Has the Philips web site finally gone to lalaland?
Joerg
being sluggish, waiting for stock quotes and all that nonsense. But now
whenever I click on an app note some glitz page with a soccer ball comes up.
What's going on over there?
Regards, Joerg
Spehro Pefhany
<notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
>Tried to open some 80C51 app notes. Ok, I got used to that web site
>being sluggish, waiting for stock quotes and all that nonsense. But now
>whenever I click on an app note some glitz page with a soccer ball comes up.
>
>What's going on over there?
>Regards, Joerg
I see the soccer ball on the first page, but the rest is working
nicely as usual. I just downloaded AN10225_2.pdf.
Maybe you need to upgrade your system. ;-)
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Joerg
>
>>Tried to open some 80C51 app notes. Ok, I got used to that web site
>>being sluggish, waiting for stock quotes and all that nonsense. But now
>>whenever I click on an app note some glitz page with a soccer ball comes up.
>>
>>What's going on over there?
>
> I see the soccer ball on the first page, but the rest is working
> nicely as usual. I just downloaded AN10225_2.pdf.
>
> Maybe you need to upgrade your system. ;-)
>
Hmm, that would make it two systems already. Tried on both PCs in the
office, same thing. Looking at any other mfg's app notes such as Atmel
works fine. Oh well, they've got 8051s as well.
Anyhow, I certainly won't upgrade anything just because one company
thinks they have to over-sophisticate ;-)
I already hung up on the IEEE virtual communities because of that and
told them so. Seems most other have, too, since traffic has come to a
crawl there.
Regards, Joerg
Mike Monett
news:Fp49g.16175$Lm5....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
Joerg,
Did a quick search and downloaded IC22_AN425,
"PCF8584 interfacing I2C-bus controller to 80C51" with no problems.
No stock quotes, no bouncing ball, nothing strange. In fact, the site seems
a lot faster and easier to use than in days past.
I'm running Opera 8.54 with javascript, animated gifs, images and
popups turned off.
Mike Monett
Joerg
>
> Did a quick search and downloaded IC22_AN425,
> "PCF8584 interfacing I2C-bus controller to 80C51" with no problems.
>
I was browsing the app note listing and clicking from there. Now it
works again (slow). Some days it does, others it doesn't.
> No stock quotes, no bouncing ball, nothing strange. In fact, the site seems
> a lot faster and easier to use than in days past.
>
From where are you trying? From California I see lots of latency.
> I'm running Opera 8.54 with javascript, animated gifs, images and
> popups turned off.
>
Here it's Mozilla, 1.6 as well as 1.7. All the fluff turned off as well.
Regards, Joerg
John Jardine.
"Mike Monett" <N...@email.adr> wrote in message
news:Xns97C1AC0E14...@216.196.97.131...
>
> I'm running Opera 8.54 with javascript, animated gifs, images and
> popups turned off.
>
> Mike Monett
Same here!. Been using Opera for past year, absolutely no problem.
A pleasure not seeing any fluff and junk.
john
Jim Thompson
Firefox 1.0.7 myself. Love it! I particularly like being able to
individually set "fluff" by site.
...Jim Thompson
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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:6pv962hq3nlege3s2...@4ax.com...
Was using Firefox no problem before Opera. Only changed cos' Opera loaded 3
seconds faster.
john
Joerg
>
> Did a quick search and downloaded IC22_AN425,
> "PCF8584 interfacing I2C-bus controller to 80C51" with no problems.
>
> No stock quotes, no bouncing ball, nothing strange. In fact, the site seems
> a lot faster and easier to use than in days past.
>
> I'm running Opera 8.54 with javascript, animated gifs, images and
> popups turned off.
>
Ok, did it a few times: When searching AN439 I get a few hits and
clicking one yields the app note (one that I was actually looking for).
But for that to work you need a priori knowledge about the existence of
a certain app note.
When perusing the list on the micro controller page and clicking AN439
from there I get, you guesed it, the soccer ball. Well, at least by now
it has been hammered into my head that there is a FIFA World Cup this
year and that there is a Philips chip inside the tickets. Doesn't say
how much the tickets are...
Regards, Joerg
Jim Thompson
<jo...@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:6pv962hq3nlege3s2...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:30:59 +0100, "John Jardine."
>> <jo...@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Mike Monett" <N...@email.adr> wrote in message
>> >news:Xns97C1AC0E14...@216.196.97.131...
>> >>
>> >> I'm running Opera 8.54 with javascript, animated gifs, images and
>> >> popups turned off.
