Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet and Guth Venus
Brad Guth
composite images as having been officially processed for delivering to
us village idiots as sharing in the most eye-candy, and otherwise
contributed for our investigative pleasure, whereas thus far such images
are showing us a semi-thermal gradient ratio of .075 to 0.5, as
representing a 6.67:1 ratio from the fully solar illuminated side to
those significant portions of the nighttime atmospheric season as being
considerably cooler. Actually, some of the coolest zones are not worth
0.05, thus we're talking nearly 10:1 as being the maximum differential,
that which doesn't surprise myself one bit.
It's the horrific thermal transitions from daytime to tighttime and of
those terrific polar vortex patterns that are the most reveiling.
In addition to whatever's of an unavoidably extra toasty atmospheric
season of daytime, as false colour depicted and as otherwise fully
expected, it seems the much cooler nighttime season is covering a
considerably greater percentage of that atmospheric environment by
something near 15%, with a great deal of thermal energy extraction
that's obviously taking place at the poles. Since these images are a
composite of UV through near-IR is perhaps why there's no specific
thermal gradient involved, other than the afforded by the observed
differential that's as great as 10:1, as roughly based upon the graphic
scale included with each image. The actual thermal range of
daytime/nighttime differentials will likely soon follow, unless FW
Taylor or that of our own NSA/NASA desides otherwise.
http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=Venus%20Express&...
"The images (taken at 5 microns) were obtained at six different time
slots and different distances from Venus (top left: 12 April, from 210
000 kilometres; top centre: 13 April, from 280 000 kilometres; top
right: 14 April, from 315 000 kilometres; bottom left:16 April, from 315
000 kilometres; bottom centre: 17 April, from 270 000 kilometres; bottom
right: 19 April, from 190 000 kilometres), while the spacecraft moved
along a long ellipse around the planet. The separate images can be
downloaded here [ COB_01_geo.TIF, COB_02_geo.TIF, COB_03_geo.TIF,
COB_04_geo.TIF, COB_05_geo.TIF, COB_06_geo.TIF]."
BTW; there is also an interesting little conflicting item of less than
one degree in scope, that's seemingly operating as though above the
daytime cloud layer of that planet, that's depicted as somehow being
much cooler than the surrounding atmosphere, as well as being much too
large for any artificial satellite that we could possibly have
accomplished. It's existing as though operating just above the equator
and near the 20 degree mark. Because it's within 6 out of 6 images, as
such I'd rather doubt that it's of any imaging glitch.
-
Brad Guth
--
Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
Brad Guth
that's expecting to see new and improved science about Venus, as
extensively being that of a geothermally impacted environment, with the
secondary affects being that of the atmospheric conditions keeping the
lid on much of that geothermal energy, plus unavoidably having to deal
with the solar energy influx that's as great as 2650 watts/m2 as a
contributing factor to the toasty situation. I'm also expecting to see
the differential of the day/night energy balance as being in favor of
having allowed more of that geothermal energy to escape than not,
thereby allowing for the gradual planetology cooling process of such a
newish planet that's of a newer study than previously thought possible.
Long before Venus EXPRESS, other's including those within team KECK had
speculated as to a significant energy imbalance, even having imaged the
rather extensive layer of oxygen that covers a significant portion of
the nighttime season, giving proper indications as to allowing for the
cooling of Venus, which means that either Venus is in fact a relatively
newish planet that our solar system had somewhar recently acquired, or
that it's a recovering planet from having been seriously impacted by
some of the heaviest of meteor/asteroid substances, with a remote third
possibility of there being something thermal nuclear involved.
It is highly probable that Venus is the best ever gold mine or otherwise
motherload of minerals and rare elements that are being made so easily
accessible and otherwise kept safely available as cloaked by the mostly
clean and obviously toasty dry CO2 layers of such a very buoyant and
protective atmosphere that's worth 4.8e20 kg for just the firt 16 km.
As such nearly Earth sized planets go, the access to/from that nighttime
surface is by far the least technically challenging (meaning that it's
much easier than having to accomplish a similar task upon Earth), and
you certainly don't have to pack along much if any spare energy for the
task of sustaining such operations, of processing whatever and the
exporting of various products or substances.
Just by having such locally available resources of energy and that of an
environment that's so well shielded against solar and cosmic radiation
alone is simply offering the best possible news of what any such
accessible and nearby planet can offer, although with a 0.905 gravity
factor and having 65+kg/m3 of buoyancy to work with is certainly
providing an extra thick amount of icing on the cake.
Anytime you've got less gravity and a thicker atmosphere to work with,
as such it's technically a win-win situation for getting whatever
to/from that planet.
Anytime you don't have to pack along large amounts of physical shielding
is obviously going to be another positive mission consideration that's
worth a whole lot more than most critics are willing to admit.
Anytime the local environment can provide such clean megajoules,
gigajoules and even if need be terajoules of spare and renewable energy
(that's everywhere to behold none the less), is an absolute multiple
win-win on behalf of just about everything imaginable.
If there's any ongoing question(s) as to what's a seriously big mystery,
is that it's certainly not being well enough understood nor obviously
having been appreciated as to why or how visiting ETs or locals couldn't
have made a go of it, as you'd have to be an absolute heathen of a
dumbfounded moron to not have taken advantage of whatever's so easily
available.
This isn't to say that for our doing Venus is not a technically
demanding quest, especially if to be insisting upon our someday going
there in person is obviously adding loads of complex insults to whatever
injury of whatever robotics would require. However, with local energy
already being there to behold, as such there's almost nothing that can
not be surmounted on behalf of accommodating our frail bodies, that
obviously can not take the heat (especially by the season of daytime or
anywhere within active volcanic mud/lava flows should remain as taboo),
but otherwise we can get ourselves adapted to that pressure. With an
implanted sinus shunt for improved intra cranial pressure (ICP)
equalizing, it's entirely possible as to adapt ourselves to the changes
in elevation pressure that's worth as much as 4+ bar/km. Converting
CO2-->CO/O2 is just a matter of applying the local energy for
accomplishing that task (at that great amount of pressure our biological
need for O2 might drop to 1% if the remainder can be composed of H2).
Accessing and thus extracting pure h2o from those relatively cool acidic
nighttime clouds is simply another matter of applied physics and
utilizing well proven science, although surface mud flows should also
provide a viable resource of h2o, although perhaps bringing along a few
spare tonnes of ice cold beer as our h2o might not be such a bad idea
for the first effort.
Of course, as already taking place (including the ongoing efforts to
terminate my PC), you'll unavoidably take notice as to the usual
topic/author stalking, bashings and if possible the efforts of
banishment upon any honest topic that's related to the truths about
planets and moons (especially that include Earth and of our moon), as
being their Usenet status quo norm or mainstream intent to foil or bust
criteria that's typically focused upon being as anti-ET and as
anti-truth as these folks can manage. The trick is to pay as little or
no attention to their obvious levels of incest mindset that only goes to
prove, of what others and I have had to offer is worth their attention.
In spite of all the ongoing flak; Would the rest of you folks like to
discuss the positive and thus constructive possibilities, rather than
join their gauntlet of flak tossing that's doing all that it can in
order to suppress or if possible to terminate whatever rocks thy boat?
Brad Guth
encharge is coming through with absolutely terrific thermal imaging
results, which of course means absolutely nothing to the mainstream
status quo of what our NASA has at it's disinformation disposal, of
their all-knowing wizards and rusemasters that obviously don't want
others looking and/or much less interpreting upon much of anything that
hasn't been moderated to death by whatever our NASA thinks is best.
Perhaps that's only because of their physically obstructive view of just
about everything:
by Ed Conrad; EXCLUSIVE PHOTO -- FIRST MAN IN THE MOON
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/SimplyMagic/TightFit.jpg
Such as the folloing NASA e-MIB of an incest cloned borg, of an obvious
e-spook of a cloak and dagger Usenet agent that's encharge of hype, spin
and wag-thy-dog worth of damage-control, and as often as possible for
excluding evidence and otherwise replacing facts with whatever's their
one and only NASA koran certified version of infomercial-science.
>Art Deco; Brad still doesn't have a clue what color temperature is, I see.
In spite of such official efforts by those working on behalf of our
NSA/NASA, at this initial investigative point we simply don't actually
need to understand the exact thermal gradient as to the starting
temperature, whereas whatever's at this moment hot is simply hot, or
rather it's of whatever the image calibration or gradient was
established in order to best accomplish the given image, and thereby
that ratio of being as much as 10:1 cooler by season of nighttime is
obviously representing of a much cooler nighttime atmospheric
environment for the given penetration of clouds as thus far being
accomplished. Obviously eventually the Venus EXPRESS team is going to
extensively nail down within a few +/- K of whatever that Venusian
atmosphere and perhaps even a touch better science as to what the
geothermal nighttime surface has to offer at various surface elevations.
Unlike the typical motives and ulterior agenda of this mostly naysay
and/or anti-think-tank Usenet, of what NASA's e-spooks and e-moles
intend to accomplish in spite of the facts, I'll most likely accept
whatever the ESA Venus Express team has to offer. At least their best
efforts are not nearly as SWAG or otherwise skewed from the nearest
space-toilet, as rather based upon all of their new and improved thermal
imaging science, as currently being obtained that will also not have to
become of some Jewish perverted and/or other collective religious
mindset that so often goes by the collective Usenet name "Art Deco". At
least ESA's science is that of having thus far honestly contributed
their science, even if it's having been nearly 3 months delayed is still
a whole lot better off than anything we've had otherwise to work with.
We know from previous science as of October 1991 to expect an upper
cloud deck and haze layer of 70~80 km as having a temperature of perhaps
200~230 K by day, and perhaps merely 225~245 K at the bottom layer of
them cool clouds. Of course such thick and acidic clouds do manage to
vary in their altitude from day to night, and we've been informed as of
previous obtained science that at roughly 60~70 km is where a good
portion of these clouds are really on the retrograde move.
Too bad that as per the 'Art Deco' intellectual incest of disinformation
and via their infomercial-science usual, and from within their mutated
naysayism mindset can't seem to constructively contribute all that much
of anything, except loads more of their usual status quo flak.
Obviously from the visual illumination spectrum of differentials between
the daytime of what's receiving 2650 w/m2 as opposed to the much cooler
(sub-frozen) upper atmosphere of that Venus nighttime season, as having
to make do with the nearly zilch worth of other than
starshine/earthshine, offering perhaps as great as -16 db of their
visual CCD DR representing 65,535:1 is not of what counts, whereas the
initial IR thermal ratio of roughly 10:1 is by far of the most
importance. Within additional orbits and of applied spectrum filters
should eventually refine that thermal imaging down to obtaining
something within a +/- 5 K resolution per pixel, and hopefully of that
eventual PFS effort should obtain much greater depth in the far-IR
spectrum that should eventually start to depict as to a bit of what that
geothermally active surface has to offer.
http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=Venus%20Express&single=y&start=5
Brad Guth
newish and geothermally alive and kicking, and for the most part w/o
solar/cosmic Sv to worry about, is yet another positive consideration on
behalf of something intelligent that may only seem too good to be true,
but I honestly believe it is.
The moon is hot and Venmus is not, is simply no lie, much less of any
ruse.
This next part is only a wee bit off-topic, but otherwise fully related
to the task of our accomplishing Venus instead of that nasty moon of
ours or that of other planets.
As for taking the somewhat conservative review at those moon radiation
numbers, as to be excluding upon all of whatever's derived via locally
radioactive elements as having been touted as offering better than twice
that of our terrestrial geophysical background dosage, and of excluding
whatever else our sun has to contribute, whereas just accounting for the
cosmic rays of one count/cm2/sec = 10,000 hits/m2/sec is what at first
seems almost wussy.
However, even though this incoming rate of 36e6 hits per m2/hr may still
not sound like all that much to fret over (especially pointless if you
can't accomplish basic math), that is until you reconsider that each and
every unfortunate moonsuit soul on that naked moon of our's is going to
be unavoidably surrounded by at least 3.14e6 m2 of a
reactive/anticathode lunar terrain, as well as for having next to
nothing of any atmospheric density between yourself and each of those
unavoidably reactive/anticathode square meters, much less intended as
for spending mere seconds on that physically dark and nasty surface,
whereas more than likely we're talking hours if not expecting to somehow
survive days on end without ever involving their banked bone marrow as
plan-B (I can honestly say; good luck with that).
Having to survive sufficiently unscaved from within such a demanding
moonsuit/EVA of such thermal and physical impact worthy extremes, and of
the otherwise downright lethal environment, of such a multiple Sv-hot
zone that's continually keeping yourself within the local zone of that
full and lethal gauntlet of those 113e12 hits(36e6 * 3.14e6) of cosmic
rays per hour is of no simple solution, much less has our NASA or anyone
other offered a viable plan of action that'll prevent your DNA from
getting summarily nailed but good. Add in those raw solar illuminated
and of the invisible spectrum forms of solar energy and thereby
unavoidable Sv influx, that at times goes entirely off their satellite
Sv instrument monitoring scale (as having recently fully saturated their
radiation detection methods), plus tossing in a little of whatever's
locally of radioactive elements and lo and behold, within at best hours
if not minutes you're soon going to become a dead astronaut walking, as
having been a sitting duck in a worse than microwave oven that even that
cash of banked bone marrow may not constitute sufficient insurance.
So, just going by the continual influx of cosmic rays alone is where
you'd be subjected to a TBI(total body irradiation) dosage environment
of whatever those available 113e12 hits/hr can manage to contribute,
plus enjoying those various and unavoidable secondary/recoil rays of the
mostly lethal kind as an ongoing threat coming from each and every
second of essentially a naked moonsuit exposure. Of course you'd also
be getting a little direct one on one personal cosmic impact dosage, at
the very least 1e4 cosmic rays as arriving from nearly all directions
per each and every second, or 36e6 personal hits throughout your body
per hr, plus your having to deal with whatever's locally radioactive as
obtained from all of those nearby 3.14e6 m2 off what's typically half
again more anticathode dense than aluminum, and once that sun comes up
is when you'd certainly be entitled to the direct and secondary/recoil
of solar induced dosage from whatever our raw solar influx has to offer
in the way of incoming soft-gamma as well as for the direct influx plus
secondary/recoil birth of hard-X-rays, plus there's whatever else that's
physically nasty as carried along within those solar winds, that which
at times can reach 2400 km/s, subsequently having to somehow fend
yourself off or otherwise survive what's essentially identical to those
lethal parts of our Van Allen belts.
BTW; those incoming or passing nearby physical items that may have your
name on any number of them, are perhaps as concerning as for the ongoing
Sv trauma to your DNA. Whereas upon Venus there's hardly any chance in
hell of being nailed by a given meteorite unless it's of a much greater
than iron density (such as platinum or perhaps U238 might get through
with sufficiently lethal terminal velocity), and even then you'd likely
have a sufficient opportunity as to merely stepping out of the way prior
to the somewhat wussy impact.
If for example 1.13 Sv/hr were not considered as being sufficiently
Sv-hot, if not at times worthy of such being multi-Sv hot and nasty per
hour, especially testy if you're planning upon spending more than an
hour on that deck or seemingly it's even worse off if cruising in nearby
orbit, then I obviously don't know what is. Whereas at times the direct
solar dosage and of solar wind contributed energy alone can be within
the realm of several thousand rads or tens of Sv per hour, much of which
is going to unavoidably react with whatever's physical of that local
moon environment as gamma and of otherwise becoming those energies of
hard-X-rays as having no significant atmospheric attenuation factor
between yourself and each of them surrounding m2s. Unfortunately, the
mostly aluminum spacecraft is rather semi-transparent to hard-X-rays,
and almost entirely transparent to gamma, with only the secondary/recoil
of whatever that aluminum density of roughly 2.66 g/cm3 has to offer,
therefore becoming an anticathode of what's surrounding and thus
unavoidably available for nailing your DNA via secondary/recoil dosage,
which can actually be worse off than merely being situated within a
naked moonsuit that hasn't nearly the available density for the solar
and cosmic ray energy to react so badly with.
Fortunately for us humans sequestered upon our global warming Earth, in
that such cosmic rays of typically 1e6 to 1e18 eV are getting somewhat
magnetosphere diverted and/or having subsequently converted into
relatively lower energy secondary rays by the time they've reached the
altitude of roughly 20 km, whereas most of this conversion transpires
due to our planet having such an atmospheric density that's more than
sufficient for protecting our frail DNA from this otherwise lethal
trauma. Because the thin upper atmospheric population is of such low
mass particles or rather of the atom by atom sparse density is also the
primary reason why those less lethal anticathode forms of soft-gamma or
hard-X-rays are formed, whereas instead of being like the lethal
gauntlet of what's above the 20 km mark, instead we get to deal with
mostly the remainders of what becomes mostly soft-X-rays that are
considerably less lethal, whereas by some accounts most of those cosmic
remainders reaching the surface of Earth are down to typically less than
0.0057 mrem/hr, and that's certainly proof-positive as to how well
shielded we are by the density and mass of our atmosphere.
The supposed average of our terrestrial combined local and cosmic
background dosage is roughly 240+ mrem/yr or make that 2.41 mSv/yr,
which equals 0.66 mrem/day, which in turn equals merely 0.0274 mrem/hr.
Unfortunately, human DNA hasn't hardly if at all having evolved in order
to match up with the increasing levels of solar, cosmic and that of our
own local radiation pillaged and plundered environment that's so
otherwise physically polluted that it's about to go postal on us, which
is rather unfortunate since the existing radioactive elements that
obviously were here first, as having been essentially once and forever
decaying into the final likes of lead before our dumbfounded eyes
(especially unfortunate of the usually discarded or otherwise released
element of Ra-226), to the point of making it look as though that realm
of geological elements isn't quite as old as we'd thought, that is
unless such radioactive elements were never deposited but rather somehow
getting created within proto-Earth and having ever since migrated
towards the surface while on the fly (seem doable though some how, I
don't think so).
Solar maximum is actually somewhat of a beneficial factor, that is as
long as Earth maintains a viable magnetosphere that's working on our
behalf, in that such extra solar energy that's usually but not always
less lethal than cosmic influx is what also diverts or moderates a small
portion of those incoming cosmic rays, by as much as 5% from what solar
minimum otherwise allows in our front, side and back doors.
Our magnetosphere which includes our two primary Van Allen belts is
typically worth nearly an expanse of 11r (roughly 70,000 km) of what's
at least worthy of representing a shield density of one mg/km on behalf
of each m2, or in other words simulating 70,000 mg/m2 or 70 kg/m2 worth
of an outer shield that's obviously taking advantage of a sparsely
populated density though effective enough at moderating a degree of the
moon's hard-gamma, and otherwise extensively attenuating the moon's
hard-X-rays by way of essentially converting such incoming energy into
less lethal secondaries or recoil forms that our 10t/m2 of atmospheric
shield effectively terminates via converting all but a minor TBI influx
and local dosage of what's most often keeping our personal environment
at less than 0.66 millirad/day.
Fortunately, of what's still keeping our polluted atmosphere as a
healthy radiation shield has been that of our failing magnetosphere,
that's unfortunately diminishing in force by roughly 0.05%/year, and of
the increasing heavy elements that are artificially going into our
humanly polluted atmosphere is only increasing upon the anticathode
affect and effectiveness that's unfortunately going to get some of us
prematurely killed off, unless we can intelligently improve upon making
our wussy DNA into a somewhat rad-hard DNA. Initially (way back in them
good old planetology days of proto-Earth) our magnetosphere was
considerably stronger, as per having once upon a time having sustained a
50+ bar atmosphere of a fairly toasty (Venus like and perhaps even
pre-moon) Earth. Due to the ongoing decay of our magnetosphere,
nowadays the SAA is reaching below 200 km and becoming that of a much
larger area or lethal zone (just don't live anywhere near the SAA or
much less at any significant altitude, and your frail DNA should manage
to survive unscaved).
http://www.srl.caltech.edu/personnel/dick/cos_encyc.html
"Cosmic Rays in the Galaxy: Because cosmic rays are electrically charged
they are deflected by magnetic fields, and their directions have been
randomized, making it impossible to tell where they originated."
In that case I believe that we obviously need to deploy a new and
improved gamma detection and of multiple other science and
interplanetary laser communications platforms, as much as possible
external to our protective magnetosphere, such as station-keeping such
within LL-1. Don't you think?
"The Sun is also a sporadic source of cosmic ray nuclei and electrons
that are accelerated by shock waves traveling through the corona, and by
magnetic energy released in solar flares. During such occurrences the
intensity of energetic particles in space can increase by a factor of
1e2 to 1e6 for hours to days. Such solar particle events are much more
frequent during the active phase of the solar cycle. The maximum energy
reached in solar particle events is typically 10 to 100 MeV,
occasionally reaching 1 GeV (roughly once a year) to 10 GeV (roughly
once a decade)."
That million fold increase in locally produced cosmic like rays is most
certainly a real mission killer, that which your DNA is likely going to
require 50t/m2 or better shielding between yourself and of whatever our
own sun, plus that of shielding against our anticathode moon that's
capable of tossing out such lethal gamma and X-ray flak of it's own. I
believe that even the solar flare hundred fold increase isn't currently
all that survivable outside of the magnetosphere by much other than
rad-hard robotics, and thus is why ISS keeps itself and crew within
below the 400 km mark, and otherwise if at all possible manages to avoid
the SAA zone that's getting larger by the year and currently dips below
200 km.
BTW No.2; that physically dark and nasty moon of ours, of once upon a
time being of perhaps 4000 km in icy diameter, whereas I believe this
nearby orb had been once upon a time our thick ice covered proto-moon
that may have upon arrival taken a nearly lethal glancing blow off
Earth, and whereas it currently offers a significant voltage
differential that my swag tends to believe can obtain a few gigavolts if
not achieving teravoltage, along with packing more than a few joules of
amperage backing that up, thus in addition to whatever's gravity, of
such an electrostatic charge is even better at attracting and holding
onto whatever's cosmic or solar contributed (similar to a Van Allen belt
on steroids as having gone solid). Once again; isn't it too bad we
still haven't established interactive moon surface science probes, nor
anything on behalf of that energy efficient LL-1 science platform, much
less having accomplished anything on behalf of the LSE-CM/ISS
(apparently all of that's being reserved for the expertise and future
wealth of China).
Venus is simply a whole lot safer than Earth when it come down to Sv.
The toasty geothermal environment of Venus is all together less Sv hot
and thereby DNA safe and sane, that is unless there's piles upon piles
of Venusian yellowcake to deal with, whereas even without having any
significant magnetosphere there's obviously more than a sufficiently
protective atmospheric shield, as to making that toasty surface
environment a whole lot more DNA end-user friendly than whatever we
earthlings have to deal with, plus the matter that Venus doesn't have
one of those nearby gamma and hard-X-ray producing moons to contend with
is simply all that much better. Just because the Venusian surface
environment seems as though a tad bit on the humanly warm side, at least
most everything that's of the IR spectrum (we're talking of mostly
geothermal IR) is technically manageable, and otherwise entirely within
the status quo of our existing wealth of applied technology, and there's
at least a few other extremely positive attributes about Venus that are
for the good of that planet having sustained intelligent other life,
possibly even the sort of coexisting life we already know of (though I'm
thinking in ways that count, in that their form of intelligence more
advanced and far better civilized than most of us earthly humans that
seem to function at our best upon using our social/religious arrogance,
greed and bigotry, all of which demanding the utmost skills of applied
LLPOF and of evidence exclusion when and wherever necessary, and
apparently if at all possible being Jewish and willing to collaborate
with whomever's the current warlord couldn't hurt, along with having
those ongoing spendy missions to the likes of Mercury, Mars and Pluto as
media infomercial-science hype and/or being as dog-wagging good as it
gets).
If you happen know of something/anything that our NASA doesn't, please
share and share alike, especially if any of it should relate to our
moon, Venus or even the Sirius star/solar system that we seem to have
been within some extended (105,000 year) orbit thereof.
Brad Guth
improved upon (dyslexic words and my usual weird math that I can't seem
to keep track of), as fully related to keeping a safe distance and/or
being well shielded from our anticathode moon, along with some secondary
topic focus upon the task of our accomplishing Venus instead of that
nasty moon of ours, or much less that of planets other than Venus.
The fact that Venus is very much geologically or rather planetology
newish and geothermally alive and kicking, and for the most part w/o
solar/cosmic Sv to worry about, is yet another positive consideration on
behalf of something intelligent existing/coexisting that may only seem
too good to be true, but I honestly believe it is.
The moon is hot and Venus simply is not, is of no lie, much less of any
ruse. 36e6 cosmic hits/m2/hr isn't exactly playing it safe and sane.
As for my taking the somewhat conservative review at those moon
radiation numbers, as to be excluding upon all of whatever's derived via
locally radioactive elements as having been touted as offering better
than twice that of our terrestrial geophysical background dosage, and of
excluding whatever else our sun has to contribute, whereas just
accounting for the cosmic rays of one count/cm2/sec = 10,000 hits/m2/sec
is what at first seems almost wussy.
