New DeWalt Circular Saw (Festool clone???)
Dave - Parkville, MD
Guessing it will be priced under the Festool and not as well
engineered. Note: it looks like it is not available in the U.S.
Dave
Leon
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Gotta link to that?
J. Clarke
Did you forget to include the link?
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Dave - Parkville, MD
Leon
"Dave - Parkville, MD" <very_di...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well that looks kinda cool. I bet it goes for about the same price as the
Festool and I would certainly skip the battery operated models and stick
with the corded models.
Robatoy
>
> Well that looks kinda cool. I bet it goes for about the same price as the
> Festool and I would certainly skip the battery operated models and stick
> with the corded models.
Well, whaddayaknow. If you can't think of it yourself, rip it off.
Have they no shame?
Leon
"Robatoy" <Counte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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And their saw is a REVOLUTION. I guess they are referring to the blade
spinning.
nailsh...@aol.com
> Well, whaddayaknow. If you can't think of it yourself, rip it off.
> Have they no shame?
Oh now, c'mon. Of course they have no shame.
But not all the Euro tools are completely original, either. Circular
saws in all interations have been around more than a couple of
centuries, so I am thinking this is kind of a evolution. Who knows,
the key components of the two saws may be under license by someone
else to both makers.
Even the track guide systems became popular in the 60s, and certainly
they are popular today.
I'd put my money on DeWalt screwing their system up, though.
But it is monkey see - monkey do. I am remembering the biscuit
machine fiasco that DeWalt ran into. They copied Lamello, and in turn
were copied by Porter Cable. DeWalt sued Porter Cable since it was
too close to their design. That made PC come up with a new model that
had a tiny difference in the machine.
The point being, if it is actually close and unlicensed, expect a
lawsuit soon. Festool's markup is huge enough that they have a
responsibility to protect their products.
But that being said, I am waiting for you and Leon to buy one of
these.
Check out both sizes, the #2 and the #20. They are both pretty damn
cool.
And for some cool, original tooling, look around that site if you have
a few minutes.. They have some cool flush cutting saws, dedicated
laminate/wood trimmers, etc.
Love that plugger, though. I guess you have to buy the plug maker
with it though. If I was repairing furniture for a living, I would be
getting out my checkbook now since the big plugger will even do edges!
Robert
BDBConstruction
wrote:
Doing the math based on the UK availability its about $575USD
(289.95UK)
nailsh...@aol.com
> Doing the math based on the UK availability its about $575USD
> (289.95UK)
I imagine it would further disappoint if it were about the same (or
the same with a couple of adjustments) that is meant to be sold
overseas, and not here as an agreement with Festools.
There could be some nefarious forces at work...
Robert
Leon
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But that being said, I am waiting for you and Leon to buy one of
these.
LOL, that is pretty cool. It would be interseting to use different color
woods as plugs, for now I'll stick with putty.
nailsh...@aol.com
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2s5dap
>
> LOL, that is pretty cool. It would be interseting to use different color
> woods as plugs, for now I'll stick with putty.
Actually, I thought they were REALLY cool. Never could find a price
on them, and although I bet the plug cutter is affordable, I'll bet
the plug maker isn't.
Hey.... maybe you could dangle this in front of Swing!
You never know.... ha!
Robert
J. Clarke
Leon
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You never know.... ha!
Robert
Yeah I agree, the divot cutter is probably much cheaper than the plug maker.
I kinda like production runs perhaps I could guy the maker and sell the
plugs. ;~)
OR
Maybe "you" could be then next in line to make "the purchase". LOL I just
got the Rotex and he just got the new sharpener that uses the glass disks
and sand paper to produce scary sharp edges, the name escapes me, maybe
WorkSharp or something like that. Yeah Robert, I think it is your turn.
Do you agree Swingman? LOL
Leon
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You never know.... ha!
Robert
As John's link points out the divot cutter is $139. And that sound too
cheap. But I found this link to buy the #2 plugs for a much more
reasonable price than the plug maker $790.
http://www.csaw.com/lamello/patches.html
About 20 cents each in boxes of 500 in a wide variety of species. I have go
to think that 500 would last a very long time and if not, you need to find a
different wood supplier.
nailsh...@aol.com
> As John's link points out the divot cutter is $139. And that sound too
> cheap. But I found this link to buy the #2 plugs for a much more
> reasonable price than the plug maker $790.
Noooo...... look again. The second CUTTER head only is $139. The
machine is $790! And in my imagination I was about right - the actual
cost of the plug maker is $1600.
So for less than $2500, you're in! Get up ... call in now.... at
these prices they won't last! And if you order today and ship within
the US (sorry friends in the frozen tundra of Canada) it's free!
