Simulation Program
John Boy
program he was using called VisualSpice that went into demo mode
suddenly, then he could'nt use it anymore.
Well I have that same program and the SAME BUG happenned to me too,
but it was not that big a deal, the company gave me a FREE fix for it,
and its been working fine for me since and I use it for my job every
single day with no problems.
I just used it to help design TWO working Satallite GPS receivers plus
lots of other stuff and no problems here. All SPICE simulation
programs can be a little tricky, you have to know what you are doing,
but they all work the SAME because SPICE is a standard from Berkeley
University.
Programs out there with zero bugs raise your hands....
The $99 price for VisualSpice I think it's a good deal, and personally
I think it's WAY easier to use than the $12,000 PSPICE. Using PSPICE
is even more complex because you have to run at least three programs
to do anything! What tha hell!!!
Besides PSPICE does'nt even have any built in test instruments. The
VisualSpice I have got a built in real-time 64 channel scope, logic
analyzer, live spectrum analyzer where you just click on a wire to see
the waveform during the simulation, or change the componet values
during the simulation was nice.
My main complaint is that VisualSpice claims it comes with 7000 device
models, but some models I wanted was'nt there. But, I just went to the
device model manufacturer web site, downloaded the model I wanted for
FREE, then imported it into the program, no problem. I heard they have
a newer version that comes with 25,000 device models for the same
price or a little more. Not too bad.
This is the link to it http://www.islandlogix.com
Yo! Just my honest opinion.
-Engineer off the boat
Fred Bloggs
I wouldn't mind your spam so much if your c.r.a.p. program was not so
bad. You're so damned DUMB you can't even write a consistent three
paragraph tutorial- how stupid are you that you can't even keep track of
a three-component gate LED driver. The DEMO doesn't SIMULATE- because
you're so damned dumb you intercept the requisite SAVE operation and
terminate. Looking at some component PARAMETERS, I see you're so damned
dumb, you defaulted every timing parameter of the TTL 7400 family to
1ns. Your program is a worthless and malfunctional piece of trash, and
you're a damned dumbass who ought to get off his high horse and start
picking up litter in the local park so you can say you did at least one
useful thing in your lifetime.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
[snip]
>> My main complaint is that VisualSpice claims it comes with 7000 device
>> models, but some models I wanted was'nt there. But, I just went to the
>> device model manufacturer web site, downloaded the model I wanted for
>> FREE, then imported it into the program, no problem. I heard they have
>> a newer version that comes with 25,000 device models for the same
>> price or a little more. Not too bad.
>>
>> This is the link to it http://www.islandlogix.com
>>
>> Yo! Just my honest opinion.
>>
>> -Engineer off the boat
>
>I wouldn't mind your spam so much if your c.r.a.p. program was not so
>bad. You're so damned DUMB you can't even write a consistent three
>paragraph tutorial- how stupid are you that you can't even keep track of
>a three-component gate LED driver. The DEMO doesn't SIMULATE- because
>you're so damned dumb you intercept the requisite SAVE operation and
>terminate. Looking at some component PARAMETERS, I see you're so damned
>dumb, you defaulted every timing parameter of the TTL 7400 family to
>1ns. Your program is a worthless and malfunctional piece of trash, and
>you're a damned dumbass who ought to get off his high horse and start
>picking up litter in the local park so you can say you did at least one
>useful thing in your lifetime.
Jeez, Fred, Why don't you stop being so reticent and just say what you
mean ?:-)
...Jim Thompson
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Chaos Master
[snip comments about VisualSpice]
To be honest, this message looks like an AD (read: SPAM) for selling
VisualSpice.
Just my 2 cents.
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Chaos Master
> I wouldn't mind your spam so much if your c.r.a.p. program was not so
> bad. You're so damned DUMB you can't even write a consistent three
> paragraph tutorial- how stupid are you that you can't even keep track of
> a three-component gate LED driver. The DEMO doesn't SIMULATE- because
> you're so damned dumb you intercept the requisite SAVE operation and
> terminate. Looking at some component PARAMETERS, I see you're so damned
> dumb, you defaulted every timing parameter of the TTL 7400 family to
> 1ns. Your program is a worthless and malfunctional piece of trash, and
> you're a damned dumbass who ought to get off his high horse and start
> picking up litter in the local park so you can say you did at least one
> useful thing in your lifetime.
My comments about the program (at least the demo version):
None. I couldn't run it, 'cause it REQUIRES A PRINTER to be installed - and I
don't have one. But I faked one by creating a 'generic' printer that dumped to a
file. Let's open... argh. The interface is c.r.a.p.
John Boy
Spam is what I would call Kevin Aylward for posting his SPICE program
and link with every message thousands of times, I dont see anybody
else doing that!!!! But I guess he needs the money.
>Kevin Aylward , Warden of the Kings Ale
>ke...@anasoft.co.uk
>http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice "Seriously...Why pay more?",
>GUI xspice, an affordable unlimited component, mixed-mode Windows
simulator
>with Schematic Capture, waveform display, FFT's and Filter Design.
>Opinions of my employer are not necessarily indicative of my own
>Oscillators don't, amplifiers do"
This is an example of the the definition of SPAM. Why dont you call
his posting SPAM? Besides, Why are you calling me DUMB? Did I write
the program? A DEMO program is not fully functional as far as I know,
unless it says free FUNCTIONAL DEMO. Oh you probably missed school
when they were teaching about what FREE FUNCTIONAL means.
I told you I use it every day for my job, how much you want for $99? I
dont have $12,000 to buy PSPICE just so that I dont have to set a
default printer ONCE when I first run it. Besides even PSPICE got bugs
in there too.
