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Brad Guth

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Jul 4, 2006, 11:15:50 AM7/4/06
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Wouldn't you just know it, that the first of the Venus EXPRESS 6
composite images as having been officially processed for delivering to
us village idiots the most eye-candy and otherwise contributed for our
investigative pleasure, whereas thus far such images are showing a
semi-thermal gradient ratio of .075 to 0.5, as representing a 6.67:1
ratio from the fully solar illuminated side to significant portions of
the nighttime atmospheric season as being considerably cooler.
Actually, some of the coolest zones are not worth 0.05, thus we're
talking 10:1 as being the maximum differential, that which doesn't
surprise myself one bit.

It's the transitions from daytime to tighttime and of the polar vortex
patterns that are the most reveiling.

In addition to whatever's of an unavoidably extra toasty atmospheric
season of daytime, as false colour depicted and as otherwise expected
it seems the much cooler nighttime season is covering a considerably
greater percentage of that atmospheric environment by something near
15%, with a great deal of thermal energy extraction taking place at the
poles. Since these images are a composite of UV through near-IR is why
there's no specific thermal gradient involved, other than the afforded
by the observed differential that's as great as 10:1 as based upon the
graphic scale included with each image. The actual thermal range of
daytime/nighttime differentials will likely soon follow unless FW
Taylor desides otherwise.

http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=Venus%20Express&single=y&start=5
"The images (taken at 5 microns) were obtained at six different time
slots and different distances from Venus (top left: 12 April, from 210
000 kilometres; top centre: 13 April, from 280 000 kilometres; top
right: 14 April, from 315 000 kilometres; bottom left:16 April, from
315 000 kilometres; bottom centre: 17 April, from 270 000 kilometres;
bottom right: 19 April, from 190 000 kilometres), while the spacecraft
moved along a long ellipse around the planet. The separate images can
be downloaded here [ COB_01_geo.TIF, COB_02_geo.TIF, COB_03_geo.TIF,
COB_04_geo.TIF, COB_05_geo.TIF, COB_06_geo.TIF]."

BTW; there is also an interesting little item of less than one degree
that's seemingly operating above the cloud layer of that planet, that's
depicted as somehow much cooler than the surrounding atmosphere, being
too large for any artificial satellite that we could possibly have
accomplished. It's existing as though operating just above the equator
and near the 20 degree mark. Because it's within 6 out of 6 images, as
such I doubt that it's of an imaging glitch.
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Brad Guth

HG LINDBERG

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Jul 4, 2006, 1:37:58 PM7/4/06
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Here is some Venus images taken from Old Earth, how needs a spaceship :o)
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm

h-g
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Brad Guth

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Jul 4, 2006, 3:36:36 PM7/4/06
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HG LINDBERG wrote:
> Here is some Venus images taken from Old Earth, how needs a spaceship :o)
> http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm
>
> h-g
> "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:1152026149.9...@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

David Haworth,
Your April 18 and 19, 2006 images of Venus is impressive, as it's
showing the rest of us village idiots that the very interesting little
item as imaged by Venus EXPRESS that's not actually so physically
little, as cruising near the equator but clearly above the cloud deck,
is looking directly at good old mother Earth. Imagine that?
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060418.htm
http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060419.htm

I also like your Venus and moon shots that goes to further prove that
even the limited DR of the NASA/Apollo unfiltered Kodak film wouldn't
have had any problems whatsoever if having included the likes of Venus,
as unavoidably situated above the physically dark(0.07 albedo) and
otherwise nasty moon of ours.

Your "2002 May 19 Nikon Coolpix 990 Digital Camera Image of Gemini,
Jupiter, Moon, Venus & Mars" as all within the same frame and exposure
is also quite impressive.

Got any idea why it's taking the ESA Venus EXPRESS team better than 2.5
months to process those terrific images? I tend to wonder as to what
other images they're not sharing with us.

Got anything of the Sirius star system in color, that which can be
composite placed side by side along with an identical exposure taken of
our moon?

BTW; "how needs a spaceship" ? (me too, as a rigid airship that the
likes of "tomcat" or perhaps China's aerospace will help engineer and
build for us, though I wouldn't discount India).
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Brad Guth

Art Deco

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Jul 4, 2006, 11:37:19 PM7/4/06
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Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Wouldn't you just know it, that the first of the Venus EXPRESS 6
>composite images as having been officially processed

So much for your whining about data suppression, kook.

