Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
vangellis
I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these.
Watson Miller SW Antenna
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/catalog/miller-receiving-antenna-30mhz-passive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca
I was thinking of getting one.
thanks
vangellis
Ian Jackson
<vange...@yahoo.com> writes
it?). I suspect that this part of the description is very true -
"Totally passive, there is also no risk of receiver overload".
--
Ian
Telamon
"vangellis" <vange...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Tom
<ianREMOVETHISjack...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <zbaIj.6126$h65.3...@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, vangellis
> <vangell...@yahoo.com> writes>Hi
> >I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these.
> >Watson Miller SW Antenna
> >http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/catalog/miller-receiving-antenna-30mh
> >z-passive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca
>
> >I was thinking of getting one.
> >thanks
> >vangellis
>
> It looks sort-of like a VHF 'Slim Jim' / 'J-Pole' (but it can't be, can
> it?). I suspect that this part of the description is very true -
> "Totally passive, there is also no risk of receiver overload".
> --
> Ian
I used to switch between a G5RV (a horizontal dipole over 100' long)
and a J-pole for 2 meters (a vertical about 8' long). Under some
conditions the short vertical outperformed the long horizontal - could
be due to the elevation angle or maybe the azimuth of the desired
signal favouring its radiation pattern and vice versa. Also could be
due to one pattern discriminating better against unwanted signals and
noise. The small antenna's diminishing efficiency at lower frequencies
is an advantage as it helps to prevent receiver overload by strong
signals at these frequencies. Getting such an antenna up as high as
possible and as far away as possible from local interference sources
and connecting it to the radio via shielded cable can result in a
pretty decent SW antenna. If you still have a VHF-TV antenna on your
roof, you might be surprised at how well it may work as a SW antenna.
Or take your radio up on the roof and see how much better reception is
with its little telescoping antenna than on the ground floor.
Tom
vangellis
Telamon
"vangellis" <vange...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell where the coax
connects. My best guess remains a folded dipole.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
wrote:
> In article <XvzIj.30225$5i5.6...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
>
- - "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
- - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
- Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
- where the coax connects.
- My best guess remains a folded dipole.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
"Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
.
-ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
.
--pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
the Facts. - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
.
-obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-}
.
RHF
> On Apr 1, 5:47 pm, Telamon <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> wrote:> In article <XvzIj.30225$5i5.6...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
>
> - - "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
> - where the coax connects.
> - My best guess remains a folded dipole.
> -
> - --
> - Telamon
> - Ventura, California
- Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
-
- Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
- "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
-
- Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
- cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
- .
- -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
- the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
- .
- --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
- the Facts. - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
- .
- -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
- I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-}
- .
Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF
.
Telamon
<903b8a0f-22e3-4d9e...@b5g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 2:41 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 1, 5:47 pm, Telamon <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> > wrote:> In article <XvzIj.30225$5i5.6...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
> >
> > - - "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
> >
> > - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
> > - where the coax connects.
> > - My best guess remains a folded dipole.
> > -
> -
> - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
> -
> - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
> - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
> -
> - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
> - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
> - .
> - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
> - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
> - .
> - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
> - the Facts. - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
> - .
> - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
> - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-}
> - .
>
> Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF
> .
Is there something I wrote that is not clear? There is no coax connected
in the picture in the link. The brief specification does not say what
type of basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
<telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <903b8a0f-22e3-4d9e-a315-622d6022e...@b5g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 2, 2:41 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > On Apr 1, 5:47 pm, Telamon <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> > > wrote:> In article <XvzIj.30225$5i5.6...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
>
> > > - - "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
>
> > > - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
> > > - where the coax connects.
> > > - My best guess remains a folded dipole.
> > > -
- - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
- - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All
- - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! !
- - -
- - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . .
- - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF
- - - .
- - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
- - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File.
- - - .
- - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
- - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
- - - .
- - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
- - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply
first. ;-}
- - - .
- - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF
- - .
- Is there something I wrote that is not clear?
1st Reply :
"Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts.
2nd Reply :
"My best guess remains a folded dipole."
Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong.
- There is no coax connected in the picture in the link.
Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is
incorporated into a Waterproof Housing.
Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level"
Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen.
Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%.
Take it up to 400% and look again.
http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/catalog/miller-receiving-antenna-30mhz-passive-p-4085.html
The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function.
http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+'
Take it up to 400% and look again.
- The brief specification does not say what type of
- basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.
Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret;
with very little gussing required.
Telamon
<049e87e3-4d3d-4df3...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good
imagination.
> - The brief specification does not say what type of
> - basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.
>
> Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret;
> with very little gussing required.
OK retard I've had enough. So what is the basic antenna type for this
Miller antenna?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
wrote:
> In article
> <049e87e3-4d3d-4df3-8933-7bec2ec7f...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > ive-p-4085.html
>
> > The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function.
> >http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
> > Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+'
> > Take it up to 400% and look again.
>
> I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good
> imagination.
>
> > - The brief specification does not say what type of
> > - basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess.
>
- - with very little gussing required.
-
- OK retard I've had enough.
-
- So what is the basic antenna type
- for this Miller antenna?
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-
Telamon,
OK let's see if I have got this straight.
You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on
all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast
knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a
"Guess" based on the Pictures . . .
-or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time
and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess"
based on the Facts stated in/on them ?
