Ric Flair in the WWF
Nicholas J. Simicich
held up the NWA belt, and talked about how the belt was better than
the WWF's belt. He then said that he was going to be "advisor" to Ric
Flair.
Looks like they are going to unify the WWF title and the NWA title.
Or at least, that is my guess. And, frankly, I'd bet that given
Hogan's apparrent desire to retire, that Ric might be the winner of
the unified title.
Who else has a big enough name to carry that off? It has to be either
Hogan or Flair. Hogan is a company man---he'll do the job. Flair is
a prima-donna, in my opinion. I doubt he would have signed without a
guarantee.
They are still doing the Snake/Warrior bits, and promised us more of
that and Bobby Heenan/Flair next week. I can't wait for Prime Time...
--
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Persian Nightmare
> Wow. Bobby Heenan just had a segment on Superstars of Wrestling. He
> held up the NWA belt, and talked about how the belt was better than
> the WWF's belt. He then said that he was going to be "advisor" to Ric
> Flair.
WOW is an understatement. I *truly* didn't expect it so soon. For
the last few weeks we have heard that he might do this, or might do
that, but out of no where, he comes "Slick" Ric with HIS belt :).
> Looks like they are going to unify the WWF title and the NWA title.
> Or at least, that is my guess. And, frankly, I'd bet that given
> Hogan's apparrent desire to retire, that Ric might be the winner of
> the unified title.
Actually bringing in Ric as the NWA champion is a good move for
Wince. Think about it, saying that *another* champion actually
exists is a major thing for him. WWF has just too many people
coming to its organization, and too few belts. An Intercontinental
TAG TEAM championship should have been created long ago, and if
they institute the NWA championship or something like a TV
championship, you will keep everyone happy [more belts, and more
$$$].
> Who else has a big enough name to carry that off? It has to be either
> Hogan or Flair. Hogan is a company man---he'll do the job. Flair is
> a prima-donna, in my opinion. I doubt he would have signed without a
> guarantee.
"Whether you like it, or you don't like it, *LEARN TO LOVE IT*,
because it's the best thing going IN THE WWF ;-)". Hogan is/was
washed up a few years ago, but the WWF didn't have any charismatic
person [apart from Savage] to continue to be their prime player.
With Flair coming in, you have such a man, and when he "walks that
aisle", he will be the #1 man [at least I hope that happens].
> They are still doing the Snake/Warrior bits, and promised us more of
> that and Bobby Heenan/Flair next week. I can't wait for Prime Time...
Man, I am not going to miss that one either. I used to watch the
NWA [notice how I leave the WCW out ;-] just for Flair. He was the
best, and all the rest don't match up to him. If Heenan is his
coach, he will finally get what he wanted, managering the
HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.
Shahryar
--
'The greatest of evils and the worst of crimes is poverty.'
George Bernard Shaw--"Major Barbara"
Gary Will
>Think about it, saying that *another* champion actually
>exists is a major thing for him.
Although I imagine I'll be disappointed before it's all over, I
thought that Vince showed some courage, not only in having Ric
come in as a recognized champion of "another organization", but
also in allowing Heenan to state -- without immediate rebuttal --
that Hogan comes off like "horse manure" compared to Flair.
Even coming from Heenan, that's pretty strong stuff.
--Gary Will
Persian Nightmare
> Oh come on now! Even Orwell's Newspeak writers would have been
> embarrassed to assert that Hogan, who's done the job once over the last
> 8 years, is a more self-sacrificing company man than Ric Flair, who's
> put over every contender in the NWA/WCW for a decade. I'm sure old-time
> Soviet revisionists lit up cigars after creating woppers like this one.
Question is, who is worth the money being paid them?? Ric of
course :).
Gary Will
> Hogan is a company man---he'll do the job. Flair is a prima-donna, in
> my opinion.
Oh come on now! Even Orwell's Newspeak writers would have been
embarrassed to assert that Hogan, who's done the job once over the last
8 years, is a more self-sacrificing company man than Ric Flair, who's
put over every contender in the NWA/WCW for a decade. I'm sure old-time
Soviet revisionists lit up cigars after creating woppers like this one.
--Gary Will
Persian Nightmare
Well, it certainly isn't the same kind of thing he did for Sid.
Wince going for Steriod freaks I guess ;). But I wonder if they
will recognize NWA championship, or say WWF has an open-door policy
or something like that. I think WrestleMania VII main event is
TITLE vs. TITLE to decide it all :).
