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Chas

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Feb 16, 2002, 1:00:17 PM2/16/02
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What is it that a cue case is supposed to protect the cue from?
Backing a truck over it? Quick temperature changes? Humidity?
Abrasions?
I design cue cases, and I wonder what criteria the player brings to
his requirements in a case. I generally work in a waterproof laminate
faced with leather that doesn't transfer moisture or even temperature
changes particularly quickly. I generally depend that people won't
back trucks over their extremely expensive cues, although the basic 1
1/4" of exotic hardwood would take quite a beating in any event. I
protect the finish and from surface dings-
What other considerations might I be investigating?
--
Chas Clements
casemaker

jdub

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Feb 16, 2002, 1:18:46 PM2/16/02
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Weight. Easy of carry. Locakable. Distinctive enough that no one else
thinks it is theirs. A variety of customize-able interior configurations.
If a butterfly case, a piano type full length hinge.

--Jim

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> Chas Clements
> casemaker


Tony DeAngelo

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Feb 16, 2002, 4:34:52 PM2/16/02
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I concur with Jim about the weight. All things being equal, a lighter case is
better, especially if you are carrying more than a couple of cues.

Chas

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Feb 16, 2002, 5:23:36 PM2/16/02
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Tony DeAngelo wrote:
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> I concur with Jim about the weight. All things being equal, a lighter case is
> better, especially if you are carrying more than a couple of cues.

Yeah; I did a hardshell case in Elephant hide for a guy; sewn over a
plywood shell- I bet that sucker weighed 10 lbs. I tried lighter
weight board, but the elephant hide distorted it too badly. Sometimes
it's just a function of the material.
Most of mine are pretty light; especially considered as weight to
strength ratio- your point is well taken though.
--
Chas

Greg Matthews

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Feb 16, 2002, 7:21:46 PM2/16/02
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From a marketing standpoint...have you ever considered sponsoring a pro
player?

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Greg W. Matthews
The Cue Collector
www.CueCollector.com - Buying and Selling Custom Cues Since 1992


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Chas

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Feb 16, 2002, 10:16:51 PM2/16/02
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Greg Matthews wrote:
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> From a marketing standpoint...have you ever considered sponsoring a pro
> player?

Hell, I want a pro player to sponsor *me*.
Ten years from now, there will still be 250 pro pool players- and
there won't be anyone in the entire world who does what I do.
Hell, I'm about finished any way you look at it. My work is very
physical, and I'm getting to the place where I'm eating aspirin like
popcorn and whining like a bitch at the end of the day <g>
--
Chas Clements

Poolplayer

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Feb 17, 2002, 4:28:16 AM2/17/02
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Have the strap not bite into your shoulder when the case is on your
shoulder ie maybe have the shoulder strap a little wider. This gets
annoying when you're shouldering your cues and case for long periods of
time like traveling or just wandering around a convention center or show.

PP

Chas

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Feb 17, 2002, 1:51:33 PM2/17/02
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Poolplayer wrote:
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> Have the strap not bite into your shoulder when the case is on your
> shoulder ie maybe have the shoulder strap a little wider. This gets
> annoying when you're shouldering your cues and case for long periods of
> time like traveling or just wandering around a convention center or show.

That's a difficulty when you make a slipcase out of garment leather
and just sew more of it for a shoulder strap. Even a wider soft strap
tends to collapse in the center along the force line; a pad is as
inconvenient as the problem it solves.
I figure that the shoulder strap will be used as a handle. I put
rawhide under the turnbacks and distribute the weight with large tabs
for buckles, straps, dees and such. I switched to rawhide after
experience with using webbing reinforcement- just not comparable. My
stuff is constructed to the standards of 'safari/expeditionary' gear
of the 1930's or so- durability first- after that comes all the
ornamentation and such; that's just for amusement.
--
Chas

Jimbo Ct

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Feb 18, 2002, 2:59:57 AM2/18/02
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Hey Chas stop beating around the bush and just make me a free case (cheap is
also good) it will generate all the press you want, it will mean sales. It's
good for you, it's good for me, it'll make you happy, it'll make me happy, what
more could we ask for? E-mail me we can talk specs.

Jim <---Better then a pro, I won't sell it for $100 when I'm down $1200 to some
kid in Miami.

Chas

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Feb 18, 2002, 3:33:46 PM2/18/02
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Jimbo Ct wrote:
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> Hey Chas stop beating around the bush and just make me a free case (cheap is
> also good) it will generate all the press you want, it will mean sales. It's
> good for you, it's good for me, it'll make you happy, it'll make me happy, what
> more could we ask for? E-mail me we can talk specs.

I'm giving it serious thought.
really.

> Jim <---Better then a pro, I won't sell it for $100 when I'm down $1200 to some
> kid in Miami.

Happens more than one might think <g>
I've had three cases returned to have the initials/logo covered with
new tooling- they got the cues too ;-)
I do have to brag just a little though. About fifteen years ago, I did
a piece- it just sold for about eight times what I got for it. Of
course, the money didn't come to me, but I like the idea that my stuff
appreciates a bit.

--
Chas Clements
casemaker

Texas Willee

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Feb 18, 2002, 3:57:17 PM2/18/02
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Chas, you need to go over to ASP and check out the JP thread.
You might as well make the case to match the custom, one of a kind cue, he
is trying to get Jerry to make for him.
But .... he is willing to pay Jerry $300 for the cue.