-But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD !
doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF
.
vangellis
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:0772cf9f-de04-40e2...@k20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Telamon,
Gentlemen, Please!!!!!
Enough of this bickering.
With respect RHF, would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna and
using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire (I am limited for space)
regards
Vangellis
UK
RHF
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
* * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * *
- Gentlemen,
-
- Please!!!!!
- Enough of this bickering.
-
- With respect RHF,
- would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna
- and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire
- (I am limited for space)
-
- regards Vangellis
- UK
-
Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF
The - L - o - n - g - Answer is :
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ?
-versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SW) Receiving Antenna
(WMSWA) has a Listed Price of £ 69.95 GBP which is
~ $ 139.50 USD ~ EURO 88.70 EUR
You now state that you already have a : 30 Foot End-Fed
Long-Wire (30 Ft. EFLW) Antenna in use.
IMHO - That is a better beginning then to try and use a
smaller and shorter 6 Foot Long bent Antenna made-up
of 12 Foot of Metal.
Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has
a 5-to-1 Advantage in Size over the WMSW Antenna.
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.
Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a
2.5-to-1 Advantage in Length over the WMSW Antenna.
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.
The 'crude' calculation for Signal Capture Area
* 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna
30' x 12" x 1" = 360 Square Inches
* WMSW Antenna
2m x 39.37" x 3" = 236 Square Inches
Which is 1.5-to-1 Advantage in Signal Capture Area
Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.
KEEP - The 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna.
QUESTIONS :
Q # 1 - Vangellis are you using a good earthen 8-Foot
Copper Ground Rod with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna and for your Radios and Equipment in your Home ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna and Radio Shack with a Ground
for Less Noise and Better Safety.
Q # 2 - Vangellis are you using a Coax Cable feed-in-line
with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna with a Coax Cable feed-in-line
for Less Noise and a Better Signal.
Q # 3 - Vangellis are you using a Matching Transformer
(Balun) -aka- Magnetic Longwire Balun "MLB" with your
30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
* You Should Be.
+ Improve your Antenna with a Matching Transformer
for Less Noise and a Better Signal.
Q # 3 - Vangellis is your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna 'configured' in the Shape of an Inverted "L"
Antenna ?
* It Should Be.
+ Make Qs 1, 2 and 3 a lot easier To-Do and All Three
'together' work a lot better {Synergy} for Less Noise
and a Better Signal.
INVERTED "L" ANTENNA
Picture of an Inverted "L" Antenna Set-Up and Rigging
http://www.geocities.com/qrp_baluns/app-swlz.html
http://www.kc7nod.20m.com/improved_rw.htm
http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions/images/lantenna.gif
http://www.part15.us/encyclopedia/images/ant1.gif
http://www.bloomington.in.us/~wh2t/invertedl_files/L.jpg
Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95 GBP
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html
About the "Universal Magnetic Balun" (UMB)
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html
The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire Antenna.
http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html
Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by- Wellbrook.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/735cc467b35a70d5
READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna
-or- Inverted "L" Antenna ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/85364956151adbba
READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front'
= Better Performance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c14b09ea224f4434
READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL)
Antenna Reccomendations ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e37277e8657b87ae
vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
.
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas Group => http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
GoTo => http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
RHF's Standard "Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas Group"
Reference Message Signature-Line => http://tinyurl.com/25zbrg
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/411dac3b4a1798e0
.
-=25ZBRG=-
.
vangellis
QUESTIONS :
Thanks RHF
and the answer is yes to all your questions
regards
vangellis
.
Telamon
<0772cf9f-de04-40e2...@k20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Telamon,
>
> OK let's see if I have got this straight.
>
> You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on
> all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast
> knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a
> "Guess" based on the Pictures . . .
>
> -or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time
> and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess"
> based on the Facts stated in/on them ?
>
> -But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD !
>
> doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF
> .
That's what I thought retard. You don't have an answer.
What a complete jackass.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"vangellis" <vange...@yahoo.com> wrote:
RHF is a retard incapable of a cogent thought. All this jackass does is
trash any on topic threads.
Signal capture area is a large factor in receiving antenna design but
you have to consider the environment it is placed in. If the area has
local noise sources you very well could end up with better signal to
noise with the loop antenna. The 12 foot loop of the Miller antenna is a
bit on the small side but since it is smaller you have a better chance
of raising it above the local inductive fields of local noise sources.
It would take more space and towers to do the same with the long/random
wire.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
>
> Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95 GBPhttp://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html
> About the "Universal Magnetic Balun" (UMB)http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html
>
> The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire Antenna.http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html
> Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by- Wellbrook.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/735cc467b35a70d5
>
> READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna
>
> READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front'
>
> READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL)
>
> vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
> .
> Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas Group =>http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
> GoTo =>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
> .
> RHF's Standard "Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas Group"
> Reference Message Signature-Line =>http://tinyurl.com/25zbrghttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/411dac3b4a1798e0
> .
> -=25ZBRG=-
- Thanks RHF
- and the answer is yes to all your questions
- regards
- vangellis
-
- .
Vangellis,
So what you actually have is a 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
Antenna 'configured' as an Inverted "L" Antenna using a
Matching Transformer and Coax Cable feed-inline with
a Ground Rod.