>for delivering to
>us village idiots the most eye-candy and otherwise contributed for our
>investigative pleasure, whereas thus far such images are showing a
>semi-thermal gradient ratio of .075 to 0.5, as representing a 6.67:1
>ratio from the fully solar illuminated side to significant portions of
>the nighttime atmospheric season as being considerably cooler.
>Actually, some of the coolest zones are not worth 0.05, thus we're
>talking 10:1 as being the maximum differential, that which doesn't
>surprise myself one bit.

Translation: Brad hasn't had time overprocess any digital images to
reveal the alien dirigibles yet.


>
>It's the transitions from daytime to tighttime and of the polar vortex
>patterns that are the most reveiling.
>
>In addition to whatever's of an unavoidably extra toasty atmospheric
>season of daytime, as false colour depicted and as otherwise expected
>it seems the much cooler nighttime season is covering a considerably

>greater FLUSH

So, no cities visible, Brad?

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Art Deco

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Jul 4, 2006, 11:42:05 PM7/4/06
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Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>HG LINDBERG wrote:
>> Here is some Venus images taken from Old Earth, how needs a spaceship :o)
>> http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm
>>
>> h-g
>> "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:1152026149.9...@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>David Haworth,
>Your April 18 and 19, 2006 images of Venus is impressive, as it's
>showing the rest of us village idiots that the very interesting little
>item as imaged by Venus EXPRESS that's not actually so physically
>little, as cruising near the equator but clearly above the cloud deck,
>is looking directly at good old mother Earth. Imagine that?

That you are a kook? No imagination is needed, Brad.

>http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm
>http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060418.htm
>http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060419.htm
>
>I also like your Venus and moon shots that goes to further prove that
>even the limited DR of the NASA/Apollo unfiltered Kodak film wouldn't
>have had any problems whatsoever if having included the likes of Venus,
>as unavoidably situated above the physically dark(0.07 albedo) and
>otherwise nasty moon of ours.

Just put down the keyboard and walk away, Brad.


>
>Your "2002 May 19 Nikon Coolpix 990 Digital Camera Image of Gemini,
>Jupiter, Moon, Venus & Mars" as all within the same frame and exposure
>is also quite impressive.
>
>Got any idea why it's taking the ESA Venus EXPRESS team better than 2.5
>months to process those terrific images? I tend to wonder as to what
>other images they're not sharing with us.

Oh, already back to the data suppression kooktheory.


>
>Got anything of the Sirius star system in color, that which can be
>composite placed side by side along with an identical exposure taken of
>our moon?

After that, you can put a photo of P.T. Barnam with an identical
exposure in between the Moon and Sirius.


>
>BTW; "how needs a spaceship" ? (me too, as a rigid airship that the
>likes of "tomcat" or perhaps China's aerospace will help engineer and
>build for us, though I wouldn't discount India).

When do you leave for Venus, Brad?
>-
>Brad Guth

mike flugennock

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Jul 5, 2006, 8:29:19 AM7/5/06
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Brad Guth wrote:
> Wouldn't you just know it, that the first of the Venus EXPRESS 6
> composite images as having been officially processed for delivering to
> us village idiots the most eye-candy and otherwise contributed for our
> investigative pleasure...

Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth;
two out of three ain't bad.


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Brad Guth

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Jul 5, 2006, 11:29:39 AM7/5/06
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I'm one of those village idiots expecting to see new science about
Venus as extensively being that of a geothermally impacted environment,
with the secondary affects being that of the atmospheric conditions
keeping the lid on much of that geothermal energy, plus unavoidably
having the solar energy influx that's as great as 2650 watts/m2 as a
contributing factor to the situation. I'm also expecting to see the
differential of the day/night energy balance as being in favor of
allowing more of the thermal energy to escape than not, thereby
allowing for the gradual cooling process of a planet that's of a newer
planetology study than previously thought possible.

Long before Venus EXPRESS, other's within team KECK had speculated as
to a significant energy imbalance, even having imaged the rather
extensive layer of oxygen that covers a significant portion of the
nighttime season, giving indications as to allowing for the cooling of
Venus, which means that either Venus is a relatively newish planet that
our solar system has acquired, or that it's a recovering planet from
being seriously impacted by some of the heaviest of meteor/asteroid
substances, with a remote third possibility of there being something
thermal nuclear involved.

