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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 12, 2007, 6:46:25 PM8/12/07
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friend Gantlet wrote:
> convicted neighbor "Susan" <neve...@nomail.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDF&ProduktNr=223543&ArtikelNr=59680&filename=.pdf
> >
> > ............................
> > Evolutionary Aspects of Nutrition and Health
> > Diet, Exercise, Genetics and Chronic Disease
> > ..
> > ............................
> > World Review of Nutrition
> > and Dietetics
> > Vol. 84
> > Series Editors Artemis P. Simopoulos
> > The Center for Genetics, Nutrition and Health,
> > Washington, D.C.
> >
> > Susan
>
> I like how they attacked whole grains and made a list of how grains lack
> nutrients.
> For the matter they can even say the same thing about fruits and veggies.
> you can live very healthy on whole grains alone.

Correct.

> They said nothing about fats lack of nutrients and that a diet of nothing
> but protien will kill you real quick.

It remains wiser to have variety of different food groups in each meal
while understanding that without glucose the brain would cease normal
function.

> its also from 1999

Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
Origin of Species, is dead.

No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.

A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it viable.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

tr...@is-best.com

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Aug 12, 2007, 7:19:29 PM8/12/07
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"Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
Origin of Species, is dead.

No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.

A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it viable."

A continued display of ignorance of the literature in biology and
metabolic disorders. Woefully weak display of the philosophy of
science. Strong display of why the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc., is not
science by the very words above.

Happy to provide upon request scientific support for all, unlike some
who are unable to do so despite request.

God bless.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 12, 2007, 7:40:31 PM8/12/07
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Kurt wrote:
> convicted neighbor Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:

> > Gantlet wrote:
>
> > > I like how they attacked whole grains and made a list of how grains lack
> > > nutrients.
> >
> > They didn't attack anything; they're scientists, not politicians.

> >
> > > For the matter they can even say the same thing about fruits and veggies.
> > > you can live very healthy on whole grains alone.
> >
> > No, you can't. Fruits and veggies are nutrient dense and full of life
> > saving antioxidants. Grains are calorie dense with lots of oxidants and
> > little nutrient density.
>
> Not true if you're talking about "whole" grains. The antioxidants in
> whole grains are in the germ and the bran of a grain. As far as
> nutrients, whole grains are a good source of Vitamin B, Vitamin E,
> magnesium, iron and fiber as well as other valuable antioxidants not
> found in some fruits and vegetables.

Correct.

Don Kirkman

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Aug 13, 2007, 3:38:04 AM8/13/07
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <1186958785.1...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>:


>Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
>Origin of Species, is dead.

>No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.

>A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it viable.

I assume this also applies to successful predictions of cured T2
diabetes simply through eating two pounds a day, and of predictions of
nuclear war with Iran and of global catastrophe due to avian flu and of
the Apocalypse any day now?
--
Don Kirkman

Sanity's Little Helper

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Don Kirkman <don...@wavecable.com> wrote in
news:e920c3hgjvvmhr6q2...@4ax.com to sci.med.cardiology:

Not to mention Global Earthquakes, which earned him his nickname.

Anyway, he's lying:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html.

http://ceolas.org/VL/fly/labs.html

--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208

"Fuck! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 13, 2007, 4:51:33 AM8/13/07
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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
> >Origin of Species, is dead.
>
> >No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.
>
> >A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it viable.
>
> I assume this also applies to successful predictions of cured T2
> diabetes simply through eating two pounds a day, and of predictions of
> nuclear war with Iran and of global catastrophe due to avian flu and of
> the Apocalypse any day now?

To write that things are possible is not a prediction.

Truth is simple.

"...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
19:26)

Amen.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 13, 2007, 6:59:33 AM8/13/07
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convicted friend Kathy Claytor (KC) wrote:
> "Jackie Patti" <jpa...@ccil.org> wrote:
>
> > IMO, one of the advantages of a non-diabetic spouse is that you get to
> > have tastes of things. I can eat one french fry if they're on his plate.
> > ;)
> >
>
> I have tastes of my kids foods too. It is nice to be able to just have a
> taste of some things.
>
> KC

Tasting things that are good makes us wonderfully hungrier :-)

Sanity's Little Helper

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Aug 13, 2007, 11:03:04 AM8/13/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
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>
> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
> 19:26)
>
> Amen.
>

There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an infinite
number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited to, all
of the intermediate energy states of charged particles. Therefore there is
no God.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 13, 2007, 12:10:42 PM8/13/07
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convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f32d3b9f11b39c70?

> >
>
> There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an infinite
> number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited to, all
> of the intermediate energy states of charged particles. Therefore there is
> no God.

Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 13, 2007, 4:07:08 PM8/13/07
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friend Jim Chinnis wrote:
> convicted neighbor Susan <neve...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
> >You'd die without
> >fat or protein but live a very long life without dietary carbs.
>
> True.

Was not true for this 16-year-old girl who forsaked dietary carbs (my
condolences to surviving friends and family):

"Emergency teams were summoned to a local high school to care for a 16-
year-old girl who had suddenly collapsed. She was 5 feet 8 inches tall
and weighed approximately 80 to 85 kg (176 to 187 lb). The patient had
been in good health with no known history of medical problems. She had
started a low-carbohydrate/high-protein diet 1 or 2 weeks earlier in
an effort to lose weight. She had learned about the diet from video
tapes, purchased from an advertisement on television. Her mother had
been on the same diet. She had complied with the dietary regimen,
eating meat, cheese, and salads without fasting. When the paramedics
arrived, the girl was pulseless and apneic. The electrocardiogram
revealed ventricular fibrillation. The patient's trachea was intubated
and cardiopulmonary resuscitation was initiated. Resuscitative
measures, including defibrillation, were without effect. On arrival in
the emergency department, the patient remained pulseless, with no
evidence of cardiac activity. Arterial blood gas analysis revealed a
pH of 6.89, with a base deficit of -19.8. Other laboratory values were
serum sodium 142 mEq/L, ionized calcium 1.12 mEq/L, and serum
potassium 3.8 mEq/L. Further resuscitative efforts were without
effect. Postmortem and toxicologic examinations revealed no apparent
cause for the death. Subsequent cardiologic evaluation of the
patient's 12-year-old sibling including echocardiography and
electrocardiography was within normal limits."

Source:

http://tinyurl.com/28ycon

Sanity's Little Helper

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Aug 13, 2007, 5:04:49 PM8/13/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187021442.0...@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com to
sci.med.cardiology:

> convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f32d3b9f11b39c
>> > 70?
>> >
>>
>> There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
>> infinite number of things that are not possible, including, but not
>> limited to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged
>> particles. Therefore there is no God.
>
> Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Without particle physics, your rantings are enough to make Schrödinger's
cat laugh.

>
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>

I am full, I am healthy, and I am lucky I'm not you.

> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>

Keep making that rod for your own back. Somebody from a university near
you will be along to thrash you with it before long.

> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><

"Holy Zarquon Singing Fish!" - Zaphod Beeblebrox.

> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist

Watch out for that rod.
>
>

--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208

"Fuck! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 13, 2007, 5:28:26 PM8/13/07
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In article <Xns998BE09C8EBD9mxyzptlkÅš.177.96.26> "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> writes:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
> news:1187021442.0...@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com to
> sci.med.cardiology:
>
> > convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f32d3b9f11b39c
> >> > 70?
> >> >
> >>
> >> There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> >> infinite number of things that are not possible, including, but not
> >> limited to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged
> >> particles. Therefore there is no God.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Without particle physics, your rantings are enough to make Schrödinger's
> cat laugh.

Or hiss. We won't be able to tell until we open `er up.

-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 13, 2007, 5:45:34 PM8/13/07
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convicted David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f32d3b9f11b39c70?
> >> >
> >>
> >> There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> >> infinite number of things that are not possible, including, but not
> >> limited to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged
> >> particles. Therefore there is no God.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Without particle physics, your rantings are enough to make Schrödinger's
> cat laugh.

