The Holy Grail of Golf
larry
A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
I learned how to make a smooth transition. If you don't know what
that means, I suggest you review Model Golf or SLAP. They state
unequivocally that making a transition is absolutely vital to low
handicap golf. And they are probably right.
Here's why. Every instruction manual and every video and every good
golfer and every instructor says that a correct golf swing should
begin with the hips turning toward the target (which means a weight
shift to the front leg), then the shoulders turn through the address
position and then toward the target, and then the arms and the club.
1-2-3.
Even if we do everything right, good grip, good setup, full shoulder
turn, if we swing our arms down and through without making the hip
turn transition, 2 to 3, our weight will be either on our back leg or
somewhere between. The low point of the swing cannot be predicted and
neither can the clubhead path. We might skull or chunk, the ball
might go anywhere--and this is the source of high handicap erratic
full swing results. Go to any driving range--NOBODY can do a
transition. They are all bringing their arms down without moving onto
their front leg and stabilizing.
So we know the problem and we know the solution-- just make a
transition. But golf is difficult primarily because 99% of golfers
simply cannot do it. I couldn't do it and my own brother has gotten
his handicap down to 5 without this ability. He can't do it either.
He pays the price with erratic full shots, but he has become
fantastically skilled at recoveries and short game. He can score
anyhow--but then he has been playing 30+ years.
It is beautiful to watch good golfers make the transition. Ben Hogan
had the best. Sam Snead was smoooooth as he moved over to his left
leg before his arms came down. Bobby Jones was among the best and
watching him helped me the most. The new "Breaking 90" video of his
is just wonderful in explaining the importance of the hip turn forward
(he didn't call it a transition) to the overall golf swing. He
demonstrates it so well that you feel like you can get up and do it.
I write here because I learned how to do it by combining Bobby Jones
with Dr. Melvin. The Whippy drills, the basic of basic start
necessary to learn to hit a Whippy actually teach a great way to make
an easy and coordinated hip turn. Just add Bobby Jones' aggressive
hip press and then hip turn back durin the takeaway to Dr. Melvin's
"feet together" drill and you will make a beautiful transition-- and
hit the ball straight with a 2 -iron!!!
Eureka!
Today I hit every club in my bag straight and long as easy as
pie--with my feet together and making an aggressive hip turn toward
the target. I will slowly widen my stance over time, but instantly go
back to feet together if I lose it.
This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
regulation.
larry
Roald Oines
: Well,
Etc. etc. That stuff is endless and almost impossible to learn. AND,
none of the touring pros swing like that.
Just think about it. The "Iron Byron" golf club swinging machine grips
the club with a single finger-- and can hit the ball 300 yards or more.
It can do that ONLY because it does NOT use leverage (it cannot with
just a single finger on the handle). It MUST allow the club to build up
speed centrifugally and accelerate through impact.
That is exactly the way we should swing. Centrifugally without hand
interference--no Leverage. That is the method taught by Earnest Jones
"Swing the Clubhead" and was the most popular golf teaching method in
the world for the first hundred years of golf-- until 1965 or so when
"leverage" came in. But it is still here; every touring pro actually
swings like that-- they DO NOT think of mechanical factors like elbow,
knees, weight shift, etc. When you swing the clubhead centrifugally,all
of that just happens naturally-- as a RESULT of your swing and not
visa-versa. You can hit the ball straight and long with your legs
together, wide apart, standing on one leg, etc. The setup is
unimportant. The grip is not very important. Everything works if you
just let the clubhead swing freely.
Earnest Jones taught by saying just one phrase over and over again:
"swing the clubhead". When that simple concept finally sinks in-- every
ball goes straight and far when we finally learn to just let the
clubhead swing without hand interference. Duhhh
Manuel De La Torre has a new book about the "swing the clubhead'
concept. Get it and learn the the easiest and most correct way to
swing. Golf is actually simple. Now go work on your short game.
Larry Whitaker (2/14/2002)
(Sorry, I just *had* to!)
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Ron Blanchard
> Well,
>
> A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
>
>
> This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
> regulation.
>
> larry
Fantastic!! You should be ready to post a video of that swing now!
2-iron, whip-O-meister, driver ... any will do.
Also, post back when you break 80 for real.
Oh, almost forgot, we'll have to wait a few weeks for the chipping and
putting epiphany.
--
Ron
Mike Dalecki
Nice Troll.
Mike
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bill-o
wrote:
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>
>Eureka!
<snip>
>
>This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
>regulation.
>
He's gone an figured it out again folks!
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Glfnaz
"bill-o" <assim...@borg.org> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:05:56 -0800, larry <la...@delmardata.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> >Eureka!
>
> <snip>
> >
> >This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
> >regulation.
> >
>
> He's gone an figured it out again folks!
>
> bill-o
>
Swing the clubhead.
No weight shift.
Dead hands.
No transition...
Play the ball off the right foot.
Manny de l ' Nobody
Kiss Sowinski
Weed Wackers
I can bench press 300 lbs at 63.
Slap screwed me up, set me way back!
Jay Lumpkin
Don't ever flex a shaft
Whippy Melvin, don't flex the flexible shaft
Slap transition is impossible
Slap transition is the solution.
Short game is everything.
I play every Sat with the boys but never post my scores
Universal rotating wrists
My Private public access CC
Come on down I'll play anybody...but if you call or e-mail I'll pretend I
never saw it....
Ha!
"R&B"
>
> A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
A veritable perfect storm of impotence.
Randy
Travis
hell, so did I. I finally figured out the secret to hitting crisp
pitch shots. worked all the way around the golf course today. every
single pitch shot was crisp and accurate. (of course, I could not putt
for shit today, wouldnt you know it)
now, the fact that this may be the 57th "secret" to pitching that i
have discovered in my search for that illusive magic did not deter me
from rejoicing that "this time" I finally have it, the holy grail of
pitching.
tomorrow, ah yes, there is always tomorrow. and some other flaw will
need some other ''secret" to help me out on my biggest of issues, the
illusive pitch shot.
Travis
larry
>:
>: Today I hit every club in my bag straight and long as easy as
>: pie--with my feet together and making an aggressive hip turn toward
>: the target. I will slowly widen my stance over time, but instantly go
>: back to feet together if I lose it.
>:
>: This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
>: regulation.
>:
>: larry
>
>Etc. etc. That stuff is endless and almost impossible to learn. AND,
>none of the touring pros swing like that.
they ALL swing like that. Or else Model Golf is wildly wrong.