However, even though this incoming rate of 36e6 hits per m2/hr may still
not sound like all that much to fret over (especially pointless if you
can't accomplish basic math), that is until you reconsider that each and
every unfortunate moonsuit soul on that naked moon of our's is going to
be unavoidably surrounded by at least 3.14e6 m2 of a
reactive/anticathode lunar terrain, as well as for having next to
nothing of any atmospheric density between yourself and each of those
unavoidably reactive/anticathode square meters, much less intended as
for spending mere seconds on that physically dark and nasty surface,
whereas more than likely we're talking hours if not expecting to somehow
survive days on end without ever involving their banked bone marrow as
plan-B (I can honestly say; good luck with that).
Having to survive sufficiently unscaved from within such a demanding
moonsuit/EVA of such thermal and physical impact worthy extremes, and of
the otherwise downright lethal environment, of such a multiple Sv-hot
zone that's continually keeping yourself within the local environment of
BTW; those incoming or of whatever's passing nearby of various physical
items that may have your name on any number of them, are perhaps every
bit as concerning as for the ongoing Sv trauma to your DNA. Whereas
upon Venus there's hardly any chance in hell of being nailed by a given
meteorite unless it's of a much greater than iron density (such as
platinum or perhaps U238 might get through that atmospheric soup with
sufficiently lethal terminal velocity), and even then you'd likely have
an opportunity as to merely stepping out of the way prior to the
somewhat moderated impact.
of each m2, or in other words simulating 70,000 mg/m2 or 70 g/m2 worth
In that case I do believe that we obviously need to deploy a new and
The toasty geothermal surface environment of Venus is all together less
Sv hot than Earth, and thereby DNA safe and sane, that is unless there's
piles upon piles of Venusian yellowcake to deal with, whereas even
without having any significant magnetosphere there's obviously more than
a sufficiently protective atmospheric shield, as to making that toasty
surface environment a whole lot more DNA end-user friendly than whatever
we earthlings have to deal with, plus the matter that Venus doesn't have
one of those nearby gamma and hard-X-ray producing moons to contend with
is simply all that much better. Just because the Venusian surface
environment seems as though a tad bit on the humanly warm side, at least
most everything that's of the IR spectrum (we're talking of mostly
geothermal IR) is technically manageable, and otherwise entirely within
the status quo of our existing wealth of applied technology, and there's
at least a few other extremely positive attributes about Venus that are
also for the good of that planet having sustained intelligent other
life, possibly even the sort of coexisting life we already know of
(though I'm thinking in ways that count, in that their form of
intelligence more advanced and far better civilized than most of us
earthly humans that seem to function at our best upon using our
social/religious arrogance, greed and bigotry, all of which demanding
the utmost skills of applied LLPOF and of evidence exclusion when and
wherever necessary, and apparently if at all possible being Jewish and
willing to collaborate with whomever's the current warlord couldn't
hurt, along with having those ongoing spendy missions to the likes of
Mercury, Mars and Pluto as media infomercial-science hype and/or being
as dog-wagging good as it gets).
If any of you folks should happen know of something/anything that our
NASA doesn't, please share and share alike, especially if any of it
should relate to our moon, Venus or even the Sirius star/solar system
that we seem to have been within some extended (105,000 year) orbit
thereof.
Brad Guth
hot and not otherwise all that rad/Sv hot unless that Venusian
geothermally active environment so happens to hold more than it's fair
share of yellowcake.
Unfortunately, it looks as though ESA's Venus EXPRESS team is still on
extended lunch break (taking high tea) by way of their holding out on
us, whereas even their PFS instrument that apparently isn't going to be
restarted until the end of September is what seems rather unfortunate if
not absolutely pathetic.
Their lack of offering so much as an honest swag, as to suggesting upon
a rough thermal gradient by way of extracting and/or extrapolating such
information from whatever's currently available, is a perfectly good
example of their intent to hold off upon sharing as much information
impact of whatever their new and improved science should otherwise have
to offer. If their PFS instrument eventually accomplishes it's thing
(of which it should), then perhaps the extended wait as for obtaining
such results is going to become well worth having done it their way.
The following images are still impressive, and I believe well worth our
time as to review as much as possible upon each and every pixel, with
such images indicating a thermal differential of better than 7:1
(perhaps nearly 10:1) means that the nighttime season of that Venusian
environment isn't nearly as hot and nasty as we'd been informed by our
NASA.
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/venusexpress/total_500_red_c.jpg
-
Bras Guth
Brad Guth
infomercial crapolla any more. Gee whiz, why am I not the least bit
surprised.
Unlike naked folks walking on our moon and returning home entirely
unscaved, at least I can prove it within the regular laws of physics, as
well as I can otherwise prove with the best available science, that
there has been and may yet be other intelligent life existing/coexisting
on Venus.
Would any of you good folks like to argue and/or constructively
contribute as to why the hell not? or is even that by itself asking too
much?
-
How about we try real hard as to forget all about how downright Sv/rad
hot and nasty our moon actually is; I'm saying screw each and every one
of those NASA/Apollo vibrant stars (including those of the rather
bluish, near-blue, violet and near-UV spectrum worth of that extremely
vibrant Sirius star/solar system); just show us village idiots as to
where's Venus?
Apollo 11, 14 and 16, to please show us a Kodak moment including Venus
as unavoidably obtained from orbit or from the surface. Where's your
big-ass LLPOF insurmountable problem?
Most any 3D simulator proves exactly where Venus should have existed,
and otherwise of how easily photographed it would have been, as
unavoidably obtained along with that of our physically dark moon or of
mother Earth being within the same frame(s), and thereby of having been
easily recorded within the DR(dynamic range) as afforded by the very
same photographic exposure.
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Even grumpy old Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree that; WAR is WAR,
thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason
why honest folks are having to deal with the likes of others that
haven't been playing by whatever the supposed rules, such as our
resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) having invented WMD seems to come to
mind.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Brad Guth
can devote some local efforts as to interplanetary laser (ABL if need
be) communication efforts, especially whenever Venus is so nearby every
19 months. Too bad we still haven't that LL-1 science platform to work
from. Perhaps China will soon enough accomplish the first and thereby
having established this one and only such LL-1 science station on our
behalf.
"dkomo" <dkom...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:oKGdnQNwoolF8HHZ...@comcast.com
> Why haven't they found *us*? Let's see, our galaxy has about 300
> billion stars. The latest estimate I've seen is that 90% of them could
> have planets. That's 270 billion planets (assuming only one planet per
> star system) to search in order to find intelligent species. That's a
> tall order even for a very advanced alien civilization. And our own
> planet has been lit up at night only since about the late 1800's when
> gas lightning in the streets of cities became commonplace, while
> widespread use of radio waves didn't come along until the 1920's.
We're also still into using those easily distorted and otherwise badly
interstellar attinuated microwaves and/or of wussy radar signals that
are still terribly interstellar inefficient (especially if having been
originated from the surface of Earth, and not otherwise generated
external to our magnetosphere), and even at that there's been no serious
beacon efforts honestly applied towards the most nearby of the most
viable other star/solar systems.
On our global warming Earth is where human greed, arrogance and bigotry
has been policy, thus being status quo snookered and/or dumbfounded is
also a requirement. Unfortunately, Most of our talents and resources
thus far have been devoted as to exterminating our own kind over the
limited energy and rare element resources of this magnetosphere failing
planet.
I'm thinking that other ET life could be much like right here on Earth,
whereas certain islands that have been teaming with complex plant and
animal life, yet never once having evolved with an original species of
human as to contaminate, pillage and rape everything to death, whereas I
tend to believe there are a few such other worlds (possibly nearby)
without a human infestation.
I also believe with conviction that we're within a 105,000 (+/- 5,000)
year orbital cycle with our parent Sirius star/solar system. I have to
say this because of the available science and also because the regular
laws of physics is what makes it impossible to not be the case.
Gravity sucks, as in regardless of whatever big-bang or little-bang
happenstance, whereas everything remains unavoidably in orbit around
something. We are not biologically, intellectually nor otherwise
physically alone, just badly snookered and otherwise having been
dumbfounded to death for most of our pathetically bigoted lives.
Why the heck is SETI looking only for the remainders of other arrogant,
greedy, dumbfounded and terribly bigoted humans (apparently looking for
those Jewish ETs none the less)?
By the time we've detected their multi-thousand light year old message,
arnt those folks rather dead, as may will be the whole incest lot of
humanity upon this magnetosphere failing Earth within the next thousand
years. So what's the difference?
I have a few perfectly serious physics and hard-science related
questions about Venus, of which I'll gladly share and share alike by way
of paying the likes of yourself big-time loot if you'll help my research
along, or otherwise merely for contributiing as for kicking a few of
those mainstream butts that are in a bad way in need of their status quo
mindsets getting kicked to hell.
Brad Guth
because it's so geothermally alive and kicking. At least there's been
no other physics nor available science proving otherwise.
Professor Grinspoon and actually many others as having a much better
grasp of the laws of physics and thereby of having an open mindset upon
planetology and of the sorts of harsh environment capable forms of other
life that could be possible, as typically these folks having less often
if ever having been formally published, haven't actually verbatim
excluded the possibility of there having been other life on Venus,
though much less having bothered as to exclude upon intelligent ETs as
making any go of it at their form of coexisting efforts.
By way of folks merely excluding whatever observationology has
uncovered, and further excluding the usage of the regular laws of
physics (AKA imposing selective or conditional physics) and of merely
excluding upon whatever else is derived from the best available science
is what makes it rather easy for most folks to exclude the notions of
other life having existed/coexisted on Venus, or for that matter upon
any other planet or moon becomes a status quo done deal of our being
entirely alone in the foreseeable universe, or at least until we've
managed to run our global warming selves out of fossil and yellowcake
fuel. Unfortunately, such multi-faced bigots-R-us says it all, and then
some.
By way of their stopping just short of directly saying it's entirely
possible for other life (especially of intelligent other life) to have
existed/coexisted is the same as folks having stopped short of saying
that Iraq doesn't actually have WMD, and just look at what an absolute
fiasco that little bit of LLPOF lack of proper disclosure has had such a
horrific impact upon real people of honest souls, and of the collateral
damage as to very real property that obviously didn't belong to us in
the first place.
"The Case for Life on Venus" is not a joke that this naysay Usenet from
such an anti-think-tank hell as having had it's say about such matters.
In fact, there couldn't be any more nunfounded aysayism unless it was
bought and paid for, of which I tend to believe it was. Although by far
the biggest infomercial-science based cesspool of bigotry on Earth is
via NASA/s own http://uplink.space.com/index.html that'll out-bigot the
Pope and Jews combined if need be.
Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/bd7de418f454d25c/383b618f61cc0364?hl=en#383b618f61cc0364
"The Jesuit priest-astronomer who vocally opposed the Catholic
understanding of God-directed creation, has been removed from his post
as head of the Vatican observatory."
"Fr. George Coyne has been head of the Vatican observatory for 25 years
is an expert in astrophysics with an interest in the interstellar
medium, stars with extended atmospheres and Seyfert galaxies. He also
appointed himself as an expert in evolutionary biology and theology last
summer in an article for the UK's liberal Catholic magazine, The
Tablet."
""Coyne, retiring after 25 years of service for the Vatican observatory,
said, "The classical question as to whether the human being came about
by chance, and so has no need of God, or by necessity, and so through
the action of a designer God, is no longer valid.""
That was obviously a really big time Pope OOPS! whereas only an honest
to God religion would have allowed such an argument to stand as is, at
least until further notice.
Obviously even our modern day Pope likes to kick a little science and
physics butt from time to time, just like all of those sorry butts they
had been previously kicked to death of Cathars and of anyone else
standing nearby (good or bad) got exactly what they deserved, and then
some. Of course, our warm and fuzzy NASA wouldn't so much as dare to
hire on or in any way associate with such a Vatican black-balled "George
Coyne". Apparently the Pope's God or even the more impressive Jewish
God of their one and only humanity doesn't believe in pictures, nor in
the regular laws of physics, nor much less in the best available science
that can be replicated. (so what's new?)
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/magellan/ (along with all the usual NASA
approved infomercial-science)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif (naked and
w/o infomercial-science)
Most of my external pages need to get updated, as I've previously
included more than my fair share of misunderstandings and outright
mistakes, plus having otherwise dyslexic encrypted most everything so
that MI/NSA moles and spooks can't quite figure it all out.
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Even good old and cranky but otherwise fun loving Kurt Vonnegut would
have to agree that; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are no rules" - In
fact, war has been the very reason why honest folks are having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever the
supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) having
invented WMD seems to come to mind.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Mark McIntyre
Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(the usual babble).
One of your entries in your enormous and RFC violating sigblock is
most apposite:
>"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
Quite true.
--
Mark McIntyre
Brad Guth
news:lotbf2lcsgl0ri75k...@4ax.com
> One of your entries in your enormous and RFC violating sigblock is
> most apposite:
>
> >"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
>
> Quite true.
And your all-knowing lack of any constructive topic point being?
Are you saying that I'm the one that's not looking for the truth?
If so, then perhaps I'm merely looking for those nifty lies upon lies
that'll prove that certain things are so, as based upon the regular laws
of physics and of the best available hard-science that's replicated.
-
Brad Guth
Brad Guth
take this quest of your's for stalking, bashing and banishing the truth
and nothing but the truth up with SEFORA. I mean to suggest, the laws
of physics really haven't actually changed simply to suit our
MI/NSA~NASA/Apollo ruse/sting of our perpetrated cold wars, and of hard
replicated science is still representing the best available truth in
town, that is unless you folks still can't believe your own eyes nor
otherwise manage to deductively connect a few of those dots.
I certainly wish those <http://www.sefora.org> scientists and engineers
the absolute very best of luck. JFK was once upon a time a fair enough
game player on behalf of science and technology, and got summarily
rather dead for being such.
Their "National Agenda" starts off with way too much honesty and truth,
that is if that truth can ever be told. Their blogs via Michael
Stebbins are for the moment fairly empty, but lets see what happens
next. Too bad the likes of SETI/OSETI nor even Mensa doesn't even
remotely qualify.
Usenet truth certainly isn't worth squat, as lies beget lies and liars
spawn liars.
Earth truth isn't exactly possible because Mensa = Skull and Bones
Moon truth gets even so much worse yet because Mensa = Third Reich
Venus truth is entirely off their charts and still running itself
scared.
Sirius truth simply isn't allowed to exist, no matters what the
consequences.
Topic/author stalking, avoidance and/or banishment has been Usenet
status quo.
Excluding whatever evidence rocks your good ship LOLLIPOP seems to have
worked thus far. Too bad that it isn't working for all that much
longer. The perpetrated cold-wars are clearly at risk of being exposed
for what they were. Our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) is on his way
out as oil rich Muslims are kicking our butts. China is out-consuming
us and headed for establishing the one and only LSE-CM/ISS. ESA is
uncovering further evidence as to how newish and geothermally active
Venus actually is. The regular laws of physics being applied on behalf
of our moon or that of Venus are holding there own, while the results
are being entirely different than we've been informed by way of our NASA
and the likes of GOOGLE/NOVA.
Usenet and ROM/rec.org.mensa has been into playing with cult like fire,
and that's what makes this Earth into such an extra special planet of
liars telling us lies. Topic/author avoidance if not banishment seems
to have become their ultimate tool or save thy butt worth of a
damage-control method of e-book burning. No wonder there's such few if
any good topics within this wussy Mensa NG that's otherwise so deathly
afraid of it's own shadow.
JFK Speech on Secret Societies and Freedom of the Press
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlEqtaWpKEU
I'm sorry to say that I've totally agreed with JFK long before I'd
realized how totally snookered I'd been, and obviously this unfortunate
phase in my life was before JFK had gotten summarily nailed for being
such an honest human that actually gave a tinkers damn. No wonder
MI/NSA~NASA had to do what they did by allowing the extermination of
this rogue JFK of a lose cannon, in much the same manor as Jews allowed
one of their own kind to get put on a stick. How can we not make that
connection?
Can we hardly imagine upon discovering a more screwed up planet of
supposedly intelligent other/ET folks that are somewhat physically like
us? (I can't)... Perhaps that's exactly why Sirius had gotten rid of us
in the first place. (somewhat like a cosmic version of tossing out the
bad apples, or perhaps intentionally having established a sufficiently
remote and technologically isolated planet on behalf of accommodating
their mutated rejects)
Perhaps SEFORA will appreciate the fact that our moon's mascon influence
of 2e20 joules or 2.0395e19 kgf will actually mean a little something to
the likes of honest scientists and engineers.
If you're at all interested, I still have more than my fair share of
nifty topics and questions, plus as always a few spare lose cannons to
go along for the ride. I don't even mind sharing, and I'm otherwise
perfectly good with returning the flak with all the love and affection I
can muster.
Brad Guth
truth should take this quest of your's for topic/author stalking,
bashing and banishing the truth and nothing but the truth up with the
likes of SEFORA. I mean to suggest, the laws of physics really haven't
Brad Guth
born-again denial that's in the nearest space-toilet of denial about
nearly everything under their sun are right about this polluted Earth
being the one and only life sustaining planet in the entire Universe, or
at least hosting the most advanced species that'll kick serious ET butt,
as for otherwise all we need is for the likes of SETI/OSETI or some
other mission/probe to uncover yet another mentally sick and perverted
world of mostly cult like paganism that's without a stitch of remorse,
all because it's so absolutely chuck full of the sorts of our human
incest spawn and cultivated bigotry, arrogance and insurmountable greed
like that's existing right here on good old River City upon this mother
Earth, along with her extremely impressive mascon of such a nearby
global warming moon that's also remaining as infomercial cloak and
dagger taboo/nondisclosure until each of them hocus-pocus NASA/Apollo
cows come home. (I'm sorry; was any of that getting too far over your
head?)
Besides what this anti-think-tank of Usenet can't seem to manage a good
topic such as "Earth w/o Magnetosphere, w/o Moon" or that of "Global
Warmed to Death via moon" without blowing another one of their
infomercial gaskets, whereas the rather unfortunate Venus EXPRESS forum
of NASA's very own uplink.space.com cesspool is still operating as the
pathetic infomercial and/or damage-control joke that it is, of a few
Usenet like cult/insider members that'll stalk, bash and/or banish
whomever gets in their way (acting exactly like GW Bush, Dick Cheney and
Henry Kissinger, especially if you happen to be Muslim or in any
pro-Islamic other way).
http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=missions&Number=299000&page=4&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=10&vc=1
Too bad that we/NASA were not any part of ESA's extremely cost effective
VIRTIS mission.
This BBC report is actually offering us a damn good bit of news if it's
representing that their previously stuck PFS instrument is back in
action.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6041570.stm
"scientists are happy to report that all the instruments are in good
working order and beaming back massive amounts of data."
If all continues to go well, from here on out is where David Grinspoon,
FW Taylor and hopefully the more open and free to roam about the
universe mindset likes of John Ackerman are going to seriously kick a
few of our sorry planetology butts that have been focused upon global
warming, rather than the truth.
The geothermally active nature of Venus is simply chuck full of nifty
but otherwise good elements, as having been spewing off more of such as
spare renewable energy than anything our probes and previous mindsets
have previously encountered. Of course any halfwhit scientist worth
their salt already knew that Venus was and still is extremely alive and
as such having been kicking out all sorts of nifty geothermal energy,
plus having been contributing those somewhat nasty vapors as though that
planet was a good billion years less old than Earth (just like we've
been informed by so many others before that weren't being givben a gram
of credit because they obviously were's sufficiently Jewish).
Having an open mindset which is based entirely upon the regular laws of
physics, and thereby receptive as to the best available science, is
going to be deductively formulating those new and improved
interpretations from all those new and improved numbers, and of the
images such numbers represent are going to get published along with a
more open or wider perspective as to what's possible.
Therefore being unlike this Usenet of mainstream disinformation and
infomercial-science that's so badly skewed towards their past
associations, and as a result having sucked away at the truth and blown
out nothing but their infomercial butt loads of lies upon lies in order
to fortify upon their status quo ruse of their perpetrated cold-war
century, whereas instead of all the usual hocus-pocus is where this
Venus EXPRESS (VIRTIS) mission has been offering the ongoing proof
positive that many others and myself have been sufficiently right all
along, about Venus being an active geothermal cauldron of newish
planetology, with few shortages of anything that known technology
couldn't manage to deal with.
ESA's VIRTIS is perhaps a bit slow at sharing, but then we haven't been
willing to share all that much of the truth with regards to our moon or
even that of the previous missions which our NASA conducted of Venus.
The involvement of MI/NSA~CIA and those pesky exclusions of evidence
that didn't fit the mold is at least a couple of good reasons why ESA
accomplished this task without our supposed help.
Even our MESSENGER mission has been simply hocus-pocus about having
avoided sharing any pictures of the Earth with moon, or having even
accommodated an honest side by side composite look-see whereas each
obtained image was recorded at the exact same exposure. By way of using
the bottom 5% of their available CCD/DR capability is how our MESSENGER
team managed to obtain such an unusually naked and somewhat pastel image
of Earth, and w/o moon to boot. Silly game, isn't it.
~
Life upon Venus; township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus my updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Brad Guth
taboo/nondisclosure. It's almost as bad off as for discussing our moon
or that of China's soon to be owned and operated LSE-CM/ISS.
Just because our physically dark moon has been double IR and FIR hot,
plus a touch gamma and hard-X-ray lethal to our frail DNA, this doesn't
mean that the toasty but otherwise sufficiently end-user friendly
environment afforded by Venus is ET/biologically taboo nor otherwise
technologically all that humanly insurmountable.
A perfectly viable other world or moon needn't have 0.001% the water of
Earth, and even that amount of h2o needn't be situated as a pure form or
even that of salty brine of a fluid, or that of whatever's sequestered
as a brine ot that of salty ice or merely packed underneath dry-ice on
the open surface of their planet isn't all that insurmountable, whereas
I do believe we're talking of a good deal less (perhaps as little as
0.0001% or a millionth that of Earth's environment) if their local
evolution of survival motivated DNA had formulated their physiology for
being accustomed and/or having become sufficiently survival intelligent
as to artificially managing upon such scant amounts of h2o. Their h2o
could even be that of a highly valuable mined substance, or perhaps
having become artificially cultivated/recycled via applied technology.
Not all such other worthy planets as capable of hosting intelligent
other life need be as badly over-populated with the sorts of dumbfounded
heathens as Earth. Such as, what if an extremely hot and dry Earth had
but a million or merely a few thousand intelligent souls to deal with.
Why the heck shouldn't any hot or cold Earth like planet or viable moon
even have to be so populated with much other than suitable plants,
diatoms, insects and various larger animals? (on Earth, didn't we come
along at the very last planetology minute, especially as for those of us
being the supposedly intelligent species, as only having existed from
the very last ice age, that which our Earth will ever see again).
"Eric Chomko" <pne.c...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1160751317....@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
> Bleeding Scalp wrote:
>> In fact Earth is absolutely Unique there is none other like it an there
>> is nothing like a man anywhere else but on earh and decendants thereof.
>
> How can you state that definitively? You have no idea if something like
> man exists or does not exist all over the universe. What we do know is
> that our galaxy is not unique, that our star in that galaxy is not
> unique, nor is our planet that circles that star unique. That said, why
> do you believe that life as we know it IS unique?
Thanks once again, Eric, for having put that one through. Unlike what
team SETI/OSETI and the likes of so many others living in their
hocus-pocus past and remaining so mindset intent upon keeping the rest
of us there seem to think, our extremely wet and at previous times
having been extensively frozen near solid Earth also isn't at all the
unique unless we're speaking of our rather unusually massive moon
arriving since the last ice age, and/or that of appreciating our rather
uniquely cultivated form of our truly unique intellectual incest of
bigotry, arrogance and the sorts of insurmountable greed that has been
running most everything amuck since recorded time, and then some.
If ETs were only half as smart and otherwise not at continual war with
one another, they'd be a good thousand percent better off than us.
Meaning; if having just 10% the local resources at their disposal,
they'd still be a whole lot better off than compared to what we've long
since trashed as our environment because we're such all-knowing pagan
idiots without a stitch of remorse.
Being survival smart and otherwise extremely intelligent has absolutely
nothing to do with ETs having radio or much less any form of space
travel capability. (sorry about that)
If ETs had ongoing space probes and the likes of personal space travel
capability, as such they most certainly wouldn't be so primitive and
thus limited to using the inefficiencies and limitations of radio. (at
least not the sorts of funky radio we've been using).
If having been surviving upon a fully cloud covered planet (such as
Venus), or perhaps upon that of having survived a thick atmospheric moon
(such as Titan or even that of our once upon a time icy proto-moon
that's still rather salty), whereas the stars and of whatever other
nearby planets simply do not exist, do they. And besides all of that,
would such other intelligent ET's of conventional evolution or
especially those of intelligent design dare to knowingly trash their one
and only frail environment? (I don't think so)
Brad Guth
it extra safe until their PFS instruments gets into action, if ever.
Our moon is physically dark, as it is extremely hot/cold and unavoidably
being terribly reactive, however Venus may have become the rarest of any
planet that's hosting intelligent other life, but then Earth is not only
going to become eventually w/o magnetosphere, as well as it used to be
w/o moon, but it's clearly operating w/o hardly a stitch of remorse as
though w/o so much as half a village idiot Usenet mind of it's own. I
believe it's called base jumping, except without a bungy cord or
parachute.