GOD remains sovereign with all things submitting to HIS infinite and
perfect will.

HE is the Author of all reality including the infinite alternate ones
that do not include Schrödinger's cat.

> >
> > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > you:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>
> I am full, I am healthy, and I am lucky I'm not you.

Without the LORD, all that you are is simply meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).

> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
> >
>
> Keep making that rod for your own back. Somebody from a university near
> you will be along to thrash you with it before long.

Already happened in 1997 and GOD brought me back.

> > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
> >
> > Andrew <><
>
> "Holy Zarquon Singing Fish!" - Zaphod Beeblebrox.
>
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Cardiologist
>
> Watch out for that rod.

Wiser to reverently fear GOD and dread nothing that is of this world:

http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressReport

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><

James...@yahoo.com

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Aug 13, 2007, 8:45:30 PM8/13/07
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On 12 Aug, 18:46, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wheezed>

> > its also from 1999
>
> Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
> Origin of Species, is dead.
>
> No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.
>
> A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it viable.
>

One usual definition of a species is a group of living things which
can reproduce themselves and which will not cross breed with related
species and produce young which will be able to reproduce. ie a
species is reproductively isolated from other species. Of course
there are other less restrictive definitions also. Using this
restrictive definition Dr Sheele observed a new species originate
clear back about 1960. Way before gene splicing and all the modern
stuff.

So we have a new species and a successful prediction by Darwin.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 13, 2007, 9:06:55 PM8/13/07
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neighbor James216...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >

Species, predicted new species of greater complexity.

Instead what has been observed is degeneration (loss of biodiversity
and loss of complexity) instead of Darwin's evolution:

http://www.evolutionisdegeneration.com

Bottomline:

Darwin's Theory of Evolution is still very much dead.

tr...@is-better.com

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Aug 13, 2007, 9:54:15 PM8/13/07
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Our friend in atlanta was in a mood for opinion:

"Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The Origin of
Species, predicted new species of greater complexity.

Instead what has been observed is degeneration (loss of biodiversity
and loss of complexity) instead of Darwin's evolution:"

Sorry, bottom line, nothing even close to the above was proposed by
darwin. Me thinks our friend has not read the book and has incorrectly
absorbed 5th and 6th hand misreadings and otherwise useless information
instead.

I must admit however, there are many urban myths about darwin being
taught as factual, this is a new one to me. How recently was it
invented?

The above comes from not being up on the literature concerning darwin.
This state of things is a now familiar flaw in the source.

But who needs facts when one has a good bit of gossip in hand?

God bless.

James...@yahoo.com

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Aug 13, 2007, 10:41:30 PM8/13/07
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I could not agree with you more. It is obvious poor andy has never
read Darwin or he could not possibly say something so 100% stupid. I
think it is the usual invention of his own diseased and sick head.
Some mental illnesses cause you to hear voices in your head saying all
kinds of strange things. It is called delusional. At the rate of
progression we should not have to put up with the poor guy much
longer. It is a shame his god fries peoples ass in Hell for sinning.
He is going to be baked to a crisp. He just sinned again by telling a
lie about what Darwin wrote.

Geoff

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Aug 14, 2007, 12:12:54 AM8/14/07
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The Origin of
> Species, predicted new species of greater complexity.

Wrong. There is nothing in evolutionary theory that even remotely posits a
trend to greater complexity. Even if there was, how would you measure it?

> Instead what has been observed is degeneration (loss of biodiversity

Which has fuck all to do with evolutioanry theory and everything to do with
human impact on the environment.

> and loss of complexity

Go ahead. Make my day. Give me a cite. Tell me what the metric is.

> ) instead of Darwin's evolution:
>
> http://www.evolutionisdegeneration.com
>
> Bottomline:
>
> Darwin's Theory of Evolution is still very much dead.

Bottom line: Chung is an idiot and doesn't no shit about his own field of
biology. sad.


Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th

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Aug 14, 2007, 12:39:52 AM8/14/07
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Sanity's Little Helper

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Aug 14, 2007, 4:43:59 AM8/14/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187041534.7...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com to
sci.med.cardiology:

Your reading for comprehension leaves a lot to be desired, and your
statement - that everybody else's point of view is meaningless if it does
not concur with yours - does not speak well of your mental health.

With your qualifications, I would be working at a university somewhere,
probably Emory, as that is where you studied, teaching medicine to aspiring
surgeons. Why aren't you? Are your qualifications genuine? What was the
topic of research for which you earned your doctorate? Is a copy of your
thesis available?

parsi...@gmail.com

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Aug 14, 2007, 5:19:44 AM8/14/07
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On 14 août, 03:06, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> neighbor James216...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
> > > Origin of Species, is dead.
>
> > > No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.
>
> > > A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it viable.
>
> > One usual definition of a species is a group of living things which
> > can reproduce themselves and which will not cross breed with related
> > species and produce young which will be able to reproduce. ie a
> > species is reproductively isolated from other species. Of course
> > there are other less restrictive definitions also. Using this
> > restrictive definition Dr Sheele observed a new species originate
> > clear back about 1960. Way before gene splicing and all the modern
> > stuff.
>
> > So we have a new species and a successful prediction by Darwin.
>
> Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The Origin of
> Species, predicted new species of greater complexity.
>
> Instead what has been observed is degeneration (loss of biodiversity
> and loss of complexity) instead of Darwin's evolution:
>
> http://www.evolutionisdegeneration.com
>
> Bottomline:
>
> Darwin's Theory of Evolution is still very much dead.

No. Your brain activity is still very much dead.
You seem incapable of one rational thought and your "intellectual
activity" consists in little more than seriously disturbed rant about
your god. Even the Pope isn't *that* fanatic...
Try to show some intelligence and then, we'll discuss with you.
Until then, fuck off, moron and stop posting to alt.atheism.

Michael Gray

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Aug 14, 2007, 5:41:36 AM8/14/07
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Chung is seriously mentally ill, and deserves to be treated as such.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 14, 2007, 6:07:52 AM8/14/07
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convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:
> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
> >>> > Origin of Species, is dead.
>
> The book may go but the records nthe crust of the earth will remain.

GOD has created and is creating all things seen and unseen, including
all things in the crust of the earth.

> Almost all religions have caveats against falsehood.

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

It also remains my choice to refrain from being religious.

Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen LORD
Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

> Ever hear of DNA?

Yes.

GOD has given me the experience of discovering and working with DNA
sequences that are identical in both base composition and function in
all species of organisms that are living here on this planet.

This experience has proven to me that Darwin's Theory of Evolution
remains stillborn.

Suggested additional reading:

http://www.evolutionisdegeneration.com/

tr...@is-best.com

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Aug 14, 2007, 11:30:06 AM8/14/07
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Our atlanta friend was of the opinion:

"GOD has created and is creating all things seen and unseen, including
all things in the crust of the earth."

Yep, and His creation is an additional revelation of Him and the
creation says evolution.

> Almost all religions have caveats against falsehood.

"It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully."

Yes it does, but your failure to always make that choice is at question.

Yes.

"GOD has given me the experience of discovering and working with DNA
sequences that are identical in both base composition and function in
all species of organisms that are living here on this planet."

Any biology 101 student knows of this kind of dna information. It
supports evolution,ie. descent with modification. Much dna is in common
to living things, the modifications that are different speak of the
evolution that has occurred to produce it.

God bless.

Ron Peterson

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Aug 14, 2007, 12:03:12 PM8/14/07
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On Aug 13, 3:07 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> Was not true for this 16-year-old girl who forsaked dietary carbs (my
> condolences to surviving friends and family):

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/442894_print says that the girl
was eating salads so she wasn't completely carbohydrate free.

--
Ron

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 14, 2007, 1:14:40 PM8/14/07
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Ron Peterson wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/24948015654e092c?

