death without so much as any speck of due
process). I would believe that it does our NASA much good having such
a insider ruse/sting ongoing, because it only makes everything else
NASA look all that more believable. However, if this press event
brings further attention to our physically dark and somewhat salty old
moon that's always saturated in gamma, plus especially X-ray and
double IR nasty by day, then so be it.

BTW, you folks do recall what happened to that certain other original
NASA safety engineer whistleblower and of his entire family, don't

you? (wouldn't that happen again if there was any such disclosed
truths about our moon to behold, especially if such information didn't
fully cover our NASA/Apollo butts)

Not only did those pesky MIB manage to arrange that rather unfortunate
encounter with a locomotive, but also having scrubbed out his entire
safety report, as well as that of his field office and most of

everything else got scrubbed off the face of Earth, almost like that
safety engineer had never existed.

Perhaps something similar will happen to Dr. Ken Johnston. (does Ken
Johnston have a reliable posse that's packing heat?) Or, is this

simply another pretend sort of whistleblower ruse kind of thing that


our government and NASA are really good at pulling off. (at least if I

were NASA, it's exactly what kind of stealth insider damage-control
that I'd be doing and/or allowing right about now)

It seems as though anything that further supports the notions of our
NASA/Apollo astronauts actually walking moonsuit butt naked on that
moon of ours is good enough, even if it comes by way of other
rusemasters trying to pull off whatever can suggest that we'd walked
on that dusty old moon with our unfiltered optics and Kodak film that

was somehow rad-hard and otherwise immune to such raw UV or even UV


secondary/recoil photons, and otherwise simply couldn't notice or much
less record Venus.

It'll be downright interesting as to a head count and ID of those
attending this Enterprise Mission news event. I wonder what sort of
obscure back page of which newspaper or publication it'll get reported
upon? (perhaps Play Boy or LeapFrog will run something in pop-up

format).
- Brad Guth -

Hagar

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"John "C"" <hones...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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Must be the stream that runs through the park where PedoDeco hangs out,
soliciting BJs.


John "C"

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"Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message
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Could be, however "Bob for knobs" did let it slip that he lives in the San
Francisco Bay area discussing the recent quake. As Bert would say "it all
fits": Knobs ~~~>Bob's mouth!

C.H.J.


SHOOTER586

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Oct 31, 2007, 4:37:10 PM10/31/07
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> - Brad Guth -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for not answering my question. I says a lot aobut what you
believe (faith) and what you can't explain (fact).

That is all.

BradGuth

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Oct 31, 2007, 5:25:03 PM10/31/07
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SHOOTER586:

> > Isn't Hoagland the moron that thought the "face on Mars" proved a
> > civilization lived there? Then we find out it was just a rock and a
> > shadow? No wonder he gets laughed at by NASA.

I agree, that Hoagland's observationology needs a little polish, but
then he believes we've walked on the moon. Go figure, as to how
totally snookered and thus easily dumbfounded past the point of no
return that some folks really are. How about yourself? (got brain?)
- Brad Guth -

Hagar

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"John "C"" <hones...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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You are correct, I read that exchange as well. He must go trolling for
"knobbies" in the San Francisco Castro district during his time off ....


samv...@gmail.com

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Oct 31, 2007, 5:42:20 PM10/31/07
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Brad, I admire people like yourself! You're really on top of stuff!
I'm assuming you're familiar with coast to cast interviews of Richard
C H?
If not I strongly recommend.

Here is the link (to the reality): http://youtube.com/profile_videos?p=r&user=theduderinok&page=3

Much peace

John "C"

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"Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message
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ICK! <plops Alka-Seltzer> takes nap to settle stomach.


rhw007

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Oct 31, 2007, 8:00:25 PM10/31/07
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On Oct 31, 2:14 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to our XNASA "Enterprise Mission" wizards and author of
> "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA", our moon needs to be re-
> explored in much greater detail, of which I'd have to full agree with
> that analogy, but not for the same reasons as having been suggested by
> NASA's very own weird kind of disinformation/infowar spewing
> rusemasters that are indirectly supporting everything NASA/Apollo, as
> though it's the one and only whole truth and nothing but the truth, so
> help them via whatever faith-based God is putting our hard earned loot
> into their offshore bank accounts.
>

Ken Johnston is NOT a "rusemaster" but a true HERO who bucked the
system and disobeyed a direct order to destroy Apollo original
negatives rather that what SHOULD have been and preserved them for
history and only....are they being digitized for the web...because
NASA KNEW this book was "coming out" and wanted to get on the 'front
side' of this issue...sorta like they are backtracking heavily from
squashing their own AirSafety Report about FAA and AirSpace Safety.

If one would do RESEARCH on things one would KNOW this...and be an
INFORMED commentor.

For EVERYONE's edification and enlightement the "Save the Apollo
Images" 'movement' was started by Keith Laney:

http://keithlaney.net/project_free_the_apollo_images.htm

And because of his and his friends continued support through the
years..it is FINALLY coming into fruition...partially because Ken
Johnston is releasing the knowledge that NASA told him to destroy a
set and he did not and is NOW saying so and is freely sharing them
with Researchers.

You can see the beginning of that effort here:

http://apollo.sese.asu.edu/

And if you want to know MORE about Ken Johnston see their blog for
FACTS :

http://darkmission.blogspot.com/

-snip-


> It'll be downright interesting as to a head count and ID of those
> attending this Enterprise Mission news event. I wonder what sort of
> obscure back page of which newspaper or publication it'll get reported
> upon? (perhaps Play Boy or LeapFrog will run something in pop-up
> format).
> - Brad Guth -

Then Brad I suggest you wait for REAL NEWS about the event from the
people who put it on...or can you contact someone who WAS there rather
than pull some number of 124 out the air. Where are your FACTS for
that number? Who said it...got a photo from the event to back up that
claim?

Again...RESEARCH counts....where's yours?

If there's nothing to hide...why hide the information, objects or gag
people or documents?

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Don't make promises and policies you don't intend to keep and to keep
the policies and promises you do make.

ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgment of character.

It REALLY is that simple.

Bob... :D
http://www.commonsensecentral.net

BradGuth

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I've heard C2C, as well as having heard the likes of what RCH had to
say, which is quite interesting stuff and for the most part I'd tend
to go along with a good number of his mindset items, except for
anything having to do with our frail DNA taking any moonsuit EVA walks
on that nasty moon of ours.

The observationology of what Venus has to offer is actually much
better off than it's given credit, and it's certainly a whole lot more
ETI worthy than anything we've interpreted about our moon or Mars
combined.

RCH has some perfectly good observationology, although a few too many
holes seem to exist in his all-inclusive physics of what it takes in
order for whatever intelligent other life to exist/coexist on another
planet or moon, especially as old and as cold as Mars, or worse yet
being our naked moon. Of course, once upon a time our moon was
perhaps an icy orb of 4000 km, and Mars still had a substantial moon,
some geothermal core energy and a little magnetosphere helping to
protect its relatively thin atmosphere and mostly fresh water
environment (Mars seems to be rather salt deficient).

