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O. P. E.

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Mar 23, 2007, 1:13:01 PM3/23/07
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I am trying to make a pulse generator that will generate pulses as
short as 1 ns, with voltages around 1V. It would be triggered by an
external signal. I am wondering whether anyone makes a single chip
solution for this type of thing, or if someone knows a communications
IC that could be easily modified to do this? And it would be great if
it came with an evaluation board, though I realize I am reaching on
that point. (Still, unless you enjoy torture, soldering surface mount
components is something I like to avoid.)

As I've searched on the net, most DIY pulse generator circuits involve
avalanche circuits which seem to require relatively high voltages and
are a little unstable. Linear has a circuit that uses comparators
with an AND gate to produce a pulse, and that seems to be pretty
workable. I've also thought it wouldn't be that hard to combine an
inverter with an AND gate and a delay line IC to produce an output
pulse, provided the transitions didn't excessively widen the pulse.

John McMillan

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Mar 26, 2007, 8:51:59 AM3/26/07
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Most logic family edge times are greater than 1ns so aren't going to
work. You might look at ECL - there's a hint here
http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=3647
There's an article "A recipe for homebrew ECL" by Chuck Hastings
which is a good read, though I couldn't find it on the web.
The avalanche pulser described in the appendix to Linear
application note 79 might be what you want.
http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C3,P1012,D4168

O. P. E.

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Mar 27, 2007, 2:03:09 PM3/27/07
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On Mar 26, 5:51 am, John McMillan <j.e.mcmil...@sheffielddot.acdot.uk>
wrote:

> Most logic family edge times are greater than 1ns so aren't going to
> work. You might look at ECL - there's a hint herehttp://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=3647

> There's an article "A recipe for homebrew ECL" by Chuck Hastings
> which is a good read, though I couldn't find it on the web.
> The avalanche pulser described in the appendix to Linear
> application note 79 might be what you want.http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C3,P1012,D4168
>

I appreciate the link to the Linear App Note, as it also had many
details on circuit construction that should really help. I also found
a few other Linear app notes written by Jim Williams. I love how he
has "cartoons" on the last page.

In searching around after I posted here I found Potato Semiconductor
advertising "74 series GHz logic." I've never heard of them before,
but the chips look like they would have the fast response I am looking
for. Does anyone have any experience with them? I also found some
fast chips from OnSemi.

Thanks

Lostgallifreyan

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Mar 27, 2007, 2:05:40 PM3/27/07
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"O. P. E." <mle...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1175018589.6...@r56g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

> In searching around after I posted here I found Potato Semiconductor
> advertising "74 series GHz logic." I've never heard of them before,
> but the chips look like they would have the fast response I am looking
> for. Does anyone have any experience with them? I also found some
> fast chips from OnSemi.
>

Potato chips? Isn't this a few days early? :)

John McMillan

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Mar 28, 2007, 8:20:12 AM3/28/07
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In article <1175018589.6...@r56g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,

"O. P. E." <mle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 26, 5:51 am, John McMillan <j.e.mcmil...@sheffielddot.acdot.uk>
> wrote:
> > Most logic family edge times are greater than 1ns so aren't going to
> > work. You might look at ECL - there's a hint
> > herehttp://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=3647
> > There's an article "A recipe for homebrew ECL" by Chuck Hastings
> > which is a good read, though I couldn't find it on the web.
> > The avalanche pulser described in the appendix to Linear
> > application note 79 might be what you
> > want.http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C3,P1012,D4168
> >
>
> I appreciate the link to the Linear App Note, as it also had many
> details on circuit construction that should really help. I also found
> a few other Linear app notes written by Jim Williams. I love how he
> has "cartoons" on the last page.

If you are going into high speed pulse electronics, you could do
worse than read *everything* that Jim Williams has written.

High-Speed Digital Design: A Handbook of Black Magic
http://www.amazon.com/High-Speed-Digital-Design-Handbook-Black/dp/0133957
241
is good too.

>
> In searching around after I posted here I found Potato Semiconductor
> advertising "74 series GHz logic." I've never heard of them before,
> but the chips look like they would have the fast response I am looking
> for. Does anyone have any experience with them?

I'd never heard of them. Must admit I'd taken my eyes off this field
a bit. The data sheets look great. Has anyone actually used the chips?

> I also found some
> fast chips from OnSemi.

OnSemi were Motorola who invented ECL (or was it Plessey? or ICL? ...)
Their stuff is good.

O. P. E.

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Apr 2, 2007, 12:35:55 PM4/2/07
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On Mar 26, 5:51 am, John McMillan <j.e.mcmil...@sheffielddot.acdot.uk>
wrote:
> Most logic family edge times are greater than 1ns so aren't going to
> work. You might look at ECL - there's a hint herehttp://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=3647

> There's an article "A recipe for homebrew ECL" by Chuck Hastings
> which is a good read, though I couldn't find it on the web.
> The avalanche pulser described in the appendix to Linear
> application note 79 might be what you want.http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C3,P1012,D4168
>

This app note and a few other app notes and web sites discuss making a
pulse generator with a 2N2369 transistor. It looks like they are
mostly referring to the TO-92 package instead of the surface mount. I
notice that the surface mount usually have a lower power dissipation,
but also would seem to have better RF characteristics due to the
shorter leads. Does anyone have any experience with surface mount vs.
TO-92 for avalanche pulse generation? While I don't like the idea of
soldering surface mount components, I'll do it if I have to.

Thanks

John McMillan

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Apr 2, 2007, 1:45:52 PM4/2/07
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In article <1175531755.4...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

"O. P. E." <mle...@gmail.com> wrote:

What little experience I do have confirmed the standard RF maxim
"long legs bad, short legs good". I have slightly more experience
with hand soldering surface mount transistors (and other two and three
legged components). Its not as difficult as it looks. After
a day or two you've got completely used to it.

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