>
> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/442894_print says that the girl
> was eating salads so she wasn't completely carbohydrate free.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly heighten concerns about low-carb dieting.

It remains wiser to eat less, down to the optimal amount, to becoming
healthier (hungrier) to lose all the bad "inside" fat (visceral
adipose tissue or VAT) to cure the insulin resistance (IR/MetS) and
possibly cure even type-2 diabetes.

It is only when we are hungry that our bodies get rid of VAT:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

This completely free Approach comes with free cardiologist support via
usenet plus an unprecedented million-dollar guarantee:

http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

Conspiracy of Doves

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Aug 14, 2007, 1:31:46 PM8/14/07
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On Aug 14, 6:07 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Am I the only one who imagines the adults from the peanuts cartoons
talking whenever the Chungbot says anything?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 14, 2007, 3:09:46 PM8/14/07
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satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> Am I the only one who imagines the adults from the peanuts cartoons
> talking whenever the Chungbot says anything?

It seems your sockpuppet is suffering from psychoses, satan.

Hearing incomprehensible voices while reading a usenet post would be
diagnostic tell.

In Jesus' name, I rebuke you, satan.

Prayerfully in the awesome power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Servant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords

TC

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Aug 14, 2007, 3:12:50 PM8/14/07
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On Aug 13, 3:07 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> friend Jim Chinnis wrote:

Chung, you friggin' heartless moron. You are such a friggin'
opportunist.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 14, 2007, 3:20:25 PM8/14/07
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neighbor TC wrote:
> Chung, you friggin' heartless moron. You are such a friggin'
> opportunist.

Name-calling simply shows that you are lost:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp

The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...

... we are simply forgiven by GOD:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/

May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

parsi...@gmail.com

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Aug 14, 2007, 3:35:19 PM8/14/07
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On 14 Aug., 21:09, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"


Get help. Now.
You're frightening.

>
> Prayerfully in the awesome power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

> Servant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords- Zitierten Text ausblenden -
>
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 14, 2007, 3:44:30 PM8/14/07
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> > a diagnostic tell.

> >
> > In Jesus' name, I rebuke you, satan.
>
> Get help.

Jesus is all the help I need to rebuke satan.

> Now. You're frightening.

"Fear not those who can kill the body and do nothing more. Fear HIM
Who can destroy the soul." -- LORD Jesus Christ.

Amen:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp

Reverently fear GOD and dread nothing (especially not satan) that is
of this world:

http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought

Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><


--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Cardiologist

Cary Kittrell

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Whoa! Amazing. Classic trombone-with-toilet-plunger-mute.

Good catch, CD.


-- cary


Medusa

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Aug 14, 2007, 4:13:43 PM8/14/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> Jesus is all the help I need to rebuke satan.

Easy to "rebuke" that which does not exist.

> > Now. You're frightening.
>
> "Fear not those who can kill the body and do nothing more. Fear HIM
> Who can destroy the soul." -- LORD Jesus Christ.

You mean like Voldemort? That's another work of fiction written for
children.

Medusa

Cary Kittrell

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And no doubt that is why Satan never posts here. Good job.


-- cary

Dave Oldridge

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Aug 14, 2007, 4:23:59 PM8/14/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187053615.2...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

> neighbor James216...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> > Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
>> > Origin of Species, is dead.
>> >
>> > No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.
>> >
>> > A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it
viable.
>> >
>>
>> One usual definition of a species is a group of living things which
>> can reproduce themselves and which will not cross breed with related
>> species and produce young which will be able to reproduce. ie a
>> species is reproductively isolated from other species. Of course
>> there are other less restrictive definitions also. Using this
>> restrictive definition Dr Sheele observed a new species originate
>> clear back about 1960. Way before gene splicing and all the modern
>> stuff.
>>
>> So we have a new species and a successful prediction by Darwin.
>
> Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The Origin of
> Species, predicted new species of greater complexity.
>
> Instead what has been observed is degeneration (loss of biodiversity
> and loss of complexity) instead of Darwin's evolution:
>
> http://www.evolutionisdegeneration.com

The first page I looked at made false claims. Complexity only increases
in evolution if it has positive reproductive survival value.

Not only that, many types of mutations INCREASE IT.

If you do not know this, then you know nothing about genetics. If you do
know it, then you're being untruthful about it.

Now a question for you. How does anyone earn an MD without knowing this?
What kinds of institutions hand out degrees on the basis of such abject
ignorance?


--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

Dave Oldridge

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Aug 14, 2007, 4:29:20 PM8/14/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187118586.9...@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Uh, to do that you would actually have to be IN Christ, not just making
spluttering noises about it.

>
> Prayerfully in the awesome power and might of the Holy Spirit,

And, if your prayers included LISTENING to the Holy Spirit instead of
just claiming to speak for Him, you might actually hear something of
value.

> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Servant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords

What I'm seeing here is "servant to my own narcissitic ego."

God requires REAL submission to His will, not just fancy boasts. And one
thing His will requires is that you be ACTUALLY truthful, not just make
vain boasts about being truthful while promulgating falsehoods to butter
up your own ego.

If you ever want to be a real exorcist, you need to wake up and smell the
fundamentalist sulphur.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 14, 2007, 4:32:25 PM8/14/07
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convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:

GOD is amazing.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling

you to be an unwitting accomplice to flushing satan down the toilet.

May HE bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressReport

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><


--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Cardiologist

TC

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On Aug 14, 2:20 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How's the job?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 14, 2007, 4:51:30 PM8/14/07
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> How's the job?

Just advised a patient to stop low-carb dieting unless she wants to
die prematurely.

Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

BuddyThunder

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Aug 14, 2007, 4:58:14 PM8/14/07
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Oh stop it! You're being silly.

BuddyThunder

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Aug 14, 2007, 4:59:28 PM8/14/07
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BAAAHAHAHA!!

Holy saviour on a stick, Batman! You're right!

TC

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Aug 14, 2007, 5:02:43 PM8/14/07
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On Aug 14, 3:51 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Then you show a careless disregard by practising in a field that you
are neither trained for nor "board certified", nor even have a basic
understanding of.

You are a 2-lb diet crank and a failed un-employed cardiologist. Not
to mention a religious nutbar and a fraud.

You have no standing whatsoever to be giving anyone advise on
anything.

Cary Kittrell

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Not only that, he misspelled "ghoul".


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 14, 2007, 7:57:29 PM8/14/07
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Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

parsi...@gmail.com

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Aug 15, 2007, 2:15:41 AM8/15/07
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On 14 Aug., 21:44, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

While you're at it, how about asking him to have a functioning brain?


>
> > Now. You're frightening.
>
> "Fear not those who can kill the body and do nothing more. Fear HIM
> Who can destroy the soul." -- LORD Jesus Christ.

`
I mean that YOU are frightening. Crackpots like you are likely to go
postal...

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 15, 2007, 5:35:47 AM8/15/07
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Did that and HE's done that.

> >
> > > Now. You're frightening.
> >
> > "Fear not those who can kill the body and do nothing more. Fear HIM
> > Who can destroy the soul." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> `
> I mean that YOU are frightening. Crackpots like you are likely to go
> postal...

Jesus' words would help you with your fear of me if you reverently
feared HIM, Who has the power to destroy your soul.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling

you to unwittingly show that it is you who are in need of a
functioning brain.

Geoff

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Aug 15, 2007, 8:44:48 AM8/15/07
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> Jesus' wor...

Ho! <whack>

Yo! *plonk*

I can't believe I didn't do this sooner.


magilla

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Aug 15, 2007, 8:57:16 AM8/15/07
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On Aug 13, 9:06 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> neighbor James216...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
> > > Origin of Species, is dead.
>
> > > No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.
>
> > > A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it viable.
>
> > One usual definition of a species is a group of living things which
> > can reproduce themselves and which will not cross breed with related
> > species and produce young which will be able to reproduce. ie a
> > species is reproductively isolated from other species. Of course
> > there are other less restrictive definitions also. Using this
> > restrictive definition Dr Sheele observed a new species originate
> > clear back about 1960. Way before gene splicing and all the modern
> > stuff.
>
> > So we have a new species and a successful prediction by Darwin.
>
> Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The Origin of
> Species, predicted new species of greater complexity.

