Counterfeit circuit breakers
m II
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recalls04/2008/squared.html
Greed is going to kill us all...and where are all those certification
organizations we all pay good money to?
mike
Billy Smith
"m II" <c...@in.the.hat> wrote in message news:tWy%j.420$cV.116@edtnps92...
They are into the pockets of big business. So much for consumer safety.
Thats what you get when clowns like DxDouche vote for Republicans and Jorge
Boosh.
RHF
D'Oh !
Mike you yourself used the word 'Counterfeit' in the subject-line.
No amount of Accurate Testing and Legal Certification can
prevent illegally 'counterfeited' products from being placed within
the Market-Place disguised as a Legal Product.
-ps- where they made in canada or imported through
canada via nafta into the usa . . . ~ RHF
.
Tex
> Now, I wonder where THESE came from.
Statement of Professor Daniel C.K. Chow
COUNTERFEITING IN CHINA
I. Introduction
In terms of size, scope, and magnitude, counterfeiting in China is
considered by many to the most serious counterfeiting problem in world
history. (As used here, counterfeiting refers to the unauthorized use
of trademarks owned by another on identical or similar goods.) A
recent study by the PRC State Council Research and Development Center
reported that in 2001 the PRC economy was flooded with between $19-$24
billion worth of counterfeit goods. Brand owners in China estimate
that 15 to 20% of all well-known brands in China are counterfeit and
estimate their losses to be in the tens of billions of dollars.
Counterfeiting is estimated to now account for approximately 8% of
China’s gross domestic product.
China is also a leading exporter of counterfeit products to other
countries in Asia, Europe, and the United States. In 2003, China
accounted for 66% or over $62 million of the $94 million of all
counterfeit and infringing goods seized by the US Customs Service at
ports of entry into the United States. Mid-year figures in 2004
indicate that seizures are sharply higher with $64 million seized in
the first half of 2004 alone. An ominous development is that beginning
in 2004, exports of counterfeits from China to the United States and
other parts of the world may begin to increase significantly for the
foreseeable future.
statement continued at http://www.cecc.gov/pages/roundtables/051605/Chow.php
Billy Smith
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:ab3983b2-4614-459d...@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
D'Oh !
Dufus the retard actually made a quasi-intelligent statement. The one time
he actually made a cogent point. The thing is that is important to note is
that a manufacturer can control the supply chain of the products. Generally
by selling to certifiable merchants and having a control of the supply
chain.
cuh...@webtv.net
China, I remember seeing that it on tv news wayyyy back when.Nixon
opened up China to America.
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
Republican.
Won in 1968 against Hubert H. Humphrey
Won in 1972 against George McGovern
Retired in shame in August 1974 during impeachment proceedings due to the
Watergate breakin scandal.
cuh...@webtv.net
China.Nothing too much wrong with my memory.
cuhulin
dave
Radioguy
How would a certification organization prevent counterfeit circuit
breakers from being imported and sold by some sleaze-bag business.
You seem to be wrongly focused on some undefined "They" being the
cause and solution to the problem. WE are as much a part of the
counterfeit problem because WE create the demand for those products by
focusing on the lowest possible price. Many of us will jump at
products like circuit breakers marked Square D at impossibly low
prices (that's greed). And we are surprised that the Square D circuit
breaker is a dangerous fake, that the counterfeit Crest toothpaste has
antifreeze, or that the childs toy was assembled using cheap
components including lead paint.
When prices are too good to be true they usually are.
m II
> When prices are too good to be true they usually are.
I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
Somehow, I don't think the counterfeiters were selling them out of the
trunks of their cars.
The greed may well have been at a much higher level, such as store
purchasing management. It's hard to move so many pieces of merchandise
without a proper sales venue.
mike
dxAce
m II wrote:
> Radioguy wrote:
>
> > When prices are too good to be true they usually are.
>
> I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
I was just wondering the same thing. Do the purchasing folks check things out?
Or, are the fakes pretty good and it takes some tech folks to go over every damn
item?
Kickbacks to the purchasing folks?
Radioguy
Look at the stores selling most of the knockoff stuff. It isn't Home
Depot or your local hardware store selling faked Square D circuit
breakers. It's some no-name website. Same thing with the bad
toothpaste.
RHF
Some might call it China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©
Recently had an 'issue with one of those Magic Bullet Blender
that we bought about two years ago on Amazon.Com.