The vast bulk of topics here in Usenet land of denial are absolutely
silly and/or wussy, of no importance to much of anything that matters.
The potentially serious topics are being stalked, bashed, infomercial
skewed and/or intentionally mutated in order to banish such or otherwise
forced to suit the all-knowing mainstream status quo, especially
tormented if it isn't something 100+% pro-Jewish.
It has been so freaking obvious that we're being given infomercial butt
loads of their used toilet paper instead of the truth, in that only the
truly dumb and dumber souls that are well past their dumbfounded point
of no return are the ones still thinking their corrupted systems can
somehow be fixed with yet another ruse, another sting, another lie,
another perpetrated war.
Brad Guth
Earth may in fact be the most alive or at least the most screwed up
planet in the known universe (of course we only know extremely slight
and insignificant bits about 0.0000000000000000001% [1e-21] of this
universe), whereas no matters how much we clean up our act Earth will
never again see another ice age, especially as we retain our own nearby
orbiting mascon that's tidal and IR/FIR warming us to death, plus that
little pesky matter as our solar system orbits us closer to the Sirius
star/solar system, which by the way isn't exactly going to put any spare
ice upon Earth unless we're getting hit by another icy snowball from
encountering the Sirius Kuiper/Oort hell, or perhaps if somehow this
interstellar encounter manages to skew an icy Sedna into heading our
way.
No boat rocking is allowed:
The likes of our MESSENGER and NEW HORIZONS are each in the process
doing their spendy wag-thy-dog missions, and unfortunately the ESA Venus
EXPRESS mission is still flying low in their usual need-to-know
taboo/nondisclosure stealth mode, playing it extra damage-control safe
and cozy until their PFS instruments gets into action, if ever, so
there's not actually good or bad news to report.
God forbid, don't tell the truth:
Our mascon worthy moon is still physically dark, as well an extremely
hot/cold environment and otherwise unavoidably being it's terribly
reactive self in more ways than just gamma and hard-X-rays, however
Venus may have become the rarest of any planet that's hosting
intelligent other life, but then Earth may soon enough become just as
rare, as it's not only going to eventually become a world w/o sufficient
magnetosphere and otherwise w/o sufficient atmosphere, as well as it
used to be w/o our global warming moon, but at least it's inhabitance
are clearly operating as though w/o hardly a stitch of remorse and as
though w/o so much as hosting half a village idiot Usenet mind of it's
own (I believe it's called faith based base jumping, except without a
bungy cord or parachute).
Usenet MIB are still kicking butt:
The vast bulk of topics within this Usenet naysay land of what's
typically mainstream denial upon denial have become absolutely silly
and/or wussy, of no actual importance to much of anything that matters.
The potentially serious topics are those most often being systematically
stalked, bashed, infomercial skewed and/or having been intentionally
mutated in order to effectively banish such topics until otherwise
forced to suit the all-knowing mainstream status quo, especially getting
tormented to death if it isn't something 100+% pro-Jewish.
Where's the truth and nothing but the truth:
It has been so freaking obvious that we're being given and forced to
accept such infomercial butt loads of mainstream intellectual crapolla,
at best published upon used toilet paper and at our expense instead of
simply allowing and sharing the truth, in so much as only the truly dumb
and dumber souls that are well past their dumbfounded point of no return
are the ones still thinking their corrupted and/or bogus systems of
governments, agencies and of their religious puppeteers can somehow be
fixed with yet another ruse, another sting, another lie, another
perpetrated war, and if need be having Christ put back on that stick for
good measure.
Truth only has to be that which is deduced from the best available
science of the day, and such truth should therefore fit rather nicely
within the regular laws of physics, whereas infomercial-science needs
only to beget itself because, it only has to comply as to whatever fits
into their social/religious conditional laws of physics. Any lack of
evidence that should have existed in support of the status quo is
therefore standing as good as it gets, and simply can't be revised nor
argued or even suggested as being any part of their grand ruse/sting
that has most of us firmly gripped by our private parts, and the likes
of this Usenet and NASA's Uplink.Space has become the eGod(s) that's in
charge of enforcing such.
According to the Gods and wizards of Usenet; Columbus discovered
America first, only Shakespeare wrote every last word, intelligent life
only got created and coexisted here on Earth, a mere 60:1 ratio of
rocket/payload with a 30% inert GLOW is far more than sufficient for
doing our passive moon, Kodak film works entirely different while on or
anywhere near our moon, global warming has absolutely nothing to do with
humanity, and apparently God is Jewish (period, end of discussion). The
matter fact of there being hard scientific evidence stipulating
otherwise isn't even allowed to coexist, much less advance towards the
front of the line.
Brad Guth
required)
As I've informed our Usenet resident anti-global-warming avenger "Roger
Coppock", that I'd go so far as to agree that humanity is worth as much
as 25% of our global warming fiasco, but that's about it.
Here's a fully "science friendly" solution that's technically doable and
way past due. OOPS! I forgot that your all or nothing mindset of
naysayism is still in the usual fail-safe mode of denial, as to
banishing the mere thought of our moon having any impact whatsoever upon
our environment. After all, isn't it so much simpler to exclude the
evidence afforded by hard-science, and to otherwise avoid having to use
those pesky regular laws of physics?
What we badly need is a good or even not so good other planet or moon,
intended for sequestering those individuals that simply refuse to accept
the mainstream status quo of infomercial science and of infomercial
history. Of course, I'm being silly, as it should be the other way
around, or didn't you folks realize that part?
Got that "Prison Planet" ??? why the hell not Ceres ???
http://cosmic.lifeform.org/
Thomas Lee Elifritz,
Other than the prospects of getting a little crowded, perhaps "Ceres -
The Fifth Planet From A Star Called The Sun" can become our "Prison
Planet" should be looked into.
However, perhaps otherwise our extremely nearby and not so very old
Venus could also be utilized as is, such as in place of sending folks
that have failed to assimilate into the mainstream status quo to hell.
This nearby alternative would be a darn good thing for "A government
that repeatedly makes bad decisions, resulting in worsening conditions
for the country it runs."
Better yet for a "A government run by an intellectually challenged
leader."
Best of all for "A nation comprised of intellectually challenged
citizens."
But what otherwise to do if we're having to continually deal with all
the rest of those village idiots that are merely dumbfounded past the
point of no return?
Too bad we still can't even get ourselves close enough to our own moon
without frying our frail DNA, much less walking on that physically dark
and otherwise downright nasty surface. However, going underground
should be entirely possible, as offering us a terrific 'Prison Moon'
alternative that we can obviously keep a close eye on those bastards
we've sent there for their own damn good.
Brad Guth
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.news/browse_frm/thread/857286b12605bdc3/5ede22fbd03fdc31?lnk=st&q=esa+venus+october&rnum=1&hl=en#5ede22fbd03fdc31
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEM65OV74TE_0.html
"The thermal radiation coming from the oven-hot surface of Venus is
represented by the intensity of the colours: the brighter the colour
(towards white), the more radiation comes from the surface, so the less
cloudy the region in the line of sight between the view and the
spacecraft is."
At least ESAs Venus EXPRESS (VIRTIS) team has been correctly stipulating
as to the primary source of the local atmospheric thermal energy, being
that of the geothermally active surface itself and NOT the supposed
atmospheric greenhouse as we've been told over and over by our team of
NASA wizards. The rather obvious thermal differentials depicted by
these latest IR imaging results do in fact clearly depict as to a wide
range of thermal properties, that which makes for the nighttime season
of Venus into something extremely interesting and potentially viable for
future expeditions, at least by way of rigid airship.
The atmospheric temperature of the nighttime season is obviously much
cooler than by day, though obviously the geothermally active surface
radiated thermal energy isn't going to be all that much less than by
day.
Unfortunately, the ESA/VIRTIS team of supposed Venus wizards are still
deathly afraid of our MIB, as to share anything that could be in any way
specific as to their ongoing survey, that even without their nifty PFS
instrument is more than good enough to have established various
atmospheric thermal layers or zones to within +/- 10 K. I guess ESA
isn't quite as independent of our ruse/sting of the century as we'd
thought, or at least hoped for.
Brad Guth
spite of all that's NASA:
Too bad that we're still not quite smart enough to establish the
efficient LSE-CM/ISS or even so much as the VL2 platform. God forbid we
should actually advance our personal knowledge and widen our
intellectual scope while exploring and taking from whatever's nearest to
Earth.
Global warming that's clearly been contributed to by way of our
extremely massive moon, as having only been with us since the last ice
age, plus our ongoing albedo dimming efforts via the pillaging and
raping of mother Earth along with our nifty soot, CO2, NOx and a rather
toxic brew of other substances is only going to get worse, not that it
isn't sufficiently bad enough as is. However, as our life essential
magnetosphere once again sinks into the nearest toilet, the SAA comes to
represent covering most of Earth, and subsequently our frail DNA takes
yet another unfortunate dive for the worse, whereas chances are looking
somewhat better off than ever for the prospects of our frail DNA
formulated bodies and souls being accommodated within the nicely
protective environment of Venus.
The warm and fuzzy Venusian facts:
The plant Venus is very much alive and kicking it's own rather newish
planetology butt, and as such it'll easily accommodate frying most any
other naked posterior that comes to visit it's geothermally hot soil and
rock. However, if you weren't entirely dumbfounded and actually went in
person to Venus with at least half a village idiot's brain, and
therefore didn't plan upon intentionally trying to step in or much less
walk upon all of that supposed melted lead we keep hearing about,
whereas chances are that with some degree of dumb luck and a touch of
applied technology you'd be perfectly fine and dandy, that is up until
you ran yourself out of ice cold beer or having a malfunctioning
CO2-->CO/O2 system because, within that sort of toasty pressure you'd
need that cold beer and roughly 0.5% O2 with perhaps the remainder in H2
in order to manage your survival within that extra hot and dry surface
environment.
In other words, going to Venus in the buff is not a viable option unless
you're planning upon staying within your energy efficient rigid airship,
as you take advantage of the crystal clear, relatively calm and
extremely buoyant and nicely retrograde atmosphere throughout the entire
expedition.
But silly me for thinking the least bit outside that all-knowing
mainstream status quo box, where supposedly only the likes of
sufficiently wet and life infested planets as Earth are acceptable to
being the one and only intelligent life that matters, as in no matters
how intelligent and/or evolutionary advance such other life might be, we
human species are apparently all that counts, even if that ET life were
to be Jewish isn't any assurance that we're not going to take those
unfortunate actions that got so much of our species in trouble before.
The new and improved information about Venus isn't exactly easy to come
by. Venus is somewhat like our taboo/nondisclosure moon, in that the
truth about much of anything is currently sequestered as though it's a
deep dark hocus-pocus secret.
Even ESA's Venus EXPRESS/(VIRTIS) mission is still having to operate in
stealth science mode of protecting our all-knowing lord NASA plus on
behalf of GOOGLE's NOVA and even covering for TIME, National Geographic
and Smithsonian plus a bloody host of so many other infomercial media
spewing butts, while also having to cover all of those hoity toity
British infomercial spewing posteriors with all of their supposedly
straight and narrow butt-crack worth of their very own MI of mainstream
status quo or bust at all possible cost, which is a little unfortunate
because of the wealth of such nifty science that's new and improved as
currently being derived specifically via ESA's VIRTIS mission is exactly
what it is. Supposedly team VIRTIS is still having to make due without
their nifty PFS instrument as being somewhat their science corner stone,
whereas PFS is what technically represents a good 75% worth of their
science effort that's either down for the count or having been
officially sequestered until they can figure out what to do with the
likes of little old me.
Too bad the warm and fuzzy likes of John Ackerman are so terribly
mindset and/or simply not mighty enough individuals as to put up yet
another good fight, nor are others of such open mindsets willing to step
up to this extremely hot-plate of whatever the newish geothermal
planetology of what this geothermally active Venusian environment
beholds.
Brad Guth
existing/coexisting in spite of all that's NASA: However, too bad that
we're still not quite smart enough to establish the efficient LSE-CM/ISS
actually advance our personal knowledge and widen our intellectual scope
while exploring and taking from whatever's nearest to Earth.
Global warming that's clearly been contributed to by way of our
extremely mascon worthy moon (as having only been with us since the last
ice age), plus our ongoing albedo dimming efforts via the pillaging and
raping of mother Earth along with our nifty soot, CO2, NOx and a rather
toxic brew of other substances is only going to get worse, not that it
isn't sufficiently bad enough as is. However, as our life essential
magnetosphere once again sinks into the nearest toilet, the SAA comes to
represent covering most of Earth, and subsequently our frail DNA takes
yet another unfortunate dive for the worse, whereas chances are looking
somewhat better off than ever for the prospects of our frail DNA
formulated bodies and souls being accommodated within the nicely
protective environment of Venus.
The warm and fuzzy Venusian facts:
The planet Venus is very much alive and kicking it's very own rather
Brad Guth
topic/author banishment Usenet from hell.
As I've often said before, that many of you folks are more naysay
mindset and thereby anti-think-tank worthy than our resident LLPOF
warlord(GW Bush). Being without remorse is also par for this Usenet
course that's oddly having more than it's fair share of devout
born-again atheist that are rather oddly pro-Jewish and otherwise about
as faith-based as you can possibly get into being pro-Bush at the same
time, and thus more status quo than most anywhere else on Earth.
Firstly, our salty moon and of it's more than somewhat lethal surface
environment was perhaps once upon a time doable if such other life had
originally been residing as sequestered within the 262 km thick layer of
salty ice, or having since migrated sufficiently deep within hollow
rilles or perhaps within geode pockets where there's still some degree
of a brine or other mineral/chemical substance containing h2o. Life as
we know it (spores, microbes and larger) doesn't actually require direct
sunlight, and sufficiently intelligent life can simply devise whatever
artificial light that a given situation demands (proper evolution and/or
intelligent design gives life bioluminance capability and if need be
better eyes that are 100 fold more sensitive, plus others as having far
greater spectrum capability than us humans).
I'll also contribute that the humanly subjective science of
observationology and those regular laws of physics go hand and hand with
most other deductive analogies that are usually accepted on behalf
whatever's promoting the mainstream status quo, whereas such there's all
sorts of viable possibilities that are currently available on behalf of
those rationally deductive interpretations of what's to be seen on
behalf of that rather nearby other planet having accommodated such
Venusian and/or ET life, as to having been existing/coexisting upon
Venus in spite of their extremely buoyant and toasty environment that
offers so freaking much spare/renewable energy to all but the most
heathen species of village idiots.
Venus is without question humanly hot because of the relatively newish
planetology of it's geothermally active environment, but it's not
actually the least bit insurmountably too hot or even too nasty as for
intelligent and/or of sufficiently evolved/adapted life to touch, nor as
having survived within that toasty environment for quite some time.
Perhaps that very same constructive analogy may even include us wussy
humans if we'd care to apply a little common sense worth of technology,
as based once again upon those pesky regular laws of physics.
As far as we know, the raw Venusian atmosphere isn't directly compatible
with our existing biological and/or physiological requirements of having
to accomplish whatever future expeditions of Venus while in the buff.
However, with some degree of co2-->co/o2 via applied technology is about
all that it should take in order to improve upon those breathable
requirements on our behalf.
With energy, most everything under the sun becomes doable, and Venus
simply has way more than it's fair share of fully renewable/spare energy
than either of us can shake a bloody fist full of flaming sticks at, and
therefore little if any such energy for whatever processing and/or
accomplishing of whatever task need be imported from Earth. Isn't that
good news, or what?
At least for the task of accomplishing Venus, as such we don't have to
pack along those extra tonnes of nuclear reactors. In fact, with a
composite rigid airship, there's no actual good reason(s) as to set a
human hot foot on that deck.
Brad Guth
Venus offers a somewhat rare planet as having rather easily accommodated
other intelligent life, whereas Earth with it's somewhat recently
obtained moon (since the last ice age) and as such having subsequently
accommodated our seasons and having contributed extensively to our vast
and salty oceans, is simply chuck full of summarily dumbfounded folks
that are well past the point of no return, made possible because of all
our insurmountable bigotry, arrogance and faith-based greed that'll
knowingly put one of it's own kind on a stick or having sent off the
troops in order to exterminate whomever.
Further proof that I'm right; Take to mentioning anything as to our
losing .05%/year of our magnetosphere, and of what that topic alone
represents to life as we know it, and lo and behold, all the supposed
intellectual lights in this anti-think-tank of a mostly naysay Usenet go
out. Is that what a denial of denial is all about, or what?
The ongoing NASA/Apollo orchestrated lie is simply a little icing on the
cake of disinformation that has to continually utilize those conditional
laws of physics, and of having to applying as much infomercial-science
as they can manage to hype and get away with.
However, even ESA's latest efforts of sharing the new and improved truth
about Venus or of anything related to our moon or even that of our
moon's L1 isn't going to be an easy task when they and our NASA had
previously established so much other infomercial-science that was
entirely skewed and/or bogus about Venus and our moon.
Perhaps ESA's Venus EXPRESS is not nearly as alive as it should be,
especially since they're not about to be sharing squat worth of whatever
their PFS instrument is having to say. It could be called ESA's version
of sequestered or taboo/nondisclosure science, and I do believe it's
that simple.
Brad Guth
(topic/author banishment worthy) on behalf of Venus. Too bad ESA's
Venus EXPRESS team of supposed wizards are currently sequestered until
those NASA/Apollo cows manage to come home.
Exploring Venus with a Composite Rigid Airship
Where necessary having a meter thick insulative skin that's made
extensively of the 4.84 GPa basalt fibers (Elastic modulus GPa of 89)
and otherwise of basalt micro-balloons, plus a fair percentage of having
those not so micro balloons that might as well contain H2 or simply
incorporate a good vacuum, is what should obtain the structurally
insulative R-1024/m that'll also benefit from the local 65 kg/m3 worth
of buoyancy, which should cut the net tonnage or cubic density of that
outer hull plus offsetting much of the airship's internal framing and
various infrastructure aspects of decks and structured compartments by
as great as 50%, though perhaps at first a 25% offset of the total
structural consideration that's due to the cubic volumetric buoyancy
factor is more than likely going to be the case.
Of course the primary buoyancy that afforded by it's volumetric shell
needn't be nearly as insulative, just made robust and otherwise tough
enough in order to take the submarine like pressure of perhaps 2000 psi
(138 bar), or perhaps not even 10% of that much if using a displacement
gas such as H2 that can be created while on the fly.
Tossing in the 90.5% gravity as offering yet another attractive factor
is what should rather nicely facilitate this form of Venusian
exploration as a technological done deal, that which airframe size or
total volume of this rigid airship (AKA fat waverider/shuttle) is nearly
a none issue except for having to fend off all of the usual mainstream
flak that's to be expected from those naysay mindsets that wouldn't so
much as accept the truth even if it meant salvaging their own status quo
butts.
I believe the necessary R&D on behalf of accomplishing this Venusian
rigid airship/(fat waverider/shuttle or whatever robotic probe) isn't
even all that insurmountable, as for being terrestrial constructed and
fully proof-tested right here on Earth, especially if at first we're
talking about a purely robotic application which wouldn't demand 1% of
the mass if pertaining to merely sustaining each of the various
scientific instrumentation demands.
As far as accomplishing this task robotically, we're not talking about
all that large nor aerodynamically configured worth of any such craft
(could be just a rigid sphere of an airship), nor would the onboard
energy demands be all that daunting. The nicely retrograde weather
that's relatively calm below them nifty acidic clouds is actually a
rather terrific efficiency consideration that'll nearly always work on
behalf of enhancing much of the expedition's navigating considerations,
thereby very little propulsion energy is going to be required.
Of CCD's and other ICs on diamond, or simply employing miniature vacuum
tube applications are going to more than function as being entirely
within their thermal spec, meaning that little if any auxiliary cooling
need be applied.
So, one should be thinking on behalf of robotically flown rigid airships
being anything from a few cubic meters to as large as you'd dare to
achieve, and of those humanly operated rigid airships of anything from
as little as 1,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3 should be seriously considered.
Unlike having to accomplish our moon, there's nothing about this rigid
airship technology that's technically outside the expertise and scope of
existing science and proven technology that'll efficiently and safely
operate within the Venusian atmosphere, as well as entirely within the
regular laws of physics.
Extreme high temperature diamond IC's insteasd of merely silicon carbide
(SiC) for high temperature semiconductor applications, whereas SiC works
perfectly fine even when it's glowing hot, and if the process of doping
diamond isn't too pesky is where this element of diamond (C) should take
over whenever the SiC application isn't quite sufficient. A less
densely populated high temperature rated IC would obviously demand
perhaps as great a 10 fold increase in area, therefore a CCD on SiC or C
of 50 micron pixels (possibly as tightly populated at 25 micron/pixels)
should be doable within existing technology.
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT2000/5000/5510okojie.html
Conventional IC gate densities that might achieve 100000 gates/mm2
should become merely 10000 gates/mm2, although I believe 15000 gates/mm2
is entirely doable and at that being way overkill for the Venusian
applications that's nearly always operating within something less than
the worse case of 811 K.
Within a conventional 0.35 micron process, a gate density of 18000 gates
per square millimeter can be achieved, whereas dividing that gate
population by a factor of 10 is obviously worthy of laying down 1800
gates/mm2 that'll more than survive the thermal trauma with a few
roasting degrees to spare.
What this means is that folks that would rather drop dead than to
utilize vacuum tube circuitry that's more than suited to surviving 900 K
should be right at home on the toasty range of cruising within the
nighttime season of that geothermally roasting Venusian deck, using
their SiC or C alternatives in thermally tolerant ICs that are simply
less populated devices than the norm. However, since internal
probe/airship space and whatever mass isn't hardly a factor, so what's
the difference.
In spite of what all we've been informed of over and over, Venus is more
than technically doable as is. Though having been geothermally toasty
and very much alive and kicking that rather newish planetology butt,
it's simply not too hot nor too nasty to go visit, at least from the
relative safety of a good composite rigid airship.
Art Deco
>Here's a little more of what's currently taboo/nondisclosure
>(topic/author banishment worthy) on behalf of Venus. Too bad ESA's
>Venus EXPRESS team of supposed wizards are currently sequestered until
>those NASA/Apollo cows manage to come home.
Poor Brad, he's so ignored.
>
>Exploring Venus with a Composite Rigid Airship
Hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahah
You must be desperate if you are draggingh Venusian Zeppelin out of
mothballs, Brad.
[screed flushed]
--
COOSN-266-06-39716
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
Brad Guth
deeply within their own cesspool of need-to-know infomercial science,
whereas it seems Earth's surface of such extensive vertical formations
hasn't been quite as plate tectonic and erosion formulated as you'd
think.
In addition to what Velikovsky and a few others may have had
sufficiently right about Venus and our moon, as of each having arrived
somewhat more recently than we've been informed, there's a little more
here and there about good old mother Earth and of our having obtained
that moon to behold, as considerably more interesting than what our
extensively Jewish moderated media and of their MI/NSA Usenet from hell
has been willing to share.
Obviously these 'Old Testament' bible thumping, fossil fuel sucking and
nasty soot producing folks still haven't so much as a shred of
hard-scientific evidence to share, that's got our absolutely horrific
orbiting mascon of such a physically dark and salty moon as belonging to
Earth as of much prior to 10,000 BC. Have you folks ever so much as
bothered to check out any other planet/moon mass ratios? (obviously
that's another one of my silly trick questions because, of course you
haven't)
In Usenet naysay land: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/dfb902b1dd5c4967/ffca827d4e2c8fee?hl=en#ffca827d4e2c8fee
From: zzbu...@netscape.net
> It's simple to get on the outs with mainstream astronomy.
> Anything that does not agree to 100 decimal places
> with the plate tectonic theory of Gaia/Pangea.
> gets you out of astronomy and into super-robots.
By way of "super robots" you mean by way of the MIB sorts of incest
cloned borg minions of this extremely brown-nosed naysay Usenet, as
having demonstrated time and again that they'll do whatever it takes in
order to put the breaks, termination and/or apply their kibosh form of
topic banishment upon any such notions of true geology, or for that
matter trashing down upon any number of other truths that have not been
allowed to coexist, all because such honest swags obviously weren't
preapproved by these Jewish infomercial spewing lords, nor do our best
of outsider intentions otherwise fit into their cult like mainstream
status quo mindset of what has to suit thy Old Testament, or else.
Question their social/political ulterior motives or hidden Old Testament
intentions and they all claim being as atheistic as they come, yet
they're consistently yaysay upon damn near everything that's either
Jewish or GW Bush worthy, and otherwise naysay on most anything Muslim,
Christian or JFK like. In fact, the lower 99.9% of humanity and that of
our badly failing global environment seems not the least bit worth
mainstream squat in the eyes of those in charge of whatever gets
moderated to death and/or selectively promoted and hyped by this Usenet.
Cutting any new and improved trail is apparently another
taboo/nondisclosure fiasco that's worth an all-out WW-III effort of
tossing as much flak as possible within this anti-think-tank of a Usenet
from hell, that which otherwise suits their Jewish Old Testament exactly
as is, just like they tend to support everything that's GW Bush and by
enlarge they don't believe humanity has anything whatsoever to do with
global warming (of which you folks should appreciate, that because of
our being so extensively global warmed to death by our moon is the
reason why I don't entirely disagree with some of their arguments).