Hey why dont you stop whining, go pimp out your mother to raise
$12,000 then use it to buy PSPICE. Then maybe you will shut up and
crawl back under your double wide.
I have a right to post my opinion just like anybody else. Why is your
opinion any better then mine? Seems like you are trying to get
attention by making fun of other peoples stuff, were you a bully when
you were in school?
Oh here's a thought, If you are so smart, why dont you WRITE YOUR OWN
SPICE PROGRAM then post it so that we can all download it to see how
it's "supposed" to be done, I dare you!!! Give us a date when we can
download your "Gods Gift to Simulation"
Then we can all make fun of it here in open forum. How about that Mr.
Smarty Pants. Of course you are gonna chicken out with some smart
comment like "well I dont have time to do it" sure cause you CANT do
it, your'e the dumb wanker!!
Fred Bloggs
Your program is not worth any amount of money- I wouldn't use it if you
paid me. I may consider beta-testing for $100 per page of documented
flaws- single line spacing- that ought to be good for an easy $10,000.
Kevin Aylward
> Fred Bloggs <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:<3F8FDD8...@nospam.com>...
>> John Boy wrote:
>>>
>>> Yo! Just my honest opinion.
>>>
>>> -Engineer off the boat
>>
>> I wouldn't mind your spam so much if your c.r.a.p. program was not so
>> bad. You're so damned DUMB you can't even write a consistent three
>> paragraph tutorial- how stupid are you that you can't even keep
>> track of a three-component gate LED driver. The DEMO doesn't
>> SIMULATE- because you're so damned dumb you intercept the requisite
>> SAVE operation and terminate. Looking at some component PARAMETERS,
>> I see you're so damned dumb, you defaulted every timing parameter of
>> the TTL 7400 family to 1ns. Your program is a worthless and
>> malfunctional piece of trash, and you're a damned dumbass who ought
>> to get off his high horse and start picking up litter in the local
>> park so you can say you did at least one useful thing in your
>> lifetime.
>
>
> Spam is what I would call Kevin Aylward for posting his SPICE program
> and link with every message thousands of times,
Not at all. Its certainly advertising, but not Spam. Not all
advertisements are Spam.
>I dont see anybody
> else doing that!!!! But I guess he needs the money.
>
Indeed.
>
>> Kevin Aylward , Warden of the Kings Ale
>> ke...@anasoft.co.uk
>> http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice "Seriously...Why pay more?",
>> GUI xspice, an affordable unlimited component, mixed-mode Windows
> simulator
>> with Schematic Capture, waveform display, FFT's and Filter Design.
>> Opinions of my employer are not necessarily indicative of my own
>> Oscillators don't, amplifiers do"
>
>
> This is an example of the the definition of SPAM.
Not at all. Many here post links to their own services.
>Why dont you call
> his posting SPAM?
Because I don't make posts, saying hey, try my SS as the theme. I
*respond* to other peoples post. By far the majority of times, SS don't
get a mention, other than in the signature. However, thanks for giving
me the opportunity to highlight SS as a direct response to your specific
issues.
>Besides, Why are you calling me DUMB? Did I write
> the program? A DEMO program is not fully functional as far as I know,
> unless it says free FUNCTIONAL DEMO. Oh you probably missed school
> when they were teaching about what FREE FUNCTIONAL means.
The SuperSpice demo is completely *fully* functional, and I don't use
that term. The only limit is the number of components that can be used.
Indeed, the limit is rather large, 30 on a top level, and 25 on a lower
level of hierarchy. This means that you can get around 750 real
schematic components with the demo.
>
> I told you I use it every day for my job, how much you want for $99?
Good for you. If your happy with it, use it. For me personally, VS is
completely unusable. I don't know your background, but my own opinion is
based on my personall experiance, over 20 years of professional analogue
design at both i.c. and board level. Do you want a real list of its
faults?. It was partly because of programs like this that I wrote SS.
Why don't you try another real, affordable, simulator that is really
usable.
> I dont have $12,000 to buy PSPICE just so that I dont have to set a
> default printer ONCE when I first run it. Besides even PSPICE got bugs
> in there too.
>
> Hey why dont you stop whining, go pimp out your mother to raise
> $12,000 then use it to buy PSPICE. Then maybe you will shut up and
> crawl back under your double wide.
>
> I have a right to post my opinion just like anybody else. Why is your
> opinion any better then mine?
What's you background then. Do you have extensive experience as an
analogue designer?
>Seems like you are trying to get
> attention by making fun of other peoples stuff, were you a bully when
> you were in school?
It was an unsolicited opinion that gave the impression that it was a
company sponsored direct advertisement. The whole stucture of your post
come over as Spam.
>
> Oh here's a thought, If you are so smart, why dont you WRITE YOUR OWN
> SPICE PROGRAM then post it so that we can all download it to see how
> it's "supposed" to be done, I dare you!!! Give us a date when we can
> download your "Gods Gift to Simulation"
>
Writing a decent program is not difficult in itself. Its simply the time
it takes to write, and having knowledge of what is actually required.
Kevin Aylward
salesE...@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
John Boy
Why do you keep calling it MY program? Are you that stupid? Since when
is posting an opinion about something automatically grants ownership?
I wish that were so. Besides I wouldnt pay you to wipe my nose.
Maybe you never said anything good about anything in your life, it
must be a foreign concept to you. You must be related to my wife, talk
bad about everybody else, but never do anything themselves so that
nobody can say bad about them.
Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and post a program YOU
WROTE so we can all see your expertise! I need a good laugh. Come on,
post your program so we can see the art of computer science.
