What's this newsgroup for?
Michael
Could someone please explain to me the purpose of this newsgroup? According
to: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Groups.html
It says "Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits."
Is that the design of existing circuits as well as one's that people are in
the process of designing?
Michael
The Real Andy
This news group is primarily for politics and religion followed very
closely by food and cooking. Occasionally someone throws in some
electronics related stuff, but that should always prepended (that
word's very geeky) with an "OT:" in the subject line.
bill....@ieee.org
Absolutely. The ego-maniacs who constitute the core of this group never
miss a chance to demonstrate how clever they are. By the natureof
things, we are cleverer about exisitng circuits - where we've had a
chance to make all the regular mistakes - than we are about new
circuits (not that we see all that many circuits which we are prepared
to recognise as new).
We also discuss a large number of other subjects amongst ourselves -
the general rule is that if the thread isn't about electronics, it
isn't worth following.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen (but in Sydney at the moment)
PeteS
As designers are relevant to the design of electronic circuits (well,
depending on the designers and who you ask around here) one might say
anything they think of might be relevant.
If you were capable of following that, you might be ok around here
Cheers
PeteS
John Larkin
<mqiqcqhqaqe...@qbqlquqeqyqoqnqdqeqrq.qcqoq.quqkq> wrote:
It's unmoderated: nobody makes rules.
What are you designing lately?
John
Jim Thompson
Sno-o-o-o-ort ;-)
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Don Lancaster
The sole purpose of a usenet newsgroup is to gang bang the cripples.
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Michael Black
ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/m/mzenier/seguide9706.txt
which I now see is the same text that you were pointing to.
Too often people are confusing this with sci.electronics.basics That's
where you should be asking beginner type questions, not just because
they don't belong here, but because you are more likely to get an answer
on par with the level of the question.
The guide is descriptive, it says "The design group is for persons
combining components into circuits" which would tend to rule out
existing equipment.
This is not supposed to be a tutorial newsgroup, so a curiosity
about an existing design likely doesn't fit. It might apply to
the equipment newsgroup, though I've never looked in there, because
asking about the design might be relevant to what you purchase.
But if it's some circuit you don't understand, be it in an
existing piece of equipment or a schematic you saw somewhere, it
likely belongs in sci.electronics.basics Because you are seeking
understanding in itself, and that's what that newsgroup is for.
Michael
martin griffith
Nah, it's a competiton of egos between the country that designed the
Spruce Goose Vs the continent who are building several A380s'
martin
PeteS
I fail to see the difference ;)
Cheers
PeteS
martin griffith
Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
>Michael wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Could someone please explain to me the purpose of this newsgroup? According
>> to: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Groups.html
>>
>> It says "Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits."
>>
>> Is that the design of existing circuits as well as one's that people are in
>> the process of designing?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>
>The sole purpose of a usenet newsgroup is to gang bang the cripples.
Give the republicans a break........
martin
Ancient_Hacker
martin griffith wrote:
> Nah, it's a competiton of egos between the country that designed the
> Spruce Goose Vs the continent who are building several A380s'
... and the Goose during 5 years only managed to consume about 1/50th
the money Airbus lost just last quarter. :)
mrda...@gmail.com
Oh, are the A380s finally rolling out, then? No more delays? ;-)
By the way, the country that designed the Spruce Goose also designed
the SR-71 Blackbird and the Boeing 747. ;-)
Michael
mrda...@gmail.com
Well, the Goose designers didn't have RoHS to contend with back then...
;-)
martin griffith
mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
Loved the 747s' 1G roll on its' press demo, the A380 press day was
boring, and you can't land another plane for several minutes cos of
the turbulance, great.....
http://www1.airliners.net/open.file/1091105/L/
martin
Don Lancaster
machine and could not get furthre off the ground.
mrda...@gmail.com
Neato:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A380
Can't wait till it makes it to all airlines.
Since it's more massive than the 747, would its mass tend to dampen out
the unpleasant effects of air turbulence? I fly on Boeing 737s
regularly from Sacramento to Southern California for work, and man, the
Santa Ana winds just blow that thing all over the place. Rocking like
a boat. Can't remember turbulence being as bad on a 747. Even
takeoffs are smoother on a 747 (more gradual slope).
