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gasha...@yahoo.com

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Dec 12, 2006, 2:47:00 AM12/12/06
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The constancy of the speed of light is one of the main postulates of
special relativity. According to this postulate, the speed of light in
vacuum is the same in any inertial frame. In addition, special
relativity also requires that the speed of light is the maximum speed
of objects in vacuum. This may be the most mysterious and bewildering
part of special relativity. Then why does there exist a maximum speed?
And why is the maximum speed or the speed of light constant? Is there a
deeper reason?

Since speed is essentially the ratio of space interval and time
interval, it is a natural conjecture that the maximum and constancy of
the speed of light may result from some undiscovered properties of
space and time. Here I will argue that the discreteness of space and
time may indeed result in the maximum and constancy of the speed of
light. More on http://www.quantummotion.org/

Sam Wormley

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Dec 12, 2006, 3:04:31 AM12/12/06
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gasha...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The constancy of the speed of light is one of the main postulates of
> special relativity. According to this postulate, the speed of light in
> vacuum is the same in any inertial frame. In addition, special
> relativity also requires that the speed of light is the maximum speed
> of objects in vacuum.

Every measurement confirms the speed of light to be c, regardless of
any body's postulates or theories.

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 12, 2006, 4:20:20 AM12/12/06
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In article <1165909620.8...@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
gasha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Since speed is essentially the ratio of space interval and time
> interval, it is a natural conjecture that the maximum and constancy of
> the speed of light may result from some undiscovered properties of
> space and time. Here I will argue that the discreteness of space and
> time may indeed result in the maximum and constancy of the speed of
> light. More on http://www.quantummotion.org/

http://www.archivefreedom.org/freedom/msarxiv.pdf

QM isn't your field, and it shows.

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Eric Gisse

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Dec 12, 2006, 4:31:50 AM12/12/06
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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> In article <1165909620.8...@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
> gasha...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Since speed is essentially the ratio of space interval and time
> > interval, it is a natural conjecture that the maximum and constancy of
> > the speed of light may result from some undiscovered properties of
> > space and time. Here I will argue that the discreteness of space and
> > time may indeed result in the maximum and constancy of the speed of
> > light. More on http://www.quantummotion.org/
>
> http://www.archivefreedom.org/freedom/msarxiv.pdf

Oh man. I saw the title and I immediately started laughing.

Honest to god comedians can make me laugh consistently, but only folks
like this can make me laugh as long and hard as this.

The laughs continue!

"I think the motion of a particle described by the wave function must
be discontinuous everywhere at all times."

I *LOVE* how he whines and whines about censorship, but has links to
about a half dozen papers authored by himself. The power of an argument
is immediately reduced when your argument contains its' own
counter-example.

*snicker*

Eric Gisse

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Dec 12, 2006, 4:51:23 AM12/12/06
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gasha...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The constancy of the speed of light is one of the main postulates of
> special relativity. According to this postulate, the speed of light in
> vacuum is the same in any inertial frame. In addition, special
> relativity also requires that the speed of light is the maximum speed
> of objects in vacuum. This may be the most mysterious and bewildering
> part of special relativity. Then why does there exist a maximum speed?
> And why is the maximum speed or the speed of light constant? Is there a
> deeper reason?

Is "Maxwell's equations" a deep enough reason?

>
> Since speed is essentially the ratio of space interval and time
> interval, it is a natural conjecture that the maximum and constancy of
> the speed of light may result from some undiscovered properties of
> space and time. Here I will argue that the discreteness of space and
> time may indeed result in the maximum and constancy of the speed of
> light. More on http://www.quantummotion.org/

Fascinating! Another crank with a book to sell!

Some of the papers made me laugh quite loudly, too!

One of the topmost papers is published in Galilean
Electrodynamics...the same "journal" that publishes folks like Ken
Seto.

Four of the papers are unpublished in any journal - and they are all
linked to in the arXiv ! The same arXiv that is crushing the free
spirit that is you!

Of course that doesn't mean what I'm looking at is crap, it just gives
everything that you have touched a certain...armoa. Of crap.

Lets look at your papers on relativity. I'm sure that will be good for
a laugh or three.

...and were off! A quick reading of your "Relativity in discrete space
and time" paper brought much laughter. I notice relativity was only
"used" by bringing in the Lorentz factor, completely ignoring the rest
of relativity. That meant hilarity was soon to follow since you appear
to not actually know anything about relativity since you are incapable
of using it.

I soon found what I knew existed! Witness this paragraph:

"As a result, there exists an inherent inconsistency in special
relativity. In
addition, the existence of such photon frames will also require that
photon
should have a nonzero rest mass. In these frames, the photon is at rest
and
does exist, and thus it should have a nonzero energy."

You clearly do not understand relativity. There do not exist reference
frames for a photon in special relativity - that is BY ASSUMPTION.
Furthermore, your assertion that special relativity predicts a nonzero
rest mass is hilariously wrong - it is unsupported by a century of
theory and experiment. You and Y. Porat would get along *so* nicely -
neither of you understand physics, but you speak better English and
share the same misconceptions.

Your paper titled "A possible method to detect the preferred Lorentz
frame" is quite amazing because relativity does not admit a preferred
frame, Lorentz or otherwise. The contents are just as amusing too -
your "support" for the theory that quantum nonlocality and special
relativity are incompatible is supported by several of *your own*
papers.

Oh look, another paper of yours in the arXiv. Imagine that.

Sorcerer

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Dec 12, 2006, 4:56:27 AM12/12/06
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<gasha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1165909620.8...@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...

| The constancy of the speed of light is one of the main postulates of
| special relativity. According to this postulate, the speed of light in
| vacuum is the same in any inertial frame.

Learn to read.
*plonk*

Jan Panteltje

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Dec 13, 2006, 3:45:29 AM12/13/06
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On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:04:31 GMT) it happened Sam Wormley
<swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in <jotfh.267858$FQ1.41354@attbi_s71>:

> Every measurement confirms the speed of light to be c, regardless of
> any body's postulates or theories.

Also the one way speed?
And also outside the solar system?
Have a link?
No not Algol, no no no.

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 13, 2006, 5:24:17 AM12/13/06
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Hi Gashan1971, Discreteness is always virtual, never real.
General Relativity's ether is static ( spatial ), more specifically:

The speed of light in an ideal vacuum is
the same in any local frame of reference
in constant acceleration relative to a " distant " frame.

Nothing is truly random; so time is truly spatial, falsely directional.
The ether is a static block of space plus spatial time.

In " Ether and the Theory of Relativity " ( 1920 ), Einstein wrote:

But this ether may not be thought of as
endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media,
as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time.

The idea of motion may not be applied to it.

TUHH.DE/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

However, this doesn't mean the so-called vacuum isn't likely to have
some kind of " ground state ", like the atmosphere that sound travels in.
Locally, microscopically, gravity is too weak to be directly obsevered;
so the most anyone could see would be a probabilistic tendency
toward the center of gravity.

Sound is just particles hitting particles...

So, microscopically, it's velocity is merely probabilistic.
( i.e. not entirely knowable, a priori )

True vacuums can't exist ( just as true singularities can't exist ).
It'd take infinite energy/time to create a perfect vaccum ( or black hole ).
So, Meta_Microscopically, the velocity of light is also probabilistic.

Incidently, the lack of true randomness means
all so-called " changes " ( and thus all choices ) are merely virtual.

At the loss of Einstein's close friend, late in Einstein's life, he wrote:

People like us, who believe in physics, know that
the distinction between past, present, and future is
only a stubbornly persistent illusion.

SpeakingOfFaith.PublicRadio.ORG/programs/einsteinsgod/unheardcuts.shtml

Around the same time, 1949, he also wrote ( in " The World As I See It " ):

But the scientist is possessed by
the sense of universal causation. The future, to him, is
every whit as necessary and determined as the past.

EinsteinAndReligion.COM/sciencereligious.html

So even so-called " death " is merely virtual, not real.
Consuming more just means dying that much sooner; so it's not a real choice.
Each is imprisoned in a virtual casino, and the house always wins in the end.
So we have people using the word " God " as an euphemism for " My Fate ",
and religious types refusing to zoom out to evolutionary or cosmic scales.
For example, General Relativity is the Lambda in Lambda-CDM
( a.k.a. the concordance model of cosmology ) explaining:

The origin and early development of the Universe.

So, even today, we see ultra-primative legislation like this:

On August 11, 1999, by a 6–4 vote the Kansas State Board of Education
changed their science education standards to remove any mention of
" biological macroevolution, the age of the Earth, or
the origin and early development of the Universe ",
so that evolutionary theory no longer appeared in
state-wide standardized tests and
" it was left to the 305 local school districts in Kansas
whether or not to teach it."

WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education


Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 13, 2006, 12:58:14 PM12/13/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Hi Gashan1971, Discreteness is always virtual, never real.

Oh stfu you baboon. A mentally deranged cat with herpes knows more
physics then you ever will.

T Wake

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Dec 13, 2006, 3:42:04 PM12/13/06
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Word salad mixed with total nonsense.


> The origin and early development of the Universe.
>
> So, even today, we see ultra-primative legislation like this:
>

> On August 11, 1999, by a 6-4 vote the Kansas State Board of Education


> changed their science education standards to remove any mention of
> " biological macroevolution, the age of the Earth, or
> the origin and early development of the Universe ",
> so that evolutionary theory no longer appeared in
> state-wide standardized tests and
> " it was left to the 305 local school districts in Kansas
> whether or not to teach it."
>
> WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education
>

Nothing to do with Relativity. Most religious institutions quite like the
"big bang" because it can be viewed as a creation event.