I have a good set of physics and science supported notions for the icy
proto-moon theory/analogy, of our moon having once provided a safe
interstellar transport for the likes of our DNA and multiple other
forms of complex life. What we need is darn good supercomputer of 3D
interactive orbital mechanics as based upon the regular laws of
physics, plus a set of robust robotics as deployed upon and/or
implanted within our moon.

What we don't need is anything NASA/Apollo or otherwise faith-based
getting in our way.
- Brad Guth -

BradGuth

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Oct 31, 2007, 8:48:47 PM10/31/07
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According to our X-NASA "Enterprise Mission" wizards and author of

"Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA", our moon needs to be re-
explored in much greater detail, of which I'd have to full agree with
that analogy, but not for the same reasons as having been suggested by
NASA's very own weird kind of disinformation/infowar spewing
rusemasters that are indirectly supporting everything NASA/Apollo, as
though it's the one and only whole truth and nothing but the truth, so
help them via whatever faith-based God is putting our hard earned loot
into their offshore bank accounts.

According to our "Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet(Tom)" as


having reported upon yet another Enterprise Mission infomercial event
as having a head count of 124. At that rather pathetic turnout, I
supposed that kind of infomercial press exposure event as held within

the little 550 sf "Zenger Room" cost them at the very least a good

There's actually some extremely weird stuff as having been robotic


photographed from orbit that's entirely believable as being somewhat
artificial looking, and otherwise just plain old naturally weird about
our physically dark and nasty moon that's oddly somewhat salty, as

well as highly electrostatic charged and always saturated in gamma,
plus double IR roasting to death by day of having those pesky X-rays
to deal with.

In all possible fairness, there may have been those lunar transported
ETs, as of once upon a time situated onboard our interstellar
migrating icy proto-moon, wheeas that's technically doable for the
likes of accommodating our frail DNA having to survive such an exposed
trek. A thick layer of ice not only makes a perfectly terrific
thermal insulator, but it's also going to function darn good on behalf
of cosmic radiation shielding (a whole lot better off than any
combined terrestrial atmosphere and magnetosphere worth of Van Allen
bets can accommodate, as well as such ice [especially if it's made
extra cold and thus of hard salty ice] being rather nicely impact
resistant).

This following press event should have been well enough over by now,
with at the very least some viable info along with one or more of
those supposed taboo (aka never seen before) NASA/Apollo images that
we've never before had access to, as for those images getting usenet
posted for the first time by at least one honest soul. I wonder
what's taking so long? (or didn't anyone of investigative importance
bother to show up?)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/f326915ff445ad01/85a4f5446390fdcc#85a4f5446390fdcc

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/666efb808ae30256/557f86034fb4b63a#557f86034fb4b63a

I have no personal doubts as to the possibility of there having been
"ancient artificial ruins and technology on the Moon", as discovered
by our orbiting Apollo robotics (though not as directly recorded via

Apollo astronauts) and perhaps as such having been legally classified
under the 1958 Space Act by NASA for the past 40+ years.

As to the demonstration and analyzing one of those supposed secret
technologies retrieved by the Apollo crews, relating to the artificial
control of gravity, is entirely proof positive of the ongoing ruse/

sting nature of this forever hocus-pocus fiasco, of the silly hype


worth of infowar/infomercial spewing that's at the very disinformation
root of most all things NASA and pretend-atheists at the same time.

There is simply no possible way that Ken or Richard are actually rogue


agents working outside of MI5/NSA/CIA~NASA orchestration or

moderation, and still alive to be sharing such supposed secrets (far


less crimes would get such folks put into our secret prisons and if
need be waterboarded to death without so much as any speck of due

process). I would believe that it does our NASA much good having such
a insider ruse/sting ongoing, because it only makes everything else


NASA look all that more believable. However, if this press event
brings further attention to our physically dark and somewhat salty old
moon that's always saturated in gamma, plus especially X-ray and
double IR nasty by day, then so be it.

BTW, you folks do recall what happened to that certain other original


NASA safety engineer whistleblower and of his entire family, don't

you? (wouldn't that happen again if there was any such disclosed
truths about our moon to behold, especially if such information didn't
fully cover our NASA/Apollo butts)

Not only did those pesky MIB manage to arrange that rather unfortunate


encounter with a locomotive, but also having scrubbed out his entire
safety report, as well as that of his field office and most of

everything else got scrubbed off the face of Earth, almost like that
safety engineer had never existed.

Perhaps something similar would happen to Dr. Ken Johnston. (does Ken


Johnston have a reliable posse that's packing heat?) Or, is this

simply another pretend sort of whistleblower ruse kind of thing that


our government and NASA are really good at pulling off. (at least if I

were NASA, it's exactly what kind of stealth insider damage-control
hype that I'd be doing and/or allowing right about now)

It seems as though anything that further supports the notions of our
NASA/Apollo astronauts actually walking moonsuit butt naked on that

physically dark moon of ours is good enough, even if it comes by way
of other X-NASA rusemasters trying to pull off whatever can suggest


that we'd walked on that dusty old moon with our unfiltered optics and

Kodak film that was somehow rad-hard enough and otherwise immune to


such raw UV or even UV secondary/recoil photons, and otherwise simply

couldn't have noticed or much less having recorded Venus.

It'll be downright interesting as to a head count and ID of those
attending this Enterprise Mission news event. I wonder what sort of

obscure back page of which off beat newspaper or publication it'll
eventually get reported upon? (perhaps Play Boy or LeapFrog will run

BradGuth

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On Oct 31, 4:00 pm, rhw007 <rhw...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 2:14 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > According to our XNASA "Enterprise Mission" wizards and author of
> > "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA", our moon needs to be re-
> > explored in much greater detail, of which I'd have to full agree with
> > that analogy, but not for the same reasons as having been suggested by
> > NASA's very own weird kind of disinformation/infowar spewing
> > rusemasters that are indirectly supporting everything NASA/Apollo, as
> > though it's the one and only whole truth and nothing but the truth, so
> > help them via whatever faith-based God is putting our hard earned loot
> > into their offshore bank accounts.
>
> Ken Johnston is NOT a "rusemaster" but a true HERO who bucked the
> system and disobeyed a direct order to destroy Apollo original
> negatives rather that what SHOULD have been and preserved them for
> history and only....are they being digitized for the web...because
> NASA KNEW this book was "coming out" and wanted to get on the 'front
> side' of this issue...sorta like they are backtracking heavily from
> squashing their own AirSafety Report about FAA and AirSpace Safety.

But there are no such original NASA/Apollo negatives or original
slides of film that ever spent an EVA minute on that nasty surface of
our anticathode worthy moon. Images as obtained from a robotic
orbiting camera are all that's available, and for the most part that's
still not of the original film.