I expect that your next posting in here will include a link to the
state of the art program that you wrote.
-Engineer of the boat
Chaos Master
> Spam is what I would call Kevin Aylward for posting his SPICE program
> and link with every message thousands of times, I dont see anybody
> else doing that!!!! But I guess he needs the money.
It's a signature. If you want, you can just scroll up and not read his
signature. And he never posted anything like 'Hey! Use my program! It's the
best!'
> unless it says free FUNCTIONAL DEMO. Oh you probably missed school
> when they were teaching about what FREE FUNCTIONAL means.
That's called 'Student Version' or 'Evaluation Version'.
Look at SIMetrix Intro, for instance. You can use it to do circuits with 2 or 3
op-amps. Enough to be useful for students or hobbysts.
> I told you I use it every day for my job, how much you want for $99?
Please send me an example of a real project you've done using VisualSpice.
fusca1...@SCRAMBLED.yahoo.com. Remove the 'SCRAMBLED'. PS: there's no problem
in receiving spam at this address. It's just a fodder for Usenet groups and to
access Yahoo! Groups.
LTSpice is FREE, and fast. All programs have bugs.
> Hey why dont you stop whining, go pimp out your mother to raise
> $12,000 then use it to buy PSPICE. Then maybe you will shut up and
> crawl back under your double wide.
LTSpice is FREE and fast. SIMetrix (my favorite simulator) starts at $500 IIRC
(for the version without IC design features). SuperSpice starts at $30 or so
IIRC for the Student edition.
John Boy
> John Boy engraved with a +2 athame:
>
> [snip comments about VisualSpice]
>
> To be honest, this message looks like an AD (read: SPAM) for selling
> VisualSpice.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
My post was not an ad, but you are right, it does look like one a
little now that I read it. But who cares, I use it every day for my
job, along with a bunch of other programs, so why not post about it
since I use it all the time.
Since when is posting an opinion automatically grant ownership? If
that were true maybe I should start posting about PSPICE or Microsoft
Windows, then I will be granted automatic ownership and people will
start bashing me about those also. Why dont you people grow up and get
a life!!!
I think you guys in here must be working for Kevin Aylward and his
SuperSpice program or getting commission off it, because he SPAMS
about it ALL THE TIME from what I'm seeing, but nobody ever says
anything about it....
>Kevin Aylward , Warden of the Kings Ale
>ke...@anasoft.co.uk
>http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice "Seriously...Why pay more?",
>GUI xspice, an affordable unlimited component, mixed-mode Windows
simulator
>with Schematic Capture, waveform display, FFT's and Filter Design.
>Opinions of my employer are not necessarily indicative of my own
>Oscillators don't, amplifiers do"
I've used lots of programs, all have good and bad points. How about
this, why dont you guys write your own program then post it in here so
we can see how programs are supposed to be written instead of making
fun of others. Or maybe it's just that you are too stupid to do it?
Come on, go ahead, post a link to your program, lets see it!!!
-Engineer of the boat
Chaos Master
> My post was not an ad, but you are right, it does look like one a
> little now that I read it. But who cares, I use it every day for my
> job, along with a bunch of other programs, so why not post about it
> since I use it all the time.
It *was* an AD, a.k.a SPAM. Please SEND ME an example of REAL WORK done with it.
e-mail to fusca1...@yahoo.com .
> Since when is posting an opinion automatically grant ownership? If
> that were true maybe I should start posting about PSPICE or Microsoft
> Windows, then I will be granted automatic ownership and people will
> start bashing me about those also. Why dont you people grow up and get
> a life!!!
F*ck off. *You* should get a life instead of trolling.
> Come on, go ahead, post a link to your program, lets see it!!!
If I wrote one, I wouldn't. My program would not be designed for TROLLS!
Chaos Master. (I don't work for Cadence, Linear Tech, Newbury Tech, Intusoft or
any SPICE simulator manufacturer).
Joel Kolstad
> Look at SIMetrix Intro, for instance. You can use it to do circuits with
> 2 or 3 op-amps. Enough to be useful for students or hobbysts.
I'll add my voice to stating that SIMetrix is a very worthwhile tool. I
liked the free version so much I eventually purchased a more full-featured
version. Unfortunately, now that SIMetrix is a part of Catena, the prices
have gone up significantly. For a 'real company,' the increase isn't enough
that it would kill anyone's budget (and it's arguably still a good deal),
but it does tend to at least give it the appearance of moving out of reach
of the 'enthusiastic' hobbyist. I've found Newbury Tech. (the makers) to be
quite reasonable about considering the end use in their pricing, though
(i.e., academic, hobbyist, Intel, etc.), even after the move.
I had actually tried out SuperSPICE beforehand and -- while it did convince
me that Kevin's a pretty darned savvy guy and cares a lot about the
program -- found it still a little 'rough' around the edges. The pricing is
quite attractive as well.
I haven't used LTSpice, but wouldn't be surprised if -- given a few more
years of development -- it rapidly starts kicking (the free version of)
PSPICE off of many college campuses. PSPICE works just fine, and OrCAD can
point to many real world successful designs with it, but I think it's
difficult to argue that it's really the best bang for the buck anymore.
Finally, as for the guy who stated that 'all SPICEs are the same at their
core anyway' -- that's probably quite true of the many SPICE packages that
just wrap a GUI around the Berkeley core, but what you're paying for with
the likes of SIMetrix and SuperSPICE are guys who understand how the
Berkeley core works _and have made extensive modifications to it_ to support
better performance, convergence, etc. Not to mention bug-proofing --
there's a lot of academic code out there that's choke full of bugs due to
the people writing it knowing that (1) they'd probably never get any credit
for making it rock solid anyway and (2) that thesis deadline was coming up
awfully fast...