Michael
mrda...@gmail.com
Don Lancaster wrote:
> mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Ancient_Hacker wrote:
> >
> >>martin griffith wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nah, it's a competiton of egos between the country that designed the
> >>>Spruce Goose Vs the continent who are building several A380s'
> >>
> >>
> >>... and the Goose during 5 years only managed to consume about 1/50th
> >>the money Airbus lost just last quarter. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, the Goose designers didn't have RoHS to contend with back then...
> > ;-)
> >
> It apparently turned out tht the Goose was strictly a ground effect
> machine and could not get furthre off the ground.
Maybe a few more engines would'a done it...
lang...@ieee.org
wasn't that a 707 ?
-Lasse
John Popelish
In my opinion, it is a place for discussion between
electronics designers. If you are a person trying to
understand how the basic components work, you are not yet a
designer and should be using the .basics group. But
otherwise, any discussion about any aspect of electronics
design seems appropriate to me.
Joerg
This presupposes (also a very geeky word) that each participant has
really strong political convictions and is always at the ready to duke
it out ;-)
--
Regards, Joerg
Joerg
If they can get the A380 wiring confusion sorted out, that is.
Joerg
One of my clients is in L.A. so I fly between SMF and LAX. Usually
Southwest Airlines flights 1739 and 2433. Ain't that bad with the winds,
just a wee rocking of the cradle. Try the North Sea in October or so in
an old Bell Sea-King helicopter ;-)
Before boarding the Bell we had to don survival suits. In case we auger
in, they said. "Does it ever really happen?" ... "Oh, ask Joe over
there. Hey, Bill, where was it that you guys turfed it?"
Eeyore
Ancient_Hacker wrote:
How many Spruce Geese were sold though ?
Graham
Eeyore
Eeyore
martin griffith wrote:
I thought that roll was the 707.
Graham
Martine Riddle
news:jnfpm21ur6vvf46n6...@4ax.com...
Boeing's building Dozens of the new Dream liner. Just got a 5.7Billion deal
today.
Cheers
Eeyore
mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a flying building almost. The pilots' office is quite something too.
> Since it's more massive than the 747, would its mass tend to dampen out
> the unpleasant effects of air turbulence?
Yes, it should do that.
> I fly on Boeing 737s
> regularly from Sacramento to Southern California for work, and man, the
> Santa Ana winds just blow that thing all over the place. Rocking like
> a boat. Can't remember turbulence being as bad on a 747. Even
> takeoffs are smoother on a 747 (more gradual slope).
They're slower to take off too.
On an A380 once, the takeoff run was only 12 seconds from hitting the throttles to
leaving the tarmac. Lufthansa reputedly employ ex-Luftwafe pilots which may help
explain that !
Graham
Eeyore
Martine Riddle wrote:
The order book for the 380 is 166 last time I checked.
Graham
Rich Grise
> martin griffith wrote:
>> mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >martin griffith wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:56:29 GMT, in sci.electronics.design "Michael"
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Could someone please explain to me the purpose of this newsgroup? According
>> >> >to: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Groups.html
>> >> >
>> >> >It says "Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits."
>> >> >
>> >> >Is that the design of existing circuits as well as one's that people are in
>> >> >the process of designing?
>> >> >
>> >> Spruce Goose Vs the continent who are building several A380s'
>> >
>> >
>> >By the way, the country that designed the Spruce Goose also designed
>> >the SR-71 Blackbird and the Boeing 747. ;-)
>> >
>> boring, and you can't land another plane for several minutes cos of
>> the turbulance, great.....
>> http://www1.airliners.net/open.file/1091105/L/
>
>
That's the one I remember seeing:
http://www.aviationexplorer.com/707_roll_video.htm
But, I'm not claiming a 747 has never done it - one of the 9/11 planes
made it to about an 85 degree bank, but I think that was more of an
emergency turn. =:-O
I saw a video of a B-52 trying to do aerobatics, and it went in.
