Is there a List of All Novels somewhere?

[Graham Cooper]

Funny thing is, I HAD this List of All Novels but Virgil came along
and changed the first word in the first novel to the very next word in
the dictionary, then he changed the 2nd word in the 2nd novel to the
very next word in the dictionary, and so on!

That's how he comes up with his maths proofs in fact, all unique!

NOVEL 1 = In the beginning, the Universe was...
NOVEL 2 = They were the best of times, they...
NOVEL 3 = Friends, Romans, Countrymen...
NOVEL 4 = The Rebel Alliance raced across...
...

The Diagonal Novel = In were countrymen raced...

Virgil came up with an Uncounted_Novel...

Over where Cityfolk slept...

In ZFC this proves 2^ALEPH_NULL pieces of writing!

Now English Literature is a 10 billion year degree, all unwritten
novels included!

Well a proofs a proof!

AD[r] =/= LIST[r,r]

-> 2x2x2x2... > 1+1+1+1+...

Sheer Voodoo! tuple at a time reasoning in set at a time logic.

Herc
--
LEVEL oo
The Unbeliever
"You call 0.01010.. a missing infinite sequence?"

0.000[0]0 ..
0.[1]1111 ..
0.0101[1] ..
0.1[0]111 ..
0.11[1]11 ..
..

[Pfs...@aol.com]

On Tue, 29 May 2012 03:06:08 -0700 (PDT), Graham Cooper
<graham...@gmail.com> wrote:

You're confusing "very large number" and "infinite"!! There is
a difference !!!!

[Aielyn]

Actually, since "The Diagonal Novel" is constructed by taking the diagonal elements, and not the *opposite* of the diagonal elements, there's no reason why it wouldn't be on the list.

But that's just the start of your failure to understand. There would need to be an infinite number of novels to begin with. More than that, the infinite number of novels would have to be of infinite length. If there's either a finite number of novels or they are of finite length, then the diagonal will terminate at some point.

More than that, though, the list of all possible strings of an infinite number of words is a superset of the list of all novels, as novels are restricted by factors such as syntax and plot. As the "Diagonal novel" is not restricted by those factors, it does not meet the definition of "Novel".

On the other hand, if you were to try to create a list of all possible infinite-length strings of words, *that* would be uncountably infinite (2^aleph_0).

But if you were to apply the restrictions that make said infinite-length string of words into a "neverending story", it is possible that such a list of neverending stories would be countably infinite, or even finite.

This is just like how the rational numbers, which are countable but infinite, can be listed according to the standard order, and the diagonal doesn't prove it uncountable - why? Because the cantor diagonal isn't a rational number - it's irrational, and thus not missing from the list of *rational* numbers.

[Dimitry Yourdanov]

worng newsgrope, you fukcing imbeciael.


"Graham Cooper" wrote in message
news:7ecdbca8-48f0-4094...@pr7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Funny thing is, I am a Google-posting fuckwit. With a gmail address!

[Graham Cooper]

On May 30, 10:32 am, "Dimitry Yourdanov"

<ceo@nanae_is_full_of_socks.net> wrote:
> worng newsgrope, you fukcing imbeciael.
>
>

You spelt "you" right.

Herc

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MATHEMATICS AXIOM - The Examination of Provable Theories
E(Y) Y={x|f(x)} <-> !PROOF( !E(Y) Y={x|f(x)} )

[Jesse F. Hughes]

Graham Cooper <graham...@gmail.com> writes:

> Funny thing is, I HAD this List of All Novels but Virgil came along
> and changed the first word in the first novel to the very next word in
> the dictionary, then he changed the 2nd word in the 2nd novel to the
> very next word in the dictionary, and so on!
>
> That's how he comes up with his maths proofs in fact, all unique!
>
> NOVEL 1 = In the beginning, the Universe was...
> NOVEL 2 = They were the best of times, they...
> NOVEL 3 = Friends, Romans, Countrymen...
> NOVEL 4 = The Rebel Alliance raced across...
> ...
>
> The Diagonal Novel = In were countrymen raced...
>
> Virgil came up with an Uncounted_Novel...
>
> Over where Cityfolk slept...
>
> In ZFC this proves 2^ALEPH_NULL pieces of writing!