No, he didn't. Darwin showed that evolution by means of natural
selection happens. He also proposed that all species have one, or at
most a few, common ancestors. We now think that drift is the most
important cause of speciation, but work is still continuing.

>
> Instead what has been observed is degeneration (loss of biodiversity
> and loss of complexity) instead of Darwin's evolution:

Are you seriously suggesting that the fossil record does not show an
increase in the complexity of organisms from a billion years ago to
now?

Do you believe in a young earth?

Do you believe in a global flood?

Chris

>
> http://www.evolutionisdegeneration.com
>
> Bottomline:
>
> Darwin's Theory of Evolution is still very much dead.


>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 15, 2007, 11:31:40 AM8/15/07
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neighbor Chris Thompson (magilla) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > neighbor James216...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > > Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The
> > > > Origin of Species, is dead.
> >
> > > > No new species have emerged as predicted by this theory.
> >
> > > > A theory requires support by successful predictions to keep it viable.
> >
> > > One usual definition of a species is a group of living things which
> > > can reproduce themselves and which will not cross breed with related
> > > species and produce young which will be able to reproduce. ie a
> > > species is reproductively isolated from other species. Of course
> > > there are other less restrictive definitions also. Using this
> > > restrictive definition Dr Sheele observed a new species originate
> > > clear back about 1960. Way before gene splicing and all the modern
> > > stuff.
> >
> > > So we have a new species and a successful prediction by Darwin.
> >
> > Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The Origin of
> > Species, predicted new species of greater complexity.
>
> No, he didn't.

It logically follows explaining the event of zero species to multiple
species as implied in the name of the theory "The Origin of Species"
that there is a prediction of new species with greater complexity in
the future.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling

you to unwittingly serve as an example of the "degeneration" that
shows Darwin's theory of evolution remains stillborn:

http://www.evolutionisdegeneration.com

Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

BrG...@gmail.com

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Aug 15, 2007, 11:40:48 AM8/15/07
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On Aug 15, 2:35 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> ... that it is you who are in need of a functioning brain.

Name-calling is "the use of offensive names especially to win an
argument or to induce rejection or condemnation (as of a person or
project) without objective consideration of the facts."
Source: http://m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling

"Quackery is a sin." -- Holly Spit
Amen.

Wiser to post less, down to the optimal amount thereby becoming a
responsible person.
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/d559bc684dd89f
--
Mr. Chung's on-line behavior simply shows that the Holy Spirit is
absolutely right in convicting him.

The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly
preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottom line: It remains wise to be peanut-free.
The Peanut-Free Approach is completely free and comes with free
internet support plus an unprecedented kazillion-dollar guarantee.

May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with
unconditionally.

Be on Lizard-Spit... be Peanut-free... be blessed:
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Prayerfully in Lizard-Spit's awesome love,
Gene Goldman
http://heartmdphd.com/Convicts/
T2
Metformin, Lizard-Spit, Aspartame, Nutrisweet, Sacarin

Unlike quacks pushing snake oil and fad diets, please consult a
competent medical professional before following medical advice from
the internet.
Consuming copious amounts of Aspartame-laden soft drinks with reckless
abandon!
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 15, 2007, 11:46:52 AM8/15/07
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convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp

>
> Not only that, he misspelled "ghoul".

No.

In your case of cognitive deficits, this simply shows that the Holy


Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressReport

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Cary Kittrell

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"In your case of cognitive defects"?

In some language that's English?

-- cary

(hi, Joss Whedon)

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 15, 2007, 12:36:18 PM8/15/07
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Yes, that would be the written language, dear Cary.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling

you to unwittingly demonstrate how you have both cognitive deficits
and defects.

Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

Dave Oldridge

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Aug 15, 2007, 1:41:32 PM8/15/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187120670.9...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

So you would rebuke Satan by taking him to your bosom and using the
Lord's name in vain?
>
>> Now. You're frightening.

Yes, actually you ARE frightening.


>
> "Fear not those who can kill the body and do nothing more. Fear HIM
> Who can destroy the soul." -- LORD Jesus Christ.

Fortunately we Christians fear neither you nor any of Satan's minions.
That spirit you're in, son....it ain't holy.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 15, 2007, 1:54:05 PM8/15/07
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No.

Your false witness is forgiven by me.

This simply shows that you are among the lost:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp

The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...

... we are simply forgiven by GOD:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/

May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Pastor Frank

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Aug 15, 2007, 12:33:30 PM8/15/07
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"Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote in message
news:Xns998BA3484...@194.177.96.26...
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
> news:1186995093.5...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com to
> sci.med.cardiology:
>>
>> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
>> 19:26)
>
> There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> infinite
> number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited to, all
> of the intermediate energy states of charged particles. Therefore there is
> no God.
> David Silverman C.B.E.
> aa #2208
>
You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow all
things to be "possible". Why?

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 15, 2007, 2:00:44 PM8/15/07
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Andrew B. "My posts have not been repetitive" Chung wrote:


{...}

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 15, 2007, 2:54:47 PM8/15/07
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In article "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> writes:
>
> "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote in message
> news:Xns998BA348494F2mxyzptlkÅš.177.96.26...

> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
> > news:1186995093.5...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com to
> > sci.med.cardiology:
> >>
> >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
> >> 19:26)
> >
> > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> > infinite
> > number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited to, all
> > of the intermediate energy states of charged particles. Therefore there is
> > no God.
> > David Silverman C.B.E.
> > aa #2208
> >
> You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow all
> things to be "possible". Why?


Well, lessee here... is it "possible" that Satan created God?


-- cary


tr...@is-better.com

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Aug 15, 2007, 3:40:10 PM8/15/07
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Our atlanta friend first offered an opinion:

> > Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The Origin of
> > Species, predicted new species of greater complexity.
>
> No, he didn't.

"It logically follows explaining the event of zero species to multiple
species as implied in the name of the theory "The Origin of Species"
that there is a prediction of new species with greater complexity in the
future."

Taking this logically flawed side step does not save you, darwin did not
say that evolution was a process of ever more complex species. By logic
you confess this now with the above. We accept your confession.

Having over time more species is not in any way to have complex species
and nothing in evolution requires it. Single cell or even bacteria or
archia or virus like life forms can and do exist in thousands of species
and varieties and nothing in evolution says that anything more complex
need have occured.

You did not read darwin's book and side stepping your first mistake by
inventing a failed logic helps you not in the least. It does however
confirm a simple truth.

God bless.

Velvet Elvis

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Aug 15, 2007, 5:42:23 PM8/15/07
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:09:46 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >

>> > > >>> > Moreover, Darwin's theory of evolution as posited in his book, The

>diagnostic tell.
>
>In Jesus' name, I rebuke you, satan.

<snip>
Your name is revered by irony meter manufacturers the world over.


--
-------------------------
Nothing fails like prayer

Cary Kittrell

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In article <aps6c3drvsunvv64b...@4ax.com> Velvet Elvis <now...@noplace.org> writes:
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Think certain kickbacks may be inovolved?


-- cary

Velvet Elvis

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Aug 15, 2007, 9:21:17 PM8/15/07
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I understand he's in negotiations for an Andrew Chung Autograph model.
It has 666 integrated circuits.

----------------------------------
If you want a country run by religion, move to Iran

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 15, 2007, 9:43:22 PM8/15/07
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convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
> > >> 19:26)
> > >
> > > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> > > infinite
> > > number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited to, all
> > > of the intermediate energy states of charged particles. Therefore there is
> > > no God.
> > > David Silverman C.B.E.
> > > aa #2208
> > >
> > You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow all
> > things to be "possible". Why?
>
> Well, lessee here... is it "possible" that Satan created God?

