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Chas. Chan

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Sep 29, 2010, 9:39:57 PM9/29/10
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President Obama and Weatherman terrorist group founder Bill Ayers
provided funds in the 1990s to an Arab group whose executive director
had his home raided last week as part of a terror probe by the FBI.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/klein-terror-probe-targets-group-funded-by-obama-president-bill-ayers-channeled-money-to-anti-israel-organization/

wy

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On Sep 29, 9:39 pm, "Chas. Chan" <tianmei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> President Obama and Weatherman terrorist group founder Bill Ayers
> provided funds in the 1990s to an Arab group whose executive director
> had his home raided last week as part of a terror probe by the FBI.
>
> http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/klein-terror-probe...

Yeah, and? What's the real story? All I read was a bunch of loose
ends that the writer was feverishly trying to up into a guilty verdict
of ... of what?

Chas. Chan

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Sep 29, 2010, 9:51:30 PM9/29/10
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Read all the way through...

While the ruling class media have been busy casting slurs, slanders
and snide comments about Christine O'Donnell, Jeffrey Lord over at
American Spectator has been busy unearthing some rather interesting
background on Harry Reid's pet senatorial candidate, Chris Coons.

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/09/20/chris-coons-volunteer-for-libe

In a brilliant piece of writing and detective work, Mr. Lord has
traced a rather involved series of links from Mr. Coons' junior year
of college abroad in Africa, and his marked change in political views,
to the Black Liberation Theology movement in South Africa, and
ultimately to Trinity UCC Church in Chicago, home of one Jeremiah
Wright and our sitting President.

The Spectator article begins by asking just what was it that Mr. Coons
encountered on his African sabbatical that changed him , as Politico
describes it, from a "proud founding member of the Amherst College
Republicans" to the "Bearded Marxist" he wrote about on his return
from abroad.

The answer appears to be that during his travels Coons did "volunteer
work" for the South African Council of Churches (SACC), which includes
a think tank called the Institute for Contextual Theology, which in
turn promotes Liberation Theology:

So what was SACC up to in this period when Chris Coons crossed the
Atlantic to South Africa and Kenya to "volunteer" and do "relief
work"? What was SACC doing that Chris Coons seems not to want to
discuss on his website? Or that leaves the Washington Post and the New
York Times so incurious?...

...there was something else going on in South Africa with those who
believed in James Cone's Black Liberation Theology that had nothing at
all to do with an agenda of freedom for South African blacks...

...Yes indeed. Liberation theology. The Marxism-as-Christianity
umbrella philosophy...

The article goes on at length to trace writings by South African
theologians to a September 16th book signing for Preaching with Sacred
Fire: An Anthology of African American Sermons, 1750-present, held at,
of all places, Trinity UCC Church in Chicago.

Citing the litany of radical actions, appointments and legislation
imposed by the Obama government, the Spectator column goes on to
observe:

America is right this minute in the tightening grip of "liberation
theology" -- exactly the philosophy that Delaware's Chris Coons was so
anxious to go to Africa and serve as a volunteer.

On a sourcing note, while Mr. Lord's article links Mr. Coons' Kenya
trip to the South African Council of Churches through a Wikipedia
reference, the SACC reference appears right on the Chris Coons
campaign web site, as well as in a salon.com article and elsewhere .

The Spectator article is a long one, but well worth reading to get the
full flavor of a significant chapter in the life and ideology of
candidate Coons. The article concludes

Chris Coons wants to be the newest addition to the liberation theology
zealotry in Washington -- and the people of Delaware are supposed to
be the passive yokels who agree to put him there. Even as they are
losing their jobs, their homes and their entire hard won way of life
because of the very philosophy Coons traveled thousands of miles to
Africa to support.

So, while the media mob mentality does everything possible to
denigrate and disparage Christine O'Donnell, they have been "silent on
a stunning revelation that could prove uniquely fatal to Chris Coons'
Senate candidacy," as the Washington Times quotes Mr. Lord.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/chris_coons_and_his_support_fo.html

Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html

Is Black Liberation Theology related to - "The Palestinian Liberation
Theology which grew out of the Liberation Theology movement
popularized in Latin America in the 1970s and 80s, a faddy form of
Christian socialism where Replacement Theology met Marxism. They
emphasized oppression of the poor and encouraged political activism to
abolish perpetual class struggle. The rich were against God by way of
their wealth, and the poor were privileged by way of their poverty.
The Bible was reduced to nothing more than stories about the poor and
the persecuted."