Thanks for all that constructive feedback. I'll put it to good work
and report back.

BTW, I hide nothing, and I'm not the least bit all-knowing nor am I
some kind of rusemaster/wizard that pulls stuff out of thin air.

The actions I'd like to take have been posted and unchanged for the
past 7+ years, but unlike so many others, I can't do everything all by
myself. Would you like to help?
- Brad Guth -

Dale Carlson

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In today's blog section of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer:

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/thebigblog/archives/124818.asp


Lunar cities made of glass?

Could it be that NASA has known of strange cities on the moon- or
what remains of them- and has kept mum on them?

Could be.

Pravda (yeah, yeah "The Truth") reports:

The former manager of the Data and Photo Control Department at NASA's
Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar Program, Ken
Johnston, has released quite a number of sensational statements
recently in the USA. The specialist said that U.S. astronauts found
ancient ruins of artificial origin and a previously unknown technology
to control gravitation when they landed on the Moon. Astronauts took
pictures of the objects that they found, but NASA ordered Johnston to
destroy the images. Johnston did not follow the order. He said that
the U.S. government had been keeping this information a secret for 40
years. ...

The low quality pictures included in the book depict ruins of
buildings, huge dome-like objects made of glass, stone towers and
castles hanging in the air.

Well, if nothing else, these things sound at least architecturally
interesting, in a Jetsons sort of way ...

rhw007

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On Oct 31, 10:02 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But there are no such original NASA/Apollo negatives or original
> slides of film that ever spent an EVA minute on that nasty surface of
> our anticathode worthy moon. Images as obtained from a robotic
> orbiting camera are all that's available, and for the most part that's
> still not of the original film.
>
> <snip>

>
> Thanks for all that constructive feedback. I'll put it to good work
> and report back.
>
> BTW, I hide nothing, and I'm not the least bit all-knowing nor am I
> some kind of rusemaster/wizard that pulls stuff out of thin air.
>
> The actions I'd like to take have been posted and unchanged for the
> past 7+ years, but unlike so many others, I can't do everything all by
> myself. Would you like to help?
> - Brad Guth --

I'm busy enough right now trying to steer MY Life into a direction
where I can help bring about a collaboration of people to get
Earthlings back on "The Golden Path" it once was on.

If you don't believe...for whatever reasons...that Neil Armstrong and
all the other Astronauts did NOT walk on the Moon in actuallity...then
I doubt you and I could agree on much concerning the Moon...much less
Mars.

As for SPACE itself...you mau have ideas similar to mine and my
friends...there are many aspects to ALL research into the Universe and
into simply being able to be aware...I am ME.

Check out the links and read the REAL history of the NASA photographs,
both of the Moon and Mars...besides so many others like 'Slinky;s"
coming from the Sun. Sun storms that twirl into DNA lime helixes
spreading millions of miles into space...so many things do NOT fit
into a "mainstream science/news/media/gov" tidy little box with
perfect rules for every situation and entity.

We'll see as we move forward....heartbeat by heartbeat.

Bob...:D
http://commonsensecentral.net/

BradGuth

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On Oct 31, 10:52 pm, rhw007 <rhw...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 10:02 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > But there are no such original NASA/Apollo negatives or original
> > slides of film that ever spent an EVA minute on that nasty surface of
> > our anticathode worthy moon. Images as obtained from a robotic
> > orbiting camera are all that's available, and for the most part that's
> > still not of the original film.
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Thanks for all that constructive feedback. I'll put it to good work
> > and report back.
>
> > BTW, I hide nothing, and I'm not the least bit all-knowing nor am I
> > some kind of rusemaster/wizard that pulls stuff out of thin air.
>
> > The actions I'd like to take have been posted and unchanged for the
> > past 7+ years, but unlike so many others, I can't do everything all by
> > myself. Would you like to help?
> > - Brad Guth --
>
> I'm busy enough right now trying to steer MY Life into a direction
> where I can help bring about a collaboration of people to get
> Earthlings back on "The Golden Path" it once was on.

Good luck on that one. Can I do anything more to help?

>
> If you don't believe...for whatever reasons...that Neil Armstrong and
> all the other Astronauts did NOT walk on the Moon in actuallity...then
> I doubt you and I could agree on much concerning the Moon...much less
> Mars.

Obviously you still think our frail human DNA is sufficiently robust
and/or rad-hard enough for Mars because of the ruse/sting of infowar/
infomercial disinformation that you've accepted as NASA/Apollo truth
regarding our naked, physically dark and unavoidably anticathode moon,
as being humanly survivable as is. Sorry, I can't help you with that
one.

>
> As for SPACE itself...you mau have ideas similar to mine and my
> friends...there are many aspects to ALL research into the Universe and
> into simply being able to be aware...I am ME.
>
> Check out the links and read the REAL history of the NASA photographs,
> both of the Moon and Mars...besides so many others like 'Slinky;s"
> coming from the Sun. Sun storms that twirl into DNA lime helixes
> spreading millions of miles into space...so many things do NOT fit
> into a "mainstream science/news/media/gov" tidy little box with
> perfect rules for every situation and entity.
>
> We'll see as we move forward....heartbeat by heartbeat.
>
> Bob...:Dhttp://commonsensecentral.net/

I tend to agree with your closing analogy.

The problem is, with our very own faith-based Yiddish puppet as our
born-again resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) taking us ever closer to
WWIII, we may not have the time or the necessary resources in order to
accomplish much of anything other than a given best personal effort on
behalf of saving ourselves from our own kind.

Even with all the necessary time and unlimited resources provided via
Earth and our hard earned loot, Mars is not exactly a good option,
unless surviving mostly underground and otherwise upon mostly of
whatever is brought from Earth (aka energy, beer, pizza and units of
your banked bone marrow) is what you silly Mars or bust kind of folks
had in your mindset.
- Brad Guth -

rhw007

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> - Brad Guth --

And I tend to agree with your last analogy as well. :D
I got this email from Richard sent this morning and sorry about delay

But only come on-line about 7-8 PM EST..anyhoo
RCH:

Robert,

Still on the road in DC. Many significant developments "behind the

scenes" after the press club event. Will make a full report soon,
as

sson as we return home -- tomorrow.

One day there .. then we head for LA, and the "big weekend." Will be

doing more important political stuff there.

Will be back for more time to report on ALL developments next week.

Until then ... stay tuned. :)

Pass it on ....


RCH
-----

amd Keith Laney gets thanx for these links:

http://newsfromrussia.com/science/mysteries/31-10-2007/99895-moon-0

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/10/08/01870.html

for AFTER event coverage he found.

and these links for BEFORE event coverage:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?

ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-22-2007/0004687165&EDATE=

http://tinyurl.com/36p3r9


http://preview.tinyurl.com/36p3r9

http://www.sys-con.com/read/450055.htm

Thanx Kieth :D

We ALL would wish 'acknowledgement' of things we think we found
first. I know my 'claim' to be the first to post "The Cydonia Smoking
Pyramid" at about 1:45 PM April 14, 1998 at my CCC webiste...THEN
CommonSenseCentral.COM ( which still irks me I cant get it back ) RCH
still used it on his website without credit to me...I'm not personally
in a huff.

The pursuit of knowledge and the 'stealing' if 'some' want to call it
that...goes first back to NASA as someone...now I can't remember who
said that in this thread that we CYDONISTAS were TALKING and SHOWING
IMAGES of Water WELL before Dr Mikey Malin had Dr. Kenny Edget "drag
him kicking and screaming" to acknowledge water in an image I posted
baacl in 1999 :

http://commonsensecentral.net/mars_recent/msss_7707rel_seepage_real_water.gif

>From this page:

http://commonsensecentral.net/mars_recent/mars_1999_news.htm

So for "JUSTICE" should I take Dr. Mikey and Dr. Kenny to Judge
Judy ????

Or maybe file another FOIA with NASA...

Now that I drifted way way way off topic you think HEH?

The following I have been saying a loooooong time applies to NASA
getting 'caught' squelching and hiddding or misrepresenting data that
it surprises me people are surprised that NASA does this. Well of
course people like Oberg and unfortunately too many others
"believe"...they've taken too many sips from the same tea that Dark
Lord Cheney is handing out these days....though the State Department
Beaurocrats seems a bit upset these days....wonder why if the BRUTAL
TRUTHS are being told?

If there's nothing to hide...why hide the information, objects or gag
people or documents?

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Don't make promises and policies you don't intend to keep and to keep
the policies and promises you do make.

ACTIONS speak louder than words.

ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.

ACTIONS are the final judgment of character.

It REALLY is that simple.

Bob...

http://www.commonsensecentral.net

http://commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cydonia_Smoking_Room/messages


Scott Hedrick

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For Brad's benefit, since he has a hard time telling the difference:

Venus Maps:
http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/PlanetaryMapping/DIGGEOL/venus.htm

Mars Maps:
http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/PlanetaryMapping/DIGGEOL/mars.htm

Here's where two possible images of Mars can be found:
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_Rq9JzytHbbgAL0ejzbkF/SIG=12i7ap08d/EXP=1194139849/**http%3A//maine.rr.com/around_town/features2002/portlandmag/pizza;
the first image could be a partially-terraformed Mars, and the lower a more
current view. Or it could be a possible image of Io. YMMV.


BradGuth

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>
> - Show quoted text -

Do those laws of physics work entirely diifferently off-world?

As if so, then we have a whole new planetology game plan, especially
if the near vacuum likes of that Mars environment could allow for such
free standing fresh water or even as regular h2o ice to coexist upon
Mars without any possible remote science instrument detections
whatsoever.
- Brad Guth -

BradGuth

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Our moon has "air" to hang in? Perhaps a thin sodium and argon
atmosphere, along with a near surface gas of Radon by day and of
liquid Radon(LRn222) by night.

>
> Well, if nothing else, these things sound at least architecturally
> interesting, in a Jetsons sort of way ...

I agree, that such items may be just a little too weird for natural
planetology to have formulated such nifty geometric shapes without
some level of ETI, which also means that our physically dark and still
somewhat salty old moon was not all that likely made of Earth to begin

Michael Gallagher

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:02:41 -0500, "Revision" <ttsr...@nojunkr.net>
wrote:

>
>Hoagland is IMO a mental case, and uses his dimentia to sell books.
>

His book on the face on Mars had one intersting point (or so I thought
at the time): That for some reason, JPL denied having a second
picture of it. But the rest of it was a lot of wishful thinking. The
epilogue where a robot is wandering through an alien facility inside
one of the pyramids seemed a stretch. And then of course, we got more
detailed pictures of it, so that took the bloom off the rose.
Obviously, Hoagland thinks the conspiracy is still afoot. So what? I
don't see why anyone here should care what he says or where or why.

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SHOOTER586 <shoot...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Oct 30, 4:41 pm, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
>> Jim Oberg wrote:
>> >http://npc.press.org/calendar/caldbevent.cfm?eventid=14033
>>
>> CNN newswoman:http://www.enterprisemission.com/NPC2007.htm
>> Anyone found a transcript of what they said at the press conference yet?
>> They don't seem to have on at Enterprise Mission yet.
>> (I went to their website...they are completely off their rockers over
>> there. :-D )
>>
>> Pat
>

>Isn't Hoagland the moron that thought the "face on Mars" proved a
>civilization lived there? Then we find out it was just a rock and a
>shadow? No wonder he gets laughed at by NASA.

Correct. He also found left-over WWII Wehrmacht howitzers among the
rocks visited by the Mars rovers:

<http://www.enterprisemission.com/pasadena2.html>

Astounding, isn't it?

--
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:53:11 -0500, "Jim Oberg" <job...@houston.rr.com>
wrote:

> NASA Cover-Ups Continue

NASA needs to fess up that it is now a fraudulent, privately controlled
company who is doing the bidding of the Rothschilds (who are scientifically
ignorant, intellectually retarded and morally bankrupt). And that the NASA
Rothschild handlers are responsible for all of the conspiracy theories which
are coving up their ineptitude. (read: Hoagland, who is a fraud, paid by
NASA to obfuscate truth)

NASA can't even find a ride to the space station without the Russians.

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george

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On Nov 4, 7:57 am, www.freedomtofascism.com <tr...@r.us> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:53:11 -0500, "Jim Oberg" <job...@houston.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > NASA Cover-Ups Continue
>
> NASA needs to fess up that it is now a fraudulent, privately controlled
> company who is doing the bidding of the Rothschilds (who are scientifically
> ignorant, intellectually retarded and morally bankrupt). And that the NASA
> Rothschild handlers are responsible for all of the conspiracy theories which
> are coving up their ineptitude. (read: Hoagland, who is a fraud, paid by
> NASA to obfuscate truth)
>
> NASA can't even find a ride to the space station without the Russians.

And the Russians wouldn't be there without the heavy lift Shuttle that
lifted all the components into orbit.

It's called cooperation

Pat Flannery

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george wrote:
> And the Russians wouldn't be there without the heavy lift Shuttle that
> lifted all the components into orbit.
>

Not all the components - some went up on Russian Proton rockets.