IMHO - That is about as good as you can do in your
Available Space - Good For You ! :o) ~ RHF
One more Follow-Up Question :
What is the {Average} Height from the Ground to the
Horizontal part of your Antenna Element ?
Vertical Up-Leg Length _ _ Feet ?
Horizontal Out-Arm Length _ _ Feet ?
Total Length of the Wire Antrenna Element V+H = _ _ Feet.
i want to know ~ RHF
.
Telamon
<45b3dc18-300b-48aa...@k20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > m.com/improved_rw.htmhttp://www.radiohc.org/Distributions/images/lantenna.gi
> > fhttp://www.part15.us/encyclopedia/images/ant1.gifhttp://www.bloomington.in.
What are you going to do with that information retard? Why do you care?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
wrote:
> In article <PlTJj.43079$5i5.4...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
> "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >news:d5e23f91-7a47-442f...@v32g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> > * * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * *
>
> > - Gentlemen,
> > -
> > - Please!!!!!
> > - Enough of this bickering.
> > -
> > - With respect RHF,
> > - would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna
> > - and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire
> > - (I am limited for space)
> > -
> > - regards Vangellis
> > - UK
> > -
- - Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF
> > The - L - o - n - g - Answer is :
>
> > Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ?
> > -versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
>
> > Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SW) Receiving Antenna
> > (WMSWA) has a Listed Price of £ 69.95 GBP which is
> > ~ $ 139.50 USD ~ EURO 88.70 EUR
>
> > You now state that you already have a : 30 Foot End-Fed
> > Long-Wire (30 Ft. EFLW) Antenna in use.
>
> > IMHO - That is a better beginning then to try and use a
> > smaller and shorter 6 Foot Long bent Antenna made-up
> > of 12 Foot of Metal.
>
> > Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has
> > a 5-to-1 Advantage in Size over the WMSW Antenna.
> > Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.
>
> > Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a
> > 2.5-to-1 Advantage in Length over the WMSW Antenna.
> > Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.
>
> > The 'crude' calculation for Signal Capture Area
> > * 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna
> > 30' x 12" x 1" = 360 Square Inches
> > * WMSW Antenna
> > 2m x 39.37" x 3" = 236 Square Inches
> > Which is 1.5-to-1 Advantage in Signal Capture Area
> > Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better.
- - KEEP - The 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna.
- RHF is a retard incapable of a cogent thought.
- All this jackass does is trash any on topic threads.
PONG : Telamon Awards RHF the Grand Order of Retard
http://static.flickr.com/44/140853356_f0ff5eed80.jpg
with the Braying JackAss Sock Puppet Head
http://www.outabounds.com/images/HZDonkey_FULL.jpg
- Signal capture area is a large factor in receiving antenna
- design but you have to consider the environment it is placed in.
Telamon- OK I was comparing the two Antennas in the . . .
Empty Space of My Head -meaning- the Environment for both
Antennas was the same. DOH !
- If the area has local noise sources you very well could
- end up with better signal to noise with the loop antenna.
Teli - True.
- The 12 foot loop of the Miller antenna is a bit on the small side
- but since it is smaller you have a better chance of raising it
above
- the local inductive fields of local noise sources.
Teli - ASSUMES that the Miller Antenna is as Loop : IT AIN'T !
- It would take more space and towers to do the same with the
- long/random wire.
-But- He already has a 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna
'in-place' and 'in-use' : DONE IS DONE ! & Good-is-Good :o)
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-
Teli - That You Are ! :o) - pal ~ RHF
.
RHF
wrote:
> In article
> <45b3dc18-300b-48aa-a1b2-64c1551ea...@k20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > e/msg/411dac3b4a1798e0
> > > .
> > > -=25ZBRG=-
> > -
> > - Thanks RHF
> > - and the answer is yes to all your questions
> > - regards
> > - vangellis
> > -
> > - .
>
- -
- - So what you actually have is a 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire
- - Antenna 'configured' as an Inverted "L" Antenna using a
- - Matching Transformer and Coax Cable feed-inline with
- - a Ground Rod.
- -
- - IMHO - That is about as good as you can do in your
- - Available Space - Good For You ! :o) ~ RHF
- -
- - One more Follow-Up Question :
- - What is the {Average} Height from the Ground to the
- - Horizontal part of your Antenna Element ?
- - Vertical Up-Leg Length _ _ Feet ?
- - Horizontal Out-Arm Length _ _ Feet ?
- - Total Length of the Wire Antrenna Element V+H = _ _ Feet.
- -
- - i want to know ~ RHF
- - .
- What are you going to do with that information retard?
Telamon - Because 'i want to know' ~ RHF
There is 'something' in the "Knowing" and . . .
'i want to know' ~ RHF
-ps- A 'follow-up' Question Shows the Reader that : You Are
Interested In What They had-to-say & have-to-say : It's part
of Good Communications and Creates Understanding. ~ RHF
- Why do you care?
Teli - Because I 'care' about People and I am 'interested' in
People who have an Interest in Shortwave Radio Listening.
Teli - Your Interest for Posting here seams to be Braying-at-People :
Idiot + Retard + Moron + Jackass + Spammer . . .