If you were an innocent person, your question would have been "did
satan create GOD?"

Both questions are otherwise equivalent with the same answer.

Truthfully, the answer to both questions is "No. GOD created archangel
Lucifer, who became satan after unwisely blaspheming against the Holy
Spirit."

Your asking the former question simply shows that the Holy Spirit is
absolutely right to both convict and stricken you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 15, 2007, 10:07:49 PM8/15/07
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In article <1187228602.1...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
> > > >> 19:26)
> > > >
> > > > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> > > > infinite
> > > > number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited to, all
> > > > of the intermediate energy states of charged particles. Therefore there is
> > > > no God.
> > > > David Silverman C.B.E.
> > > > aa #2208
> > > >
> > > You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow all
> > > things to be "possible". Why?
> >
> > Well, lessee here... is it "possible" that Satan created God?
>
> If you were an innocent person, your question would have been "did
> satan create GOD?"

Oh, not if my intent were to see if Pastor Frank would "deliberately exclude

models and scenarios which would allow all things to be `possible'".

> Both questions are otherwise equivalent with the same answer.


>
> Truthfully, the answer to both questions is "No. GOD created archangel
> Lucifer, who became satan after unwisely blaspheming against the Holy
> Spirit."

Truthfully, we once again see Andrew, on finding actual Scripture to be
inadequate for his purposes, waxing creative.

Mind that BATF doesn't find out how much homebrew theology you commit
each year.

-- cary

Cary Kittrell

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And the next generation of Fuzzy Logic, sometimes called "None" for short.


-- cary


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 15, 2007, 10:33:33 PM8/15/07
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convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
> > > > >> 19:26)
> > > > >
> > > > > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> > > > > infinite
> > > > > number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited to, all
> > > > > of the intermediate energy states of charged particles. Therefore there is
> > > > > no God.
> > > > > David Silverman C.B.E.
> > > > > aa #2208
> > > > >
> > > > You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow all
> > > > things to be "possible". Why?
> > >
> > > Well, lessee here... is it "possible" that Satan created God?
> >
> > If you were an innocent person, your question would have been "did
> > satan create GOD?"
>
> Oh, not if my intent were to see if Pastor Frank would "deliberately exclude
> models and scenarios which would allow all things to be `possible'".

Such intent to trap would not be innocent.

> > Both questions are otherwise equivalent with the same answer.
> >
> > Truthfully, the answer to both questions is "No. GOD created archangel
> > Lucifer, who became satan after unwisely blaspheming against the Holy
> > Spirit."
>
> Truthfully, we once again see Andrew, on finding actual Scripture to be
> inadequate for his purposes, waxing creative.

The creativity resides in GOD's written Word...

"And there was war in heaven. Michael and HIS angels fought against
the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not
strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon
was hurled down-- that ancient serpent called the devil or satan, who
leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his
angels with him." (Revelation 12:7-9)

Amen.

"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but
the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." -- LORD Jesus
Christ (Matthew 12:31)

Amen.

> Mind that BATF doesn't find out how much homebrew theology you commit
> each year.

It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything I say, do, and write.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungry... be blessed:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 15, 2007, 11:22:11 PM8/15/07
to
convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/fd40eaa743dd4e40?
>
> {...}

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS rendering
you speechless :-)

Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Denis Loubet

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Aug 16, 2007, 1:09:56 AM8/16/07
to

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:1187228602.1...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
>> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
>> > >> 19:26)
>> > >

Not so. The Satan-character has absolute power over the god-character. All
the Satan-character has to do to completely destroy the god-character's
plans is to simply do nothing. If the Satan-character sits on his thumbs,
then there's no antichrist, and with no antichrist there's no armageddon,
and the god-character's plans are screwed.


--
Denis Loubet
dlo...@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com


Sanity's Little Helper

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Aug 16, 2007, 3:42:50 AM8/16/07
to
On Aug 15, 5:33 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote in
> messagenews:Xns998BA3484...@194.177.96.26...> "Andrew B.
> Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
> >news:1186995093.5...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.comto
> > sci.med.cardiology:

>
> >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >> (Matthew 19:26)
>
> > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> > infinite
> > number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited
> > to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged particles.
> > Therefore there is no God.
> > David Silverman C.B.E.
> > aa #2208
>
> You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow
> all
> things to be "possible". Why?
>

Because if all things are possible, then nothing is impossible, and I'm
a scientist, and science is predicated on the limitations on reality
imposed by the fact that there is a distinction between what is, and
what is not possible.

Religion can only be sustained by rejecting science per sé. Deal with
it.

--

David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208

"Fuck! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung

Michael Sand

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Aug 16, 2007, 4:38:54 AM8/16/07
to
Hi Andrew!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

>friend Jim Chinnis wrote:

To begin with, that's a story from 2002, already discussed to its full
extent.

And where do you see the imperative connection between the tragic
death of that young lady and her diet? IMHO there's no prove at all.
AFAICS there was no electrocardiography of that girl, so why shouldn't
it have been a hereditary Long QT syndrome or some other primary
electrophysiologic aberration? I don't have to tell you, that the LQTS
is anything but a rare disease with an estimated prevalence of 1 in
10000 individuals. It's thought to cause about 4000 deaths in the
United States each year, so a mere coincidence with a dietary measure
is anything but impossible. Or do you think the postmortal laboratory
parameters, which may be additionally influenced by infusions in the
course of the attempt of resuscitation, are qualified to supply any
relevant information? I don't.

In this casuistry the helpless attempts to explain the cause present a
mostly unrelated potpourri of more or less proven assertions leading
from gout via fatty acid induced arrhythmia in predamaged myocardium
and deaths caused by myocardial atrophy and myocarditis, all of which
weren't ascertainable in the course of the authopsy, up to a study
about liquid protein diet, which doesn't apply as well. Such a
strategy may be efficient in influencing the inclined reader, but in
principle is nothing but absolutely unscientific propaganda.

Mike

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:01:27 AM8/16/07
to
convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
> >> > >> 19:26)

Amen.

> Not so.

The Holy Spirit is GOD.

This simply shows HE is absolutely right to convict you:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:14:18 AM8/16/07
to
convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> > >> (Matthew 19:26)
> >
> > > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> > > infinite
> > > number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited
> > > to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged particles.
> > > Therefore there is no God.
> > > David Silverman C.B.E.
> > > aa #2208
> >
> > You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow
> > all
> > things to be "possible". Why?
> >
>
> Because if all things are possible, then nothing is impossible

With GOD, nothing is impossible :-)

> , and I'm a scientist, and science is predicated on the limitations on reality
> imposed by the fact that there is a distinction between what is, and
> what is not possible.

Incorrect.

Science is the search for the truth no matter how impossible the truth
may seem to be.

> Religion can only be sustained by rejecting science per sé.

Inherently contradictory because science is a religion for you and
other atheists.

> Deal with it.

It is actually your problem to deal with :-)

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:40:46 AM8/16/07
to
neighbor Michael Sand wrote:
> Hi Andrew!
> > Source:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/28ycon

>
> To begin with, that's a story from 2002, already discussed to its full
> extent.

There is no statute of limitations on homicide.

> And where do you see the imperative connection between the tragic
> death of that young lady and her diet?

The connection should be obvious to the most casual observer.

> IMHO there's no prove at all.

There is no such thing as proof in science.

> AFAICS there was no electrocardiography of that girl, so why shouldn't
> it have been a hereditary Long QT syndrome or some other primary
> electrophysiologic aberration?

An EKG was reportedly done during resuscitation efforts and on family
members.

> I don't have to tell you, that the LQTS
> is anything but a rare disease with an estimated prevalence of 1 in
> 10000 individuals.

Sudden cardiac death from LQTS in an otherwise healthy 16 year old
girl is rare.