Nicholas J. Simicich
>"Whether you like it, or you don't like it, *LEARN TO LOVE IT*,
>because it's the best thing going IN THE WWF ;-)". Hogan is/was
>washed up a few years ago, but the WWF didn't have any charismatic
>person [apart from Savage] to continue to be their prime player.
>With Flair coming in, you have such a man, and when he "walks that
>aisle", he will be the #1 man [at least I hope that happens].
Well, Flair, in my opinion again, doesn't have the charisma to pull it
off. He is just as washed up as Hogan is. Yes, at his peak, long
past, he was a pretty good wrestler, and he may still be a better
wrestler than Hogan, but that is not meaningful in the WWF. You said
it yourself. It is charisma. I think that Flair is lacking charisma.
It was a good move to put him with Heenan, as he will be able to
supply him with a personality.
Yes, I've heard Flair's interviews for the past couple of years. If I
never heard him scratch out "Whether you like it...." again, it would
be too soon. The only personality he had in the NWA was because of
the horsemen, and the constant pattern of match interference and
screwjob endings, frankly bored me. When the Horsemen went away, no
one cared anymore. Curt Hennig has more personality and is a better
wrestler. Savage has a heck of a lot more charisma, and is a better
wrestler. Either of the Steiners is a better wrestler, and they have
at least one personality between them. One of them should be the
WWF's top heel.
But Flair has to be the top heel. He has the credentials, and he has
the reputation. Whether that will substitute for the stuff he needs
to be a star in the whiff we have yet to see. It didn't work for
Terry Taylor.
Still, the NWA/WCW has been letting Flair languish for quite a while.
He just hasn't been in the center of things like you would expect the
world champion to be. There were some bad booking decisions, from the
perspective of Flair's career. (I personally think that, just as the
whiff should move away from Hogan as champion, the WCW should have
been moving away from Flair as champion.) But presuming that Flair
was the powerhouse of personality that many folks in this newsgroup
seem to think, the WCW wasted him.
They could have done something with Flair. They could have let
Cornette manage him, before they lost him. They could have left him
as a face for long enough to where his turn back would have been
interesting. They could have had him lost a bunch of matches and then
pull himself back from the dumps.
I remember Flair from years ago. He was better. He's been tired for
quite a while, and hasn't changed his schtick for too long. And we've
had the arguments about booking before. I believe that someone of
Flair's stature in the WCW controls their own destiny.
Still, Arn and Tully did a hell of a lot better in the whiff, IMHO,
than they did in the NWA/WCW. Working with Heenan gave them a
personality, and their wrestling improved both in style and intensity.
Maybe it was the wads of green stuff that made them work harder. They
need the personality to get over in the whiff, and they need wrestling
to make watching them enjoyable.
I'd be pleasantly surprised to see Flair do the same sort of thing in
the WWF. If he doesn't, it will be his own fault. If he does, it
will be a good show.
Lance Visser
+>In article <1991Aug10.2...@csus.edu> shah...@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Persian Nightmare) writes:
+>>Think about it, saying that *another* champion actually
+>>exists is a major thing for him.
+>
+>Although I imagine I'll be disappointed before it's all over, I
+>thought that Vince showed some courage, not only in having Ric
+>come in as a recognized champion of "another organization", but
+>also in allowing Heenan to state -- without immediate rebuttal --
+>that Hogan comes off like "horse manure" compared to Flair.
+>Even coming from Heenan, that's pretty strong stuff.
The thing to remember is that the WWF (or WWWF) is an offshoot of
the NWA.....and bringing in Flair and the belt is kind of a final humiliation
and defeat for Ted Turner and in a sense for the entire old pre-McMahon world
of wrestling. By liniage, the WWF belt IS a disputed NWA championship belt.
I mean there is no disputing that Rick is NWA champion....so McMahon
gets the "Dream" NWA/WWF unification match on his terms and his terms only.
Herb Kunze
Keep in mind, Nick, that the WWF audience is much larger than WCW's. There
is a much larger mark percentage. While a typical WCW PPV might get a
1% or 1.5% buy rate, the typical WWF show gets a 2.5% buy rate as a minimum.
With the PPV universe as large as it is today, that extra percentage is
going to work out to be a fair number of people. To these fans, the
Ric Flair shtick is going to be something new, and I would bet that it
will draw heat and draw crowds all over again.