>> >>
>> >> Mike Monett
>> >
>> >Same here!. Been using Opera for past year, absolutely no problem.
>> >A pleasure not seeing any fluff and junk.
>> >john
>> >
>>
>> Firefox 1.0.7 myself. Love it! I particularly like being able to
>> individually set "fluff" by site.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>Was using Firefox no problem before Opera. Only changed cos' Opera loaded 3
>seconds faster.
>john
>
Here Firefox loads in <= 1 second.
Mike Monett
news:I179g.16237$Lm5....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
> Hello Mike,
Hello Joerg,
> I was browsing the app note listing and clicking from there. Now it
> works again (slow). Some days it does, others it doesn't.
>> No stock quotes, no bouncing ball, nothing strange. In fact, the site
>> seems a lot faster and easier to use than in days past.
> From where are you trying? From California I see lots of latency.
Ontario, Canada. Maybe 120 miles North of Speff.
> Here it's Mozilla, 1.6 as well as 1.7. All the fluff turned off as
> well.
Version 1.5 works fine here. Actually seems a bit faster than normal.
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com
Thanks for mentioning this, Joerg. The Philips site was very poor a while
ago so I stopped using it. But they have made significant improvements and
it seems very usable now:)
Regards,
Mike Monett
Pooh Bear
Mike Monett wrote:
No problem here either with a slightly older version of Opera.
Graham
Mike Monett
news:e42veh$fc0$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:
>> Firefox 1.0.7 myself. Love it! I particularly like being able to
>> individually set "fluff" by site.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
> Was using Firefox no problem before Opera. Only changed cos' Opera
> loaded 3 seconds faster.
> john
Same here - Opera loads much faster than Firefox or MSIE. It is also much
easier to change options. Firefox is cumbersome and lacks most of the neat
things Opera has, so I don't use it much. Only on some sites that require
bizarre behavior. Even then I often end up loading MSIE. But then I make
sure the firewall is running properly:)
Oddly enough, Netscape 2.02 is still used regularly for a number of tasks,
such as downloading pdf and exe files. I also wrote a simple program to
convert the Netscape bookmarks into a two-column html page showing all the
links. This becomes the home page for Opera, Firefox, MSIE, and Netscape,
which is very convenient since they all show the same thing.
Regards,
Mike Monett
Mike Monett
news:cn79g.16245$Lm5....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
[...]
> Ok, did it a few times: When searching AN439 I get a few hits and
> clicking one yields the app note (one that I was actually looking
> for). But for that to work you need a priori knowledge about the
> existence of a certain app note.
> When perusing the list on the micro controller page and clicking AN439
> from there I get, you guesed it, the soccer ball. Well, at least by
> now it has been hammered into my head that there is a FIFA World Cup
> this year and that there is a Philips chip inside the tickets. Doesn't
> say how much the tickets are...
>
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com
Hello Joerg,
I couldn't even find AN439 or AN-439 using the Philips search. I had to go
to google, which gave
AN439 87C751 fast nicad charger
http://www.jp.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/applicationnotes/AN439.pdf
But no bouncing ball.
Regards,
Mike
Joerg
>
>> From where are you trying? From California I see lots of latency.
>
> Ontario, Canada. Maybe 120 miles North of Speff.
>
Hmm, that shouldn't be much different in latency for EU sites, at least
not by more than a factor of two. Although, right now Philips times out
again whereas www.st.com is around 200msec from California. Usually
Philips is around 180msec.
What I wonder is why small companies like Cadsoft (Germany) manage
latencies of 30msec to California. They must do something right. Maybe
Philips should send a few of their web site designers there.
Regards, Joerg
mrda...@gmail.com
Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:30:59 +0100, "John Jardine."
> <jo...@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mike Monett" <N...@email.adr> wrote in message
> >news:Xns97C1AC0E14...@216.196.97.131...
> >>
> >> I'm running Opera 8.54 with javascript, animated gifs, images and
> >> popups turned off.
> >>
> >> Mike Monett
> >
> >Same here!. Been using Opera for past year, absolutely no problem.
> >A pleasure not seeing any fluff and junk.
> >john
> >
>
> Firefox 1.0.7 myself. Love it! I particularly like being able to
> individually set "fluff" by site.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Time to upgrade to firefox 2.0. ;)
mrda...@gmail.com
sorry, meant to say firefox 1.5. ;)
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
I had firefox 0.9 awhile ago, downloaded files would be broken
sometimes, but all fixed now in the latest version.
here at work we're forced to use aaaIEeee. at least activex is
disabled...