Thanks and all true, and it works exactly like that IF we swing while
our hips are facing the target, our weight on our front leg instead of
the back one. My Head Pro teaches this swing and uses that swing and
he is among the best teaching pro players in the world. He turns his
hips toward the target before his arms come down. He told me to do
that, but I couldn't. Just think about it, if your pivot point is
steady, the arms can propel the ball straight. If the pivot point is
behind your front leg someplace, you will swing around that point
instead, and either slice or pull-hook.
EVERY pro and good player transitions up to their front leg before
their arms come down.
This is not debatable. Just watch any of thei swings.
Learn to do that or continue suffering from erratic ball flight. Very
simple.
Larry
larry
<rblan...@verizon.net> wrote:
>larry wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
>>
>> I learned how to make a smooth transition. <snip>
>
>>
>> This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
>> regulation.
>>
>> larry
>
>Fantastic!! You should be ready to post a video of that swing now!
>2-iron, whip-O-meister, driver ... any will do.
I may do that tomorrow.
Larry
>
>Also, post back when you break 80 for real.
>
>Oh, almost forgot, we'll have to wait a few weeks for the chipping and
>putting epiphany.
So it is Winter where you are? Poor thing, I can practice in the warm
sunshine several hours every afternoon. See ya in the Spring. You'll
still be doing whatever you were doing last October.
Larry
Glfnaz
"larry" <la...@delmardata.com> wrote in message
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And you're still a high handicap chop, while Ron is a low handicap golfer.
Haven't figgered that out yet Larry?
Larry St. Regis
> Well,
>
> A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
>
> I learned how to make a smooth transition. If you don't know what
> that means, I suggest you review Model Golf or SLAP. They state
> unequivocally that making a transition is absolutely vital to low
> handicap golf. And they are probably right.
Good grief ... now I'm a believer. He truly is a troll.
Larry S
--
Handicap?! GOLF ... of course!!
larry
I understand that 700+ read the postiings here. Not likely. Amazing
that 99% of the postings are from only a dozen nut cases? don't you
guys wonder why? Aren't you worried that they have all gone on to
other forums or The Golf Channel?
See ya.
Larry
Zuke
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, larry wrote:
>
> Today I hit every club in my bag straight and long as easy as
> pie--with my feet together and making an aggressive hip turn toward
> the target. I will slowly widen my stance over time, but instantly go
> back to feet together if I lose it.
>
> This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
> regulation.
>
> larry
>
I'd say the Holy Grail of golf is to hit the ball hard in the hitting
area. ANy thoughts other than balance is going to blow up on you.
I don't see how people can concentrate on leading with hips or any of
the other poisitional advice. I see people trying to do this and it's
like getting an elephant to dance.
Zuke
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Roald Oines wrote:
> larry (la...@delmardata.com) wrote:
> : Well,
> :
> : A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
> :
> : I learned how to make a smooth transition. If you don't know what
> : that means, I suggest you review Model Golf or SLAP. They state
> of that just happens naturally-- as a RESULT of your swing and not
> visa-versa. You can hit the ball straight and long with your legs
> together, wide apart, standing on one leg, etc. The setup is
> unimportant. The grip is not very important. Everything works if you
> just let the clubhead swing freely.
YOu have me until the grip statement. The grip is the most important
fundamental of golf. I don't think you can be a scratch player without
a good grip and when good players go bad the first place to look is
the grip.
Dave Clary
<lstregis@DONT_SPAM_HEREi4putt.com> wrote:
>
>Good grief ... now I'm a believer. He truly is a troll.
>
>Larry S
Bingo! DO NOT FEED!
five...@webtv.net
>A confluence of event just landed a >major discovery for me.
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Well, if you can do it - anyone can.:--)
Thanks for taking the time to annunciate the matter.
moral: Be an hippie, on the downswing - the hips should start twisting
first, for the weight transfer to the left foot. Gotcha - Fore!!!
m h o
vƒe
Ron Blanchard
<snip>
>
> So it is Winter where you are?
Yep, very astute of you.
Poor thing, I can practice in the warm
> sunshine several hours every afternoon.
Sounds as though you *need* to.
See ya in the Spring.
I seriously doubt it, unless you're going to be in Tucson in April.
You'll
> still be doing whatever you were doing last October.
You mean, like playing golf? I played in November, December, and
January too. Darndest thing, playing in cold, rainy weather in terrible
conditions, my last three gross rounds are 80, 78, and 79. (ESC - 79,
76, 78).
I wonder what kinds of scores I could shoot on pampered, manicured
country-club style courses with big fat greens?
>
> Larry
>
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Ron
five...@webtv.net
>That is exactly the way we should swing. >Centrifugally without hand
>interference--no Leverage.
In my opinion - centrifugal should not even be in a gofer's vernacular
while striking the ball.
When you entertain the idea of creating / addressing centrifugal force,
you are just adding another - fault to compensate for.
I find the content of your post to be somewhat semantic in nature, and
w/ o substance, others might not.
btw - how is the iron byron going to use centrifugal force to an
advantage - other than in a passive manner?
m h o
vƒe
Roald Oines
Howard Brazee
GIRs, you can skip this and concentrate on putting.
Smooth
<r_f_...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> The "Iron Byron" golf club swinging machine grips
> the club with a single finger-- and can hit the ball 300 yards or more.
> It can do that ONLY because it does NOT use leverage (it cannot with
> just a single finger on the handle).
I know you're throwing Larry own words back at him, so I guess this
reply is to him.
"A single finger" has nothing to do with leverage. Leverage is simply a
large movement on one end of the lever creating a small but powerful
movement on the other end. How many fingers are involved has nothing to
do with it.
larry
"Leverage \Lev"er*age\ (l[e^]v"[~e]r*[asl]j or l[=e]"v[~e]r*[asl]j),
n. The action of a lever; mechanical advantage gained by the lever.
(Mech.), the perpendicular distance between the lines of action of two
forces which act in parallel and opposite directions."
TWO lines of action--i.e. a differential of forces on the handle by
the two hands-- bending the shaft --and using a golf club like a
garden hoe or ax--and not as designed.
Larry
Robert Davis
someone spoofing Larry ... "SLAP is right ... SLAP is crap ... SLAP is
right ... SLAP is ???". But anyone that would seriously title a post
"The Holy Grail of Golf" and then include the word "eureka" is just
asking for the Golf Gods to smite him 8^).