"The heyday of Liberation Theology was its inception. With the fall
of the Soviet Union and the failure of Marxist revolutionary movements
in Latin America, Liberation Theology lost most of its justification
and influence. The premise did appeal to Palestinians, because of its
favor for the underdog and its potential to de-Zionize the Old
Testament."

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26203

The influence of liberation theology diminished after proponents using
Marxist concepts were admonished by the Vatican's Congregation for the
Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) in 1984 and 1986. The instructions
rejected the Marxist-based idea that class struggle is fundamental to
history.

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI), who was prefect of the
CDF at the time when the Instructions were issued, published his own
personal criticism of the movement in 1985. In this document Ratzinger
claims that in certain forms of Liberation Theology, the meaning of
basic theological terms is changed - e.g. terms such as "hope",
"love", and "salvation" are assigned a Marxist interpretation in terms
of "class struggle".

Ratzinger also argued that Liberation Theology is not originally a
"grass-roots" movement among the poor, but rather, a creation of
Western intellectuals: "an attempt to test, in a concrete scenario,
ideologies that have been invented in the laboratory by European
theologians" and in a certain sense itself a form of "cultural
imperialism". Ratzinger saw this as a reaction to the demise or near-
demise of the "Marxist myth" in the West.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7143

Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html

FBI Serves 'Terrorism' Warrants in Chicago, Minneapolis...

"They were looking for information about folks who had traveled to
Latin America or the Middle East. I've traveled in Lebanon."

A lawyer said the vaguely-worded warrant mentioned Lebanon-based
Hezbollah and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), both
of which have been designated terrorist groups by the U.S.
government.

A suspect said he has traveled to both Lebanon and Colombia "in
solidarity with people who are being oppressed."

An attorney, called the raids "a probe into the political beliefs of
American citizens and any organization anywhere that opposes the
American imperial design." He said the warrants cited a federal law
making it a violation to provide or conspire to provide material
support to designated foreign terrorist organizations.

The warrant for the raid sought notebooks, address books, photos and
maps of travels to the Palestinian territories, Colombia and in the
United States on behalf of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization.
It
also sought materials on personal finances and those of the group,
"potential co-conspirators" and recruitment efforts for the group.

The warrant also sought any information about efforts to support
FARC,
a guerrilla organization in Colombia, the Popular Front for the
Liberation of Palestine, and Hezbollah, the political and
paramilitary
organization based in Lebanon.

http://www.startribune.com/local/103716104.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100924/us_nm/us_usa_security_searches
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/busted-anti-american-terrorism-supporters-in-chicago-and-minneapolis/

An avowed Marxist, Stan Goff is a writer for The Freedom Road
Socialist Organization, a group whose intent is to destroy, “by any
means necessary, the whole current social order based on the rights of
the wealthy.” Goff was also a member and recruiter for the Communist
Party USA, a national organization of anti-capitalist activists
advocating a radical revolution of the U.S. working class.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1549

U.S. "progressives" meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

New York, NY - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad met here,
September 21, with 100 leaders and representatives of anti-war, labor,
alternative media and Iranian and Palestinian solidarity
organizations. Among the participants were Sarah Martin, Freedom Road
Socialist Organization, Margaret Sarfehjooy, board member of the
Minneapolis-based Women Against Military Madness, former attorney
general Ramsey Clark, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, Sara
Flounders from the International Action Center, Brian Becker of the
ANSWER coalition, Ramona Africa of the Free Mumia Coalition and Amiri
Baraka, poet and activist.

The meeting was called by the president of Iran with the hope that a
frank and honest exchange of views will help activists further the
cause of peace between the people of Iran and the U.S.

http://baarswestside.blogspot.com/2010/09/fbi-raids-homes-of-anti-war-activists.html
http://www.fightbacknews.org/2010/9/23/us-progressives-meet-iranian-president-mahmoud-ahmadinejad

Chas. Chan

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Sep 29, 2010, 9:54:22 PM9/29/10
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Chicago blogger Bill Baar posts today on the FBI raids in Chicago and
Minneapolis.
However, Baar has found the breadcrumb trail to something even more
interesting — and concerning.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/ahmadinejads-red-stooges/

wy

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Sep 29, 2010, 10:04:58 PM9/29/10
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> http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/chris_coons_and_his_suppo...