Jim Thompson
>
>mrdarr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
>> >
>> > Firefox 1.0.7 myself. Love it! I particularly like being able to
>> > individually set "fluff" by site.
>> >
>> > ...Jim Thompson
>>
>> Time to upgrade to firefox 2.0. ;)
>
>sorry, meant to say firefox 1.5. ;)
>
>http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
>
>I had firefox 0.9 awhile ago, downloaded files would be broken
>sometimes, but all fixed now in the latest version.
>
>here at work we're forced to use aaaIEeee. at least activex is
>disabled...
I'm one of those types who refrain from "upgrading", only to be
burned.
I'm regretting that, in my haste to get a replacement system on the
air, I bought one with WinXP already installed on it.
Anyone gone back to Win2K from WinXP?
Spehro Pefhany
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On 12 May 2006 16:10:48 -0700, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>mrdarr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>[snip]
>>> >
>>> > Firefox 1.0.7 myself. Love it! I particularly like being able to
>>> > individually set "fluff" by site.
>>> >
>>> > ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>> Time to upgrade to firefox 2.0. ;)
>>
>>sorry, meant to say firefox 1.5. ;)
>>
>>http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
>>
>>I had firefox 0.9 awhile ago, downloaded files would be broken
>>sometimes, but all fixed now in the latest version.
>>
>>here at work we're forced to use aaaIEeee. at least activex is
>>disabled...
>
>I'm one of those types who refrain from "upgrading", only to be
>burned.
>
>I'm regretting that, in my haste to get a replacement system on the
>air, I bought one with WinXP already installed on it.
>
>Anyone gone back to Win2K from WinXP?
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Should work fine, just start from a formatted disk like you would with
a newly built machine. If you're nervous about it, pop a new drive in
there and start with that, you can always unplug it and go back to the
original, and huge drives are almost free these days. If it works out
okay, you can leave both drives in there.
mrda...@gmail.com
Jim Thompson wrote:
> On 12 May 2006 16:10:48 -0700, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >mrdarr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Jim Thompson wrote:
> [snip]
> >> >
> >> > Firefox 1.0.7 myself. Love it! I particularly like being able to
> >> > individually set "fluff" by site.
> >> >
> >> > ...Jim Thompson
> >>
> >> Time to upgrade to firefox 2.0. ;)
> >
> >sorry, meant to say firefox 1.5. ;)
> >
> >http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
> >
> >I had firefox 0.9 awhile ago, downloaded files would be broken
> >sometimes, but all fixed now in the latest version.
> >
> >here at work we're forced to use aaaIEeee. at least activex is
> >disabled...
>
> I'm one of those types who refrain from "upgrading", only to be
> burned.
>
> I'm regretting that, in my haste to get a replacement system on the
> air, I bought one with WinXP already installed on it.
>
> Anyone gone back to Win2K from WinXP?
Funny you should ask... I was forced to do just that, after upgrading
my mainboard.
Joerg
>
> I couldn't even find AN439 or AN-439 using the Philips search. I had to go
> to google, which gave
>
> AN439 87C751 fast nicad charger
>
> http://www.jp.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/applicationnotes/AN439.pdf
>
That's the other issue with that site. One day it finds stuff, the next
day it might not.
> But no bouncing ball.
>
It didn't bounce but the ball was there :-)
Regards, Joerg
Pooh Bear
Joerg wrote:
> Hello Mike,
>
> >
> > I couldn't even find AN439 or AN-439 using the Philips search. I had to go
> > to google, which gave
> >
> > AN439 87C751 fast nicad charger
> >
> > http://www.jp.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/applicationnotes/AN439.pdf
>
> That's the other issue with that site. One day it finds stuff, the next
> day it might not.
The giveaway is in the URL.
Go to the Japanese Philips site and it does find AN439. So does the UK one too.
But global doesn't !
Graham
Adrian Tuddenham
> Joerg <notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote in
> news:Fp49g.16175$Lm5....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
>
> > Tried to open some 80C51 app notes. Ok, I got used to that web site
> > being sluggish, waiting for stock quotes and all that nonsense. But
> > now whenever I click on an app note some glitz page with a soccer ball
> > comes up.
> >
> > What's going on over there?
> >
> > Regards, Joerg
> >
> > http://www.analogconsultants.com
>
> Joerg,
>
> Did a quick search and downloaded IC22_AN425,
> "PCF8584 interfacing I2C-bus controller to 80C51" with no problems.