Rob
larry
wrote:
>Wow ... it's getting hard to tell if this is really Larry or just
>someone spoofing Larry ... "SLAP is right ... SLAP is crap ... SLAP is
>right ... SLAP is ???". But anyone that would seriously title a post
>"The Holy Grail of Golf" and then include the word "eureka" is just
>asking for the Golf Gods to smite him 8^).
>
>Rob
SLAP is right, of course, the fundamentals are correct by definition.
But I couldn't learn with their method. Could you?
My difference with them is only in teaching method.
If you have a sincere and reasoned argument with my post, please put
it out here. If you can only ridicule what does that mean?
Larry
I
Robert Davis
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:24:22 GMT, Robert Davis <res0...@gte.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Wow ... it's getting hard to tell if this is really Larry or just
>>someone spoofing Larry ... "SLAP is right ... SLAP is crap ... SLAP is
>>right ... SLAP is ???". But anyone that would seriously title a post
>>"The Holy Grail of Golf" and then include the word "eureka" is just
>>asking for the Golf Gods to smite him 8^).
>>
>>Rob
>
>
> SLAP is right, of course, the fundamentals are correct by definition.
> But I couldn't learn with their method. Could you?
>
> My difference with them is only in teaching method.
>
> If you have a sincere and reasoned argument with my post, please put
> it out here. If you can only ridicule what does that mean?
>
> Larry
>
Actually, I tend to agree with that analysis of SLAP ... it's a good
reference but I don't love learning golf through those detailed
positions and movements.
But my point was that there *is no* holy grail of golf, that your
secret-of-the-week style posts tend to prove that, and to post that
you have found the holy grail is somewhat ridiculous IMHO. Just
because I tried to inject a little humor (note smiley face) doesn't
make that any less "sincere" or "reasoned".
Rob
Mike Dalecki
Question 1: How many times has Larry found "the secret"?
Question 2: What are the odds that this time, he really has?
Mike
larry
>
>Actually, I tend to agree with that analysis of SLAP ... it's a good
>reference but I don't love learning golf through those detailed
>positions and movements.
>
>But my point was that there *is no* holy grail of golf, that your
>secret-of-the-week style posts tend to prove that, and to post that
>you have found the holy grail is somewhat ridiculous IMHO. Just
>because I tried to inject a little humor (note smiley face) doesn't
>make that any less "sincere" or "reasoned".
>
>Rob
of course that is correct. No ONE thing is that important.
BUTI have come to believe that this one thing, failure to make a
transition, is the central error that all high handicapper have in
common. Almost none of us can do it, and conversely when one of gets
it, we immediately abandon the ranks of high and go to the world of
low handicap golf. That added to the other solid fundamentals of
grip, stance, takeaway will enable us to hit greens instead of relying
on short game to recover from misses. I believe it is that
important--and for the golfer with everything else in place-- it
really is the holy grail or missing link.
This is not my opinion-- It is what Model Golf and Bobby Jones and
Percy Boomer and essentially every golf authority says.
Learning a transition is worth working night and day to learn. I
posted because I found a way to learn it--and I had been trying
unsuccessfully for 2 years!
Larry
Howard Brazee
On 20-Feb-2004, Mike Dalecki <mi...@clubdoctor.com> wrote:
> Question 1: How many times has Larry found "the secret"?
I hope find "the secret" many times myself. I've found it a few times already.
But once found, it is no longer "the secret".
> Question 2: What are the odds that this time, he really has?
That he has discovered something that helps his current game? Fairly good.
In discovering how to post it without coming across the way he has in the past?
Not very good.
Howard Brazee
On 20-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> BUTI have come to believe that this one thing, failure to make a
> transition, is the central error that all high handicapper have in
> common. Almost none of us can do it, and conversely when one of gets
> it, we immediately abandon the ranks of high and go to the world of
> low handicap golf.
I believe that is over-stating. With the right instruction this can be one of
the first things learned (lucky student). But it is one of several things that
have to be learned to move to low-handicap golf.
You've shared many of your discoveries that helped your game get to where it was
before this one. If you had learned this skill first, you would still need to
learn some or all of the other skills to move up.
And you weren't wrong last week when you emphasized the short game. How much
will this discovery change your (or my) handicap without improving your (my)
short game?
larry
wrote:
Good post Howard,
I REALLY wish I had learned a transition early on as I began to learn
to swing a golf club. Likely, however, that is just too hard for most
beginners. It may have been impossible for me. I had a hell of a
time learning to swing, everything felt weird, grip, stance, etc.
I have no definitely proof that it is almost impossible for all
beginners, but the evidence is overwhelming that beginners simply
can't grasp the concept. Simply go to any driving range and any golf
club and watch them swing. ALMOST NONE can make a transition. Some
have been playing years and years. My brother played for 30+ years
and got down to low single digit handicap without making a transition.
And now I know what happened, he simply built a leveraged swing around
that central fault. Because he was necessarily erratic off the tee
and also off the fairway, he built a great recovery and short game in
order to score. He became so skilled that he could almost "get up and
down from the ball washer."
But the central problem was that he couldn't hit it straight when he
really needed to--and according to all the authorities, that is
because he didn't make a full turn back and that because his hip turn
was not sufficient. Since he didn't turn back with hips or shoulders,
he couldn't turn forward either and thus he couldn't move to his front
leg before his shoulders started down and his arms came through.
The only exceptions to the great difficulty of learning a transition
that I know of are some young guys who began golf in their teens--and
after a LOT of baseball. They simply adapted their baseball swing and
never looked back--a great transition from day one. They never tensed
up over setup and grip details, etc. They just swung and it worked. .
Those who point out my seeming inconsistencies over the last year or
so have noticed the results of my continuous learning and developing.
I posted what I thought at the time. But those are not really
inconsistencies. I built each new skill on top of those previously
accomplished and slowly realized that both Ernest Jones and SLAP,
seemingly sort of contradictory, are correct and NOT contradictory.
The fundamentals must be observed. Ernest Jones was right and likely
many great golfers got all they needed for championship golf by simply
swinging their arms toward the target. They were successful because
they unconsciously added the transition-- women especially. I
developed a nice relaxed swing doing that, but I still often hit it
off line and hit fat or thin. Now I realize it was because I did not
transition--Like about 99% of us, I swung while standing on my back
leg instead of turning my hips forward BEFORE before my shoulders
turned back.