-ps- Telamon - I Like Being Me :o) :
Much Better Then I Would Like Having To Be You :-{
vangellis
Vangellis,
Hi RHF
The actual longwire start is about 40 foot high, the centre of the V is
about 35 feet and the end of the V is about 40 foot ( all in all it is about
80 foot long overall) it is connected to a balun/transformer, then I have
coax cable conected to the balun with a very thick earthwire going from the
balun and receiver to ground (a 8 foot underground spike.
regards
vangellis
.
RHF
wrote:
> In article
> <0772cf9f-de04-40e2-a337-99d66fe33...@k20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
- - - - Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret;
- - - - with very little gussing required.
- - - OK retard I've had enough.
- - -
- - - So what is the basic antenna type
- - - for this Miller antenna?
- - -
- - Telamon,
- -
- - OK let's see if I have got this straight.
- -
- - You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on
- - all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast
- - knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a
- - "Guess" based on the Pictures . . .
- -
- - -or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time
- - and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess"
- - based on the Facts stated in/on them ?
- -
- - -But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD !
- -
- - doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF
- - .
-
- That's what I thought retard.
- You don't have an answer.
-
- What a complete jackass.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-
Telamon -wrote- "What a complete jackass."
Teli - Coming from You that is an Expert Opinion. ;-)
Telamon -wrote- "You don't have an answer."
Teli - Do You Know How-To Keep a Jackass Waiting . . .
Teli - I will Post My KISAP Answer Tomorrow. :o) ~ RHF
PONG : Telamon -proclaims- RHF You Are A Complete JackAss !
=PS= That Is His Expert Opinion ;-}
.
vangellis
>
> Hi RHF
> The actual longwire start is about 40 foot high, the centre of the V is
> about 35 feet and the end of the V is about 40 foot ( all in all it is
> about 80 foot long overall) it is connected to a balun/transformer, then I
> have coax cable conected to the balun with a very thick earthwire going
> from the balun and receiver to ground (a 8 foot underground spike.
> regards
> vangellis
>
the V at 45 degrees to each other.
vangellis
Telamon
<bf87c406-0042-443c...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Yeah, that's what I thought. No point to your posts just crap.
Freaking Bozo.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<71bf02f1-50d8-49a8...@m1g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 4:21 pm, Telamon <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> > In article <PlTJj.43079$5i5.4...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > >news:d5e23f91-7a47-442f...@v32g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >
> > > * * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * *
> >
> > > - Gentlemen,
> > > -
> > > - Please!!!!!
> > > - Enough of this bickering.
> > > -
> > > - With respect RHF,
> > > - would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna
> > > - and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire
> > > - (I am limited for space)
> > > -
> > > - regards Vangellis
> > > - UK
> > > -
>
> - - Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF
The question was "does RHF have a brain."
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<007de190-2d66-4542...@a5g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
See no answer. What a retard.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
"vangellis" <vange...@yahoo.com> wrote:
RHF is an idiot. It doesn't matter what you tell him.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<telamon_spamshield-2...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
The answer is NO.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<telamon_spamshield-0...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
< SNIP >
> >
> >
> > PONG : Telamon -proclaims- RHF You Are A Complete JackAss !
> > =PS= That Is His Expert Opinion ;-}
> > .
Hey look, the retard got something right.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
<telamon_spamshield-7...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
Telamon <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
And how is our news group retard doing today?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
bpnjensen
wrote:
> Signal capture area is a large factor in receiving antenna design but
> you have to consider the environment it is placed in. If the area has
> local noise sources you very well could end up with better signal to
> noise with the loop antenna. The 12 foot loop of the Miller antenna is a
> bit on the small side but since it is smaller you have a better chance
> of raising it above the local inductive fields of local noise sources.
> It would take more space and towers to do the same with the long/random
> wire.
>
> --
> Telamon
> Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
All of that other stuff aside - it does like a cross between a folded
dipole and a squashed loop. The black thingie, though - is that some
kind of matching device - a gamma or beta matcher? Or is it just an
insulated support for the ends?
Here is a quote:
"We have had many user reports back about the excellent results
achieved."
Yet, when one reads the Reviews section, it is blank. Thisd, and the
design of the thing, does not give me a lot of confidence, and there
are better things for me to gamble more than $100 on. I think I'll
pass.
Bruce Jensen
RHF
BpnJ - Ditto That !
-ps- Build your own and $ave. ~ RHF
.
Telamon
<3aaa0f0f-1eb3-4d2f...@d1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
< SNIP >
>
> BpnJ - Ditto That !
>
> -ps- Build your own and $ave. ~ RHF
> .
Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us the time reading your
worthless posts? That's a rhetorical question so don't answer it. I
don't need your approval and nether does Bruce. We have informed opinion
where you don't so nobody cares what you think. Go back to answering the
spam. You did a good job there.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
wrote:
> In article
> <3aaa0f0f-1eb3-4d2f-bc46-71b847473...@d1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>
> RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> < SNIP >
>
- - BpnJ - Ditto That !
- -
- - -ps- Build your own and $ave. ~ RHF
- - .
- Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us
- the time reading your worthless posts?
- That's a rhetorical question so don't answer it.
- I don't need your approval and nether does Bruce.
- We have informed opinion where you don't
- so nobody cares what you think.
- Go back to answering the spam.
- You did a good job there.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
Teli - You Make It All So too, Too. TOO ! Easy :o) ~ RHF
You Own Words Right Back At You : Simple and True !
PONG : Telamon - "Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us
the time reading your worthless posts?"