>
> No stock quotes, no bouncing ball, nothing strange. In fact, the site seems
> a lot faster and easier to use than in days past.
It's pretty awful here using iCab 2.9.8
The first page hung around displaying nothing for about 30 seconds, then
locked the browser up in an infinite loop. Cancelling the loop gave a
page full of eye-candy.
A second attempt crashed the browser completely.
Perhaps it partly depends on how different browsers handle Javascript.
--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk
Joerg
Yes, and sometimes you find it on the global site (I did find AN439,
sometimes). Other times not. That is a problem with several EU semi
sites. IMHO this is a higher level management problem.
Regards, Joerg
Joerg
>
> I'm one of those types who refrain from "upgrading", only to be
> burned.
>
Same here. If it ain't broken don't fix it.
> I'm regretting that, in my haste to get a replacement system on the
> air, I bought one with WinXP already installed on it.
>
Done the same on my last PC purchase but they told me that this time I
couldn't have NT5 on there anymore. On the previous one I cajoled them
into the older OS. The guy taking my order seemed in utter disbelief
about it. Why on earth...? Had to pay $100 extra for the privilege of
rejecting Gates' latest and "greatest" :-(
> Anyone gone back to Win2K from WinXP?
>
When the dreaded XP croaked (again) I called Dell. A lady from a call
center picked up, sounded like India. She was extremely knowledgeable.
So at the end of the conversation I asked her why I was told I couldn't
have NT5 on it. She explained in detail which parts of the hardware do
not have any drivers other than for XP. I'd have to look up my
conversation notes but it was at least two. So, depending on the HW in
your machine you might be stuck with XP because there may be no other
drivers for some parts in that PC.
Regards, Joerg
martin griffith
Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On 12 May 2006 16:10:48 -0700, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>mrdarr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>[snip]
>>> >
>>> > Firefox 1.0.7 myself. Love it! I particularly like being able to
>>> > individually set "fluff" by site.
>>> >
>>> > ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>> Time to upgrade to firefox 2.0. ;)
>>
>>sorry, meant to say firefox 1.5. ;)
>>
>>http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
>>
>>I had firefox 0.9 awhile ago, downloaded files would be broken
>>sometimes, but all fixed now in the latest version.
>>
>>here at work we're forced to use aaaIEeee. at least activex is
>>disabled...
>
>I'm one of those types who refrain from "upgrading", only to be
>burned.
>
>I'm regretting that, in my haste to get a replacement system on the
>air, I bought one with WinXP already installed on it.
>
>Anyone gone back to Win2K from WinXP?
>
> ...Jim Thompson
As a PC non-guru, I found the easiest way to try an upgrade is to
buy a spare harddrive, and see if it installs on that, and works on
your PC hardware. If all your application data is on another drive
(fat chance?), you are sorted.
I tried this, for fun,with UBUNTU and the MacOS X crack. Ubuntu is
stunning, but none of my PC apps would work :-(
martin
Michael
>
> Tried to open some 80C51 app notes. Ok, I got used to that web site
> being sluggish, waiting for stock quotes and all that nonsense. But now
> whenever I click on an app note some glitz page with a soccer ball comes up.
>
> What's going on over there?
>
> Regards, Joerg
Microchip did something that biffs their web pages for my browser. Used to take
fives of seconds after browser said "done" for a page to appear. Now it still
takes fives of seconds *and* some hot links never make it. For example, when I
try to search for a PIC document, a page with a kazllion PIC types and the
instruction choose-a-PIC-type loads. Problem is, all of that text is just ...
text. No other menu; no hot link(s). Possibly Microchip has hired a
pimple-faced web master who is in love with Java (I keep Java-everything turned
OFF). So anyway .. I'm reduced to Googling the PIC-type while specifying
"PDF". This sorry state of affairs reminds me of how the Motorola site was
several years ago.
--
Michael
Mike Monett
news:St89g.16269$Lm5....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
Hello Joerg,
Just out of curiosity, what program do you use to measure latency? Most of
the time the web is fine, but sometimes it seems really slow. I wonder if
keeping tabs on latency would help.
There are a few sites that show worldwide internet speed but I didn't find
them useful so I didn't keep the urls. They didn't seem to relate to any of
the problems I was having at the time.
Regards,
Mike Monett
Joerg
>
> Just out of curiosity, what program do you use to measure latency? Most of
> the time the web is fine, but sometimes it seems really slow. I wonder if
> keeping tabs on latency would help.