Are novels finite in length?

Are they bounded above by any finite value?

If novels are finite, but unbounded, then the anti-diagonal[1] thing is
not a novel, since it will not be finite.

If novels are finite and bounded, then there is a finite number of
novels, but I assume that this is not what you intend in your word
problem. (With a finite number of novels, we have to consider whether
the number of novels is greater than the maximum length in order to
figure out whether we can construct an antidiagonal.)

>
> Now English Literature is a 10 billion year degree, all unwritten
> novels included!
>
> Well a proofs a proof!
>
> AD[r] =/= LIST[r,r]
>
> -> 2x2x2x2... > 1+1+1+1+...
>
> Sheer Voodoo! tuple at a time reasoning in set at a time logic.

Sheer Voodoo, indeed! You compelled me to answer your post, despite the
fact that I know it's pointless.

Footnotes:
[1] It's a bit difficult to know what the nth word should be if the nth
novel has fewer than n words, isn't it?

--
"And that's what's wrong with Usenet. You people [...] can reply to a
post [...] and then convince yourselves that you're great. Because
you can open your mouths you think what you have is worth saying that
you have proven your value." -- James S. Harris masters self-diagnosis

[Graham Cooper]

On May 30, 11:14 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:

Each infinitude of authors, standing in line are given a
Lobachaveskian sheet of paper to write their novel, ala Escher Cows
and Birds. You can fit 10 lines in the top half of the paper, another
10 in the next 1/2 - 3/4, another 10 in the next 3/4-7/8, and so on.

Despite how many authors submit a novel, despite every poss. word
sequence for all lengths being submitted, Virgil just goes through the
stack of papers and writes something completely new!

Herc

[Jesse F. Hughes]

So, novels can have infinitely many words?

Then, yes, there are 2^|N| novels.

> Despite how many authors submit a novel, despite every poss. word
> sequence for all lengths being submitted, Virgil just goes through the
> stack of papers and writes something completely new!

As long as only countably many authors submit novels, yes, he does.

(I wonder: does the anti-diagonal count as a derived work? If so, is
Virgil violating copyright?)

--
"Georg Cantor, the mathematician, is not the cantor from the synagogue.
Cantor, the man, was a Christian and also basically a Jew, and he was
circumspect about his beliefs, which probably included faith in a
higher power." -- Ross Finlayson: Logician, theologian.

[Graham Cooper]

Haha! Obviously NOT!

> > every poss. word sequence for all lengths being submitted

The Diagonal Novel = <In were Countrymen raced...>
Virgil's Novel = <Over where Cityfolk slept...>

There is no 1st word of Virgil's copyright_violation that is ever
unique!




JESSE F. HUGHES |- 'IT'S BIGGER THAN INFINITY!'

[LudovicoVan]

"Aielyn" <gjo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e01347e5-cf03-452b...@googlegroups.com...

> This is just like how the rational numbers, which are countable but
> infinite, can be listed according to the standard order, and the diagonal
> doesn't prove it uncountable - why? Because the cantor diagonal isn't a
> rational number - it's irrational, and thus not missing from the list of
> *rational* numbers.

How do you know that, while the diagonal argument applied to rationals
provides a non-rational, the diagonal argument applied to reals does not
provide a non-real?

-LV

[Graham Cooper]

On Jun 1, 11:16 am, "LudovicoVan" <ju...@diegidio.name> wrote:
> "Aielyn" <gjo1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Say you use UTM1, UTM2, UTM3, UTM4...

and select the 1st emulated TM of each that will LIST ALL RATIONALS.

UTM1 RATIONAL LIST
0.101010..
0.111111..
...