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Teli - Don't Forget : Do You Know How-To Keep a Jackass Waiting . . .
Telamon -wrote- "What a complete jackass."
Teli - Coming from You that is an Expert Opinion. ;-)
Telamon -wrote- "You don't have an answer."
Teli - Do You Know How-To Keep a Jackass Waiting . . .
Teli - I will Post My KISAP Answer Tomorrow. :o) ~ RHF
Today's The Day For The Answer Telamon . . .
Are You Ready To Bray At It ! ;-}
-ps- Teli you are really good at Braying the Words :
Retard, Idiot, Moron and Spammer . . .
.
Telamon
<85302ad9-1c10-44fa...@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
This is just another example of the crap you post here.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
wrote:
> In article
> <85302ad9-1c10-44fa-9f6b-ec4863204...@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 6, 5:39 pm, Telamon <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <3aaa0f0f-1eb3-4d2f-bc46-71b847473...@d1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > < SNIP >
>
> > - - BpnJ - Ditto That !
> > - -
> > - - -ps- Build your own and $ave. ~ RHF
> > - - .
- - - Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us
- - - the time reading your worthless posts?
- - - That's a rhetorical question so don't answer it.
- - - I don't need your approval and nether does Bruce.
- - - We have informed opinion where you don't
- - - so nobody cares what you think.
- - - Go back to answering the spam.
- - - You did a good job there.
- - -
- - - --
- - - Telamon
- - - Ventura, California
- - Teli - You Make It All So too, Too. TOO ! Easy :o) ~ RHF
- - You Own Words Right Back At You : Simple and True !
- -
- - PONG : Telamon - "Why don't you post your crap someplace
- - and save us the time reading your worthless posts?"
- - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2369f3506203ee41
- -
-
- This is just another example of the crap you post here.
-
- --
- Telamon * The Chief Resident in-charge-of Alt.Idiots *
- Ventura, California
-
Telamon -wrote-
"This is just another example of the crap you post here."
OK Telamon - Let Me Get This Correct : Quoting You
and Re-Posting Your Own Words Back At You is CRAP [.]
PONG : Telamon - "This is just another example of the crap you post
here."
Again Teli - You Make It All So : easy, Easy. EASY ! :o) ~ RHF
Once Again Your Own Words Right Back At You : Simple and True !
Telamon - You are real good at Braying the Words :
Retard, Idiot, Moron and Spammer . . .
Stick to these 'things' that You Know Oh So Well !
=PS= Teli - Setting the Follow-Up To "Alt.Idiots" once again
just proves you know your home address. ;-}
.
Telamon
<0257d595-110d-4a3b...@1g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
< SNIP >
And how is our news group retard doing tonight?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
<telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <0257d595-110d-4a3b-968f-07be447a2...@1g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
-
- < SNIP >
-
- And how is our news group retard doing tonight?
-
- --
- Telamon * The Chief Resident in-charge-of Alt.Stupid.Idiots *
- Ventura, California
PONG - Telamon - "And how is our news group retard doing tonight?"
Teli - Enjoying Myself Listening to the Shortwave Radio :
49 Metre Band @ 08:00~09:00 UTC
6145 kHz - NHK Radio Japan - Nihon
http://www.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/
http://www.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/radio/shortwave/index.html
6180 kHz - Rádio Nacional da Amazônia - Brazil
http://www.radiobras.gov.br/estatico/radio_nacional_amazonia.htm
6185 kHz - CVC La Voz - Chile
http://www.cvclavoz.cl/
http://www.christianvision.com/
teli - enjoy your radios ~ RHF
.
RHF
> On Apr 1, 5:47 pm, Telamon <telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid>
> wrote:> In article <XvzIj.30225$5i5.6...@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
>
> - - "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
>
> - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell
> - where the coax connects.
> - My best guess remains a folded dipole.
> - --
> - Telamon
>
> Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ?
>
>
> -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read
> --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on
> .
> -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but...
Vangellis,
Here is one old Answer that was posted by "Ross"
[ archer @ top now .com ] back in 13 OCR 2005
Miller - Compact {Passive} Shortwave Receiving Antenna
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6ed7f7eac5a84f0d
~ RHF
.
RHF
Here is the KISAP {Keep It Simple And Practical} Evaluation
of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving
{Only} Antenna
Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} Receiving {Only Antenna
1.8 - 30MHz (Small Vertical Passive SW Antenna)
WM SWL ANTENNA - http://tinyurl.com/2g2hqx
NOTE - Watson Miller makes several Antennas for Scanners
and VHF and UHF usage
http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson_VHF_UHF_Antennas.html
http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson_Mobile_Antennas.html
http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson_Handheld_Antennas.html
+ Plus Watson does make some HF Wire Antennas
http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/WATSON_HF_Wire_Antennas.html
Mostly for the Amateur Radio Bands -but-
SWL-DXDL Watson Long Wire + MLB Antenna Kit
SWL-DX1 Watson SWL Long Wire Antenna Kit
WA-103 Broadband T2FD Antenna 7-30 MHz
WDP-30 Watson 1~30 MHz Receiving Dipole including Coax Feeder
Watson-Miller SW Receiving Antenna 1.8 - 30MHz (Passive)
Evaluation of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving
{Only} Antenna : Visual Examination and Review
of the Written Description.