>
Good old DOS. Jot down the IP address and then enter:
ping 255.255.255.255
One instant isn't representative because routing can be different at
times. However, I found that the sites of some large EU semi mfgs are
consistently slower (a lot slower) than those of smaller companies that
seem to know how to run it efficiently. Add to that the nonsensical
fluff the marketing guys put in and a site can quickly become useless.
Regards, Joerg
Mike Monett
news:i3u9g.86488$dW3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
Thanks, Joerg - when you say "IP address", I guess you mean a string of
numbers separated by periods, as opposed to a text string like
"www.google.com".
How do you convert a url into a number? (Amazing how clueless we can be and
still survive:)
Regards, Mike
Pooh Bear
Joerg wrote:
FYI I've tried pinging philips.com a few times and it just times out.
Cadsoft.de responds in 35ms.
Graham
Pooh Bear
Mike Monett wrote:
You can do either.
> How do you convert a url into a number? (Amazing how clueless we can be and
> still survive:)
Ummmm, I forget. This is what DNSs ( domain name servers ) are for.
Graham
Joerg
>>
>>>Just out of curiosity, what program do you use to measure latency?
>>>Most of the time the web is fine, but sometimes it seems really slow.
>>>I wonder if keeping tabs on latency would help.
>>
>>Good old DOS. Jot down the IP address and then enter:
>>
>>ping 255.255.255.255
>>
>>One instant isn't representative because routing can be different at
>>times. However, I found that the sites of some large EU semi mfgs are
>>consistently slower (a lot slower) than those of smaller companies
>>that seem to know how to run it efficiently. Add to that the
>>nonsensical fluff the marketing guys put in and a site can quickly
>>become useless.
>
> Thanks, Joerg - when you say "IP address", I guess you mean a string of
> numbers separated by periods, as opposed to a text string like
> "www.google.com".
>
> How do you convert a url into a number? (Amazing how clueless we can be and
> still survive:)
>
Just enter the web address first. As an example, for my web site you
would type:
ping www.analogconsultants.com
Then it comes back with the IP address for that domain. There are also
"Who is" databases but I find that a brief ping is faster. A few sites
may not allow others to ping them.
Regards, Joerg
Joerg
>
> FYI I've tried pinging philips.com a few times and it just times out.
>
Possibly they switched to dis-allowing pings. But in the past when I had
problems with that site it also sometimes timed out.
> Cadsoft.de responds in 35ms.
>
That small company sure knows how to ride the web. The best is their
support forum. Not some fancy, over-sophisticated and sluggish forms to
fill out. Nope, they use the plain old newsgroup format and offer groups
in different languages. It's wonderful and fast. It is one of the
reasons why I switched to their CAD package.
Regards, Joerg
Joerg
>
>>How do you convert a url into a number? (Amazing how clueless we can be and
>>still survive:)
>
> Ummmm, I forget. This is what DNSs ( domain name servers ) are for.
>
I still write down important ones. There were days when the DNS lookup
at my ISP was performing like a moped with a loose spark plug. In the
same way it's always good to have that dial-in number handy when
broadband packs up. Or fresh batteries for the flashlight when the power
goes :-)
Just ping www.whateverdomain.com and it'll tell you the IP address.
Regards, Joerg
Jim Thompson
Some sites are rigged to not respond to "ping".
However I tried a traceroute and gives me "Target not reached".
Pooh Bear
Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2006 01:05:05 +0100, Pooh Bear
> <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Joerg wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Mike,
> >>
> >> > Just out of curiosity, what program do you use to measure latency? Most of
> >> > the time the web is fine, but sometimes it seems really slow. I wonder if
> >> > keeping tabs on latency would help.
> >>
> >> Good old DOS. Jot down the IP address and then enter:
> >>
> >> ping 255.255.255.255
> >>
> >> One instant isn't representative because routing can be different at
> >> times. However, I found that the sites of some large EU semi mfgs are
> >> consistently slower (a lot slower) than those of smaller companies that
> >> seem to know how to run it efficiently. Add to that the nonsensical
> >> fluff the marketing guys put in and a site can quickly become useless.
> >
> >FYI I've tried pinging philips.com a few times and it just times out.
> >
> >Cadsoft.de responds in 35ms.
> >
> >Graham
>
> Some sites are rigged to not respond to "ping".
>
> However I tried a traceroute and gives me "Target not reached".
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Tracert gets me only part of the way there, to philips-gw.customer.alter.net .