Jeff, you really need to spend less time posting drivel and even a little
time actually learning physics. I am sure you are up to the task if you
tried.

Eric Gisse

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Dec 13, 2006, 5:00:39 PM12/13/06
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Jeff...Relf wrote:

[snip relf droppings]

UUNNNGGGH!

CAN'T RESIST URGE TO POST SHIT....

UUNNGGHH!

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 13, 2006, 6:01:50 PM12/13/06
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Hi T_Wake ( and Gashan1971 ), I told you:

General Relativity is the Lambda in Lambda-CDM
( a.k.a. the concordance model of cosmology ) explaining:

The origin and early development of the Universe.

And you replied, " Word salad mixed with total nonsense. "

People say the exact same thing about my VC++ _Source_ code;
yet the .EXE files that it produces are used by
thousands of bankers all over the world ( especially in the U.S. ).

The mere fact that you can't ( and won't ) understand it means nothing to me,
I'm perfectly accustomed to such reactions... have been my entire adult life.

You continued:

Nothing to do with Relativity.
Most religious institutions quite like the " big bang " because
it can be viewed as a creation event.

The so-called " Big Bang " is merely the layman's term for Lambda-CDM;
and, very much like you, they know next to nothing about it.

Anyone who's actually read something about Lambda-CDM would know
that the so-called " start of the Big Bang " is
_Merely_ when the universe first became _Observable_, _Measurable_,
after it thinned below Planck density.

The boundry ( i.e. the " start " ) is entirely virtual, not real.


Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 13, 2006, 6:05:00 PM12/13/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Hi T_Wake ( and Gashan1971 ), I told you:
>
> General Relativity is the Lambda in Lambda-CDM
> ( a.k.a. the concordance model of cosmology ) explaining:
>
> The origin and early development of the Universe.
>
> And you replied, " Word salad mixed with total nonsense. "
>
> People say the exact same thing about my VC++ _Source_ code;
> yet the .EXE files that it produces are used by
> thousands of bankers all over the world ( especially in the U.S. ).

And you certainly would know about bankers.

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 13, 2006, 6:05:09 PM12/13/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> The so-called " Big Bang " is merely the layman's term for Lambda-CDM;
> and, very much like you, they know next to nothing about it.

Rubbish

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 13, 2006, 11:20:35 PM12/13/06
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Hi Phineas ( and T_Wake, Gashan1971 ),

I don't have to know anything about bankers ( but I do ).
I just wrote the VC++ 8.0 code ( all of it, in fact ).


Bill Snyder

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Dec 14, 2006, 12:38:38 AM12/14/06
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Gee, and here we all thought that was a Microsoft product. Did you
attend Famous Compiler Writers' School, or are you a self-taught
genius there, too?

I wrote the Internet myself. (Well, I let Al Gore help a little, but
just to make him feel good; the guy really has no idea how to write
code.)

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 14, 2006, 4:26:29 AM12/14/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

Badly, too

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 14, 2006, 5:37:41 AM12/14/06
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Hi Phineas, If my code is as bad as you claim ( ha ! as if you'd know ! ),
then how is it that several of MicroSoft employees
( including one from the VC++ compiler division )
each making over 100 thousand U.S. dollars per year,
hired to improve my code ( even though I told them to rewrite it )
haven't been able to do anything but make it far _Worse_ ?

If it was me, I'd just rewrite the whole thing... that's how I operate.
But when I do take over someone's code ( for the hell of it ),
I soon leave it in the dust... making it something totally different.


Randy Poe

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Dec 14, 2006, 7:45:01 AM12/14/06
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
> Hi Phineas, If my code is as bad as you claim ( ha ! as if you'd know ! ),
> then how is it that several of MicroSoft employees
> ( including one from the VC++ compiler division )
> each making over 100 thousand U.S. dollars per year,
> hired to improve my code ( even though I told them to rewrite it )
> haven't been able to do anything but make it far _Worse_ ?

We have only your word that they "make it far worse".

What seems more significant is that your employer sees
it as cost-effective to hire people to reprogram your source
code. That doesn't happen with most programmers. Why
is there this rewrite team in the first place?

> If it was me, I'd just rewrite the whole thing... that's how I operate.
> But when I do take over someone's code ( for the hell of it ),
> I soon leave it in the dust... making it something totally different.

Um, yes, normally when somebody is hired to write a program,
what they write is new.

- Randy

jmfb...@aol.com

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Dec 14, 2006, 8:12:24 AM12/14/06
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In article <1166100301.7...@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

"Randy Poe" <poespa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Jeff...Relf wrote:
>> Hi Phineas, If my code is as bad as you claim ( ha ! as if you'd know !
),
>> then how is it that several of MicroSoft employees
>> ( including one from the VC++ compiler division )
>> each making over 100 thousand U.S. dollars per year,
>> hired to improve my code ( even though I told them to rewrite it )
>> haven't been able to do anything but make it far _Worse_ ?
>
>We have only your word that they "make it far worse".

If they are making it worse, it has to be spaghetti.

<snip>

/BAH

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 14, 2006, 9:02:46 AM12/14/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Hi Phineas, If my code is as bad as you claim ( ha ! as if you'd know ! ),
> then how is it that several of MicroSoft employees
> ( including one from the VC++ compiler division )
> each making over 100 thousand U.S. dollars per year,
> hired to improve my code ( even though I told them to rewrite it )
> haven't been able to do anything but make it far _Worse_ ?

Because code suffers from spaghettification. With bad code its best to
just ditch it.

If you're so good, why are you paid peanuts, troll?

T Wake

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Dec 14, 2006, 2:59:03 PM12/14/06
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> Hi T_Wake ( and Gashan1971 ), I told you:
>
> General Relativity is the Lambda in Lambda-CDM
> ( a.k.a. the concordance model of cosmology ) explaining:
>
> The origin and early development of the Universe.
>
> And you replied, " Word salad mixed with total nonsense. "
>
> People say the exact same thing about my VC++ _Source_ code;

So what? Other than highlighting how inept you are, what does this have to
do with anything?

> yet the .EXE files that it produces are used by
> thousands of bankers all over the world ( especially in the U.S. ).

So what? My butcher sells meat to dozens of villages, it doesnt mean he
knows anything about cosmology.

You are a retard of dynamic proportions.

> The mere fact that you can't ( and won't ) understand it means nothing to
> me,
> I'm perfectly accustomed to such reactions... have been my entire adult
> life.

For a simple reason. You are talking nonsense.

> You continued:
>
> Nothing to do with Relativity.
> Most religious institutions quite like the " big bang " because
> it can be viewed as a creation event.
>
> The so-called " Big Bang " is merely the layman's term for Lambda-CDM;
> and, very much like you, they know next to nothing about it.

Completely incorrect. You are trying to redefine a term to match something
_you_ dont know anything about. You still seem to confuse the "Big Bang"
theory with Inflationary theory and the various cosmological expansion
models.

You are retarded so this is understandable. It is laughable that you put
forward your ignorance as if it showed how clever you were.

If you have even a fraction of a clue you would know how wrong you are.

> Anyone who's actually read something about Lambda-CDM would know
> that the so-called " start of the Big Bang " is
> _Merely_ when the universe first became _Observable_, _Measurable_,
> after it thinned below Planck density.

Incorrect.

> The boundry ( i.e. the " start " ) is entirely virtual, not real.

Prove it. Not with word salads. Not with meaningless analogies. Prove it
with theory and mathematics like real science.

Show how it can be tested and make a prediction based on it.

Until then, shut up kookboi.


T Wake

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Dec 14, 2006, 2:59:35 PM12/14/06
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> Hi Phineas ( and T_Wake, Gashan1971 ),
>
> I don't have to know anything about bankers ( but I do ).
> I just wrote the VC++ 8.0 code ( all of it, in fact ).

Jeff, you are a merchant banker.


T Wake

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Dec 14, 2006, 3:00:51 PM12/14/06
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET...

> Hi Phineas, If my code is as bad as you claim ( ha ! as if you'd know
> ! ),
> then how is it that several of MicroSoft employees
> ( including one from the VC++ compiler division )
> each making over 100 thousand U.S. dollars per year,
> hired to improve my code ( even though I told them to rewrite it )
> haven't been able to do anything but make it far _Worse_ ?

Because it really is _that_ bad.

Doesnt it interest you that _you_ dont earn enough to get a decent place to
live and have to step over crackheads to get in your house and "they" were
paid fortunes.....

> If it was me, I'd just rewrite the whole thing... that's how I operate.
> But when I do take over someone's code ( for the hell of it ),
> I soon leave it in the dust... making it something totally different.

Yes, I can imagine.

Not in a good way either.


Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 12:56:51 AM12/16/06
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Hi T_Wake, I'd get paid more if I worked for MicroSoft,
but then I wouldn't be " Judgement Proof " anymore.
What's worse, I wouldn't have anywhere near the autonomy I enjoy now.

As you may recall... I'll likely to go to my grave having
an estimated net worth of around negative one million U.S. dollars.


Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 1:23:08 AM12/16/06
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Hi Phineas, Speaking of my professional code... You told me it:

...suffers from spaghettification.


With bad code its best to just ditch it.
If you're so good, why are you paid peanuts, troll?

I very much like " Spaghetti code "... goto's are far superior to loops.
Unfortunately, I learned that _Very_ late in my career.

As for what I get paid... as I just told T_Wake...