> It's thought to cause about 4000 deaths in the
> United States each year, so a mere coincidence with a dietary measure
> is anything but impossible. Or do you think the postmortal laboratory
> parameters, which may be additionally influenced by infusions in the
> course of the attempt of resuscitation, are qualified to supply any
> relevant information? I don't.
>
> In this casuistry the helpless attempts to explain the cause present a
> mostly unrelated potpourri of more or less proven assertions leading
> from gout via fatty acid induced arrhythmia in predamaged myocardium
> and deaths caused by myocardial atrophy and myocarditis, all of which
> weren't ascertainable in the course of the authopsy, up to a study
> about liquid protein diet, which doesn't apply as well. Such a
> strategy may be efficient in influencing the inclined reader, but in
> principle is nothing but absolutely unscientific propaganda.

Suggested reading:

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=11234

Sanity's Little Helper

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Aug 16, 2007, 8:40:34 AM8/16/07
to
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187258487.2...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com to
sci.med.cardiology:

> convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> >> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>> >> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>> >> > >> (Matthew 19:26)
>
> Amen.
>

Good to see you're still an atheist, Andy,it's been 5 days now.

BTW, where's that thesis?

--

Sanity's Little Helper

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Aug 16, 2007, 8:56:54 AM8/16/07
to
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187259258.9...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com to
sci.med.cardiology:

> convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
>> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>> > >> (Matthew 19:26)
>> >
>> > > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are
>> > > an infinite
>> > > number of things that are not possible, including, but not
>> > > limited to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged
>> > > particles. Therefore there is no God.
>> > > David Silverman C.B.E.
>> > > aa #2208
>> >
>> > You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow
>> > all
>> > things to be "possible". Why?
>> >
>>
>> Because if all things are possible, then nothing is impossible
>
> With GOD, nothing is impossible :-)
>

You misspelled "would be".

Intermediate states between quanta *are* impossible: You lose, so does
God.

>> , and I'm a scientist, and science is predicated on the limitations
>> on re
> ality
>> imposed by the fact that there is a distinction between what is, and
>> what is not possible.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> Science is the search for the truth no matter how impossible the truth
> may seem to be.
>

Science is not a search for truth in the dark. The truth it seeks is
bound by what is possible. This is the critical framework that tests all
scientific findings and eliminates false conclusions, such as "the
supernatural", which it considers false as it is not falsifiable, and is
also blatant special pleading.

>> Religion can only be sustained by rejecting science per sé.
>
> Inherently contradictory because science is a religion for you and
> other atheists.
>

Science is a framework of intellectual discipline. It is also inherently
collaborative, which would explain why you can't cope with it.

>> Deal with it.
>
> It is actually your problem to deal with :-)
>

Nope!


Where's that thesis?

--

David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208

"I found another non-sequitur down the back of the sofa. Sorry it's a bit
mouldy" - Andrew B Chung

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 9:03:38 AM8/16/07
to
convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper wrote):

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >> >> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >> >> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "satan's Little Helper"

> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >> >> > >> (Matthew 19:26)
> >
> > Amen.
>
> Good to see you're still an atheist, Andy,it's been 5 days now.

It seems you have been suffering from visual hallucinations for 5 days
now:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3c92ec39be376a5c?

> BTW, where's that thesis?

The 200+ page dissertation resides in the library at Emory University.

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 16, 2007, 12:11:45 PM8/16/07
to
In article <1187234531.7...@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/fd40eaa743dd4e40?
> >
> > {...}
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS

"My posts have not been repetitious" -- A.B. Chung, 2007


-- cary


Cary Kittrell

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Aug 16, 2007, 12:16:57 PM8/16/07
to

"Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> writes:
>
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
> news:1187228602.1...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
> >> > >> 19:26)
> >> > >
>
> Not so. The Satan-character has absolute power over the god-character. All
> the Satan-character has to do to completely destroy the god-character's
> plans is to simply do nothing. If the Satan-character sits on his thumbs,
> then there's no antichrist, and with no antichrist there's no armageddon,
> and the god-character's plans are screwed.

Sort of like "What would God have done if Judas had
thought `Naw, sorry, that'd just be wrong'"?


-- cary

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 16, 2007, 12:10:30 PM8/16/07
to
In article <1187231613....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
> > > > > >> 19:26)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
> > > > > > infinite
> > > > > > number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited to, all
> > > > > > of the intermediate energy states of charged particles. Therefore there is
> > > > > > no God.
> > > > > > David Silverman C.B.E.
> > > > > > aa #2208
> > > > > >
> > > > > You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow all
> > > > > things to be "possible". Why?
> > > >
> > > > Well, lessee here... is it "possible" that Satan created God?
> > >
> > > If you were an innocent person, your question would have been "did
> > > satan create GOD?"
> >
> > Oh, not if my intent were to see if Pastor Frank would "deliberately exclude
> > models and scenarios which would allow all things to be `possible'".
>
> Such intent to trap would not be innocent.

"Trap"? Why do you have so little respect for Pastor Frank that
you don't believe he means just what he says, and understands
what he means?

>
> > > Both questions are otherwise equivalent with the same answer.
> > >
> > > Truthfully, the answer to both questions is "No. GOD created archangel
> > > Lucifer, who became satan after unwisely blaspheming against the Holy
> > > Spirit."
> >
> > Truthfully, we once again see Andrew, on finding actual Scripture to be
> > inadequate for his purposes, waxing creative.
>
> The creativity resides in GOD's written Word...
>
> "And there was war in heaven. Michael and HIS angels fought against
> the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not
> strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon
> was hurled down-- that ancient serpent called the devil or satan, who
> leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his
> angels with him." (Revelation 12:7-9)


Not a word about Lucifer becoming Satan "after

unwisely blaspheming against the Holy Spirit".

Bottom line (that's two words, by the way):
you remain untruthful.


-- cary

Sanity's Little Helper

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Aug 16, 2007, 12:25:59 PM8/16/07
to
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187269418.5...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com to
alt.support.anxiety-panic:

> convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper wrote):
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> >> >> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>> >> >> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "satan's Little Helper"
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>> >> >> > >> (Matthew 19:26)
>> >
>> > Amen.
>>
>> Good to see you're still an atheist, Andy,it's been 5 days now.
>
> It seems you have been suffering from visual hallucinations for 5 days
> now:
>

Nope. You claimed that "With God all things are possible", which, given
that certain things are demonstrably impossible, is an admission that he
doesn't exist.


> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3c92ec39be376a5c?
>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e1b15397f21680ca

>> BTW, where's that thesis?
>
> The 200+ page dissertation resides in the library at Emory University.
>

Now answer the rest of the question I asked you. If it was your original
work, you should be able to remember something about it.

Uncle Vic

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Aug 16, 2007, 3:17:26 PM8/16/07
to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>> convicted neighbor David Silverman "Sanity's Little Helper" wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>>>>> (Matthew 19:26)
>>>> There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are an
>>>> infinite
>>>> number of things that are not possible, including, but not limited
>>>> to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged particles.
>>>> Therefore there is no God.
>>>> David Silverman C.B.E.
>>>> aa #2208
>>> You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow
>>> all
>>> things to be "possible". Why?
>>>
>> Because if all things are possible, then nothing is impossible
>
> With GOD, nothing is impossible :-)

Except for answering the prayers of amputees. Why doesn't "god" answer
the prayers of amputees? After all, he puts cancer patients into
remission, right?

I know the answer, Earthquack. It's because cancer patients go into
remission naturally, without any magical help from "god". But since
limbs don't ever grow back, either "god" hates amputees, or is powerless
to cure anyone, or most likely, he doesn't exist at all.