Herb...
Woody Muller
According to the Observer, Ric's contract states that he is not allowed to
negotiate a contract with another promotion until September 1. That is
why we are seeing an inanimate belt, and not Ric Flair. To be sure, that
McMadman is showing off Ric's belt shows that informal talks have given
confidence that such a contract can be signed. Also, notice that the
'NWA' acronym is not being used; just 'another federation.'
So, while we all hope to see the Nature Boy in the Circus soon, do not
expect to see the Man on the boob tube for at least a month. BTW, Meltzer
also reports a strong rumor that Flair was offered the position of Booker
if he were to agree to come back to WCW.
--
wo...@bdrc.bd.com
Disclaimer: I speak for myself only, and not for Becton Dickinson & Company.
Gary Will
>
>While a typical WCW PPV might get a
>1% or 1.5% buy rate, the typical WWF show gets a 2.5% buy rate as a minimum.
>With the PPV universe as large as it is today, that extra percentage is
>going to work out to be a fair number of people. To these fans, the
>Ric Flair shtick is going to be something new, and I would bet that it
>will draw heat and draw crowds all over again.
It's hard to tell how much of a new audience there will really be.
Vince has done a very good job selling the idea that, by and large,
people equate wrestling with the WWF and that most people have no
knowledge of any wrestling other than the WWF shows. In house show
attendence and PPV buy rates the WWF really does dominate the WCW,
but these numbers are small compared to the weekly audience for
the TV shows, and the ratings show that the WCW is seen by about
3 million people each week. Compare that to their PPV audiences,
which are usually no more than 150,000 households, and it seems that
PPV buy rates are a poor measure of awareness.
It's also hard to say whether the segment of the audience that
follows the WWF but does not know of the WCW will be very impressed
with Flair. But it does look like Flair is going to get a mega-push,
which will probably include defeating many of the big names before
the confrontation with Hogan, so it's possible that he'll be able to
win over a lot of the presumably more mark-oriented audience (although
I don't know of any data to support that characterization of the WWF
viewership). If Vince is honest about trying to eliminate steroids,
Flair could be useful in "re-educating" fans about what a champion
looks like. With Hogan scheduled to do another movie after SummerSlam,
the WWF may have as its active singles title holders Ric Flair and
Bret Hart -- it would be hard to find anyone who'd criticise those
two as exemplars of what champion wrestlers should be.
--Gary Will
Wendell K Gardner
>is a much larger mark percentage. While a typical WCW PPV might get a
>1% or 1.5% buy rate, the typical WWF show gets a 2.5% buy rate as a minimum.
>With the PPV universe as large as it is today, that extra percentage is
>going to work out to be a fair number of people. To these fans, the
>Ric Flair shtick is going to be something new, and I would bet that it
>will draw heat and draw crowds all over again.
> Herb...
After 10-15 minutes of Flair punishing the legs of HH in a TITLE vs TITLE
match, HH finally regains an upright standing position. Mean Gene announces
to the PPV crowd as HH tries to make a comeback - "Hogan armwhips Flair into
the turnbuckle". Suddenly Slick Rick pulls off a patented summersault flip
into the turnbuckle and over the top rope. "OH MY GOD - DID YOU SEE THAT?
Meanwhile Slick Rick trots down the ring apron and climbs up to the top rope
of the ring while HH is (as usual) showing off his pythons.
As HH slowly turn around, Slick Rick jumps and lands a solid right to the
head. To the crowds utter suprise, Flair applies the Figure 4 (as no else can)
to HH. Shortly thereafter, even with all of the little HULKAMANIACS
pleading, HH finally submits.
Every mouth in the house is wide open. Heenan is jumping up and down like a
5 yr old kid with a new toy, Mean Gene is totally speechless as is the crowd.
Finally a microphone is brought into the ring and handed to Flair and we all
hear - IF YOUR GONNA BE THE MAN, YA GOTTA BEAT THE MAN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
-wkg
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| Wendell K. Gardner It is impossible to make people understand |
| their ignorance, for it requires knowledge |
Nicholas J. Simicich
>In article <1991Aug11.1...@watmath.waterloo.edu> hek...@watmsg.waterloo.edu (Herb Kunze) writes:
>>Keep in mind, Nick, that the WWF audience is much larger than WCW's. There
>>is a much larger mark percentage. While a typical WCW PPV might get a
>>1% or 1.5% buy rate, the typical WWF show gets a 2.5% buy rate as a minimum.