It is highly probable that Venus is the best ever gold mine of minerals
and rare elements that are being made so easily accessible and
otherwise kept safely available as cloaked by the mostly clean and
obviously toasty dry CO2 layer of a very buoyant and protective
atmosphere. As such Earth sized planets go, the access to/from that
nighttime surface is by far the least technically challenging (meaning
that it's much easier than having to accomplish a similar task upon
Earth), and you certainly don't have to pack along much of any spare
energy for the task of sustaining such operations, processing and the
exporting of whatever substances.

Just by having such locally available resources of energy and that of
an environment that's so well shielded against solar and cosmic
radiation alone is simply the best possible news of what any such
accessible and nearby planet can offer, although with a 0.905 gravity
factor and having 65+kg/m3 of buoyancy to work with is certainly an
extra thick amount of icing on the cake.

Anytime you've got less gravity and a thicker atmosphere to work with,
as such it's technically a win-win situation for getting whatever
to/from that planet.

Anytime you don't have to pack along large amounts of physical
shielding is obviously going to be another positive mission
consideration that's worth a whole lot more than most critics are
willing to admit.

Anytime the local environment can provide megajoules, gigajoules and
even if need be terajoules of spare and renewable energy (that's
squeaky clean none the less), is an absolute multiple win-win on behalf
of just about everything imaginable.

If there's any ongoing question as to what's a seriously big mystery,
is that it's certainly not well understood nor obviously having been
appreciated as to why or how visiting ETs or locals couldn't have made
a go of it, as you'd have to be an absolute heathen of a dumbfounded
moron to not have taken advantage of what's so easily available.

This isn't to say that doing Venus is not a technically demanding
quest, especially if to be insisting upon someday going there in person
is obviously adding loads of insults to whatever injury of what
robotics would require. However, with local energy already being there
to behold, as such there's almost nothing that can not be surmounted on
behalf of accommodating our frail bodies that obviously can not
necessarily take the heat (especially by the season of daytime or
anywhere within volcanic mud/lava flows should be taboo), but otherwise
we can get ourselves adapted to the pressure. With an implanted sinus
shunt for improved intra cranial pressure (ICP) equalizing, it's
possible as to adapt ourselves to the changes in elevation pressure
that's worth as much as 4+ bar/km. Converting CO2-->CO/O2 is just a
matter of applying energy for accomplishing that task (at that great
pressure our biological need for O2 might drop to 1% if the remainder
can be composed of H2). Accessing and thus extracting H2O from those
acidic nighttime clouds is simply another matter of applied physics and
utilizing well proven science, although surface mud flows should also
provide a viable resource of H2O, although perhaps bringing along a few
spare tonnes of H2O might not be such a bad idea for the first effort.

Of course, as already taking place (including efforts to terminate my
PC), you'll unavoidably take notice as to the usual topic/author
stalking, bashings and if possible the efforts of banishment upon any
honest topic that's related to the truth about planets and moons
(especially including Earth and of our moon), as being their Usenet
norm or mainstream status quo or bust criteria that's typically focused
upon being as anti-ET and as anti-truth as they can manage. The trick
is to pay little or no attention to their obvious levels of incest
mindset that only goes to prove, of what others and I have had to offer
is worth their attention.

Would the rest of you folks like to discuss the positive and thus
constructive possibilities, rather than join the gauntlet of flak
that's doing all it can in order to suppress whatever rocks thy boat?
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Brad Guth

OM

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Jul 5, 2006, 12:09:53 PM7/5/06
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On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:29:19 -0400, mike flugennock
<flvg3...@stinkers.org> wrote:

>Brad Guth wrote:

...Who cares?

>Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth;
>two out of three ain't bad.

...Mike, you know better than to respond to Guthball. Just killfile
the willingly molested troll and put him out of our misery. PLEASE.

OM
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Brad Guth

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OM wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:29:19 -0400, mike flugennock
> <flvg3...@stinkers.org> wrote:
>
> ...Who cares?
>
> >Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth;
> >two out of three ain't bad.
>
> ...Mike, you know better than to respond to Guthball. Just killfile
> the willingly molested troll and put him out of our misery. PLEASE.

The sticking of one's mainstream infomercial saturated head into the
nearest disinformation-R-us space-toilet of your mainstream status quo
or bust mindset, that's otherwise badly overflowing with all of your
naysayism on a stick, isn't going to work, now is it?