Over a year ago I knew exactly what I was doing wrong. I saw it on
videos and Jay Lumpkin told me that the hip turn forward was vital and
that I needed to start my downswing with either left knee driving
forward, right heel down firmly, or a strong hip turn toward the
target. He actually grabbed my pants side pockets and yanked my hips
around to demonstrate. I got the idea, but I still couldn't do it
with a ball down there. Later on the range when I tried starting my
downswing with any of those moves from a standard stance I would
really miss, usually push the ball wildly left (I am lefty). The
results were disastrous and frustrating. If I wanted to play at all,
I had to quit that and stick with something that worked on the course
and continue to develop a better swing while on the range. I drove it
well, but I would often miss by 20 yards sideways from 150 out.
Suddenly pull it right usually. Without my brother's great short
game, I continued shooting mid to high 80s.
Then, a confluence of factors suddenly turned the light on for me--
Working with the Whippy while studying Bobby Jones made something
"click." The next day I went to the range and combined the feet
together whippy drill with the strong Bobby Jones hip press to start
the swing then very pronounced hip turn back as I backswung-- that
apparently put me in a position where I almost had to turn my hips
forward in order to downswing-- and VOILA, I had a nice smooth
transition. It worked so well I almost cried. I hit 100 balls with
every club in my bag to prove it-- and I would have loved to have
anyone, even a touring pro, stand behind me and watch me nail 3-iron
out of sight and frozen rope straight -- off a matt lie!
I am excited and I hope others will be too.
Larry
Howard Brazee
at your swing on the camera, seeing if your hip moved to where the line you drew
on the monitor.
The reason we see so many bad swings at the range is that most people don't
start off with the correct lessons, feedback, and effort to get the swing
correct. Instead we play, listen to lots of advice from people who aren't
qualified to analyze our swings, and figure that we will get there naturally.
So we learn bad habits.
Then we decide that we're not improving the way we had hoped, and see a pro.
The pro tells us how to fix one or two of our learned faults, and we go out and
practice. We don't see our swing and end up practicing something that isn't
quite what the pro taught us. Or we start playing and find the pressures of
competition cause us to lose the feeling we were trying for on the range.
And then we practice this new tensor, wrong swing.
And unlearning a well practiced fault is difficult.
larry
wrote:
>This is where something like Bogart works out well. All winter long you look
Wow, sounds almost impossible! Makes you wonder how anyone can begin
late and ever hope to play well.
Of course most have long since given up and resigned themselves to be
satisfied with what they have, no more drills and very little range
time, no short game practice either. They just play. Thankfully they
also support the golf equipment industry by buying a shiny new driver
now and then and new clubs every few years, shoot the same score, but
so what? Gives their wives something to buy them for birthdays and
christmas. ha
Nothing wrong with that. In fact that is what my wife suggests I do
also. (She also suggested I be satisfied when I was a mediocre tennis
player). But that ain't me. I nearly killed myself learning to play
WAY above my age level. Before I quit I could beat most 30 year olds
because I had paid the price to learn the best strategy and technique.
After I wore my friends out I paid the pros to hit with me and then I
would be out there hitting serves until the sun went down. And now I
have made becoming a decent golfer more than just another of my
obsessive projects-- more like a mission! Where is that windmill??
This sport is definitely harder than tennis, ha.
larry
five...@webtv.net
>I posted because I found a way to learn >it--
>and I had been trying unsuccessfully for >2 years!
>Larry
Let 'er rip Larry, if it feels good, do it. You don't have to make an
excuse, let 'em take it, or leave it, or just leave.
There are some people who have something to say worthwhile, and then
there are those who feel like, they have to say something, the latter
ones are those that don't / can't put their brain in gear - before they
open their mouths, what brain?:--)
btw - have you ever noticed that the ones that have no idea what the
hell is going on, have the biggest mouths, just like catfish, all mouth,
and no brains.
m h o
vƒe
larry
I want to suggest something for all of us who cannot do a transition.
It is the way I intend to play for the foreseeable future.
We can hit it straight and score by simply playing the course with our
feet together or almost together; we fake a transition. I know that
seems counter-productive, but the ball goes almost the same distance
with feet together. AND, since you will make crisp contact and avoid
chunking or thinned shots, it may go MUCH farther.
This is a smart interim fix for those (myself included) who cannot yet
move up onto our front leg with hips turned toward the target
BEFOREour shoulders and our arms swing through. The reason this
works is simple: The hinge or pivot point for our swing remains over
our front leg, where it would be if we made a transition with a normal
stance. The HUGE benefit is that we will not be pull-hooking or
slicing or chunking or skulling because our pivot point stayed over
our back leg. It works so well it is scary!!
If you're skeptical, just try it on the range, suddenly you will be
able to make a huge Tiger-like follow through. I think you will be
amazed.
Should an engineer be allowed to play this game?
Larry
five...@webtv.net
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are doing a terrific job of exercising w/o really stopping to think -
what they are out there for.
the most benefit is derived by planning for your golfing exercise, and
following the plan. Think about it, get a direction, keep notes.
m h o
vƒe
Smooth
<la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> TWO lines of action--i.e. a differential of forces on the handle by
> the two hands-- bending the shaft --and using a golf club like a
> garden hoe or ax--and not as designed.
Bending the shaft is torque, not leverage.
five...@webtv.net
two hand - might be a misnomer as used here, the right hand is passive
when it comes to calling the strike strategy, it just goes along for the
ride, and only comes into play when called up on.
the left hand makes all the decisions, or should.
mho
v ƒe
------.
>TWO lines of action--i.e.
>a differential of forces on the handle by >the two hands-- bending the
shaft --and >using a golf club like a garden hoe or >ax--and not as
designed.
>Bending the shaft is torque, not leverage.
>Smooth
larry
You should send that in to Dictionary.com. My post is a copy and
paste from their definition, verbatim. But obviously you know
better!!!!
Hey everyone, one of our RSG'ers is smarter than the entire board of a
dictionary!! WOW!
Larry
Glfnaz
"larry" <la...@delmardata.com> wrote in message
news:seid30lnpa6u469oj...@4ax.com...
Thats not as dumb as posting that the ball should be played off the back
foot, there is no weight shift, and that shafts shouldn't flex. Now thats
dumb.
Sparky
On 19-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
>
> I learned how to make a smooth transition.
From what? Dumbass to Supreme dumbass?
me
-not a dumbass
Sparky
On 19-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> So it is Winter where you are? Poor thing, I can practice in the warm
> sunshine several hours every afternoon. See ya in the Spring. You'll
> still be doing whatever you were doing last October.