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 1:36:49 AM12/16/06
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Hi B.A.H. and Randy Poe,

The Micro$$$oft guys have been trying to fork my code for years now,
and, according to regular assements made by the Banking Schools,
they haven't been able to produce a viable product.

Meanwhile, my code has left them in the dust... So they have no hope.
The amount of money the schools wasted is astronomical... I'm shocked !

As I just told Phineas and T_Wake...

I very much like " Spaghetti code "... goto's are often superior to loops.


Unfortunately, I learned that _Very_ late in my career.

I'd get paid more if I worked for MicroSoft,

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 1:58:03 AM12/16/06
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Hi Randy_Poe, There's a difference between taking existing code
and modifying it ( " forking it " ) and doing a _Complete_ rewrite.
The banking schools are doing the former, I told them to do the latter.

The banking schools are learning an _Expensive_ lesson, to wit:

Code is what code does.

My souce code ( VC++ 8.0 ) is complex compared to other's for the same reason
the Washington Times is more complex than the Sunday funnies... it _Has_ to be.

If I write:

#include <StdIO.H>
main() { printf(" Hello World ! " ); }

No one calles that " Spaghetti code " or " Obfuscated "...
But it does _Nothing_.

_This_ is what _Useful_ code looks like ( and it scares people ):

Consider diff'ing the strings: " FooBar " vs " BarFoo ".
There are no " normal " differences because
no characters come before the required 3 matching characters ( ReSync = 3 ).
I call this the Swapped_Text condition because
a pair of matching strings merely have swapped positions.
Reporting this Swapped_Text is complicated because:

1. It must be resolved early in the string to prevent compounding errors.
2. End_of_Matching_Sting conditions.
3. End_of_Line conditions.

www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.PNG
www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.EXE
( for help, double-click Dif.EXE )
www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.CPP

#define Set_Prn ( \
Prn_Klld = Kill.Prn_E - Kill.Prn_B, Prn_Born = Born.Prn_E - Born.Prn_B )

#define Prn_ReSync( Use ) ( Use.Cmp_B = Use.Cmp_E \
, Use.Prn_E += ( rv = Use.Forth ? 1 : ReSync ), Use.Cmp_E += rv )

#define Set_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn, Cmp ) ( \
Prn_E = er( Prn, EE_Prn ), Cmp_E = er( Cmp, EE_Cmp ) \
, EoL = Prn_E >= EE_Prn, EoR = Cmp_E >= EE_Cmp \
, ReSync_EoL = Prn_E + ReSync - 1 >= EE_Prn \
, ReSync_EoR = Cmp_E + ReSync - 1 >= EE_Cmp )

#define Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn, Cmp ) \
Set_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn_E + Prn, Cmp_E + Cmp )

inline int Is_Apple( wchar_t Ch0, wchar_t Ch, wchar_t Ch2 ) {
return
Ch <= 32 || isdigit( Ch )

inline int Apple_Apple_Eq(
wchar_t Ch0_L, wchar_t Ch_L, wchar_t Ch2_L
, wchar_t Ch0_R, wchar_t Ch_R, wchar_t Ch2_R ) {
if ( ! Ignore_Nums ) return Ch_L == Ch_R ;
int
Lf = Is_Apple( Ch0_L, Ch_L, Ch2_L )
, Rt = Is_Apple( Ch0_R, Ch_R, Ch2_R );
return Lf && Rt || ! Lf && ! Rt && Ch_L == Ch_R ; }

int Eq_Diff( LnP D, LnP L, LnP R ) {
wchar_t Ch0_L, Ch_L, Ch2_L, Ch0_R, Ch_R, Ch2_R ;
if ( D ) { Loop_Until_LR( 1 );
return Apple_Apple_Eq( Ch0_L, Ch_L, Ch2_L, Ch0_R, Ch_R, Ch2_R ); }
Loop_Until_LR( ! Apple_Apple_Eq( Ch0_L, Ch_L, Ch2_L, Ch0_R, Ch_R, Ch2_R ) );
return ! Ch_L && ! Ch_R ; }

int Eq_Diff( LnP D, LnA L, LnA R ) { return Eq_Diff( D, * L, * R ); }

template < typename LnM >
Diff ( LnM BB_Klld, LnM EE_Klld, LnM BB_Born, LnM EE_Born
, wchar_t Ch_Color ) {
struct Prn { int Forth ; LnM Prn_B, Prn_E, Cmp_B, Cmp_E ; }; Prn Kill ;
LnP D = ! Ch_Color ? 0 : _T - 1 ;
if ( D )
(LnP &) EE_Klld = From_Start( LnP( BB_Klld ), 0 ), * _T = 0
, (LnP &) EE_Born = From_Start( LnP( BB_Born ), 0 );
wchar_t Ch_Swapd = Ch_Color == Ch_Klld ? Ch_Klld_Swapd : Ch_Born_Swapd ;
int ReSync = 3, ReSync_EoL, ReSync_EoR, EoL, EoR, Klld = 0 ;
LnM B_Klld = BB_Klld - 1, E_Klld, B_Born = BB_Born - 1, E_Born ;

Set_Prn_Cmp: Klld ^= 1 ;
LnM
BB_Prn = Klld ? BB_Klld : BB_Born, EE_Prn = Klld ? EE_Klld : EE_Born
, BB_Cmp = Klld ? BB_Born : BB_Klld, EE_Cmp = Klld ? EE_Born : EE_Klld
, Prn_B = Klld ? B_Klld : B_Born, Prn_E = Klld ? E_Klld : E_Born
, Cmp_B = Klld ? B_Born : B_Klld, Cmp_E = Klld ? E_Born : E_Klld ;
Set_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn_B, Cmp_B ); int Cnt_Lines = -1, Forth = -1 ;

Was_Eq:
if ( ++ Cnt_Lines == -1 ) {
Forth = ! EoL && ! EoR && Eq_Diff( D, 1 + Prn_E, 1 + Cmp_E );
Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( -ReSync, -ReSync ); goto Set_Recs ; }
if ( Cnt_Lines < 0 ) goto NextPair ;
Prn_B = Prn_E, Cmp_B = Cmp_E ;
if ( Klld && D ) {
if ( Cnt_Lines == 1 ) * ++ D = Ch_Default ;
if ( Cnt_Lines ) * ++ D = * LnP( Prn_B ); }
if ( EoL && EoR ) {
if ( D || B_Klld >= BB_Klld || B_Born >= BB_Born ) {
if ( D ) * ++ D = 0 ; return ; }
int Ks = Cnt_Lines >= 1000 ;
Str( _T, ! Ks ? L"%d" : L"%d,%03d"
, ! Ks ? Cnt_Lines : Cnt_Lines / 1000, Cnt_Lines % 1000 );
Sh( L"%cIndentical%c, %s Lines.", Ch_Hi, Ch_Default, _T ); return ; }
if ( EoL || EoR ) { Set_Prn_Cmp_E( EE_Prn, EE_Cmp ); goto Set_Recs ; }
NextPair: Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( 1, 1 );

Cmp: if ( Eq_Diff( D, Prn_E, Cmp_E ) ) goto Was_Eq ;

Wasnt_Eq: int Back = Cnt_Lines >= 0 ? 0 : 1 + ReSync + Cnt_Lines ;
Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( -Back, -Back );
if ( ! ReSync_EoR ) Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( 0, 1 ); else {
if ( ReSync_EoL ) goto Set_Recs ;
Set_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn_E + 1, Cmp_B + 1 ); }
Cnt_Lines = -1 - ReSync ; goto Cmp ;

Set_Recs: Prn Born = { Forth, Prn_B, Prn_E, Cmp_B, Cmp_E };
if ( Klld ) { Kill = Born ; goto Set_Prn_Cmp ; }
int Swapd, Prn_Klld , Prn_Born ; Set_Prn;
if ( Swapd = ! Prn_Klld && ! Prn_Born ) {
int Kl = Born.Cmp_E - Kill.Prn_B, Brn = Kill.Cmp_E - Born.Prn_B ;
if ( Kl <= Brn ) Prn_ReSync( Kill );
if ( Kl >= Brn ) Prn_ReSync( Born ); Set_Prn; }
Loop( 1 + ! D ) { int Kl = ! J ;
wchar_t Color = Kl ? Ch_Klld : Ch_Born ;
Loop( Kl ? Prn_Klld : Prn_Born ) {
if ( ! J ) { Prn & R = Kl ? Kill : Born ;
Prn_B = R.Prn_B, Prn_E = R.Prn_E, Cmp_B = R.Cmp_B, Cmp_E = R.Cmp_E ;
if ( D ) * ++ D = Swapd ? Ch_Swapd : Ch_Color ; }
if ( D ) * ++ D = * ++ ( LnP & ) Prn_B ;
else { int Call_Eq = ++ Cmp_B <= Cmp_E ;
if ( * * LnA( ++ Prn_B ) == 1 ) continue ;
if ( Prn_B < EE_Prn, Call_Eq ) {
Diff<LnP>( * LnA( Prn_B ), 0, * LnA( Cmp_B ), 0, Color );
if ( Swapd ) * * LnA( Cmp_B ) = 1 ; }
Sh(
L"%c|%c%s", Color, Call_Eq ? Ch_Default : Color
, Call_Eq ? _T : * LnA( Prn_B ) ); } } }
B_Klld = Kill.Prn_E, B_Born = Born.Prn_E ; goto Set_Prn_Cmp ; }