... Found a clip:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/B-52 Crash.mpg
Cheers!
Rich
Ancient_Hacker
Eeyore wrote:
>
> The order book for the 380 is 166 last time I checked.
>
> Graham
Only fly vin the ointment-- they need around 470 sold just to break
even accounting to the accountants.... A very tough business that
is....
Ancient_Hacker
lang...@ieee.org wrote:
>
> wasn't that a 707 ?
>
> -Lasse
"Tex" Johnson rolled a 707 during a scheduled fly-over of a watershow.
There's a picture somewhere out the window where the engines look
mighty unusual on the side of the wing away from the ground.
He also did it with a B-47 on it's handover flight to the USAF.
You can only do that if you're the chief test pilot and you know how to
do it while maintaining 1G all the way around. Which is quite a trick
if it's never been done before and there's no simulator.
I don't think it's been intentionally done with a 747. Test pilots
have gotten a tad more reticent over the years. That and the thought
of $150 mil being deducted from one's paycheck gives one pause.
AZ Nomad
>Hi,
>Could someone please explain to me the purpose of this newsgroup? According
>to: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Groups.html
>It says "Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits."
which word don't you understand?
James T. White
news:jA5bh.6062$wc5....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net
>
> One of my clients is in L.A. so I fly between SMF and LAX. Usually
> Southwest Airlines flights 1739 and 2433. Ain't that bad with the
> winds, just a wee rocking of the cradle. Try the North Sea in October
> or so in an old Bell Sea-King helicopter ;-)
>
> Before boarding the Bell we had to don survival suits. In case we
> auger in, they said. "Does it ever really happen?" ... "Oh, ask Joe
> over there. Hey, Bill, where was it that you guys turfed it?"
Survival suit just makes it easier to find the bodies........
--
James T. White
Michael Black
be trying to reconcile the guide to the sci.electronics.* hierarchy
with this actual newsgroup.
If you go by what's posted, it would be hard to figure out its purpose.
If someone didn't know there was a hierarchy, they might think it's
the only electronics related newsgroup, kind of like what we had in
reality back in 1995 before Mark Zenier went through the effort to
try to get things reorganized.
ANd of course, the fact that the purpose of the newsgroup is not
clear from the postings means that people post away based on
what they see, which just adds reinforcement to the muddled newsgroup.
People ask basic questions here, they ask consumer type questions here,
they ask about components, they post about the weather, and on and on.
I recall one time someone admitted the post likely didn't belong here,
but they thought they'd post anyway because it was a lot more active
newsgroup than sci.electronics.basics The joke was that there'd not
be the same level of traffic here if people actually posted where
things belonged.
Michael
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Well, I'm provolone and antipasto.
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martin griffith
lang...@ieee.org wrote:
>> Loved the 747s' 1G roll on its' press demo, the A380 press day was
>> boring, and you can't land another plane for several minutes cos of
>> the turbulance, great.....
>> http://www1.airliners.net/open.file/1091105/L/
>>
>>
>> martin
>
>wasn't that a 707 ?
>
>-Lasse
opps, yes,
martin
The Real Andy
I can say much, I hate politics and religion, but i do love food and
drinking. I contribute fuck all, but i like reading. I dont do
electronics anymore, just software (sometimes embedded). Did i mention
i like beer?
John Fields
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Indeed. and for the Merlin.
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bill....@ieee.org
martin griffith wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:32:09 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Don
> Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
>
> >Michael wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Could someone please explain to me the purpose of this newsgroup? According
> >> to: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Groups.html
> >>
> >> It says "Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits."
> >>
> >> Is that the design of existing circuits as well as one's that people are in
> >> the process of designing?
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> Give the republicans a break........
Why? What have they done for the rest of us but start a few pointless
wars, which they don't seem capable of finishing.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen (but in Sydney at the moment).
martin griffith
bill....@ieee.org wrote:
Well, they did manage to win the Grenada war, didn't they?
martin
mrda...@gmail.com
Last month, had to fly to Ontario Airport (yes it's in Southern
California), and the plane was somewhere east of the San Gabriel
mountains, about to make the turn west, when the "fun" began. Hoo boy.