Start by taking a look at the Photos and Reading the Info
presented : Here is what I 'think' can be reasonably said
about the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL)
Receiving {Only} Antenna.
WM SWL ANT - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
1 - Designed to be Broad-Banded for the Shortwave Bands
Frequency Coverage 1.8 MHz to 30 MHz.
2 - Passive Antenna Element 'appears' to be Made of Bent
Aluminum Tubing. Estimate 3/8 Inch Diameter and
Approximately 12 Feet Long with 3 Inches of separation
between the parallel tubes.
NOTE - Bent to resemble an Off-Center Folded Dipole
{Skinny Loop "Balance"} Antenna -but- IT IS NOT.
-why- Claims to use "End Loading System"
http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
3 - I believe that the Black Tube part is simply a PVC Pipe
Stiffener to Secure and Hold the Two Ends in Place.
3 - Uses a Balun to 'match' the Bent Antenna Element to an
SO-239 Socket for connection to a 50 Ohm Coax Cable
feed-in-line.
NOTE - Most likely using the word "Balun" cause it sells
when what they have is a Matching Transformer (UnUn).
"with Built-in Magnetic Long Wire Balun"
"the very latest High Quality Magnetic Long Wire Balun"
http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
4 - Height = Two Metres (2m) ~ 6 Feet 6 3/4 Inches
[ ~ 78.74 Inches ]
DO-THE-MATH : Double the 78.74 Inches to 157.5 Inches
and Subtract 13.5 Inches = 144 Inches = 12 Feet of Aluminum
3/8 Inch Tubing.
5 - Length of the Antenna Element : 12 Feet
WHAT YOU "GET" PRACTICALLY SPEAKING :
[Shortwave Radio Bands 60m ~ 19m : 5 MHz ~ 15 MHz]
1 - Start with a normal size Whip Antenna found on most
'portable' AM/FM Shortwave Radios : The Whip Antenna
is about 36 Inches long {3 Feet} with a 1/4" Base Diameter
and an 1/8" End Diameter having an Average Diameter
of 3/16".
The Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving
{Only} Antenna [WM SWL Antenna] is 12 Feet with an
Average Diameter of 3/8"
Result : The Antenna Element is Four Times [12 to 3] as
Long and Twice the Diameter [ 3/8" to 3/16"] with an
RF Signal Area of 170" to 21" which is Eight Times
as large as the Whip Antenna.
Improvement Equals = 4X + 2X + 8X
2 - The Signal Capture Area of the Whip Antenna can
crudely be estimated at 36" x 1" for 36 Square Inches.
WM SWL Antenna's Signal Capture Area can be estimated
at 72" x 3" for 216 Square Inches.
Result : The Signal Capture Area improves by Six Times
[216 to 36].
Improvement Equals = 6X
3 - The Whip Antenna is located on the Radio and inside the House/
Building where the RF Signal is often much weaker
and the Man-Made Environment is saturated with the RFI
and EMF that is there.
WM SWL Antenna is located outside the House/Building
where the RF Signal is often much Stronger and away from
the Man-Made Environment inside the structure; so it is
not saturated with the RFI and EMF.
Result : The Antenna Element receives at lest Two Times
[2 to 1] the RF Signal and Half the RFI and EMF [1 to 2]
giving at least a 4 to 1 Improvement in the relative
Signal-to-Noise Ratio coming into the Radio.
Improvement Equals = 4X
4 - The Radio's Whip Antenna is an e-Probe type of Antenna
Electrically Short and smaller that a Tenth (1/10) of a
Wave-Length for the Shortwave Radio Bands.
* Most Radio's Whip Antennas are 'passive' but some are Active.
* Most Radio's Whip Antennas are 'un-tuned' but some are Tuned {Pre-
Selected}.
WM SWL Antenna is a Passive and Un-Tuned e-Probe also
-but- It is Matched to the Antenna Feed-in-Line with an UnUn
type of Matching Transformer; which also helps to de-couple
the Antenna Element from the Feed-in-Line and the Man-Made Noise from
within the Structure.
Result : The Improved Performance with the WM SWL Antenna.
Improvement Equals = 1X
SUMMARY : Adding Up the "X"s
4X + 2X + +8X 6X + 4X +1X = 25X
Then Divide-by-Ten for a 2.5 S-Unit Improvement in the
relative 'Merit' of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener}
(SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna over the normal Radio's
Whip Antenna.
COMPARISON TO AN INVERTED "L" ANTENNA :
The previously mentioned Radio's Whip Antenna to a Par
EF-SWL Antenna configured as an Inverted "L" Antenna
located outside with a 15 Foot Vertical-Up-Leg and a
30 Foot Horizontal-Out-Arm.
http://www.parelectronics.com/swl_end.htm
http://www.grove-ent.com/ANT8.html
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/2205.html
PAR EFL-SWL Antenna, and Inverted-L Antenna Questions
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4311c0ac4f084b87
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b02ff595de9fea91
1 - Wire Antenna Element is 45 Feet Long by 1/8" Diameter
with an RF Signal Area of 212" to 21" which is Ten Times
as large as the Whip Antenna.
Improvement Equals = 15X - 1.5X + 10X
2 - The Signal Capture Area of the Wire Antenna Element
can crudely be estimated at 540" x 1" for 540 Square Inches.