Diff_Files( int Wild_Carding, LnP Nam_L, LnP Nam_R ) {
static int F_Num ; F_Num ++ ;
// if ( F_Num != 13 ) return ;
// Ignore_Nums = 1 ;
LnP P = Nam_R ;
if ( Wild_Carding ) {
P = From_Start( P, 0 ) - 1 ;
if ( * P != '\\' && * P != '/' ) Str( ++ P, L"\\" ); P = Nam_R ;
Str( P = _T, L"%s%s", Nam_R, Nam_L ); }
Sh( L"%c%s%c, %s", Ch_Hi, Nam_L, Ch_Default, Nam_R );
static LnT Lt, Rt ;
Loop( 2 ) { int Klld = ! J ;
LnP Nam = Klld ? Nam_L : P ; LnT & Ln = Klld ? Lt : Rt ;
FILE * fp = fopen ( Nam,L"rb");
if( ! fp ) { Sh(L"\n_ %s _ Not Found.", Nam ); return ; }
int Sz = filelength( fileno( fp ) );
if( ! Sz ) { Sh(L"\n_ %s _ is empty.", Nam ); return ; }
static __LnP BB[ 2 ];
__LnP & _B = BB[ Klld ]; free( _B );
_B = ( __LnP ) malloc( Sz += 4 * Sz_Char );
__LnP _E = _B + fread( _B, 1, Sz, fp ); fclose( fp );
LnP B = ( LnP ) _B, E = ( LnP ) _E ;
if ( * B != Magic_UTF_16 ) { * _E = 0 ;
B = ( LnP ) malloc( ( Sz + 4 ) * Sz_Char );
Sz = MultiByteToWideChar( CP_ACP, 0, _B, -1, B + 1, Sz );
free( _B ), _B = ( __LnP ) B, E = 1 + B + Sz - 1 ; }
* B ++ = 0 ;
if ( B == E ) { Sh(L"\n_ %s _ is empty.", Nam ); return ; }
if ( * -- E != 10 ) * ++ E = 10 ; * ++ E = 0 ; LnP P = B ;
LnP P_Nxt = From_Start ( P, 0 );
if ( P_Nxt > B && P_Nxt [ -1 ] != 10 ) * P_Nxt = 10, * ++ P_Nxt = 0 ;
Ln.PP = Ln.BB - 1 ;
LOOP { Inc ( Ln ) = P ; LnP P_Nxt = E = From_Start ( P, 10 );
* E = 0 ; while ( * -- E && * E <= 32 ); * ++ E = 0 ;
P = ++ P_Nxt ; if ( ! * P ) break; } }
Diff<LnA>( Lt.BB, Lt.PP, Rt.BB, Rt.PP, 0 ); }


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Jeff…Relf

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Hi TFTX, Re:

Diff<LnA>( Lt.BB, Lt.PP, Rt.BB, Rt.PP, 0 );

www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.PNG

You told me:

If I had a programmer hand me something that looked like this,
they'd be fucking unemployed no later than the next morning.

Sure, you're ( relatively ) incompetent like that... No surprise there.

I've held my current " job " ( working under informal agreements ),
working for the ABA ( a.k.a. " the bankers ", www.ABA.COM )
and the banking schools going on 14 years now.

They _Can't_ fire me, no one else ( not even a bunch of MicroSoft guys )
can do the job... To say nothing of how ( relatively ) little I charge.


T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> Hi B.A.H. and Randy Poe,
>
> The Micro$$$oft guys have been trying to fork my code for years now,
> and, according to regular assements made by the Banking Schools,
> they haven't been able to produce a viable product.

That is just because your code is actually that bad.

Seriously, why would a company pay thousands to get some one else to
re-write your code when they could through you a couple of hundred and you
would do it?

The only possible reason must be you are inept.

> Meanwhile, my code has left them in the dust... So they have no hope.
> The amount of money the schools wasted is astronomical... I'm shocked !

Yet you earn less. What does that tell you? Why would a company seeking
profit pay more for some one who couldn't code as well as you?

Oh yeah, reality intrudes and the realisation your code is bonk returns.

<snip blather>


T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> Hi Randy_Poe, There's a difference between taking existing code
> and modifying it ( " forking it " ) and doing a _Complete_ rewrite.
> The banking schools are doing the former, I told them to do the latter.

I have just (belatedly, I will admit) realised how truly divorced from
reality you are. You think that "Banks" will spend fortunes getting coders
in to fork your code because it is so good, instead of just paying you
pennies to do it for them. You think that because teams of coders can not
sort out your spaghetti code it means your code is good. You think TJ Frazir
really is a bazillionaire because of his lies on USENET.

Blimey.

Jeff, seriously, you need medical assistance.

<snip crap>


T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> I've held my current " job " ( working under informal agreements ),


> working for the ABA ( a.k.a. " the bankers ", www.ABA.COM )
> and the banking schools going on 14 years now.
>
> They _Can't_ fire me, no one else ( not even a bunch of MicroSoft guys )
> can do the job... To say nothing of how ( relatively ) little I charge.

Are you the janitor?


T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> Hi T_Wake, I'd get paid more if I worked for MicroSoft,

but they wouldn't hire you.

> but then I wouldn't be " Judgement Proof " anymore.

You aren't "Judgement Proof" now.

> What's worse, I wouldn't have anywhere near the autonomy I enjoy now.

You mean the autonomy to live in a crack den?

> As you may recall... I'll likely to go to my grave having
> an estimated net worth of around negative one million U.S. dollars.

I doubt that will happen. You will have a net worth of about zero though -
that pretty much sums you up.


Jeff…Relf

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Hi T_Wake, The banking schools ( GSB's, not " banks " ),
are merely learning a _Very_ expensive lesson.

There're hoping to fork my code because they simply _Can_Not_ rewrite it.
( I rewrote all of it from the original FORTRAN running on IBM mainframes ).
Competence is relative... Apparently, I'm _Way_ beyond them... Imagine that !

Although I could be wrong ( knock on wood ),
it looks like I'll come out this looking a hundred times better.

You concluded with:

You think TJ Frazir really is a bazillionaire because of his lies on USENET.

T.J. is mostly who he sais he his, I understand him, you don't... Shock !
No surprise there, really. T.J. is not like anyone _You_ have ever met.

I know, at a very personal level, the guy who first wrote Word_Perfect.
He ( Professor Ashton ) founded the company, along with a student of his.
In 1994, he was worth .4 billion U.S. dollars ( in Novell stock ).

However, since then, Novell hasn't done so well.
They can't seem to decide if they're about PC's or servers.
Hopefully, their recent deal with MicroSoft will turn the tide.

I was there ( in Ashton's house ) when he handed the stock to his kids !
I dated his babysitter ( Adrian ), pissing him off.
He gave me rides to B.Y.U., where he had me hired, taught me, etc.

I also worked with him in my missionary efforts, etc.
He was a _Big_ donor !

But, with T.J., the main problem was that He Didn't Understand Me.
It takes 2 years of 10 hours at the helm every day
to get a 400 ton Yacht Master's license !
Plus... I needed a place to dock... with my wild-ass friends and dogs.
I don't like dressing up or taking off my shoes to enter a room.
I convinced him that his rugs were doomed... So he took a pass.

Not being like me, T.J. hadden't thought through the details.
He's not every hands-on... Troy is the C.E.O., without him,
the Fearless_Johnny _Deal_ wouldn't have gone nearly as far as it did.

Troy always knew it was a _Deal_, even if T.J. didn't.
The deal fell though... No surprise there.

I think T.J. was acting like an overly-concerned parent.
He didn't realize that I'm doing fine ( I'm very able-bodied ).

Patinha is the one with all the problems.
She's off drugs right now... but for how long ?
She's like a bright star... living ( and dying ) in rapid fast-forward.

As I said in another post...

Mixing alcohol, sedatives, heroin, cocaine, speed, etc.
will likely kill her first. Second up would be " Death by Rape ".
But, if none of that gets her... AIDS will.


Jeff…Relf

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Hi T_Wake, B.A.H. and Randy Poe, The bottom line is this...

The banking schools ( GSB's ) have their heads up their asses.
They're paying for their follies and making me look like a genius.

It's _Easier_ to fork code, keeping the old stuff,
than it is to do a total rewrite;
yet the Micro$$$oft fuckups can't even do that !

All they have to do is compile the code ( taking a few hours at most )
and then go from there... but that's too hard for them, apparently.

I don't just look better compared to them, I look cheaper !
Their main concern is that I might get hit by a truck or something.

Of course...
It's not me that's the main issue, it's the guy I work for, " my professor ".
Compared to him, I'm _Very_ replaceable.


T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET...
> Hi T_Wake, B.A.H. and Randy Poe, The bottom line is this...
>
> The banking schools ( GSB's ) have their heads up their asses.
> They're paying for their follies and making me look like a genius.

You would be amazed at how untrue this statement is. In fact it is the exact
opposite of the truth.

> It's _Easier_ to fork code, keeping the old stuff,
> than it is to do a total rewrite;
> yet the Micro$$$oft fuckups can't even do that !

This just shows how bad your code is.

These supposed stalwarts of the finance industry are obviously incapable of
realising it is vastly cheaper to get a tramp like yourself to do the code.

Doesn't that tell you anything?

> All they have to do is compile the code ( taking a few hours at most )
> and then go from there... but that's too hard for them, apparently.
>
> I don't just look better compared to them, I look cheaper !

Well, you certainly do look cheaper.

> Their main concern is that I might get hit by a truck or something.

I have been hoping for this for some time.

> Of course...
> It's not me that's the main issue, it's the guy I work for, " my professor
> ".
> Compared to him, I'm _Very_ replaceable.

