Psicosis wears a wig and other annoying Lucha Libre Conclusions and Questions: One man's veiwing marathon comes to an end..
Dean&Angie
Howdy!
I finished 13 of 14 tapes of Lucha Libre I got from various sources (good
eggs all! Thank you Dams and Master Socha!) and after veiwing all the
crotchshots, plancha magnificos, and two triple tope suicidas, I figured
it was time to ask a few more questions and make annoying conclusions
(the internet in a nutshell! HAHAHAHA!)
First the questions:
1. What are those Stars of David all over Jerry Estrada's tights for?
2. What does "the Vale" mean on the back of Fuerva and Fuerverita
Guerrera's tights (My guess: "Tiniest pants available":))?
3. Why did Winner's and Super Calo have a mascara vs mascara match? I got
months of AAA TV surrounding this match and it kinda of popped out of
nowhere.
4. Are the Power Raiders, the X-men, Thunderbird, Venom, Boomerang,
(other sundry little guys in shiny suits) all the same pool of
four wrestlers with different outfits?
5. What happened to Mascarita Sagrada when Mascara Sagrada was fired?
Does your mini follow you to EMLL?
6. Why doesn't Octagon cut off that thing that hangs down from his mask?
It would take two occasions tops where Pentagon tied my head to the ring
and pummeled me for me to grab the pinking sheers.:)
Comments:
-I think I know why Cien Caras generates so much heat without actually
doing much in the ring. The key is his use of the "Touch and Go" by
Emerson, Lake and Powell as his entrance music. He was getting heat from
me and I even had a mute button. I can't imagine what Psicosis said to
cause that riot if the same crowd can keep from throwing chairs when this
song is blairing at them for five minutes.
-I feel like an idiot, and I'm mad that nobody told me before, but when I
got to the tape where Lizmark pulled Psicosis' wig off, I was really
surprised. I thought his hair was actually that big. I would comment to
my friend, Cliff, "What's the point of having a mask when everybody will
recognize your gargantuan hair?" And- now that I've composed myself- he
looks five times as evil without the hair, just the white mask and the
horns. He should definately adopt that look.
-After watching a lot of CMLL, I noticed that the only thing separating
the big two of Mexico is Misterio JR, Juventud Guerrera, Super Calo,
Psicosis, Latin Lover, and Heavy Metal for AAA and Silver King, Dos
Caras, Apolo Dantes and Negro Casas for CMLL. Take away all of these and
you've got identical talent rosters, workrate wise.
-I couldn't figure out who I thought was the more interesting heel-
Fuerva Guerrera or Apolo Dantes. Fuerva is hilarious as the sneakiest
bastard in Mexico, but Apolo has the best facial features this side of
Steven Regal.
-I never realized what an all around wrestler Silver King was until I saw
him wrestle Dantes mano a mano. He is way beyond everybody in EMLL even
Casas, kind of like EMLL's Juventud Guerrera (but old...or something).
-I was stoked to get some Dos Caras matches after being impressed by his
unique style when he was in Michinoku Pro. The weird thing is that when
he is in Mexico in trios matches I found myself forgetting he is even in
the match. Others had my attention and Atlantis isn't that good of a
wrestler to do that to me. Maybe Dos Caras is an anomalie- a Mexican
legend who is better when wrestling in Japan.
-Winner's is the most annoying wrestler in the world, and he is not good
in the ring.
-Latin Lover is everything that Winner's wants to be and he is good in
the ring- sort of a face Rick Rude. I could see him getting over big in
the US big two. Ditto for El Valodor.
-Batches of good wrestlers: Los Folkiloris (Great outfits!), X-men, The
freakin Power Raiders (the dopiest wrestlers that rule).
Batches of Bad wrestlers: Los Payosos (though they do provide the surreal
image of a ninja ((Octagon)) kicking a clown in the groin:)), Los
Pandilleros, and Los Destructores.
-ECW should bring in Super Calo and Heavy Metal in next in their
cavalcade of introducing Mexican talent. Both would be highly conducive
to the ECW mutants in that they aren't as slick as Rey, Juventud or
Psicosis, but they have grittier personas. Super Calo would own
Philadelphia in one match.
-Bali is too good to have to wrestle in a monkey suit.
-There are two things the US promotions will never top, anglewise.
Goldust absolutely pales in talent and mysterious intrigue to Pimpinela
Escarlata and Bill Alfonso wishes he generate one third of the heat that
El Tirante generates. Between Fuerza Guerrera and El Tirante, I was on
floor laughing more than any other time watching any wrestling (with the
possible exception of a few Gran Naniwa matches).