Graham
Michael A. Terrell
http://www.dnsstuff.com/ is a handy site.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Spehro Pefhany
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 14 May 2006 01:05:05 +0100, Pooh Bear
><rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Joerg wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Mike,
>>>
>>> > Just out of curiosity, what program do you use to measure latency? Most of
>>> > the time the web is fine, but sometimes it seems really slow. I wonder if
>>> > keeping tabs on latency would help.
>>>
>>> Good old DOS. Jot down the IP address and then enter:
>>>
>>> ping 255.255.255.255
>>>
>>> One instant isn't representative because routing can be different at
>>> times. However, I found that the sites of some large EU semi mfgs are
>>> consistently slower (a lot slower) than those of smaller companies that
>>> seem to know how to run it efficiently. Add to that the nonsensical
>>> fluff the marketing guys put in and a site can quickly become useless.
>>
>>FYI I've tried pinging philips.com a few times and it just times out.
>>
>>Cadsoft.de responds in 35ms.
>>
>>Graham
>
>Some sites are rigged to not respond to "ping".
>
>However I tried a traceroute and gives me "Target not reached".
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Apparently traceroute and ping use very similar methods, just
traceroute attempts to ping all the computers at every hop inbetween.
YD
No need, it looks it up automatically. Just type "ping
www.whatever.com" (without the quotes) in a DOS window. It'll return
"pinging www.whatever.com (123.123.123.123)" and a list of response
times. Type "ping /?" for a list of options and some explanations.
Another interesting program is traceroute. It tells you how many hops
it takes to reach a site and which routers it goes through. Type
"tracert www.somesite.com" or /? for help.
These two are command line utilities, you can find some Windows
programs that do it in GUI. Take a look in nonags.com.
Note that some sites currently don't respond to ping requests due to
abuse.
- YD.
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JeffM
Assuming that you mean *Windoze* apps,
did you try WINE or Crossover Office?
martin griffith
<jef...@email.com> wrote:
I was trying my PCB layout program, Tango, it's dongled, didnt have
much luck
martin
Tim Shoppa
> Hmm, that shouldn't be much different in latency for EU sites, at least
> not by more than a factor of two. Although, right now Philips times out
> again whereas www.st.com is around 200msec from California. Usually
> Philips is around 180msec.
>
> What I wonder is why small companies like Cadsoft (Germany) manage
> latencies of 30msec to California.
Well, California to Germany and back is probably what, 9000 miles?
At the speed of light that's one-twentieth of a second, 50 ms.
So if you are truly getting 30 msec between California and Germany,
you're way ahead of the rest of us who have to OBEY the laws of general
relativity. In fact I strictly enforce those laws in my house :-).
More likely, with 30 ms ping times, they have hosting in California.
One could argue that, for example, the Philips home page has zero
actual information content and is thus exempt from the laws of
relativity.
Tim.
Joerg
>
>>Hmm, that shouldn't be much different in latency for EU sites, at least
>>not by more than a factor of two. Although, right now Philips times out
>>again whereas www.st.com is around 200msec from California. Usually
>>Philips is around 180msec.
>>
>>What I wonder is why small companies like Cadsoft (Germany) manage
>>latencies of 30msec to California.
>
> Well, California to Germany and back is probably what, 9000 miles?
>
> At the speed of light that's one-twentieth of a second, 50 ms.
>
> So if you are truly getting 30 msec between California and Germany,
> you're way ahead of the rest of us who have to OBEY the laws of general
> relativity. In fact I strictly enforce those laws in my house :-).
>
> More likely, with 30 ms ping times, they have hosting in California.
>
Yes, but it doesn't have to be California. Good companies run multiple
hosting sites. Heck, even my web site does. Mainly for the case that one
site goes down.
> One could argue that, for example, the Philips home page has zero
> actual information content and is thus exempt from the laws of
> relativity.
>
Their web site is crummy IMHO but in all fairness their data sheets are
truly superb. When I need really exhaustive info, say, on a CMOS logic
chip because I am planning some rather unorthodox use Philips is where I
look first. Then I store the info locally to avoid the frustrating
process of finding it again.
Regards, Joerg
Mike Monett
news:7Hu9g.86498$dW3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
>
>> How do you convert a url into a number? (Amazing how clueless we can
>> be and still survive:)
> Just enter the web address first. As an example, for my web site you
> would type:
> ping www.analogconsultants.com
>
> Then it comes back with the IP address for that domain. There are also
> "Who is" databases but I find that a brief ping is faster. A few sites
> may not allow others to ping them.