>>With the PPV universe as large as it is today, that extra percentage is
>>going to work out to be a fair number of people. To these fans, the
>>Ric Flair shtick is going to be something new, and I would bet that it
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>will draw heat and draw crowds all over again.
>> Herb...
Excellent point, Herb...
>Finally a microphone is brought into the ring and handed to Flair and we all
>hear - IF YOUR GONNA BE THE MAN, YA GOTTA BEAT THE MAN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It was great up until that. Just let me dream that they'll let Heenan
do all of his talking for him. :-)
Chris Bertholf
>embarrassed to assert that Hogan, who's done the job once over the last
>8 years, is a more self-sacrificing company man than Ric Flair, who's
>put over every contender in the NWA/WCW for a decade. I'm sure old-time
>Soviet revisionists lit up cigars after creating woppers like this one.
I thought he did the job twice for titles, and a few other times in non-title
matches to build heat???
Hogan/Savage, Hogan/Warrior, Hogan/Andre, not to mention the times he has
been left beaten and was "seriously injured" to build heat for upcoming
matches. Didn't Urpquack do the tenta-crotch on him. I know these aren't
jobs, but he does let himself be beaten down to build heat...
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Paul Capista
>In article <1991Aug10.1...@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> yon...@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will) writes:
>>Oh come on now! Even Orwell's Newspeak writers would have been
>>embarrassed to assert that Hogan, who's done the job once over the last
>>8 years, is a more self-sacrificing company man than Ric Flair, who's
>>put over every contender in the NWA/WCW for a decade. I'm sure old-time
>>Soviet revisionists lit up cigars after creating woppers like this one.
>
>
>I thought he did the job twice for titles, and a few other times in non-title
>matches to build heat???
Oh please don't count the time hogan lost to andre. Don't you remember
the evil twin ref and the bogus three count?
>
>Hogan/Savage, Hogan/Warrior, Hogan/Andre, not to mention the times he has
>been left beaten and was "seriously injured" to build heat for upcoming
>matches. Didn't Urpquack do the tenta-crotch on him. I know these aren't
>jobs, but he does let himself be beaten down to build heat...
Hogan never put Savage over. Remember Savage won the belt by way
of the championship tournament in WM IV. Jack Tunney ruled
that the transferring of the belt from Andre to Dibiase would not
be allowed and that the championship would be declared vacant.
As a matter of fact Vince wouldn't let Savage win the belt cleanly
in the finals against Dibiase. Hogan had to do a run in with
a chair so that savage could get the pin.
-----
pjc
Mike Steiner
Wince might pull a Bamm-Bamm Bigelow on us again, and have Flair tell Bobby to stuff it, and come into the wiff as a face.
How many top faces does the WWF really have? Hogan, and probably Savage (assuming that he turns at Summer Slam), but that's
about it (well, if Slaughter also turns, maybe three). All the other faces in the WWF, from the personality and crowd appeal standpoint,
are strictly second-rate. Especially if Hogan takes time off for another movie, vince needs a megastar to carry the WWF--Savage can do it,
but with Flair there, I'm putting my money on Ric.
Bob Arthur
>
>Hogan or Flair. Hogan is a company man---he'll do the job. Flair is
>a prima-donna, in my opinion. I doubt he would have signed without a
>guarantee.
younger man? I'm just not a Flair fan so my opinion may be skewed, but he
wasn't showing much his last few years in WCW. I think both he and Hogan
ought to start doing Geritol commercials. And instead of having a jail house
match, the Flair/Hogan loser would have to spend a night in an old folks
home.....the winner too, come to think of it....
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Herb Kunze
Has Hogan ever done a *clean* job since winning the WWF title?
The only instance that comes to mind is his match with the Ultimate
Warrior at WM VI. Certainly, this is the only clean job Hogan has
done on a big show. Have I missed any from the house shows? I don't
think so. Gary's "1 job in 8 years" seems pretty accurate to me.
The infamous title change to Andre the Giant was anything but a clean
job, what with the evil twin referee angle tha Vince ran with. I don't
recall Hogan ever doing a clean job for Savage. Looking back over the
years, maybe I missed some: Bundy? no. Orndorff? no. Anybody?