UTM2 RATIONAL LIST
0.010101..
0.001000..
...


Then a missing irrational AD[row] is not specifically defined, use
SET_AT_A_TIME reasoning.

Similarly, the missing non-real is not specifically defined.

Herc

--
THE FOUNDATION OF NUMBERS BY CANTOR!
AD[r]=/=LIST[r,r] -> AD[r]=/=LIST[r,r]
-> 2^aleph_0 > aleph_0
-> 2x2x2x2... > 1+1+1+1...

Incomplete..Inconsistent..Uncomputable..Uncountable..
Unformalizable..Unspecifiable..NotUniversal..NotVerifiable

[James Burns]

It is a theorem of the axioms of real numbers, but not a theorem
of the axioms of rational numbers. The important difference is
that every bounded non-empty set of reals has a least bound.
This is not true of rationals.

We assign to every countably-long string of decimal digits
a,b,c,d,... of the form 0.abcd... the least upper bound of the
set { a/10, a/10 + b/100, a/10 + b/100 + c/1000, ... }.
We know this exists by the least-upper-bound axiom,
no matter which digits a,b,c,d,... are.

Apart from there not being a least-upper-bound axiom for
the rationals, we know that this is not true of them
by there being counter-examples, sets of rationals that
do not have a _rational_ least upper bound. This can
be seen from a very old theorem showing that there is no
rational square root of 2. The set { x in Q | x^2 =< 2 }
has a real, unique least upper bound, but not a rational
upper bound.

[Graham Cooper]

On Jun 1, 10:21 pm, James Burns <burns...@osu.edu> wrote:
> LudovicoVan wrote:
> > "Aielyn" <gjo1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

OK same question to JIM BURNS as JESSE J HUGHES answered!

Each of the infinitude of authors, standing in line are given a

Lobachaveskian sheet of paper to write their novel, ala Escher Cows
and Birds. You can fit 10 lines in the top half of the paper, another
10 in the next 1/2 - 3/4, another 10 in the next 3/4-7/8, and so

on...

Despite how many authors submit a novel, despite every poss. word
sequence for all lengths being submitted, Virgil just goes through
the

stack of papers and writes something completely new! ??

The Diagonal Novel = <In were Countrymen raced...>
Virgil's Novel = <Over where Cityfolk slept...>

Herc

[Jim Burns]

On 6/1/2012 6:38 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:

> OK same question to JIM BURNS as JESSE J HUGHES answered!
>
> Each of the infinitude of authors, standing in line are given a
> Lobachaveskian sheet of paper to write their novel, ala Escher Cows
> and Birds. You can fit 10 lines in the top half of the paper, another
> 10 in the next 1/2 - 3/4, another 10 in the next 3/4-7/8, and so
> on...
>
> Despite how many authors submit a novel, despite every poss. word
> sequence for all lengths being submitted, Virgil just goes through
> the
> stack of papers and writes something completely new! ??
>
> The Diagonal Novel =<In were Countrymen raced...>
> Virgil's Novel =<Over where Cityfolk slept...>

You have been over this territory enough that
you can answer this question yourself.

An endless string of decimal digits is (represents)
a real number.

Is an endless string of English words a novel? Ever?

[David Bernier]

I'm not sure. By the pigeonhole principle, dividing the text
into blocks of 5000 characters of text, some block
would be repeated infinitely many times. The same goes
for 10,000 characters, 1,000,000 characters and so on.

A million characters is a lot: the book "A milllion random
digits and 100,000 normal deviates" had more than 100 pages.

David Bernier

[Shmuel Metz]

In <jq9556$tdc$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, on 06/01/2012

at 02:16 AM, "LudovicoVan" <ju...@diegidio.name> said:

>How do you know that, while the diagonal argument applied to
>rationals provides a non-rational, the diagonal argument applied to
>reals does not provide a non-real?

Because the Reals are complete.

--
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[Graham Cooper]

But the infinite repetitions of the finite sets of blocks is as
irregular as the digits/words themselves.