Hahaha.


T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> Hi T_Wake, The banking schools ( GSB's, not " banks " ),
> are merely learning a _Very_ expensive lesson.
>
> There're hoping to fork my code because they simply _Can_Not_ rewrite it.
> ( I rewrote all of it from the original FORTRAN running on IBM
> mainframes ).

If your code was even remotely competent they would be able to. I would sue
you for producing such crap.

> Competence is relative... Apparently, I'm _Way_ beyond them... Imagine
> that !

I cant. My ability to divorce myself from reality isn't good enough to make
that stretch.

> Although I could be wrong ( knock on wood ),
> it looks like I'll come out this looking a hundred times better.

Guess what? As always, you are wrong.

> You concluded with:
>
> You think TJ Frazir really is a bazillionaire because of his lies on
> USENET.
>
> T.J. is mostly who he sais he his,

No he isn't. Everything he says which is verifiable is a lie. What does that
tell you about everything else?

> I understand him, you don't... Shock !

You dont "understand" him. He is playing you for a fool and you bite every
single time. You are a sucker of dynamic proportions.

> No surprise there, really. T.J. is not like anyone _You_ have ever met.

No, I haven't met any people with delusional insanity.

I have met lots of self made millionaires and I have met lots of people who
own ships.

TJ is nothing like them.

He is also _not_ eight foot tall with 2% body fat.

> I know, at a very personal level, the guy who first wrote Word_Perfect.
> He ( Professor Ashton ) founded the company, along with a student of his.
> In 1994, he was worth .4 billion U.S. dollars ( in Novell stock ).
>
> However, since then, Novell hasn't done so well.
> They can't seem to decide if they're about PC's or servers.
> Hopefully, their recent deal with MicroSoft will turn the tide.
>
> I was there ( in Ashton's house ) when he handed the stock to his kids !
> I dated his babysitter ( Adrian ), pissing him off.
> He gave me rides to B.Y.U., where he had me hired, taught me, etc.
>
> I also worked with him in my missionary efforts, etc.
> He was a _Big_ donor !

So what?

> But, with T.J., the main problem was that He Didn't Understand Me.

Again, why should he? TJ understands very, very little. You are both insane,
but as you are suffering from different disorders why should you understand
each other?

> It takes 2 years of 10 hours at the helm every day
> to get a 400 ton Yacht Master's license !
> Plus... I needed a place to dock... with my wild-ass friends and dogs.
> I don't like dressing up or taking off my shoes to enter a room.
> I convinced him that his rugs were doomed... So he took a pass.

You are rewriting history. Up until the day before the delivery was due to
take place TJ was still 100% up for it. You are simply (as always) making
excuses for him.

> Not being like me, T.J. hadden't thought through the details.
> He's not every hands-on... Troy is the C.E.O., without him,
> the Fearless_Johnny _Deal_ wouldn't have gone nearly as far as it did.

You talk about this as if it is real. There was no deal. There is no
organisation for "Troy" to be CEO of.

> Troy always knew it was a _Deal_, even if T.J. didn't.
> The deal fell though... No surprise there.

It never existed.

> I think T.J. was acting like an overly-concerned parent.
> He didn't realize that I'm doing fine ( I'm very able-bodied ).

You are insane.


Phineas T Puddleduck

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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

And the difference between that and living like a leech of society is?

Phineas T Puddleduck

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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Hi B.A.H. and Randy Poe,
>
> The Micro$$$oft guys have been trying to fork my code for years now,
> and, according to regular assements made by the Banking Schools,
> they haven't been able to produce a viable product.

Hint. You're as good a coder as you are a physicist.

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 16, 2006, 8:48:03 AM12/16/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

>
> I think T.J. was acting like an overly-concerned parent.
> He didn't realize that I'm doing fine ( I'm very able-bodied ).

TJ Was making it all up you ignorant baboon.

Phineas T Puddleduck

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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> I don't just look better compared to them, I look cheaper !
> Their main concern is that I might get hit by a truck or something.

I was going to add a stupid witty comment denigrating you here, but you
have me beat.

Art Deco

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Jeff-underscore-Relf has been working overtime this month with
dedication and making sure AUK is on the receiving end of his wisdom,
so I think it is time for a little reward -- I nominate him for Kook of
the Month, Dec. 2006.

Any seconds?

Phineas T Puddleduck

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In article <161220061014244337%erfc...@usa.net>,
Art Deco <erfc...@usa.net> wrote:

I second that emotion ;-)

The Ghost In The Machine

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In sci.physics, Jeff?Relf
<Jeff...@Yahoo.COM>
wrote
on 16 Dec 2006 06:36:49 GMT
<Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>:

Evidently you've never heard of the concept of "reducible flow graph".

I'm now curious to see if you've ever been spelunking, specifically in
the Kentucky area.

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Linux. An OS which actually, unlike certain other offerings, works.

T Wake

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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <161220061014244337%erfc...@usa.net>,
> Art Deco <erfc...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>> Jeff'ĶRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi T_Wake, B.A.H. and Randy Poe, The bottom line is this...
>> >
>> >The banking schools ( GSB's ) have their heads up their asses.
>> >They're paying for their follies and making me look like a genius.
>> >
>> >It's _Easier_ to fork code, keeping the old stuff,
>> >than it is to do a total rewrite;
>> >yet the Micro$$$oft fuckups can't even do that !
>> >
>> >All they have to do is compile the code ( taking a few hours at most )
>> >and then go from there... but that's too hard for them, apparently.
>> >
>> >I don't just look better compared to them, I look cheaper !
>> >Their main concern is that I might get hit by a truck or something.
>> >
>> >Of course...
>> >It's not me that's the main issue, it's the guy I work for, " my
>> >professor ".
>> >Compared to him, I'm _Very_ replaceable.
>>
>> Jeff-underscore-Relf has been working overtime this month with
>> dedication and making sure AUK is on the receiving end of his wisdom,
>> so I think it is time for a little reward -- I nominate him for Kook of
>> the Month, Dec. 2006.
>>
>> Any seconds?
>
> I second that emotion ;-)
>

I will third it if it helps.


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In sci.physics, Gary L Burnore
<gbur...@databasix.com>
wrote
on Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:40:23 -0500
<em1b2b$ak$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:

> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:58:03 +0100 (CET), Jeff…Relf
> <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
>>Hi Randy_Poe, There's a difference between taking existing code
>>and modifying it ( " forking it " ) and doing a _Complete_ rewrite.
>>The banking schools are doing the former, I told them to do the latter.
>
> What a maroon.
>
>>
>>The banking schools are learning an _Expensive_ lesson, to wit:
>>
>> Code is what code does.
>>
>>My souce code ( VC++ 8.0 ) is complex compared to other's for the same reason
>>the Washington Times is more complex than the Sunday funnies... it _Has_ to be.
>
> Code does not NEED to be complex.

Depends on the complexity of the problem. Code needs to be
well-structured, easily readable (by both human and computer), and
standardized, though. :-)

>
>
>>
>>If I write:
>>
>> #include <StdIO.H>
>
> Only a fool would write it that way, fool.

It would indeed appear that Jeff Relf has very little Unix or POSIX
experience. A number might naively write it that way on a
case-preserving file system such as the Amiga AFFS or NT's NTFS.

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Art Deco

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Jeff’ĶRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

>I very much like " Spaghetti code "... goto's are often superior to loops.
>Unfortunately, I learned that _Very_ late in my career.

Yes, your nolege of software engineering is equivalent to what you know
about physics.

T Wake

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"Gary L. Burnore" <gbur...@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On 16 Dec 2006 06:36:49 GMT, Jeff.Relf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
> Anyone foolish to make a statement such as that found in the subject
> line are either badly failing at attempting a troll or just fucking
> stupid.
>

In Jeff's case - both.


T Wake

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"Gary L. Burnore" <gbur...@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:14:58 -0000, "T Wake"
> <usenet...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
>>news:Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET...
>>> Hi Randy_Poe, There's a difference between taking existing code
>>> and modifying it ( " forking it " ) and doing a _Complete_ rewrite.
>>> The banking schools are doing the former, I told them to do the latter.
>>
>>I have just (belatedly, I will admit) realised how truly divorced from
>>reality you are.
>
> Took you more than one post? :)

Well, it seems to have taken a while for the true depths of Jeff's oddity
have sunk in here.

>>You think that "Banks" will spend fortunes getting coders
>>in to fork your code because it is so good, instead of just paying you
>>pennies to do it for them.
>
> I've worked in banking IT for nearly 20 years. They wouldn't keep him
> a week, let alone use his code.
>
>>You think that because teams of coders can not sort out your spaghetti
>>code it means your code is good.
>
> Team coders would eject it during the first code review. It wouldn't
> make it to production. ESPECIALLY in a banking environment.


>
>> You think TJ Frazir really is a bazillionaire because of his lies on
>> USENET.
>

> Actually, I don't believe he thinks.
>

Some times I wonder.