Pat

Nomen Nescio

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First communications satellite! The first living human being
in low-earth orbit! Those "evil" Communists (sinners are evil,
thus who isn't?) gave ol' USA a run for their money. Speaking
of which, *who* demonized Communism, some "pinko hippie fags"?
And who demonized "Judeo-Bolshevism", ring any bells? In fact,
it sounds VERY MUCH like "Islamo-Fascism". Achtung! Sieg Heil!
Let us kill all the Muslims! Those evil Muslims! Let's set up
internment camps in third-world shitholes and tell the public
that the worst thing we do to the evil Muslims is "waterboard"
them to death! And let's appoint Chancellor Bush President in
2000. And let's have a 9/11 Reichstag Fire in 2001. And let's
prop up a "communist-supporting" strawman, "Hanoi" John Kerry,
(a fellow Skull & Bones) to get our blood-for-oil-man elected,
(_not_ re-elected) in 2004. I know, we'll have our "terrorist"
Usama Bin CIAden chime in with a Michael Moore rip-off Friday
preceding the election, just to be on the safe side. And let's
declare a global "war on terror" like our buddy Adolf did back
in the 1930s. Our oil-man is already supreme Commander of the
military, so let's expand our military invasions into foreign
countries, all unprovoked. Iraq! Iran! Tomorrow THE WORLD! Our
glorious Motherland shall reign over the oil fields and slave-
laborers and shopping malls of the earth for a thousand years.
And let's have our bought-and-paid-for SCOTUS/Congress-cabinet
proclaim the presidency dormant, rather than hold new elections.
Hell, who wants Abortionists Billary Clinton / Mafioso Giuliani
for a president? And let's declare Judeo-Christianity terrorism,
and let's ban the Holy Bible, because it is a terrorist training
manual. And let's make everyone bow down and worship our molten
calf. And let's ("I could be wrong now, but I don't think so!")...

No one can deny that the U.S. Government (JPL/NASA ad nauseam),
calls their low-earth orbit joyriders "astronauts". The term
"space administration" suggests they're administering *SPACE*!
You know, if they can see it with their Hubble space telescope,
they created it, they own it, and they are "administering" it!
(Speaking of delusions of grandeur, how about their "big bang
theory"? "In the beginning, Atheists created the heaven and the
earth, and all the Christians were inane and vacuous, and all
aborted babies were brain-dead morons..."--Atheist Genesis 1:1)

I don't believe that low-earth orbiters qualify as astronauts.
I think "aeronaut" is more befitting, measuring in near-earth
altitude above sea level. And every time they show video from
their zillion-dollar "space station", a big fisheye lens kicks
in, making it appear as if they are maybe 500 miles above sea-
level, when in reality they're not even half that high up off
the *ground* -- 220 miles? Hell, that's a three-hour drive on
the open highway! NASA is like the old USAF "Project Bluebook"
for the unwary masses. I've learned not to believe *ANYTHING*
the government says in public...like that old gameshow, "it's
not what you say, it's what You Don't Say". That's government!

I remember reading somewhere, that a researcher dug up old
photos of one of their Area51 shoots (w/ Kubrick?) showing
one of NASA's drunken astronaughts slugging down shots from
of a fifth of Jack Daniels! The one that really did it for
me was when another one of their terrestrial astro-naughts
(might've been the same actor?) looks up and points at the
bright spotlight and says "Look, the sun looks just like a
giant spotlight!" I was ROTFLOL all day after that zinger!
When we heard about their astronaughts getting plowed before
lift-off, I knew it had to be true. And who can blame them?
That's gotta be unnerving, getting all suited up like that,
then climbing into one of those _antique_ rust-buckets with
over two thousand TONS of solid rocket fuel under your ass!
And then they have to worry about tiles falling off the damn
thing before reentry, or springing a leak, or whatever the
hell else Murphy's Law has to offer. Make it a single malt!

Nearly *four decades* have elapsed since 1969, thirty-five
years since 1972. The Apollo missions were all unmanned as
the evidence shows. A mere few hundred miles above sealevel
is as far above Earth's surface that JPL/NASA's "horseless"
carriages have ever been. Every "manned" moon landing back
in covered-wagon times was nothing but cold-war propaganda
for the unsuspecting masses...as the evidence demonstrates.

It's a proven fact NASA's six allegedly-manned half-million
miles per round-trip(!) missions to the Moon (1969-72) were
at best unmanned flights in competition with the U.S.S.R.'s
contemporaneous Soviet Luna/Lunakhod unmanned Moon missions.
"They couldn't make it so they faked it." Thus, the "manned"
portions of the missions were actually filmed under the top-
secret, heavily-guarded domed soundstages in the high desert
of Area 51, NV, perhaps around Pine Gap, AUS and maybe other
remote and publicly-inaccessible locations around the world.

Flags fluttering in the high-desert breeze, sand
buggies & actors running along in their deflated
monkeysuits-obviously recorded on highspeed film,
conspicuous absence of blast craters, impossibly
silent running under invisible exhaust emissions,
brazenly obvious backdrops which contrast sharply
against the nearby high-desert terrain ad nauseam

The Moon is far beyond the reach of manned spacecraft, to wit:

ALTITUDE COMPARISON CHART
SHUTTLE VS. MOON & MANMADE SATELLITES
(not to scale)

x------Moon's mean geocentric distance ~239,000 miles---x
| |
| |
| |
| |
~ ~214,000 MILES ~
~ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ~
| |
| |
| |
x------High-altitude orbit ~25,000+ miles altitude------x
| |
x------Geostationary orbit ~22,300 miles altitude-------x
| |
| |
~ ~10,000 MILES ~
~ ~
| |
x------Mid-altitude orbit ~12,500 miles altitude--------x
| |
| |
~ ~10,000 MILES ~
~ ~
| |
x------Low-altitude orbit below ~1200 miles altitude----x
x------JPL/NASA Space Shuttle orbit ~300 miles altitude-x
x------Intl. Space Station orbit ~220 miles altitude |
x------Earth's sea level -0- miles altitude-------------x


To give you an idea of the scale involved, if each hard line
break in the chart below equals roughly 10,000 miles, to wit:

x------Moon's mean geocentric distance ~239,000 miles---x
| 230,000 |
| 220,000 |
| 210,000 |
| 200,000 |
| 190,000 |
| 180,000 |
| 170,000 |
| 160,000 |
| 150,000 |
| 140,000 |
| 130,000 |
| 120,000 |
| 110,000 |
| 100,000 |
| 90,000 |
| 80,000 |
| 70,000 |
| 60,000 |
| 50,000 |
| 40,000 |
| 30,000 |
x------Geostationary orbit ~22,300 miles altitude-------x
x------Mid-altitude orbit ~12,500 miles altitude--------x
x------Low-altitude orbit below ~1200 miles altitude----x

Thus the low-earth shuttle orbit would fit somewhere between
the center and baseline of the bottom 'x'--hardly visible at
all at this scale. And yet, that is the highest altitude any
manned flight has ever successfully sustained for any length
of time. But the "men to the moon" fairytale devotees don't
want to face up to these and other glaring facts in evidence:

*Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI03881...@anonymous.poster

*Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O3750...@Gilgamesh-frog.org

*Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX3749...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
______________________________________________________________

Remember, because this particular evidence regarding the laser
reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
educated cowards who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:

http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
"Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
rover had eight wheels.
"The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
television pictures and scientific data.
Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
and carried an additional television camera. It
travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]

http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
"Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
moving.
The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
laser beam, making it possible to measure the
distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]

http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
"There is an additional high-level TV camera for
panoramic photography, and all lenses have
improved sunshades.
The small silver box between the front wheels is
an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
centimetres.

http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
"the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
a core sample.
On returning to the rest position, the sample is
transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
Earth" [end quote]

Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.