--
Your devoted convict,
Uncle Vic
AA #2011

Velvet Elvis

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Aug 16, 2007, 3:22:16 PM8/16/07
to
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:03:38 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<hear...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper wrote):
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Denis Loubet wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> >> >> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>> >> >> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "satan's Little Helper"
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>> >> >> > >> (Matthew 19:26)
>> >
>> > Amen.
>>
>> Good to see you're still an atheist, Andy,it's been 5 days now.
>
>It seems you have been suffering from visual hallucinations for 5 days
>now:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3c92ec39be376a5c?
>
>> BTW, where's that thesis?
>
>The 200+ page dissertation resides in the library at Emory University.

.... where it's serving admirably as a doorstop.

--
I got kicked out of Indigo for moving all
the bibles to the "Fiction" section

Don Kirkman

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Aug 16, 2007, 4:41:40 PM8/16/07
to
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <1187269418.5...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

>convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper wrote):
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> BTW, where's that thesis?

>The 200+ page dissertation resides in the library at Emory University.

And it's very enlightening. Compare Dr. Chung's writing style and
content then [1993] with what he's doing these days; it's actually very
sad to see the difference because the motto is right: a mind is a
terrible thing to waste.

[Begin]
Transcription factors that recognize the OXBOX/REBOX sequence motifs
have been implicated in the coordinate regulation of the expression of
mitochondrial respiration genes in muscle cells (Chung et al, 1992). The
OXBOX/REBOX cis elements were first identified in the promoters of the
muscle adenine nucleotide translocator (ANT1) and the F$\sb1$ ATP
synthase $\beta$ subunit (ATPsyn$\beta)$ genes (Li et al, 1989;
Neckelmann et al, 1990). Identifying other genes that have putative
OXBOX/REBOX promoter elements led to the hypothesis that the OXBOX/REBOX
trans factors may globally regulate many aspects of mitochondrial
function. Purifying proteins with specific OXBOX/REBOX binding affinity
revealed that as many as six different polypeptides may be involved.
Cloning candidate OXBOX/REBOX transcription factor genes provided probes
that upon Northern RNA analysis suggested higher levels of transcripts
in muscle for the putative OXBOX binding factor (RBF2) and the
ubiquitous presence of transcripts for the putative REBOX binding factor
(RBF3). The deduced RBF3 polypeptide has domain homologies consistent
with its proposed role as a redox-sensitive transcriptional activator.
[End]
http://www.library.emory.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/5dBsrOdFnT/GENERAL/236800335/9

FWIW, my dissertation was about the same length but was only for a
Master's degree. Length doesn't always matter.
--
Don Kirkman

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 5:04:54 PM8/16/07
to
convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper) wrote:
> >> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor David Silverman "satan's Little Helper" wrote:
> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >> > >> (Matthew 19:26)
> >> >
> >> > > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are
> >> > > an infinite
> >> > > number of things that are not possible, including, but not
> >> > > limited to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged
> >> > > particles. Therefore there is no God.
> >> >
> >> > You deliberately exclude models and scenarios which would allow
> >> > all
> >> > things to be "possible". Why?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Because if all things are possible, then nothing **is** impossible

**emphasis** added.

> > With GOD, nothing is impossible :-)
>
> You misspelled "would be".

The misspelling would be yours.

See **emphasis** above.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly act the fool that you clearly are.

> Intermediate states between quanta *are* impossible: You lose, so does
> God.

Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

This simply shows that you remain lost:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp

> >> , and I'm a scientist, and science is predicated on the limitations
> >> on re
> > ality
> >> imposed by the fact that there is a distinction between what is, and
> >> what is not possible.
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > Science is the search for the truth no matter how impossible the truth
> > may seem to be.
>
> Science is not a search for truth in the dark.

It remains simply the search for the truth.

> The truth it seeks is
> bound by what is possible.

It is the wise scientist who knows to avoid having preconcieved
notions about the truth. Such biases have led many unwise scientists
to the deadend of falsehood.

> This is the critical framework that tests all
> scientific findings and eliminates false conclusions, such as "the
> supernatural", which it considers false as it is not falsifiable, and is
> also blatant special pleading.

To create false frameworks to bind the truth ensures that only the
scientist is trapped by them.

> >> Religion can only be sustained by rejecting science per sé.
> >
> > Inherently contradictory because science is a religion for you and
> > other atheists.
>
> Science is a framework of intellectual discipline.

This scientist who believes that science is a framework of
intellectual discipline limits himself/herself to thinking only about
things that can fit in a box.

The truth does not fit in a box.

> It is also inherently
> collaborative, which would explain why you can't cope with it.

Actually, science is not inherently collaborative.

The search for the truth is inherently a personal journey for the wise
scientist.

> >> Deal with it.
> >
> > It is actually your problem to deal with :-)
>
> Nope!

Yes :-)

> Where's that thesis?

The 200+ page dissertation about a novel redox-sensing transcription
factor that binds cis promoter control elements found in all living
cells remains within the library at Emory University.

Archie Leach

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"My posts are not repetitive."--Andrew Ben-Hua Chung, pathological
liar.

>> Intermediate states between quanta *are* impossible: You lose, so does
>> God.
>
>Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

"My posts are not repetitive."--Andrew Ben-Hua Chung, pathological
liar.

>This simply shows that you remain lost:

"My posts are not repetitive."--Andrew Ben-Hua Chung, pathological
liar.

>http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp

"My posts are not repetitive."--Andrew Ben-Hua Chung, pathological
liar.

[...]

>Be hungry... be healthy... be happy... be blessed:

"My posts are not repetitive."--Andrew Ben-Hua Chung, pathological
liar.

>http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

"My posts are not repetitive."--Andrew Ben-Hua Chung, pathological
liar.

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 16, 2007, 5:18:50 PM8/16/07
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> > >> Religion can only be sustained by rejecting science per s=E9.

> > >
> > > Inherently contradictory because science is a religion for you and
> > > other atheists.
> >
> > Science is a framework of intellectual discipline.
>
> This scientist who believes that science is a framework of
> intellectual discipline limits himself/herself to thinking only about
> things that can fit in a box.
>
> The truth does not fit in a box.
>
> > It is also inherently
> > collaborative, which would explain why you can't cope with it.
>
> Actually, science is not inherently collaborative.
>
> The search for the truth is inherently a personal journey for the wise
> scientist.
>
> > >> Deal with it.
> > >
> > > It is actually your problem to deal with :-)
> >
> > Nope!
>
> Yes :-)
>
> > Where's that thesis?
>
> The 200+ page dissertation about a novel redox-sensing transcription
> factor that binds cis promoter control elements found in all living
> cells remains within the library at Emory University.

Would that be the factor coded for in the sequences of which you said
"I find this genetic sequence all the way down the evolutionary ladder,"


-- cary

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges

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Aug 16, 2007, 5:33:11 PM8/16/07
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> >> >> > >> "...with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >> >> > >> (Matthew 19:26)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > There are things that clearly are impossible. Indeed, there are
> >> >> > > an infinite
> >> >> > > number of things that are not possible, including, but not
> >> >> > > limited to, all of the intermediate energy states of charged
> >> >> > > particles. Therefore there is no God.

the bible details contracts between god and humans
wherein god promises to do some things and not others
so the idea that god is under restrictions of his own choosing
does not come as a shock or surprise to anybody but you

> >Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> >you to unwittingly act the fool that you clearly are.
>
> "My posts are not repetitive."--Andrew Ben-Hua Chung, pathological
> liar.

and andy remains a blasphemer

those the gods would destroy they first drive insane

arf meow arf - nsa fodder - not just jenine
al qaeda terrorism nuclear bomb iran taliban big brother
if you meet buddha on the usenet killfile him

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 5:33:59 PM8/16/07
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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper wrote):
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> BTW, where's that thesis?
>
> >The 200+ page dissertation resides in the library at Emory University.
>
> And it's very enlightening. Compare Dr. Chung's writing style and
> content then [1993] with what he's doing these days;

It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything I say, do, and write now... as it was my choice to receive
HIS guidance then.

> it's actually very
> sad to see the difference because the motto is right: a mind is a
> terrible thing to waste.