We call the 800# and once the Manufacture got the Model
Number and some other 'info' off the Power-Head Motor :
We were told that it was a Counterfeit Item most likely
'made-in-china' that was mainly made of a poorer quality
and thinner plastic.
-fwiw- One of the Plastic Top-Containers had broken pieces
of plastic after several uses.
China needs to get it's act together and stop the China-Crap©
-aka- China-Feit© Products
Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke
-meaning- Made-in-China : Danger It Kills !
.
Radioguy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Isn't that one of those kit blenders - 70 pieces of stuff for
$50.00 ? Next time just buy a good brand name blender.
RHF
Mike - D'Oh !
The same people who have the money to produce so-called
China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©
Also have the Money to 'produce' Counterfeit Documents
to 'pass-them-off' as the Real Thing.
The Aircraft Industry has an on-going problem with very well
Documented Counterfeit Aircraft Parts; much of which sells
for only 10%~15% below the OEM Parts. Or Scrap Parts
that are Cleaned-Up and Sold as New or Re-Manufactured.
Look at the Brand Name Stuff like CDs, DVDs and Clothing
all with their special Tags and Lazer Decals that are often
more Bogas Goods.
The Phony Document Business is a Big Business itself.
Many of the China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©
are made in the same factorys as the real deal but are
knock-offs; production-over-runs; or rejected products;
that are distributed and sold through third parties.
Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke
-meaning- Made-in-China : Danger It Kills !
~ RHF
.
RHF
Provide a few legal samples and the rest is Counterfeit
China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©
cuh...@webtv.net
Pennys worth of difference.
cuhulin
RHF
> > cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>I remember when Nixon (a democrap) was standing on the great wall of
> >>China, I remember seeing that it on tv news wayyyy back when.Nixon
> >>opened up China to America.
> >>cuhulin
- Republican.
Nixon was a Moderate Progressive Republican who
supported Business with Conservative Fiscal Policy
RMN favored Balanced Budgets and Moderate Tax
Levels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt
* Nixonian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixonian
* Rockefeller Republicans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Republican
* Today Nixon would most likely be considered a
"Republican In Name Only" -aka- RINO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_In_Name_Only
- Won in 1968 against Hubert H. Humphrey
Anti-LBJ Vote.
+ The George Wallace Factor and having a 3RD Party
to splite-the-vote American Independent Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1968
- Won in 1972 against George McGovern
anti-Anti-War Vote and the fact that McGovern became known
as the candidate of : Amnesty, Aortion and Aid.
* Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick Incident
* George Wallace Shot {Assassination} and Paralyzed
* Ed Muskie and the Canuck Letter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1972
- Retired in shame in August 1974 during impeachment
- proceedings due to the Watergate breakin scandal.
BAD - D'Oh ! Retired ? - rotfl ~ RHF
.
The Correct Words -are- Nixon RESIGNED in DISGRACE [.]
http://www.google.com/search?q=Nixon+Resigned+Disgrace
-note- Nixon Abdicated his Office with Benefits
.
Nixon and Watergate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon#Watergate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Scandal
.
Nixon received a Full and Un-Conditional Pardon for
any Crimes he may have Committed while President.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Scandal#Pardon_and_controversy
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/198308/hersh-ford/2
.
Telamon
dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
In my business suppliers are audited. People in my company actually go
the supplier and audit them. The purchasing people can then only buy
from companies on the approved buyer list. The suppliers that buy raw
materials from other suppliers are required to do the same. Through
these procedures an audit trail from where the metal ore is dug out of
the ground or plastic is manufactured to the finished product is
created. The materials that go into our product are audited, inspected
and tested as necessary to assure conformance to specifications.
If something managed to get through all the auditing, inspecting, and
testing the lots of materials are source documented with dates and
serial numbers so there is traceability and the product in the field can
be recalled and scraped or reworked.
That's how it is done.
A safety product like circuit breakers should be serialized and dated
with materials and processes documented. Then the serial numbers of
problem units could be published and people could just look then up to
determine if the breaker needs to be replaced or is a counterfeit.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
dxAce
Telamon wrote:
> In article <484010CC...@milestones.com>,
> dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
>
> > m II wrote:
> >
> > > Radioguy wrote:
> > >
> > > > When prices are too good to be true they usually are.