---Joel Kolstad
Kevin Aylward
> Chaos Master <this_is_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Look at SIMetrix Intro, for instance. You can use it to do circuits
>> with 2 or 3 op-amps. Enough to be useful for students or hobbysts.
>
> I'll add my voice to stating that SIMetrix is a very worthwhile tool.
> I liked the free version so much I eventually purchased a more
> full-featured version. Unfortunately, now that SIMetrix is a part of
> Catena, the prices have gone up significantly. For a 'real company,'
> the increase isn't enough that it would kill anyone's budget (and
> it's arguably still a good deal), but it does tend to at least give
> it the appearance of moving out of reach of the 'enthusiastic'
> hobbyist. I've found Newbury Tech. (the makers) to be quite
> reasonable about considering the end use in their pricing, though
> (i.e., academic, hobbyist, Intel, etc.), even after the move.
>
> I had actually tried out SuperSPICE beforehand and -- while it did
> convince me that Kevin's a pretty darned savvy guy and cares a lot
> about the program -- found it still a little 'rough' around the
> edges.
Ok. I'm always open to suggestions. What were the complaints? Maybe
valid and fixable. How long ago was this. I update continually. There
have been numerous useful improvements over the last year.
Kevin Aylward
salesE...@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
John Boy
>
> It *was* an AD, a.k.a SPAM. Please SEND ME an example of REAL WORK done with it.
> e-mail to fusca1...@yahoo.com .
What on earth could make me send YOU my companies schematics? Do I
want to get fired? Why dont you post your companies intellectual
property here for us to see.
>
> > Come on, go ahead, post a link to your program, lets see it!!!
>
> If I wrote one, I wouldn't. My program would not be designed for TROLLS!
>
Just what I thought, all mouth and no brain. If you cant even write a
program what qualification do you have to make fun of it. Either post
a program you wrote, or sit down and shut up.
If your next posting does not nave a link to your program, then that
only proves that you are registered a dumbass.
John Boy
> John Boy engraved with a +2 athame:
>
> > Spam is what I would call Kevin Aylward for posting his SPICE program
> > and link with every message thousands of times, I dont see anybody
> > else doing that!!!! But I guess he needs the money.
>
> It's a signature. If you want, you can just scroll up and not read his
> signature. And he never posted anything like 'Hey! Use my program! It's the
> best!'
Oh a signature, is that what it is. I thought it was just a slick way
of freely advertizing his program (SPAM). And I already told you that
is not my program. Are you brain dead?
Even if I was SPAMMING what are you gonna do about it?
>
> > I told you I use it every day for my job, how much you want for $99?
>
> Please send me an example of a real project you've done using VisualSpice.
>
If you think I'm gonna send you my companies schematics you better
think again.
>
> SIMetrix (my favorite simulator) starts at $500 IIRC
> (for the version without IC design features).
Sounds like SPAM to me, did you write SIMetrix and is SPAMMING it now?
well, probably not you are too stupid to write even a "Hello World"
program.
John Boy
> John Boy wrote:
> > Fred Bloggs <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:<3F8FDD8...@nospam.com>...
> >> John Boy wrote:
>>>>
>> > Spam is what I would call Kevin Aylward for posting his SPICE
program
> > and link with every message thousands of times,
>
> *respond* to other peoples post. By far the majority of times, SS don't
> get a mention, other than in the signature. However, thanks for giving
> me the opportunity to highlight SS as a direct response to your specific
> issues.
I WAS responding to another post about VS, but their post was over a
month old so I had to start a new thread.
Personally I dont want to argue about stupid spice programs, you
people use anything you want, what do I care. All I did was post an
opinion, yes I admit it did sound like SPAM, so what, maybe they'll
give me a commission for it ;) I need the money for a new computer
anyway.
>
>
> The SuperSpice demo is completely *fully* functional, and I don't use
> that term. The only limit is the number of components that can be used.
> Indeed, the limit is rather large, 30 on a top level, and 25 on a lower
> level of hierarchy. This means that you can get around 750 real
> schematic components with the demo.
>
Is that SPAM? Using every excuse to push your product while bashing
competing products. But I cant blame you, it's just marketing right?
he he he.
> >
> > I told you I use it every day for my job, how much you want for $99?
>
> Good for you. If your happy with it, use it. For me personally, VS is
> completely unusable. I don't know your background, but my own opinion is
> based on my personall experiance, over 20 years of professional analogue
> design at both i.c. and board level. Do you want a real list of its
> faults?. It was partly because of programs like this that I wrote SS.
> Why don't you try another real, affordable, simulator that is really
> usable.
I design circuits for a living also, but I dont have 20 years
experience, why do I need it, I'm not designing with vacuum tubes.
Typical engineer thinks he knows more than everybody else, and only
his opinion is the right one.
Of course YOUR program is the ONLY usable program in the world. But I
tried yours and I couldnt get it to do anything because it was too
slow even if it was the only thing running.
Honest bible truth, I clicked on a menu item in SuperSpice and it took
like a minute before the menu poped up. The hard drive started going
like mad each time I tried to pick something from the menu. Are you
creating the menu in real-time on the fly each time you try to click
on it? why?
I had to start plannng ahead of time what menu item I'm gonna click
next because if I made a mistake I would have to go eat a sandwich
while waiting for the correct menu to come up. It reminded me of the
time I tried using the Protel demo, unbelivable, you need a 3Gz
machine for that thing.
