Feel somewhat sorry for Ganguly
Madhusudan Singh
deserved to be dropped on basis of his performances in this Test. Gambhir
did deserve to be dropped, and Ganguly could have been promoted up the
order to make place for Yuvraj.
I think what sealed Ganguly's fate was that Jaffer offers great promise as
an opener and Ganguly's experience in that role in Tests is limited.
All in all, I think that Ganguly has been hard done by if the performance in
this Test was the governing consideration. He batted quite decently, even
if he got only 70 odd in the Test. He provided some stability in both
innings when it was sorely needed.
diivolunt
Jaffer 's heroics in duleep were not as opener, he batted 2 drop. And
he did average 60 in tournament, a average he shared with 5 batsmen who
did play as openers in that tournament.
Another preformance was his stupendous 267 against Delhi against aging
Bhandari, rookie with 5 first class matches Kunal (having said that
Kunal will go places atleast for Delhi),
and dried up lobbers like sarandeep and sanghvi. (and if any of you
!@#$ers abuse these guys, meet me outside, delhiwallah hoon, bhayion ko
gaali de sakta hoon)
At same time, another opener a guy Jaffer replaced Martin also scored
251.
I have always been in favor of Jaffer, he did score a 86 & 53 in single
test in Windies and if we look at the openers available for us around
the nation:
Punjab's Rickey, exU-19, has been regular preformer of late, this where
Jaffer pipped him, Jaffer has been a regular preformer in ranji
throughout his vanvaas. (Imagine, Even saurav will not feel bad, He was
replaced by guy who came back after almost 4 years a la Ganguly 1996).
Others include:
Delhi's Akash chopra who has had horrible run since replaced in
national colors by Gambhir who btw before this series averaged 45 with
2 90s and 2 international tons in last 12 months so has not all of
sudden become a liability.
Delhi's Shikhar Dhawan who is new and yet to prove himself completely.
Railways 's Pagnis who was Jaffer's partner in crime when Jaffer did a
13 after 300. Pagnis has been solid and efficient preformer for a Ranji
side. A stats was cited that Jaffer has been responsible for 2 ranji
triumphs for Mumbai well Certain Pagnis has taken his side to 4 ranji
finals in same time while winning two of them too!
Railways 's Bangar who methinks did not fail also before being cast
adrift by selectors.No major preformance of late.
Orissa 's SS Dass has not bee spectacular, actually he is not even the
best opener in his state side anymore. Martin has been among runs as
has been Connor Williams. but again decent not spectacular. Kotak
probably has fallen away and JAK of the older time have shifted to
places like Tripura et all. Ramesh, the last of the older lot has
shifted to kerela and does not open anymore. So basically, most of the
crockery in the opening cupboard is no longer fit to present to the
best of the guests.
New purchases this holiday season include current India -U-19s: Pujara
of Guajarat, Dhiman of Karnataka and Asnodkar of Goa. (He is NCA , not
U-19 opener technically). Waiting in wings may be Uday kaul, Punjab
striker of the ball and keeper and maybe Sohal but too young to make a
decision. Pujara splashed with a double ton against england in a test
and recently younger srikkant played U-19.
So if we are looking to take three specialist openers to pakistan,
Jaffer in a way just overrules Pagnis and say Rickey and the relatively
green crockery which has not felt the knives and forks of the pakistan
level because we have not had some major A level action for some time
now.
regards
Pranshu B Saxena
p.s. Dhoni is the third opener IMHO
Tweedle Dee
It was a choice between Ganguly and Yuvraj, and Yuvraj won. He rode his
luck and got to thrash the bowling when it flagged on the fourth day.
I feel for Ganguly as well, but I don't think that this is the end of
the road for him. Yuvi will have to do better than he did at the Kotla
if he wants to cement his place in the side.
--TD
"Well, you ask me if I'll miss Ganguly,
I don't know, I can't say,
I don't like it but I guess things happen that way ."
(with apologies to Johnny Cash)
joshilay
Maharashtra's Dheeraj Jadhav had a gr8 last season, was included for
the Mumbai test Vs Aus, was on Zim tour too. has been out of form off
late, but couple of real high scores n he'll surely be in the test
Sqaud thanks to Sharad Pawar.
J
shariq...@yahoo.com
I think Ganguly will be back for Pakistan tour - this is one in the
line of experimentations by Chappell to build bench strength
Shariq
Spaceman Spiff
[snip]
>
> I have always been in favor of Jaffer, he did score a 86 & 53 in
> single test in Windies and if we look at the openers available for us
> around the nation:
>
he scored 51 & 86 in consecutive innings, but not in the same test.