The difference comes not from my mind but from HIS will :-)

> [Begin]
> Transcription factors that recognize the OXBOX/REBOX sequence motifs
> have been implicated in the coordinate regulation of the expression of
> mitochondrial respiration genes in muscle cells (Chung et al, 1992). The
> OXBOX/REBOX cis elements were first identified in the promoters of the
> muscle adenine nucleotide translocator (ANT1) and the F$\sb1$ ATP
> synthase $\beta$ subunit (ATPsyn$\beta)$ genes (Li et al, 1989;
> Neckelmann et al, 1990). Identifying other genes that have putative
> OXBOX/REBOX promoter elements led to the hypothesis that the OXBOX/REBOX
> trans factors may globally regulate many aspects of mitochondrial
> function. Purifying proteins with specific OXBOX/REBOX binding affinity
> revealed that as many as six different polypeptides may be involved.
> Cloning candidate OXBOX/REBOX transcription factor genes provided probes
> that upon Northern RNA analysis suggested higher levels of transcripts
> in muscle for the putative OXBOX binding factor (RBF2) and the
> ubiquitous presence of transcripts for the putative REBOX binding factor
> (RBF3). The deduced RBF3 polypeptide has domain homologies consistent
> with its proposed role as a redox-sensitive transcriptional activator.
> [End]
> http://www.library.emory.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/5dBsrOdFnT/GENERAL/236800335/9
>
> FWIW, my dissertation was about the same length but was only for a
> Master's degree.

Yours would be a master's thesis and not a PhD dissertation.

> Length doesn't always matter.

For a PhD dissertation, it is content that matters more than length.

It is because of this background of awesome GOD-given knowledge about
the regulation of mitochondrial respiration genes in our cells that
the 2PD-OMER Approach was conceived in the mind of this scientist.

Therefore, all the praise and glory for the 2PD-OMER Approach belongs
to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

Dave Oldridge

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Aug 16, 2007, 5:46:17 PM8/16/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:1187200445.5...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> neighbor Dave Oldridge wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> > convicted neighbor parsifa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:

>> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >> > > > convicted friend Guy (g...@consolidated.net) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > > > >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >

>> >> > be a diagnostic tell.


>> >> >
>> >> > In Jesus' name, I rebuke you, satan.
>> >>

>> >> Get help.
>> >
>> > Jesus is all the help I need to rebuke satan.
>>
>> So you would rebuke Satan by taking him to your bosom and using the
>> Lord's name in vain?
>
> No.

I don't accept that answer, since it is patently false.
>
> Your false witness is forgiven by me.

YOUR false witness is forgiven by me. But not by Almighty God until you
repent it.

> This simply shows that you are among the lost:

No, it shows that YOU are among those influenced by evil spirits.

>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
>
> The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
> special...
>
> ... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
>
> http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
>
> May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
> your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"

But that's not what you ask. You ask me to proclaim that the father of
lies or some evil spirit that YOU call "Holy" is Lord. That's not going
to happen. Jesus IS Lord and He said to NOT do what I see you doing.

Good luck explaining that to HIM. I'm not the one you have to square
things with.


--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 5:48:35 PM8/16/07
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No. Cis promoter elements do not code for trans DNA-binding factors.

Invariant genetic sequences such as the ones that the Holy Spirit led
me to characterize ultimately break the rungs of evolutionary ladders
from the top down to the bottom, thereby mortally wounding Darwin's
theory of evolution.

Cary Kittrell

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Sort of puts one in mind of Linus Pauling and vitamin C, does it
not?

Sadly enough.

>
> Therefore, all the praise and glory for the 2PD-OMER Approach belongs
> to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

Speaking of which, when will that study of said "Approach" -- the
study involving "more than 625,550" subjects -- be available in
a peer-reviewed journal for all to see?


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 5:58:53 PM8/16/07
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convicted neighbor Dave Oldridge wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

"Let your yes be yes and your no be no." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen.

> > Your false witness is forgiven by me.
>
> YOUR false witness is forgiven by me.

It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

> But not by Almighty God until you
> repent it.

It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.

> > This simply shows that you are among the lost:
>

> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp


>
> No, it shows that YOU are among those influenced by evil spirits.

It saddens me to read that you have unwisely elected to blaspheme
against the Holy Spirit, thereby earning eternal condemnation.

"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but
the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." -- LORD Jesus
Christ (Matthew 12:31)

Amen.

In the awesome power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Servant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:08:41 PM8/16/07
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No.

> Sadly enough.

Helping folks lose their bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue) to
cure their insulin resistance (IR/MetS) and possibly even their type-2
diabetes is not sad:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

> >
> > Therefore, all the praise and glory for the 2PD-OMER Approach belongs
> > to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>
> Speaking of which

You misspelled "Whom"

> , when will that study of said "Approach" -- the
> study involving "more than 625,550" subjects -- be available in
> a peer-reviewed journal for all to see?

GOD's will be done and not my will.

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:08:43 PM8/16/07
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Something which, oddly enough, you do not appear to have mentioned
to the interviewer at the time.


Only enough, the studies I read demonstrate that the most
fundamental cellular processes are highly conserved, as evolution would
predict.


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:24:23 PM8/16/07
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The lethal use of a sword with purpose and precision is best done in
stealth.

> Only enough, the studies I read demonstrate that the most
> fundamental cellular processes are highly conserved, as evolution would
> predict.

Examples of absolute genetic invariance goes way beyond the
theoretical forces of natural selection of Darwin's stillborn theory
of evolution and necessitates the existence of GOD the Creator.

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:20:05 PM8/16/07
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Oh, I suspect that there will be no problem with that latter part.
None at all.


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:36:24 PM8/16/07
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Those who have HIS wisdom have no problems.

> None at all.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling

you to unwittingly testify to the utility of having HIS wisdom :-)

tr...@is-better.com

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Aug 16, 2007, 6:38:33 PM8/16/07
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Our atlanta friend struggling to recall stumbles:

"> It is because of this background of awesome GOD-given knowledge about
> the regulation of mitochondrial respiration genes in our cells that
> the 2PD-OMER Approach was conceived in the mind of this scientist."

In past you had an entirely different account for the two pound diet,aka
2 pd etc. invention. So which is it?

> , when will that study of said "Approach" -- the
> study involving "more than 625,550" subjects -- be available in
> a peer-reviewed journal for all to see?

"GOD's will be done and not my will."

Only you can present it for publication, God can not be your excuse in
this case. Because it is based on wholly, pun intended, accounts from
scripture any peer review journal would have to be a theological one.
Sadly one look at the mistaken invention of what measure an omer was
would get it tossed at first encounter by the reviewers..

God bless.

tr...@is-best.com

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Aug 16, 2007, 7:03:08 PM8/16/07
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Our friend from atlanta was brought to task:

> Would that be the factor coded for in the sequences of which you said
> "I find this genetic sequence all the way down the evolutionary
ladder,"

"No. Cis promoter elements do not code for trans DNA-binding factors."

Is this a guess or can you demonstrate it by having looked at the range
of other species? In science we do not prove, we fail to disprove. For
your statement to be valid one would have to have excluded it for at a
minimun scores of other species.

"Invariant genetic sequences such as the ones that the Holy Spirit led
me to characterize ultimately break the rungs of evolutionary ladders
from the top down to the bottom, thereby mortally wounding Darwin's
theory of evolution." "

Only in your dreams is this bald unsupported assertion even worth a
second look. Breaks of the kind you mean are equally a reflection of
evolution.

One of your great weaknesses is that you assume there are not others on
the newsgroups who have an equal or better grasp of the science
involved. The scripture speaks of a "vanity of mind" that would seem to
apply.

In fact, any biology 101 student can provide the data and logic to toss
your assertion, even an ap biology class in high school.

Given the great range of religious views, and absense of same, among
scientists doing research in this area from all parts of the world, are
you claiming that the Holy Spirit aids them equally as you regardless of
their religion?

God bless.

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