> > >
> > > I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
> >
> > I was just wondering the same thing. Do the purchasing folks check
> > things out? Or, are the fakes pretty good and it takes some tech
> > folks to go over every damn item?
> >
> > Kickbacks to the purchasing folks?
>
> In my business suppliers are audited. People in my company actually go
> the supplier and audit them. The purchasing people can then only buy
> from companies on the approved buyer list. The suppliers that buy raw
> materials from other suppliers are required to do the same. Through
> these procedures an audit trail from where the metal ore is dug out of
> the ground or plastic is manufactured to the finished product is
> created. The materials that go into our product are audited, inspected
> and tested as necessary to assure conformance to specifications.
>
> If something managed to get through all the auditing, inspecting, and
> testing the lots of materials are source documented with dates and
> serial numbers so there is traceability and the product in the field can
> be recalled and scraped or reworked.
My breaker/fuse box was manufactured by Colt's Patent Fire Arms Mfg. Co,
Hartford Conn!
RHF
>
> - Show quoted text -
but... it's Magic ! ;-}
.
Wal*Mart Land where all aisles lead to Made-in-China
.
Telamon
<d10bc7f2-4f36-4407...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
RHF the news group retard wrote:
< SNIP >
> but... it's Magic ! ;-}
Since you don't understand much about anything it must be magic to you.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Dave
Dave
>
> My breaker/fuse box was manufactured by Colt's Patent Fire Arms Mfg. Co,
> Hartford Conn!
>
Fuse box?
RHF
> m II wrote:
> > Radioguy wrote:
>
> >> When prices are too good to be true they usually are.
>
> > I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
> > Somehow, I don't think the counterfeiters were selling them out of the
> > trunks of their cars.
>
> > The greed may well have been at a much higher level, such as store
> > purchasing management. It's hard to move so many pieces of merchandise
> > without a proper sales venue.
>
> > mike
- The Department of Defense uses counterfeit Cisco routers.
and you know this how . . .
Billy Smith
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-4...@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
Thats what working in government civil service does to people
Dave
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
<RJ>
"MADE IN USA"
is becoming a collectors item.
--
<rj>
D Peter Maus
> And....
>
> "MADE IN USA"
>
> is becoming a collectors item.
>
Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
and Mitsubishi.
Billy Burpelson
> <RJ> wrote:
>> And....
>>
>> "MADE IN USA"
>>
>> is becoming a collectors item.
D Peter Maus wrote:
> Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
> and Mitsubishi.
Not quite right, DP. The products you mention above are mostly ASSEMBLED
in America. Typically, the higher tech, higher 'cost of assembly' items
(engines, trannies) are made in their home country.
Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.
* From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
sop: a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture
D Peter Maus
So, the billions spent by Hyundai, alone, to build in
Tennessee...that's just a bribe. The millions in payroll...that's just a
bribe?
Nonsense.
The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and
the wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in
this country is just good, cost effective business.
They build here because it's less costly to build here.
In the case of the Germans, because they can actually build for far
less than they can in their own country. And without as many rules and
restrictions on employment. Again, less cost. Consistent quality.
As for the parts source...imported parts for products built on
American soil is nothing new. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been importing
components for decades. And they're not alone. There are more Japanese
parts on a Harley-Davidson than there are on a GoldWing. There are
models of Honda automobiles that have never been built anywhere but
Ohio, and exported back to Japan for sale.
And don't be so quick to assume that all components come from
oversees. Hyundai does a huge amount of the machine work for it's
products in the US. So does Honda. Even Toyota outsources much of it's
component stock from the US.
Isuzu even has one of it's vehicles built by GM.
But if you're considering parts source....GT microphones are
assembled at a GT built and owned plant in China. The capsules and
components are however, hand made by GT right here in the US.
But the topic was "Made in the USA." And these companies DO build in
the USA.
"Made In The USA" is far from extinction.
Dave
>
> Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
> Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
> because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.
>
D Peter Maus
Billy Burpelson wrote:
>
> Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
> Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
> because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.
>
Hyundai built the largest, state-of-the-art automotive plant in the
world...in Tennessee. You don't do that if you're not serious about
staying here. You don't do something on that scale as a mere sop to the
gullible....
Daimler built not one, but TWO plants here.
As for profits....well, take the case of the German AKG. It's owned
by Harman International. That's Dr. Sydney Harman. You know, of
Harman-Kardon. They also own Soundcraft, a british console manufacturer.
Studer, the Swiss audio manufacturer.