Art Deco

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Jeff’ĶRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

>Hi Randy_Poe, There's a difference between taking existing code
>and modifying it ( " forking it " ) and doing a _Complete_ rewrite.
>The banking schools are doing the former, I told them to do the latter.
>

>The banking schools are learning an _Expensive_ lesson, to wit:
>
> Code is what code does.
>
>My souce code ( VC++ 8.0 ) is complex compared to other's for the same reason
>the Washington Times is more complex than the Sunday funnies... it _Has_ to be.
>

>If I write:
>
> #include <StdIO.H>

> main() { printf(" Hello World ! " ); }
>
>No one calles that " Spaghetti code " or " Obfuscated "...
>But it does _Nothing_.
>
>_This_ is what _Useful_ code looks like ( and it scares people ):
>
> Consider diff'ing the strings: " FooBar " vs " BarFoo ".
> There are no " normal " differences because
> no characters come before the required 3 matching characters ( ReSync = 3 ).
> I call this the Swapped_Text condition because
> a pair of matching strings merely have swapped positions.
> Reporting this Swapped_Text is complicated because:
>
> 1. It must be resolved early in the string to prevent compounding errors.
> 2. End_of_Matching_Sting conditions.
> 3. End_of_Line conditions.
>
> www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.PNG
> www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.EXE
> ( for help, double-click Dif.EXE )
> www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.CPP
>
>#define Set_Prn ( \
> Prn_Klld = Kill.Prn_E - Kill.Prn_B, Prn_Born = Born.Prn_E - Born.Prn_B )
>
>#define Prn_ReSync( Use ) ( Use.Cmp_B = Use.Cmp_E \
> , Use.Prn_E += ( rv = Use.Forth ? 1 : ReSync ), Use.Cmp_E += rv )
>
>#define Set_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn, Cmp ) ( \
> Prn_E = er( Prn, EE_Prn ), Cmp_E = er( Cmp, EE_Cmp ) \
> , EoL = Prn_E >= EE_Prn, EoR = Cmp_E >= EE_Cmp \
> , ReSync_EoL = Prn_E + ReSync - 1 >= EE_Prn \
> , ReSync_EoR = Cmp_E + ReSync - 1 >= EE_Cmp )
>
>#define Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn, Cmp ) \
> Set_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn_E + Prn, Cmp_E + Cmp )
>
>inline int Is_Apple( wchar_t Ch0, wchar_t Ch, wchar_t Ch2 ) {
> return
> Ch <= 32 || isdigit( Ch )
>
>inline int Apple_Apple_Eq(
> wchar_t Ch0_L, wchar_t Ch_L, wchar_t Ch2_L
>, wchar_t Ch0_R, wchar_t Ch_R, wchar_t Ch2_R ) {
> if ( ! Ignore_Nums ) return Ch_L == Ch_R ;
> int
> Lf = Is_Apple( Ch0_L, Ch_L, Ch2_L )
> , Rt = Is_Apple( Ch0_R, Ch_R, Ch2_R );
> return Lf && Rt || ! Lf && ! Rt && Ch_L == Ch_R ; }
>
>int Eq_Diff( LnP D, LnP L, LnP R ) {
> wchar_t Ch0_L, Ch_L, Ch2_L, Ch0_R, Ch_R, Ch2_R ;
> if ( D ) { Loop_Until_LR( 1 );
> return Apple_Apple_Eq( Ch0_L, Ch_L, Ch2_L, Ch0_R, Ch_R, Ch2_R ); }
> Loop_Until_LR( ! Apple_Apple_Eq( Ch0_L, Ch_L, Ch2_L, Ch0_R, Ch_R, Ch2_R ) );
> return ! Ch_L && ! Ch_R ; }
>
>int Eq_Diff( LnP D, LnA L, LnA R ) { return Eq_Diff( D, * L, * R ); }
>
>template < typename LnM >
>Diff ( LnM BB_Klld, LnM EE_Klld, LnM BB_Born, LnM EE_Born
>, wchar_t Ch_Color ) {
> struct Prn { int Forth ; LnM Prn_B, Prn_E, Cmp_B, Cmp_E ; }; Prn Kill ;
> LnP D = ! Ch_Color ? 0 : _T - 1 ;
> if ( D )
> (LnP &) EE_Klld = From_Start( LnP( BB_Klld ), 0 ), * _T = 0
> , (LnP &) EE_Born = From_Start( LnP( BB_Born ), 0 );
> wchar_t Ch_Swapd = Ch_Color == Ch_Klld ? Ch_Klld_Swapd : Ch_Born_Swapd ;
> int ReSync = 3, ReSync_EoL, ReSync_EoR, EoL, EoR, Klld = 0 ;
> LnM B_Klld = BB_Klld - 1, E_Klld, B_Born = BB_Born - 1, E_Born ;
>
> Set_Prn_Cmp: Klld ^= 1 ;
> LnM
> BB_Prn = Klld ? BB_Klld : BB_Born, EE_Prn = Klld ? EE_Klld : EE_Born
> , BB_Cmp = Klld ? BB_Born : BB_Klld, EE_Cmp = Klld ? EE_Born : EE_Klld
> , Prn_B = Klld ? B_Klld : B_Born, Prn_E = Klld ? E_Klld : E_Born
> , Cmp_B = Klld ? B_Born : B_Klld, Cmp_E = Klld ? E_Born : E_Klld ;
> Set_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn_B, Cmp_B ); int Cnt_Lines = -1, Forth = -1 ;
>
> Was_Eq:
> if ( ++ Cnt_Lines == -1 ) {
> Forth = ! EoL && ! EoR && Eq_Diff( D, 1 + Prn_E, 1 + Cmp_E );
> Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( -ReSync, -ReSync ); goto Set_Recs ; }
> if ( Cnt_Lines < 0 ) goto NextPair ;
> Prn_B = Prn_E, Cmp_B = Cmp_E ;
> if ( Klld && D ) {
> if ( Cnt_Lines == 1 ) * ++ D = Ch_Default ;
> if ( Cnt_Lines ) * ++ D = * LnP( Prn_B ); }
> if ( EoL && EoR ) {
> if ( D || B_Klld >= BB_Klld || B_Born >= BB_Born ) {
> if ( D ) * ++ D = 0 ; return ; }
> int Ks = Cnt_Lines >= 1000 ;
> Str( _T, ! Ks ? L"%d" : L"%d,%03d"
> , ! Ks ? Cnt_Lines : Cnt_Lines / 1000, Cnt_Lines % 1000 );
> Sh( L"%cIndentical%c, %s Lines.", Ch_Hi, Ch_Default, _T ); return ; }
> if ( EoL || EoR ) { Set_Prn_Cmp_E( EE_Prn, EE_Cmp ); goto Set_Recs ; }
> NextPair: Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( 1, 1 );
>
> Cmp: if ( Eq_Diff( D, Prn_E, Cmp_E ) ) goto Was_Eq ;
>
> Wasnt_Eq: int Back = Cnt_Lines >= 0 ? 0 : 1 + ReSync + Cnt_Lines ;
> Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( -Back, -Back );
> if ( ! ReSync_EoR ) Inc_Prn_Cmp_E( 0, 1 ); else {
> if ( ReSync_EoL ) goto Set_Recs ;
> Set_Prn_Cmp_E( Prn_E + 1, Cmp_B + 1 ); }
> Cnt_Lines = -1 - ReSync ; goto Cmp ;
>
> Set_Recs: Prn Born = { Forth, Prn_B, Prn_E, Cmp_B, Cmp_E };
> if ( Klld ) { Kill = Born ; goto Set_Prn_Cmp ; }
> int Swapd, Prn_Klld , Prn_Born ; Set_Prn;
> if ( Swapd = ! Prn_Klld && ! Prn_Born ) {
> int Kl = Born.Cmp_E - Kill.Prn_B, Brn = Kill.Cmp_E - Born.Prn_B ;
> if ( Kl <= Brn ) Prn_ReSync( Kill );
> if ( Kl >= Brn ) Prn_ReSync( Born ); Set_Prn; }
> Loop( 1 + ! D ) { int Kl = ! J ;
> wchar_t Color = Kl ? Ch_Klld : Ch_Born ;
> Loop( Kl ? Prn_Klld : Prn_Born ) {
> if ( ! J ) { Prn & R = Kl ? Kill : Born ;
> Prn_B = R.Prn_B, Prn_E = R.Prn_E, Cmp_B = R.Cmp_B, Cmp_E = R.Cmp_E ;
> if ( D ) * ++ D = Swapd ? Ch_Swapd : Ch_Color ; }
> if ( D ) * ++ D = * ++ ( LnP & ) Prn_B ;
> else { int Call_Eq = ++ Cmp_B <= Cmp_E ;
> if ( * * LnA( ++ Prn_B ) == 1 ) continue ;
> if ( Prn_B < EE_Prn, Call_Eq ) {
> Diff<LnP>( * LnA( Prn_B ), 0, * LnA( Cmp_B ), 0, Color );
> if ( Swapd ) * * LnA( Cmp_B ) = 1 ; }
> Sh(
> L"%c|%c%s", Color, Call_Eq ? Ch_Default : Color
> , Call_Eq ? _T : * LnA( Prn_B ) ); } } }
> B_Klld = Kill.Prn_E, B_Born = Born.Prn_E ; goto Set_Prn_Cmp ; }
>
>Diff_Files( int Wild_Carding, LnP Nam_L, LnP Nam_R ) {
> static int F_Num ; F_Num ++ ;
> // if ( F_Num != 13 ) return ;
> // Ignore_Nums = 1 ;
> LnP P = Nam_R ;
> if ( Wild_Carding ) {
> P = From_Start( P, 0 ) - 1 ;
> if ( * P != '\\' && * P != '/' ) Str( ++ P, L"\\" ); P = Nam_R ;
> Str( P = _T, L"%s%s", Nam_R, Nam_L ); }
> Sh( L"%c%s%c, %s", Ch_Hi, Nam_L, Ch_Default, Nam_R );
> static LnT Lt, Rt ;
> Loop( 2 ) { int Klld = ! J ;
> LnP Nam = Klld ? Nam_L : P ; LnT & Ln = Klld ? Lt : Rt ;
> FILE * fp = fopen ( Nam,L"rb");
> if( ! fp ) { Sh(L"\n_ %s _ Not Found.", Nam ); return ; }
> int Sz = filelength( fileno( fp ) );
> if( ! Sz ) { Sh(L"\n_ %s _ is empty.", Nam ); return ; }
> static __LnP BB[ 2 ];
> __LnP & _B = BB[ Klld ]; free( _B );
> _B = ( __LnP ) malloc( Sz += 4 * Sz_Char );
> __LnP _E = _B + fread( _B, 1, Sz, fp ); fclose( fp );
> LnP B = ( LnP ) _B, E = ( LnP ) _E ;
> if ( * B != Magic_UTF_16 ) { * _E = 0 ;
> B = ( LnP ) malloc( ( Sz + 4 ) * Sz_Char );
> Sz = MultiByteToWideChar( CP_ACP, 0, _B, -1, B + 1, Sz );
> free( _B ), _B = ( __LnP ) B, E = 1 + B + Sz - 1 ; }
> * B ++ = 0 ;
> if ( B == E ) { Sh(L"\n_ %s _ is empty.", Nam ); return ; }
> if ( * -- E != 10 ) * ++ E = 10 ; * ++ E = 0 ; LnP P = B ;
> LnP P_Nxt = From_Start ( P, 0 );
> if ( P_Nxt > B && P_Nxt [ -1 ] != 10 ) * P_Nxt = 10, * ++ P_Nxt = 0 ;
> Ln.PP = Ln.BB - 1 ;
> LOOP { Inc ( Ln ) = P ; LnP P_Nxt = E = From_Start ( P, 10 );
> * E = 0 ; while ( * -- E && * E <= 32 ); * ++ E = 0 ;
> P = ++ P_Nxt ; if ( ! * P ) break; } }
> Diff<LnA>( Lt.BB, Lt.PP, Rt.BB, Rt.PP, 0 ); }

