What are baseball bat donuts used for?
karl...@gmx.net
anywhere else, so thanks for your input.
sfb
<karl...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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powrwrap
karl...@gmx.net wrote:
> NB: I'm a newbie, obviously. Couldn't get this one answered
> anywhere else, so thanks for your input.
Pro Ballplayers Prefer Fresh Sleeve to Stale Donut
It used to be that baseball players would warm up on-deck with a donut
weight before taking their at bat, but lately they've been reaching
for the Pow'r Wrap bat sleeve instead. Like someone on a low carb
diet, professional ballplayers are shunning the donut for the meatier
Pow'r Wrap bat weight. For softball and youth league players the
donut is illegal, whereas the Pow'r Wrap is legal and approved in
ASA, USSSA, and NSA softball leagues and legal for most recreational
youth leagues. (see ASA rule 3 sec. 2(e); USSSA rule 2 sec 2(b))
The Pow'r Wrap is used by all the major league teams as well as their
minor league affiliates and most major collegiate baseball teams. The
pros use the Pow'r Wrap because it works the specific muscles used in
hitting immediately prior to their actual at bat. In a sport where bat
speed is king, using the Pow'r Wrap will increase a player's bat
speed, thus adding that extra bit of home run power.
Weekend athletes who want to warm up like the pros may do so with the
Pow'r Wrap for softball and Pow'r Wrap for Youth bat weights. In
fact, the Pow'r Wrap is the only bat weight that is league approved
and is legal for on-field use. Donuts are illegal-another indication
that this piece of sporting goods equipment is past its sell-by-date.
JaKe
Bucky
> Extra weight. Swinging a heavier bat makes the regular bat feel lighter.
I never understood taking practice swings on the on-deck circle with
the donut weights. I know it's because it will make the regular bat
*feel* lighter, so they *feel* they can swing it faster.
But if you think about it, it's not going to *actually* make the
regular bat lighter. You won't *actually* swing it any faster. If
anything, won't it just screw up your timing right before your at-bat?
I can understand using a heavier/weighted bat during practice to build
up strength and other exercises, but not right before your at-bat. That
just doesn't make any sense.
Realto Margarino
> sfb wrote:
sfb has been ostracized by the regulars of this ng because he
top-posts and cannot produce a reason why this is necessary. He is
killfiled by most of us and if you continue to respond to him,
you'll probably end up being killfiled by the regulars as well.
cordially, as always,
rm
sfb
what the guys before did regardless of whether it makes sense or not to the
rest of us.
"Bucky" <uw_ba...@email.com> wrote in message
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Ryan Robbins
>> Extra weight. Swinging a heavier bat makes the regular bat feel lighter.
>
> I never understood taking practice swings on the on-deck circle with
> the donut weights. I know it's because it will make the regular bat
> *feel* lighter, so they *feel* they can swing it faster.
>
> But if you think about it, it's not going to *actually* make the
> regular bat lighter. You won't *actually* swing it any faster.
Yes, you will swing it faster, because you have trained your muscles to
swing a heavier bat.
Bucky
> Yes, you will swing it faster, because you have trained your muscles to
> swing a heavier bat.
I could argue hypothetically that it trains your muscles to swing
slower. Has anyone done experiments on whether a batter will actually
swing their normal bat faster after using the extra weights? I know it
definitely feels faster psychologically, but does it in reality?
If that was the case, why don't all sports that require brief power add
weights right before their attempt? Golfers, shot put, discus, javelin,
sprints, long jump. Certainly they do train with extra weights, but not
right before the attempt.
powrwrap
> Bucky wrote:
The concept is stretching the muscles that are going to be used in the
athletic endeavor. Almost all athletes do this, just not necessarily
with weights. Stretching exercising are used by runners and other
athletes. (Golfers aren't athletes and golf isn't a sport. Don't get me
started!)
For batters, it is easiest to use a weighted down bat to get the
desired stretching of the specific muscles. Most batter will use the
Pow'r Wrap to start with and then knock it off the bat and then
vigorously swing their bat to loosen their muscles.
Bucky
> The concept is stretching the muscles that are going to be used in the
> athletic endeavor.
Ah, this makes much more sense.
Tim M
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You're not perchance pushing a product here, rather than just answering
the question of what a donut is used for?
powrwrap
A little bit of both. Notice I didn't give a website address, store
availability or mention pricing. BTW, thanks for the plug...
mark....@gmail.com
I have a "golf donut" in ym golf bag that I use to loosen up the
shoulders...
Maybe it's just pycholgical, but I swing a thinner, heavier bat in the
cages, and when I go back to a normal bat it seems much easier to
control.