Texas Willee


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Chas

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Feb 18, 2002, 4:55:39 PM2/18/02
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Texas Willee wrote:
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> Chas, you need to go over to ASP and check out the JP thread.

I have no idea what that means.

> You might as well make the case to match the custom, one of a kind cue, he
> is trying to get Jerry to make for him.

It could happen-

> But .... he is willing to pay Jerry $300 for the cue.

My simplest case is about a hundred dollars in material and eight days
of studio work; the fancier ones can take months to make. I don't know
what cuemakers get for that amount of time/work, but $300 couldn't
cover it for me either-
One of these days, I would like to do an exhibition piece with Ernie
G; something *really* extravagant, thematic- meant to be under a glass
bell with two armed guards <g>
I'm doing a very nice piece right now with a sort of 'Lord of the
Rings' motif; not pictures of dragons or anything, more like a case
that would be carried by one of the characters; very brusque,
celtic/norse type ornamentation, brooding colours- like a weapons case
of some sort. It's made for two *showboat* cues, so I know it's going
to a good home with a fenced yard.

--
Chas Clements
casemaker

Texas Willee

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Feb 18, 2002, 5:06:14 PM2/18/02
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Chas, ASP is another news group.
alt.sport.pool

It sounds like you are making the cases more for a love of creativity than
that of money.
I can understand that and tip my old ten gallon hat to you.
Please put up some links to some photos of your work.
I would very much like to see some of the cases you have made and I bet
there are others who would also.

Texas Willee


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Chas

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Feb 18, 2002, 5:18:59 PM2/18/02
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Texas Willee wrote:
> It sounds like you are making the cases more for a love of creativity than
> that of money.

No, no other choice; if I could have been a plastics exec for IBM, who
knows?
<g>

> Please put up some links to some photos of your work.
> I would very much like to see some of the cases you have made and I bet
> there are others who would also.

I wish I could. I had some up, but hackers came in and destroyed
everything. When I mounted some more, they did it again.
I'm also very involved with martial arts and some legal actions, so
getting thumped is no big surprise- I can send pictures by e-mail, and
have a pretty lively correspondence in that regard. I'm not much of a
computer guy; this is like a smart typewriter to me, so I use simple
means of employing it.
Thanks for your kind thoughts- it's the glory, not the money, hunh
buddy-
--
Chas

Texas Willee

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Feb 18, 2002, 5:28:33 PM2/18/02
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Chas, If you want .... send the photos to me and I will put them on my web
space and give you the link to refer to.

Texas Willee


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Jimbo Ct

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Feb 19, 2002, 2:29:37 AM2/19/02
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Chas saz: >I'm giving it serious thought.
>> really.

Let's talk Chas.


Jim <------E-mail me

William Cleary

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Feb 23, 2002, 11:26:05 PM2/23/02
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Chas:

Make one that will get by Airport 'security' as carry-on.

I'll buy one sight unseen!

Bill Cleary

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Mar 10, 2002, 6:43:25 PM3/10/02
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Would not presume to tell a case maker anything about cases but your
question about what you might protect them from brought an experiance to
mind. My 30 year old son was in a motorcycle accident where he slide for
two hundred yrds, flipped into on coming traffic and was run over by a
car and then a 4 wheel drive truck. after 28 days in shock trauma in
Balt. Md. He eventually recovered. The police brought his cue case that
he had slung over his back to me. The leather was in tatters but the hard
tubes inside left his "Lambros" in perfect condition. That cue was very
important to him and he probably would tell you that he wants a case that
a truck can run over.
Lucky

Chas

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Mar 11, 2002, 12:41:39 PM3/11/02
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s1t...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net wrote:
> .......The leather was in tatters but the hard

> tubes inside left his "Lambros" in perfect condition. That cue was very
> important to him and he probably would tell you that he wants a case that
> a truck can run over.

I'd like to see someone take three or four sticks of good wood, bundle
them together and run a truck over them- my bet is on the sticks.
A case, for anything, is primarily about keeping the parts together so
they don't get lost; then, you want it to protect the finish, the body
should be waterproof and a good cap to shed water. If you need a
hardshell case, just do a Halliburton- you can't beat them and they
make a wide range of specifications.
Mostly, I did 'war bags'; rigging and equipment bags/cases for rodeo,
circus and expeditionary use. Especially amongst performers, they like
decoration and ornamentation, so I got a name for that sort of work.
Putting 150 hrs. of work into a bag to hold ropes gives one a lot of
time to ruminate about 'cases' :-))
Just as an aside; my cases have a 'Zippo' guarantee; everything but
the finish. The guarantee is good for anybody who has one of my
pieces, no matter where they got it. It doesn't include negligent
exposure to things that eat leather, fires- that sort of thing, but
warrantees the workmanship and quality of materials indefinitely.
And, a free five-year tune-up; feed the leather, dye up anything
that's scuffed or stained, bone out the lining- that sort of thing.
Ever so often, I see things I made thirty-five years ago; still
strokin' and pokin' <g>

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Chas Clements
casemaker
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Mark0

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Mar 11, 2002, 5:35:05 PM3/11/02
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Charles, one day my ship will come in. I hope you're still at the pier when
it does...

Mark0

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