Venus has been very much so alive and certainly worth our discussing
the options that are available to those few of us that are still able
to think clearly outside the box. God forbid, you should try it
sometime.
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Brad Guth

Brad Guth

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Jul 6, 2006, 3:09:29 PM7/6/06
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Venus EXPRESS and of the ESA team of expertise that's encharge is
coming through with terrific thermal imaging results, which of course
means absolutely nothing to the mainstream status quo of what our NASA
has at it's disposal, of their all-knowing wizards and rusemasters that
obviously don't want others looking and interpreting upon much of
anything that hasn't been moderated by whatever our NASA thinks is
best.

Such as the folloing NASA MIB borg of an e-spook agent that's encharge
of damage-control and of replacing facts with their one and only
version of infomercial-science.
>Art Deco; Brad still doesn't have a clue what color temperature is, I see.

In spite of the official efforts by those working on behalf of our
NASA, at this initial point we simply don't actually need to understand
the exact starting temperature, whereas whatever's hot is hot, or
rather it's of whatever the image calibration or gradient was
established in order to best represent accomplish the image, and
thereby that ratio of being as much as 10:1 cooler by season of
nighttime is obviously representing that of a much cooler nighttime
atmospheric environment for the given penetration of clouds being
accomplished. Obviously eventually the Venus EXPRESS team is going to
extensively nail down within a few +/- K of what that Venusian
atmosphere and perhaps even a touch better science as to what the
geothermal nighttime surface has to offer at various elevations.

Unlike the typical motives and ulterior agenda of this mostly naysay
and/or anti-think-tank Usenet of what NASA's e-spooks and e-moles
intend to accomplish in spite of the facts, I'll most likely accept
whatever the ESA Venus Express team has to offer. At least their best
efforts are not nearly as SWAG or otherwise skewed, as rather based
upon all of their new and improved thermal imaging science as currently
being obtained will also not have to become that of some Jewish
perverted and/or other collective religious mindset that so often goes
by the Usenet name "Art Deco". At least ESA's science is that of
having honestly contributed their science, even if it's having been
nearly 3 months delayed is still a whole lot better than anything we've
had otherwise to work with.

We know from previous science as of October 1991 to expect an upper
cloud deck and haze layer of 70~80 km as having a temperature of
perhaps 200~230 K by day, and perhaps 225~245 K at the bottom layer of
them cool daytime clouds. Of course such thick and acidic clouds do
manage to vary in their altitude from day to night, and we've been
informed as of previous science that at roughly 60~70 km is where a
good portion of these clouds are really on the retrograde move.

Too bad that as per the 'Art Deco' intellectual incest usual, their
mutated naysayism mindset can't seem to contribute all that much of
anything except more of thair flak.

Obviously the visual illumination spectrum differential between the
daytime of what's receiving 2650 w/m2 as opposed to the much cooler
atmosphere of the Venus nighttime season having to make do with the
nearly zilch worth of other than starshine/earthshine, of perhaps -16
db representing 65,535:1 is not of what counts, whereas the initial
thermal ratio of roughly 10:1 is by far of the most importance. With
additional orbits and of applied spectrum filters should eventually
refine that thermal imaging down to something within +/- 5 K resolution
per pixel, and of that effort having obtained greater depth in the
far-IR spectrum that should eventually start to depict a bit of what
the geothermally active surface has to offer.
http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=Venus%20Express&single=y&start=5
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Brad Guth

Brad Guth

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We see that our warm and fuzzy Art Deco has absolutely no problems with
trashing ESA's Venus EXPRESS. Another Jewish thing that's obviously
coded into his incest DNA.
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Brad Guth

Brad Guth

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In spite of all the American anti-ESA efforts (AKA media banishment),
it seems as though there's becoming a great deal of nifty science
that's arriving from ESA's Venus EXPRESS, with lots more on the way.

Flying Over The Cloudy World - Science Updates from Venus Express
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.news/browse_frm/thread/2ccbcc31da147157/26fbf9583ef8fa27?lnk=st&q=venus+express+esa&rnum=7&hl=en#26fbf9583ef8fa27

At perhaps all of ten cents on the dollar, it seems that ESA's realm of
their highly affordable science has nailed down the only viable game in
town. At least the environment of Venus is going to be robotically
obtainable and at times it's only 100 fold the distance of our moon,
each time as offering nearly the same face none the less (getting or
perhaps remaining as nearly tidal locked, as others and I'd say).

