PROTEL question
oran...@mail.ru
what would be easiest way to do that?
Terry Given
> I'd like to fit two or more schematics/PCBs on the same sheet (A4),
> what would be easiest way to do that?
>
grind them into powder, and sprinkle onto an adhesive coated sheet of A4 :)
Cheers
Terry
jme...@nowhere.net
>I'd like to fit two or more schematics/PCBs on the same sheet (A4),
>what would be easiest way to do that?
Have you tried Protel's copy and paste ability? Which version of Protel
are you using?
If you only want to print two schematics on one piece of paper for
documentation, then there are many other ways to do it.
Jim
oran...@mail.ru
ANY pcb design software. The schematics are very, very simple, couple
of resistors and few chips. When I try component autoplacing and
autorouting, PROTEL makes really small PCBs. It does seem to be
possible to fit several schematics to one PCB, but what happens to
labels if for eg. both schematics have R1 and R2? Please tell me if
there is better way..
I'm not sure what should be copy and where it should be pasted, PCBs or
schematics ? Do I make seperate PCBs for all schematics and then paste
them somewhere?
BTW, each PCB should have its own +5V and GND
Rene Tschaggelar
You should become member and user of the altium forums at :
http://www.altium.com
No, you cannot have multiple schematics on one pcb without
some tricks. The tricks consist of copy/pasting multiple
fully layed out pcbs into one, thereby giving up on the
design-rule-checks, as multiple nets are called the same.
There is also a feature called paneling, though I haven't
tested it yet.
Rene
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oran...@mail.ru
(seperate) PCBs onto one sheet , right?
Bob Stephens
Most reasonable size PCB projects are multi - sheet "hierarchical" designs.
DXP 2004 comes with pretty good tutorials on how to set this up. Basically
you create a top level master schematic which contains sheet symbols for
all subordinate drawings and modules or ports showing the interconnecting
labels. If your only problem is multiple parts with the same names. DXP
will automatically re-annotate your schematic.
Bob
oran...@mail.ru
sheet simply because the guy who makes PCBs doesn't do any smaller than
1dmx1dm, so a lot of space would be wasted if every board was on
different PCB. I want them all on one and to cut them afterwards.
Roger Hamlett
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up multiple copies of the same work on one sheet, and even leave areas
unused, allow for the guillotine clearances etc.. Spaces also have to be
left, for things like the electrode attachment points. This is not
something the user would normally do (except for making a multi-board
'set', where the whole set comprises one assembly), since it is not as
simple as chosing a 1dm*1dm space and packing all the boards into this, if
this is the 'working' size. If you do need to lay them out like this, then
just duplicate the finished board 'into' a larger sheet size, with
suitable gaps.
Best Wishes
Rene Tschaggelar
I'm aslo sometimes doing this. If I know it beforehand,
I just draw several schematic oto one sheet. The naming
of the nets defines whether DXp wants them connected or not.
If everything fails, you can cut/paste the gerbers
together with the camtastic subtool of DXP.
Spehro Pefhany
>I see, thanks. But then there must be some easy way to print several
>(seperate) PCBs onto one sheet , right?
A lot of times a different piece of software is used to combine, check
and panelize the gerbers-- those tasks are not done in the design
software. FabFactory has some software for this purpose, but the board
houses seem to use stuff that is not well known outside of the
industry. It's very quick for them, and the software takes into
account their actual equipment and tools, which has advantages for
both sides.
This is analagous to, say, me making a design in a CAD program, and
the company producing the part using their own CAM software to
generate the g-codes to drive their specific machinery using their
tooling. Or me producing an output file for a printing company from
Quark or Indesign on a PC and the printing company internally creating
the "signatures" from the sheets on a high-end Mac.
Sometimes, due to pricing quirks on PCB prototypes, it appears to be
significantly cheaper if you combine parts yourself, and I suspect
that's why you're asking. If that's the case, you might shop around
for suppliers who have different quirks or are more flexible.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Ken Taylor
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> oran...@mail.ru wrote:
>
>> er.. I forgot to tell: PCBs are totaly seperated, I want them on single
>> sheet simply because the guy who makes PCBs doesn't do any smaller than
>> 1dmx1dm, so a lot of space would be wasted if every board was on
>> different PCB. I want them all on one and to cut them afterwards.
>>
>
>
> I'm aslo sometimes doing this. If I know it beforehand,
> I just draw several schematic oto one sheet. The naming
> of the nets defines whether DXp wants them connected or not.
> If everything fails, you can cut/paste the gerbers
> together with the camtastic subtool of DXP.
>
> Rene
> --
will fill in the boring details. :-) Isn't there a facility whereby you can
make up a 'block' of a circuit with defined inputs and outputs and insert
multiple copies of that 'block' onto the schematic? In the OP's instance,
these blocks would be isolated of course, but this way the net-checking will
recognize the different nets.
Ken
Terry Given
I've done what you want in 99SE, but I forget exactly how - there is a
way when copy/pasting to prevent slowtel from automatically buggering up
ref-des etc. never tried in DXP. oh, and you cant DRC etc. afterwards,
so do it on the individual PCBs, then dont fiddle post-paste.
Or do it properly, with different nets on the various sch's so DRC will
work fine
Cheers
Terry
Bo
Then cut/paste the PCB file gerber files into one for each layer. Should
work fine. (at this point you're out of any CAD intelligence about nets,
component ref designators, etc)...
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Genome
"Spehro Pefhany" <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
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> On 15 Aug 2005 06:23:52 -0700, the renowned oran...@mail.ru wrote:
>
> >I see, thanks. But then there must be some easy way to print several
> >(seperate) PCBs onto one sheet , right?
>
> A lot of times a different piece of software is used to combine, check
> and panelize the gerbers-- those tasks are not done in the design
> software. FabFactory has some software for this purpose, but the board
> houses seem to use stuff that is not well known outside of the
> industry. It's very quick for them, and the software takes into
> account their actual equipment and tools, which has advantages for
> both sides.
>
> This is analagous to, say, me making a design in a CAD program, and
> the company producing the part using their own CAM software to
> generate the g-codes to drive their specific machinery using their
> tooling. Or me producing an output file for a printing company from
> Quark or Indesign on a PC and the printing company internally creating
> the "signatures" from the sheets on a high-end Mac.
>
> Sometimes, due to pricing quirks on PCB prototypes, it appears to be
> significantly cheaper if you combine parts yourself, and I suspect
> that's why you're asking. If that's the case, you might shop around
> for suppliers who have different quirks or are more flexible.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany
I was almost thinking something different.....
Did you really mean that or did you spend extra time to explain it in a more
understandable way?
DNA
Spehro Pefhany
<ilike...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I was almost thinking something different.....
>
>Did you really mean that or did you spend extra time to explain it in a more
>understandable way?
>
>DNA
You're probably right.
oran...@mail.ru
cant find anywhere option for changing PCB size after closing the
wizard, placing all the components and autorouting, is it even possible
to change it now?
Frank Bemelman
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Sure, board shape is typically drawn on mechanical layer1, and
then there's the keepout layer, often the same shape as the board.
Edit/resize whatever is on those layers.
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Bob Stephens
That's one thing Protel does pretty well. In DXP 2004,
Design
Board Shape
Redefine
Define from Selected objects.
I do this all the time, in fact, I don't use the wizard at all.
Bob
JeffM
I notice that you don't include context when you respond.
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See how I went back and added a bit of your previous post to this post?
That is called **context**.
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Rich Grise (pointedly) remarks on context here:
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