Your *missing* a-diagonal is 100% PLAGIARISM

Never a single unique word... EVER..

If you CHANGE the diagonal, you CHANGE the infinite order!

Like changing a DIAPER, you get a FRESH DIAPER.

Herc

[Graham Cooper]

>
> Never a single unique word... EVER..
>

NEVER A SINGLE UNIQUE SENTENCE!

HAHA! GAME, SET and MATCH!

Herc
--
http://tinyurl.com/BLUEPRINTS-NO-GODEL-STATEMENTS
http://tinyurl.com/BLUEPRINTS-P-NP
http://tinyurl.com/BLUEPRINTS-LOGIC
http://tinyurl.com/BLUEPRINTS-HALT
http://tinyurl.com/BLUEPRINTS-GUT

[David Bernier]

The million random digit table produced by the RAND corporation,
<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Million_Random_Digits_with_100,000_Normal_Deviates
> ,

is arranged in blocks of 5 digits. As can be seen
from page 1 (out of 400) of the Table, "00822" is
a possible block of 5 digits.

With 1 million digits arranged in blocks of 5 digits,
how many blocks are there?

There are 1000000/5 = 200,000 blocks of 5 digits.
How many possible distinct blocks of 5 digits
(combinatorial theory) are there?

Answer: 10*10*10*10*10 = 100,000 .

If each combination of 5 digits is represented by a box,
there are in total 100,000 boxes.

The RAND Table has 200,000 blocks of 5 digits; if we
put write each block on a separate piece of paper, then
we get 200,000 pieces of paper. If we put each piece
of paper in its corresponding box (according to the
5 digits in the block), then with 100,000 boxes and
200,000 pieces of paper, one box contains on average
200000/100000 = 2 pieces of paper.

So one box must contain two or more pieces of paper.
Then, it follows that some block B of 5 digits appears
at least twice among the 200,000 blocks in the Table.
We don't know what B is, but we know it exists.

David Bernier

[Graham Cooper]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Million_Random_Digits_with_100,000_Nor...

>  > ,
>
> is arranged in blocks of 5 digits. As can be seen
> from page 1 (out of 400) of the Table,  "00822" is
> a possible block of 5 digits.
>
> With 1 million digits arranged in blocks of 5 digits,
> how many blocks are there?
>
> There are 1000000/5 = 200,000 blocks of 5 digits.
> How many possible distinct blocks of 5 digits
> (combinatorial theory) are there?
>
> Answer:  10*10*10*10*10 = 100,000 .
>
> If each combination of 5 digits is represented by a box,
> there are in total 100,000 boxes.
>
> The RAND Table has 200,000 blocks of 5 digits; if we
> put write each block on a separate piece of paper, then
> we get 200,000 pieces of paper.  If we put each piece
> of paper in its corresponding box (according to the
> 5 digits in the block), then with 100,000 boxes and
> 200,000 pieces of paper, one box contains on average
> 200000/100000 = 2 pieces of paper.
>
> So one box must contain two or more pieces of paper.
> Then, it follows that some block B of 5 digits appears
> at least twice among the 200,000 blocks in the Table.
> We don't know what B is, but we know it exists.
>
> David Bernier

right! So 0.0000...
contains at least one digit more than once..

the choice of 5 digit blocks is arbitrary, creates a higher BASE.

Well the optical illusion of creating a new diagonal is obviously too
strong for mortals.

OK have it your way.. Virgil came up with a new novel, despite all
possible combinations of words of all lengths already on the
Lobachaveskian paper stack.



Herc

[Aielyn]

Simple. Express the n-ary sequence describing the cantor anti-diagonal in the form sum(a_m / n^m, m=1..infinity), with 0 <= a_m < n. Now, it is trivial to show that this sum converges, and that every element within it is rational - therefore, the sum cannot contain any complex entries, and we can be confident that the resulting number is not complex.