So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
"manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?

By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?

At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
reflectors proves the American space program successfully
sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation.

Dark Skies!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/

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Are you wondering why you're wasting money with something that isn't
working?

rhw007

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>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Do those laws of physics work entirely diifferently off-world?
>
> As if so, then we have a whole new planetology game plan, especially
> if the near vacuum likes of that Mars environment could allow for such
> free standing fresh water or even as regular h2o ice to coexist upon
> Mars without any possible remote science instrument detections
> whatsoever.
> - Brad Guth -- Show quoted text -

Gawd Brad eve Dr Mikey Malin "has come kicking and screaming" into
saying there is "Liquid water flowing over the surface of Mars NOW !!!

Get with the data and RESEARCH your topics folks.

Bob...:D


Quadibloc

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rhw007 wrote:
> Gawd Brad eve Dr Mikey Malin "has come kicking and screaming" into
> saying there is "Liquid water flowing over the surface of Mars NOW !!!

While Brad Guth certainly does say a lot of wild things, I didn't
think there was enough atmospheric pressure for liquid water to flow
on the surface of Mars whenever it got warm enough to melt.

Of course, we know there is ice on Mars - one of its polar caps is
chiefly made of water ice, this was known quite some time ago.

John Savard

BradGuth

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Apparently the laws of physics work differently while on Mars, such as
gamma and X-rays don't harm human DNA any more than any of those
nearly full-speed arriving meteor items of nasty debris doesn't hurt
in the least bit, and so forth. So, just because there's a near
vacuum to deal with, lots of CO2/dry-ice most everywhere by night, and
otherwise damn little if any salt to behold, as then why wouldn't
plain old fresh water be flowing like crazy on Mars? (you got me)

Doesn't the Mars equator/tropics get rather damn cold each night? How
would such extremely frozen to death amounts of such supposed fresh
water ice manage to thaw out so quicky after each frosty sunrise? Is
there something of a cloaked geothermal energy cache that we don't
know about?
- Brad Guth -

Douglas Berry

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On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:57:39 -0500 www.freedomtofascism.com
<tr...@r.us> carved the following into the hard stone of
alt.conspiracy
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:53:11 -0500, "Jim Oberg" <job...@houston.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>> NASA Cover-Ups Continue
>
>NASA needs to fess up that it is now a fraudulent, privately controlled
>company who is doing the bidding of the Rothschilds (who are scientifically
>ignorant, intellectually retarded and morally bankrupt). And that the NASA
>Rothschild handlers are responsible for all of the conspiracy theories which
>are coving up their ineptitude. (read: Hoagland, who is a fraud, paid by
>NASA to obfuscate truth)

NASA is a government agency, and their budget is avaiable for public
review.

http://www.nasa.gov/about/budget/

>NASA can't even find a ride to the space station without the Russians.

So, care to tell me what that thing docked to the ISS is right now?

Hint: It has stubby wings, is white on top, and black on the bottom,
and is named Discovery.
--

Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail

"Where is the prince who can afford so to cover
his country with troops for its defense, as that
ten thousand men descending from the clouds, might
not,in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief
before a force could be brought together to repel
them?" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN-1784

rhw007

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Sheesh you guys I just googled the phrase and came up with this:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/mgs-20061206.html

And this one is only recent there are EARLY reports...

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/ice/water_mars.html

You folks are NOT doing your RESEARCH befor replying.

naughty.

Bob...:D

BradGuth

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In other words, our government that supposedly never lies to us has
uncovered entirely new off-world conditional laws of physics, in order
to further support whatever it takes for keeping the public (us
village idiots and obviously yourself) continually snookered and thus
easily dumbfounded past the point of no return.
- Brad Guth -

rhw007

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> - Brad Guth -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Brad,

I NEVER said did NOT lie.

PLEASE..again...RESEARCH.

http://commonsensecentral.net/

My website above is FULL pf "Questions" which tell of NASA's lies.

They cannot lie ALL the time...but...pretty nearly...or partly lie.

That is why it takes INTENSE RESEARCH and INTEREST in these things to
following the DATA and also into LEARNING HOW to process that data.

Some of that is at my weviste too.

Examples...though you should check out main site for more.

Lies:

http://commonsensecentral.net/2003/July_Cydonia/whosblowingfoofoodust.html

http://commonsensecentral.net/2003/cartoonistofcydonia.htm

http://commonsensecentral.net/open_challenge_to_dr_phil.htm


Processing:

http://commonsensecentral.net/2003/whos_blockies_are_they.htm

http://commonsensecentral.net/2003/doing_qubes.htm


In order to not be "snookered to the point of no return" you MUST
research your subject fully, and repeatedly complain to those same
Politicians, Adminstration officials, Beaurocrats, National, and your
LOCAL media people. Write letters to editors of NY Times, Washington
Post, write the media people who 'buy the lies' and tell them they are
solloing the Adminstrative Kool Aid for a "Jim Jones Disaster: that is
looming ahead of us unless they wake up.

But these 'BBS" and Usenets posts do not get their attention...getting
PERSONALLY involved is the ONLY way to change things.

ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgment of character.

It REALLY is that simple.

Bob... :D
http://www.commonsensecentral.net

BradGuth

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> http://commonsensecentral.net/2003/July_Cydonia/whosblowingfoofoodust...

>
> http://commonsensecentral.net/2003/cartoonistofcydonia.htm
>
> http://commonsensecentral.net/open_challenge_to_dr_phil.htm
>
> Processing:
>
> http://commonsensecentral.net/2003/whos_blockies_are_they.htm
>
> http://commonsensecentral.net/2003/doing_qubes.htm
>
> In order to not be "snookered to the point of no return" you MUST
> research your subject fully, and repeatedly complain to those same
> Politicians, Adminstration officials, Beaurocrats, National, and your
> LOCAL media people. Write letters to editors of NY Times, Washington
> Post, write the media people who 'buy the lies' and tell them they are
> solloing the Adminstrative Kool Aid for a "Jim Jones Disaster: that is
> looming ahead of us unless they wake up.
>
> But these 'BBS" and Usenets posts do not get their attention...getting
> PERSONALLY involved is the ONLY way to change things.
>
> ACTIONS speak louder than words.
> ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
> ACTIONS are the final judgment of character.
>
> It REALLY is that simple.
>
> Bob... :D http://www.commonsensecentral.net

Very good advise, whereas then you can't possibly buy into those fully
fly-by-rocket soft landings and rad-hard moonsuit EVA things, because
there's no such physics nor have we a speck of independently
replicated science that proves or even supports that our Third Reich
team of NASA's Yids were anywhere nearly that good, much less
accepting their having lost most everything of such nifty R&D and
those 700 boxes of mission related data (including our having no
formal science access to all or any of their original film) that
matters the most.