JaKe
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"Tim M" <tma...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Give Alan a break, he's a regular, he answered the question - sorta - and
didn't even link his site.
Sure there was some marketing behind the message. So what? It's his
business. In my experience, people's business and interests are aligned
with one another, not just in a financial sense.
I know we're all marketing-averse with teh onslaught of spam but I think it
can be taken too far...
brink
brink
> anywhere else, so thanks for your input.
Apparently, Prince Fielder uses em for eatin':
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52274
Like father, like son. ;-)
brink
Bob Roman
> (Golfers aren't athletes and golf isn't a sport. Don't get me
> started!)
Hale Irwin was an all-conference defensive back for the University of
Colorado. He was later selected to the Colorado football All-Century team.
Jack Nicklaus in high school was a was a switch-hitting catcher, a football
quarterback, and an honorable-mention all-state basketball player who once
made 23 free throws in a row. Nicklaus came to Ohio State on a golf
scholarship, but tried out for the football team as a walk on. Woody Hayes
said Nicklaus was good enough to make the team, but refused to risk the
boy's golf career with a football injury.
--
Bob Roman
karl...@gmx.net
> Lemmings take a second seat to baseball players who are going to keep doing
> what the guys before did regardless of whether it makes sense or not to the
> rest of us.
That's quite insightful, even poetic!
karl...@gmx.net
powrwrap
> Bob Roman wrote:
> > "powrwrap" wrote...
<Sigh> I asked you not to get me started. Sure you can find examples of
golfers that were once athletes or even golfers today that have
athletic builds, but it really doesn't take much athletic training to
walk 18 holes and swing a golf club multiple times a day. Just look at
John Daly or Tim Herron.
powrwrap
> karl...@gmx.net wrote:
> Thanks to everybody for putting me in the know.
You're welcome. The real reason for my post about stale donuts was to
point out that not too many players use them if they have a Pow'r Wrap
available. Check out the on-deck circle and see for yourself.
BTW, does everybody know that former Yankee great Elston Howard
invented the donut back in 1966?
Bob Roman
> <Sigh> I asked you not to get me started. Sure you can find examples of
> golfers that were once athletes or even golfers today that have
> athletic builds, but it really doesn't take much athletic training to
> walk 18 holes and swing a golf club multiple times a day. Just look at
> John Daly or Tim Herron.
Your response, which, to be blunt, strikes me as fed by ignorance, does not
convince. You could point to Babe Ruth, Cecil Fielder, and John Kruk to
make similar cases against baseball. But you'd be wrong there as well.
--
Bob Roman
powrwrap
> Bob Roman wrote:
> "powrwrap" <powr...@aol.com> wrote...
> > <Sigh> I asked you not to get me started. Sure you can find examples of
> > golfers that were once athletes or even golfers today that have
> > athletic builds, but it really doesn't take much athletic training to
> > walk 18 holes and swing a golf club multiple times a day. Just look at
> > John Daly or Tim Herron.
> Your response, which, to be blunt, strikes me as fed by ignorance,
Yeah, ditto to you too. Tell me, when does a golfer have to run? To
dive and catch a ball? To throw a ball accurately? To slide into a
base? To possibly collide with another person at running speed?
Roger Moore
><Sigh> I asked you not to get me started. Sure you can find examples of
>golfers that were once athletes or even golfers today that have
>athletic builds, but it really doesn't take much athletic training to
>walk 18 holes and swing a golf club multiple times a day. Just look at
>John Daly or Tim Herron.
It depends on how expansive your definition of athleticism is. If you
focus exclusively on the classic "Citius, Altius, Fortius" concept of
athletics then golf doesn't qualify. Of course neither do several
other sports that are currently in the Olympics, like archery and
skeet shooting. If you use a more expansive concept that includes
things like hand-eye coordination and fine motor control, then Golf
does qualify.
--
Roger Moore | Master of Meaningless Trivia | (r...@alumni.caltech.edu)
There's no point in questioning authority if you don't listen to the answers.
powrwrap
> Roger Moore wrote:
> If you use a more expansive concept that includes
> things like hand-eye coordination and fine motor control, then Golf
> does qualify.
Your definition would make athletes out of video gamers,
shuffleboarders and bowlers.
Seapig
Bob Roman wrote:
> "powrwrap" <powr...@aol.com> wrote...
> > (Golfers aren't athletes and golf isn't a sport. Don't get me
> > started!)
>
> Hale Irwin was an all-conference defensive back for the University of
> Colorado. He was later selected to the Colorado football All-Century team.
Have you seen Colorado football lately? I think Michelle Wie could
start for them.