Never been on a bumpier flight in my life.
Michael
Jim Thompson
[snip]
>
>
>Last month, had to fly to Ontario Airport (yes it's in Southern
>California), and the plane was somewhere east of the San Gabriel
>mountains, about to make the turn west, when the "fun" began. Hoo boy.
> Never been on a bumpier flight in my life.
>
>Michael
That area is tame. Try flying out of Colorado Springs in August
during a severe thunderstorm, in the Rockies, with half-dollar-sized
hail :-(
...Jim Thompson
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
SioL
> By the way, the country that designed the Spruce Goose also designed
> the SR-71 Blackbird and the Boeing 747. ;-)
>
> Michael
Which was designed by a guy of slovenian origin
http://slonews.sta.si/index.php?id=107&s=5
Joseph Sutter, the name comes from Suhadolc :)
SioL
mrda...@gmail.com
Jim Thompson wrote:
> On 29 Nov 2006 07:33:13 -0800, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >
> >
> >Last month, had to fly to Ontario Airport (yes it's in Southern
> >California), and the plane was somewhere east of the San Gabriel
> >mountains, about to make the turn west, when the "fun" began. Hoo boy.
> > Never been on a bumpier flight in my life.
> >
> >Michael
>
> That area is tame. Try flying out of Colorado Springs in August
> during a severe thunderstorm, in the Rockies, with half-dollar-sized
> hail :-(
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Thanks for the warning!
Is Denver Airport a wild ride during the winter months? Was thinking
of visiting Denver for the ski season...
Michael
Joerg
> Joerg wrote:
>
>>The Real Andy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:56:29 GMT, "Michael"
>>><mqiqcqhqaqe...@qbqlquqeqyqoqnqdqeqrq.qcqoq.quqkq> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Could someone please explain to me the purpose of this newsgroup? According
>>>>to: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Groups.html
>>>>
>>>>It says "Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits."
>>>>
>>>>Is that the design of existing circuits as well as one's that people are in
>>>>the process of designing?
>>>>
>>>>Michael
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This news group is primarily for politics and religion followed very
>>>closely by food and cooking. Occasionally someone throws in some
>>>electronics related stuff, but that should always prepended (that
>>>word's very geeky) with an "OT:" in the subject line.
>>
>>This presupposes (also a very geeky word) that each participant has
>>really strong political convictions and is always at the ready to duke
>>it out ;-)
>
>
> Well, I'm provolone and antipasto.
>
And I don't like Asti Spumanti :-)
Jim Thompson
I've not had issues at Denver, but that flight out of COS (*) is the
only flight I've been on where I feared I was going to die :-(
And I've been flying for 49 years.
(*) Only a problem in summer thunderstorm season. Winter has been
fine, except we had to turn back to Phoenix once due to excessive ice
on the runway ;-)
Jim Thompson
<notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
>Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
>
[snip]
>>
>>
>> Well, I'm provolone and antipasto.
>>
>
>And I don't like Asti Spumanti :-)
Try Prosecco.
Rich Grise
> Joerg wrote:
>> This presupposes (also a very geeky word) that each participant has
>> really strong political convictions and is always at the ready to duke
>> it out ;-)
>
> Well, I'm provolone and antipasto.
And Moo Goo Goo Goo is Chinese baby food. <rimshot>
Cheers!
Rich
krw
gr...@comcast.net says...
>
> lang...@ieee.org wrote:
>
> >
> > wasn't that a 707 ?
> >
> > -Lasse
>
> "Tex" Johnson rolled a 707 during a scheduled fly-over of a watershow.
> There's a picture somewhere out the window where the engines look
> mighty unusual on the side of the wing away from the ground.
It was the Dash-80 (707 prototype) that "Tex" rolled. He was
admonished for doing it. He told the President of Boeing (Allen)
that the plane didn't know it was upside down. The return was
something like; "You know that and I know that, but out
stockholders don't - don't do it again".
>
> He also did it with a B-47 on it's handover flight to the USAF.