We're assuming reals between 0 and 1. It is also trivial to show that the sum cannot be greater than 1 (and can only equal 1 if all a_m are equal to n-1), and that it must be greater than 0 (unless all a_m are zero). Therefore, the sum must be a real number between 0 and 1.

Keep in mind that the resulting real need not be computable (or even definable).

[Graham Cooper]

*******************************************************


No! ALL WRONG!

1 You pseudo-DEFINE one path of digits (Y=X)
2 based on the INDEX to the list
3 not the SET of count*able reals
4 using EXTRA INFORMATION ENTROPY than specified
5 then you CHANGE THE INDEXING OF THE LIST
6 that JUST GIVES A DIFFERENT DIAGONAL (REINDEXING)
7 but you *NAME* THAT NEW-DIAGONAL 'NOT-DIAGONAL'
8 this does NOT PRODUCE one single UNIQUE DIGIT SEQUENCE
9 as PROVEN in this THREAD
10 then you use the SET of all permutations (ALL INDEXES)
11 which does not apply to your single case method
12 and use that to SCALE your erroneous single case method
13 all the while ignoring if your method holds
14 for SET AT A TIME reasoning


**********************************************

Here is a LOWER ENTROPY COUNTABLE SET OF REALS

*less information than a LIST OF REALS*

3 (not) the SET of count*able reals

**********************************************




GIVEN a Countable Set in the form
{
R11 R12 R13 ...
R21 R22 R23 ...
R31 R32 R33 ...
...
}

If you can find a missing real from this SET then

WHAT IS MISSING?
0.000000.. 0.110000.. 0.111010.. 0.111110.. ...
0.000111.. 0.101000.. 0.000010.. 0.001100.. ...
0.111000.. 0.010010.. 0.001010.. 0.101010.. ...
0.111100.. 0.001011.. 0.000011.. 0.111111.. ...
...

6 bits precision required!

Use your formula here mate!

********

sum(a_m / n^m, m=1..infinity), with 0 <= a_m < n. Now, it is trivial
to show that this sum converges

********

What's the SUM(a_m) that is so TRIVIAL to calculate?

Herc

[David Bernier]

On 06/02/2012 10:24 AM, Jim Burns wrote:

In a fiction work of Jorge Luis Borges, there's a special book ...
I don't know if it's a novel, though ...

Wikipedia says:

"This Book of Sand has no beginning or end: its pages are infinite. Each
page is numbered, apparently uniquely but in no discernible pattern."


From:
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Sand >



[D, B] =/= h_bar

[Graham Cooper]

When he opens to a page with an illustration, the bookseller advises a
close look, since the page will never be found, or seen, again. It
proves impossible to find the first or last page.


I couldn't even find it on AMAZON.com!

Herc

[David Bernier]

Someone made a 9 minute video on youtube inspired
by the short story ... "The Book of Sand"

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4r8V0W3_nQ >

[David Bernier]

ASDE Inc. of Gatineau, Province Quebec, Canada.

This outfit needs looking into. I got a dubious/spam
cell phone call from: 1-800-672-7920; a female robot
voice informed me that it was doing a survey that would
cost me for cell-phone time (long distance?), and that if
I wanted a reimbursement, just please wait for instructions ...
So, I completed the survey (number of cell phones or somthing
in this home), and pressed "3" for info. about The
Reimbursement for my cost of cell. minutes ($). The robot
with the female voice was hopeless at explaining the
reimbursement, it was SCAM-like. The only way out
was hanging up.

(2)
Googling:
"1-800-672-7920 wireless",
one finds many wireless phone subscribers complaining
about telemarketing/survey etc. calls from
1-800-672-7920. Many consumer complaints to
a website in a little corner of webLand ...