: Ancient Crash, Epic Wave
: By Sandra Blakeslee
: Published: November 14, 2006
: source: New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/14/science/14WAVE.html?8dpc=&_r=1&pagewanted=all
> Ted Bryant, a geomorphologist at the University of Wollongong in
> New South Wales, Australia, was the first person to recognize the
> palm prints of mega-tsunamis. Large tsunamis of 30 feet or more
> are caused by volcanoes, earthquakes and submarine landslides, he
> said, and their deposits have different features.
I'd have to say that Ted Bryant being a "geomorphologist" seems a rather
interesting expertise that we could all use in order to further
appreciate what large impacts accomplished on behalf of creating some of
the most interesting parts of our geophysical environment. Such as the
Hudson Bay impact crater as having caused the extent of Himalayan
mountain range, or via the arctic ocean basin impactor that managed to
push up the antarctic land mass, and so forth.
Clearly without such impact modifications to Earth's physically wet and
previously having been an extensively icy and/or somewhat frosty
monoseason environment with only a solar tide, as such this would have
meant even less available dry land and much less vertical terrain than
we have as of today.
The last time I'd checked, the surface of Earth was still a whole lot
more of water than dry land, and especially as having originally been
more uniformly roundish before having been impacted and thereby having
obtained all of that extra salty ice from our arriving moon. As such,
there should be some rather impressive looking oceanic basin imprints of
such past encounters, of perhaps having caused a good sized ocean basin
imprint by a given icy proto-moon of roughly 4000 km, such as having
impacted Earth on one given side along with having caused a few
drastically pushed up mountains on the opposite/antipode side, plus
causing lots of seriously weird stuff in between.
After all, it obviously took something of a fairly horrific glancing
bump in the night in order to reshape the surface and subsequently
change our somewhat frosty monoseason environment, into one having such
extreme summer/winter seasons along with obtaining those extra nifty
mascon contributed tides, plus having received more salty ice than we
could possibly have known what to do with.
There shouldn't be any question that Earth had been seriously impacted
more than once. Of course, this shoots a few more holes than SpongeBob
SquarePants has into that Old Testament thumping worth of any singular
'Big Bang' theory.
Perhaps the next such near miss or God forbid lethal impact is where
we'll have more than 4 days notice from our crack NASA wizards.
zzbu...@netscape.net
Usenet has nothing to do with it. Since Usenet
is nothing but permaent OJT for
IBM System 360 hire-ons,
:Super Robots are the kind that mine orbiting asteroids,
rather than sunken asteroids.
Brad Guth
news:1163654479.8...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
> Usenet has nothing to do with it. Since Usenet is nothing
> but permaent OJT for IBM System 360 hire-ons,
>
> :Super Robots are the kind that mine orbiting asteroids,
> rather than sunken asteroids.
And please do tell, this weird little contribution has what if anything
to do with accomplishing Venus or on behalf of global warming or
whatever LLPOF alternative bag of off-topic smoke and mirrors you've got
in your silly mindset?
-
Brad Guth
mindset, and otherwise of the anti-think-tank intent of this
damage-control Usenet. We clearly see that your growing up hasn't quite
worked out according to plan, has it. We can only surmise that it must
be a genetic de-evolution if not an incest spawn mutation flaw that's
specifically within your DNA that's preventing any form of give or take
deductive reasoning, as in allowing none whatsoever.
Here's what the open mindset of "bigbear" recently contributed, and that
of my reply.
"bigbear" <big...@bearfabrique.org> wrote in message
news:1164722660....@45g2000cws.googlegroups.com
> What you will find if you dig deep enough is that pretty much all of
> the raw data taken by the Pioneer Venus probe in 79 indicated the
> planet was seriously out of thermal balance and that scientists wrote a
> number of papers purportedly explaining how each of the tests had
> failed since they assumed that the answers which the probe was sending
> back were all wrong, because those answers were clearly incompatible
> with Sagan's greenhouse explanation for the extreme surface
> temperatures.
Science, government and especially religions have always excluded
whatever evidence rocked thy boat. If it can't be excluded, whereas you
simply reinterpret such and hype the living crapolla out of it until
such skewed notions becomes the one and only mainstream status quo that
suits your ulterior motives and whatever hidden agendas. Again, it's
exactly what mainstream religions and government does best.
> The place you'd normally start digging would be a huge and expensive
> book titled "VENUS", Hunton, Colin, Donahue, Moroz, Univ. of Ariz.
> Press, 1983, ISBN 0-8165-0788-0.
Thanks much. I'll try to find a copy of such, or at least that of
appreciating whatever has been extracted and shared by others, such as
yourself. Otherwise, it seems we're stuck with our having to accept the
mere interpretations as to whatever these mainstream official bigots of
skewed infomercial-science on a big old ugly stick are having to say.
> One article of particular interest in that book is by F.W. Taylor who
> shows in exquisite detail why actual albedo readings taken by the probe
> indicate the planet being badly out of thermal balance, and then cites
> an albedo value which would yeild balance as being the "most probable"
> value.
I also very much like John Ackerman's Venus friendly interpretation of
the S8 element, of what had otherwise been officially excluded if not
entirely banished by the status quo mindset that simply had to uphold
and thus maintain their silly one and only greenhouse theory, or else.
> Several IR flux meters on landing probes also indicated a steep upwards
> ir flux which also indicates a planet out of thermal balance and, again
> as I noted, the official papers "explain" how all of those probes
> "failed". They do not bother to try to explain why the people in
> charge of that part of the project (themselves) were not summarily
> shitcanned for failing to oversee the proper manufacture of so simple
> an instrument in even one case out of several.
I'm thinking ESA's Venus EXPRESS science as obtained from their PFS
instrument is actually working perfectly fine and dandy, just having
been nicely and rather easily sequestered on ice, remaining as a
nondisclosure/need-to-know basis of science that's not quite ready for
our prime time viewing. It's what governments and especially Old
Testament controlled government has always done in the past, continues
as of the present day and most likely is going to prevail into the
foreseeable future.
> The only answer to all of that which I continue to hear in recent years
> is that the crust of the planet is too thick to allow the escape of so
> much heat, but that is an assumption and not anything which has ever
> been measured. They assume the crust would require a certain
> thickness to support the observed topography; the other possibility is
> that topography is simply being thrown up as fast as it can melt back
> down.
Apparently the mainstream status quo can assume all they want, and for
making such assumptions stick all the way into science journals and of
countless institutional/educational textbooks, and making such as
graduate required reading none the less. Again, it's what religions and
their puppet governments have done from the very beginnings of recorded
time.
Venus may simply be a billion or so years less old than Earth, and of
all those newish looking craters that must have transpired when there
wasn't nearly as much atmosphere to deal with are also indications as to
the relative age of a world that's not quite ready for sustaining life
as we know it. According to all sorts of official data, Venus has more
than it's fair share of active volcanic makings, as though it's an
ongoing and somewhat newish planetology process that's still in the
natural evolution of cooling itself off. So, what's the big deal?
Brad Guth
infomercial hyped that, as in take it or leave it. Guess what, folks, I
elect to leave it in the nearest space-toilet, where it belongs.
Mars co2 inventory (even though most of it can be seen) is essentially
unknown. How can this be the case?
Is the bulk inventory of CO2 on Mars yet another one of those
taboo/nondisclosure fiascos, like most anything we'd like to know about
our physically dark, salty and cosmic morgue of a moon that's keeping us
a little extra toasty, or much less that of appreciating our extremely
nearby and rather newish planetology of Venus?
Dry ice Martian snow, as such is not hardly getting compacted,
especially not while at Mars gravity and near vacuum, whereas at best we
might see a maximum density of 0.15 g/cm3 (roughly 10% of highly
compacted or clear/solid CO2), although the typical or average co2/snow
density might be more like that of 0.05 g/cm3, with lighter drifts
representing as little as 0.01 g/cm3.
Therefore, a given Mars winter that's capable of covering a vast area,
but at most building up 2 meters of such wussy dry snow, isn't hardly of
any bulk mass of CO2 to start off with, especially since so much of the
fluffy coverage is less than a tenth meter in depth.
Fluid Core Size of Mars from Detection of the Solar Tide
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/300/5617/299
"The solar tidal deformation of Mars, measured by its k2 potential Love
number, has been obtained from an analysis of Mars Global Surveyor radio
tracking. The observed k2 of 0.153 ± 0.017 is large enough to rule out a
solid iron core and so indicates that at least the outer part of the
core is liquid. The inferred core radius is between 1520 and 1840
kilometers and is independent of many interior properties, although
partial melt of the mantle is one factor that could reduce core size.
Ice-cap mass changes can be deduced from the seasonal variations in air
pressure and the odd gravity harmonic J3, given knowledge of cap mass
distribution with latitude. The south cap seasonal mass change is about
30 to 40% larger than that of the north cap."
After all of this precious time and loot invested, it looks as though
the Mars core heat transfer rate is still up for grabs, although a
little more is known about Earth's core.
Earth's core thermal transfer or "heat flow" of what eventually becomes
surface to atmosphere to space transfer = 25.43 mw/m2
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=21354
"Extrapolating to the entire surface of the core gave a total heat flow
of about 13 trillion watts."
Mars core "heat flow" is obviously next to zilch, if any more than a
fractional mw/m2 by the time of exiting away from the surface. Starting
off at a tidal moon like core temperature of supposedly 1727°C (as based
entirely upon theories rather than hard-science) isn't hardly good
enough to make toast.
The Venus core "heat flow" is also up for grabs, although it's more than
likely truly horrific (especially taking into account the numerous
active lava, hot muds and gas venting of what's obviously geothermal
[newish planetology] driven and existing just about damn near any place
you'd care to venture), as in off the scale of likely being worthy of
transferring nearly a joule/m2 if not considerably greater. No wonder
it's so freaking hot and nasty on Venus.
Brad Guth
news:54cee22f660f7b681af...@mygate.mailgate.org
Venus is just getting itself started at kicking it's own DNA butt, and
Mars DNA has long been kicked and otherwise cosmic zapped to death.
The Venusian environment can at least accommodate intelligent other life
in more viable ways than it's being given credit for. There's even good
enough pictures of what's been doable. Yet lo and behold, Venus remains
as the absolute most accessible taboo/nondisclosure other orb in our
solar system, that's easier and much safer than doing our moon.
Unlike our nearly frozen solid to the core of that silly old Mars,
that's also of an environment that's worthy of getting yourself cosmic
TBI and otherwise rather easily pulverised to death while on the
surface, whereas on the relatively newish planetology of Venus there's
hardly any cosmic or nasty forms of solar energy that's DNA lethal
getting through that thick soup of atmosphere, nor is there hardly any
need of digging in in order to find more than your fair share of
geothermal or gas vent issues that can be put directly to the task of
extracting renewable energy on the spot.
The vertical atmospheric thick soup of pressure and thermal differential
factors alone are clearly by themselves more than sufficient to sustain
most any mere half-wit intelligent form of life. That is unless you
were one of these warm and fuzzy naysay Usenet village idiots, in which
case absolutely nothing is possible in the past, present or future, so
why bother.
The ongoing devoid or rather ongoing topic/author banishment of such
viable energy related ideas or even honest swags of viable
considerations from this anti-think-tank of our status quo or bust
naysay Usenet land, that's having been really good at their typically
sucking and blowing worth of infomercial crapolla spewing, is simply
further proof-positive that such renewable energy while on Venus has
been doable.
Venus is in fact a hot place, though actually it's not all that nasty of
an environment, but so what if you've got such access to and having the
sufficient smarts on behalf of utilizing the vast amounts of renewable
energy that's already there to behold?
Just because a given planet or moon is a little too hot, too cold or
even too wet for our naked bodies, doesn't in of itself mean that it's
100+% taboo. Escaping cosmic and solar radiation seems far more of a
life essential important issue, and secondly avoiding whatever's
physically incoming seems like yet another win-win for the old gipper,
especially if it's having to do with avoiding getting seriously smacked
in the butt by way of something that has your name on it.
Venus simply couldn't possibly be any more newish, alive and kicking on
the door of other life, especially on behalf of accommodating
intelligent other life, possibly even of a few locally evolved species
isn't outside the Venusian box. Although, I suppose if there's lots of
cosmic radiated and otherwise meteorite pulverised dry-ice, plus
whatever remains of that sub-frozen regular old Mars ice that's perhaps
near solid to the very icy dead (older than Earth) core of Mars is still
somehow life worthy, then so be it.
Pro-Mars folks should simply impress us, as in knocking our socks off,
if they can. I'm absolutely certain that millions of years ago Mars
could have had a touch of life to spare, and back a good billion some
odd years even better odds yet for sustaining sizable (larger than
rad-hard microbe) forms of such other life.
BTW; if the bleak realm of that Mars of today has any remainders of
life to behold, then upon our own pesky moon that's still more than a
touch salty is absolutely loaded to the gills with it's local and cosmic
DNA morgue worth of nifty spores, and you name it.
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:54cee22f660f7b681af...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>Venus is just getting itself started at kicking it's own DNA butt, and
>Mars DNA has long been kicked and otherwise cosmic zapped to death.
>
>The Venusian environment can at least accommodate intelligent other life
>in more viable ways than it's being given credit for. There's even good
You must be desperate for attention again if you are trying to
resurrect this tired old thread, Brad.
Brad Guth
Silly boys and to all the usual damage-control borg troops of the
infomercial spewing clowns of Usenet's intellectual black hole.
I say again; Why bother with the ongoing ruse, or otherwise with the
daunting and nearly insurmountable task of having to terraform Venus,
when it's simply more than good enough as is?
Venusian Composite Rigid Airship: so what's the big insurmountable
deal?
Why the hell not invest the necessary R&D into creating a viable
composite rigid airship (hybrid Skylon or fat waverider spaceplane), on
behalf of our doing Venus?
It's not even all that hocus-pocus or having to involve the pesky likes
of all those NASA/Apollo smoke and mirrors, instead it's simply doable
within the regular laws of physics as is. The actual rigid airship as a
Venusian atmospheric probe that'll function rather nicely below their
nighttime season of clouds needn't be manned, and therefore needn't be
all that large.
Unlike most other planets, or even moons that we know of, Venus is just
getting itself started at kicking it's own DNA butt, and otherwise Mars
DNA has long been kicked, nicely cosmic zapped and then rather nicely
freeze dried to death.
The composite rigid airship as efficiently operating within the highly
buoyant Venusian environment can at least accommodate intelligent other
life in more viable ways than it's being given credit for. There has
even been good enough pictures of what's been doable by others. Yet lo
and behold, Venus remains as the most nearby and absolute most
accessible taboo/nondisclosure other orb in our solar system, that's
none the less easier and much safer than doing our moon.
Unlike our nearly frozen solid to the very core of that silly old Mars,
that's also representing an environment that's worthy of getting
yourself cosmic TBI and otherwise rather easily pulverised to death
while on that nearly naked surface, whereas on the relatively newish and
evolving planetology of Venus there's hardly any cosmic or nasty forms
of solar energy that's DNA lethal getting through all of that thick soup
of atmosphere, nor is there hardly any need of your having to dig in in
order to find more than your fair share of geothermal or terrific gas
vent issues that can be put directly to the task of extracting renewable
energy on the spot.
The vertical atmospheric thick soup of such nifty pressure and thermal
differential factors alone are clearly by themselves more than
sufficient means to sustain most any mere halfwit intelligent form of
life. That is unless you are one of these warm and fuzzy naysay Usenet
village idiots, in which case absolutely nothing is possible in the
past, present or future, so why bother.
The ongoing devoid or rather ongoing topic/author banishment of such
viable energy related ideas or even honest swags of viable
considerations from this anti-think-tank of our status quo or bust
naysay Usenet land, that's having been really good at their typically
sucking and blowing worth of infomercial crapolla spewing on behalf of
all things government and big-energy, is simply further proof-positive
that such renewable energy while on Venusian deck has been doable.
Venus is in fact a hot place, though actually it's not all that nasty of
an environment. But so what if it's hot, as long as you've got such
access to and having the sufficient smarts on behalf of utilizing the
vast amounts of renewable energy that's already there to behold?
Just because a given planet or moon is a little too hot, too cold or
even too wet for our naked bodies or physiological grasp, doesn't in of
itself mean that it's 100+% taboo. Escaping the lethal forms of cosmic
and solar radiation seems by far more of a life essential important
issue, and secondly avoiding whatever's physically incoming seems like
yet another win-win for the old gipper, especially if it's having to do
with avoiding getting seriously smacked in the butt by way of something
that has your name on it.
Venus simply couldn't possibly be any more newish, alive and kicking on
the various doors of accommodating other life, especially on behalf of
rather easily accommodating intelligent other life that's merely
visiting, possibly even of a few locally evolved species isn't outside
of this toasty Venusian box. Although, I suppose if there's lots of
cosmic radiated and otherwise meteorite pulverised dry-ice, plus
whatever remains of that sub-frozen regular old Mars ice that's perhaps
near solid to the very icy dead (older than Earth) core of Mars is still
somehow life worthy, then so be it.
These pro-Mars folks should simply impress us, as in knocking our socks
off, if they can. I'm absolutely certain that as of millions of years
ago Mars could have had a touch of life to spare, and back a good
billion some odd years even better odds yet for having sustained sizable
(larger than rad-hard microbe) forms of such other local life
(intelligent being yet to be proven unless merely visiting).
On the other real and honest hands of utilizing those regular laws of
physics, as such there is absolutely nothing that's so insurmountable
about Venus. Thinking otherwise is only the proof-positive as to how
terribly snookered and dumbfounded past the mindset point of no return
you have become.
BTW; if the absolutely bleak realm of that Mars of today has any
remainders of life to behold, then upon our own pesky moon that's still
more than a touch salty is absolutely loaded to the gills, with it's
local and cosmic DNA morgue worth of nifty spores, and you name it.
BTW No.2; ESA's already at Venus, Russia is going back there next:
where's ours?
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:54cee22f660f7b681af...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>Silly boys and to all the usual damage-control borg troops of the
>infomercial spewing clowns of Usenet's intellectual black hole.
Oh you poor boy, did someone actually dare to laugh at your kooky
Venusian delusions, Brad?
Brad Guth
Venus is actually a very cool planet, especially considering there's so
gosh darn much spare and fully renewable energy to burn (sort of speak).
As such, why the hell bother to terraform a damn thing when it's more
than good enough to go as is?
Venus has only been too hot for the likes of those "Bad Astronomy"
types, and otherwise for having rubbed our NASA the wrong way because,
they're all clearly one in the same collective, meaning they is the
truly bad guys, the MIB kind of cloak and dagger MI6/NSA spooks and
moles as representing the borg like Skull and Bones collective that's
clearly without an actual soul nor so much as a stitch of remorse. They
used to get away with burning us witches and our books at the stake,
though for kid's sake is why prime-time media has to somewhat frown on
that level of action (similar to avoiding being associated with those
having exterminated Cathars or pushing nuns off a bridge which doesn't
exactly promote good PR), so instead they topic/author stalk, bash and
as much as possible take to excluding evidence and/or simply banishing
whatever rocks their good but seriously rotting ship of their's, the USS
LOLLIPOP that's flying that home port flag of "up your's" USA.
I'll say it again Sam; Why bother with sustaining the ongoing ruse, or
otherwise with the daunting and nearly insurmountable task of having to
terraform Venus, when it's simply more than good enough as is?
What's really important to realize, is that we have a serious Venusian
composite rgid airship gap: so what's the big insurmountable deal with
that?
Why the hell not invest the necessary R&D into creating a viable
composite rigid airship (hybrid Skylon or fat waverider spaceplane), on
behalf of our doing Venus in grand style?
It's not even all that hocus-pocus or having to involve the pesky likes
of all those NASA/Apollo smoke and mirrors, instead it's simply doable
within the regular laws of physics as is. The actual rigid airship as a
Venusian atmospheric cruising probe that'll function rather nicely below
their nighttime season of clouds needn't be manned, and therefore
needn't be all that large.
Unlike most other planets, or even moons that we know of, Venus is just
getting itself started at kicking it's own DNA butt, and otherwise Mars
DNA has long been kicked, nicely cosmic zapped and then rather nicely
freeze dried to death.
The composite rigid airship as efficiently operating within the highly
buoyant Venusian environment (say cruising along at 25 km by season of
nighttime and 35 km by season of daytime) can at least accommodate
intelligent other life in more viable ways than it's being given credit
for. There has even been good enough pictures of what's been
accomplished by others. Yet lo and behold, Venus remains as by far the
On the other very real and honest hands of utilizing those regular laws
of physics, as such there is absolutely nothing that's so terribly
insurmountable about Venus. Thinking otherwise is only the
proof-positive as to how completely snookered and dumbfounded past the
mindset point of no return you have become.
BTW; if the absolutely bleak realm of whatever the Mars of today has to
offer of any remainders of Martian ife to behold, then upon our own
pesky moon that's still more than a touch salty is what has to be
absolutely loaded to the gills, with all of it's local and cosmic DNA
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:54cee22f660f7b681af...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>Venus is actually a very cool planet, especially considering there's so
>gosh darn much spare and fully renewable energy to burn (sort of speak).
>As such, why the hell bother to terraform a damn thing when it's more
>than good enough to go as is?
>
>Venus has only been too hot for the likes of those "Bad Astronomy"
Still spamming, Brad?
Brad Guth
Due to the typical topic/author stalking and of their fundamental Old
Testament intent to cause as much topic diversion and/or as much harm as
possible, is exactly why I'm having to repost this following new and
improved context.
The Venusian Composite Rigid Airship: makes Venus accessible.
Venus is actually a very intellectually cool and extra special planet,
especially upon considering there's so much spare and fully renewable
energy to burn (sort of speak). As such, why the hell bother to
terraform a damn thing when it's more than good enough to go as is?
Venus has only been too hot for the likes of those "Bad Astronomy"
types, and otherwise for having rubbed our NASA the wrong way because,
they're all clearly one in the same collective, meaning they is the
truly bad guys, the MIB kind of cloak and dagger MI6/NSA spooks and
moles as representing the borg like Skull and Bones collective that's
clearly without an actual soul nor so much as a stitch of remorse. They
used to get away with burning us witches and our books at the stake,
though for kid's sake is why prime-time media has to somewhat frown on
that level of action (similar to avoiding being associated with those
having exterminated Cathars or pushing nuns off a bridge which doesn't
exactly promote good PR), so instead they topic/author stalk, bash and
as much as possible take to excluding evidence and/or simply banishing
whatever rocks their good but seriously rotting ship of their's, the USS
LOLLIPOP that's flying that home port flag of "up your's" USA.
I'll say it again Sam; Why bother with sustaining the ongoing ruse, or
otherwise with the daunting and nearly insurmountable task of having to
terraform Venus, when it's simply more than good enough as is?
What's really important of us to realize, is that we have a serious
BTW No.2; ESA's already doing Venus, Russia is going back there next:
where's ours?
-
"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message
news:4599a5fd...@news.clara.net
> How would you transport the energy from Venus to Earth .
First of all, screw Earth. I say; Whatever happens in Venus stays in
Venus.
However, utilizing a fairly massive rigid airship as our floating tarmac
or rather elevated launching pad on behalf of accommodating our
interplanetary Skylon or whatever spaceplane, that's of an airship
w/piggyback spaceplane that's capable of cruising at good enough
velocity above the 100 km altitude mark, is what seems rather doable.
As such, I suppose extracting a few hundred tonnes of 80+% uranium
yellowcake as valuable radioactive elements of mostly U238 could offer
an impressive payback.
What's 100 tonnes of the highest purity yellowcake worth these days?
I heard $100/yellowcake pound the other day. That's merely
$224,000/tonne
However, I suppose we could just transport the fully processeed
U238/U239, or as ready to go reactor fuels of 96% U238, and 4% U235 at
roughly $1,500/kg.
In fact, the interplanetary "tomcat" fat waverider or fancy Skylon like
spaceplane itself could become fully nuclear powered via radioactive
elements of U238/U235, as exclusively obtained from Venus.
Old pricing data: < http://www.uic.com.au/nfc.htm >
"Total cost is thus about US$ 1393 for 1 kg enriched fuel, plus about
$240 for actual fuel fabrication. This will yield about 3900 GJ thermal
energy at modern burn-up rates, or about 360,000 kWh of electricity (at
33% thermal efficiency), and does the same job as about 160 tonnes of
steaming coal for a total cost of 0.45 cents/kWh (US$) - a bit more at
lower burn-up."
There's certainly no insurmountable complications in getting the payload
tonnage of whatever's extracted away from Venus. Every 19 months Venus
gets to within nearly 100 fold the distance of our moon (that's close
enough to spit at one another), so the travel time isn't even a big
factor.
All the necessary rocket fuel(s) of CO/O2 plus whatever else can be
locally processed into even better reactive energy is also not the least
bit of a big deal, since all the necessary energy for processing
whatever into damn near anything is already there to behold.
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:54cee22f660f7b681af...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>Due to the typical topic/author stalking and of their fundamental Old
>Testament intent to cause as much topic diversion and/or as much harm as
>possible, is exactly why I'm having to repost this following new and
>improved context.
Spammer.
>
>The Venusian Composite Rigid Airship: makes Venus accessible.
Stupid idea.