What a mess. You are proud of this?

Art Deco

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Jeff’ĶRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

>Hi Phineas, Speaking of my professional code... You told me it:
>
> ...suffers from spaghettification.
> With bad code its best to just ditch it.
> If you're so good, why are you paid peanuts, troll?
>
>I very much like " Spaghetti code "... goto's are far superior to loops.


>Unfortunately, I learned that _Very_ late in my career.
>

>As for what I get paid... as I just told T_Wake...


>
>I'd get paid more if I worked for MicroSoft,
>but then I wouldn't be " Judgement Proof " anymore.
>What's worse, I wouldn't have anywhere near the autonomy I enjoy now.
>
>As you may recall... I'll likely to go to my grave having
>an estimated net worth of around negative one million U.S. dollars.

How many more times are you going to post this same dreck?

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Art Deco

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T Wake <usenet...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

Excellent! Let the underscores flow, then.

Randy Poe

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Jeff...Relf wrote:
> Hi T_Wake, B.A.H. and Randy Poe, The bottom line is this...
>
> The banking schools ( GSB's ) have their heads up their asses.
> They're paying for their follies and making me look like a genius.

Really? So if you raised your rates by say 25%, they'd
still keep you on?

Since you look like a genius to them, worth much more than
the Microsoft programmers, you'd still be a bargain even if
you charged just half of what the MS guys charge, right?

(And no, I don't want you to actually ask them, because you
*would* lose this arrangement that works for you and for
them. I don't want to feel responsible for that.)

- Randy

T Wake

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"Art Deco" <erfc...@usa.net> wrote in message
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I_am_Sure_JeffWill_have_a_fieldDay_of_underScores_and_camelCase_comments_to_make


T Wake

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"Randy Poe" <poespa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jeff claims he works for below minimum wage because he doesn't think money
is important and values his time more.

The reality is, if he raised his rates he could work less hours (i.e. have
more of his valuable free time) and he could live in a more stable
environment (i.e. he wouldn't have to spend his valuable time being
evicted).

The _real_ reality (like how I brought two Relfisms in there), is that if he
raised his rates to even minimum wage they would never hire him again.


Jeff…Relf

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Hi T_Wake and Randy Poe,

I charge by the project ( while thinking in terms of monthly expenses ).
I do not charge ( or think, or log ) in terms of hourly wages.

My hourly wage could be anything from 5 dollars an hour
to 100 dollars an hour... it all depends ( and I don't keep track of it ).

Sometimes I go months with no work ( which I enjoy ),
othertimes I'm swamped... it all depends.

Patinha's boyfriends, addictions, attitudes and schizo behavior
are what get me evicted, not me proper. She's gone now. ( but for how long ? )
I keep other visitors to a minimum ( I make them beg to enter ).
All visitors are told to avoid the halls and stay out of the mail.
I think we don't have locked mailboxes because
the _Landlord_ likes to go through ( and open ) our mail.

I only care about two things when it comes to renting:

1. How close is it to campus.

2. How cheap is the rent and security deposits.

Living in a mansion in a high-class neighborhood
( e.g. in Fearless_Johnny at the Montlake Yacht Club ) sounds horrid to me.
The thing I liked most about Fearless_Johnny was all the electronics.
I was willing to _Try_ it for awhile... but the _Deal_ fell through.


Fred Hall

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Dec 16, 2006, 5:36:05 PM12/16/06
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Why is it your posts remind me of Teh Varnisher?


T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> Hi T_Wake and Randy Poe,
>
> I charge by the project ( while thinking in terms of monthly expenses ).
> I do not charge ( or think, or log ) in terms of hourly wages.

You have said this in the past. As I pointed out to you, your idiotic
approach means you charge (for example) US$1000 for a project which will
take you (for example) six months.

If you were even slightly capable of acting like an adult you would be able
to determine a reasonable charge for the project based on effort.

You claim your spare time is important to you but it doesnt seem to be as
you are willing to give it up (i.e. work) for next to nothing.

> My hourly wage could be anything from 5 dollars an hour
> to 100 dollars an hour... it all depends ( and I don't keep track of it ).

Yeah, it would break your heart if you did.

> Sometimes I go months with no work ( which I enjoy ),
> othertimes I'm swamped... it all depends.

Sadly, your childish outlook means you cant see how you could actually
_improve_ your situation with minimal effort. Although that would require
you were actually at least decent at writing code and as we all know, you
aren't.

> Patinha's boyfriends, addictions, attitudes and schizo behavior
> are what get me evicted, not me proper. She's gone now. ( but for how
> long ? )
> I keep other visitors to a minimum ( I make them beg to enter ).
> All visitors are told to avoid the halls and stay out of the mail.
> I think we don't have locked mailboxes because
> the _Landlord_ likes to go through ( and open ) our mail.
>
> I only care about two things when it comes to renting:
>
> 1. How close is it to campus.

Earn enough to have your own broadband and be able to travel to campus.

> 2. How cheap is the rent and security deposits.

If you earned a realistic wage, this would not be an issue. Can you really
not see that?

> Living in a mansion in a high-class neighborhood
> ( e.g. in Fearless_Johnny at the Montlake Yacht Club ) sounds horrid to
> me.
> The thing I liked most about Fearless_Johnny was all the electronics.
> I was willing to _Try_ it for awhile... but the _Deal_ fell through.

Your idiocy means you think there are only two options.


Phineas T Puddleduck

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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Hi T_Wake and Randy Poe,
>
> I charge by the project ( while thinking in terms of monthly expenses ).
> I do not charge ( or think, or log ) in terms of hourly wages.
>
> My hourly wage could be anything from 5 dollars an hour
> to 100 dollars an hour... it all depends ( and I don't keep track of it ).

If I paypal you $100 will you piss off?

--

Just \int_0^\infty du it!

--

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 16, 2006, 5:50:56 PM12/16/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Living in a mansion in a high-class neighborhood
> ( e.g. in Fearless_Johnny at the Montlake Yacht Club ) sounds horrid to me.
> The thing I liked most about Fearless_Johnny was all the electronics.
> I was willing to _Try_ it for awhile... but the _Deal_ fell through.

It was all in his head you delusional nutjob.

Jeff…Relf

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Hi TFTX, Gary L. Burnore,

Competence is relative...
It doesn't surprise me that my code is too complex for you guys.

The most " obfuscated " code, even intentionally obfuscated code,
is easily read and edited by me...
So long as I can use Visual_Studio's debugger.

I don't work for " banks ", I work for " The Bankers " ( www.ABA.COM ),
people who _Teach_ banking ( including regulations ) all over the planet.


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Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 16, 2006, 5:54:52 PM12/16/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Competence is relative...
> It doesn't surprise me that my code is too complex for you guys.

You meant "shit" but you wrote "complex"

Failed a structured programming course?

T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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> Hi TFTX, Gary L. Burnore,
>
> Competence is relative...

Hahaha. Not normally the case. "Competence" is normally used to describe a
baseline standard (i.e. competent or not competent) which, while relative to
task, is not "relative" in the sense you try to use here.

> It doesn't surprise me that my code is too complex for you guys.

Hahaha.

> The most " obfuscated " code, even intentionally obfuscated code,
> is easily read and edited by me...
> So long as I can use Visual_Studio's debugger.

This is so funny. You should go on stage.

>
> I don't work for " banks ", I work for " The Bankers " ( www.ABA.COM ),
> people who _Teach_ banking ( including regulations ) all over the planet.
>

Like I said, you are a merchant banker. Do they teach banking in Cote
d'Ivoire?