The sorry story is described by (alleged) complainers here:
< http://www.callercomplaints.com/SearchResult.aspx?Phone=800-672-7920 >

In particular Item A001 here:
[ Exh. A001]
" Filed by BigB at 1/4/2012 1:05:24 PM;
Caller Type: Telemarketer
Phone Number Owner: ASDE
Phone Number Report: This is ASDE in Gatineau Their Head office line is
(819) 770-3651 Feel Free to use extension 232 to reach the vice
president. you know.. if you want to ask them to stop calling you :)"


Some said that 1-800-672-7920 was linked closely
with ASDE Inc. situated at:

729 St-Joseph Blvd, Suite 201
Gatineau, Quebec
J8Y 4B6
CANADA.

Phone: (819) 770-3651
Nota: I got the address hereabove by calling (819) 770-3651.

(3)
Subsequently, I called CRTC (regulators) PhoneBusters line
at: 1-888-495-8501.
My Web resource for this phone number is to be found here:
< https://www.lnnte-dncl.gc.ca/plt-cmp-eng > . [1]

(a) Wait time was about 20 minutes.

(b) (i) The woman who answered was helpful. She even suggested that
I get a new cell phone number. She said that "telemarketers"
and other grey-area operators sell bunches of
cellular phone numbers "in batch" ... it's a business,
borrowing "tricks" from the spam-gang, so it seems ...

(ii) I believe she also said to contact my cell service
provider, Rogers in my case. In the past, I had
very dubious (probably fraudulent) charges (5$ a pop)
for text messages that I never read, had no idea how
they got on my bill. Rogers simply "waived" these
charges, after a short phone-call (the Rogers person
seemed unfazed, almost used to these unexplained
charges for text unsolicited text-messages ... ).

Now, I'd expect PhoneBusters, per Reference [1] supra,
to at the very least treat my phone call to
1-888-495-8501 as a formal complaint against
some user at some phone number known to me.
Did I think yesterday that the call from female
robot cum survey-bot , robo-calling from
1-800-672-7920 /might/ be part of a fraud scheme ?
Yes, no question to me that it /might/ ...
Do I approve of fraud? No, certainly not.
Is fraud a serious thing? Yes, it's serious but
how serious depends on the particulars of the case at hand.

Did the PhoneBusters answer-woman take down my DOB,
address, etc. ? Nope! [ nota: this (DOB, address,
is the regular way when one is alleging/reporting
credit card unauthorized charges].

(4) (a) Whose policing (cellular) "Telemarketing" Calls in Canada ?

Good question. Ultimately, Industry Canada has a role
to play in phone regulations , among its many other
responsibilities, I believe. The CRTC traditionally
dealt with Broadcast Radio and Television issues.

Also, interestingly, Industry Canada (in .gc.ca)
knows about ASDE Inc. (privately held corporation,
not public like Facebook since it "went puclic"
with its IPO, Initial Public Offering).

Here's the link to ASDE Inc. info from Industry Canada:

Intro:
Legal Name: ASDE Inc
Operating Name: ASDE Inc
Alternate Name: ASDE SURVEY SAMPLER
Alternate Name: ÉCHANTILLONNEUR ASDE

and Secondly:

Primary Business Activity: Services
Total Sales ($CDN): $1,000,000 to $4,999,999
Export Sales ($CDN): $200,000 to $499,999
Number of Employees: 10

---

For the rest:
http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/ccc/srch/nvgt.do?sbPrtl=&prtl=1&estblmntNo=123456240792&profile=cmpltPrfl&profileId=1861&app=sold&lang=eng

(b) Here's ASDE's web-site per Industry Canada:
< http://www.surveysampler.com/ > .


David Bernier, Wednesday June 6th, 2012 at: 12:52:28 EDT .
=============================================================

[David Bernier]

Two more things to add:

(I) In 2006, the CRTC (Canada's regulator in communications
policy) issued a "revised and updated list"
regarding "Telecom Public Notice CRTC 2001- 34" .