[remainder of guthscreed dumped]
Brad Guth
A few more of my usual topic corrections and improvements (the best I
can manage considering all the status quo flak that's tossed my way).
Besides the well insulated and CO2-->CO/O2 thermal heat exchanged
habitat potential that's technically doable within the realm of what's
known to work, the Venusian Composite Rigid Airship is what otherwise
makes Venus truly accessible. Having a to/from spaceplane is a given,
as a Fat Waverider or fancy Skylon whatever, it technically doable
within the known space travel, reentry and launch or exit technologies
that simply do not need to be invented out of thin air, just R&D
assembled and fine tuned to the point of their being reliably safe to
utilize multiple shuttle like times.
It's certainly easy to naysay Venus, but it's easier yet to simply
pillage, plunder and rape mother Venus for all she's worth, and than
some. After all, we've more than proven we can do it to Earth, so why
stop now when we're on such a roll.
The planetology of Venus is what's actually that of a very
intellectually cool and extra special planet, especially upon
considering there's so much spare and fully renewable energy to burn
(sort of speak). As such, why the hell bother to terraform a damn thing
when it's more than good enough to go as is?
Venus has only been promoted as being too hot and nasty for the likes of
those "Bad Astronomy" types, and of most others afraid of their own
shadow, plus for otherwise having rubbed our hocus-pocus NASA the wrong
way because, they're all clearly one in the same mindset collective,
meaning they is the truly bad guys, the MIB kind of cloak and dagger
MI6/NSA spooks and moles as representing the status quo borg like Skull
and Bones collective that's clearly the top naysay king of this world,
except without an actual soul nor so much as a stitch of pesky remorse.
They used to get away with burning us witches and our books at the
stake, though for our kid's sake is why prime-time and mainstream media
has to somewhat frown on that level of action (similar to their avoiding
being associated with those having exterminated Cathars or the likes of
pushing nuns off a bridge which doesn't exactly promote good PR), so
instead they proceed to topic/author stalk, bash and as much as possible
take to excluding evidence and/or simply banishing whatever rocks their
good but seriously rotting ship of their's, the USS LOLLIPOP that's
flying that home port flag of "up your's" USA.
I'll say it again Sam; Why bother with sustaining the ongoing ruse, or
otherwise with the daunting and nearly insurmountable task of having to
terraform Venus, when it's simply more than good enough as is?
What's really important of us to realize, is to appreciate that we have
a serious Venusian composite rigid airship gap: so what's the big
insurmountable deal with that?
Why the hell not invest the necessary R&D into creating a viable
composite rigid airship (hybrid Skylon or fat waverider spaceplane), on
behalf of our doing Venus in grand style?
It's not even all that hocus-pocus or having to involve the pesky likes
of all those NASA/Apollo smoke and mirrors, instead it's simply doable
within the regular laws of physics as is. The actual rigid airship as a
Venusian atmospheric cruising probe that'll function rather nicely below
their nighttime season of clouds needn't be manned, and therefore
needn't be all that large.
Unlike most other planets, or even moons that we know of, Venus is just
getting itself started at kicking it's own DNA butt, and otherwise Mars
DNA has long been kicked, nicely cosmic zapped and then rather nicely
freeze dried to death.
The composite rigid airship as efficiently operating within the highly
buoyant Venusian environment (say cruising along at 25 km by season of
nighttime and 35 km by season of daytime) can at least accommodate our
form of intelligent other life in more viable ways than it's being given
credit for. There has even been good enough SAR obtained pictures of
what's been accomplished by others. Yet lo and behold, Venus remains as
by far the most nearby and absolute most accessible taboo/nondisclosure
other orb in our solar system, that's none the less easier and much
safer than doing our moon.
Unlike our nearly frozen solid to the very core of that silly old Mars,
that's also representing an environment that's worthy of getting
yourself cosmic TBI and otherwise rather easily pulverised to death
while on that nearly naked surface, whereas on the relatively newish and
evolving planetology surface of Venus there's hardly any cosmic or nasty
forms of solar energy that's DNA lethal getting through all of that
thick soup of atmosphere, nor is there hardly any need of your having to
dig in in order to find more than your fair share of geothermal or
terrific gas vent issues that can be put directly to the task of
extracting renewable energy on the spot.
The vertical atmospheric thick soup of such nifty pressure and thermal
differential factors alone are clearly by themselves more than
sufficient means to sustain most any mere halfwit intelligent form of
life. That is unless you are one of these warm and fuzzy naysay Usenet
village idiots, in which case absolutely nothing is possible in the
past, present or future, so why bother.
The ongoing devoid or rather ongoing topic/author banishment of such
viable energy related ideas or even honest swags of any other viable
considerations from this anti-think-tank of our status quo or bust
naysay Usenet land, that's having been really good at their typically
sucking and blowing worth of infomercial crapolla spewing on behalf of
all things government and big-energy, is simply further proof-positive
that such renewable energy while on then Venusian deck has been doable.
Venus is in fact a physically hot place, though actually it's not all
of physics, as such there is absolutely nothing that's so downright
terribly insurmountable about Venus. Thinking otherwise is only the
proof-positive as to how completely snookered and dumbfounded past that
pathetic mindset point of no return you have become.
BTW; if the absolutely bleak realm of whatever that Mars of today has
to offer in the way of sharing any remainders of Martian life there is
to behold, then upon our own pesky moon that's still more than a touch
salty is what has to be absolutely loaded to the gills, with all of it's
local and cosmic DNA morgue worth of nifty spores, and you name it.
BTW No.2; ESA's already doing Venus, Russia is going back there next:
where's ours?
-
"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message
news:4599a5fd...@news.clara.net
> How would you transport the energy from Venus to Earth .
First of all, screw Earth. I say; Whatever happens in Venus stays in
Venus.
However, on behalf of good PR or rather tossing the Earth dog a bone,
utilizing a fairly massive rigid airship as our floating tarmac or
rather elevated launching pad on behalf of accommodating our
interplanetary Skylon or whatever spaceplane, that's of an airship
w/piggyback spaceplane combo that's capable of cruising at good enough
velocity above the 100 km altitude mark, is what seems rather doable.
As such, I suppose extracting a few hundred tonnes of 80+% uranium
yellowcake as valuable radioactive elements, of going after mostly U238
could offer an impressive payback. Venus should have more than it's
fair share of yellowcake, and no GreenPeace or ELF protesters in sight.
What's 100 tonnes of the highest purity yellowcake worth these days?
I heard $100/yellowcake pound the other day. That's merely
$220,462/tonne
However, I suppose we could just transport the fully processeed
U238/U239, or as ready to go reactor fuels of 96% U238, and 4% U235 at
roughly $1,500/kg as of today, perhaps worth $3,000/kg in the near
future.
Old pricing data: < http://www.uic.com.au/nfc.htm >
"Total cost is thus about US$ 1393 for 1 kg enriched fuel, plus about
$240 for actual fuel fabrication. This will yield about 3900 GJ thermal
energy at modern burn-up rates, or about 360,000 kWh of electricity (at
33% thermal efficiency), and does the same job as about 160 tonnes of
steaming coal for a total cost of 0.45 cents/kWh (US$) - a bit more at
lower burn-up."
BTW; our hocus-pocus government is back on the warpath for uncovering
local yellowcake, this time using the ruse of radon(Rn222) gas exposure
as their sneaky means by which they pretend to be giving a tinkers damn
about us village idiots, when in fact they simply want to know exactly
how much yellowcake your home is sitting on, or possibly how badly
contaminated they've made that environment. It's not that we don't have
yellowcake potential, it's just spread out and of relatively low purity
and thus lower energy value (like much of our coal isn't hardly worth
burning for all the trouble and soot plus released toxins and even
radiation that gets deployed via each tonne of spent coal that gets into
our above surface environment that's in the process of failing us in
more ways than mere polution).
In fact, the interplanetary "tomcat" Fat Waverider or fancy Skylon like
spaceplane itself could become fully nuclear powered via those same
radioactive elements of U238/U235, as exclusively obtained from Venus.
Therefore those nifty payloads of such fuel returned to Earth is our's
to keep, including the spent fuel remainders which unavoidably comes
along with the package deal from hell. Too bad we're still not smart
enough to figure out He3/fusion.
There's certainly no insurmountable complications in getting such
payload tonnage of whatever's extracted, away from Venus. Every 19
months Venus gets to within nearly 100 fold the distance of our moon
(that's close enough to spit at one another), so the travel time isn't
even a big factor.
All the necessary rocket fuel(s) of CO/O2 plus whatever else can be
locally processed into even better reactive thrust energy is also not
the least bit of any big deal, since all the necessary energy for
processing whatever into damn near anything is already there to behold.
In a few other not so silly words, you couldn't hardly ask for a better
home away from home planet than Venus.
Art Deco
>What's really important of us to realize, is to appreciate that we have
>a serious Venusian composite rigid airship gap: so what's the big
>insurmountable deal with that?
N.B. -- in this contest, "us" and "we" refers only to "Brad Guth".
Brad Guth
As I'd said before, that other than establishing my LSE-CM/ISS before
China or Russia does, terraforming the moon (though doable) is a
seriously bad sort of idea, especially when we've got the ready made to
order likes of our not so old Venus cruising so nearby, that's merely
toasty but otherwise perfectly good to go as is, because Venus needs no
stinking terraforming unless you're another certified village idiot
moron.
Because you're all so into play acting as though Venus is taboo, and
otherwise you're all so clearly mainstream snookered and thus easily
dumbfounded by way of all of this; Here's some old news you can all use
to blow your status quo brown noses with.
Supposedly Earth has been getting rid of roughly 25+ millijoules/m2
(with a surface area of 5.112e14 m2), in that subsequently this
represents a sustained minimum/conservative core loss of 13e12 joules.
I tend to believe it's worth at least for times that amount, but that's
just my ongoing village idiot swag of deductive thinking a little
outside the box. As what the hell would we ever do with 52 terajoules
worth of essentially renewable and clean energy?
Venus at 2625 ~ 2650 j/m2 of average solar influx
Surface area: 4.6e14 m2
Mass: 4.87x1024 kg
Density: 5.24 g/cm3
Local gravity: 8.87 m/s2
Escape velocity: 10.3 km/s
Albedo: 0.75 ~ 0.85
Just for another lose cannon worthy shot in the dark; At an average
surface geothermal radiant heat loss of 10 j/m2 = 4.6e15 joules of
available core energy would have to exist. By way of any planetology
standards, that's absolutely impressive at even 10% that amount.
Fortunately, according to the existing and ongoing research of others
(including the ESA virtis / venus express mission), the Venusian
influx/radiative energy balance has been running at a measured loss,
which I believe has been a good thing to know and appreciate as to why
Venus is gradually getting itself cooler by each extremely long
daytime/nighttime season.
Energy flux absorbed by the Earth = 1370 x (1-0.3) / 4 = 239.7 W/m2
Energy flux absorbed by the Venus = 2650 x (1-0.8) / 4 = 132.5 W/m2
(a nifty looking document, but slower than hell if not impossible to
load)
http://planetologia.elte.hu/atlasz/6microenvironments.pdf
A whole lot better though willfully incomplete cache of info, and of
what there is to behold is somewhat NASA and/or Old Testament skewed in
order to suit their 'Earth only' mindset as to intelligent life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Venera13Surface.jpg
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002Q4/211/notes_greenhouse.html
"Even though Venus receives more solar energy than the Earth is, its
effective temperature is colder. This is due to the high albedo on
Venus (0.8): 80% of solar radiation is reflected to space and only 20%
is absorbed by the surface."
Actually it's getting primarily diverted and/or absorbed and rather
nicely transferred about by that extremely thick atmosphere of mostly
dry CO2 and a few hundred spare teratonnes worth of acidic clouds, and
otherwise the solar influx is extensively blocked by the robust
composite layer of S8, and damn little (perhaps 0.015% of 2650 j/m2)
ever directly reaches the surface by means much other than atmospheric
conductive/convection.
On a clear and sunny terrestrial day that's right here on good mother
Earth, we're looking at better than 800 j/m2 that's impacting our deck,
and that's roughly 59~60% of the total solar influx which manages to
contain nearly all of the incoming IR spectrum, and that's not to
mention the secondary/recoil worth of what's unavoidably derived from
our extremely large and nearby moon's worth of IR/FIR, nor anything
tidal related as forced along by the 2e20 joules of the ongoing orbital
existence of our having that pesky moon to deal with. Now that's what
I'd call greenhouse warming potential that's nailing us from the top
down, especially effective as our soot and various complex gas
byproducts pollute damn near every atmospheric and terra m3 in sight,
and then some.
In other words, Venus on its far outside/exterior is cooler than Earth's
thin atmospheric realm (especially by way of their extended season of
nighttime), though upon average roughly 132 j/m2 of solar influx gets
absorbed by the entire global environment of Venus (mostly accommodated
within its robust atmosphere that otherwise reflects ~80%). It's all
pretty much the killer geothermal smoking hot surface that we have to
worry about if we're ever planing to walk upon that toasty orb,
especially in many locations of active lava, mud/plastic flows of raw
minerals or worse yet if near or situated upon any of those pesky
geothermal forced S8/CO2 gas vents that should by rights be literally
hotter than hell, and going like a bat out of hell as having been kindly
pointed out to us by John Ackerman.
Of course, so much unlike our wet environment with its relatively clear
and thus solar transparent atmospheric realm of Earth, whereas so much
of the solar IR influx directly reaches our surface, as opposed to the
Venus surface environment being rather well shielded by the fully
clouded atmosphere that also includes a substantial reflective internal
boundary layer of thermal and IR spectrum isolating S8, whereas the
actual solar influx reaching the surface via direct sunlight is thereby
extensively IR filtered/moderated long before reaching that surface, and
otherwise the visual spectrum isn't hardly worth 39 j/m2 at high noon
(the average at something less) while obviously on the sunny side, and
to be certain that hardly anything of that's going to be of IR.
This leaves us with all of those Venusian departing boat loads of
geothermal energy that's primarily responsible for the vast bulk of why
it's so freaking toasty on that newish planetology active deck. Of
course in physics that's a darn good thing because, via those regular
laws of physics is where all sorts of nifty alternatives for extracting
such renewable energy while you're sequestered upon Venus becomes
doable, making it entirely possible to sustain as much ice cold beer and
even a few indoor ice skating rinks if you'd like.
Too bad this naysay anti-think-tank of our status quo Usenet, that's
from the one and only actual hell on Earth, that for some pathetic
reason(s) can't manage to pull its infomercial spewing butt-cheek brains
out of the nearest space-toilet, especially if it's having anything to
do with Venus, much less with our very own physically dark and nearby
orbiting mascon of our otherwise GW worthy moon.
Art Deco
>As I'd said before, that other than establishing my LSE-CM/ISS before
>China or Russia does, terraforming the moon (though doable) is a
>seriously bad sort of idea, especially when we've got the ready made to
>order likes of our not so old Venus cruising so nearby, that's merely
So Venus is closer to Earth than the Moon, I got it, Brad.
Brad Guth
As I'd said to our NASA as of 7 years ago and counting, there's other
intelligent life existing/coexisting on Venus.
The laws of physics haven't changed, and the replicated science has only
gotten better.
The topic/author stalking, bashings and banishments has also gotten a
whole lot better at deploying their spermware/fuckware at my poor old
PC.
Besides the laws of physics and replicated science that's on my side,
I've got those pictures, whereas they've got less than squat, it's that
simple.
Art Deco
>The laws of physics haven't changed
A pity you don't understand them, Brad.
Brad Guth
"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:45691aa0cd207f9bb22...@mygate.mailgate.org
I see we still have the same old hypology via their infomercial crapolla
and mainstream fartology to deal with, the usual naysay gauntlet of this
anti-think-tank Usenet from their faith-based Old Testament thumping
point of view.
Just because the regular laws of physics and of the newest of the best
available replicated science is even more so on my side of this rant
(similar to the John Ackerman rant), it's as though I'm being utilized
as the next best thing to having those WMD, so that this mainstream
status quo gauntlet of mostly brown-nosed Jewish rusemasters (aka Skull
and Bones minions) can start up their WW-III in spite of the truth.
No wonder their "Bad Astronomy" kingdom is in such a long-nosey worth of
yet another butt-wipe pickle, and otherwise getting so downright huffy
about it.
Brad Guth
Venus is still offering more than a toasty hot-foot, though it's from
the inside out:
As I'd shared so many times before, that for other than establishing my
LSE-CM/ISS before China or Russia does, notions of terraforming the moon
(though technically doable) is a seriously bad sort of idea, especially
when we've got the ready made-to-order likes of our not so old Venus
cruising so nearby, that's merely a little extra toasty in spots but
otherwise perfectly good to go as is. Venus needs no stinking
terraforming, that is unless you're another certified village idiot
moron like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).
Because you're all so cozy into play acting as though Venus is so
need-to-know or else taboo, and otherwise you're all so clearly
mainstream snookered and thus easily dumbfounded by way of all of this;
In spite of your own gauntlet of staying the course of those silly old
thousand lights, here's some old but updated news you can all use to
blow off each of your socks, as well as to blow off your status quo
brown noses with.
I've recently learned that supposedly Earth has been getting rid of
roughly 78~79 millijoules/m2 (with a surface area of 5.112e14 m2 = 40e12
J), in that subsequently this amount of energy represents a sustained
minimum/conservative core loss of 40e12 clean joules. I tend to believe
it's worth at least twice if not 2.5 fold that amount, but that's just
my ongoing village idiot honest swag of deductive thinking a little
outside the box, as to what the extra amount(s) of inside and out tidal
induced energy has to contribute. As to further think, what the hell
would we ever do with so many extra terajoules worth of essentially
renewable and clean energy?
Venus at 2625 ~ 2650 j/m2 of average solar influx
(global net solar influx = 132 j/m2)
Surface geothermal energy: 21 j/m2
Surface area: 4.6e14 m2
Mass: 4.87x1024 kg
Density: 5.24 g/cm3
Local gravity: 8.87 m/s2
Escape velocity: 10.3 km/s
Albedo: 0.75 ~ 0.85
Just for sharing another lose cannon worthy shot in the dark; At an
average surface geothermal radiant heat loss of merely 10 j/m2 = 4.6e15
joules of available core energy would have to exist (that's roughly half
the reported surplus radiated surface energy of 21 j/m2 as having been
obtained by our previous probes). By way of any planetology standards,
that's absolutely impressive energy at even 10% that amount.
Fortunately, according to the existing and ongoing research of others
(including the ESA virtis / venus express mission), the Venusian solar
influx/radiative energy balance has been running at a measured loss of
providing roughly 15% more energy than having been solar contributed,
which I tend to believe has been a good planetology thing to know and
appreciate as to why Venus is not only currently so toasty but gradually
getting itself cooler by each extremely long daytime/nighttime season.
Energy flux absorbed by the Earth = 1370 x (1-0.3) / 4 = 239.7 W/m2
Energy flux absorbed by the Venus = 2650 x (1-0.8) / 4 = 132.5 W/m2
(a nifty looking document, but slower than hell if not impossible to
load)
http://planetologia.elte.hu/atlasz/6microenvironments.pdf
There's lots of other interesting though otherwise perfectly honest
interpretations as soon becoming a bit outdated information about the
Venus atmosphere from John Ackerman.
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
A whole lot better though willfully incomplete cache of info, and of
what there is to behold is somewhat NASA and/or Old Testament skewed in
order to suit their faith-based 'Earth only' mindset as to intelligent
life, and to otherwise support their only greenhouse theory as the one
and only viable basis for why Venus is so freaking hot (too bad the
regular laws of physics nor the best available replicated science do not
agree with that silly greenhouse analogy).
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002Q4/211/notes_greenhouse.html
"Even though Venus receives more solar energy than the Earth is, its
effective temperature is colder. This is due to the high albedo on
Venus (0.8): 80% of solar radiation is reflected to space and only 20%
is absorbed by the surface."
Actually it's getting primarily diverted and/or absorbed and rather
nicely transferred about by that extremely thick atmosphere of mostly
dry CO2 and a few hundred spare teratonnes worth of those acidic clouds,
and otherwise the solar influx is extensively blocked by the robust
composite layer of S8, and damn little (perhaps 0.015% of 2650 j/m2)
ever directly reaches the surface by means much other than atmospheric
conductive/convection (at least that's exactly what our own and of those
Russian probes have been telling us).
On a clear and sunny terrestrial day that's existing right here on good
mother Earth, we're looking at better than 800 j/m2 that's capable of
impacting our deck, and that's roughly 60% of the total solar influx
which manages to contain nearly all of the incoming IR spectrum, and
that's not to mention the secondary/recoil worth of whatever's
unavoidably derived from our extremely large and nearby moon's worth of
IR/FIR, nor is there anything tidal related as forced along by the 2e20
joules of the ongoing orbital existence of our having that pesky moon to
deal with as of the last ice age. Now that's what I'd call greenhouse
warming potential that's nailing us from our badly polluted top down,
especially effective as our soot and various complex gas byproducts
having polluted damn near every atmospheric and terra m3 in sight, and
then some.
In other words, Venus on its far outside/exterior is technically upon
average cooler than Earth's thin and relatively IR transparent
atmospheric realm (Venus being especially cooler by way of their
extended season of nighttime with the exception of the 21 j/m2 of
radiated surface energy), though upon average roughly 132 j/m2 of solar
influx gets absorbed by the entire global environment of Venus (mostly
accommodated within its robust atmosphere that otherwise reflects ~80%),
whereas there's actually a measured 153 j/m2 of nighttime radiated
energy to deal with.
It's all pretty much the killer geothermal realm of its smoking hot
surface of 21 j/m2, along with the impressive atmospheric thermal
contribution that we have to worry about if we're ever planing to walk
upon that toasty orb, getting especially hot-spot/zone nasty in many
geothermal locations of active lava, mud/plastic flows of raw minerals
or worse yet if near or forbid situated upon any of those pesky
geothermal forced S8/CO2 gas vents that should by rights be literally
hotter than hell, and going like a bat out of hell as having been kindly
pointed out to us by John Ackerman.
Of course, so much unlike our wet environment with its relatively clear
and thus solar transparent atmospheric realm of Earth, whereas so much
of the solar IR influx directly reaches our surface, as opposed to the
Venus surface environment being rather well shielded by the fully
clouded atmosphere that also includes a substantial reflective internal
boundary layer of thermal and IR spectrum isolating S8, whereas the
actual solar influx reaching the surface via direct sunlight is thereby
extensively IR filtered/moderated long before reaching that surface, and
otherwise the visual spectrum isn't hardly worth 39 j/m2 at high noon
(the average illumination being at something far less while obviously on
the sunny side, as otherwise mostly IR illuminated within their extended
season of nighttime), and to be certain there's hardly any significant
amount of incoming solar energy that's going to be of the IR spectrum.
This leaves us with all of those Venusian departing boat loads of
geothermal energy, of roughly 21 j/m2 that's primarily responsible for
the vast bulk of why it's so freaking toasty on that newish planetology
active deck. Of course, in physics that's a darn good thing to realize
because, via those regular laws of physics is where all sorts of nifty
alternatives for extracting from such renewable energy while you're
sequestered upon Venus becomes doable, making it entirely possible to
sustain as much ice cold beer and even a few indoor ice skating rinks if
you'd like.
Too bad this continually naysay anti-think-tank of our status quo
Usenet, that's formulated from within the one and only actual hell on
Earth, that for some pathetic reason(s) can't manage to pull its
infomercial spewing butt-cheeks of its own faith-based load of
disinformation spewing brains out of the nearest space-toilet,
especially if it's having anything to do with Venus, much less with our
very own physically dark and nearby orbiting mascon of our otherwise GW
worthy moon.
Art Deco
Phineas T Puddleduck
Art Deco <erfc...@usa.net> wrote:
Fastest banning in their history too.
--
Saucerhead lingo #137
"(we) whupped yer incredible arse bigtime" = "we were asked a lot of
unanswerable questions we decided to avoid answering and kept repeating the
same old discredited nonsense".
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Bookman
Is it any surprise, given the Guthball's hatred for science, and
fetish for scat?
ESL!
--
Bookman -The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in AFA-B
Kazoo Konspirator #668 (The Neighbor of the Beast)
Clue-Bat Wrangler
Keeper of the Nickname Lists
Despotic Kookologist of the New World Order
Hammer of Thor award, October 2005
BARBARA WOODHOUSE MEMORIAL DOG-WHISTLE AWARD
MIKE "MIGUEL" CRANSTON, TRAINED BY BOOKMAN
COOSN-266-06-89425
"I'd love to kill you in a ring" - Bartmo gets all touchy-feely
"****SPV....... So yes I am an idiot."
"ASK THE NWS, YOUR TAX DOLLAR GOES TO THEM NOT TO DR.TURI."
- Mr. Turi explains how to accurately predict hurricanes
Bookman is yet another Usenet fignuten, meaning naysayer and/or
rusemaster of their incest cloned Third Reich. In other words, you're
communicating with an intellectual if not a biological clone of
Hitler.
- Brad Guth tries to wax "scientific", but invokes Godwin, instead.
WWFSMD?
Phineas T Puddleduck
Bookman <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:
> >> >Brad Guth
> >>
> >> *Still* whining about getting banned from the BABB, Brad?