Yeah, shooting in the 70's and loving it....
me
Sparky
On 20-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> If you have a sincere and reasoned argument with my post, please put
> it out here. If you can only ridicule what does that mean?
It means a lot more entertainment for us in the gallery tha's for sure...
me
Sparky
On 20-Feb-2004, Mike Dalecki <mi...@clubdoctor.com> wrote:
> Question 1: How many times has Larry found "the secret"?
>
> Question 2: What are the odds that this time, he really has?
Nope, sorry, I keep "The Secret" in a small armored box in the back of my
closet.....
me
Smooth
<la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> You should send that in to Dictionary.com. My post is a copy and
> paste from their definition, verbatim. But obviously you know
> better!!!!
From dictionary.com:
Leverage
a. The action of a lever.
b. The mechanical advantage of a lever.
Torque
A turning or twisting force.
Bonus defintion:
Time
That which is wasted in conversing with Larry.
bighorn_bill
> btw - have you ever noticed that the ones that have no idea what the
> hell is going on, have the biggest mouths, just like catfish, all mouth,
> and no brains.
Come to think of it...
Billy The Hacker
>> A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
>>
>> I learned how to make a smooth transition.
>
>From what? Dumbass to Supreme dumbass?
>
>
>me
>-not a dumbass
Heh. Email me when you get a chance, Sparky. I've got something for
you.
B AT teambilly dot com.
-billy
Andy
still chuggin along?
http://www.pbase.com/andrcom
bighorn_bill
> move up onto our front leg with hips turned toward the target
> BEFOREour shoulders and our arms swing through.
The reason you can't make the weight shift is that you are turning
your hips and straightening your right knee too much on the backswing,
and taking the club back too far.
If you just try to "quiet" the lower body on the backswing, the weight
shift will occur automatically.
larry
wrote:
I love it. The exact opposite of what Bobby Jones, Greg Norman, and
about 500 others say--every one of them insist that the downswing MUST
begin with a move that shifts the weight from the back foot so we can
turns the lower body (the hips) which then pull the upper torso around
which then pull the arms around toward the target.
BTW, Bobby Jones straightened his right knee on his backswing--as he
fully turned his hips back to begin the swing--
If we "quiet" the lower body instead of starting our downswing with
hips, we can only start the downswing with shoulders or arms, classic
OTT, beautiful two-fairway slices, and maybe someday crack 120!
Thanks for the great advice!
So where do you teach?
Larry
Colleyville Alan
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:26:57 GMT, "Roald Oines"
> >:
> >: Today I hit every club in my bag straight and long as easy as
> >: pie--with my feet together and making an aggressive hip turn toward
> >: the target. I will slowly widen my stance over time, but instantly go
> >: back to feet together if I lose it.
> >:
> >: This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
> >: regulation.
> >:
> >: larry
> >
> >Etc. etc. That stuff is endless and almost impossible to learn. AND,
> >none of the touring pros swing like that.
>
> they ALL swing like that. Or else Model Golf is wildly wrong.
Yes, they ALL swing like that. But back in February, 2002, you claimed that
NONE of them swung a club like that.
snip
> EVERY pro and good player transitions up to their front leg before
> their arms come down.
>
> This is not debatable. Just watch any of thei swings.
That is what I told you two years ago, but you then lied and said that you
never claimed that no pros use a transition. You do get a lot of responses,
but you aren't terribly creative for a troll.
BTW, I just got back from Princeville, Kauai and I shot 68/63 on the Makai
course (Woods/Ocean) for a lovely total of 131 (not bad for me). So I am a
very high handicapper. You say that if someone challenges you, you will set
the venue and the rules. Ok, but you have also said that swinging with ZERO
leverage enables one to use a rope instead of a club shaft and still hit the
ball straight. So here is a proposition: I will play against you, the $150
Nassau you offered Brad will be the stakes and you can name the course.
BUT, I get to use my Clevelands and other standard clubs and (aside from the
putter), you use a clubhead on the end of a rope. How 'bout it?
Alan
Colleyville Alan
news:AoeZb.130$3F6....@news.uswest.net...
> Swing the clubhead.
> No weight shift.
> Dead hands.
> No transition...
> Play the ball off the right foot.
> Manny de l ' Nobody
> Kiss Sowinski
> Weed Wackers
> I can bench press 300 lbs at 63.
> Slap screwed me up, set me way back!
> Jay Lumpkin
> Don't ever flex a shaft
> Whippy Melvin, don't flex the flexible shaft
> Slap transition is impossible
> Slap transition is the solution.
> Short game is everything.
> I play every Sat with the boys but never post my scores
> Universal rotating wrists
> My Private public access CC
> Come on down I'll play anybody...but if you call or e-mail I'll pretend I
> never saw it....
> Ha!
Larry, the bipolar golfer. Has a nice ring.
I once lived in San Diego. It was a nice place and I never ran into a nut
like Larry Whitaker. Three cheers for fate.
Colleyville Alan
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:24:55 GMT, bill-o <assim...@borg.org> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:05:56 -0800, larry <la...@delmardata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >>
> >>Eureka!
> >
> ><snip>
> >>
> >>This really is the Holy Grail of golf. Now I will hit greens in
> >>regulation.
> >>
> >
> >
> >bill-o
> >
> >Host of RSG-StL
> >http://www.geocities.com/billo39206/
>
> I understand that 700+ read the postiings here. Not likely. Amazing
> that 99% of the postings are from only a dozen nut cases?
About 1/2 dozen of the nut cases are Larry Whitaker.
>don't you guys wonder why? Aren't you worried that they have all gone on
to
> other forums or The Golf Channel?
No. I wonder why you troll RSG. Easy pickins I imagine.
Colleyville Alan
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:40:14 -0800, larry <la...@delmardata.com>
>
> I want to suggest something for all of us who cannot do a transition.
> It is the way I intend to play for the foreseeable future.
>
> We can hit it straight and score by simply playing the course with our
> feet together or almost together; we fake a transition. I know that
> seems counter-productive, but the ball goes almost the same distance
> with feet together. AND, since you will make crisp contact and avoid
> chunking or thinned shots, it may go MUCH farther.
Will you play Brad (for money) with your feet together?
>
> Should an idiot allowed to play this game?
>
> Larry
bighorn_bill
Quiet the lower body on the BACKSWING, dufus.
Like Tiger Woods and Michele Wie, for starters.
Why don't you give a complete list of the current pro players that
straighten their right knee on the backswing vs the ones that keep
it anchored, and back it up with video. Go find a single pro
in the reg_swings locker that straightens the right knee.