Ric Flair has entered the clean job Hall Of Fame after putting the
Junkfood Dog over cleanly at the house shows. He put over Sting at
the Bash & Starrcade, he put over Ricky Steamboat - all cleanly.
In past years, he put over Harley Race, Butch Reed, and dozens more.
He's even put over Dusty Rhodes more times than Hawk and Animal can
press the Duster.
And Nick calls Flair a prima-donna and Hogan a company man?!
Herb...
WEL...@miamiu.bitnet
to wrestle the stuffing out of Hogan. Maybe the marks in the WWF can
be educated as to what it's supposed to be all about.
But Vince probably won't let that happen. Will he?
Nahhh!!!!
Kenneth S. Stith
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Rick Flair is never going to be the WWF champion and you are dreaming
big time if you think he is. I can think of three reason right now that
he won't.
1st) You think Vince is going to let the Legend of the NWA/WCW beat the
WWF Legend? Hogan is going to beat Flair to show that the WWF is better
than WCW.
2nd) Realisticaly I think it would look dumb for a pretty badly out of
shape Flair to beat Hogan. If nothing else Hogan is in pretty good shape
(which may or may not be due to steroids) and I don't think Flair has
any "wrestling skills" to counter Hogan's size advantage.
3rd) There are a heck of a lot of wrestlers in the WWF who are easily
better than Flair and would deserve the title over him. To name a
few...Randy Savage, Mr. Perfect, Ted Dibiase, Bret Heart, The British
Bulldog and the list goes on.
The WCW made the good decision to stop trying to stay with the past but
to go onto the future with newer and younger talent (well...they should
have got some first). The only reason that the WWF has Flair is to show
how much better they are than the WCW. It would be a REAL bad move if
the WWF decided to attempt to build the future on the Flair. Unlike the
WCW the WWF has too much talent which would crumble Rick Flair. Flair
should have stayed in the WCW.
--
Ken Stith
kst...@eve.wright.edu
Kenneth S. Stith
First Flair better first get rid of some of his own stuffing.
Bruce Onder
>WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
>
>Rick Flair is never going to be the WWF champion and you are dreaming
>big time if you think he is. I can think of three reason right now that
>he won't.
Wow! Three whole reasons?
>1st) You think Vince is going to let the Legend of the NWA/WCW beat the
>WWF Legend? Hogan is going to beat Flair to show that the WWF is better
>than WCW.
It's obvious to me that Vince would let the Legend of the NWA/WCW deep
kiss his Granny McMahon if it would turn a buck.
The idea is that Flair and Hogan will have a series of battles
extraordinaire, vying for the new unified belt (an idea I like).
And you forget the the WCW is *not* the NWA. The WWWF is an offshoot
of the NWA, so they are not throwing any bones to Jim Herd or company.
>2nd) Realisticaly I think it would look dumb for a pretty badly out of
>shape Flair to beat Hogan. If nothing else Hogan is in pretty good shape
>(which may or may not be due to steroids) and I don't think Flair has
>any "wrestling skills" to counter Hogan's size advantage.
You'll be surprised how much heat this is going to generate. This
angle is *not* for the marks!
>3rd) There are a heck of a lot of wrestlers in the WWF who are easily
>better than Flair and would deserve the title over him. To name a
>few...Randy Savage, Mr. Perfect, Ted Dibiase, Bret Heart, The British
>Bulldog and the list goes on.
Better in what way? Flair generates total cool in interviews. He
even loses his nerve with a veneer of cool. :)
>The WCW made the good decision to stop trying to stay with the past but
>to go onto the future with newer and younger talent (well...they should
>have got some first). The only reason that the WWF has Flair is to show
>how much better they are than the WCW. It would be a REAL bad move if
>the WWF decided to attempt to build the future on the Flair. Unlike the
>WCW the WWF has too much talent which would crumble Rick Flair. Flair
>should have stayed in the WCW.
Wrong.
Ric Flair is a great interview. Maybe he isn't as roided-up as Hogan
and the other circus geeks of the WWF, but he can more than make up in
ring technique, *classy* cheating, and best of all -- interesting
angles.
I'd say you need to come up with three better reasons. I remain
unconvinced by your logic.
>--
>Ken Stith
>kst...@eve.wright.edu
Bruce
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Chris Bertholf
>
>WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
>
>Rick Flair is never going to be the WWF champion and you are dreaming
>big time if you think he is. I can think of three reason right now that
>he won't.