Too bad that our NASA is super-glued it's infomercial-science butt to
that Apollo or bust space-toilet. Too bad we're otherwise into
over-extending ourselves and of accomplishing so much multi-trillion
dollar collateral damage and carnage upon the innocent. Too bad we
haven't even established the LL-1 science platform, or much less having
established anything interactive upon the moon that didn't manage to
create an impact crater or that of sink-hole in the process.

Obviously we're too busy lying our perpetrated cold-war butts off,
pretending that we've walked on that gamma and hard-X-ray moon, while
the likes of whatever's Venus doesn't seem to exist, and even if it did
exist it's otherwise so insignificant and dim that apparently it can't
ever be photographed from that physically dark moon. That's some
stealth little planet, and absolutely piss poor film to boot; wouldn't
you say?

I wonder what the range of raw solar illuminated spectrum is, that's
nearly 80% reflected off Venus, that makes Venus so gosh darn WMD
invisible?
-
Brad Guth

Brad Guth

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Jul 21, 2006, 2:51:01 PM7/21/06
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In spite of our NASA's best wishes, ESA's Venus EXPRESS is still alive
and doing just perfectly fine and dandy. Better than just good science
at perhaps ten cents on the dollar isn't half bad, especially these
days.
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/index.html
http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?mission=Venus+Express&type=I

Without our having to extract energy from those multiple resources of
geothermal/lava and pressure/gas vent considerations, or even tapping
into the vast energy dynamics of whatever that massive 'fluid arch' has
to behold, each and every m2 of that Venusian surface has easy access
to kilojoules if not megajoules worth of spare and 100+% renewable
energy that's relatively clean and as such having absolutely nothing to
do with introducing heat, although there's that rather pesky 10 K/km
and 4+ bar/km as is, to work with, and lo and behold there's still 64+
kg/m3 of buoyancy along with only 90.5% worth of gravity to fuss with.

Perhaps in jest, that's why the regular laws of physics simply can not
be applied as to anything that's involving Venus, any more so than only
of those conditional laws of physics can be applied for walking on our
physically dark and nasty moon.

For doing Venus in person; How many megajoules per person would you
naysay folks like to have at your disposal?

Since the basalt composite insulation factor of R-1024/m certainly is
not in short supply, thus how much spare energy does one Venusian or
visiting ET soul actually need?

And here we all thought that Usenet wizards knew a thing or two.
Instead you're all into trashing most everything that's Einstein, plus
terminating and/or having banished that of whatever most every other
Jewish wizard on Earth has ever had to say. How absolutely pathetic
and how otherwise typically born-again Roman and screw-thy-humanity
Third Reich of yourselves.

Venus is simply not the least bit robotically insurmountable. After
all, there's a significant cash of existing structures and even that of
a rational infrastructure plus otherwise that nifty tarmac to work
with.

You folks do realize that a fully manned rigid airship that's cruising
efficiently just below those cool nighttime clouds could actually
require some auxiliary cabin heat. I guess that's asking too much.
-

"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth

"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I

"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust

"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Even Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree that; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason why honest
folks are having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been
playing by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF
warlord(GW Bush) having invented WMD seems to come to mind.

Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

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Brad Guth

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Venus isn't looking as hot by way of that season of nighttime.

However, I tend to believe it's all about scientific damage-control, as
simply an ongoing act of these Usenet folks saving each and every one
of their mutually remorseless butts by way of keeping another lid on
it, whereas it seems we haven't been getting the whole truth and
nothing but the truth about Venus, instead we've been given the usual
infomercial-science that'll basically suit whatever's in the best
interest of sustaining their mainstream status quo.

I'd suppose, if you had already researched and thereby having invested
by having extensively published that by day or night the surface of
Venus is within 10 K of being at a constant/average of 730 K, as such
you sure as hell wouldn't want the likes of any new and improved PFS
readings from that pesky ESA Venus Express mission getting through.
You'd have to believe that all efforts and at all cost would be made in
order to foil any such interactive measures at getting that otherwise
nifty and robust instrument up and running, and I do believe that's
exactly what our crack wizards do best.