> >
> >Fastest banning in their history too.
>
> Is it any surprise, given the Guthball's hatred for science, and
> fetish for scat?
>
> ESL!
Four posts is still pretty impressive though, but it does speak wonders
for Guth's incredible ability to type vast amounts of words and yet
managed to stay almost 100% content free....
Brad Guth
message news:phineaspuddleduck-5...@free.teranews.com
What is this; another jewspeak pissing contest?
Brad Guth
news:di46q21obo5nvdl5k...@4ax.com
>Is it any surprise, given the Guthball's hatred for science, and
>fetish for scat?
That's certainly a space-toilet calling a butt nasty. Turn it all
around and blame if not kill the messenger(s), and if need be putting
the likes of Christ back on that stick is the one and only alternative
that rusemasters have as their Old Testament thumping recourse.
Obviously I'm not a born-again liar or otherwise the Village idiot
that's running amok because, anyone worth half their salt can have a
first hand look-see at exactly what my PC has to offer of Usenet, and as
such it isn't always as you say it is. In fact, without argument from
any soul on Earth, Mailgate/Usenet is clearly worse off at stealth
topic/author moderation crapolla than GOOGLE.
Like right about now, my PC has been going postal while Mailgate/Usenet
service is in the toilet, and GOOGLE/usenet is even choking on it's own
PC/client specific spermware/fuckware that's doing all that it possibly
can to nail my truth telling butt.
Here's yet another new and improved good one for the old topic/author
banishment gipper.
It seems the MI6/NSA's Skull and Bones infomercial protective hammer is
coming down as hard as their warm and fuzzy Third Reich status quo
collective of incest cloned and therefore mutated borgs can manage, that
is without terminating more of their own kind.
GOOGLE has modified their Usenet search engine with a 'Brad Guth'
robo/stealth moderation, a Usenet interactive and possibly client
specific topic/author banishment or GUTH V-chip filter, and to think
that's specifically because of little old me. Imagine that, I've caused
our lord almighty GOOGLE to shift gears in mid mainstream status quo.
Now whenever searching for whatever's topic new and improved from the
land of Guth, oddly I'm not to be found. So, in order to find me and of
my latest round of lose cannon contributions, you'll have to utilize
other methods that are somewhat less search effective.
In other words, "why Venus so taboo/nondisclosure rated" is actually a
focused orchestration of their efforts intended upon nailing my open
mindset that's outside of their Old Testament thumping status quo box.
"Bryan Olson" <fakea...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:Sp4ph.61305$wP1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net
> Get a clue already. The reason so few respond is not that a planet
> is "taboo". Who cares what an Apollo-denier says about exploring
> Venus?
GOT PROOF ? (didn't think so, at least not any more than Muslims had
WMD, and look at what a collateral and bloody fiasco that turned out to
be, not to mention at least ten fold more spendy than our actually going
to/from that physically dark and nasty moon of ours)
Art Deco
>"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>message news:phineaspuddleduck-5...@free.teranews.com
>
>What is this; another jewspeak pissing contest?
>-
>Brad Guth
Hey Brad, this post is a good example of why you won the Busted Urinal
Award.
Art Deco
Too bad you use one of the lamest news servers available, Brad, or
Bookman might have actually seen your lame, frothy reply.
Brad Guth
Guess what else is old news?
Venus is likely billions of years old, just not quite as many billions
as you might care to think.
As reported in various science journals, such as via the Keck
Interferometer having established that Venus is still not even close to
being within thermal balance (as also reported by previous probes). The
dynamic thermal imbalance or radiative energy imbalance of Venus is
basically that of being within a planetology phase of having been losing
more energy by season of nighttime than gets contributed by their extra
toasty season of day. This means the planet itself is in fact offering
a significant geothermal resource of thermal energy.
With as little as 1.5% solar energy reaching the Venusian surface (most
of that being of the visible spectrum, with damn littel UV and even less
IR reaching the surface), it's hard not to reconsider upon the rather
great amount of nighttime season radiated energy that's clearly in
surplus to what sol contributes by day. Unfortunately, the thick
atmosphere itself along with its S8 layer is simply so dense and
thermally conductive and otherwise albedo reflective that it somewhat
skews the best of scientific intentions to fully appreciate the ongoing
newish planetology situation. Of course, we can't even figure out Earth
along with it's somewhat recent orbital mascon, of our having such a big
and nearby moon to deal with since the last ice age this environment
will ever see, at least not without risking our blowing another Old
Testament cloak and dagger gasket or two.
Others have been a bit more suggestive of an even greater thermal
imbalance.
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/venus/new_venus.pdf
"An article of his in New Scientist shortly after the PV mission.
described a massive thermal imbalance of 20%"
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/venus/triktim.html
"And then there is the question of F.W. Taylor's description of massive
thermal imbalance as measured from outside the atmosphere (from the
article on thermal balance by F.W. Taylor in "VENUS", Hunton, Colin,
Donahue, Moroz, Univ. of Ariz. Press, 1983, ISBN 0-8165-0788-0, pp
657-658)."
There's certainly lots of other interesting though otherwise perfectly
honest scientific deductive interpretations, as soon becoming a bit
outdated information, about the Venus atmosphere from the perspective of
John Ackerman.
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
Earth's ongoing thermal core imbalance of supposedly 78 to 100 mJ/m2
isn't entirely natural, whereas it seems humanity has been doing and
thus forcing just about all that it possibly can in order to dim the
albedo of Earth via our soot. If the master plan of our insanity is to
assist in melting as much snow and ice as possible, whereas such we're
accomplishing a damn fine job of it.
RealClimate » Planetary energy imbalance?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/05/planetary-energy-imbalance/
"Firstly, as surface temperatures and the ocean heat content are rising
together, it almost certainly rules out intrinsic variability of the
climate system as a major cause for the recent warming (since internal
climate changes (ENSO, thermohaline variability, etc.) are related to
transfers of heat around the system, atmospheric warming would only
occur with energy from somewhere else (i.e. the ocean) which would then
need to be cooling)."
"Thirdly, since the current unrealised warming "in the pipeline" is
related to the net imbalance of 0.85+/-0.15 W/m2 implies an further
warming of around 0.5-0.7 C, regardless of future emission increases."
Too bad those pesky laws of physics which pegs this imbalance at roughly
a watt/m2 simply can't get involved with anything which includes our
extremely large and nearby moon, and of the unavoidable tidal forced
thermal as well as secondary IR/FIR factors that much be hocus-pocus
and/or taboo/nondisclosure rated.
http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/Why-does-everyone-dismiss-Venus_3224.html
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3224
"Why oh Why is everyone forever looking outward to find life in our
solar system? I honestly believe that the very suspicious and widely
accepted argument that there cannot be life on Venus as laughable,
especially regarding discoveries on our own planet recently, ie black
smokers etc... Why is there so little data regarding Venus?"
Unfortunately, "Physorg" and "Physicsforums" are each in a similar
mainstream status quo pickle, and that's too bad that honest folks can't
even contribute their words of wisdom. It seems that anything of
mainstream physics can not so much as follow the yellow brick road, not
even if the all-knowing wizard of Oz or the holy grail is actually there
at the end to behold.
Kicking the Sacred Cow: Questioning the Unquestionable and Thinking the
Impermissible
http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/sacred/sample3.shtml?baen04
This paper seems to have been suggesting that perhaps not each and every
last word of Velikovskian science is without merit. I'm only suggesting
an alternative that isn't nearly the same basis, but offers other
perfectly viable reasons for the Venusian thermal imbalance. Too bad
the ESA Venus EXPRESS mission is so devoid of actual science, as though
their hands are tied to each others private parts, so that if merely one
get tasered, they all fall down.
Of course, nearly all of the official NASA papers or of those in any way
publicly funded that so happen to include anything as to the Venusian
thermal imbalance are currently in revision mode, as having been
sequestered out of sight and thus out of mind, somewhat like those
missing 700 boxes of data related to their Apollo missions is in
infomercial stealth mode until each and every one of their rad-hard cows
comes home, or their fat lady gets to sing.
http://wapi.isu.edu/Geo_Pgt/Mod03_PlanetaryEvo/mod3_pt1.htm
"Tidal Heat is generated by the slight internal deformation against
frictional resistance as one planetary body revolves around another.
Fluctuations in gravity result from variation in the relative positions
of the two bodies. For example, the tides on Earth are a direct response
to the positions of the Moon and Sun. Gravitational perturbations also
result from an irregular orbit, such that the distance separating the
planetary bodies is not constant. The best example of tidal heating in
the Solar System is in the Jupiter system, where the small inner moon Io
exhibits active volcanism due to intense internal heating."
I guess these highly conditional laws of physics that manage to pertain
as to whatever "tidal heating" that gets applied to the moons of
Jupiter, as such they simply do not apply to Earth being in any way
tidal heated by that of our moon.
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/venusexpress/VIRTIS_movie_500_b.gif
BTW; pay no attention whatsoever to that massive rigid airship that's
recorded in the above frames.
-
Unlike our foreign exchange moon that's merely a bit salty and otherwise
physically dark, extremely electrostatic dusty and more than a little
TBI worthy, as well as thermally nasty at either hot/cold extremes to
our frail DNA, whereas Venus is still offering more than a consistently
toasty hot-foot environment, though it's somewhat less hot in places and
as such it's within the realm of applied physics, as to what known
technology can manage to survive, as it's mostly the geothermal energy
that's contributed from the inside out:
For accommodating this potentially true life adventure of surviving our
eventual expeditions to/from the next best known place to hell;
Besides a suitable shuttle/spaceplane and that composite rigid airship,
what we'll just as likely need is a good and mostly robotic space
station as our Venus L2(VL2) outpost, of a viable halo station-keeping
sort of Clarke Station performing as our next generation ISS platform
that's good for the safe keeping of a crew for at least 19 months at a
time. Technically, I believe this task is affordably obtainable,
possibly even via Robert Bigelow’s POOF. At least VL2 as being 90+%
shaded by Venus isn't nearly as IR/FIR hot nor is it otherwise as gamma
and hard-X-ray DNA lethal as MEL1.
As I'd thoughtfully shared so many times before, that for other than
establishing my robust LSE-CM/ISS and of its tether dipole element
reaching if need be to within 4r of Earth, before China or Russia
accomplishes this 'winner take all' task, whereas notions of
terraforming the moon (though technically doable) is a seriously bad
sort of idea, especially when we've got the ready made-to-order likes of
our not so old Venus cruising so nearby, that's merely a little extra
surface toasty in spots but otherwise perfectly good to go as is.
Fortunately, Venus needs no stinking terraforming, nor any import of
energy or hardly if any raw materials, that is unless you're another
certified village idiot moron like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).
Because you're all so comfy cozy into play acting along, as though Venus
is so need-to-know or else hocus-pocus taboo, and otherwise you're all
so clearly mainstream snookered and thus easily dumbfounded by way of
all this; In spite of your own perpetrated gauntlet of having stayed
the course of those silly old thousand lights, here's some old but
updated news you can all use to blow off each of your faith-based socks,
as well as to blow off your status quo brown noses with.
I've recently learned that Earth has been getting rid of roughly 78~79
millijoules/m2 (with a surface area of 5.112e14 m2 = 40e12 J), in that
subsequently this amount of energy represents a sustained
minimum/conservative core loss of 40e12 clean joules, which also means
there's lots more of where that came from. I tend to believe that as a
whole our composite core and of its surrounding molten whatever that's
in a slight super-rotation is worth at least twice if not 2.5 fold that
amount, plus another few thousand terajoules going to the tidal forcing
of oceans and otherwise a few other spare terajoules that's forcing our
atmosphere, but that's just my ongoing village idiot worth of an honest
swag of my deductive thinking a little outside the box, as to
considering what these extra amounts of inside and out tidal induced
energy has to contribute. As to further outside the box think, what the
hell would we ever do with so many extra terajoules worth of essentially
renewable and clean energy?
Venus at 2625 ~ 2650 j/m2 of average solar influx
(global net solar influx = 132 j/m2)
Surface geothermal energy: 21 j/m2
Surface area: 4.6e14 m2
Mass: 4.87x1024 kg
Density: 5.24 g/cm3
Local gravity: 8.87 m/s2
Escape velocity: 10.3 km/s
Albedo: 0.75 ~ 0.85
Just for sharing off another lose cannon worthy shot in the dark;
At an average Venusian surface geothermal radiant heat loss of merely 10
j/m2 = 4.6e15 joules of available core energy would have to exist
(that's roughly half the reported worth of the surplus radiated surface
energy of 21 j/m2 as having been obtained by our previous probes). By
way of any planetology standards, that's absolutely impressive energy at
even 10% that amount.
Fortunately, according to the existing and ongoing research of others
(including the ESA virtis / venus express mission w/o PFS), the Venusian
solar influx/radiative energy balance has been running at a measured
loss, or rather a surplus of providing roughly 15% more energy than
having been solar contributed, which I tend to believe has been a
perfectly good planetology thing to know and appreciate as to why Venus
is not only currently so toasty but gradually getting itself cooler by
each extremely long daytime/nighttime season.
Energy flux absorbed by the Earth = 1370 x (1-0.3) / 4 = 239.7 W/m2
Energy flux absorbed by the Venus = 2650 x (1-0.8) / 4 = 132.5 W/m2
(a nifty looking document, but slower than hell if not impossible to
load)
http://planetologia.elte.hu/atlasz/6microenvironments.pdf
There's lots of other interesting though otherwise perfectly honest
deductive interpretations, as soon becoming a bit outdated information,
about the Venus atmosphere from the perspective of John Ackerman.
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
A whole lot better though willfully incomplete cache of info, and of
what there is to behold is somewhat NASA and/or Old Testament skewed in
order to suit their faith-based 'Earth only' mindset as to intelligent
life, and to otherwise support their one and only greenhouse theory as
representing their one and only viable basis for why Venus is so
freaking hot (too bad the regular laws of physics nor the best available
replicated science do not agree with that silly greenhouse analogy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Venera13Surface.jpg
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002Q4/211/notes_greenhouse.html
"Even though Venus receives more solar energy than the Earth is, its
effective temperature is colder. This is due to the high albedo on
Venus (0.8): 80% of solar radiation is reflected to space and only 20%
is absorbed by the surface."
Actually it's getting primarily diverted and/or absorbed and rather
nicely transferred about by that extremely thick atmosphere of mostly
dry CO2 and a few hundred spare teratonnes worth of those acidic clouds,
as otherwise the solar influx is extensively moderated by the robust
composite layer of S8, and damn little (perhaps ast most 0.015% of 2650
j/m2) of the visible spectrum ever directly reaches the surface by means
much other than atmospheric downward conductive/convection (at least
that's exactly what our very own and of those Russian probes have always
been telling us).
On a clear and sunny terrestrial day that's existing right here on good
mother Earth, we're looking at better than 800 j/m2 (William Mook having
recently specified 62% as 850 j/m2) that's capable of directly impacting
our deck, and that's roughly 60% of the total solar influx which manages
to contain nearly all of the incoming IR spectrum, and that's not to
mention the secondary/recoil worth of whatever's unavoidably derived
from our extremely large and nearby moon's worth of IR/FIR, nor is there
anything of gravity/tidal related as forced along by the 2e20 joules of
the ongoing orbital existence of our having that pesky moon to deal with
as of the last ice age. Now that's what I'd call greenhouse warming
potential that's nailing us from our badly polluted top down, especially
effective as our soot and various complex gas byproducts having polluted
damn near every atmospheric and terra m3 in sight, and then some.
In other words, Venus on its far outside/exterior (above them clouds) is
technically upon average cooler than Earth's thin and relatively IR
transparent atmospheric realm (Venus being especially cooler by way of
their extended season of nighttime with the exception of the 21 j/m2 of
radiated surface energy), though upon average roughly 132 j/m2 of solar
influx gets absorbed by the entire global environment of Venus (mostly
accommodated within its robust atmosphere that otherwise reflects ~80%),
whereas there's actually a measured 153 j/m2 of nighttime radiated
energy to deal with.
If it weren't for the ongoing geothermal energy release, the surface of
Venus would soon become cold enough for hosting ice, and especially
colder yet because of having lost its moon (possibly to us).
It's all pretty much the killer geothermal realm of its smoking hot
surface of having those spare 21 j/m2, along with the impressive
atmospheric thermal contribution that we have to worry about if we're
ever planing to walk upon that toasty orb, getting especially
hot-spot/lava-zone nasty in many geothermal locations of active
lava/mud/plastic flows of raw minerals or worse yet if near or forbid
situated upon any of those pesky geothermal forced S8/CO2 gas vents that
should by rights be literally hotter than hell, as well as venting like
a bat out of hell, as having been kindly pointed out to us by John
Ackerman.
Of course, so much unlike our wet and thus solar energy absorbing
environment with its relatively clear and thus solar spectrum
transparent atmospheric realm of Earth, whereas so much of the solar IR
influx directly reaches our surface, as opposed to the Venus surface
environment being rather well shielded by the fully clouded atmosphere
that also includes a substantial reflective internal boundary layer of
thermal and IR spectrum isolating S8, whereas the actual solar influx
reaching the surface via direct sunlight is thereby extensively IR
filtered/moderated long before reaching that surface, and otherwise the
visual spectrum isn't hardly worth 39 j/m2 at high noon (the average
illumination being at something far less while obviously on the sunny
side, as otherwise becoming what's mostly local near-IR and IR/FIR
illuminated within their extended season of nighttime), and to be fairly
certain there's hardly any significant amount of incoming solar energy
that's going to be of the IR spectrum.
This leaves us with all of those Venusian departing boat loads of
geothermal energy, of roughly 21 j/m2 that's primarily responsible for
the vast bulk of why it's so freaking toasty on that newish planetology
active deck. Of course, in physics that's a darn good thing to realize
because, via those regular thermal dynamic and gas laws of physics is
where all sorts of nifty alternatives for extracting from such renewable
energy while you're sequestered upon Venus becomes doable, making it
entirely possible to sustain as much ice cold beer and even a few indoor
ice skating rinks if you'd like.
Too bad this continually naysay and otherwise anti-think-tank community
of our status quo Usenet, that's formulated itself from within the one
and only actual hell on Earth, for some pathetic reason(s) can't manage
to pull their infomercial spewing butt-cheeks of its very own
faith-based load of disinformation spewing brains out of the nearest
space-toilet, especially if it's having anything to do with Venus, much
less with our very own physically dark and nearby orbiting mascon of our
otherwise GW worthy moon, that's so unusually massive in its ratio to
Earth.
Brad Guth
news:di46q21obo5nvdl5k...@4ax.com
Mailgate/Usenet index still isn't showing this one as being associated
with the intended target of "Bookman". So, here's a spare copy.
In spite of a supposedly dead or rather MI6/NSA corrupted PFS
instrument, ESA's VIRTIS (Venus express) mission is gradually returning
the necessary goods of their somewhat alternative if not better science
than we've previously had to work with. Having more than sufficient IR
spectrum and resolution for better determining their ongoing planetology
science, with improved capability of establishing the thermal energy
balance of Venus is what's downright interesting, in that team VIRTIS
has had more than the necessary science instruments at their disposal,
yet thus far having been keeping their rather unusually tight butt crack
skewed shut about sharing this vital portion of their science.
Older probes had previously established roughly a 15% surplus of energy
that's leaving Venus than solar contributed, suggesting 20+J/m2 was what
the surface of Venus had to offer. Obviously this represents that some
of the well established and typically higher elevated tera of the Venus
surface could be offering as little as 5 J/m2, while other geothermal
forced hot-spots could be in excess of 50 j/m2 if not greater as
suggested again by the much older data obtained by American and Russian
probes. Without benefit of the PFS instrument, it'll be difficult to
obtain much better surface resolution than several km, and therefore
specific hot-spots or zones of whatever's active lava, mud flows or
S8/CO2 geothermal forced gas vents will remain as a future obligation of
the next round of planetology explorations that'll most likely be those
of Russian expertise.
Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet and Guth Venus
"Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote in message
news:di46q21obo5nvdl5k...@4ax.com
>Is it any surprise, given the Guthball's hatred for science, and
>fetish for scat?
That's certainly abother bigoted and typically arrogant space-toilet
calling a butt nasty. Turn it all around and proceed as to blame others
if not kill the messenger(s), and if need be putting the likes of Christ
back on that stick is apparently the one and only alternative that such
rusemasters have as their Old Testament thumping recourse.
There's lots more to fully appreciate as to how these Usenet MIB spooks
and moles have been accomplishing their form of hypology and infomercial
crapolla as their damage control thing these days.
Obviously I'm not a born-again liar or otherwise the Village idiot
that's running amok, because, anyone worth half their salt can have a
first hand look-see at exactly what my PC has to offer of Usenet, and as
such this Usenet simply isn't always as honest about listing topics as
you folks say it is. In fact, without much argument from any soul on
Earth, Mailgate/Usenet is clearly worse off at stealth topic/author
moderation or even banishment crapolla than GOOGLE/Usenet.
GOOGLE's topic/author index update and thus search for as "Sorted by
date" isn't doing its usual nifty thing for the likes of "Brad Guth" or
"Guth Brad". That's no lie. I'm not at all certain that each Usenet
client of a GOOGLE or Mailgate server even gets to review what others
have to work with. Most certainly the general public that's not an
active Usenet member sees considerably less information than you or I.
Like right about now, from time to time my PC has been going a little
postal via the remote control of others, while Mailgate/Usenet service
is in the toilet, and I do believe GOOGLE/usenet is even choking on some
of it's own PC/client specific spermware/fuckware that's doing all that
it possibly can to nail my truth telling butt.
Here's yet another new and improved good one for the old topic/author
banishment gipper.
It seems the MI6/NSA's Skull and Bones infomercial protective hammer is
coming down as hard as their warm and fuzzy Third Reich status quo
collective of incest cloned and therefore mutated borgs can manage, that
is without terminating more of their own kind.
GOOGLE has recently modified their Usenet search engine with a 'Brad
Guth' robo/stealth moderation factor, as a Usenet interactive and
possibly client specific topic/author banishment or GUTH V-chip filter,
and to think that's all specifically because of little old me. Imagine
that, I've caused our lord almighty GOOGLE to shift gears in mid
mainstream status quo.
Now whenever searching for whatever's topic new and improved from the
land of Guth, oddly I'm not to be found. So, in order to find me and of
my latest round of lose cannon contributions, you'll have to utilize
other methods that are somewhat less search effective.
In other words, "why is Venus so taboo/nondisclosure rated" is actually
getting a well focused orchestration of their efforts intended upon
nailing my open mindset that's remaining outside of their Old Testament
thumping status quo box, of their insisting that Venus is supposedly of
the very same planetology vintage as Earth.
"Bryan Olson" <fakea...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:Sp4ph.61305$wP1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net
> Get a clue already. The reason so few respond is not that a planet
> is "taboo". Who cares what an Apollo-denier says about exploring
> Venus?
GOT PROOF ? (didn't think so) At least not any more so than Muslims had
WMD, and look at what a collateral and absolutely bloody fiasco that
turned out to be, not to mention at least ten fold more spendy than our
actually going to/from that physically dark and nasty moon of ours, and
setting up a lunar base camp.
-
EML1 Considerations / by Rand Simberg
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/033a67c2ad125ad0/905d992607bb0431?hl=en#905d992607bb0431
>In the midst of engaging in some of Guth's nutballery, Wayne Throop
>was asking about the value of L1. Well, despite Brad's interest in
>it, there's a lot to be said for it, depending on what you want to do.
>I'm reposting this from my blog, for those who whine that my posts are
>too short. Feel free to comment over there as well.
What's there to despite or nutballery about utilizing our EML2 or rather
MEL1/(moon L1)?
The last time I'd checked, the laws of physics haven't changed, and the
best of replicated science is roughly the same as it was as of decades
ago.
Other than the matter of this L1 gravity pit or near micro-g well (a
gravity nullification hill if you like) being roughly 95+% solar
illuminated from the naked direction of sol, and otherwise getting a
healthy load of secondary IR/FIR from the IR reflective and reactive
moon itself, thus your halo rbiting or tethered station-keeping is going
to require a substantial amount of forced heat exchanging, plus as much
shielding depth and/or volumes of h2o or whatever's similar as necessary
due to the primary and secondary TBI worth of gamma and hard-X-rays that
are almost never passive or otherwise quiet.
I'm not at all sure POOF is quite up to this task, but something similar
that's a bit more robust unless it's purely robotic should be doable.
My LSE-CM/ISS plan of action with its tether dipole element that could
safely reach to within 4r of Earth is just Clarke Station on steroids,
as rather easily and effectively tethered to the moon for good measure,
thus not hardly 10% the monthly reactive station keeping budget, if even
1%.
Otherwise, I totally agree with the jest of this topic, that this
relatively nearby moon/L1 is offering the absolute best of nearly
everything imaginable, including the best of renewable energy, star-wars
high ground and being NEO defense capable as Earth is ever going to get,
short of having those substantial facilities actually on and/or within
the moon itself.
-
"Joe Strout" <j...@strout.net> wrote in message
news:joe-E4756C.1...@comcast.dca.giganews.com
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/d95dd261af2084f1/c1ceb6b5aa16ebfa?hl=en#c1ceb6b5aa16ebfa
Question about hitching a ride on an NEO: I say what's to question.