Bob Roman
> Yeah, ditto to you too. Tell me, when does a golfer have to run? To
> dive and catch a ball? To throw a ball accurately? To slide into a
> base? To possibly collide with another person at running speed?
I think you should sticking to whoring your bat-weight product SPAM, because
your strawman arguments here are unworthy of response.
--
Bob Roman
Roger Moore
>BTW, does everybody know that former Yankee great Elston Howard
>invented the donut back in 1966?
Yup. And before that, batters would swing two or three bats held
together instead of just one. Ty Cobb is usually credited with
inventing that practice. Also note that not all batters swing a
regular bat with a bat weight attached. IIRC, Barry Bonds swings
something that looks a bit like a sledge hammer.
powrwrap
Unworthy or unable to respond? Face it, a golfer's toughest athletic
challenge is walking the 18 holes on the course.
sfb
"Roger Moore" <r...@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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Bob Roman
> Unworthy or unable to respond? Face it, a golfer's toughest athletic
> challenge is walking the 18 holes on the course.
I'm sure you'll change your mind when you find a product to advertise to
them.
--
Bob Roman
Roger Moore
>> Roger Moore wrote:
>> If you use a more expansive concept that includes
>> things like hand-eye coordination and fine motor control, then Golf
>> does qualify.
>Your definition would make athletes out of video gamers,
>shuffleboarders and bowlers.
Who's to say that they aren't? That's the problem with definitional
arguments. If you and I disagree about what features make something a
sport then we'll also disagree on our lists of sports.
powrwrap
Bob Roman
>> Bob Roman wrote:
>> I'm sure you'll change your mind when you find a product to advertise to
>> them.
>
> You would be wrong. Again.
I may be right and I may be wrong, but at least I'm not a loathsome Spammer.
--
Bob Roman
powrwrap
> Bob Roman wrote:
> >"powrwrap" wrote...
> >> Bob Roman wrote:
> >> I'm sure you'll change your mind when you find a product to advertise to
> >> them.
> > You would be wrong. Again.
> I may be right and I may be wrong, but at least I'm not a loathsome Spammer.
No, you are wrong. My company has been selling a product to the golf
market since 1996. I don't dare say anything about it because of your
hypersensitivity to brand names in newsgroups. Wouldn't want to get
your undies in a bunch over it.
Furthermore, I don't think my response to the original question was
spam. I didn't provide a link. I didn't give pricing or information on
where to purchase.
It's a fact that ballplayers use the <brand name redacted for Bob
Roman's sake> the white weighted sleeve more often than the donut ring
weight.
Milt Epstein
>> Bob Roman wrote:
>
>> >"powrwrap" wrote...
>
>> >> Bob Roman wrote:
>> >> I'm sure you'll change your mind when you find a product to
>> >> advertise to them.
>
>> > You would be wrong. Again.
>
>> I may be right and I may be wrong, but at least I'm not a loathsome
>> Spammer.
>
>No, you are wrong. My company has been selling a product to the golf
>market since 1996. I don't dare say anything about it because of your
>hypersensitivity to brand names in newsgroups. Wouldn't want to get
>your undies in a bunch over it.
>
>Furthermore, I don't think my response to the original question was
>spam. I didn't provide a link. I didn't give pricing or information
>on where to purchase.
Regardless, your post was much closer to spam that it was a legitimate
response to the original question. The first half of the first
sentence touched upon their question, but it didn't really answer it,
and the rest of the three paragraphs reads like a advertisement/press
release for your product.
>It's a fact that ballplayers use the <brand name redacted for Bob
>Roman's sake> the white weighted sleeve more often than the donut
>ring weight.
And what does that have to do with "What are baseball bat donuts used
for?"?
--
Milt Epstein
meps...@uiuc.edu
powrwrap
> Milt Epstein wrote:
> >It's a fact that ballplayers use the <brand name redacted for Bob
> >Roman's sake> the white weighted sleeve more often than the donut
> >ring weight.
> And what does that have to do with "What are baseball bat donuts used
> for?"?
Wow, tough crowd. The point is that baseball bat donuts aren't being
used for much anymore.
Bob Roman
> Regardless, your post was much closer to spam that it was a legitimate
> response to the original question. The first half of the first
> sentence touched upon their question, but it didn't really answer it,
> and the rest of the three paragraphs reads like a advertisement/press
> release for your product.
C'mon, Milt. Do you really think the original post was a legitimate
question, and not a set-up for Mr. Wrap's ad?
--
Bob Roman
Dale Hicks
robert...@hotmail.com says...