>
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com
Thanks, Joerg. That works well, but it looks like you have to memorize the
url in order to type it in DOS. If you run it from the start menu, it exits
before you have a chance to see the results. I tried making a desktop icon,
but couldn't find a way to enter the url. So I searched for a Windows
version that would allow copy and paste.
I found a couple of free Windows programs you might like. They were posted
to the web on March 10 so maybe you haven't come across them yet. Both are
about 880k installed which is fairly large, but not as bad as some others I
tried. The programs are "Free Visual Ping" and "Free Visual Trace Route" at
The Ping program gives your IP address as 82.165.198.253, with approximate
round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 127ms, Maximum = 357ms, Average = 144ms
The traceroute shows 18 hops from here, with numbers ranging from 104 to
177 milliseconds.
Not too bad for a couple of free programs! And you can simply copy and
paste the urls so there's no typing involved.
Regards,
Mike Monett
Michael A. Terrell
Run ping from a batch file if you want to see the results before you
close the DOS box:
***********************************************
This is a example of my ping "name.bat" file:
ping www.google.com
***********************************************
This is a example of my ping "number.bat" file:
ping 24.110.34.161
***********************************************
Just put ping and whatever you want to hit in the batch file, save it,
and run it.
Mike Monett
news:44668B03...@earthlink.net:
> http://www.dnsstuff.com/ is a handy site.
Thanks, Mike. That is a very handy site. I couldn't get traceroute to work,
but the ping and other things work fine. The whois is useful - my old whois
url made you sign in with a password:)
I added it to my bookmarks.
Regards,
Mike Monett
JeffM
>> Joerg
>
>it looks like you have to memorize the url in order to type it in DOS.
>If you run it from the start menu,
>it exits before you have a chance to see the results.
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this."
"Don't do that."
Get an actual command line first:
Start, Run, Open COMMAND
or
Start, Run, Open CMD
Ping from there.
Mike Monett
news:5ZI9g.26890$4L1....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
> Their web site is crummy IMHO but in all fairness their data sheets are
> truly superb. When I need really exhaustive info, say, on a CMOS logic
> chip because I am planning some rather unorthodox use Philips is where I
> look first. Then I store the info locally to avoid the frustrating
> process of finding it again.
>
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com
Love the "unorthodox use" - can you give more info?
Agree on the datasheets but I usually end up keeping one from NatSem, one
from TI, and maybe also Siemens. There is often just enough scraps of
additional info to make it worthwile.
Now, Joerg, after you get several hundred thousand app notes and datasheets
stored on your hard disk, how do you find the one you are looking for?
I wrote my own index software that runs in DOS and generates a commented
entry for each file on my hard disk. The disk is partitioned into 2 gig
segments to keep DOS happy. Then a simple Boyer-Moore search program finds
any file on the hard disk about a second or so.
How do you manage to solve this problem?
Regards,
Mike Monett
Michael A. Terrell
I just found it a couple weeks ago, but it's handy to find where spam
is coming from when posted through Goggle.
Michael A. Terrell
Or click on my quicklaunch task bar, select the batch file I want to
run and click it. I can send the batch file to wordpad, edit it, save
it and run it whenever I need it for a problematic website.
Carl Smith
@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, sho...@trailing-edge.com says...
> One could argue that, for example, the Philips home page has zero
> actual information content and is thus exempt from the laws of
> relativity.
>
Maybe their network is wired with those FTL cables that someone
occasionally posts about? :-)
Rich Grise
> Hello Jim,
>
>> I'm one of those types who refrain from "upgrading", only to be
>> burned.
>
> Same here. If it ain't broken don't fix it.
>> I'm regretting that, in my haste to get a replacement system on the
>> air, I bought one with WinXP already installed on it.
>
> Done the same on my last PC purchase but they told me that this time I
> couldn't have NT5 on there anymore. On the previous one I cajoled them
> into the older OS. The guy taking my order seemed in utter disbelief
> about it. Why on earth...? Had to pay $100 extra for the privilege of
> rejecting Gates' latest and "greatest" :-(
>
>> Anyone gone back to Win2K from WinXP?
>
> When the dreaded XP croaked (again) I called Dell. A lady from a call
> center picked up, sounded like India. She was extremely knowledgeable.
> So at the end of the conversation I asked her why I was told I couldn't
> have NT5 on it. She explained in detail which parts of the hardware do
> not have any drivers other than for XP. I'd have to look up my
> conversation notes but it was at least two. So, depending on the HW in
> your machine you might be stuck with XP because there may be no other
> drivers for some parts in that PC.