As having been oddly posted under "The Paranormal & Ghost Society",
thereby seemingly hocus-pocus worthy to start off with; I tend to
believe this article is 100% of their ongoing damage control, of their
continuing efforts to exclude or otherwise foil the most critical
aspects of accomplishing thermal and composition readings of what the
Venus EXPRESS mission was all about.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9123
Mirror jams on Venus Express spacecraft

There's nothing that's actually official from ESA as to any such "stuck
mirror". There's not even so much as an official link posted of
anything that's specifically derived from team 'Venus EXPRESS' that
reinforces this article as published by NEW SCIENTIST and copied by all
others, that's essentially as space.com owned and otherwise totally
controlled and/or moderated to death by the very same degree of
individuals that are deeply invested into supporting everything that's
NASA. It's as though the PFS instrument manufacture is remaining as
stealth as were all of those supposed Iraqi WMD and the likes of Usama
bin Laden. I wonder how much that cost us?

NewScientist.com news service and the likes of Kelly Young are of
nothing but brown-nosed minions to the very same status quo, thus
born-again liars and of what's otherwise intellectually worse off than
any Third Reich. Their "disclaimer" as having been "Published by Reed
Business Information Limited" is basically nothing but another ruse
from their side of the pond.

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from the use of or inability to use this website or any material
appearing on it or from any action or decision taken as a result of
using the website or any such material."

This basically means or represents that they can essentially publish
absolutely anything they damn well feel like, and no matters what can
not be held responsible in any way. (sounds exactly like Dick Cheney,
GW Bush and company)

BAA hasn't established what if anything the supposed PFS "stuck mirror"
that still offers us no official mechanical or any other documentation
as released from their Venus EXPRESS engineering and technical
applications team, as having to do with extracting specific pixel by
pixel thermal information from the ongoing thermal imaging process,
whereas as at worse it reduces specific target thermal resolution and
makes their imaging task somewhat less productive than what could
otherwise help in pinpointing those unusual thermal signatures of
specific geothermal hot spots. As such, it doesn't otherwise restrict
the greater capability of having established the thermal scale and
diversity that can still be sufficiently extrapolated, as to obtaining
the greater science from their recording of the mostly nighttime season
of atmospheric and cloud thermal differentials.

"PFS is designed to measure the chemical composition and temperature of
the atmosphere of Venus. It is also able to measure surface
temperature, and so search for signs of volcanic activity."

Unfortunately, it's rather technically so much easier to merely exclude
science by shutting down a given instrument reading from any given
mission if deemed appropriate by those encharge, and it certainly
wouldn't be the first nor the last time such moderation or scientific
instrument exclusion tactics have been employed. As for otherwise we'd
have been given the full mechanical specifications and drawings of that
mirror portion of their PFS instrument, so as to better appreciate as
to exactly how such absolute fools could have accomplished such an
obvious R&D error, as to foil such a primary part of their entire
mission.

With the very same PFS instrument onboard their Mars EXPRESS:
"The 'pendulum motor', used to drive various elements in the instrument
optics, was shown to be at fault. The recovery was made possible
through using internal instrument redundancy."
Yet nothing of any such specific instrument internal drawings or other
considerations given for the much newer Venus EXPRESS PFS effort, that
you'd think should have had whatever instrument revisions/upgrades
applied. Therefore, the best available surface temperature reading
capability is supposedly unable to comply to it's own standards, much
less accommodate the team effort as to what's most important about the
entire mission.

Oddly, the official ESA Venus EXPRESS "Status Reports" still have
nothing much to say about any supposed "stuck mirror". However, all
else is operating according to spec, and as though the PFS instrument
never existed in the first place.

Of course, once their mission frequencies and the software code is
known, from that point on we can disrupt, deactivated or even damage a
given science instrument from our command center, and entirely
accomplish such without ESA or anyone else ever knowing what happened.

At least thus far, the Venus EXPRESS team nor the instrument
manufacturer have not a clue as to why their otherwise robust and well
proven PFS instrument isn't behaving.
-
Brad Guth

Secr...@verizon.net

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Bradley E Guth
Brown Nosed Kook
4410 SE Nelson Rd.
Olalla, WA 98359
Birthday:
March 19th, 1946
253-857-6061
253-857-5318
brad...@yahoo.com
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Looks like a trailer park, lots of addresses at this location.

Brad Guth

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How typically pathetic, and rather typically Jewish to boot.