BTW, Mars has been a cold and geothermally inactive sort of dead
planet for millions of years, possibly for hundreds of millions of
years, and it's not getting itself any better with time. If there was
any viable intelligent other life within the last few thousand years
to behold, it would have taken considerable technology in order to
have survived even underground. So, it is not all that impossible,
just highly unlikely, especially without salt.

But why would they have intentionally hidden themselves so well?

I'd say 100+ million years ago was about as minimal survival rated as
Mars having sustained any degree of intelligent life, and of most
microbes being terminated as of the last million years might be nearly
as good as Mars gets.
- Brad Guth -

BradGuth

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BTW, you silly folks do realize that our Google/NOVA wizards are
essentially one in the same mindset as NASA, plus their even sharing
some of the very same infrastructure, don't you?
- Brad Guth -


Michael Gallagher

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On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:57:39 -0500, www.freedomtofascism.com
<tr...@r.us> wrote:

> .... Hoagland, who is a fraud, paid by
>NASA to obfuscate truth....
>

That''s a new one.


>NASA can't even find a ride to the space station without the Russians.

Only because we're working with the Russians on it. Both we and them
are quite good at getting to things in orbit without the other's help.

BradGuth

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On Nov 7, 9:42 am, Michael Gallagher <mikejo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:57:39 -0500,www.freedomtofascism.com
>
> <tr...@r.us> wrote:
> > .... Hoagland, who is a fraud, paid by
> >NASA to obfuscate truth....
>
> That''s a new one.
>
> >NASA can't even find a ride to the space station without the Russians.
>
> Only because we're working with the Russians on it. Both we and them
> are quite good at getting to things in orbit without the other's help.

Just like we'd worked along with Russia for having mutually
perpetrated our decades old and spendy as hell cold-war(s), that has
since improved and migrated itself into Iraq on its way to
traumatising Iran (or taking on most any other Muslim nation that
doesn't yield), and thus WWIII is next.

Russia has nearly always been far better at getting various tonnage
safely and affordably into orbit, or even entirely away from Earth's
gravity, and China is simply not sitting back and taking no for an
answer, as China shouldn't have any problems in passing up the
collective fly-by-rocket expertise of Russia, US/NASA and ESA
combined. In fact, the Bigelow Aerospace configured POOF City at
Venus L2 should also be deployed by China, at perhaps not half the
cost of anything Russia can accommodate.

BTW, Mars has long been a cold and dead sphere of an older than Earth
planetology, as well as oddly w/o salt. (go figure, as if anything it
should have had more salt per its smaller volume)

On Nov 6, 8:44 pm, "NHttas Mother" <NHetta_moth...@yayahoo.com> wrote:
> Venus is hotter than earth while mars is cool.
> So with the current technology or perhaps future
> advancements would greatly aid in inhabiting
> mars first and venus next. I am not against venus
> but just being pratical.

If "being practical", there's no sign of any viable intelligent other
life or the remains thereof on Mars, but there is on Venus.

If "being practical", Mars is not just a wee bit cool, but rather damn
freaking cold as the opposite of hell (especially CO2 dry-ice worthy
by night, even in the Mars tropics), and it's rather obviously so much
further away from us than Venus that gets to within 100 fold as far as
our moon.

If "being practical", Mars as no apparent local energy of most any
kind that could assist even by way of advanced applied technology on
behalf of sustaining us frail humans, whereas Venus offers unlimited
local energy of the 100% local and renewable kind, plus having an
active geothermal planetology as to do whatever with.

If "being practical", Mars at the near vacuum of just 8 mb is perhaps
a forth as gamma and X-ray bad off as our humanly lethal moon, and at
most any time of a given frosty day or sub-frozen to death nighttime
is when your naked spacesuit enclosed butt could easily be summarily
nailed to death by an extremely fast arriving meteorite, whereas the
surrounding acidic upper atmosphere of Venus is rather nicely
protecting our frail DNA as well as our thermal/Ovgolve suit protected
butts by way of it's thick and robust atmosphere.

If "being practical", is clearly where the Venus L2 POOF City could
have been accomplished, as a relatively safe home away from home,
that's just cool enough to being entirely POOF City viable as is.

If "being practical", since we still do not have a viable fly-by-
rocket lander as would be required of our safely doing Mars, or
especially on behalf of our naked moon related missions, whereas Venus
is not only aerodynamically flyable as is, but it's also fully rigid
composite airship worthy, and to think there's even an existing tarmac
to utilize.

If "being practical" about any of this, you'd have to be an absolute
certified moron of a village idiot in order to have not realized the
other 100+ valid reasons of our doing Venus instead of Mars.

BTW, what part or portion of those complex crop circles is
terrestrial, instead of being duh-101 ET?

What part of observationology (the science of honest image
interpreting) do you not quite get?

What laws of physics are you having to distort or outright exclude,
and/or infowar/infomercial imposing of your own kind of evidence
skewing/excluding so that Mars is even remotely favorable over Venus?

What laws of physics and/or from the best available worth of
scientific evidence about our moon is suggesting that it has ever been
walked upon by us humans, as supposedly having "the right stuff"?

Why are so many of you folks into hiding and/or pretending as to who
and/or whom you really are?
- Brad Guth -

www.freedomtofascism.com

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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:42:19 -0500, Michael Gallagher <mike...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Both we and them
>are quite good at getting to things in orbit without the other's help.


If you figure out a way to harness the power of hubris, you'll be able to
travel to the next galaxy on nothing more than a few bits of propaganda

BradGuth

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On Nov 7, 5:57 am, www.freedomtofascism.com <tr...@r.us> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:42:19 -0500, Michael Gallagher <mikejo...@yahoo.com>

> wrote:
>
> > Both we and them
> >are quite good at getting to things in orbit without the other's help.
>
> If you figure out a way to harness the power of hubris, you'll be able to
> travel to the next galaxy on nothing more than a few bits of propaganda

Infowar/infomercials of disinformation works most all the time,
whereas one lie that begets another and another is obviously worth a
whole lot more than a thousand words of truth.
--
Brad Guth

www.freedomtofascism.com

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Do you really need a slave living in surfdom to tell you that a road of lies
only leads to one destination?

You ARE what you think.

BradGuth

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On Nov 8, 4:45 pm, www.freedomtofascism.com <tr...@r.us> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:24:16 -0000, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 7, 5:57 am,www.freedomtofascism.com<tr...@r.us> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:42:19 -0500, Michael Gallagher <mikejo...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Both we and them
> >> >are quite good at getting to things in orbit without the other's help.
>
> >> If you figure out a way to harness the power of hubris, you'll be able to
> >> travel to the next galaxy on nothing more than a few bits of propaganda
>
> >Infowar/infomercials of disinformation works most all the time,
> >whereas one lie that begets another and another is obviously worth a
> >whole lot more than a thousand words of truth.
>
> Do you really need a slave living in surfdom to tell you that a road of lies
> only leads to one destination?
>
> You ARE what you think.