Howard Brazee
On 22-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> I love it. The exact opposite of what Bobby Jones, Greg Norman, and
> about 500 others say--every one of them insist that the downswing MUST
> begin with a move that shifts the weight from the back foot so we can
> turns the lower body (the hips) which then pull the upper torso around
> which then pull the arms around toward the target.
Tiger says that he starts his foreswing by dropping his arms. Video shows that
this isn't quite true.
bighorn_bill
Exactly. The weight shift happens automatically for him as a reaction
to the backswing. He doesn't have to think about it.
On the other hand, if he were to straighten his knee and over-rotate his
hips on the backswing, collapse his left elbow, and swing way past parallel,
he would have to put a lot of concious effort into the weight shift.
Patrick Powers
>
> On the other hand, if he were to straighten his knee and over-rotate his
> hips on the backswing, collapse his left elbow, and swing way past parallel,
> he would have to put a lot of concious effort into the weight shift.
While if he were to whistle Dixie while winking at the blonde behind
the 14th green while balancing a whiskey sour on his left elbow then
the stock market of Germany would go up 53 points.
larry
wrote:
Well, if you must make swing errors, it is a far worse one to tense up
and fail to complete your turn than to straighten your right knee.
Tension will kill everything. Bobby Jones then and a zillion others
now prove every day that you can successful rotate your hips forward
and make a very nice swing from a straightened right knee--if you
don't sway back. It is NOT a "death move" as McClain says. What IS a
death move is siding your hips back while straightening that knee.
Nobody can rotate forward from there.
Larry
larry
Powers) wrote:
>bighor...@hotmail.com (bighorn_bill) wrote in message news:<30d1c39a.04022...@posting.google.com>...
>
>>
>> On the other hand, if he were to straighten his knee and over-rotate his
>> hips on the backswing, collapse his left elbow, and swing way past parallel,
>> he would have to put a lot of concious effort into the weight shift.
I did a Callaway "Performance Center" swing analysis today. They were
fitting me for new Callaway clubs and in the process performed the
most exhaustive swing analysis possible, cameras and computer analysis
from 4 directions simultaneously. I will post the printout results
for anyone interested, but basically I do it right. He said my iron
swing is pro quality. My driver swing is Ok, but no faults. I must
be doing something right. Maybe all those whippy drills and VJ Singh
"connected" imitation came together under the hot lights.
Larry
Bryce
> I did a Callaway "Performance Center" swing analysis today. They were
> fitting me for new Callaway clubs
Aren't you the same shit for brains who said fitted clubs were a waste of
money and a joke on the golfer?
bighorn_bill
Then what's the problem with posting the actual video?
ShaneOttawa
> No weight shift.
> Dead hands.
> No transition...
> Play the ball off the right foot.
> Manny de l ' Nobody
> Kiss Sowinski
> Weed Wackers
> I can bench press 300 lbs at 63.
> Slap screwed me up, set me way back!
> Jay Lumpkin
> Don't ever flex a shaft
> Whippy Melvin, don't flex the flexible shaft
> Slap transition is impossible
> Slap transition is the solution.
> Short game is everything.
> I play every Sat with the boys but never post my scores
> Universal rotating wrists
> My Private public access CC
> Come on down I'll play anybody...but if you call or e-mail I'll pretend I
> never saw it....
> Ha!
Fool...you forgot his most important insight towards better golf -
practice at the range while you have a list of badly written tips from
a golf magazine scattered around your feet.
ShaneOttawa
> I'd say the Holy Grail of golf is to hit the ball hard in the hitting
> area. ANy thoughts other than balance is going to blow up on you.
> I don't see how people can concentrate on leading with hips or any of
> the other poisitional advice. I see people trying to do this and it's
> like getting an elephant to dance.
IMO, that's the fundamental flaw with Larry's discoveries (other than
his love for absolute statements and refusal to recognize reality) -
he breaks the swing movement into component parts and focusses on one
of them as the key. What he doesn't recognize is that the movement is
a chain of events. For example, I see the weight shift more as the
by-product of good things happening before it, rather than something
to concentrate on. Those who concentrate on weight shift may be doomed
to exageratting it and doing nothing to the swing to help ensure it
happens naturally (as it should).
In Larry's defence (ugh), he's not alone in trying to get elephants to
dance...too much of the golf industry is devoted to it.
ShaneOttawa
> and got down to low single digit handicap without making a transition.
> And now I know what happened, he simply built a leveraged swing around
> that central fault. Because he was necessarily erratic off the tee
> and also off the fairway, he built a great recovery and short game in
> order to score. He became so skilled that he could almost "get up and
> down from the ball washer."
How truly erratic was he? Someone erratic both off the tee and fairway
(although how often did he get the chance to be erratic off the
fairway given his erratic tee shots. But I digress...) would have to
be the genetic spawn of Ballesteros and Michelson around the greens to
be a low single digit handicapper.
Or are you just exagerrating?
ShaneOttawa
>
> > A confluence of event just landed a major discovery for me.
> >
> > I learned how to make a smooth transition.
>
> From what? Dumbass to Supreme dumbass?
>
>
> me
> -not a dumbass
Sparky, that was mean spirited and unnecessary.
Perhaps that's why I laughed so hard.
larry
I didn't buy the clubs, I only got the computer analysis, which costs
$50.00.
So where do you dump garbage? Talking like that, you obviously
couldn't be any sort of professional. And, if you were in my physical
presence and said that, you would need some dental work!
Did someone ask why I don't attend RSG events? BUFFOONS!!! You can
look it up, Bryce. Someone will loan you a dictionary.
Larry
larry
wrote:
There is no video. And even if there were, who here is qualified to
assess anyone's swing, even their own, by looking at a video of the
swing? There are very good reasons that many teaching pros consider
video analysis silly and even counter-productive. Hale Irwin comes to
mind. The Head Pro at my club, a nationally recognized teacher,
distains video analysis and will not allow it at our club. The ball
flight tells you all you need to know. Read Manuel De La Torre's
book: "Understanding the Golf Swing." It includes a chart that gives
the swing fault that causes each ball flight pattern.
The "bottom line" is what happens to the ball. If it goes good and
that can be repeated, it doesn't matter what one looks like while
propelling it. Furyk, Daly, Trevino, etc. etc. etc.