But SuperSpice could be a nice program, but I could not give it a
good try because of the speed problem. If you get that fixed maybe I
could try it again. It looks identical to VS, so maybe it's good. I
think you programmers are copying each other.
I tried Electronic Workbench, forget that one, you need a 3Gz dual
processor machine to boot that one up. PSPICE was ok but I gotta run
three programs to get a simulation. CircuitMaker was ok, but the
interface was clunky old pre Windows 3.1 style and cost $1000. Beige
Bag B2 Spice was ok but clunky interface also.
They are all basically the same under the hood, because they all use
the exact same SPICE engine from berkeley and then add some fluff to
"pretty it up". Then charge you a lot of money depending on how pretty
it is.
My opinion take it or leave it!
-Engineer off the boat
>
> Kevin Aylward
> salesE...@anasoft.co.uk
> http://www.anasoft.co.uk
> SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
> Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
> Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
Oh another SPAM!!!
John Boy
I'm still waiting for a link to your wonderful program, what are you
waiting for, go ahead, post it! Show the world the right way to do
things.
If your next posting does not have a link to your program, then we
will all know you are a certified troll.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
"John Boy" --> ctrl-K, permanent ;-)
John Woodgate
<shaggy...@hotmail.com> wrote (in <a0791f08.0310190923.295827d1@posti
ng.google.com>) about 'Simulation Program', on Sun, 19 Oct 2003:
>But SuperSpice could be a nice program, but I could not give it a good
>try because of the speed problem. If you get that fixed maybe I could
>try it again. It looks identical to VS, so maybe it's good. I think you
>programmers are copying each other.
SuperSpice doesn't normally suffer from such extreme speed problems. It
sounds as if something else on your machine is taking exception to it.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to
http://www.isce.org.uk
PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL!
Active8
> I read in sci.electronics.design that John Boy
> <shaggy...@hotmail.com> wrote (in <a0791f08.0310190923.295827d1@posti
> ng.google.com>) about 'Simulation Program', on Sun, 19 Oct 2003:
>
> >But SuperSpice could be a nice program, but I could not give it a good
> >try because of the speed problem. If you get that fixed maybe I could
> >try it again. It looks identical to VS, so maybe it's good. I think you
> >programmers are copying each other.
>
> SuperSpice doesn't normally suffer from such extreme speed problems. It
> sounds as if something else on your machine is taking exception to it.
>
of stuff, but i think OP might be exaggerating a bit.
in case anyone want's to stop guessing and start researching (this only
took me about 15 sec which isn't shit compared to the time already spent
bitching,) here's the whois info from sam spade via magic.
note: OP is shaggy...@hotmail.com (John Boy)
hard to say where it came from because it appears to have been posted
through google
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.157.126.202
that an IP addy from a block owned by Bell South
[ where have i heard the name nigel smith before? ]
Registrant:
Island Logix, Inc. (ISLANDLOGIX-DOM)
P.O. Box 157
Waukegan, IL 60079
US
Domain Name: ISLANDLOGIX.COM
Administrative Contact:
Smith, Nigel (NS6526) LJS...@PRODIGY.COM
Island Logix Inc
PO BOX 157
WAUKEGAN, IL 60079-0157
US
(708) 360-0458
Technical Contact:
Esquibel, Bruce (BE8) b...@RIPCO.COM
3163 N. Clybourn Ave.
Chicago, IL 60618
US
773-477-6210 fax: 123 123 1234
Record expires on 01-Mar-2004.
Record created on 15-Oct-2002.
Database last updated on 19-Oct-2003 17:09:25 EDT.
Active8
> Chaos Master <this_is_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Finally, as for the guy who stated that 'all SPICEs are the same at their
> core anyway' -- that's probably quite true of the many SPICE packages that
> just wrap a GUI around the Berkeley core, but what you're paying for with
> the likes of SIMetrix and SuperSPICE are guys who understand how the
> Berkeley core works _and have made extensive modifications to it_ to support
> better performance, convergence, etc. Not to mention bug-proofing --
> there's a lot of academic code out there that's choke full of bugs due to
> the people writing it knowing that (1) they'd probably never get any credit
> for making it rock solid anyway and (2) that thesis deadline was coming up
> awfully fast...
>
mentioned that not all sims run the same in different Spices. IIRC, Mike
E mentioned that he receives spice decks in his email with examples of
this.
FWIW,
mike
Chaos Master
> Oh a signature, is that what it is. I thought it was just a slick way
> of freely advertizing his program (SPAM). And I already told you that
> is not my program. Are you brain dead?
It's not program, but it looks like islandlogics is paying you to do that.
> Even if I was SPAMMING what are you gonna do about it?
Report to Google.
> If you think I'm gonna send you my companies schematics you better
> think again.
No need to send a company schematic. Send me a ***example*** of a simulation
from your program.
> Sounds like SPAM to me, did you write SIMetrix and is SPAMMING it now?
> well, probably not you are too stupid to write even a "Hello World"
> program.
No.
--
Chaos®; I have NO, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, NENHUMA, NONE, NINGUNA relation with
any software producer.
Chaos Master
> in case anyone want's to stop guessing and start researching (this only
> took me about 15 sec which isn't shit compared to the time already spent
> bitching,) here's the whois info from sam spade via magic.
>
> note: OP is shaggy...@hotmail.com (John Boy)
>
> hard to say where it came from because it appears to have been posted
> through google
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.157.126.202
Report to groups...@google.com.