I'll stop now or this will never end:)
Dean Rasmussen
Damien Lauly
>
> First the questions:
>
> 1. What are those Stars of David all over Jerry Estrada's tights for?
> 2. What does "the Vale" mean on the back of Fuerva and Fuerverita
> Guerrera's tights (My guess: "Tiniest pants available":))?
That's Fuerza (with a 'Z') (which means strength; Guerrera means warrior; Juventud
means youth) and Fuercita (with a 'C', so that it sounds like the 'z')
> 3. Why did Winner's and Super Calo have a mascara vs mascara match? I got
> months of AAA TV surrounding this match and it kinda of popped out of
> nowhere.
Correct. He faced his usual tag partner, in a face vs. face match. I guess
Winner's just didn't want to wrestle with his mask anymore. He seemed
genuinely happy to lose it.
> 4. Are the Power Raiders, the X-men, Thunderbird, Venom, Boomerang,
> (other sundry little guys in shiny suits) all the same pool of
> four wrestlers with different outfits?
I don't know, but I kinda like the raiders. Especially the green one.
> 6. Why doesn't Octagon cut off that thing that hangs down from his mask?
> It would take two occasions tops where Pentagon tied my head to the ring
> and pummeled me for me to grab the pinking sheers.:)
Yeah, but I guess it is part of his 'traditional' martial arts outfit.
>
> Comments:
>
> -I think I know why Cien Caras generates so much heat without actually
> doing much in the ring. The key is his use of the "Touch and Go" by
> Emerson, Lake and Powell as his entrance music. He was getting heat from
> me and I even had a mute button. I can't imagine what Psicosis said to
> cause that riot if the same crowd can keep from throwing chairs when this
> song is blairing at them for five minutes.
Well, it's very simple. He's got great charisma. Also, he can play a
fantastic tweener when he wants to: he's billed as the most rudo of the rudos;
however, while remaining that, he was almost a tecnico during the Konnan/
Aguayo/Cien Caras feud. And he really was both at the same time!
By the way, he's doing more in the ring than many american wrestlers, and
he can work a crowd like nobody else.
>
> -I feel like an idiot, and I'm mad that nobody told me before, but when I
> got to the tape where Lizmark pulled Psicosis' wig off, I was really
> surprised. I thought his hair was actually that big. I would comment to
> my friend, Cliff, "What's the point of having a mask when everybody will
> recognize your gargantuan hair?" And- now that I've composed myself- he
> looks five times as evil without the hair, just the white mask and the
> horns. He should definately adopt that look.
Yeah, it surprised me too. But he should keep it.
>
> -After watching a lot of CMLL, I noticed that the only thing separating
> the big two of Mexico is Misterio JR, Juventud Guerrera, Super Calo,
> Psicosis, Latin Lover, and Heavy Metal for AAA and Silver King, Dos
> Caras, Apolo Dantes and Negro Casas for CMLL. Take away all of these and
> you've got identical talent rosters, workrate wise.
>
> -I couldn't figure out who I thought was the more interesting heel-
> Fuerva Guerrera or Apolo Dantes. Fuerva is hilarious as the sneakiest
> bastard in Mexico, but Apolo has the best facial features this side of
> Steven Regal.
How about Jerry Estrada?
>
> -I never realized what an all around wrestler Silver King was until I saw
> him wrestle Dantes mano a mano. He is way beyond everybody in EMLL even
> Casas, kind of like EMLL's Juventud Guerrera (but old...or something).
Yes, that was a surprisingly good match.
>
> -I was stoked to get some Dos Caras matches after being impressed by his
> unique style when he was in Michinoku Pro. The weird thing is that when
> he is in Mexico in trios matches I found myself forgetting he is even in
> the match. Others had my attention and Atlantis isn't that good of a
> wrestler to do that to me. Maybe Dos Caras is an anomalie- a Mexican
> legend who is better when wrestling in Japan.
>
> -Winner's is the most annoying wrestler in the world, and he is not good
> in the ring.
... compared to other AAA stars, you mean!
>
> -Latin Lover is everything that Winner's wants to be and he is good in
> the ring- sort of a face Rick Rude. I could see him getting over big in
> the US big two. Ditto for El Valodor.
Correct. Latin Lover can work a great match (he has proven that), and
he usually tries to work hard every time he steps in the ring.
Also, he potentially has got what I call the 'extreme switch' (and it
has nothing to do with ECW): he's one of the most over faces right now,
and, when he turns, he will be the most hated heel. To me, that's a mark
of a great wrestler (as far as the face/heel persona is concerned), that
we can recognize in other wrestlers such as Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels,
Diesel, Razor Ramon, etc.