Most Americans that are snookered and/or dumbfounded past the point of
no return, typically use their faith-based cultivated denial of their
denial, and never so much as a speck of remose gets in their way.
--
Brad Guth -

Michael Gallagher

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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:57:29 -0500, www.freedomtofascism.com
<tr...@r.us> wrote:

>If you figure out a way to harness the power of hubris, you'll be able to
>travel to the next galaxy on nothing more than a few bits of propaganda

The shuttle docked with who knows how many satellites without any help
from the Russians; and the Soviets assembled and docked with a half a
dozen space stations before we started flying shuttles to Mir in the
years before we started building the ISS. Don't believe me? Look it
up.

Michael Gallagher

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At the risk of being killfiled again ....

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:09:06 -0000, BradGuth <brad...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ..... since we still do not have a viable fly-by-
>rocket lander.....

The scientists and engineers who worked on Viking would be very
surprised to hear that; it used rockets for the final stage of
descent.

Everything else since has used a combination of parachutes, retros,
and air bags. The polar lander looks like it may use rockets, though.

www.freedomtofascism.com

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:14:15 -0500, Michael Gallagher <mike...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>The scientists and engineers who worked

Emphasis on the past tense. What precisely are you going to pay those
scientists and engineers with, eh? None of them can afford to buy a home.

How long before it costs them more to get to work than the salaries they
make?

That's a rhetorical question, chumpley. They're there right now.

www.freedomtofascism.com

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:14:14 -0500, Michael Gallagher <mike...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Don't believe me?

The question is, do you believe your own propaganda.

BradGuth

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On Nov 9, 9:14 am, Michael Gallagher <mikejo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At the risk of being killfiled again ....
>
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:09:06 -0000, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> > ..... since we still do not have a viable fly-by-
> >rocket lander.....
>
> The scientists and engineers who worked on Viking would be very
> surprised to hear that; it used rockets for the final stage of
> descent.
>
> Everything else since has used a combination of parachutes, retros,
> and air bags. The polar lander looks like it may use rockets, though.

OK, and any of that has exactly what to do with having safely soft-
landed our human DNA as for walking, talking and the taking of all
those unfiltered Kodak moments for hours on end, while having been
safely sutuated upon our naked and thus unavoidably reactive/
anticathode worthy moon?

A controlled down-range capable form of a fully fly-by-rocket lander
simply doesn't quite exist, at least not as of anything you'd dare
take any such ride all the way down onto our moon, as to survive that
kind of mission well enough for getting yourself safely back home.
And yet you silly folks suggest that 40 years ago all was so much
better advanced, more fue/energy efficient and otherwise more
reliable. (you've got to be kidding)
--
Brad Guth

BradGuth

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On Oct 30, 4:53 am, "Jim Oberg" <job...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> http://npc.press.org/calendar/caldbevent.cfm?eventid=14033
>
> Event Date:
> Oct. 30, 2007
>
> Event Name:
> NASA Cover-Ups Continue
>
> Event Type:
> News Conference
>
> Time:
> 9:00 AM
>
> Sponsored by:
> Enterprise Mission
>
> Event Location:
> Zenger Room
>
> Details:
> Fired NASA Whistleblower to Reveal New Apollo Secrets Kept Classified
> by Space Agency for Over 40 Years.
>
> Dr. Ken Johnston, former Manager of the Data and Photo Control
> Division at NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar
> Exploration Effort in the 1970's, was abruptly terminated Tuesday morning,
> October 23rd, from NASA's prestigious "Solar System Ambassador" (SSA)
> Program at JPL. The firing was direct reprisal for Johnston's published
> account in a New York Times Best Seller, "Dark Mission: the Secret History
> of NASA," of how NASA ordered him, 40 years ago, to destroy key Apollo lunar
> images and data -- rather than allow them to be preserved for academic study
> and public view. Johnston will testify at an Enterprise Mission sponsored
> National Press Club news conference this Tuesday, October 30th (Zenger Room,
> 9:00 AM) , how he disobeyed these NASA orders, secretly preserving the
> critical Apollo images. Johnston will then show some of the "missing" Apollo
> frames -- which confirm the existence of long-rumored "ancient artificial
> ruins and technology on the Moon," discovered by the Apollo astronauts but
> legally classified under the 1958 Space Act by NASA for over 40 years.
>
> Johnston will be joined by Richard C. Hoagland, former NASA consultant
> and CBS News Science Science Advisor during the Apollo lunar missions.
> Hoagland is coauthor of "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA," and head
> of The Enterprise Mission. Hoagland will present an imaging analysis of
> Johnston's 40-year-old rescued Apollo images, comparing them to modern
> versions apparently currently being "leaked" by other "whistleblowers" on
> official NASA websites. He will also demonstrate and analyze one of the
> secret technologies retrieved by the Apollo crews, relating to the
> artificial control of gravity.
>
> Contact: Mike Bara's #310-701-3152


The book "Dark Mission" is actually a darn good name for most any
lunar kind of mission, and good old Richard C. Hoagland is clearly one
of them pesky insiders that can obviously get away with publishing
almost anything, as long as it supports their NASA/Apollo ongoing ruse/
sting of the century.

As per the Zion Third Reich usual plan of their global domination
action, it seems these incest mutated and otherwise borg like folks of
our NASA/Apollo fuckology are right as rain, as we outsider kind of
village idiots do in fact suffer rather badly from the "specific type
of mental disorder" called the WTANBTTD (whole truth and nothing but
the truth disorder).

Japan First Back To The Moon! / kT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/f38a85929879b6a0

That's absolutely right, however China is not exactly sitting on their
extremely wise old butts, are they.

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/11/20071113_kaguya_e.html

BTW, notice how extremely dark and otherwise somewhat average coal
like 0.11 or actually of a slightly sooty darker kind of soft albedo,
that which our extremely dusty old and electrostatic charged moon
really is, as having been so clearly JAXA/HVTV imaged within the very
same FOV, as well as having been illuminated by the very same raw
solar spectrum that's unavoidably skewed by the excess amount of those
violet and UV photons.

Do we see anything of that naked lunar terrain that's looking the
least bit NASA/Apollo 0.65~0.075 albedo worthy, like a certain guano
island as modified to suit? (silly question, as I didn't think so)

Now try to imagine how much brighter than Earth the little violet
color skewed pixel(s) worth of Venus is going to look. Actually the
likes of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn should also become part of those
future JAXA/KAGUYA(SELENE) obtained images, along with a few of those
most bright of stars unless having been intentionally spectrum
filtered out or PhotoShop removed.
--
Brad Guth

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