We've all heard of Becker? You know, like the in-dash AM/FM/Shortwave
Mexico receiver? That Becker....a Harman company.
As are more than a dozen US companies, including JBL, Crown, dbx, and
Lexicon.
All the profits, no matter where the products are made, are managed
through a US company, Harman international.
Dave
RHF
>
> - Show quoted text -
DPM,
Many of those who cry for Made-in-the-USA and Jobs
for Americans are either 'silent' about or just plain Anti :
* Off-Shore Drilling in the USA
* Shale Oil Production in the USA
* New Cleaner American Oil Refineries
* All American 100% Natural Coal Powered
Clean Electrical Power Plants
RESULT - All of which would create Good Paying Blue
Collar Jobs and Businesses within the USA and They
Keep Our American Dollars circulating within the US
Economy creating even More Jobs for Americans.
Made-in-the-USA - Starts with American Energy Independence
yes - i said that ~ RHF
.
RHF
> Billy Burpelson wrote:
>
> > Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
> > Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
> > because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.
>
NO.
RHF
cuh...@webtv.net
There is a Nissan factory at the I-55 Gluckstadt (there is a kraut name
for ya, ratchere in Mee see see pee pee eye) exit, about 20 sompin miles
North of doggy's couch.Toyota is building a new factory in or near Elvis
the Pelvis old home town, Tupelo. www.southerncorridor.com
Bowling Green, Sewing Machine!
Sidney Portier and Tony Curtis in the old The Dieant Ones old movie.
cuhulin
Jim Haynes
>And....
>
>"MADE IN USA"
>
>is becoming a collectors item.
>
cuh...@webtv.net
(South is always Best)
PACCAR wants their name on diesel engines for Kenworth and Peterbilt and
DAF 18 wheeler trucks, so PACCAR is building a new PACCAR diesel engine
factory right now in Columbus,Mississippi, the Home of Memorial Day.
I want me one of those little Air Cars that runs on compressed
airable.Communist Fascist Nazi U.S.fed govt will not allow them to be
sold in America though.
cuhulin
...............................................
Bowling Greennn,,, Sewing Machine!
...............................................
dave
Billy Burpelson
>>> <RJ> wrote:
>>>> "MADE IN USA" is becoming a collectors item.
>> D Peter Maus wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
>>> and Mitsubishi.
Billy Burpelson wrote:
>> Not quite right, DP. The products you mention above are mostly
>> ASSEMBLED in America. Typically, the higher tech, higher 'cost of
>> assembly' items (engines, trannies) are made in their home country.
>>
>> Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
>> Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
>> because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.
>>
>> * From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
>>
>> sop: a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture
D Peter Maus wrote:
> So, the billions spent by Hyundai, alone, to build in
> Tennessee...that's just a bribe. The millions in payroll...that's just a
> bribe?
I would say more "gesture" -- at least that's how the first, early
plants started out, as gestures. And Hyundai is a special example --
trying to kick the Japanese butts and get a toe hold here.
> The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and the
> wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in this
> country is just good, cost effective business.
>
> They build here because it's less costly to build here.
HUH????
Do the *thousands* of businesses that have moved their manufacturing to
India/Haiti/Mexico/China do so because it's -less- costly here in the
USA? I don't think so. USA wages are ~ $15-$25/hour, usually with
benefits and environmental laws, while China/India are ~ $0.50- $1/hour
with -no- benefits and virtually no environmental laws...and you say
it's -less costly- to manufacture in the USA? Pardon me for not
believing that.
> But the topic was "Made in the USA." And these companies DO build in
> the USA.
But with the profits NOT going to the USA.
> "Made In The USA" is far from extinction.
To shift away from the automotive world for a moment, consider Wal-Mart,
a 'general purpose' retailer, selling all kinds of merchandise,
everything from A to Z, a -broad- spectrum of consumer products. Even 2
or 3 years ago, it was widely acknowledged that 85 (that's
EIGHTY-FIVE!) percent of the merchandise on their shelves was "Made in
China", not the USA. Quite odd if it's less costly to build here, don't
you think?
While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
*MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
try to be understanding if they don't believe you.
"Made In The USA" may not be quite extinct, but it's fading very, very fast.
"Outsourcing is GOOD for this country" -- George W. Bush, addressing
the nation.
D Peter Maus
>
>
> While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
> have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
> *MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
> and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
> try to be understanding if they don't believe you.
Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they, conveniently
ignore.
Address that, and we may have a discussion.
Have a good day, Billy.
Billy Burpelson
> Billy Burpelson wrote:
>> While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
>> have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
>> *MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
>> and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
>> try to be understanding if they don't believe you.
D Peter Maus wrote:
> Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they, conveniently
> ignore.
"They" who?
> Address that, and we may have a discussion.
Oh, you did explain that? Sorry, my apologies for having missed it. If
you care to re-post it, we may indeed be able to have a discussion.
D Peter Maus
It's still up. Go back and re read it.
RHF
> > Billy Burpelson wrote:
> >> While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
> >> have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
> >> *MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
> >> and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
> >> try to be understanding if they don't believe you.
> D Peter Maus wrote:
> > Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they, conveniently
> > ignore.
>
> "They" who?
- - Address that, and we may have a discussion.
- Oh, you did explain that?
- Sorry, my apologies for having missed it.
- If you care to re-post it,
- we may indeed be able to have a discussion.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf968b6d8058d6a2
.
Billy Burpelson
D Peter Maus wrote:
> It's still up. Go back and re read it.
I'm not sure if this is the "it" you are referring to, as it was posted
by RHF; too bad that as a courtesy, you couldn't have re-posted it
directly, rather than waltzing around (twice yet!), let a third party
respond and -still- not spell out the specific message you were
referring to.
Here is a snippet from your message that Roy posted.
> The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and
> the wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in
> this country is just good, cost effective business.
>
> They build here because it's less costly to build here.
-IF- this is the message of yours that you are referring to, I see
nothing in it that would explain why it is cheaper here in the USA. If
it it a different message, PLEASE post it rather than depending on a
third party or continuing to waltz around.
I don't think tax moratoriums or Union concessions are enough to offset
the foreign low wages, lack of pensions and medical benefits and lack of
environmental control laws. More importantly, it's not what -I- think,
but rather the *thousands* of manufactures that have already gone
overseas. Are you implying their accountants don't have a very sharp pencil?
Also, I would like to hear from you who "they" is.
D Peter Maus
If you're really interested in my point, you can read it yourself.
Having only two fingers on each hand that work, I'm not going to retype
it all again. You can go back in the thread and reread it. I've
addressed each of your issues.
But, it's clear from this....
>
> I don't think tax moratoriums or Union concessions are enough to offset
> the foreign low wages, lack of pensions and medical benefits and lack of
> environmental control laws. More importantly, it's not what -I- think,
> but rather the *thousands* of manufactures that have already gone
> overseas. Are you implying their accountants don't have a very sharp
> pencil?
>
> Also, I would like to hear from you who "they" is.
...that you're really not interested in the point, because you've
avoided it entirely....
Like I said, when you're ready to actually address, I'll be glad to
discuss the issues with you. But if you're not...there is no point.
Let me know when you're ready.
Billy Burpelson
D Peter Maus wrote:
> If you're really interested in my point, you can read it yourself.
> Having only two fingers on each hand that work, I'm not going to
> retype it all again. You can go back in the thread and reread it.
Yes, I am interested in your point and I'm -trying- to read it; however,
this is the THIRD time you've dodged and waltzed around and not
specifically pointed out your message in question. And as to typing with
2 fingers???? Please, where did I ask you to re-type anything, much less
the entire post? Can you do cut and paste? Even just a snippet to
identify the post? You didn't even give a simple "yes or no" to say if
Roy quoted the appropriate post of yours. Two fingers or not, how hard
can it be to type 'yes' or 'no'?
> I've addressed each of your issues.
I don't think so. Unless I've not actually received your mysterious
message, I don't remember you addressing the salary, benefits or
environmental issues nor explaining why thousands have gone overseas.
(odd, if it's cheaper here as you contend).
> But, it's clear from this....
>>
>> I don't think tax moratoriums or Union concessions are enough to
>> offset the foreign low wages, lack of pensions and medical benefits
>> and lack of environmental control laws. More importantly, it's not
>> what -I- think, but rather the *thousands* of manufactures that
>> have already gone overseas. Are you implying their accountants
>> don't have a very sharp pencil?
>>
>> Also, I would like to hear from you who "they" is.
>
>
> ...that you're really not interested in the point, because you've
> avoided it entirely....
HUH????