Furthermore, what makes the porwrap any different than a donut, just
flattened out a bit? Why make a distinction? Just call it a donut and
be done with it.
--
Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net
powrwrap
> Bob Roman wrote:
Use what's left of your brain and think--If someone were to spam for
baseball equipment, would mid-September be a good time to do it? And
this group, yeah, that's my target market. A bunch of middle aged
spreadsheet wizards debating esoteric baseball stat formulas. Get a
clue.
Realto Margarino
> > > Regardless, your post was much closer to spam that it was a
> > > legitimate response to the original question. The first half
> > > of the first sentence touched upon their question, but it
> > > didn't really answer it, and the rest of the three paragraphs
> > > reads like a advertisement/press release for your product.
> >
> > C'mon, Milt. Do you really think the original post was a
> > legitimate question, and not a set-up for Mr. Wrap's ad?
> Furthermore, what makes the porwrap any different than a donut,
> just flattened out a bit? Why make a distinction? Just call it a
> donut and be done with it.
The powrwrap gut is an obvious spammer. But most of the clowns in
this ng couldn't swing a bat by itself without pulling some kind of
muscle. The notion that there will be any powerwrap sales coming
out of spamming this group is hilarious.
cordially, as always,
rm
powrwrap
> Realto Margarino wrote:
> most of the clowns in
> this ng couldn't swing a bat by itself without pulling some kind of
> muscle. The notion that there will be any powerwrap sales coming
> out of spamming this group is hilarious.
Oh my. I agree with you. Will wonders never cease?
David M. Nieporent
He's been posting here for years, and other than his email address, he
doesn't even mention the product, let alone advertise for it. You think
suddenly at the end of the baseball season, when nobody is likely to be
buying the product anyway, he suddenly decided to post a "setup" question?
Why?
Bob Roman
> . You think
> suddenly at the end of the baseball season, when nobody is likely to be
> buying the product anyway, he suddenly decided to post a "setup" question?
> Why?
Free advertising does not require cost-benefit analysis. But more to the
pont, the guy is clearly not a mastermind. "Don't get me started!"
--
Bob Roman
Dan Szymborski
@host170.octanews.net>, niep...@alumni.princeton.edu says...
Plus, considering that there have been probably tens of
thousands of usenet posts that weren't on this subject, it seems
kinda cruel to not let Alan advertise his product when the
subject actually comes up.
--
Dan Szymborski
d...@baseballprimerREMOVE.com
"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is not
a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
-Robert Schumann
Dan Szymborski
@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, powr...@aol.com says...
Golf with you must be boring. I assure you, all my rounds of
golf involve most of these actions. And alcohol.
powrwrap
> Dan Szymborski wrote:
> > powrwrap:
> > Yeah, ditto to you too. Tell me, when does a golfer have to run? To
> > dive and catch a ball? To throw a ball accurately? To slide into a
> > base? To possibly collide with another person at running speed?
> Golf with you must be boring. I assure you, all my rounds of
> golf involve most of these actions. And alcohol.
I'm guessing the missing action would be sliding into the base?
:-D
jwra...@aol.com
powrwrap wrote:
> > karl...@gmx.net wrote:
>
> > Thanks to everybody for putting me in the know.
>
> You're welcome. The real reason for my post about stale donuts was to
> point out that not too many players use them if they have a Pow'r Wrap
> available. Check out the on-deck circle and see for yourself.
>
> BTW, does everybody know that former Yankee great Elston Howard
> invented the donut back in 1966?
Yeah. I remember when he started using those when I watched him as a
kid. He was a really good player. Pretty cool idea.
powrwrap
> "Bob Roman" <robertjro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "powrwrap" <powrw...@aol.com> wrote...
> > (Golfers aren't athletes andgolfisn't asport. Don't get me
> > started!)
> Hale Irwin was an all-conference defensive back for the University of
> Colorado. He was later selected to the Colorado football All-Century team.
>
> Jack Nicklaus in high school was a was a switch-hitting catcher, a football
> quarterback, and an honorable-mention all-state basketball player who once
> made 23 free throws in a row. Nicklaus came to Ohio State on agolf
> scholarship, but tried out for the football team as a walk on. Woody Hayes
> said Nicklaus was good enough to make the team, but refused to risk the
> boy'sgolfcareer with a football injury.
Found this:
Athlete golfer John Daly at the Masters
Bob Roman
> Found this:
Has this topic been gnawing at you for two months?
--
Bob Roman
powrwrap
> "Bob Roman" <robertjro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Has this topic been gnawing at you for two months?
No. I was doing a Google Image search and I came across that pic. I
immediately thought of this thread so decided to post it.