At my freebsd shell(m-net.arbornet.org) I ran nslookup and got this, if it's
useful:
bash-2.05a$ nslookup
Default Server: dns.wwnet.net
Address: 209.142.193.2
> 68.157.126.202
Server: dns.wwnet.net
Address: 209.142.193.2
Name: adsl-068-157-126-202.sip.mia.bellsouth.net
Address: 68.157.126.202
--
Ken Smith
John Boy <shaggy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[.. about some lamer spice thingy ..]
>Programs out there with zero bugs raise your hands....
At least four of mine just raised their hands.
Only in the Microsoft era did it become OK to have bugs in a program. How
many people hear would get on an airplane controlled by MS windows
programs?
Those who figure it is safe because it will never get airborn don't
count.
--
--
kens...@rahul.net forging knowledge
Active8
> Active8 engraved with a +2 athame:
>
> > in case anyone want's to stop guessing and start researching (this only
> > took me about 15 sec which isn't shit compared to the time already spent
> > bitching,) here's the whois info from sam spade via magic.
> >
> > note: OP is shaggy...@hotmail.com (John Boy)
> >
> > hard to say where it came from because it appears to have been posted
> > through google
> >
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.157.126.202
>
> Report to groups...@google.com.
there's an idea.
he's not bothering me yet, but he's already in at least one kill
file/bozo bin.
i did the lookup to get a clue as to whether he was the software author.
the domain registrant is Islandlogix, Inc. and the contact is Nigel
Smith which rings a bell.
coincidentally, OPs email addy has "smith" in it.
>
>
> At my freebsd shell(m-net.arbornet.org) I ran nslookup and got this, if it's
> useful:
>
> bash-2.05a$ nslookup
> Default Server: dns.wwnet.net
> Address: 209.142.193.2
>
> > 68.157.126.202
> Server: dns.wwnet.net
> Address: 209.142.193.2
>
> Name: adsl-068-157-126-202.sip.mia.bellsouth.net
> Address: 68.157.126.202
>
hmmm... asymetric DSL
like i said, i think he posted through google
Organization: http://groups.google.com
although if i put my company name in my news client, *it* shows up as
"Organization"
and i'm thinking his ISP is Bell South
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.157.126.202
which is what you got out of your most excellent free shell. i was going
to say OS but i went to m-net.arbornet.org and figured it out.
uh, "athame" isn't in webster's. care to elucidate me? sounds like a #2
pencil.
brs,
mike
Kevin Aylward
Of course not, you invited a response by posting in ther first place.
Spam is unsolicited:-)
>Using every excuse to push your product while bashing
> competing products. But I cant blame you, it's just marketing right?
> he he he.
>
Indeed.
>
>>>
>>> I told you I use it every day for my job, how much you want for $99?
>>
>> Good for you. If your happy with it, use it. For me personally, VS is
>> completely unusable. I don't know your background, but my own
>> opinion is based on my personall experiance, over 20 years of
>> professional analogue design at both i.c. and board level. Do you
>> want a real list of its faults?. It was partly because of programs
>> like this that I wrote SS. Why don't you try another real,
>> affordable, simulator that is really usable.
>
> I design circuits for a living also, but I dont have 20 years
> experience, why do I need it, I'm not designing with vacuum tubes.
> Typical engineer thinks he knows more than everybody else, and only
> his opinion is the right one.
Indeed.
>
> Of course YOUR program is the ONLY usable program in the world.
No. I think PSpice is reasonable, just too expensive. I also think
Cadence Analog Artist is pretty good. LTSpice is also usable, but a bit
too cryptic for me, but for personal use, on limited funds, if SS didn't
exist, it would be a contender. However, EWB/CM/VS etc are all quite
useless, in my view.
>But I
> tried yours and I couldnt get it to do anything because it was too
> slow even if it was the only thing running.
What system are you using? I admit that it is thirsty resource wise. You
want at least 256M and > 400Mhz uP. I use it with a 1Ghz with 512M, and
I don't notice any problems in GUI speed at all. Note that anything
below XP/NT is crap.
>
> Honest bible truth, I clicked on a menu item in SuperSpice and it took
> like a minute before the menu poped up. The hard drive started going
> like mad each time I tried to pick something from the menu. Are you
> creating the menu in real-time on the fly each time you try to click
> on it? why?
Nope. As noted above, I don't have this problem on my system, and I
don't get many complaints on this, if any. When was the last time you
defragged?
As noted above, are you running XP/NT, if not. Do so. Anything else, is
not viable today. Systems below this have a total GUI resource limit of
64k for all processes running.
>
> I had to start plannng ahead of time what menu item I'm gonna click
> next because if I made a mistake I would have to go eat a sandwich
> while waiting for the correct menu to come up. It reminded me of the
> time I tried using the Protel demo, unbelivable, you need a 3Gz
> machine for that thing.
There is obviously something not right in the system set-up.
>
> But SuperSpice could be a nice program, but I could not give it a
> good try because of the speed problem. If you get that fixed maybe I
> could try it again. It looks identical to VS, so maybe it's good.
It works way better than VS, and is no way identical. It is designed for
real work. Once you can actually run it ok on a decent set-up system, it
will be plainly apparent.
> I
> think you programmers are copying each other.
Wow no way, but a windows GUI, by its nature has similar features. I had
never even heard of VS, when I started SS. I was aware of its crap
precursor though.
>
> I tried Electronic Workbench, forget that one, you need a 3Gz dual
> processor machine to boot that one up.
Rubbish. EWB technically runs fine on most systems. Its crap in actual
use though.
>PSPICE was ok but I gotta run
> three programs to get a simulation.
Its a bit messy, but not a big issue.