--
stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff
get your own damn grateful dead lyrics.
http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/
nins
included in the Test team on his on merit. I hope with new selection
committee, the regional bias will stop and Mumbai player's will not
require to play for 'other' teams to 'improve' their chances of
inclusion in the team.
Abhijit
shariq...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I think Ganguly will be back for Pakistan tour - this is one in the
> line of experimentations by Chappell to build bench strength
>
> Shariq
What bench strength does India have in quick bowling area? Why not
experiment there as well? What exceptional has Agarkar done to be
retained? Do we feel confident about taking this attack to Pak?
Narayanan
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Cricketwallah
diivolunt wrote:
> Jaffer 's inclusion has been cited for his heroics in Duleep.
> Jaffer 's heroics in duleep were not as opener, he batted 2 drop. And
Actually he batted at #3 (once at #4 because a night-watchman came in
late in the day). Basically the WZ selectors decided WZ had 3 openers
who deserved to be picked (total nonsense, but there is no Bombay
selector in the bunch, More is from Baroda and wanted to pick both
Martin and Satyajit Parab, this is why Indulkar couldnt play a game and
Muzumdar didnt make the squad at all despite being Top-5 rungetter
in the entire Ranjis last year). Thus, Bombay used 3 openers in the
top 3 spots, Jaffer one of those 3 guys. The others did awfully anyway
however - Parab was terrible, in single digits every game, and Jadhav
averaged 17. Lots of difficult pitches and low-scoring games played by
WZ (which won the tournament eventually).
> he did average 60 in tournament, a average he shared with 5 batsmen who
> did play as openers in that tournament.
>
Jaffer was the highest rungetter, with 309 runs - the second highest
was
230, and nobody else reached 200. Note, when you play only 2 games
(as some did), and one of them is against the might of Zimbabwe-A,
your average is likely to be pretty good :-) Jaffer was quite clearly
the
best batsman of the Duleeps, mostly because he played against "real"
teams (ie no Zimbabwe-A, who were in teh other group), and because
he played on mostly low-scoring wickets and still got runs. Note, West
was the best team in the tournament, won the title, and yet the second
highest WZ scorer averaged probably in the 30s IIRC (as opposed to
Jaffer's 61).
> Another preformance was his stupendous 267 against Delhi against aging
> Bhandari, rookie with 5 first class matches Kunal (having said that
> Kunal will go places atleast for Delhi),
> and dried up lobbers like sarandeep and sanghvi. (and if any of you
> !@#$ers abuse these guys, meet me outside, delhiwallah hoon, bhayion ko
> gaali de sakta hoon)
>
Again, BTW, Sanghvi didnt play against Bombay, Chetanya Nanda did -
and he has done pretty well since, hasnt he? Gotten 6-fers in both
games following the Jaffer mauling? I dont agree that the attack was
*that* poor - but the pitch was quite easy apart from the first morning
(Jaffer survived the first morning when Bombay slid to 20/2, and then
made hay - rungetting was much easier after the early moisture dried
out apparently).
> At same time, another opener a guy Jaffer replaced Martin also scored
> 251.
>
Martin is not an opener, he bats in the middle-order and has done so
all
his life. Williams is the opener for Baroda (along with Parab usually).
> I have always been in favor of Jaffer, he did score a 86 & 53 in single
> test in Windies and if we look at the openers available for us around
> the nation:
>
Not in the same test, consecutive tests. The 86 was an excellent
innings,
he batted in concert with Dravid for a 170-odd run partnership IIRC,
after
Das was dismissed early as usual.
> Punjab's Rickey, exU-19, has been regular preformer of late, this where
> Jaffer pipped him, Jaffer has been a regular preformer in ranji
> throughout his vanvaas. (Imagine, Even saurav will not feel bad, He was
Jaffer has hardly pipped Ricky only on the past - IMHO it hasnt been
that
close even in the near-term!