*I've* avoided what "entirely" ? Your sure didn't let your
'two-fingered' typing excuse hold you back from typing three different
dodges. After your three dodges, I sincerely believe you are the one
doing the avoiding.
> Like I said, when you're ready to actually address, I'll be glad to
> discuss the issues with you.
I think you aren't being quite truthful. You seem to have done your best
to dodge and spin three different times without even doing me the
courtesy of referencing (or cutting/pasting) your article in question.
Therefore, I will close my participation in this thread. You believe it
is cheaper to manufacture here and I (and *thousands* of manufactures)
believe it is cheaper overseas. I would respectfully suggest that we
agree to disagree.
Regards,
Billy
D Peter Maus
>
> Therefore, I will close my participation in this thread. You believe it
> is cheaper to manufacture here and I (and *thousands* of manufactures)
> believe it is cheaper overseas
Actually, Billy, if you'd read what I posted, you'd see that I didn't
say that.
What I did say, was that of the foreign auto manufacturers building
here, they do it because it's cheaper for them to build here than in
their own country. And easier. Fewer regulations, and much less
government interference in hiring and firing of workforce personnel.
It doesn't mean that there aren't US companies building overseas.
That's never been in dispute. But the assertion that US manufacturing is
finished is simply nonsense.
Go back and read the orignal post for the rest. I addressed all your
points.
You have yet to so much as acknowledge mine. And I'm not inclined to
repeat myself when what's been said is in print for easy perusal.
RHF
- "Made In The USA" is far from extinction.
DPM - That Is Not Only True : It Is A Fact [.] ~ RHF
One-Ninth of All U.S. Production Is For Export {Being Exported}
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=108&subsecID=900003&contentID=254596
Goods & Services Exports as Percent of U.S. GDP.
NOTE - Goods and Services Exports 'includes' Manufacturing Exports.
BASELINE : 1957 = 5.2% of GDP
Best Year Ever : 2007 = 11.7% of GDP
The Figure is a Modern-Era Record, Eclipsing
the old 11.2 Percent Mark set in 2000 and
Reflecting a $175 Billion jump in Goods and
Services Exports.
FWIW - Exports Accounted for a Third* of last Year's
2.2 Percent GDP Growth in the US Economy.
* The 1/9th added 1/3rd : Had a 3X Factor in the GDP.
-source- Progressive Policy Institute (PPI) On-Line
http://www.ppionline.org/
.
cuh...@webtv.net
''broke'' as Mississippi used to be.When auto factories up North went
broke and or closed down, there were/are the rust belts.I once read
somewhere auto factories last about thirty years.Someday there will be a
rust belt in Mississippi.Mississippi is or used to be mostly
Agricultural, rust belts/closeing down of factories up North didn't
hardly affect Mississippi at all.
Give me Agriculture any time!
cuhulin
RHF
-
- More and more industry is moving into Mississippi.
- Mississippi is not as ''broke'' as Mississippi used to be.
- When auto factories up North went broke and or closed
- down, there were/are the rust belts.
- I once read somewhere auto factories last about thirty years.
- Someday there will be a rust belt in Mississippi.
- Mississippi is or used to be mostly Agricultural,
- rust belts/closeing down of factories up North
- didn't hardly affect Mississippi at all.
-
- Give me Agriculture any time!
- cuhulin
Cuhulin,
For All of Mankinds Known Existance Agriculture has been
the mainstay of human industry {work} it is only in the last
200+ Years of the Industrial Age that Manufacturing has
occupied such a large portion of Mankind's Labor Effort.
Demographics | Ag 101 | Agriculture | US EPA
http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/ag101/demographics.html
Presently less than 1% of Americans 'claim' Farming as
an Occupation; and about 2% actually Live on Farms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_the_United_States
-imho- These Numbers should be at least 5% to insure
a 'strategic' reserve of Farms and Farmers for American
Agriculture Independence and the Security of Our Food
Supplies and Our Food Supply-Line.
NOTE - After the US Civil War in the 1870s about Half
(50%) of the US Population was Employed in Agriculture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_the_United_States#Employment
Now in the 21st Century (2000s) less than a Million
US Workers are Employed Agriculture out of ~150 Million
which is >0.7% of the Total.
RESULT : Too Few Producers and Too Many Consumers.