>CircuitMaker was ok, but the
> interface was clunky old pre Windows 3.1 style and cost $1000. Beige
> Bag B2 Spice was ok but clunky interface also.
>
> They are all basically the same under the hood, because they all use
> the exact same SPICE engine from berkeley and then add some fluff to
> "pretty it up". Then charge you a lot of money depending on how pretty
> it is.
>
Simetrix has extensively modified core code, so they are not all the
same.
I don't actually charge for my port of the engine itself. You can use
the demo installed engine standalone, with unrestricted features, with
text input and output.
Ah... I have now read the next post by Active8, and it does seem that
indeed you are a spamer from Island logic, the vendor of VS.
Interestingly, the first time I tried VS, it failed by using up all GUI
resources because of all those bloody GUI buttoned toolbars.
John Boy
> [.. about some lamer spice thingy ..]
> >Programs out there with zero bugs raise your hands....
>
> At least four of mine just raised their hands.
Please post your bug free programs. If each of your programs are not
at least 2MB exe file dynamically linked, then dont bother posting it.
Anybody can write a bug free "hello world" program.
>
> Only in the Microsoft era did it become OK to have bugs in a program. How
> many people hear would get on an airplane controlled by MS windows
> programs?
>
Windows OS controlling a plane, yea right, funniest thing I ever
heard. You should think about doing stand up comedy.
John Boy
post their wonderful software here so that we can see how it's
"supposed" to be done since they know everything, and so quick to
curse and beat down.
Come on guys, post your programs so we can see the state of the art in
software development and intuitive user interface design. I promise to
give it a fair shake.
John Boy
> John Boy engraved with a +2 athame:
>
> > Oh a signature, is that what it is. I thought it was just a slick way
> > of freely advertizing his program (SPAM). And I already told you that
> > is not my program. Are you brain dead?
>
> It's not program, but it looks like islandlogics is paying you to do that.
>
"It's not program" ??? what does that mean, is English your second language?
> > If you think I'm gonna send you my companies schematics you better
> > think again.
>
>
> No need to send a company schematic. Send me a ***example*** of a simulation
> from your program.
Why are you still calling it my program? Are you on medication?
Fred Bloggs
Are you in this country on a visa? If so, that situation can be
rectified swiftly.:-)
John Boy
> On 19 Oct 2003 10:27:41 -0700, shaggy...@hotmail.com (John Boy)
> wrote:
>
> >Fred Bloggs <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<3F8FDD8...@nospam.com>...
> >
> >I'm still waiting for a link to your wonderful program, what are you
> >waiting for, go ahead, post it! Show the world the right way to do
> >things.
> >
> >If your next posting does not have a link to your program, then we
> >will all know you are a certified troll.
>
> "John Boy" --> ctrl-K, permanent ;-)
Jim I have no beef with you. I'm pissed off because all I did was post
my opinion and I get flamed for it by people who are trying to get
some fame by blasting other people.
It's only fair that they put up their own program so we can all see
the "right" way to do things. Since they believe they have the right
to blast everything, thye must know the right way.
But funny I still hav'nt seen them posting anything!
-Enginer off the boat
John Boy
Frank Bemelman
"John Boy" <shaggy...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:a0791f08.03102...@posting.google.com...
>
> It's only fair that they put up their own program so we can all see
> the "right" way to do things. Since they believe they have the right
> to blast everything, thye must know the right way.
I don't have to be an excellent cook to know when something
tastes like sh*t ;)
--
Thanks,
Frank Bemelman
(remove 'x' & .invalid when sending email)
Fred Bloggs
Active8 wrote:
This Esquibel was the focus of a major joint government probe of a
$150M credit card fraud network, and operated a BBS for hackers
exchanging various information pursuant to their furtherance of criminal
activity, such as attempting to shut down a major metropolitan E911
network . His computer equipment was seized on probable cause warrant,
the premises searched, and he was arrested for possession of
unregistered firearms - all in the 1990 timeframe-providing the web
information is credible. But this is just RIPCO and not necessarily
IslandLogix which has since moved its base of operations to Florida.
Listening to JohnBoy, aka Nigel Smith, it is clear they are low life
scum also.
Active8
psuedoscientist i used to work for. i see "Phrack" turns up in one of
them so that just smacks of CRACKING DUDE. HACKERS ARE NOT NECCESSARILY
CRACKERS.
have to yell that 'cause evindently even tech types haven't figured out
the difference. if you gotta say "hacking" in this context, at least say
"criminal hacking.
so you think john boy is nigel smith, eh? i can't remember where nigel
smith popped up. i thought it was from a post, but google didn't return
his name for this group. there's some other guys out there with the same
name.
brs,
mike
Active8
> John Boy wrote:
> > "Kevin Aylward" <kevindotayl...@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in
> > message news:<85dkb.650$uG3...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>...
> >> John Boy wrote:
> >>> Fred Bloggs <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:<3F8FDD8...@nospam.com>...
> >>>> John Boy wrote:
> >> The SuperSpice demo is completely *fully* functional, and I don't use
> >> that term. The only limit is the number of components that can be
> >> used. Indeed, the limit is rather large, 30 on a top level, and 25
> >> on a lower level of hierarchy. This means that you can get around
> >> 750 real schematic components with the demo.
> >>
> >
> > Is that SPAM?
>
> Of course not, you invited a response by posting in ther first place.
> Spam is unsolicited:-)
>
> >Using every excuse to push your product while bashing
> > competing products. But I cant blame you, it's just marketing right?
> > he he he.
> >
>
> Indeed.
with one exception. i haven't seen kevin *bash* other products, which
would be *bad* marketing.