I don't know about those reasons. I'd have to agree with Bruce... Your reasons
are not convincing to me.
Picture this:
Ric flair not only wrestles with the WWF, but also becomes unified champion
of the NWA and the WWF, only to loose the belt within about a year to Chump,
or the Ultimate Roider, or even to (auugh!) Sid buddy.
Flair may not win it for a while, however. I think Wince can use this to his
utmost advantage by taking small indie promotions like Don Owens, which still
allign themselves with the NWA, and use them for talent pools. Flair can
be defending his championship in the indie circuit, giving the indie promoters
a good draw (Billy Jack versus Ric Flair for the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT
CHAMPIONSHIP, next saturday at the Portland Colliseum...) And when Flair
finally looses the NWA belt and it unifies with the WWF belt, Wince
will have a major set of talent to use as local jobbers for upcoming WWF
cards, since the indie promotions will "switch alliances" and be parts of
the WWF... as long as they can get one of their faces on the cards to
defeat (cleanly and convincingly) one of Winces low-totem heels to help
get them over, or keep them drawing.
What do you think?
Andy Isbell
>WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
>Rick Flair is never going to be the WWF champion and you are dreaming
>big time if you think he is. I can think of three reason right now that
>he won't.
>1st) You think Vince is going to let the Legend of the NWA/WCW beat the
>WWF Legend? Hogan is going to beat Flair to show that the WWF is better
>than WCW.
Okay, maybe, but that would certainly buck the trend Vince has been
setting with other wrestlers who jumped from WCW (for example, the
Nasty Boys and Undertaker certainly weren't as successful in the
WCW as they are in the WWF, were they?)
>2nd) Realisticaly I think it would look dumb for a pretty badly out of
>shape Flair to beat Hogan. If nothing else Hogan is in pretty good shape
>(which may or may not be due to steroids) and I don't think Flair has
>any "wrestling skills" to counter Hogan's size advantage.
I didn't know Hogan was in such great shape. Sure, he can sweat
buckets in the ring and still have plenty of energy to do his 15
minute post-match posedown, but he sure doesn't waste that much
energy during the match. Admittedly, I haven't seen Flair wrestle
since probably 1983 (when the NWA was good!), but I don't think it
would take very much "wrestling skill" to be able to take advantage
of Hogan's lack of wrestling ability.
>3rd) There are a heck of a lot of wrestlers in the WWF who are easily
>better than Flair and would deserve the title over him. To name a
>few...Randy Savage, Mr. Perfect, Ted Dibiase, Bret Heart, The British
>Bulldog and the list goes on.
The British Bulldog! Ha Ha. Oh, that was funny. I'll give you
the other four (although, again, I haven't seen Flair in at least 8
years), but the British Bulldog is the biggest waste of muscle mass
I've ever seen in the WWF. He is about as boring an interview as
you can find, and he must be too stupid to be able to learn a new
match script, because every match I've ever seen him in on TV had
the same script. Maybe he refuses to change scripts because he's
finally worked out something that lets him use all three of his
wrestling moves. I get more sick of him every time I see him.
>The WCW made the good decision to stop trying to stay with the past but
>to go onto the future with newer and younger talent (well...they should
>have got some first). The only reason that the WWF has Flair is to show
>how much better they are than the WCW. It would be a REAL bad move if
>the WWF decided to attempt to build the future on the Flair. Unlike the
>WCW the WWF has too much talent which would crumble Rick Flair. Flair
>should have stayed in the WCW.
I don't think the WWF is planning on building their future on
Flair. They may let him win the title, but it would probably be a
brief reign. The only thing worse they could do would be to keep
Hogan as their champion for much longer. Personnally, I would like
to see both of the organizations coexist (I know, wishful
thinking.) They could keep the WWF the way it is for the marks,
and return the NWA to a wrestling federation like it was in the
70's and early 80's for those of us who know better. I wish there
was some organization that I could get on non-cable TV that would
regularly show decent matches where the outcome was unsure. I
refuse to pay for Vince's PPV's, and I get tired of all the hype
for them on the WWF shows.
Well, enough ranting, back to work.
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Vince McMahon (VM) and Randy Savage (RS) referring to Coach's
pushups after the Beverly Brothers match:
VM: "Say, do those look like your regulation pushups?"
RS: "Those are GIRLS' pushups!"