Just remember when there was some tension between Latin Lover and Heavy Metal.
I don't know for you, but I couldn't figure out who would turn. It lasted
several matches, and, at one point, I was sure Latin would turn. That was
a very interesting angle.
>
> -Batches of good wrestlers: Los Folkiloris (Great outfits!), X-men, The
> freakin Power Raiders (the dopiest wrestlers that rule).
> Batches of Bad wrestlers: Los Payosos (though they do provide the surreal
> image of a ninja ((Octagon)) kicking a clown in the groin:)), Los
> Pandilleros, and Los Destructores.
In these lists, I would switch Los Folkloricos (check the spelling) for
Los Payasos (with 2 A's).
>
> -ECW should bring in Super Calo and Heavy Metal in next in their
> cavalcade of introducing Mexican talent. Both would be highly conducive
> to the ECW mutants in that they aren't as slick as Rey, Juventud or
> Psicosis, but they have grittier personas. Super Calo would own
> Philadelphia in one match.
>
> -Bali is too good to have to wrestle in a monkey suit.
The outfit doesn't matter in lucha. Just change his partners and opponents,
and give him the opportunity to show his talent.
>
> -There are two things the US promotions will never top, anglewise.
> Goldust absolutely pales in talent and mysterious intrigue to Pimpinela
> Escarlata and Bill Alfonso wishes he generate one third of the heat that
> El Tirante generates. Between Fuerza Guerrera and El Tirante, I was on
> floor laughing more than any other time watching any wrestling (with the
> possible exception of a few Gran Naniwa matches).
El Tirante is the best refereee in the world. He can make matches so much
more interesting! Like at the WWPF, during the Cibernetico/Pierroth vs.
La Parka/Perro Aguayo, for the final pin, he counted really slow, slowed
down after the 2 count, and finally had to make the 3 count to make the rudos
lose. And then, for about 5 minutes, he looked upset, really pissed at himself
for letting the tecnicos win. That was classic, for him, but great!
--
A la prochaine...
Dams
_________________________________________________________
Damien Lauly / University of California, Irvine
mailto:dla...@uci.edu / http://www.spaces.uci.edu/~lauly/
Dean&Angie
Damien Lauly <la...@aris.ss.uci.edu> wrote:
>> 2. What does "the Vale" mean on the back of Fuerva and Fuerverita
>> Guerrera's tights (My guess: "Tiniest pants available":))?
>
>That's Fuerza (with a 'Z') (which means strength; Guerrera means warrior; Juventud
>means youth) and Fuercita (with a 'C', so that it sounds like the 'z')
It was late! I don't use a spellcheck! I couldn't find a list! I... ah
forget it:) And you didn't answer the question:)
>> 4. Are the Power Raiders, the X-men, Thunderbird, Venom, Boomerang,
>> (other sundry little guys in shiny suits) all the same pool of
>> four wrestlers with different outfits?
>
>I don't know, but I kinda like the raiders. Especially the green one.
The Raiders rule! I'm just guessing the lesser ones are also the X-Men.
>> Comments:
> -I couldn't figure out who I thought was the more interesting heel-
>> Fuerva Guerrera or Apolo Dantes. Fuerva is hilarious as the sneakiest
>> bastard in Mexico, but Apolo has the best facial features this side of
>> Steven Regal.
>
>How about Jerry Estrada?
Jerry Estrada isn't over the top enough for me.
>> -Winner's is the most annoying wrestler in the world, and he is not good
>> in the ring.
>
>... compared to other AAA stars, you mean!
Dams, I want to see your list of annoying wrestlers!:)
>>
>> -Batches of good wrestlers: Los Folkiloris (Great outfits!), X-men, The
>> freakin Power Raiders (the dopiest wrestlers that rule).
>> Batches of Bad wrestlers: Los Payosos (though they do provide the surreal
>> image of a ninja ((Octagon)) kicking a clown in the groin:)), Los
>> Pandilleros, and Los Destructores.
>
>In these lists, I would switch Los Folkloricos (check the spelling) for
>Los Payasos (with 2 A's).
Oh Man! Two of the three Folkloricos are awesome! I can't tell which
two, though.:)
There are two things the US promotions will never top, anglewise.
>> Goldust absolutely pales in talent and mysterious intrigue to Pimpinela
>> Escarlata and Bill Alfonso wishes he generate one third of the heat that
>> El Tirante generates. Between Fuerza Guerrera and El Tirante, I was on
>> floor laughing more than any other time watching any wrestling (with the
>> possible exception of a few Gran Naniwa matches).