Too bad that we're not allowed to know whomever you folks are.
-
Brad Guth

I've previously posted my address as of the very get go, so that you
folks can take an aerial look-see for yourself. OOPS! that's yet
another photograph, thus can't be used as science or of any possible
interpretation whatsoever. Sorry about that.
-
Brad Guth

Brad Guth

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Jul 28, 2006, 1:59:25 PM7/28/06
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Geoffrey A. Landis,
A very good topic contribution about Venus being robotically
obtainable, especially of the nighttime season as efficiently cruising
a robotic aircraft or rigid airship just below those relatively cool
clouds. With that much buoyancy and thick soup of a mostly CO2
atmosphere for aerodynamics, such a craft could damn near be made of
iron.

Venus exploration paper
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/a1455f5cfab43bdb/39e31e0714cc30b4#39e31e0714cc30b4

As of lately, via Venus EXPRESS, it seems as though Venus isn't looking
nearly as hot by way of that season of nighttime.

BTW; this nifty report (all 13 pages worth) is at least taking us in
the right direction.
http://mit.edu/aeroastro/www/people/landis/Venus_IAF04.pdf

I tend to believe it's still all about the ongoing scientific community
of damage-control, as simply an ongoing act of these Usenet folks and
rusemasters saving each and every one of their mutually remorseless


butts by way of keeping another lid on it, whereas it seems we haven't
been getting the whole truth and nothing but the truth about Venus,
instead we've been given the usual infomercial-science that'll
basically suit whatever's in the best interest of sustaining their
mainstream status quo.

However, I'd have to suppose, if you had already researched and thereby
having invested by way of having extensively published, that by day or


night the surface of Venus is within 10 K of being at a
constant/average of 730 K, as such you sure as hell wouldn't want the
likes of any new and improved PFS readings from that pesky ESA Venus

EXPRESS mission getting through. You'd have to believe that all
efforts and at all cost would have been made in order to foil any such


interactive measures at getting that otherwise nifty and robust
instrument up and running, and I do believe that's exactly what our
crack wizards do best.

As having been rather oddly posted under "The Paranormal & Ghost


Society", thereby seemingly hocus-pocus worthy to start off with; I
tend to believe this article is 100% of their ongoing damage control,
of their continuing efforts to exclude or otherwise foil the most
critical aspects of accomplishing thermal and composition readings of
what the Venus EXPRESS mission was all about.

Mirror jams on Venus Express spacecraft
http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9123


There's nothing that's actually official from ESA as to any such "stuck
mirror". There's not even so much as an official link posted of
anything that's specifically derived from team 'Venus EXPRESS' that
reinforces this article as published by NEW SCIENTIST and copied by all
others, that's essentially as space.com owned and otherwise totally
controlled and/or moderated to death by the very same degree of
individuals that are deeply invested into supporting everything that's
NASA. It's as though the PFS instrument manufacture is remaining as
stealth as were all of those supposed Iraqi WMD and the likes of Usama

bin Laden. I wonder how much that effort is costing us?

NewScientist.com news service and the likes of Kelly Young are of

nothing but brown-nosed minions to the very same status quo that says
we've walked on the moon, thus born-again liars and of what's otherwise


intellectually worse off than any Third Reich. Their "disclaimer" as
having been "Published by Reed Business Information Limited" is
basically nothing but another ruse from their side of the pond.

New Scientist Limitation of liability:
"To the full extent permissible by law Reed Business information
Limited shall have no liability for any damage or loss (including,
without limitation, financial loss, loss of profits, loss of business
or any indirect or consequential loss), however it arises, resulting
from the use of or inability to use this website or any material
appearing on it or from any action or decision taken as a result of
using the website or any such material."

This basically means or represents that they can essentially publish
absolutely anything they damn well feel like, and no matters what can
not be held responsible in any way. (sounds exactly like Dick Cheney,
GW Bush and company)

BAA hasn't established what if anything the supposed PFS "stuck mirror"
that still offers us no official mechanical or any other documentation
as released from their Venus EXPRESS engineering and technical

applications team, as having to do with otherwise extracting specific


pixel by pixel thermal information from the ongoing thermal imaging
process, whereas as at worse it reduces specific target thermal

resolution and makes their imaging task and depth of penetration


somewhat less productive than what could otherwise help in pinpointing

those rather unusual thermal signatures of specific geothermal hot

known, from that point on we can disrupt, deactivate or even damage a


given science instrument from our command center, and entirely
accomplish such without ESA or anyone else ever knowing what happened.

At least thus far, the Venus EXPRESS team nor the instrument

manufacturer have not seen fit to offering a clue as to why their

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