Don't forget that spiffy little motorized planer (I am almost positive
this is one of those suspended blade gizmos) they show in the video to
finish the job, though. That would probably be in the $800 range. So
for everything, you could be patching with the big dogs for about
$3300.
If you and Swing are relying on me, I think we should go this route,
and just tell everyone we had one of those:
We could easily make a rounded slot patch, and we wouldn't have to use
hearts, diamonds, or shamrocks. We could be in for under $40, whiich
is about my speed!
Sitting here thinking about it, I think the last major tool purchase I
made was my HVLP system couple of years ago. To the door it was
$1500, $1600, somewhere in there. I got the upgrade system then
upgraded that, bought the stuff for maintenance, and extra gun,
aircaps, etc., and it added up pretty quick. But that rascal made my
money back in short order so it was a good purchase.
Can you believe it? I don't want anymore tools. None. I want the
ones I have to do everything I need. What I need to get is the time
to use the ones I want on the projects >> I << want to do. I don't
see that in the near future, though.
Robert
Lee Michaels
> Can you believe it? I don't want anymore tools. None.
This is serious.
Is there a wood dorker's intervention service in Texas? This man is not
well. Hold him down and force him to peruse the Lee Valley catalog. Let
him fondle some big buck planes. Maybe he will respond to a tool made with
rosewood and brass. Lock him up in a room with some Festools.
The man needs help!
Hey Swingman and Leon, are you available for a serious wood dorker
intervention?
<G>
Leon
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On Jan 29, 7:52 am, "Leon" <removespamlcb11...@swbell.net> wrote:
> As John's link points out the divot cutter is $139. And that sound too
> cheap. But I found this link to buy the #2 plugs for a much more
> reasonable price than the plug maker $790.
Noooo...... look again. The second CUTTER head only is $139. The
machine is $790! And in my imagination I was about right - the actual
cost of the plug maker is $1600.
So for less than $2500, you're in! Get up ... call in now.... at
these prices they won't last! And if you order today and ship within
the US (sorry friends in the frozen tundra of Canada) it's free!
Don't forget that spiffy little motorized planer (I am almost positive
this is one of those suspended blade gizmos) they show in the video to
finish the job, though. That would probably be in the $800 range. So
for everything, you could be patching with the big dogs for about
$3300.
Hummmmm.. now you are talking. $3300, now that IS starting to sound
intersting. NOT! LOL
You could buy about 8,000 plugs for the price of the cutter. I cannot see
how buying the machine would pay for it self as the time required to make
8,000 plugs would surely cost you about $1600 in man hours and materials.
Snip
Can you believe it? I don't want anymore tools. None. I want the
ones I have to do everything I need. What I need to get is the time
to use the ones I want on the projects >> I << want to do. I don't
see that in the near future, though.
Gasp! ;~) I'll have to say I scrimped along for more than 20 years.
My previous ROS purchase was in 1990. In the last 2 years I have probably
added and upgraded about $7K worth of equipment. Having said that, I don't
feel so gooood.... It is hard keeping up with Swingman. LOL Well I do
find my self accomplishing much more in shorter time and staying busier
lately. ;~)
Leon
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
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LOL,,, A couple of days ago I mentioned the Houston WW show in early April.
Robatoy
> Festool's markup is huge enough that they have a
> responsibility to protect their products.
>
I'm not so sure that the margins are all that great to Festool. They
actually allow their dealers to make a buck. Not a bad thing... up to
a point.
rrrrrrrrr
nailsh...@aol.com
> I'm not so sure that the margins are all that great to Festool. They
> actually allow their dealers to make a buck. Not a bad thing... up to
> a point.
>
> rrrrrrrrr
Now that would be refreshing. I haven't heard of a dealer of mass
produced goods making a decent profit in a long time. If it's true,
good for Festool.
And if their tools are a great quality as well it seems like it could
be a win/win as everybody gets what they want.
I can see me buying the Rotex in the future, but one of my Milwaukees
or Bosch sanders will have to die. I'm betting on the Bosch 5" ROS
giving up the ghost first, but it is an old Swiss model I got from CPO
Bosch when the closed them out. Life span is unknown.
BTW, last year I also got their last Swiss made Bosch half sheet
sander. It was delivered to the door for under $200 as a closeout.
I also have a 3 hp ELU/DeWalt Swiss made router.
Unfortunately, my Metabo 6" ROS (you could stand in it and not bog it
down and the dust collection was superb) was stolen from me a couple
of years ago (providing the reason to purchase the Bosch 5") so that
was that.
Hey... wait a minute. What am I doing with all these Eurotools?
Crap...
Don't tell Leon... I couldn't tease him with a straight face...