>
>El Tirante is the best refereee in the world. He can make matches so much
>more interesting! Like at the WWPF, during the Cibernetico/Pierroth vs.
>La Parka/Perro Aguayo, for the final pin, he counted really slow, slowed
>down after the 2 count, and finally had to make the 3 count to make the rudos
>lose. And then, for about 5 minutes, he looked upset, really pissed at himself
>for letting the tecnicos win. That was classic, for him, but great!
I love it when he trips the technico while they run the ropes, and I
swear I thought I was going to die when he was trying to search Rey
Misterio Jr for foreign objects and Rey kept squirming around. El
Tirante had the greatest look of shock and disbelief.
Dean Rasmussen
John Jermanis
In article <4pog7i$v...@nw101.infi.net>,
Dean&Angie <dhr...@richmond.infi.net> wrote:
>Howdy!
>
>4. Are the Power Raiders, the X-men, Thunderbird, Venom, Boomerang,
>(other sundry little guys in shiny suits) all the same pool of
>four wrestlers with different outfits?
I don't think so. There are a whole lot of luchadores there.
>5. Does your mini follow you to EMLL?
I remember one time that luchador and the corresponding mini were
in different groups, but I can't remember who.
>-I feel like an idiot, and I'm mad that nobody told me before, but when I
>got to the tape where Lizmark pulled Psicosis' wig off, I was really
>surprised. I thought his hair was actually that big. I would comment to
>my friend, Cliff, "What's the point of having a mask when everybody will
>recognize your gargantuan hair?" And- now that I've composed myself- he
>looks five times as evil without the hair, just the white mask and the
>horns. He should definately adopt that look.
His gimmick is(was) to look like Liger. Except Liger's hair is real.
>-After watching a lot of CMLL, I noticed that the only thing separating
>the big two of Mexico is Misterio JR, Juventud Guerrera, Super Calo,
>Psicosis, Latin Lover, and Heavy Metal for AAA and Silver King, Dos
>Caras, Apolo Dantes and Negro Casas for CMLL. Take away all of these and
>you've got identical talent rosters, workrate wise.
I respectfully disagree. IMO, EMLL has more deadwood than AAA. It
seems very often that the EMLL guys are just going through the motions.
AAA guys put forth more consistent effort. At the WWPF, Paul Herzog made
the comment that if you wrestle in front of the same crowd week after week
(EMLL TV is from Arena Mexico in Mexico City) your matches will just get
stale as the crowd doesn't care. I agree.
>-I never realized what an all around wrestler Silver King was until I saw
>him wrestle Dantes mano a mano. He is way beyond everybody in EMLL even
>Casas, kind of like EMLL's Juventud Guerrera (but old...or something).
Silver King is the man. El Texano (his regular) partner does little
for me. But Silver King is as good as anybody in EMLL. He's great in
Japan too, which is something that doesn't always hold for great
luchadores. Hard to believe him and Dr. Wagner Jr. are brothers, eh?
>-Winner's is the most annoying wrestler in the world, and he is not good
>in the ring.
Heh heh. I've always hated that scrawny punk too.
John
Ripost
John Jermanis is eight, there is a lot of dead wood in EMLL, but but he
and Dean misses the man I consider the most exciting wrestler in the
promotion, Hector Garza. The two times I've seen him live; last year in LA
at6 the Forum, and this year aty the WWPF, he was the hardest working,
highest flying EMLL guy in the ring, and that cork-screw dive to the floor
is about as extreme as you can get. In fact maybe the guy should switch to
AAA. I'd rather see him wrestle Psycosis than Gran Marcus any day.
AAA, July 13th, Grand Olyimpic, FRONT ROW SEATS!!!
At least I hope so, haven't bought the tickets yet.
See you there?
Nathan
Dean&Angie
rip...@aol.com (Ripost) wrote:
>John Jermanis is eight, there is a lot of dead wood in EMLL, but but he
>and Dean misses the man I consider the most exciting wrestler in the
>promotion, Hector Garza. The two times I've seen him live; last year in LA
>at6 the Forum, and this year aty the WWPF, he was the hardest working,
>highest flying EMLL guy in the ring, and that cork-screw dive to the floor
>is about as extreme as you can get. In fact maybe the guy should switch to
>AAA. I'd rather see him wrestle Psycosis than Gran Marcus any day.
The only match I have of him on tape is an old style match against
Satanico so it was too hard to tell what he could do. I really want to
see this cork-screw dive I keep hearing about. I need to find more EMLL
(despite the deadwood!:))
Dean Rasmussen