>
> Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
>
> http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog...
> http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog...
> http://www.startribune.com/local/103716104.htmlhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100924/us_nm/us_usa_security_searcheshttp://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/busted-anti-americ...

>
> An avowed Marxist, Stan Goff is a writer for The Freedom Road
> Socialist Organization, a group whose intent is to destroy, “by any
> means necessary, the whole current social order based on the rights of
> the wealthy.” Goff was also a member and recruiter for the Communist
> Party USA, a national organization of anti-capitalist activists
> advocating a radical revolution of the U.S. working class.
>
> http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1549
>
> U.S. "progressives" meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
>
> New York, NY - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad met here,
> September 21, with 100 leaders and representatives of anti-war, labor,
> alternative media and Iranian and Palestinian solidarity
> organizations. Among the participants were Sarah Martin, Freedom Road
> Socialist Organization, Margaret Sarfehjooy, board member of the
> Minneapolis-based Women Against Military Madness, former attorney
> general Ramsey Clark, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, Sara
> Flounders from the International Action Center, Brian Becker of the
> ANSWER coalition, Ramona Africa of the Free Mumia Coalition and Amiri
> Baraka, poet and activist.
>
> The meeting was called by the president of Iran with the hope that a
> frank and honest exchange of views will help activists further the
> cause of peace between the people of Iran and the U.S.
>
> http://baarswestside.blogspot.com/2010/09/fbi-raids-homes-of-anti-war...http://www.fightbacknews.org/2010/9/23/us-progressives-meet-iranian-p...


What's any of that got to do with your original post? Still
desperately trying to tie knots where none exist?


wy

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Sep 29, 2010, 10:07:04 PM9/29/10
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> http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/ahmadinejads-red-s...

And how does any of that involve Obama? Your desperation is getting
too desperate.

RHF

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Sep 29, 2010, 11:33:51 PM9/29/10
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On Sep 29, 7:07 pm, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 9:54 pm, "Chas. Chan" <tianmei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chicago blogger Bill Baar posts today on the FBI raids in Chicago and
> > Minneapolis.
> > However, Baar has found the breadcrumb trail to something even more
> > interesting — and concerning.
>
> >http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/ahmadinejads-red-s...

- And how does any of that involve Obama?
- Your desperation is getting too desperate.

If'n it happen in the USA : It's Prez Obama's Fault
-cause- We Always Blame Our US Prez-A-Duntz
-and- Prez Obama -is- The US Prez-A-Duntz
= link = logic = [ ] = logic = link =

the [ ] has been established ~ RHF
.
-was- Terror probe targets group funded by Obama


U.S. "progressives" meet with Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

-word-scramble- {-just-for-the-fun-of-it-}
Terror Group Targets Iranian President Obama
.
.

dave

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Sep 30, 2010, 9:47:33 AM9/30/10
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Bill Ayers was less of a terrorist than Kissinger.

dave

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Sep 30, 2010, 9:49:15 AM9/30/10
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Chas. Chan wrote:

>
> In a brilliant piece of writing and detective work, Mr. Lord has
> traced a rather involved series of links from Mr. Coons' junior year
> of college abroad in Africa, and his marked change in political views,
> to the Black Liberation Theology movement in South Africa, and
> ultimately to Trinity UCC Church in Chicago, home of one Jeremiah
> Wright and our sitting President.
>

Reverend Wright is pretty cool, actually. He was a combat medic; where'd
you serve?

Coffee

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"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
news:4ca4872f$0$5516$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...

Are you kidding? These morons won't serve in the military, even the people
they put in office don't go to war. Remember, Bush went to National Guard
to escape from going to Vietnam, Cheney got five deferment not to go to
war. All these people patriotism is just talk.

--
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RHF

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On Sep 30, 9:54 pm, "Coffee" <coffee...@noteabag.com> wrote:
> "dave" <d...@dave.dave> wrote in message

>
> news:4ca4872f$0$5516$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
>
> > Chas. Chan wrote:
>
> >> In a brilliant piece of writing and detective work, Mr. Lord has
> >> traced a rather involved series of links from Mr. Coons' junior year
> >> of college abroad in Africa, and his marked change in political views,
> >> to the Black Liberation Theology movement in South Africa, and
> >> ultimately to Trinity UCC Church in Chicago, home of one Jeremiah
> >> Wright and our sitting President.

- - Reverend Wright is pretty cool, actually.
- - He was a combat medic; where'd you serve?