The update lists "Parties to this Proceeding" as well
as "Interested Parties" here for the English
language version:
< http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/public/iplists/pn01-34.htm >
et ci-dessous pour la version en langue francaise:
< http://www.crtc.gc.ca/fra/public/iplists/pn01-34.htm >

In the "Interested Parties" sub-list, the name, address
and contact person for a Hull-Gatineau (Quebec Province)
company appears:

name: ASDE Inc
address in 2006: 4 Georges Bilodeau #106,
Hull, Quebec
J8Z 1V2

contact person: Mr Michel Rochon, President.

(II) On the website of ASDE Incorporated ,
< http://www.surveysampler.com/ > ,
there's a page called:
< http://www.surveysampler.com/we_called_you.html >
[ hat tip for this find goes to 'Mystro', participant
in the "800notes" forum here:
< http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-672-7920/3 > ]

Getting back to the web-page
< http://www.surveysampler.com/we_called_you.html > ,
ASDE Inc. asserts there inter alia,

(1) "Your number was randomly generated using a
computer program and called by chance
using our automated system."

(2) (copied from web-page we_called_you.html) :

<<Quote>> Our call was not made for solicitation or telemarketing
purposes but is solely for survey research which is exempt from the Do
Not Call registry. Please refer to following link for details -
https://www.lnnte-dncl.gc.ca/cofi-fico-eng#link3 .
En français: https://www.lnnte-dncl.gc.ca/cofi-fico-fra#link3
<<UnQuote>>

If you take the time to read that web-page, meaning
< http://www.surveysampler.com/we_called_you.html > ,
it should be prerfectly clear what ASDE Inc. is
claiming.

(3) Following the link on the we_called_you.html web-page
mentioned in Point 2 above,
at:
< https://www.lnnte-dncl.gc.ca/cofi-fico-eng#link3 >

the CRTC of Canada states in the sub-section
entitled
"What about calls from market research or polling firms?"
as follows (verbatim):


<< Calls from organizations conducting
market research, surveys, or public
opinion polls are also exempt from
the National Do Not Call List Rules
and are not required to keep an
internal do not call list. These
types of calls are not telemarketing
calls because the caller is not asking
you to purchase, lease or rent
products or services. >>


Last update on my Usenet post was:
Saturday June 9th 2012 at 00:01:44 EDT.

David Bernier

[David Bernier]

New update:

(III) ASDE Inc. , owner of http://www.surveysampler.com/ ,
teams up with spam-email-filterer to fight-off
SPAM (Oh the irony! It is not lost on the Gods! )

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Subject: telephone robo-surveys ( ASDE Inc. and the "Book of ****" )
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"David Bernier" <davi...@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:jqvmus$a3k$1...@dont-email.me...

[Michael Press]

In article <jquhul$kjn$1...@dont-email.me>,

David Bernier <davi...@videotron.ca> wrote:

>
> << Calls from organizations conducting
> market research, surveys, or public
> opinion polls are also exempt from
> the National Do Not Call List Rules
> and are not required to keep an
> internal do not call list. These
> types of calls are not telemarketing
> calls because the caller is not asking
> you to purchase, lease or rent
> products or services. >>
>

I proposed that they pay me my professional
rate for a consultation, and have not received
one solicitation for a market survey since.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <jquhul$kjn$1...@dont-email.me>,
David Bernier <davi...@videotron.ca> wrote:

>

> << Calls from organizations conducting
> market research, surveys, or public
> opinion polls are also exempt from
> the National Do Not Call List Rules
> and are not required to keep an
> internal do not call list. These
> types of calls are not telemarketing
> calls because the caller is not asking
> you to purchase, lease or rent
> products or services. >>
>

[Michael Press]

In article <jquhul$kjn$1...@dont-email.me>,
David Bernier <davi...@videotron.ca> wrote:

>

> << Calls from organizations conducting
> market research, surveys, or public
> opinion polls are also exempt from
> the National Do Not Call List Rules
> and are not required to keep an
> internal do not call list. These
> types of calls are not telemarketing
> calls because the caller is not asking
> you to purchase, lease or rent
> products or services. >>
>