Larry
larry
wrote:
He has PGA pro ability around and on the greens. Spends hours some
days just putting--drawing chalk lines, charting strokes, etc. He has
his own putting green. He practices like hardly anyone but a touring
pro has the patience to do. He is a recovery "artist," of course
because he has had so many opportunities to invent ways to get it
close from horrible positions, under trees, behind rocks, beside the
OB fence, while standing in water, etc. etc.
Larry
larry
wrote:
Buffoons! You guys deserve each other-- and should not wonder why I
and other polite and sincere people would never show up at an RSG
event. Life is too short to rub elbows with low lives. What do you
talk about, the best technique for dumping garbage cans and your
ambition to someday become the driver? I have never known a
professional who would gratuitously insult someone.
Larry
Howard Brazee
On 27-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> Did someone ask why I don't attend RSG events? BUFFOONS!!! You can
> look it up, Bryce. Someone will loan you a dictionary.
I'd much rather spend a weekend playing golf with a bunch of RSG people - even
if it included a buffoon or two, than to talk about golf on the internet with a
bunch of RSG people - even if it included a buffoon or two.
Since you posted the above, I infer that your druthers are opposite mine here.
Howard Brazee
On 27-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> There is no video. And even if there were, who here is qualified to
> assess anyone's swing, even their own, by looking at a video of the
> swing? There are very good reasons that many teaching pros consider
> video analysis silly and even counter-productive.
There are very good reasons that many teaching pros consider video analysis
important and productive.
> Hale Irwin comes to mind.
I didn't know Hale was a teaching pro. (I did know that he doesn't want his
swing analyzed. He likes it the way it is - but wouldn't you like to have his
swing?).
> The Head Pro at my club, a nationally recognized teacher,
> distains video analysis and will not allow it at our club.
So he has his pros avoid looking at their students' swings? They just look at
where the ball goes? No, they do their video analyses using their eyes - but
they do do it.
The main advantage of a camera is to be able to do a self analysis when the pro
isn't there. A camera doesn't charge as much. Granted, my untrained eye
won't give me as much as a good pro will, but it's better than nothing.
> The ball
> flight tells you all you need to know. Read Manuel De La Torre's
> book: "Understanding the Golf Swing." It includes a chart that gives
> the swing fault that causes each ball flight pattern.
Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to track my flight pattern enough to see
how it is different from a similar pattern caused by very different swing
faults.
> The "bottom line" is what happens to the ball. If it goes good and
> that can be repeated, it doesn't matter what one looks like while
> propelling it. Furyk, Daly, Trevino, etc. etc. etc.
True enough. That's why the best test would be to play with the people who ask
to see your swing. I understand not being able to afford to attend an RSG
outing - that's where I am. So cheaper alternatives such as video clips are
what are available to demonstrate (to a lesser extent) competency.
Scott Newell
> I didn't buy the clubs, I only got the computer analysis, which costs
$50.00.
Oh, I guess we were confused by the part of your previous statement that
said...
> > They were fitting me for new Callaway clubs
How ignorant of us to assume you would actually open your checkbook to buy
clubs that they were fitting you for.
--
Scott D. Newell (new...@wsu.edu)
Washington State University
"That shot is impossible!...Jack Nicholson
himself couldn't make it!"-- Homer Simpson
Fred Berni
Don't know yourself very well then, do you? Oh, but then maybe you're
not a professional. Or do you have a split personality and neither
personalaity knows what the other does?
Yeah, that must be it.
--
DynamicFred
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared
to what lies within us.
-- Brownie Wise
Howard Brazee
On 27-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> Buffoons! You guys deserve each other-- and should not wonder why I
> and other polite and sincere people would never show up at an RSG
> event. Life is too short to rub elbows with low lives. What do you
> talk about, the best technique for dumping garbage cans and your
> ambition to someday become the driver? I have never known a
> professional who would gratuitously insult someone.
But life's plenty long enough for you to rub virtual elbows with us. Why do
you insult even those of us who have defended you?
larry
wrote:
It is not a matter of inability to afford travel, Howard. It is a
learned aversion to some who frequent this forum. Based only on their
posts, I conclude they are impolite and ill-mannered. When someone
posts a gratuitous insult in reply to my sincere opinion, I get a
mental picture of Billy Carter in overalls, pissing on the sidewalk.
Golf is supposed to be a genteel sport. It will be when I play (and
not at any RSG event).
Larry
larry
wrote:
>"larry" <la...@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>news:mgsu309it4bi9819m...@4ax.com...
>> I didn't buy the clubs, I only got the computer analysis, which costs
>$50.00.
>
>Oh, I guess we were confused by the part of your previous statement that
>said...
>
>> > They were fitting me for new Callaway clubs
>
>How ignorant of us to assume you would actually open your checkbook to buy
>clubs that they were fitting you for.
The manufacturers don't sell clubs. They suggest you buy the clubs
they recommend from an authorized distributor.
Larry
larry
wrote:
>
Sorry if you feel you are different, Howard. You may be. I will
watch names more carefully in order to discern among those who post in
the threads I follow. And, I should ignore any and all insults and
will endeavor to do that in future.
larry
Matt Aamold
> fitting me for new Callaway clubs
This is too easy Larry, lets play a different game
> I didn't buy the clubs, I only got the computer analysis, which costs
> $50.00.
Again, coming from the same guy who said that video analysis is bad and his
pro is the best and that he would not go to anyone else. So which was is,
you getting fitted for clubs, or getting your swing anylized ?
larry
Analyzed. I went to college.
Computer analysis of your golf swing is wildly different than video
comparison of your swing to a model. The computer is really only
concerned with the clubhead movement through impact. How you got it
there is not a factor. Obviously if the numbers your clubhead
generates, velocity, side velocity, angle of attack, etc. are right,
the ball flight will be right. If you can repeat whatever you did to
create that--you have a golf swing that would compete with anyone.
As an engineer I was interested in validation of my work to develop a
solid repeating golf swing. I felt that computer analysis is more
valid than comparison to a model. That said, I would also like to
"look pretty" while swinging. And according to my head pro this
morning during a playing lesson, my swing is 'there." I can even
chip pretty well. Now my next hurdle is to learn how to putt.....
Amazing, the more we practice, the luckier we get.
Larry
Colleyville Alan
>
> Buffoons! You guys deserve each other-- and should not wonder why I
> and other polite and sincere people would never show up at an RSG
> event.
I do not wonder. You'd get your butt kicked.
>Life is too short to rub elbows with low lives.
Yet here you are posting to the "low lives" about whom you heap contempt on
a regular basis.