Jeremiah Wright (third from right), in 1966,
as a U.S. Navy Hospital Corpsman. He is
tending to President Lyndon Johnson, for
which he was commended
http://www.zimbio.com/Barack+Obama/articles/587/Jeremiah+Wright+Biography
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/jeremiah-wright.htm

> Are you kidding? These morons won't serve in the military, even the people
> they put in office don't go to war. Remember, Bush went to National Guard
> to escape from going to Vietnam, Cheney got five deferment not to go to
> war. All these people patriotism is just talk.
>

> --www.lightningnews.comLightning fast anonymous usenet downloads for 5$ only !

dave

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dave

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Oct 1, 2010, 9:31:57 AM10/1/10
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RHF wrote:
> On Sep 30, 9:54 pm, "Coffee"<coffee...@noteabag.com> wrote:
>> "dave"<d...@dave.dave> wrote in message

> Jeremiah Wright (third from right), in 1966,


> as a U.S. Navy Hospital Corpsman. He is
> tending to President Lyndon Johnson, for
> which he was commended

Corpsman not medic.

RHF

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On Oct 1, 6:31 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
- - RHF wrote:
- - On Sep 30, 9:54 pm, "Coffee"<coffee...@noteabag.com>  wrote:

> >> "dave"<d...@dave.dave>  wrote in message
- - Jeremiah Wright (third from right), in 1966,
- - as a U.S. Navy Hospital Corpsman. He is
- - tending to President Lyndon Johnson, for
- - which he was commended

- Corpsman not medic.

'Special Dave' that's why I copied it in 'special english'
just for you "U.S. Navy Hospital Corpsman"
-source-
http://www.zimbio.com/Barack+Obama/articles/587/Jeremiah+Wright+Biography
.

RHF

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On Oct 1, 6:06 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
- http://wire.antiwar.com/2010/09/29/gates-says-too-few-in-us-bear-the-...

'Special Dave' Get It Right and Not Slant the News/Facts

What Defense Secretary Robert Gates really said :

Gates Says Too Few in US Bear the Burdens of War

http://wire.antiwar.com/2010/09/29/gates-says-too-few-in-us-bear-the-burdens-of-war/

US Defense Chief Warns Most Americans Detached
from Wars, see Mititary Service as something
that 'others'* do

* the poor and un-under-educated

The Issue is NOT More Taxes :
The Issue is Compulsory National Service
for Those Who Benefit Most* from America

* America's Brightest that Receive America's
Best and Highest Education should be Required
to : Give Back {A Full Measure} To America.

FIRST - Every US Collage Grad* should have
to do Two to Four Years of National Service in
the US Military.

* America's Brightest that Receive America's
Best and Highest Education should be Required
to : Give Back {A Full Measure} To America.

=EXEMPTIONS= To National Service in the US
Military.

1 - Doctors, Nurses and other Medical Professionals
who worked at US Public Health Care Clinics for
5-Years would be exempted.

2 - Teachers and Educators who works at US Public
Schools K~12* for 5-Years would be exempted.
* Not Private Schools and Not Colleges

3 - Engineers and Scientist who worked at US Military
and Government Agencies [NASA] for 5-Years would
be exempted.

4 - All other US Collage Grads for the Rest of their
Lives : Would be Required to Pay a 5% Added to
their US Income Tax Surcharge; plus 1% Annually
of their Personal {Family} Wealth over $1M.

FINALLY : US High School Graduates would NOT
be required to preform National Military Service
but would be required to Registar for the Draft
and could be Drafted by Lottery in Time of a
Declared War by Act of Congress Only.

NOW : If any US High School Graduates {American
US Citizens}; that did not Graduate from Collage;
wanted to Voluntarily Join the US Military and could
Pass the Tests : God Bless Their Patriotism - Amen

Once Again : America's Brightest that Receive
America's Best and Highest Education should be
Required to : Give Back {A Full Measure} To America.

and yes that is how i see it ~ RHF
.
.

bpnjensen

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Oct 1, 2010, 2:15:44 PM10/1/10
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> -source-http://www.zimbio.com/Barack+Obama/articles/587/Jeremiah+Wright+Biogr...
>  .

Gee - His rhetoric aside, Wright seems like quite a guy...

bpnjensen

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On Oct 1, 10:47 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 6:06 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> -http://wire.antiwar.com/2010/09/29/gates-says-too-few-in-us-bear-the-...