>
> You can only do that if you're the chief test pilot and you know how to
> do it while maintaining 1G all the way around. Which is quite a trick
> if it's never been done before and there's no simulator.
>
> I don't think it's been intentionally done with a 747. Test pilots
> have gotten a tad more reticent over the years. That and the thought
> of $150 mil being deducted from one's paycheck gives one pause.
After the first million, who cares? ...and if they fire you, they
can't make your life miserable. ;-)
--
Keith
Joerg
> On 29 Nov 2006 08:18:40 -0800, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>>On 29 Nov 2006 07:33:13 -0800, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Last month, had to fly to Ontario Airport (yes it's in Southern
>>>>California), and the plane was somewhere east of the San Gabriel
>>>>mountains, about to make the turn west, when the "fun" began. Hoo boy.
>>>>Never been on a bumpier flight in my life.
>>>>
>>>>Michael
>>>
>>>That area is tame. Try flying out of Colorado Springs in August
>>>during a severe thunderstorm, in the Rockies, with half-dollar-sized
>>>hail :-(
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks for the warning!
>>
>>Is Denver Airport a wild ride during the winter months? Was thinking
>>of visiting Denver for the ski season...
>>
>>Michael
>
>
> I've not had issues at Denver, but that flight out of COS (*) is the
> only flight I've been on where I feared I was going to die :-(
>
The only one where I had such thoughts was in a Dornier DO-27. Iced up
in a jiffy during the roll, too late to abort, couldn't gain altitude,
bush pilot who normally never talks began to cuss, pine trees coming up
fast, not enough altitude to do the parachute bail.
Wheels brushed a big plume of snow off the tops. Whew....
Then there was a 767 engine loss over the Atlantic and it only has two.
But that was nothing compared to the DO-27 event.
mrda...@gmail.com
Um, what were you doing in a Dornier DO-27...?
> Then there was a 767 engine loss over the Atlantic and it only has two.
> But that was nothing compared to the DO-27 event.
Was the pilot able to restart the engine eventually?
> --
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com
Michael
Michael
"John Larkin" <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:gsbpm2h5bftvj1dks...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:56:29 GMT, "Michael"
> <mqiqcqhqaqe...@qbqlquqeqyqoqnqdqeqrq.qcqoq.quqkq> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Could someone please explain to me the purpose of this newsgroup?
>>According
>>to: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Groups.html
>>
>>It says "Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits."
>>
>>Is that the design of existing circuits as well as one's that people are
>>in
>>the process of designing?
>>
>>Michael
>>
>
>
> What are you designing lately?
>
> John
>
>
A pressure sensor interface using unity gain buffers and a diff amp fed into
a uC which can then be accessed by a custom written program running on a pc
using rs-232.
Michael
Joerg
Jumping out of it at around 8-9000ft, as high as it would economically
go with five guys and gear in there. You could possibly bail at 1500ft
or even lower if you pull the (faster) reserve chute right away. But not
at 50ft.
>
>
>>Then there was a 767 engine loss over the Atlantic and it only has two.
>>But that was nothing compared to the DO-27 event.
>
>
> Was the pilot able to restart the engine eventually?
>
Nope. But we had the most ceremonious reception at Frankfurt. It seemed
like all the fire trucks and ambulances Frankfurt could muster were
assembled. Plus they cleared the whole FRA airspace for us and that
alone is no small feat for a major hub. The AA captain did a marvelous
job and really greased it onto the runway. I sure hope he received a
nice bonus for that.
Michael A. Terrell
Tom T. Hall recorded "I like beer". ;-)
<http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/hall-tom-t/i-like-beer-12416.html>
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Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
joseph2k
Really, do you homebrew?
--
JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.
--Schiller
Eeyore
joseph2k wrote:
> The Real Andy wrote:
> >
> > I can say much, I hate politics and religion, but i do love food and
> > drinking. I contribute fuck all, but i like reading. I dont do
> > electronics anymore, just software (sometimes embedded). Did i mention
> > i like beer?
>
> Really, do you homebrew?
I used to.
It worked out at ~ 10p a pint ! That's 25 yrs ago though.
Graham