>
<snip>
[...]However, EWB/CM/VS etc are all quite
> useless, in my view.
>
you ain't shittin'
> >But I
> > tried yours and I couldnt get it to do anything because it was too
> > slow even if it was the only thing running.
>
> What system are you using? I admit that it is thirsty resource wise. You
> want at least 256M and > 400Mhz uP. I use it with a 1Ghz with 512M, and
> I don't notice any problems in GUI speed at all. Note that anything
> below XP/NT is crap.
yup. no probs with GUI speed *here*.
>
> >
> > Honest bible truth, I clicked on a menu item in SuperSpice and it took
> > like a minute before the menu poped up. The hard drive started going
> > like mad each time I tried to pick something from the menu. Are you
> > creating the menu in real-time on the fly each time you try to click
> > on it? why?
>
> Nope. As noted above, I don't have this problem on my system, and I
> don't get many complaints on this, if any. When was the last time you
> defragged?
frags ain't the prob. if he's low on RAM, the OS will swap out all the
shit it can to make room for the resource to load. frags *can* effect
other performance probs, however, like maybe trying to find a f'in place
to swap to.
>
> As noted above, are you running XP/NT, if not. Do so. Anything else, is
> not viable today. Systems below this have a total GUI resource limit of
> 64k for all processes running.
fact. winders 9x despite all the bs has built in limits.
>
<blah, blah>
> > I
> > think you programmers are copying each other.
>
> Wow no way, but a windows GUI, by its nature has similar features. I had
> never even heard of VS, when I started SS. I was aware of its crap
> precursor though.
LOL. what was the precursor?
>
> >
> > I tried Electronic Workbench, forget that one, you need a 3Gz dual
> > processor machine to boot that one up.
>
> Rubbish. EWB technically runs fine on most systems. Its crap in actual
> use though.
yup.
>
> >PSPICE was ok but I gotta run
> > three programs to get a simulation.
>
> Its a bit messy, but not a big issue.
>
> >CircuitMaker was ok, but the
> > interface was clunky old pre Windows 3.1 style and cost $1000. Beige
> > Bag B2 Spice was ok but clunky interface also.
> >
> > They are all basically the same under the hood, because they all use
> > the exact same SPICE engine from berkeley and then add some fluff to
> > "pretty it up". Then charge you a lot of money depending on how pretty
> > it is.
> >
>
> Simetrix has extensively modified core code, so they are not all the
> same.
>
> I don't actually charge for my port of the engine itself. You can use
> the demo installed engine standalone, with unrestricted features, with
> text input and output.
yeah. and you don't even have to pay for that! so write a *real* GUI,
john boy.
>
> Ah... I have now read the next post by Active8, and it does seem that
> indeed you are a spamer from Island logic, the vendor of VS.
> Interestingly, the first time I tried VS, it failed by using up all GUI
> resources because of all those bloody GUI buttoned toolbars.
you can't bullshit Active8 :-) too bad you wasted time on this, like me.
JT ctrl-k'd his ass over 24hrs ago. we should be so wise. check what
fred bloggs turned up in his response to me. about the Esquibel guy
who's the tech contact for the island illogic domain. if all that's
true, the moral is that crackers are nothing but puss-ass script kiddies
who couldn't code a proper "hello dickhead" program. hackers, OTOH,
ain't bad.
OTOH, i don't know their background, but l0pht Heavy Industries (IIRC,
now under a different [domain name, at least] name) have come a long
way. I'm considering going to jail to boost my biz ;-) not.
BTW, kevin. i just came back from the local half-arsed pub and realizing
that i didn't hoist an ale for a fellow cock-knocker (read prick, or "no
bullshitter", whatever,) i'm hoisting one for ya now. next time i'll
'ave 'er throw in a guinness ;-) and have a shot for JT.
time for some church music. i think i'll start with Judas Priest.
see ya,
mike
Active8
client. you're blabbing back to someone who's no doubt bozo bin'd your
ass.
bammelman's reply to you is accurate.
AFAIK you haven't contributed shit to this group and have caused a waste
of bandwidth. i'm guilty for adding to that waste as i type. if you were
a contributor, or a lurker or a poster with a question, it would be a
different matter. but you came along and spammed us with a bs line
AFAIK. i caught your ass AFAIC. go away, get back on the boat. engineer
my ass.
Active8
> In article <a0791f08.03101...@posting.google.com>,
> John Boy <shaggy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [.. about some lamer spice thingy ..]
> >Programs out there with zero bugs raise your hands....
>
> At least four of mine just raised their hands.
>
> Only in the Microsoft era did it become OK to have bugs in a program. How
> many people hear would get on an airplane controlled by MS windows
> programs?
not me. i saw a big CNC router run off the rail under control of a
winders based... i can't call it a program.
-mike
Active8
Ken Smith
John Boy <shaggy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>kens...@violet.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote in message
>news:<bmv8im$tra$1...@blue.rahul.net>...
>> In article <a0791f08.03101...@posting.google.com>,
>> John Boy <shaggy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> [.. about some lamer spice thingy ..]
>> >Programs out there with zero bugs raise your hands....
>>
>> At least four of mine just raised their hands.
>
>
>Please post your bug free programs.
No! I'm not going to. I'm not going to give away product.
> If each of your programs are not
>at least 2MB exe file dynamically linked, then dont bother posting it.
Who said they were *.EXE programs?
Who said they run under Winblows?
When did bloating up to 2MB become a good thing?
The programs do all that is needed in their applications. This includes
having a user interface, built in help etc.
>Anybody can write a bug free "hello world" program.
They are a *lot* bigger than "hello world" programs.