Sad-Fact-But-True : There are more Criminals Locked-Up
in Prisons in the USA than there are Farmers.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_the_US_population_are_farmers
A History of American Agriculture : Farmers and the Land
http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/farmers_land.htm
Good Out-Line Time Line from the 17th to the 21st Centuries.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/US.htm
American Agriculture : Its Changing Significance
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/oecon/chap8.htm
it nice to 'feel' the good earth beneath my feet
and the smell of fresh soil after a rain ~ RHF
.
dxAce
RHF wrote:
Humanity would be better served if 'Eduardo' were to take his shtick to the
fields and began picking lettuce.
cuh...@webtv.net
TCM channel.
On Tuesday morning of this week, my sister took me down town.I was
suppose to have been finished up with hauling off all of the junk in my
back yard and tearing down my big old rotten shed in my back yard by
June 3,2008.But over forty years of collecting junk, just not enough
time.The city has allowed me two more months to get my s.it together.
www.devilfinder.com Mississippi in World War Two
Farmers going to War.
cuhulin
m II
> Humanity would be better served if 'Eduardo' were to take his shtick to the
> fields and began picking lettuce.
More with and wisdom from the drunkard racist cretin Lare:
=================================================
Humanity would be better served if 'Eduardo' were to take his shtick
to the fields and began picking lettuce.
I said it before, and I say it again... Vicente Fox
is a stinking piece of Mexican shit.
Stuff a taco in it, Ramon!
They are mere asswipes, suitable for flushing.
After eating the taco's wouldn't they be capable of gassing themelves?
It is then my patriotic friend, you must reach in the closet,
place your hands upon the weapon, and blow the cock sucking,
bean blower back into Mary's arms....
Get over it, you fake Hispanic piece of excrement.
=============================================
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Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter
blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups.
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
Telamon
> dxAce wrote:
>
> > Humanity would be better served if 'Eduardo' were to take his shtick to the
> > fields and began picking lettuce.
>
>
> More with and wisdom from the drunkard racist cretin Lare:
> =================================================
> Humanity would be better served if 'Eduardo' were to take his shtick
> to the fields and began picking lettuce.
< SNIP >
Picking lettuce is racist now?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
wrote:
> In article <GWk2k.65$L03.40@edtnps92>, m II <c...@in.the.hat> wrote:
> > dxAce wrote:
>
> > > Humanity would be better served if 'Eduardo' were to take his shtick to the
> > > fields and began picking lettuce.
>
> > More with and wisdom from the drunkard racist cretin Lare:
> > =================================================
- - take his shtick to the fields and began picking lettuce.
-
- < SNIP >
-
- Picking lettuce is racist now?
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
The Questions Becomes :
Is it the Lettuce 'pickers' : Who are the Racists ?
The Lettuce 'growers' : Who are the Racists ?
-or- The End Produce Lettuce 'consumers' :
Who are 'supporting Racism ?
-and- Was the Lettuce UFW Union Lettuce ?
let us pray for this lettuce we are about to receive
on our radios - amen ~ RHF
.
cuh...@webtv.net
those PETA freaks) were at the Shell gas station at the intersection of
Highway 80 and Ellis Ave here in Jackson.They were giving away two free
gallons of gas per customer.That Shell gas station where those Lettuce
Leaves freaks were is two miles East behind doggy's couch.I don't want
any free gas or anything else from those Lettuce Leaves freaks and those
PETA freaks.
www.devilfinder.com Lettuce Leaves in Jackson Mississippi
cuhulin
RHF
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> DPM,
>
> Many of those who cry for Made-in-the-USA and Jobs
> for Americans are either 'silent' about or just plain Anti :
> * Off-Shore Drilling in the USA
> * Shale Oil Production in the USA
> * New Cleaner American Oil Refineries
> * All American 100% Natural Coal Powered
> Clean Electrical Power Plants
> RESULT - All of which would create Good Paying Blue
> Collar Jobs and Businesses within the USA and They
> Keep Our American Dollars circulating within the US
> Economy creating even More Jobs for Americans.
>
> Made-in-the-USA - Starts with AmericanEnergyIndependence
>
> yes - i said that ~RHF
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>
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Crude Oil Prices Drive up Cost of U.S. Addiction
http://zfacts.com/p/196.html
Oil Price History and Analysis (Updating)
http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm
http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif
Some Interesting Oil Industry Statistics
http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html
Safe, Strong and Secure: Reducing America's Oil Dependence
http://www.nrdc.org/air/transportation/aoilpolicy2.asp