>
> 'Special Dave' Get It Right and Not Slant the News/Facts
>
> What Defense Secretary Robert Gates really said :
>
> Gates Says Too Few in US Bear the Burdens of War
>
> http://wire.antiwar.com/2010/09/29/gates-says-too-few-in-us-bear-the-...

That may be how you see it, but that was not the thrust of the article.

RHF

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Oct 1, 2010, 2:59:14 PM10/1/10
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- That may be how you see it,

Clearly that is what I got from it being a
'poor and un-under-educated' American

- but that was not the thrust of the article.

BpnJ - Your 'Thrust' -is- My 'Parry'

It you believe in the Graduated Income Tax
- - - Then You Should Be For - - -
The Graduated Duty* For National Service

Those Who Receive More From The Nation :
Have The Duty To Serve More For The Nation [.]

Yes Comrades : It's Time The Rich and Educated
Did Give Their Full Share On All Levels !
* First Gave Their Lives and Time In National Service
* Plus Gave Their Money and Wealth to Support
The Nation and National Service

Once Again - What Defense Secretary Robert
Gates really said : -read-it-yourself-

Gates Says Too Few in US Bear the Burdens of War

http://wire.antiwar.com/2010/09/29/gates-says-too-few-in-us-bear-the-burdens-of-war/

US Defense Chief Warns Most Americans Detached

from Wars, see Military Service as something
that 'others'* do
http://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d757f096d2debcdc


* the poor and un-under-educated

The Issue Should NOT Simply Be More Taxes :
The Issue Is Compulsory National Service For
All Those Who Benefit Most* from America
Plus Higher Taxes For Them.

* America's Brightest that Receive America's
Best and Highest Education should be Required
to : Give Back {A Full Measure} To America.

When The Rich Man's Sons and Daughters Have
To Serve in the US Military and Go To War :
There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]

When The Elite Educated Young Men and Women
Have To Serve in the US Military and Go To War :
There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]

dave

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Hiding behind superfluous feel-good slogans and rhetoric does not equate
with shared sacrifice.

dave

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http://www.chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2028-friendly-fire-whining-up-front-warmongering-in-the-back.html

It is almost certain that we will never learn the real reasons behind
these particular attacks; the operations of the Terror War are obscured
by so much deliberately fomented murk, so many factions with various
covert agendas, and so much "plausible deniability" that specific events
can rarely be discerned with any clarity. But the general fact of
Obama's relentless escalation of military action in and against Pakistan
cannot be denied. Likewise, the result of this surge, if it continues
apace, is equally clear: the further destabilization of a nuclear-armed
nation now suffering one the greatest humanitarian disasters in modern
times, with a concomitant rise in extremism, desperation, violence, and
the world-shaking destabilization of a region already long poised on the
brink of nuclear war.

As I've said here before, you must forgive me for not being overly
concerned about the political fortunes of a president and a party
embarked on a course of such murderous lunacy.

RHF

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> from Wars, see Military Service as something
> that 'others'* do
> http://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d757f096d2debcdc
> * the poor and un-under-educated
>
> The Issue Should NOT Simply Be More Taxes :
> The Issue Is Compulsory National Service For
> All Those Who Benefit Most* from America
> Plus Higher Taxes For Them.
>
> * America's Brightest that Receive America's
> Best and Highest Education should be Required
> to : Give Back {A Full Measure} To America.
>
> When The Rich Man's Sons and Daughters Have
> To Serve in the US Military and Go To War :
> There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]
>
> When The Elite Educated Young Men and Women
> Have To Serve in the US Military and Go To War :
> There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]
>
> and yes that is how i see it ~ RHF
>  .
>  .

Reality Check :
If National Service was good enough for HRH
thttp://chicagoboyz.net/blogfiles/PrincessElizabethInUniform500px.jpg

Then it's good enough for America's Rich Sons and
Daughters To Have To Serve in the US Military and


Go To War :
There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]

Then it's good enough for America's Elite Educated
Young Men and Women To Have To Serve in the


US Military and Go To War :
There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]

.


US Defense Chief Warns Most Americans Detached from
Wars, see Military Service as something that 'others'* do
http://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d757f096d2debcdc
* the poor and un-under-educated

http://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9d19e76e29818607

BpnJ - There would be plenty of 'exemptions' for
Alternative National Service in the US Military :

1 - Doctors, Nurses and other Medical Professionals
who worked at US Public Health Care Clinics for
5-Years would be exempted.