> What do you talk about,
We talk about the transition and how you, Larry, denied that any pro player
even did one; then we discourse on the love affair you have with it now.
Your hypocrisy keeps us going for hours.
>the best technique for dumping garbage cans and your
> ambition to someday become the driver?
Only Larry has money, folks (apparently the fountainhead of his self-esteem
or, more appropriately, the entire source). The rest of RSGers are scum in
his humble opinion.
>I have never known a professional who would gratuitously insult someone.
I'll bet you've know a few "pros". Guys like you have trouble finding a
girlfriend.
Howard Brazee
If we're too rude to meet in person, what makes it acceptable to interact with
us virtually via this medium?
Do you find people less likeable after playing a round of golf with them than
when you have only read their words? I find just the opposite.
larry
wrote:
>
>On 27-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
>
>> It is not a matter of inability to afford travel, Howard. It is a
>> learned aversion to some who frequent this forum. Based only on their
>> posts, I conclude they are impolite and ill-mannered. When someone
>> posts a gratuitous insult in reply to my sincere opinion, I get a
>> mental picture of Billy Carter in overalls, pissing on the sidewalk.
>> Golf is supposed to be a genteel sport. It will be when I play (and
>> not at any RSG event).
>
>If we're too rude to meet in person, what makes it acceptable to interact with
>us virtually via this medium?
I have almost begged you regulars NOT to respond to my posts. Your
input so far in this thread has been mindless BS, the opposite of
intelligent and considered debate. You have posted no questions or
serious comments, just poisonous barbs and ad hominem attacks. I
don't want to communicate with such people--here or in person.
>
>Do you find people less likeable after playing a round of golf with them than
>when you have only read their words? I find just the opposite.
I don't think I have ever played a round of golf with someone and not
become fast friends during that 4 hours. There must be unpleasant
types there, but I haven't encountered them.
The only unpleasant golfers I have ever "met" are here in RSG.
Larry
Glfnaz
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:20:12 GMT, "Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >On 27-Feb-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It is not a matter of inability to afford travel, Howard. It is a
> >> learned aversion to some who frequent this forum. Based only on their
> >> posts, I conclude they are impolite and ill-mannered. When someone
> >> posts a gratuitous insult in reply to my sincere opinion, I get a
> >> mental picture of Billy Carter in overalls, pissing on the sidewalk.
> >> Golf is supposed to be a genteel sport. It will be when I play (and
> >> not at any RSG event).
> >
> >If we're too rude to meet in person, what makes it acceptable to interact
with
> >us virtually via this medium?
>
> I have almost begged you regulars NOT to respond to my posts. Your
> input so far in this thread has been mindless BS, the opposite of
> intelligent and considered debate. You have posted no questions or
> serious comments, just poisonous barbs and ad hominem attacks. I
> don't want to communicate with such people--here or in person.
Howard did nothing to deserve this response.
Who do you think you are that you post to a newsgroup, and then you decide
who can respond?
When folks respond with quality objections to your ideas, you avoid them and
don't answer. You call them names and then blame them for attacks.
You have any idea how silly and arrogant you seem?
Larry St. Regis
No, he doesn't ... and therein lies the problem.
I played a whole round yesterday using nothing but leverage. Shot 16 over
for 18 holes ... considering I haven't played in almost three months, I'm
very happy with that.
Larry S.
Matt Aamold
"larry" <la...@delmardata.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think I have ever played a round of golf with someone and not
> become fast friends during that 4 hours. There must be unpleasant
> types there, but I haven't encountered them.
During your next round, hint to them that they are 'not the country club
type'. Do that and see how fast you are able to make them not want to be
your friend.
Roald Oines
:>> It is not a matter of inability to afford travel, Howard. It is a
:>> learned aversion to some who frequent this forum. Based only on
:>> their posts, I conclude they are impolite and ill-mannered. When
:>> someone posts a gratuitous insult in reply to my sincere opinion, I
:>> get a mental picture of Billy Carter in overalls, pissing on the
:>> sidewalk. Golf is supposed to be a genteel sport. It will be when
:>> I play (and not at any RSG event).
To which "Howard Brazee" how...@brazee.net inquired:
:>If we're too rude to meet in person, what makes it acceptable to
:>interact with us virtually via this medium?
Which prompted this attack from "larry" larry@delmardata :
: I have almost begged you regulars NOT to respond to my posts. Your
: input so far in this thread has been mindless BS, the opposite of
: intelligent and considered debate. You have posted no questions or
: serious comments, just poisonous barbs and ad hominem attacks. I
: don't want to communicate with such people--here or in person.
and "Howard Brazee" how...@brazee.net then asked:
:>Do you find people less likeable after playing a round of golf with
:>them than when you have only read their words? I find just the
:>opposite.
:
: I don't think I have ever played a round of golf with someone and not
: become fast friends during that 4 hours. There must be unpleasant
: types there, but I haven't encountered them.
:
: The only unpleasant golfers I have ever "met" are here in RSG.
:
: Larry
Where are Howard's "poisonous barbs and ad hominem attacks" Larry? I can
see yours quite plainly.
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TravisW
wrote:
the silly thing about this " country club " golfer thing is that it is
a bunch of hooey.
I have belonged to three very nice, expensive country clubs in my
lifetime. I enjoyed each of them very much. I played with a bunch of
great guys, and some real assholes.
since i gave up golf in the mid 1990's, I quit the last two clubs I
belonged to. Since then, my golf, which, until this past november was
very very sporadic, maybe one or two times a year, has been all public
golf. Since i got serious about it again in november, I have played a
fair amount. I have had a great time with the "public course" players.
equally smart, equally nice, just maybe not as much money.
the most fun I have had was playing on a military course with three
old retired air force guys. what a great time. lots of good laughs,
some serious cussing, good memories.
Travis
Sparky
On 1-Mar-2004, larry <la...@delmardata.com> wrote:
> just poisonous barbs and ad hominem attacks
I prefer ad hominy attacks my self, as in " Larry you have all the mental
agility of a small bowl of cold grits".
me
-Mmmmm Grits.
Frostback
Mrs. Frostback brough peas and hominy to a Xmas pot luck once, and the
people there didn't get it. Yankees! Go figure!
Dave Clary
>the most fun I have had was playing on a military course with three
>old retired air force guys. what a great time. lots of good laughs,
>some serious cussing, good memories.
Fuckin, eh! I'll drink to that!
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx (USAF, Ret)
Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary
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TravisW
wrote:
We did, Dave. Trust me, we did.
Travis