>
Well, there's always Linux. There's only a couple of things I need to do
that really, really need Windows, and I've been looking into using WINE -
my first attempt resulted in an "I need to do more RTFM on this one"
moment. :-)
Cheers!
Rich
Joerg
>
> Love the "unorthodox use" - can you give more info?
>
Sorry, but those are designs for clients so I can't post much. Basically
it's the "semi-analog" use of CMOS logic chips. The real jewel in the
CD4000 series is the CD4007UBE, just take a look at that. Unfortunately
none of the other families offer anything like it, probably because that
art is lost with new grads who leave the universities with next to
nothing in true analog know-how.
I have designed switch mode converters around a few Schmitt inverters
and used unbuffered inverters such as the 74HCU04 (not HC04) for analog
functions, controlled resistors, gain control and so on. The last design
(currently in layout) will feature ye olde 74HC14 on a analog board.
What you have to watch out for when doing this is cross currents. Mainly
for the output pair but in the case of buffered devices also for younger
stages. This is where good specsmanship comes in and Philips indeed
excels here. You need to be able to gauge cross currents reliably over
the expected supply voltage range and also across process (lot to lot)
tolerance.
> Now, Joerg, after you get several hundred thousand app notes and datasheets
> stored on your hard disk, how do you find the one you are looking for?
>
> I wrote my own index software that runs in DOS and generates a commented
> entry for each file on my hard disk. The disk is partitioned into 2 gig
> segments to keep DOS happy. Then a simple Boyer-Moore search program finds
> any file on the hard disk about a second or so.
>
> How do you manage to solve this problem?
>
Mostly very low tech, printed and filed. I have an alphabetical hanging
file system in the office. Then there is an electronic file directory
called "Parts" and it contains subdirectories such as "National" and
"TI". Sometimes it has a third level like a sub-directory for the MSP430
under "TI".
Regards, Joerg
qrk
<notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
>Hello Mike,
>
>>
>>> From where are you trying? From California I see lots of latency.
>>
>> Ontario, Canada. Maybe 120 miles North of Speff.
>>
>
>Hmm, that shouldn't be much different in latency for EU sites, at least
>not by more than a factor of two. Although, right now Philips times out
>again whereas www.st.com is around 200msec from California. Usually
>Philips is around 180msec.
>
>What I wonder is why small companies like Cadsoft (Germany) manage
>latencies of 30msec to California. They must do something right. Maybe
>Philips should send a few of their web site designers there.
>
>Regards, Joerg
>
>http://www.analogconsultants.com
Hopping across the Atlantic invokes a latency around 120 ms. Don't see
how you got 30 ms to www.cadsoft.de. However, if you pinged
www.cadsoft.com, you would be pinging a server in San Diego.
Traceroute (tracert in Windoze) is a nicer way of seeing where your
latency issue are. Better yet, a program called Ping Plotter.
---
Mark
Jim Thompson
If I ping www.cadsoft.de with NetScanTools I get 157-161 ms.
If I ping www.cadsoft.com with NetScanTools I get 21-24 ms.
(From Phoenix, Cox Cable)
Joerg
>
> Hopping across the Atlantic invokes a latency around 120 ms. Don't see
> how you got 30 ms to www.cadsoft.de. However, if you pinged
> www.cadsoft.com, you would be pinging a server in San Diego.
> Traceroute (tracert in Windoze) is a nicer way of seeing where your
> latency issue are. Better yet, a program called Ping Plotter.
>
That's why some sites from other countries seem to be mirrored in the
US. For example, the site of the popular German TV station ZDF
(www.zdf.de) regularly pings 30msec from California. Tracert shows it
coming out of San Jose, about 100 Miles from here.
Sites that don't mirror should refrain from lots of called sub-files and
external links. It makes the web experience miserable for anyone outside
their continent. But many web designer don't seem to understand. Maybe
they snoozed through physics classes in school.
Regards, Joerg
qrk
I doubt many web designers took physics courses. They probably mistook
psychics 101 for physics 101. Don't get me started on crappy web
pages!
---
Mark
Joerg
>
> I doubt many web designers took physics courses. They probably mistook
> psychics 101 for physics 101. Don't get me started on crappy web
> pages!
>
It's still sad when large corporations fall for the bling-bling web
designers and end up with useless web portals. Many semi mfgs are in
that group. It's the same phenomenon as with real engineers. They look
for glitzy credentials, young age and cheap wages instead of paying
attention to experience. Else they wouldn't let scores of older folks go
(usually the most stupid decision a company can make).
Regards, Joerg