NEOs ott to be similar to walking on our physically dark, salty and
extremely IR/FIR hot and naked moon, as well as a little cosmic/solar
influx lethal to your DNA.
for starters, you'll need an actual proof-tested fly-by-rocket lander
with lots of spare fuel for accommodating those fully modulated and
fly-by-computer driven reaction thrusters, plus a few of those fairly
substantial momentum reaction wheels that's proven to work on your
behalf of dealing with maneuvering about such a local mascon that's
continually imposing different gravity in most all locations, and don't
so much as move an inch or fart, because that'll screw up whatever
maneuvers.
You'll most likely need whatever's the next best thing to having
rad-hard DNA.
Besides taking steroids, you'll likely need a healthy cache of banked
bone marrow as your plan-B.
If you're planning upon any extended NEO stay, as such it might also be
a good idea for having a private cache of stem cells, just incase you
start going a little blind or something worse.
Don't forget to bring along those little tubes of super-glue and lots of
ductape for patching them pesky micrometeorite or larger holes.
For those Kodak moments, be sure to take along a good optical UV filter,
if not a near-UV (425 nm) spectrum cut-off, for taking those pictures
that'll otherwise turn out as though somewhat vibrant bluish looking,
along with the likes of planets (especially Venus shining itself as
brighter than Earth) and even a few stars such as Sirius showing up, as
otherwise due to all the raw near-UV, UV-a and the unavoidable
secondary/recoil of photons that are derived off anything natural or
artificial that's UV/black-light reactive should by rights push
whatever's local into getting photo/image recorded as being somewhat
extra blue.
Instead of photographic film, you need to utilize a robust CCD digital
camera with a little extra internal shielding for its CCD of somewhat
greater bias current instead of based upon whatever well shielded film
that's essentially too easily exposed by such raw/unfiltered energy,
some of which being of gamma and hard-X-ray spectrum, and then as always
fending off those pesky thermal extremes of being ultra sub-frozen in
the shade or by night, to that of having to include the local secondary
IR/FIR by day of being summarily roasted from more than one direction.
You'll likely need a private cache of Po/210 for neutralizing the highly
electrostatic dust.
At best you've got hours of EVA upon whatever NEO. On a bad solar day,
worse case you're down to minutes to accomplish whatever's the task
before reaching your career dosage limit of gamma and hard-X-rays, and
don't forget that you still have to get yourself back home w/o further
TBI trauma to your frail DNA that's by now most likely past the red-line
point of no return of what's humanly survivable without utilizing your
banked bone marrow and possibly a few spare grams of those do-everything
stem cells.
Brad Guth
If there's any nearby planet that's alive and kicking, in more ways than
planetology, it's Venus.
In spite of most others, with all of their flak tossing faith based
ulterior motives and hidden agendas, I care about sharing the plain old
truth and nothing but the truth, about there being other intelligent
life coexisting on Venus. Such as sharing in what our somewhat recently
obtained moon has to offer our rather badly failing environment, or how
otherwise extra cold Earth would soon enough get without having that
nearby mascon of such a physically dark and nasty moon of our's. How
about yourself? GOT TRUTH ?
Our badly skewed "Space Policy Sucks, while there's Life on Venus", is
no lie, and in spite of all of their orchestrated mainstream status quo
flak and hypology of their infomercial spewing damage control, it seems
there's renewable energy to burn (sort of speak) while on Venus. To say
"Colonization Of The Stars And Contact With Aliens: The Last False Hope
Of The Secularists" isn't hardly saying squat when there has been
perfectly good evidence and the rational code of physics that's on
behalf of ETs having coexisted upon Venus.
We're past the point of no return when it comes down to smelling them
roses. There may not be Venusian roses, but there's likely damn near
anything else you can imagine. Any such newish planetology as offered
by the likes of Venus has got to be more than a wee bit interesting, and
valuable. Even John Ackerman was more than a little impressed with
Venus, and he hadn't seen or otherwise interpreted squat compared to
what I'd more recently discovered.
And yet once again and again, I see from my PC monitor that we have the
usual ongoing PC/MAC trashing game of Usenet spooks, moles and wise old
Jewish fart MIB wizards deploying their very best browser interactive
spermware/fuckware, as obviously the tactical norm of their Old
Testament formulated mainstream status quo fuckology of topic/author
stalking, bashings and banishments. Therefore, we'll just have to keep
updating and reposting our truth worthy topics until a few of them nifty
NASA/Apollo rad-hard cows of their's come home.
It's getting a little bit like The Wizard of Oz on steroids;
Sorry folks, whereas it seems that we haven't quite gotten around to
having walked on our extremely big old and otherwise nearby moon that's
so physically massive in ratio to Earth, as well as being so physically
dark and nasty (hardly Apollo passive guano island like and xenon lamp
spectrum illuminated at that), but so what's the difference if one more
silly lie begets another and another?
Our moon may have to remain as a mostly robotic wonderland, as otherwise
merely that of a nasty realm of local and secondary/recoil energy that's
accessible via a safe looking glass from the moon's L1, whereas
otherwise it's somewhat physically DNA/RNA taboo. Although, Venus isn't
off limits unless you're a certified moron, and VL2 is certainly more
than space station doable as is. Venus shouldn't ever require any
terraforming on our behalf, just damn good CO2-->CO/O2 air conditioning
and structural composite basalt as insulation that's worth R-1024/m.
If not in person, I hope to hell we don't summarily screw up Venus via
robotics to the extent that we've accomplished so much dastardly
commercial forms of collateral damage by way of having pillaged, trashed
and the ongoing energy raping of mother Earth without so much as a speck
of remorse.
I obviously care most about Venus, whereas our moon seriously sucks much
worse than Mars. The planet Venus is otherwise more than obviously
where all the serious action of other intelligent life is at, especially
since Pluto got the royal shaft, as seemingly Ceres is getting a similar
official NASA fid, and Mercury is simply too off-world as well as past
the point of return (similar to Mars being so much older than Earth and
about as near planetology death as you're going to get).
At least VL2 is more than cool enough, as to being Russian POOF/(space
depot) doable, and every 19 months it gets to within 100 fold the
distance of our moon. If that isn't the best ever Russian/POOF space
station outpost good news, or what, then nothing is.
While rather quickly roasting our wieners on Venus (a few seconds ott to
do the trick), the only question is how much energy do you folks suppose
a good air conditioning system as part of your CO2-->CO/O2 process is
going to demand?
Remember, at that sort of environment pressure you'll not require more
than a 1% O2 factor, and the remainder should be of H2. Thus having 99%
H2 and 1% O2 at 96 Bar is about all the atmospheric displacement of that
otherwise crystal clear and dry CO2 that's otherwise relatively harmless
that you'll ever need. Also remember that you'll be continually
fighting off the lesser gravity of 90.5%, and otherwise having all of
that pesky 64+ kg/m3 of buoyancy to fend off. Of course, if you only
had half a village idiot brain, as such you might as well utilize such
factors as to your benefit.
Say if this habitat were an application per 1000 m3/(interior 10 x 20 x
5 meter abode), and if that Venusian habitat volume were insulated at
R-1024/m2; what's the thermal energy budget of keeping your cache of
beer and vodka icy cold?
That's roughly a surface/foundation area of 264 m2, a portion of what
should be roughly a 828 m2 exterior that's in part exposed to the hotter
than hell surface that's getting rid of 20 J/m2, and otherwise fending
off the somewhat toasty atmosphere that's always cooler than the
geothermally forced surface. Therefore, without question it's nearly
always hot outside and there's just the structural composite basalt
insulated barrier of R-1024/m that's giving way to an inward flux of
thermal conduction that's worthy of having 0.00097656/m2 (0.0977% which
I believe is roughly less than 0.45 K/m2/hr) of having to deal with
fending off that bone dry heat, which seems by all manner of known
physics as being rather manageable, if not a touch overkill.
BTW; Venus is of a newish planetology which has all the raw elements
and the energy for locally processing whatever into the required items
of surviving Venus (except for having enough ice cold beer and pizza).
All that's required is the small factor of applied intelligence or
simply deductive common sense should otherwise more than do the trick.
Is there something other that's specific about accomplishing Venus that
you'd like to review or constructively contribute, such as on behalf of
those nifty composite rigid airships?
How about we review on behalf of defending yourself from those
exoskeletal Cathars that can't seem to take no for an answer? (you're
not alone, you know)
Would you folks like to talk about the Russian VL2 POOF platform/depot,
or how about laser interplanetary communications (much the same as
NASA's deep space network), for making those less spendy local
interplanetary calls that shouldn't take hardly any energy to accomplish
with a quantum binary packet mode of those 425 nm FM/(+/-25 nm) photons
or perhaps something of UV/a doing their extremely efficient thing.
Brad Guth
Oddly, the ESA Venus EXPRESS mission isn't talking to us any more.
Apparently their team of wizards can only accomplish so much mainstream
status quo damage control.
It must have a little something to do with the 20+ j/m2 of spare/surplus
energy that Venus is getting rid of.
Brad Guth
After all of these months of VIRTIS being on-station and accomplishing
its thing, there's still nothing all that much coming by way of any
scientific substance out of ESA's Venus EXPRESS team of wizards. They
must all be on some kind of MI/NSA paid vacation, or perhaps becoming
quite dead.
Too bad their nifty VIRTIS PFS instrument isn't being allowed to
function, as otherwise worth 90% of their entire mission is at best
somewhat of a piss poor situation.
I guess we wouldn't want yet another honest instrument telling us as to
the thermal imbalance of Venus, as that alone would blow a few too many
faith based socks off.
Where's our good old F.W. Taylor these hocus-pocus/infomercial spewing
days?
Are they all so deathly afraid that John Ackerman was actually right
about something?
Or, is the BAA and Oxford University taboo/nondisclosure status about
Venus, actually all about their ongoing banishment of myself?
"Electric Dipole of Venus" Feb 08, 2005 is about the last we've heard of
our F. W. Taylor.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050208venusdipole.htm
Taylor F.W., Some fundamental questions concerning the circulation of
the atmosphere of Venus, Advances in Space Research, Vol. 29, pp.
227-231, 2002.
Professor F. W. Taylor is Halley Professor of Physics at Oxford
University.
Oxford Venus Express Group / F.W. Taylor Homepage
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/user/fwt/WebPage/index.htm
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/user/fwt/WebPage/Venus%20Review%204.htm
Brad Guth
There's wind derived energy, and then there's Venus
"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message
news:45c134b1...@news.clara.net
> Where would you get the water or superheated steam on Venus to
> sustain life . How much energy would it take to keep cool on Venus.
> What does the third law of energy say, something like you cant use
> surrounding heat to cool something.
For starters, keep your nasty ulterior motivated naysayism to yourself.
I hope this latest effort, that's w/o lose cannon, reads a little
better.
The environment of Venus is nowhere near the upper limits of what
applied technology can be sustained within. Heat is only a problem if
exceeding the continuous rating of a given alloy or that of whatever
substance is being utilized. Technically Venus is not too hot unless
you're talking about some active lava/mud flows or nasty S8 gas vent
that by rights should be smoking hot enough to help process the likes of
raw alloys and even extensively as to processing basalt into other nifty
composite things. Do I really have to inform you folks as to what one
can accomplish with such process heat, and of what a little applied
vacuum can muster?
Do I also have to keep explaining as to how one goes about extracting
the h2o from them cool acidic clouds? (trust me, it's less complicated
than physics-101)
Obviously you folks don't even pretend to understand or otherwise
appreciate what Venus has to offer. Can you smart folks explain as to
why those regular laws of physics as applied to the existing pressure
and thermal differentials that are available right off the geothermally
heated surface, of 4+ bar/km and otherwise 10 K/km can't function?
BTW; The average surface itself offers 20 J/m2, with obviously those
elevated cooler terrain areas and otherwise having those potential
S8/CO2/H2O gas vents worthy of at least several KJ/m2 if not offering a
MJ/m2. So, other than keeping your personal cool via applied technology
and common village idiot sense, where's the big-ass insurmountable
problem with extracting local energy? (just specify, as to how many
spare mega, giga or terajoules would you like?)
I'll likely have to keep revising and repost the edited version of that
Venusian habitat spec., although no matters what, it's entirely doable
as of old/existing technology. As for keeping your cool, I've roughly
calculated as little as one KJ/individual should do the well insulated
habitat trick of getting rid of whatever's surplus energy, that is as
long as you're not running around outside where you might require half
again to twice that much energy.
Water can be rather easily extracted from the raw tonnage of what's
sustained with those relatively cool acidic clouds, or perhaps otherwise
taken from all of those active mud flows, or at the very least obtained
from all the ice cold beer we intend to bring along with our cache of
frozen pizza, as such this requirement of water should not be a problem.
The upper and much cooler atmospheric realm of 45 to 75 km is that of
acidic clouds and top/bottom haze, whereas via FW Taylor and a few
others having estimated such at 25% h2o.
That's roughly 14e18 m3 of acidic clouds and haze, with supposedly 25%
of such being of plain old h2o.
Taking the 90.5% gravity and the mostly co2 atmosphere into account,
thereby giving an average density worth of roughly 2 kg/m3 = 28e18 kg =
28e15 tonnes
28e15 * 25% = 7e15 tonnes
Just for being on the conservative side of such things; I'd give that
volume of such acidic cloud an h2o volumetric worth of 5e15 tonnes
(that's merely 5000 teratonnes of plain old h2o). Even if there were
but 1000 teratonnes of h2o, where's the problem?
The real question becomes; As though your personal cache of ice cold
beer isn't sufficient, how many of those Venusian teratonnes worth of
h2o do you thirsty folks require?
As with the need for your biological necessity of o2 at 96 bar should
not demand greater than a 1/99 factor of o2/h2, whereas conventional
perspiration (inside and out) should also become minimal and thus the
need for water consumption should not be more than 10% of whatever's
your norm. In other words, one or two icy cold beers per 24 hours
should more than do the trick.
Venus simply is not Earth, so stop thinking like a terrestrial village
idiot's mindset that's so mainstream status quo boxed that you're beyond
the point of no return.
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:b6aeb6308e6b0d2034b...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>Oddly, the ESA Venus EXPRESS mission isn't talking to us any more.
>
>Apparently their team of wizards can only accomplish so much mainstream
>status quo damage control.
>
>It must have a little something to do with the 20+ j/m2 of spare/surplus
>energy that Venus is getting rid of.
Translation: Brad can't find any new radar images to over-process by
searching the WWW.
>-
>Brad Guth
Your sig is still malformed, Brad.
--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
Brad Guth
ESA's Venus EXPRESS is still down for the faith-based count. I guess
MI/NSA isn't about to let go of ESA's private parts, especially of their
PFS capability that's supposely broken, yet they can't quite manage to
share the internal truth as to what and how that robust PFS instrument
is supposedly not functioning.
Brad Guth
Venus EXPRESS is no longer alive, as sadly MI/NSA~NASA has pretty much
nailed their coffins shut.
As hot and nasty as Venus is, it still has us beat at offering hundreds
of fold more locally available energy/m2, that's actually
environmentally clean (soot free as well as near zero NOx and it's even
free of any artificial CO2 potential) and otherwise perfectly renewable
to boot. Unfortunately, the relatively newish planetology and
geothermally active nature of Venus is still intellectually as well as
scientifically off-limits, as sequestered in official
taboo/nondisclosure mode, where it's having to remain as stealth as were
all of those Muslim or Islamic WMD.
I happen to totally agree with the honest topic intent of promoting as
much as possible "Solar, not nuclear", in that a composite solar PV,
stirling and wind turbine per energy tower can in fact deliver a clean
and perfectly safe footprint of energy density that's worth 37.5 kw/m2
(37.5 kjhr/m2). However, the nuclear alternatives at perhaps at their
best birth to grave 375 whr/m2 or 375 jhr/m2 are not going down without
a tough and bloody as hell fight, to each of our mutually polluted and
GW deaths if need be. I also agree that perhaps the best this global
energy shortage fiasco can mange is along with our utilizing nuclear
alternatives for the relatively safely (far better off than coal and
oil) methods of accomplishing 10% of our energy needs. So, I'm not and
never have been your Mr. Anti-Nuclear (after all, there are more than a
few nations of less than heathen status that probably can't be fully
entrusted with nuclear energy, but if we keep making coal and oil spendy
or unavailable, the only viable alternative may come down to WW-III).
BTW; for this and most other topic argument sake, the laws of energy
still represents that 3600 joules = 3600 whr = 1 kwhr. There's nothing
hocus-pocus about it, other than it's the truth and nothing but the
truth, which in modern times of big-energy polluting and raping mother
Earth to death obviously doesn't count for squat.
These big-energy folks that are the best and usually industry paid-for
naysayers against all that's renewable and clean, are into playing their
silly word or syntax games, thereby avoiding the honest intent or jest
of the original topic, and thus focused upon stalking and trashing
whomever and of whatever the following constructive contributions have
to share, as though we're their big-energy approved toilet-paper.
BTW No.2; Global Warming is for real, and in more ways than one, it's
at least partially caused by humanity, and there are consequences of our
past, present and future actions.
Rather oddly, but not hardly a surprise if going by these extra special
infomercial days of all that's pro big-energy and of having to protect
their puppet government(s) mainstream status quo butt, plus seeing those
usual cover thy butt-loads of faith based damage control on steroids,
whereas this following topic of perfectly honest science seems as though
rather Mailgate/Usenet taboo/nondisclosure rated, therefore it must be
offering us too much of the truth and nothing but the truth.
Mailgate/Usenet indext listed as; Message not available:
"Temperature on global warming turned up" by William Elliot
The regular laws of physics and I'm strongly suggesting that as much as
90% of our inside and out GW fiasco is derived from our moon, which
isn't discounting the 10% impact as caused by humanity (at best I'd buy
into a 75%/25% ratio). In other words, if we all departed Earth and let
nature take its planetology course, this Earth would continue to thaw
from the last ice age this planet will ever see. As long as we have
that pesky moon of ours, ice age trapped methanes and CO2 will in fact
keep "Bubbling Through Seafloor Creates Undersea Hills", though at a
reduced rate if the human factor were entirely eliminated.
http://www.mbari.org/news/news_releases/2007/paull-plfs.html
You folks do realize that Earth isn't getting itself any bigger, whereas
if anything it's ever so gradually shrinking, exactly as it should.
Imagine that, another truth being told that we're not supposed to know
about, just like we're not supposed to realize that our magnetosphere
has been losing its worth at 0.05%/year.
Clearly our nifty orbiting mascon/moon is in fact so 'one of a kind'
unusually massive and nearby, so much so extra special that as such it
can't but help to transfer and thereby induce an amount of thermal
energy into our environment by way of tidal forces (inside and out),
plus whatever's unavoidably contributed from all of those reflected and
secondary worth of IR/FIR photons.
This following topic link is still a tough mainstream nut to crack, much
less sell, as it's representing a serious load of perfectly weird
notions based entirely upon the regular laws of physics, that's having
to do with our creating a surplus of shade for Earth, by way of
relocating our moon to Earth's L1. (easier said than done)
Next Space Station: 7.35e22 kg at Earth's L1
Earth's L1 for accommodating something of the robust mass of our moon,
that also has the LSE-CM/ISS of 256e6 tonnes of our interplanetary
gateway to deal with, is essentially a planetoid parallel parking zone
that's roughly 4 fold further away than its current 384,400 km orbital
status, thus 1.5376e6 km representing 1/16th the mutual attracting or
holding force of gravity, as well as having cut the amount of tidal
energy that's getting applied back into Earth's environment should be of
a similar reduction. However, once fully aligned with the sun while
parked within this halo orbit of Earth's L1 should actually not allow
that combined sol+moon tidal energy to at most drop to half of
whatever's currently taking place. I haven't fully polished off the
physics math in order to prove all of this, but I do believe it'll end
up being somewhere between this third amount less and perhaps half of
what tides we're currently dealing with, which is actually quite a
significant reduction in tidal energy transfer, that by rights should
also tend to cool off our terrestrial environment (inside and out).
Of course the 24 hour rotation of Earth in relationship to Earth's L1 is
no longer the same as our moon's existing 1.023 km/s. In one weird
sense we'd have to speed that moon of our's up to 112 km/s, which is
actually worth 6e23 joules, and that's seemingly going to be a tough
notion to accomplish because, it's existing 1.023 km/s of 2e20
centripetal joules worth of orbital energy is clearly insufficient for
that of L1, of which can't exactly be derived out of thin air unless
having been continually pulled along and subsequently established by a
sufficient other centripetal force, for getting our moon out to Earth's
L1 in the first place.
Here's some more of this weird math, suggesting what it'll take.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf
r = 1.5376e9 meters
M = 7.35e22 kg
V = 112e3 m/s
Centripetal force: Fc = 5.996254e23 N = 6.11448e22 kgf
6.11448e22 kgf * 9.80665 = 5.996e23 joules Earth-->L1
However Sol-->Earth L1 is what takes that centripetal energy back
-5.996e23 joules Sol-->L1 = 0.0 joules (near zero G)
However, since our moon is already keeping up with Earth is why there's
no real delta-v increase in its orbital velocity. In fact, it's having
to slightly reduce its average orbital velocity that'll become primarily
in relationship to Sol, as having become our binary associated L1
planetoid, as our solar shade instead of being a pesky moon.
In spite of all the usual status quo flak of Usenet's anti-think-tank
and naysayism that's typically of a faith based mindset, of borg like
individuals going postal in order to keep each and every one of their
infomercial lids on tight, whereas giving Earth some badly needed shade
while improving upon the usage of our moon's L1, at the very same time
as having moderated those global warming tidal forces by at least a
third, is what's actually quite doable in spite of whatever their
all-knowing god has to say.
BTW; my LSE-CM/ISS or at the very least a scientific (Earth facing)
tethered science platform or space depot may likely become another
requirement, that is unless having a slightly rotating L1 planetoid
isn't a problem. However, any possible rotation may remain as nullified
since the moon's original L2 tethered mass of 1e12 kg will likely still
exist at some reduced amount of mass, now modified as per acting on
behalf of representing the planetoids's (Sol facing) L1 tethered science
platform(s). In spite of my best dyslexic encrypted efforts, this
moon-->planetoid thing is certainly damn confusing, isn't it.
If you have similar or obviously better math, I'd like to hear about
that. However, if you only wish to topic/author stalk and bash upon
whatever in order to continually whine about the matter of your having
to keep everything exactly as it was, such as when your Earth was flat
and everything else was still in orbit around your faith-based solitary
existence, then don't bother. The same goes if your conditional laws of
physics only applies to terrestrial matters, or on behalf of supporting
those matters orchestrated by and thus approved by the status quo which
you must worship at all cost.
On the other honest topic constructive hand, even if your subjective
interpretations and subsequent ideas or whatever best swag is way off in
another dimension, it's not going to be all that upsetting to my kind of
open mindset way of thinking that's more often outside the box than not
to start with. If you simply can not manage to safely think for
yourself without blowing yet another mainstream status quo gasket, then
perhaps not all is lost when our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) has a
perfectly good paying, non-thinking as well as non-caring job without
ever involving a speck of remorse, for you and others of your kind.
Brad Guth
In spite of the mainstream status quo, of Usenet's naysayism on steriods
and ESA's dead Venus express mission, it seems as though the Venus
internal planetology is perhaps capable of being more like Earth's
interior than you'd think.
"Lots of water in deep mantle"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.geo.geology/browse_frm/thread/b0e760d353eebdc7/f55bd92134888d63?hl=en#f55bd92134888d63
>Gautam Majumdar / Feb 12, 11:17 am
>Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
>From: Gautam Majumdar <gmajum...@freeuk.com>
>Subject: Lots of water in deep mantle
>Earth Mantle 'Ocean': 3-D Seismic Model Of Vast Water Reservoir
>Revealed
"A seismologist at Washington University in St. Louis has made the first
3-D model of seismic wave damping - diminishing - deep in the Earth's
mantle and has revealed the existence of an underground water reservoir
at
least the volume of the Arctic Ocean. It is the first evidence for water
existing in the Earth's deep mantle."
Full story:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070210171556.htm
--
OOPS! Lo and behold the mantel ocean; If there's such a nifty cache of
water, as found upon going that deep and hot within Earth, then Venus
could be nearly internally flooded with such water. Of course, Venus
also has those pesky gigatonnes if not a few spare teratonnes of its
upper atmospheric water to behold, as to share from within them
relatively cool acidic clouds that are perhaps at most 75% acid (I'd
actually go as far as to buy into not more than 66% acid, which leaves
us with 33% for accommodating good old h2o).
Terribly sorry about all that deep and smoking hot water that's
coexisting where we been told such was impossible. With an open
mindset, one might actually consider the honest possibilities for
Venusian water (besides what's sequestered but otherwise easily
accessible from within them acidic cool clouds).
Brad Guth
Apparently my ongoing research as based upon my honest observationology
and of them regular pesky old laws of physics, as pertaining to Venus,
has blown yet another assortment of those mainstream status quo fuses.
Even ESA's Venus EXPRESS mission is now in total taboo/nondisclosure
lock-down mode, simply because the thermal imbalance has been proving
that John Ackerman, many others and myself are perfectly right about the
newish planetology status of Venus, as being the correct interpretation
as deductively extrapolated from the best available science.