Art Deco

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Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:

They also reek of varnish?

Fred Hall

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"Art Deco" <erfc...@usa.net> wrote in message
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I've always suspected his consumption of some sort of chemical made him this
way.


Jeff…Relf

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Hi The_Ghost_In_The_Machine,

With goto's I can remove 3 or 4 levels of nesting ( and indenting ).
Further... The labels makes my code _Tons_ more readable.

I could ( and should ) give you examples,
but I don't want to think that hard right now.


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T Wake

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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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More priceless Relfish nonsense.


Phineas T Puddleduck

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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Hi The_Ghost_In_The_Machine,
>
> With goto's I can remove 3 or 4 levels of nesting ( and indenting ).
> Further... The labels makes my code _Tons_ more readable.

Only for you. Your code is uncommented for a start. You'd be flunked off
any programming course.


>
> I could ( and should ) give you examples,
> but I don't want to think that hard right now.

Structured programming really passed you by didn't it?

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Phineas T Puddleduck

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In article <n05989...@Auy.E9C7>, TFTX <cp...@Bx3JIC.avppT> wrote:

> He probably got started programming in a language like the old BASIC for
> the Commodore computers, where you had no choice but to use "goto" and
> "gosub" all over the place because there was only one kind of loop (the
> FOR-NEXT loop) and there were no such things as functions or procedures.
>

He claims Fortran 77 was one of his earliest experiences. My knowledge
of Fortran is 90/95 so I am not sure what it is like in that repsect.


> (I was going to suggest that he got started with assembly language, where
> you *must* use jumps and branches and stuff to do anything even remotely
> useful... But I can't imagine that tard writing assembly.)

That's scarier then Aliens.

Jeff…Relf

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Hi Phineas, People who work hard for little pay are not " leeches ".


T Wake

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Dec 16, 2006, 6:59:18 PM12/16/06
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET...
> Hi Phineas, People who work hard for little pay are not " leeches ".

Once more, Jeff demonstrates his childlike ability to misread every post he
replies to.

He tries to mask his ignorance by refusing to quote the message he replies
to (or when he does, he does it badly), thinking this will mean people don't
know he is doing an avoidance dance.

Sadly for Jeff, USENET is not like that. Jeff must *really* hate Google
Groups.


Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 16, 2006, 7:00:06 PM12/16/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Hi Phineas, People who work hard for little pay are not " leeches ".

People who deliberately avoid paying for their kids are.

The Thing

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Dec 16, 2006, 8:16:06 PM12/16/06
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:54:57 +0000, Jeff…Relf wrote:

> Hi TFTX, Re:
>
> Diff<LnA>( Lt.BB, Lt.PP, Rt.BB, Rt.PP, 0 );
>
> www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.PNG
> www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.EXE
> ( for help, double-click Dif.EXE )
> www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.CPP
>
> You told me:
>
> If I had a programmer hand me something that looked like this,
> they'd be fucking unemployed no later than the next morning.
>
> Sure, you're ( relatively ) incompetent like that... No surprise there.
>
> I've held my current " job " ( working under informal agreements ),
> working for the ABA ( a.k.a. " the bankers ", www.ABA.COM )
> and the banking schools going on 14 years now.
>
> They _Can't_ fire me, no one else ( not even a bunch of MicroSoft guys )
> can do the job... To say nothing of how ( relatively ) little I charge.

Actually, if this is code you wrote for ABA shouldn't you be fired for
disclosing it? There are many justifiable reasons not to want their
banking software distributed besides providing an example of
unusually poor work.

Regards
The

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 8:25:36 PM12/16/06
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Hi Phineas,

According to the law, I don't owe a dime to my fully-grown offspring.
I owe back child support to my ex,
but my income is drastically lower than hers... So what's the big deal ?

Do you imagine that I could earn more ?
Why is money so important to you ?


Randy Poe

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Dec 16, 2006, 8:38:29 PM12/16/06
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
> Hi Phineas,
>
> According to the law, I don't owe a dime to my fully-grown offspring.
> I owe back child support to my ex,
> but my income is drastically lower than hers... So what's the big deal ?
>
> Do you imagine that I could earn more ?

We not imagine you could earn more.

We could imagine many barely literate people could earn more
than you are currently earning.

> Why is money so important to you ?

Why do you charge at all if it isn't important to you?

- Randy

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 8:44:45 PM12/16/06
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Hi Randy_Poe, Re: Why I _Control_ my income and assets...

Think of it this way:

I like weighing something ( say 145 pounds ),
but I don't like weighing tons ( say 400 pounds ).

My kids, living independently, surely make more money than I do.

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 16, 2006, 9:03:23 PM12/16/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

> Hi Phineas,
>
> According to the law, I don't owe a dime to my fully-grown offspring.
> I owe back child support to my ex,
> but my income is drastically lower than hers... So what's the big deal ?
>

You're a deadbeat dad.

> Do you imagine that I could earn more ?
> Why is money so important to you ?

Who said it is - oh thats right, the voices in your head did.

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 16, 2006, 9:08:10 PM12/16/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

You're a deadbeat dad. I'd pay good money to see you on something like
Jerry Springer..

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 9:09:36 PM12/16/06
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Hi The_Thing ( and TFTX ) Re:


Diff<LnA>( Lt.BB, Lt.PP, Rt.BB, Rt.PP, 0 );

www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.PNG
www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.EXE
( for help, double-click Dif.EXE )
www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dif.CPP

The ABA didn't ask for it, nor did they pay for it,
but I had to write it because WinDiff.EXE doesn't show Chinese or Russian
and it couldn't ignore " Same Column Numbers " listed on a balance sheet.

I was glad to write it anyways... as I use it for personal reasons as well.
Interestingly, I didn't borrow any code at all.
All I had to do was make sure it worked at least as well as WinDiff.

The Russian bankers provided more than enough test cases !


Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 9:18:17 PM12/16/06
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Hi Phineas, My ( futile ) efforts to help Patinha
are the closest I come to being a " dad ".
If anything, I'm a grandpa with heavy, life-long Liens/Debts.


Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 16, 2006, 9:19:23 PM12/16/06
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In article <Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

Don't expect sympathy from me, you made the bed - you lie in it -
deadbeat.

Tom Potter

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"Art Deco" <erfc...@usa.net> wrote in message
news:161220061014244337%erfc...@usa.net...
> Jeff'ĶRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
>>Hi T_Wake, B.A.H. and Randy Poe, The bottom line is this...
>>
>>The banking schools ( GSB's ) have their heads up their asses.
>>They're paying for their follies and making me look like a genius.
>>
>>It's _Easier_ to fork code, keeping the old stuff,
>>than it is to do a total rewrite;
>>yet the Micro$$$oft fuckups can't even do that !
>>
>>All they have to do is compile the code ( taking a few hours at most )
>>and then go from there... but that's too hard for them, apparently.
>>
>>I don't just look better compared to them, I look cheaper !
>>Their main concern is that I might get hit by a truck or something.
>>
>>Of course...
>>It's not me that's the main issue, it's the guy I work for, " my professor
>>".
>>Compared to him, I'm _Very_ replaceable.
>
> Jeff-underscore-Relf has been working overtime this month with
> dedication and making sure AUK is on the receiving end of his wisdom,
> so I think it is time for a little reward -- I nominate him for Kook of
> the Month, Dec. 2006.
>
> Any seconds?

Art,
why do you insist on wasting the time and resources
of rational, intelligent, mature, MORAL folks,
with your childish trash,
and drawing other immature, sociopaths into sci.physics?

Why don't you get a life?

Or why don't you try to make some original, creative posts,
as the targets of your childish attacks do?

Or better get, why don't you seek professional help?

These guys are the weeds of mankind.
They take up space, provide nothing useful,
and smother out useful products.

--
Tom Potter
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com

Art Deco

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Dec 16, 2006, 10:03:07 PM12/16/06
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Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi, Crackpotter! See how many you match:

<http://www.lowgenius.net/kookway.htm>

Phineas T Puddleduck

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Dec 16, 2006, 10:05:04 PM12/16/06
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In article <161220062003073363%erfc...@usa.net>,
Art Deco <erfc...@usa.net> wrote:

> >Art,
> >why do you insist on wasting the time and resources
> >of rational, intelligent, mature, MORAL folks,
> >with your childish trash,
> >and drawing other immature, sociopaths into sci.physics?
> >
> >Why don't you get a life?
> >
> >Or why don't you try to make some original, creative posts,
> >as the targets of your childish attacks do?
> >
> >Or better get, why don't you seek professional help?
> >
> >These guys are the weeds of mankind.
> >They take up space, provide nothing useful,
> >and smother out useful products.
>
> Hi, Crackpotter! See how many you match:
>
> <http://www.lowgenius.net/kookway.htm>

Oh the irony. Potter berating people. I think thats one of the signs of
the Kookalypse...

--

Just \int_0^\infty du it!

--

Randy Poe

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Dec 16, 2006, 10:12:25 PM12/16/06
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Which person in this conversation uses the math newsgroup to
complain about his living conditions and landlords? Why
do you think nobody you're talking to has any of those
problems?

- Randy

Jeff…Relf

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Dec 16, 2006, 10:25:51 PM12/16/06
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Hi Randy_Poe, I don't start crossposts, in fact, I often trim-out newsgroups.
People stalk me and start talking about T.J. and Patinha,
they don't give a shit what thread I might be in at the time.

So you don't have a dying junkie to worry about...
Well good for you ! but that's not me.


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