2 - Teachers and Educators who works at US Public
Schools K~12* for 5-Years would be exempted.
* Not Private Schools and Not Colleges

3 - Engineers and Scientist who worked at US Military
and Government Agencies [NASA] for 5-Years would
be exempted.

4 - All other US Collage Grads for the Rest of their
Lives : Would be Required to Pay a 5% Added to
their US Income Tax Surcharge; plus 1% Annually
of their Personal {Family} Wealth over $1M.

FINALLY : US High School Graduates would NOT
be required to preform National Military Service

but would be required to Registrar for the Draft

RHF

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On Oct 1, 1:04 pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> bpnjensen wrote:
> > On Oct 1, 10:47 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net>  wrote:
> >> Once Again : America's Brightest that Receive
> >> America's Best and Highest Education should be
> >> Required to : Give Back {A Full Measure} To America.
>
> >> and yes that is how i see it ~ RHF
> >>   .
> >>   .
>
> > That may be how you see it, but that was not the thrust of the article.
>
- Hiding behind superfluous feel-good slogans
- and rhetoric does not equate with shared sacrifice.

'Speacial Dave' - Reality Check :


If National Service was good enough for HRH
thttp://chicagoboyz.net/blogfiles/PrincessElizabethInUniform500px.jpg

and all these fine Americans :
* Prez Truman
http://www.presidentialtimeline.org/html/images/objects/0291_lg.jpg
* Prez Eisenhower
http://www.raabcollection.com/Resources/Images/Manuscripts/BigImages/large_EisenhowerSP7526.jpg
* Prez Kennedy
http://reneeashleybaker.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/young-jfk-in-navy-uniform.jpg?w=351&h=501
* Prez Johnson
http://www.lbjlibrary.org/assets/lbj_tools/photolab/photos/4/web/41-12-1_web.jpg
* Prez Nixon
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/B76AC6A0-D766-4129-9B36-C31B2D5E2262/U1016583.jpg
* Prez Ford
http://sites.google.com/site/thecannonreport/ford2.jpg
* Prez Carter
http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/tdgh-oct/Jimmy%20Carter%20in%20Navy%20Uniform.jpg
* Prez Bush
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/DEFE2370-B926-4EDD-895E-BE5E0864D3D5/IH055351.jpg
.
Then it's good enough Today for America's Rich


Sons and Daughters To Have To Serve in the US
Military and Go To War : There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]
.

Then it's good enough Today for America's Elite


Educated Young Men and Women To Have To
Serve in the US Military and Go To War :
There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]
.

US Defense Chief Warns Most Americans Detached from

Wars, see Military Service as something that 'others'* do
http://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d757f096d2debcdc


* the poor and un-under-educated

http://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9d19e76e29818607

'Speacial Dave',
It you believe in the Graduated Income Tax :
Then You Should Be For : The Graduated Duty*
For Greater National Service By The Rich and
Educated Elite.

* Those Who Receive More From The Nation :
Have The Duty To Serve and Sacrifice More
For The Nation [.]

Yes Comrades : It's Time That The Rich and
Educated elite Did Give Their Full Share On
All Levels !
* First Give Their Lives and Time In National Service
* Plus {Second} Give More of Their Money and Wealth


to Support The Nation and National Service

Once Again : America's Brightest that Receive


America's Best and Highest Education should

be Required to : Give Back {A Full Measure Plus}

bpnjensen

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Oct 1, 2010, 4:10:28 PM10/1/10
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> from Wars, see Military Service as something
> that 'others'* dohttp://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d757f096d2debcdc

> * the poor and un-under-educated
>
> The Issue Should NOT Simply Be More Taxes :
> The Issue Is Compulsory National Service For
> All Those Who Benefit Most* from America
> Plus Higher Taxes For Them.
>
> * America's Brightest that Receive America's
> Best and Highest Education should be Required
> to : Give Back {A Full Measure} To America.
>
> When The Rich Man's Sons and Daughters Have
> To Serve in the US Military and Go To War :
> There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]
>
> When The Elite Educated Young Men and Women
> Have To Serve in the US Military and Go To War :
> There Will Be Fewer Wars [.]
>
> and yes that is how i see it ~ RHF
>  .
>  .- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Whatever. That's not my argument.