Brad Guth
Our Space Policy Sucks, while there's Life on Venus, is still the
ongoing situation.
However, being focused upon the obtainable is in deed what's badly
lacking within the fundamental scope of what our NASA stands for, and
it's obviously going against the fuzzy out-of-focus worth of whatever's
the big-energy grain or uphill flow of their crapolla.
BTW; my poor old PC has been currently taking on more than it's fair
share of their status quo or bust flak, in the form of Usenet
spermware/fuckware. (it's actually funny to watch what they're trying to
do to my PC, and perhaps funnier yet to watch this silly Usenet squirm.
I'll have to try posting this one more time, just for those of us having
a bad Usenet day.
Terraforming Venus is a bad idea, though not impossible for applied
technology and a good measure of intelligence to deal with. At least
Venus is a whole lot technically easier and otherwise biologically safer
than doing our moon, and at times it's only 100 fold the distance as our
moon.
Therefore, Venus is very much alive and kicking our NASA's butt, because
it offers more of just about everything you folks can imagine, so that
science and via their laws of physics have no shortages of raw elements
or of the local energy that's 100% renewable as to processing and/or
creating whatever, and that's without their having to bring each and
everything from Earth. Isn't that the best ever good news, or what?
Venus is also very much so an active planetology environment, that's
anything but within thermal balance, that's happening in spite of our
silly and often faith-based dumbfounded mindset. There are many options
and considerations for sustaining intelligent life upon that
geothermally active planet (even those options on behalf of sustaining
our own dumbfounded and usually bigoted kind). It's so active that even
the ESA Venus EXPRESS team can't disclose hardly anything without their
letting the truth out.
As per the usual and ongoing status quo (much like our war in Iraq
that's getting ready to nuke Iran), whereas Usenet sucks and blows as
good as it always has.
Even their anti-mindset as imposed against whatever applied technology
is rather Amish like. So much so naysay that it's an ongoing game of
words and of otherwise pretending that whatever evidence simply doesn't
exist, that is unless it's about all of those Muslim WMD that supposedly
existed and having ever since their stealth discovery having taken out
600,000+ of mostly innocent lives, and counting. (by the end of this
year we should have passed the million mark, and perhaps fuel going for
$5/gallon)
In spite of all the nasty gauntlet(s) worth of their insider spin,
infomercial hypology and ongoing damage-control flak, there's still the
best available science as to having uncovered the physical mark of other
intelligent life that's existing/coexisting on Venus, as well as our
having the necessary physics and best available science as to backing
that up, yet this mainstream Usenet anti-think-tank from infomercial
hell shows us no such intelligence whatsoever, other than more of their
same old brown-nose buttology that's rather nicely MI/NSA orchestrated
in order to suit their all-knowing Old Testament mindset w/o remorse.
(seems almost Muslim like, except that we we know damn good and well
that it's mostly Jewish).
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:54cee22f660f7b681af...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>Our Space Policy Sucks, while there's Life on Venus, is still the
>ongoing situation.
>
>However, being focused upon the obtainable is in deed what's badly
>lacking within the fundamental scope of what our NASA stands for, and
>it's obviously going against the fuzzy out-of-focus worth of whatever's
>the big-energy grain or uphill flow of their crapolla.
>
>BTW; my poor old PC has been currently taking on more than it's fair
>share of their status quo or bust flak, in the form of Usenet
>spermware/fuckware. (it's actually funny to watch what they're trying to
>do to my PC, and perhaps funnier yet to watch this silly Usenet squirm.
>
>I'll have to try posting this one more time, just for those of us having
>a bad Usenet day.
For his oft-repeated delusion that the people who take the time to
laugh at his goofy usenet antics are responsible for implanting his
80386 box with "Usenet spermware/fuckware", I nominate Brad Guth for
Clueless Newbie of the Month.
Any seconds?
>
>Terraforming Venus is a bad idea, though not impossible for applied
>technology and a good measure of intelligence to deal with. At least
>Venus is a whole lot technically easier and otherwise biologically safer
>than doing our moon, and at times it's only 100 fold the distance as our
>moon.
>
>Therefore, Venus is very much alive and kicking our NASA's butt, because
>it offers more of just about everything you folks can imagine, so that
[remaining guth-screed flushed]
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
Kali
er...@caballista.org said:
:
: >"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >news:54cee22f660f7b681af...@mygate.mailgate.org
: >
: >Our Space Policy Sucks, while there's Life on Venus, is still the
: >ongoing situation.
: >
: >However, being focused upon the obtainable is in deed what's badly
: >lacking within the fundamental scope of what our NASA stands for, and
: >it's obviously going against the fuzzy out-of-focus worth of whatever's
: >the big-energy grain or uphill flow of their crapolla.
: >
: >BTW; my poor old PC has been currently taking on more than it's fair
: >share of their status quo or bust flak, in the form of Usenet
: >spermware/fuckware. (it's actually funny to watch what they're trying to
: >do to my PC, and perhaps funnier yet to watch this silly Usenet squirm.
: >
: >I'll have to try posting this one more time, just for those of us having
: >a bad Usenet day.
:
: For his oft-repeated delusion that the people who take the time to
: laugh at his goofy usenet antics are responsible for implanting his
: 80386 box with "Usenet spermware/fuckware", I nominate Brad Guth for
: Clueless Newbie of the Month.
:
: Any seconds?
Seconded.
Must be something in the kook water supply:
MID: <1173380023.9...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
: >Terraforming Venus is a bad idea, though not impossible for applied
: >technology and a good measure of intelligence to deal with. At least
: >Venus is a whole lot technically easier and otherwise biologically safer
: >than doing our moon, and at times it's only 100 fold the distance as our
: >moon.
: >
: >Therefore, Venus is very much alive and kicking our NASA's butt, because
: >it offers more of just about everything you folks can imagine, so that
:
: [remaining guth-screed flushed]
Kali
--
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called
research, would it?"
- Albert Einstein
Art Deco
Looks like Goofy needs to start stocking up on new computers and
bandwidth, the stalkerazi are everywhere, you know.
>
>: >Terraforming Venus is a bad idea, though not impossible for applied
>: >technology and a good measure of intelligence to deal with. At least
>: >Venus is a whole lot technically easier and otherwise biologically safer
>: >than doing our moon, and at times it's only 100 fold the distance as our
>: >moon.
>: >
>: >Therefore, Venus is very much alive and kicking our NASA's butt, because
>: >it offers more of just about everything you folks can imagine, so that
>:
>: [remaining guth-screed flushed]
>
>Kali
--
Brad Guth
news:essiun$l22$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com
I see that you're still into topic hijacking whatever rocks your boat,
such as into your alt.usenet.kooks and alt.fan.art-bell cesspools of
intellectual incest, that's mostly Jewish dominated at that.
Venus is simply more than geothermally alive and kicking, but don't tell
UPI or NASA.
Besides there being a great deal of perfectly clean and renewable energy
that's between Earth and that of our so unusually massive and nearby
moon, at best this is only a small portion of what the Usenet shadow
contains, that which these MI/NSA spooks and moles are so deathly afraid
of sharing. Such as our moon being hot in more lethal and nearly
insurmountable ways than Venus is merely geothermally hot.
According to the kind wisdom of Isaac Asimov, and a few others, there's
roughly 50e12 tonnes or m3 of water within Earth's wussy atmosphere.
(imagine how much of that buoyant yet merely acidic upper cloud filled
atmosphere of Venus might offer)
Just for the fun of knowing what's what; It has been calculated that a
smooth Earth would become entirely covered by 8,800' or 2.682 km of
water (that's excluding atmospheric water and a few other volumes, much
of which exist underground).
There has been over 170 terrestrial magnetic flips (much like the one
we're about to go through, and hopefully recover from without our SAA,
moon, solar and of those cosmic rads exceeding our extremely frail DNA
limits). As it stands, 10,000 folks die for receiving too much
radiation as is, and our SAA contour is simply lethal to the likes of
ISS/ESS as is.
Of new life and if need be evolved as new and improved life is NOT
always the least bit dependent upon o2, as there are a good many
micro-organisms and of a few larger than micro that can only survive in
the absence of o2, or that of nearly zilch worth of o2.
Human and most certainly of ET intelligent design can also apply a good
number of modifications to a given code of DNA, so as to best adapt that
DNA's host to whatever environment that's other than what we on Earth so
admirer and/or insist that all other worthy life must adapt to.
This real form of ongoing intelligent design and subsequent application
of technology can certainly give new meaning as to sustaining other life
not as we know of, or even as for sustaining that life exactly as
snookered and dumbfounded as we know of, as for such existence within
otherwise lethal environments made possible for the task of having to
survive upon worlds other than Earth, or certainly of affording way
better odds than that of any silly moonsuit buut-naked walking upon our
physically dark and nasty moon that has more lethal rads to spare than
you can shake a fist full of flaming sticks at (and that's on a
relatively good and thus passive solar day, because you simply can't get
yourself away from the surrounding reactive and otherwise somewhat
radioactive mass of the moon itself).
Since there is still no physics of local planetology telling us
otherwise, much like appreciating the vast bulk of our deposited oceans,
whereas most of Earth's salt is also a deposit, rather than having
emerged from within the planetology workings of Earth. For example;
thus far Mars hasn't nearly the ratio of salt, yet our moon is still
losing its salt.
Since there is still nothing as having provided objective proof of our
truly massive and nearby moon being around prior to the very last ice
age this planet will ever see, it stands to good reason that our moon
simply represents a relatively newish arrival. Of its gravity and tidal
forced thermal/energy affects upon Earth (inside and out) is the primary
reason or culprit as to why this energy starved orb of ours is
continually thawing out from that very last ice age, and of course
modern humanity has been doing all that it can, as to continually erode,
bulk thermal energy pollute, having further contributed via sooty
surface and atmospheric deposits, and otherwise having chemically
polluted, plus radium and other radioactive element polluted our surface
environments, and thereby having traumatised critical life forces (such
as diatoms) and subsequently expediting our demise via the ongoing
melting of whatever dirty snow and ice is left. Are we good at
pillaging, raping and summarily trashing mother Earth, or what! Could
we have accomplished it any faster? (I don't think so)
As our artificially induced erosion continues and ice melts, eventually
we'll obtain 50 meters of extra ocean depth to deal with whatever's left
of our shrinking coastal terrain. Fortunately, our Antarctica will
become viable real estate to behold, and Greenland should make for yet
another dry spot of land that's still above the average of extremely
stormy sea level.
Intelligent life on Venus isn't likely as easy as I may have suggested,
as for starters you'd have to be real smart, and/or otherwise advanced
enough in your local or forced evolution in order to deal with all of
that spare and essentially renewable energy. In either case, that
criteria pretty much eliminates the vast bulk of our human species, if
not entirely.
With faith-based whatever that's in charge of promoting greed, arrogance
and bigotry is most likely why the human species will not likely advance
beyond the point of our mutual demise, and no ET worth their salt would
dare to intervene unless to prevent our perverted and/or snookered and
thus easily dumbfounded mindset from escaping this Earth.
If there was ever objective proof of intelligent design's what not to
do, as such it would have to be with this faith based species of
humanity that has infested Earth. Perhaps ETs have learned from their
mistakes, whereas newer worlds or of terraformed/salvaged worlds are
simply less focused upon taking advantage of one another, and otherwise
less inclined to traumatising and otherwise trashing their environment.
Those few of us (0.0001% or at best one out of a million) that actually
gives a tinkers damn, apparently we or any of our silly notions don't
count, which is more than good reason enough for the keeping of humanity
sequestered or otherwise incarcerated for life upon this world that's
failing us in more ways than most would care to appreciate.
If you were a sufficiently smart enough ET; what amount if any of
Earth's mutated DNA would you allow to populate another planet?
Art Deco
>"Kali" <ka...@powder.keg> wrote in message
>news:essiun$l22$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com
>
>I see that you're still into topic hijacking whatever rocks your boat,
>such as into your alt.usenet.kooks and alt.fan.art-bell cesspools of
>intellectual incest, that's mostly Jewish dominated at that.
Any evidence for your latest delusion, Brad?
[guth-spew flushed, unread]
Brad Guth
Silly Art Fucko doing his/her/whatever fuckology thing of topic/author
stalking and bashing. Gee whiz folks, what a silly surprise.
There's real ESA/express science to behold that's new and improved, as
pertaining to Venus, and yet the MI/NSA spook mindset of mostly damage
control is as good as it gets.
You few and far between honest folks (none Jewish media) just need to
look upon that rather nifty image of Venus that I've provided, and
that's by far more than enough to honestly argue about.
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3620067d6ed0e58138b...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>Silly Art Fucko doing his/her/whatever fuckology thing of topic/author
*ding* <tips sombrero>
>stalking and bashing. Gee whiz folks, what a silly surprise.
>
>There's real ESA/express science to behold that's new and improved, as
>pertaining to Venus, and yet the MI/NSA spook mindset of mostly damage
>control is as good as it gets.
>
>You few and far between honest folks (none Jewish media) just need to
>look upon that rather nifty image of Venus that I've provided, and
>that's by far more than enough to honestly argue about.
Find any new alien cities in over-processed radar images yet, Brad?
Brad Guth
Art Fucko and of his incest cloned kind are exactly like so much used
toilet paper that's stuck to your shoe.
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:edb9bfd6f6d419638c3...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>Art Fucko and of his incest cloned kind are exactly like so much used
>toilet paper that's stuck to your shoe.
Just more of the Guthian kookfroth that garnered Brad the coveted
Busted Urinal Award:
<http://www.caballista.org/auk/kookle.php?search=guth>
Brad Guth
I smell yet another jewish Art fart, and I'm way upwind.
Brad Guth
Good Christ almighty, is this one a good mainstream status quo boat
rocking topic or what.
TheBookman
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:24:25 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, Art Deco
> <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>
>>Brad Guth <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3620067d6ed0e58138b...@mygate.mailgate.org
>>>
>>>Silly Art Fucko doing his/her/whatever fuckology thing of topic/author
>>
>>*ding* <tips sombrero>
>>
>>>stalking and bashing. Gee whiz folks, what a silly surprise.
>>>
>>>There's real ESA/express science to behold that's new and improved, as
>>>pertaining to Venus, and yet the MI/NSA spook mindset of mostly damage
>>>control is as good as it gets.
>>>
>>>You few and far between honest folks (none Jewish media) just need to
>>>look upon that rather nifty image of Venus that I've provided, and
>>>that's by far more than enough to honestly argue about.
>>
>>Find any new alien cities in over-processed radar images yet, Brad?
>
> maybe he will take lesson on how to over process images from
> hoggie...
Brad Guth, learning something - even new pseudoscience? You're joking,
right?
ESL!
--
Bookman -The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in AFA-B
Kazoo Konspirator #668 (The Neighbor of the Beast)
Clue-Bat Wrangler
Keeper of the Nickname Lists
Despotic Kookologist of the New World Order
Hammer of Thor award, October 2005
BARBARA WOODHOUSE MEMORIAL DOG-WHISTLE AWARD
MIKE "MIGUEL" CRANSTON, TRAINED BY BOOKMAN
COOSN-266-06-89425
"I'd love to kill you in a ring" - Bartmo gets all touchy-feely
"****SPV....... So yes I am an idiot."
"ASK THE NWS, YOUR TAX DOLLAR GOES TO THEM NOT TO DR.TURI."
- Mr. Turi explains how to accurately predict hurricanes
"Bookman is yet another Usenet fignuten, meaning naysayer and/or
rusemaster of their incest cloned Third Reich. In other words, you're
communicating with an intellectual if not a biological clone of
Hitler."
- Brad Guth tries to wax "scientific", but invokes Godwin, instead.
WWFSMD?
Brad Guth
news:1g4ytd05jiwp9.1...@40tude.net
The usual silly fuckology. Once again the space toilets of Usenet take
to posting their infomercial crapolla.
Art Deco
>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:516adde70a4a567cf73...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
>I smell yet another jewish Art fart, and I'm way upwind.
Wow, you are such an elite lamer, Brad.
Art Deco
>"TheBookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote in message
>news:1g4ytd05jiwp9.1...@40tude.net
>
>The usual silly fuckology. Once again the space toilets of Usenet take
>to posting their infomercial crapolla.
Project much, Brad?
TheBookman
> Brad Guth <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"TheBookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote in message
>>news:1g4ytd05jiwp9.1...@40tude.net
>>
>>The usual silly fuckology. Once again the space toilets of Usenet take
>>to posting their infomercial crapolla.
>
> Project much, Brad?
Bratty forgot his borg lames this time, how odd. Still, he fufilled his
scat and "fuckology" lames, so I can count coup on that much.
TheBookman
> Brad Guth <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:516adde70a4a567cf73...@mygate.mailgate.org
>>
>>I smell yet another jewish Art fart, and I'm way upwind.
>
> Wow, you are such an elite lamer, Brad.
What do you expect from a fart-sniffer like teh Guthball? He _is_
obessessed with all things scatological, after all - when he's not invoking
his favorite racisms, of course.
Laan ten Strontridderke
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:40:11 -0600, Art Deco wrote:
>
>> Brad Guth <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:516adde70a4a567cf73...@mygate.mailgate.org
>>>
>>> I smell yet another jewish Art fart, and I'm way upwind.
>>
>> Wow, you are such an elite lamer, Brad.
>
> What do you expect from a fart-sniffer like teh Guthball? He _is_
> obessessed with all things scatological, after all - when he's not
> invoking his favorite racisms, of course.
And when he's not avoiding pertinent questions.
--
alt.usenet.kooks - Hammer of Thor: February 2007.
Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker:
September 2005, April 2006, January 2007.
Vescere puter subgalia meis.
"Now I know what it is. Now I know what it means when an
alt.usenet.kook x-post shows up."
AOK in news:ermdlu$nli$1...@registered.motzarella.org
nons...@unsettled.com
> "Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:54cee22f660f7b681af...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
> Good Christ almighty, is this one a good mainstream status quo boat
> rocking topic or what.
You're one of those people who makes bad out of everything.
Brad Guth
news:86c34$45f5516f$4fe7735$10...@DIALUPUSA.NET
OK, if the truth and nothing but the truth is qualified as bad new
within your NASA/Apollo koran, then so be it.
I simply believe in WYSIWYG, and otherwise believe in those bits of
replicated science that goes along with those pesky regular laws of
physics, which obviously goes against most everything you folks believe
in.
Sorry about all that.
Brad Guth
news:p05bc.j...@news.alt.net
> And when he's not avoiding pertinent questions.
"pertinent questions" that are topic related, such as??????
BTW; I want answers, not your silly loaded questions. Or, is that
simply too much to ask of such an Old Testament faith based borg
collective?
Art Deco
>On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:17:39 -0500, in alt.usenet.kooks, TheBookman
><thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:21:15 -0800, Bob Officer wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:24:25 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, Art Deco
>>> <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Brad Guth <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Brad Guth" <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:3620067d6ed0e58138b...@mygate.mailgate.org
>>>>>
>>>>>Silly Art Fucko doing his/her/whatever fuckology thing of topic/author
>>>>
>>>>*ding* <tips sombrero>
>>>>
>>>>>stalking and bashing. Gee whiz folks, what a silly surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>>There's real ESA/express science to behold that's new and improved, as
>>>>>pertaining to Venus, and yet the MI/NSA spook mindset of mostly damage
>>>>>control is as good as it gets.
>>>>>
>>>>>You few and far between honest folks (none Jewish media) just need to
>>>>>look upon that rather nifty image of Venus that I've provided, and
>>>>>that's by far more than enough to honestly argue about.
>>>>
>>>>Find any new alien cities in over-processed radar images yet, Brad?
>>>
>>> maybe he will take lesson on how to over process images from
>>> hoggie...
>>
>>Brad Guth, learning something - even new pseudoscience? You're joking,
>>right?
>
>it isn't that had to keep enlarging any image beyond it basic
>resolution. Hoagie did it. many ghost hunting kooks do it. Guth will
>or does it now.
Past tense.
>
>imitation is what it is... learning even the improper way to do
>something it something a kook can't do. maybe the word is
>"diskookery".
All kooks must have a kookshite, it's the code of the west:
<http://guthvenus.tripod.com/>
Especially:
<http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm>
Enjoy.
Art Deco
>"Laan ten Strontridderke" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:p05bc.j...@news.alt.net
>
>> And when he's not avoiding pertinent questions.
>
>
>"pertinent questions" that are topic related, such as??????
Like this one: why do you over-process radar images, Brad?
>
>BTW; I want answers, not your silly loaded questions.
Irony overload.
>Or, is that
>simply too much to ask of such an Old Testament faith based borg
>collective?
Shuttup, Brad.
nons...@unsettled.com
> Brad Guth <brad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Laan ten Strontridderke" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:p05bc.j...@news.alt.net
>>
>>
>>>And when he's not avoiding pertinent questions.
>>
>>
>>"pertinent questions" that are topic related, such as??????
>
>
> Like this one: why do you over-process radar images, Brad?
>
>>BTW; I want answers, not your silly loaded questions.
>
>
> Irony overload.
>
>
>>Or, is that
>>simply too much to ask of such an Old Testament faith based borg
>>collective?
>
>
> Shuttup, Brad.
He's giving away *secrets*.
brad...@gmail.com
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3620067d6ed0e58138b...@mygate.mailgate.org
>
> Silly Art Fucko doing his/her/whatever fuckology thing of topic/author
> stalking and bashing. Gee whiz folks, what a silly surprise.
>
> There's real ESA/express science to behold that's new and improved, as
> pertaining to Venus, and yet the MI/NSA spook mindset of mostly damage
> control is as good as it gets.
>
> You few and far between honest folks (none Jewish media) just need to
> look upon that rather nifty image of Venus that I've provided, and
> -BradGuth
Obviously the naysay focus and/or intent of this anti-think-tank of
such a hocus-pocus Usenet from Old Testament hell doesn't care to
discuss and/or much less share and share alike.
The ongoing infomercial buttology of folks here is clearly what sucks
and blows, just as I've stipulated being the case from the very get-
go.
The truth and nothing but the truth doesn't hardly stand a chance in
hell, much less within this NASA/Apollo sucking Usenet that more brown-
nosed than not.
That nifty image (of 36 looks/pixel) of a community of obviously large
scale and fairly complex structures upon Venus is in fact quite real,
and it's by far the best available pixel truth in town.
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
alone killed it.
Of course, they could always trun that nifty and otherwise robust PFS
instrument back on, and subsequently knock our socks off.
Too bad there's so much ongoing official damage control about Venus,
especially that nifty part about there having been other intelligent
life on Venus.
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
The warm and fuzzy likes of "David Johnson" is yet another infomercial
spewing naysayer, as from the very get-go he'd much rather believe in
anything and absolutely everything as promoted or published by or
otherwise media/infomercial approved of by our NASA teams of all-
knowing wizards. Obviously his kind of silly topic contribution is
simply another total fabricated lie, as bogus as were all of those
Muslim WMD, so what's actually new?
At the very least, the newish and thus active planetology of Venus
offers us loads more of just about anything and everything under the
sun, that is unless you're a certified Usenet naysay moron (aka Old
Testament fart), in which case even Earth sucks (especially those
parts occupied by Muslims).
The regular laws of physics apply, as do the results of replicated
science. Unfortunately, none of that hardly matters when you're still
trying to pull off or otherwise justify the ultimate grand ruse/sting
of our mutually perpetrated cold-war century, and otherwise trying to
pillage and rape mother Earth for all she's worth, and then some.
Guth Venus site #2 and #3 are considerably more subjective
interpretations than of the Guth Venus site No.1. There's only
perfectly good enough reasons to consider these other two sites as
being most likely what I've suggested, even though there simply is not
sufficient resolution for most of us to deal with.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/new-sites.html
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
If I'd applied better PhotoShop, as such the surrounding terrain of
what's most likely of hot rock and whatever's the local soil or
perhaps of all of that supposed melted lead (though why the hell not
melted gold) would become as equally enhanced as for the village or
township like setting that's hosting all of those extremely
interesting structures and infrastructure. Even the small 1:1 crop of
raw pixel information is simply good enough image information to
suggest upon intelligent other life existing/coexisting upon Venus.
If you folks simply can't be bothered as to sharing an honestly open
mindset, then I most certainly can't be bothered as to try any honest
efforts at sharing whatever little I happen to know is worth sharing.
Such image interpretations are not easy (just ask our resident warlord
about all of those WMD that turned out being every bit as stealth as
Usama bin Laden). Your best interpretations are in fact going to be
different than mine, which really doesn't bother myself as long as you
are honestly trying to see the potential of whatever's within the
original 36 look/pixel image (that's similar to 36 stacks of a given
CCD composite image) are having to suggest as to a reasonably positive
or yaysay mindset.
In other words, if you folks start yourself off within the usual
mainstream naysay boxed mindset, you might as well forget about
whatever's within the image interpretation of even appreciating all of
those surrounding hot rocks, because no matters what, in that case
nothing whatsoever counts, just as though you're Amish or perhaps
Muslim about such photographs, yet you'll believe each and every NASA/
Apollo related photograph is God's truth and nothing but the truth,
that pertains to such representing the one and only real thing. (go
figure)
-
Brad Guth