;^)
Robert
J. Clarke
Supposedly Hilti and Makita also have plunge saws for the EU market,
and wonder of wonders all of them and the deWalt supposedly use the
same rail.
Robatoy
wrote:
>
> Hey... wait a minute. What am I doing with all these Eurotools?
> Crap...
>
Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap)
http://www.specialtytools.com/product_info.php?cPath=4109_4110_4111&products_id=12727
nailsh...@aol.com
> Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap)
>
> http://www.specialtytools.com/product_info.php?cPath=4109_4110_4111&p...
Oh man.... now that rollup compact fence really makes that look
interesting. I have never seen anything like that. The additional
portability could add a world of utility to that saw system. Just
think, no rails to protect from bending, chipping, or having the
indians throw them in the back of the truck.
That system looks like it could be a winner.
Damnit.
Robert
Nova
>
>
> Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap)
>
> http://www.specialtytools.com/product_info.php?cPath=4109_4110_4111&products_id=12727
>
>
Finally, a tool designed for ripping the 2 x's you get from the Borgs!
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Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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Robatoy
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> > Psssst... you still need this one: (watch the wrap)
>
>
> Finally, a tool designed for ripping the 2 x's you get from the Borgs!
>
But the word is out around here, the older, more established lumber
yards have recovered from HD's initial onslaught. Better product, for
not a whole more money.
B A R R Y
>
> But the word is out around here, the older, more established lumber
> yards have recovered from HD's initial onslaught. Better product, for
> not a whole more money.
Sometimes, less. Delivery included, to boot! <G>
BDBConstruction
I just had this conversation in depth with the president/owner of a
large local electrical supply house we deal with regularly. They have
been a quality supplier in the same location since 1934. He spoke
frustratingly to the fact of having very few options over and above
the BB's anymore. His large accounts are complaining and some are
taking to billing him directly for lost time caused by the reduction
in quality. We talked of the time when he could sell you the same junk
you could buy at the BB's, or a far better product for those who
wanted quality. Now in many cases there is just no choice.
I highly doubt they will ever recover completely. Just ask the owner
or president of your local lumberyard for a few minutes of their day
and pose the question(s) to them directly. Unless your locale is very
unique I would say their bottom line clearly reflects the long term
damage these places have done. I have yet to speak with a supplier who
hasnt brought it up. It will likely take several decades to recover if
there will even be a complete recovery. The entire landscape of the
industry has been changed. Manufacturers have completely adjusted/re-
tooled, changing back will not be easy especially with the vast
majority of the consumers drunk on cheap goods. Simple availability of
quality materials and products is much more scarce now as the demand
from the masses simply vaporized. We have been facing this on an
almost daily basis for a good 15 years. You just cant put your hands
on the variety of items and materials as easy as you used to. This is
what all of us "chicken littles" were squaking about 10-15 years ago.
Our main lumberyard has been fighting the quality fight and losing,
and they continue to do so(lose that is). The owner of that company
has stated to me many times that merely the damage an unrelated
business like Walmart has done to the marketplace reaches far into his
buisiness. Its is a clear case where, driven by the consumer, free
market capitalism can be a very bad thing. My feeing is we have yet to
see the tip of the iceburg with regards to the long term consequences
of Walmart, BB's, and the like.
Situations like these are why, in politics, we have the electoral
college. The founders knew that the masses cant always be trusted to
make the best decisions and they wanted a back door saftey net.
Mark
Leon
"BDBConstruction" <bdbcons...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I just had this conversation in depth with the president/owner of a
large local electrical supply house we deal with regularly. They have
been a quality supplier in the same location since 1934. He spoke
frustratingly to the fact of having very few options over and above
the BB's anymore. His large accounts are complaining and some are
taking to billing him directly for lost time caused by the reduction
in quality. We talked of the time when he could sell you the same junk
you could buy at the BB's, or a far better product for those who
wanted quality. Now in many cases there is just no choice.
I highly doubt they will ever recover completely. Just ask the owner
or president of your local lumberyard for a few minutes of their day
and pose the question(s) to them directly. Unless your locale is very
unique I would say their bottom line clearly reflects the long term
damage these places have done.
I have to say that location has a little to do with survival however how
well the lumber yard and or hardware store is run will factor in also.
Outside the SW Houston city limits but in 2 different small cities that
border the Houston city limit line there are 2 separate small businesses,
one a lumber yard and the other an old fashioned service but modern hardware
store that are thriving and growing. They were around long before the Borgs
began to show up in Houston 20+ years ago. They are closed on Sundays.
always busy, expanding, and more importantly cheaper that the Borgs for the
exact same manufactured hardware item or tool. The lumber yard is a bit
more expensive on lumber but their lumber is "good" lumber. There are 4
Borgs within 15 minutes of both of those small businesses.