Improvement Equals = 15X
3 - Wire Antenna Element is Outside versus Inside
Improvement Equals = 4X
4 - Par EF-SWL Antenna is a Passive and Un-Tuned Random
Wire Antenna Element -but- It is Matched to the Antenna
Feed-in-Line with an UnUn type of Matching Transformer;
which also helps to de-couple the Antenna Element from
the Feed-in-Line and the Man-Made Noise from within
the Structure. Plus It is 'configured as an Inverted "L"
Antenna with a Ground Rod at the Base.
Improvement Equals = 2X
SUMMARY : Adding Up the "X"s
15X -1.5X + 10X +15X + 4X +2X = 44.5X
Then Divide-by-Ten for a 4.45 S-Unit Improvement in the
relative 'Merit' of the Par EF-SWL Antenna over the normal
Radio's Whip Antenna.
COMPARISON : Comparing the Par EF-SWL Antenna
to the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL)
Receiving {Only} Antenna would show on average of a
Two (2) S-Unit Improvement in the relative 'Merit'.
and that is the way i 'see' and 'read' it - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
.
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas Group => http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
GoTo => http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
RHF's Standard "Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas Group"
Reference Message Signature-Line => http://tinyurl.com/25zbrg
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/411dac3b4a1798e0
.
-=25ZBRG=-
.
On Mar 31, 11:37 am, "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
-
- Hi
- I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these.
- Watson Miller SW Antenna
- http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/catalog/miller-receiving-antenna-3...
-
- I was thinking of getting one.
- thanks
- vangellis
-
cuh...@webtv.net
stick a wire on one of my naked girlfriend's arses and pick up much
better than that.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
Newton County, Bass Fishing in Smith County and Bow Hunting in Hinds
County.Melvin Tingle is the host.
cuhulin
RHF
-
- Dahhhh,,,, Boolsheeit.
- Watson Miller doesn't sound like much to me.
- I can stick a wire on one of my naked girlfriend's
- arses and pick up much better than that.
- cuhulin
-
Cuhulin - She must have a Mighty Wide Ass ! :o) ~ RHF
-ps- Maybe you should try a Dyke-Pole Antenna ;-}
Do-It-Yourself -alternative-to-the- Watson-Miller Shortwave
{Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna
# 1 - Start with a 1/4 WL 10 Metre / CB 102" Whip Antenna
# 2 - Use a 9:1 Matching Transformer* {UnUn}
* Grounded directly to the Top-Rail near the top.
# 3 - Connected to a Coax Cable feed-in-line to the
Matching Transformer.
# 4 - Whip Antenna is mounted on a 21 Foot piece of Top-Rail*
* A Single free-standing piece of Metal Pipe with 2~3 Feet
in the ground** using a larger metal pipe sleave or Concrete
Post-Hole Anckor.
** Locate the Base of the Top-Rail at least 25 Feet away
from the House and other structures.
# 5 - Eight Foot (8-Ft.) Ground Rod at the base of the
Top-Rail with short heavy Ground Strap directly to the
Top-Rail. The whole piece of Top Rail is Grounded.
# 6 - Fifty to 100 Feet of Coax Cable feed-in-line connected
from the Matching Transformer to the Radio / Receiver.
about as simple and basic as it gets - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
RHF
Vangellis -wrote-
- Hi RHF
- The actual longwire start is about 40 foot high,
- the centre of the V is about 35 feet
- and the end of the V is about 40 foot
- ( all in all it is about 80 foot long overall)
Basically starts to sound like a Horizontal Wire Antenna
with a sway-back.
- it is connected to a balun/transformer,
# 1 - That is good.
- then I have coax cable conected to the balun
# 2 - That is good.
- with a very thick earthwire going from the balun
# 3 - That is good.
- and receiver to ground (a 8 foot underground spike.
# 4 - That is good.
- regards
- vangellis
-
Vangellis,
FWIW - If you have a Ground Wire going from an 8-Foot
Ground Rod 'up' 40-Foot to the Balun then most likely
that Wire is a Grounded {Terminated} Vertical Radiator;
and at least at some Frequencies part of the Antenna
Element System.
Effectively an Off-Center-Fed Dipole Antenna {Windom}
that is Bent into the Shape of an Inverted "L" Antenna.
and that is the way 'i' see it - iane ~ RHF
.
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:45b3dc18-300b-48aa...@k20g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 5, 3:49 pm, "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:d5e23f91-7a47-442f...@v32g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> > * * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * *
>
> > - Gentlemen,
> > -
> > - Please!!!!!
> > - Enough of this bickering.
> > -
> > - With respect RHF,
> > - would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna
> > - and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire
> > - (I am limited for space)
> > -
> > - regards Vangellis
> > - UK
> > -
>
> > Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF
>
> > The -L- o - n - g - Answer is :
> > Rigginghttp://www.geocities.com/qrp_baluns/app-swlz.htmlhttp://www.kc7nod.20...
>
> > Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95
> > GBPhttp://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html
> > About the "Universal Magnetic Balun"
> > (UMB)http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html
>
> > The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire
> > Antenna.http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html
> > Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by-
> > Wellbrook.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/735cc467b35a70d5
>
> > READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna
> > -or- Inverted "L" Antenna
> > ?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/85364956151adbba
>
> > READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front'
> > = Better
> > Performancehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c14b09ea224f4434
>
> > READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL)
> > Antenna Reccomendations
> > ?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e37277e8657b87ae
>
> > vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
> > .
> > Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas Group =>http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
> > GoTo =>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
> > .
> > RHF's Standard "Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas Group"
> > Reference Message Signature-Line
> > =>http://tinyurl.com/25zbrghttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.sho...
Telamon
<31300d7e-3ef0-465e...@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
You sure have lousy vision then. No big surprise.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
> > Hi RHF
> > The actual longwire start is about 40 foot high, the centre of the V is
> > about 35 feet and the end of the V is about 40 foot ( all in all it is
> > about 80 foot long overall) it is connected to a balun/transformer, then I
> > have coax cable conected to the balun with a very thick earthwire going
> > from the balun and receiver to ground (a 8 foot underground spike.
> > regards
> > vangellis
- I forgot to mention it is in a V shape, not a L shape,
- with both sides of the V at 45 degrees to each other.
- vangellis
Vangellis,
What does the Balun 'connect' to the "V" Wire ?
[ ] At One End
[ ] At the Point {Bend} of the "V"
~ RHF
.
RHF
- of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving
- {Only} Antenna
-
- Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} Receiving {Only Antenna
- 1.8 - 30MHz (Small Vertical Passive SW Antenna)
- WM SWL ANTENNA -http://tinyurl.com/2g2hqx
Do-It-Yourself "Alternative" # 2 to the Watson-Miller
Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna
Still working on a Home Brewed Sort-of-Look-a-Like Antenna
using Copper Tubing and a PVC Pipe Mast Support; along
with a 9:1 Matching Transformer and Coax Cable feed-in-line.
It's a Work-in-Progress with two false starts {Whoops}
The 1/4" Copper Pipe ~ 15 Feet Long Antenna Element
comes from a Icemaker Water Supply Installation Kit
http://frigidaire.stores.yahoo.net/unicemakinki1.html
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=53757-131-813
Ten Foot Piece of PVC Pipe Upper-Mast
[ Antenna Element Shape Support ]
Attempting to get a 6" Radius Top And Bottom
RF Junkie 9:1 SWL-1 Long-Wire Feeder [ Matching
Transformer ] with So-239 to "F" Adapter
RG-6 Quad-Shield Coax Cable feed-in-line 50~100 Feet.
21-Foot piece of Top-Rail for the Bottom Mast
[ Free-Standing with a Ground Anchor ]
The Fold-Up and repeated problem so far has been
'forming' the 1/4" Copper Tubing Antrenna Element
with the Straight Parallel Runs and the Six-Inch
Radius at the Top and Bottom.
A Plastic Chop-Stick is being used to Fill the 3" Gap
between the Two Ends of the the "C" and hold them
in 'fixed' Alignment with the other parallel run.
Still have not figured-out whether to use the Top-End
of the "C" Gap or the Bottom-End as the Feed-Point.
? Any Suggestions as to Which and Why ?
yes - i like play with antenna projects - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
.
Are You Interested in building a better Shortwave Listening*
(SWL) Antenna ? {SWL Group} => http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
GoTo => http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
RHF's Standard "Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas Group"
Reference Message Signature-Line => http://tinyurl.com/25zbrg
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/411dac3b4a1798e0
.
* Remember 55.5% of Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL)
is the Shortwave Antenna =>http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
.
RHF's Radio Shack in Twain Harte, California -USA-
SHACK INFO =>http://tinyurl.com/2skmxm
Shortwave Radio / Receiver and SWL Antenna Info
.
-=2SKMXM=-
-=25ZBRG=-
SWR3:SWL:INFO
.
-
- NOTE - Watson Miller makes several Antennas for Scanners
- and VHF and UHF usage
- http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson_VHF_UHF_Antennas.html
- http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson_Mobile_Antennas.html
- http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson_Handheld_Antennas.html
- + Plus Watson does make some HF Wire Antennas
- http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/WATSON_HF_Wire_Antennas.html
- Mostly for the Amateur Radio Bands -but-
- SWL-DXDL Watson Long Wire + MLB Antenna Kit
- SWL-DX1 Watson SWL Long Wire Antenna Kit
- WA-103 Broadband T2FD Antenna 7-30 MHz
- WDP-30 Watson 1~30 MHz Receiving Dipole including Coax Feeder
- Watson-Miller SW Receiving Antenna 1.8 - 30MHz (Passive)
> Evaluation of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving
> {Only} Antenna : Visual Examination and Review
> of the Written Description.
>
> Start by taking a look at the Photos and Reading the Info
> presented : Here is what I 'think' can be reasonably said
> about the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL)
> Receiving {Only} Antenna.
> WM SWL ANT -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf
> 30 Foot Horizontal-Out-Arm.http://www.parelectronics.com/swl_end.htmhttp://www.grove-ent.com/ANT8.htmlhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/2205.html
> PAR EFL-SWL Antenna, and Inverted-L Antenna Questionshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4311c0ac4f084b87http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b02ff595de9fea91
> Reference Message Signature-Line =>http://tinyurl.com/25zbrghttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/411dac3b4a1798e0
> .
> -=25ZBRG=-
> .
> On Mar 31, 11:37 am, "vangellis" <vangell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> -
> - Hi
> - I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these.
> - Watson Miller SW Antenna
> -http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/catalog/miller-receiving-antenna-3...