2002/03:
Jaffer 9 matches, 666 runs at 51.23
Ricky 6 matches, 311 runs at 34.55
Mane 9 matches, 503 runs at 35.92
2003/04:
Jaffer 9 matches, 600 runs at 64.00
Ricky 7 matches, 296 runs at 42.28
Mane 8 matches, 579 runs at 57.90
2004/05:
Jaffer 7 matches, 590 runs at 59.00
Ricky 6 matches, 401 runs at 44.55
Mane 6 matches, 325 runs at 46.42
As you can see, there is a substantial difference between Jaffer and
Ricky in every single year - and also overall. By very big margins,
in fact - differences in average of 16 runs, 22 runs and 15 runs
respectively. In fact, Mane is much closer to Ricky, but even he has
actually been better than Ricky every year (by much smaller amounts
of course- 1 run, 15 runs and 2 runs in all).
> replaced by guy who came back after almost 4 years a la Ganguly 1996).
>
> Others include:
> Delhi's Akash chopra who has had horrible run since replaced in
> national colors by Gambhir who btw before this series averaged 45 with
> 2 90s and 2 international tons in last 12 months so has not all of
> sudden become a liability.
>
> Delhi's Shikhar Dhawan who is new and yet to prove himself completely.
> Railways 's Pagnis who was Jaffer's partner in crime when Jaffer did a
> 13 after 300. Pagnis has been solid and efficient preformer for a Ranji
> side. A stats was cited that Jaffer has been responsible for 2 ranji
> triumphs for Mumbai well Certain Pagnis has taken his side to 4 ranji
> finals in same time while winning two of them too!
> Railways 's Bangar who methinks did not fail also before being cast
> adrift by selectors.No major preformance of late.
>
Pagnis has been a bit ill-treated too, yes - he has been among the best
domestic openers for the past 3/4 years (much better stats than Ricky
for instance, among the top 3/4 openers every year). Pagnis was good
in the Duleeps this year too actually - he was actually the 2nd highest
rungetter in the Duleeps after Jaffer. Pagnis has only gotten one
India-A shot in the past - he went to RSA with India-A along with
Gambhir 2/3 years ago.
> Orissa 's SS Dass has not bee spectacular, actually he is not even the
> best opener in his state side anymore. Martin has been among runs as
> has been Connor Williams. but again decent not spectacular. Kotak
Williams hasnt done that much, and Martin is not an opener. Parab has
done well on a few occasions, and has been pushed very hard by
More et al - he played for India-A a few times, lots of Challengers,
and
is a regular in the WZ side.
> probably has fallen away and JAK of the older time have shifted to
> places like Tripura et all. Ramesh, the last of the older lot has
> shifted to kerela and does not open anymore. So basically, most of the
> crockery in the opening cupboard is no longer fit to present to the
> best of the guests.
>
> New purchases this holiday season include current India -U-19s: Pujara
> of Guajarat, Dhiman of Karnataka and Asnodkar of Goa. (He is NCA , not
Pujara is from Saurashtra IIRC. And Dhiman is not an opener, more of
a lower-order guy who is an allrounder. Asnodkar just got a double ton
for Goa in Division Two last week IIRC, though against crap opposition
(Tripura IIRC).
> U-19 opener technically). Waiting in wings may be Uday kaul, Punjab
> striker of the ball and keeper and maybe Sohal but too young to make a
> decision. Pujara splashed with a double ton against england in a test
> and recently younger srikkant played U-19.
>
> So if we are looking to take three specialist openers to pakistan,
> Jaffer in a way just overrules Pagnis and say Rickey and the relatively
> green crockery which has not felt the knives and forks of the pakistan
> level because we have not had some major A level action for some time
> now.
>
Pagnis is another who has not had many opportunties - on domestic
performances he definitely deserves at least India-A games, BPXI games,
Irani Trophy games etc.
The other thing between Jaffer and Pagnis is, Jaffer has often really
stood
out at big games - Ranji finals etc. When Bombay won in 2003, Jaffer
was the best batsman in the match on either side - in a lowish-scoring
game, he got 90 and 98 IIRC, and was clearly the dominant bat. The
next year in 2004 Bombay won again, this time with Jaffer getting 133
in the finals (this was when Bombay replied to TN's 290 allout on first
innings with Jaffer and Mane putting on 240 for the opening stand,
both getting centuries). Pagnis hasnt had a Ranji final of similar note
in some ways (though he had a brilliant Duleep Trophy game against
South Zone last month, hitting Balaji among others all over as he got
140 or some such on the first day of the game)
Sadiq [ Railways could play 5 Bombayites against Bombay this week]
Yusuf
joshilay
as i said he was included for Zim tour but poor domestic form after
that didn't help him. but now that Gambhir has failed and Dheeraj has
scored a ton and 70 odd no against TN, he is very much a certainty for
the Pak tour.
J