The only thing that will create fewer wars will be when ALL people of
the world chosoe leaders who choose peace. Until then, the world's
demagogues will lead their tin soldiers to their deaths.

bpnjensen

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Oct 1, 2010, 4:11:04 PM10/1/10
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> Wars, see Military Service as something that 'others'* dohttp://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d757f096d2debcdc
> * the poor and un-under-educatedhttp://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9d19e76e29818607
>  .- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That's not the point. Continue to embellish if you wish.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Oct 1, 2010, 4:21:51 PM10/1/10
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I have exterior wood glue stuck all over my fingers.
cuhulin

RHF

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Oct 1, 2010, 6:36:04 PM10/1/10
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On Oct 1, 1:21 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
- I have exterior wood glue stuck all over my fingers.
- cuhulin

HALT ! {Stoppen Ze !}
First Thing -remember- Don't Whip You Butt ! :o)
.

RHF

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Oct 1, 2010, 6:53:47 PM10/1/10
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- Continue to embellish if you wish.

BpnJ - Again Your 'Thrust' {point}
-is- My 'Parry' {Embellishment}

RHF -says- Let the Embellishment be begin again . . .

Gates Says Too Few in US Bear the Burdens of War

http://tinyurl.com/2g4r448

http://wire.antiwar.com/2010/09/29/gates-says-too-few-in-us-bear-the-burdens-of-war/

US Defense Chief Warns Most Americans Detached
from Wars, see Military Service as something

that 'others'* do { http://tinyurl.com/2g4r448 }
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d757f096d2debcdc

* and . . . If you believe in the Graduated Income Tax :
Then You Should Be For : The Graduated Duty To
Perform A Greater National Service By The Rich
and Educated Elite.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9d19e76e29818607

* and . . . There would be plenty of 'exemptions'


for Alternative National Service in the US Military

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c61f41d476f79b0d

* and . . . If National Service was good enough
for all these fine American Prez-A-Duntzs :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8055b93693c8c424

* and . . . Once Again : America's Brightest that


Receive America's Best and Highest Education
should be Required to :

Give Back {A Full Measure Plus} To America.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Oct 2, 2010, 9:35:14 AM10/2/10
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Sam Nunn of Georgia says Wahr, instead of War.
cuhulin

sctvguy1

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Oct 2, 2010, 9:47:44 AM10/2/10
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cuh...@webtv.net wrote:

> Sam Nunn of Georgia says Wahr, instead of War.
> cuhulin

So did Harry Truman. What is your point(less)?

sctvguy1

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Oct 2, 2010, 10:56:50 AM10/2/10
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cuh...@webtv.net wrote:

> I have exterior wood glue stuck all over my fingers.
> cuhulin

So?

cuh...@webtv.net

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Oct 2, 2010, 11:29:27 AM10/2/10
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DARPA has a new mind control helmet for the Troops.I think I read about
that (I say, I think, Ergo it's cold weather here and I haven't drank
enough coffee yet and I am waiting for my brain to thaw out so I can get
on my roof top and do some painting up thar) at
http://www.rense.com

Maybe I will wait untill the From Russia With Love movie is over on the
Encore channel, Ergo I am in no big hurry anyway.
So?
cuhulin

arthr...@webtv.net

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Oct 3, 2010, 1:04:36 AM10/3/10
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On Oct 2, 11:29 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> DARPA has a new mind control helmet for the Troops.I think I read about
> that (I say, I think, Ergo it's cold weather here and I haven't drank
> enough coffee yet and I am waiting for my brain to thaw out so I can get
> on my roof top and do some painting up thar) athttp://www.rense.com

>
> Maybe I will wait untill the From Russia With Love movie is over on the
> Encore channel, Ergo I am in no big hurry anyway.
> So?
> cuhulin

What you need is a nice russian winter hat. Just like in the movies.
Coffee is addictive .

cuh...@webtv.net

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Oct 3, 2010, 12:09:51 PM10/3/10
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It is only 61 degrees inside my flower box on doggy's front porch.What I
needs is for it to warm up some more so I can get back up on my roof top
and paint on two coats of Olympic satin sheen exterior paint on that
outside part of my living room.Then, I will move over to the other part
of the outside of my living room up thar and start cleaning and get that
ready for primer paint and two coats of exterior paint.Slowwwww as I am,
I reckon that will take me a whole week to do that too.
I am hell when I am well, truble is, I stay sick all the time!
cuhulin

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