NOW THEY WANT TO SCREW UP OUR 60 CYCLE LINE FREQUENCY
minoberry at dot
the US (while most of the world now points at us and laughs, by the way)
and chomping at the bit to foul up our radio broadcasting system, their
passion
for choking our systems hasn't ended. Their dumbass plan to change, of all
things,
our light bulbs proves they're stopping at nothing to mess with us and our
lives.
Now these jerkwads want to keep us off balance by making the 60 cycle line
frequency
unreliable. Clocks, traffic lights....anything using a synchronous phase
won't work.
Why do these assholes hate us so damned much?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2015419971_powerclock25.html
Brenda Ann
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Clocks be damned.. if the idiots just let the line frequency free run, it
will mess up the entire grid. You'll have places where the grid
interconnects that will have wild voltage fluctuations due to phasing issues
(a mere 180 degree phase shift would cause a major problem, since the the
two feeds would cancel each other out completely. I guess the "engineers"
have forgotten about the reason that our 60 hertz line frequency has been so
exact over such a long time. It HAS to be to make an intertied grid
function.
D. Peter Maus
This his what happens when politicians replace people who
actually know things.
For additional reference: FCC.
cuh...@webtv.net
Boo Hoo, y'all don't read my postys.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
WHO makes up those 'words'?
cuhulin
m II
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cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
> intertied? I never heard of intertied before just now.
> WHO makes up those 'words'?
It's like when you had your tubes 'tied'.
Intertied is the same thing, but for gender confused individuals, eg.
anyone living in a State that has 'Missy' in it's name.
mike
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cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
"m II" wrote in message news:4e0b...@news.x-privat.org...
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cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
> intertied? I never heard of intertied before just now.
> WHO makes up those 'words'?
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It's understandable that the average person would not recognize the word,
but I can't think of a more common word to us. It's power transmission
terminology for the interfaces between power distribution systems on the
"grid", which has hundreds of power generator stations all over the country
(plus Canada and Mexico) that must all be properly synchronized in order to
all be online simultaneously.
"Wikipedia Meaning and Definition on 'Intertie'
Electric power transmission or "high voltage electric transmission" is the
bulk transfer of electrical energy, from generating power plants to
substations located near to population centers. This is distinct from the
local wiring between high voltage substations and customers, which is
typically referred to as electricity distribution. Transmission lines, when
interconnected with each other, become high voltage transmission networks.
In the US, these are typically referred to as "power grids" or just "the
grid", while in the UK the network is known as the "national grid." North
America has three major grids: The Western Interconnection; The Eastern
Interconnection and the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (or ERCOT)
grid.
Historically, transmission and distribution lines were owned by the same
company, but over the last decade or so many countries have liberalized the
electricity market in ways that have led to the separation of the
electricity transmission business from the distribution business."
John Harbl
> "Wikipedia..."
I lol'd.
- J.
Brenda Ann
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> "Wikipedia..."
I lol'd.
- J.
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Perhaps you prefer this from Merriam-Webster:
in·ter·tie noun \ˈin-tər-ˌtī\
Definition of INTERTIE
: an interconnection permitting passage of current between two or more
electric utility systems
First Known Use of INTERTIE
1951
m II
Hash: SHA1
Brenda Ann wrote:
> Historically, transmission and distribution lines were owned by the
> same company, but over the last decade or so many countries have
> liberalized the electricity market in ways that have led to the
> separation of the electricity transmission business from the
> distribution business."
>
I think you meant to say generation and distribution businesses...
they've added a third business to the mix. The billing/invoicing is, at
least here, is done by a third company.
the generation company first sold the distribution rights, but kept on
making the same money as previously. The distribution people added
their costs and profits to to the bill and passed it on to you.
a few years later, the distribution company sold off their billing
department. Those people added their costs and profits to the billing
and passed new amount on to you.
the electrical bill we pay here now contain the costs and profits of
three companies. Some months, the surcharges are greater than the
consumption costs. Eight cents a KW hour seems like a bargain, but it
comes out to 17 cents a KW after the surcharges.
as in the oil racket, the politicians are owned by these people.
mike
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John Smith
> ...
> Perhaps you prefer this from Merriam-Webster:
>
> in·ter·tie noun \ˈin-tər-ˌtī\
> Definition of INTERTIE
> : an interconnection permitting passage of current between two or more
> electric utility systems
> First Known Use of INTERTIE
> 1951
Morons, such as him, I just love to watch them attempt to interact with
others, in a meaningful way(s.) I mean, it never works out, but you die
laughing at watching them ...
I find wiki great, with it was around when I was a kid. I had to spend
hours reading encyclopedias ... I have quite a fondness for wikileads, also.
--
Regards,
JS
DURING TIMES OF UNIVERSAL DECEIT, TELLING THE TRUTH BECOMES A
REVOLUTIONARY ACT.- George Orwell
John Smith
>
>
Morons, such as him, I just love to watch them attempt to interact with
others, in (a) meaningful way(s.) I mean, it never works out, but you
die laughing at watching them ...
I find wiki great, I wish it was around when I was a kid. I had to
spend hours reading encyclopedias ... I have quite a fondness for
wikileaks, also.
I often wonder, do others realize most of the data on wikileaks is on
foreign servers and is available to THE WHOLE WORLD?
I mean, it pretty much tells you what is going on when they have to
block the people they are working for from knowing what they are doing,
while the rest of the world already knows! ROFLOL
Brenda Ann
"m II" wrote in message news:4e0b...@news.x-privat.org...
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Brenda Ann wrote:
> Historically, transmission and distribution lines were owned by the
> same company, but over the last decade or so many countries have
> liberalized the electricity market in ways that have led to the
> separation of the electricity transmission business from the
> distribution business."
>
I think you meant to say generation and distribution businesses...
they've added a third business to the mix. The billing/invoicing is, at
least here, is done by a third company.
the generation company first sold the distribution rights, but kept on
making the same money as previously. The distribution people added
their costs and profits to to the bill and passed it on to you.
a few years later, the distribution company sold off their billing
department. Those people added their costs and profits to the billing
and passed new amount on to you.
the electrical bill we pay here now contain the costs and profits of
three companies. Some months, the surcharges are greater than the
consumption costs. Eight cents a KW hour seems like a bargain, but it
comes out to 17 cents a KW after the surcharges.
as in the oil racket, the politicians are owned by these people.
mike
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Wasn't me saying it... notice it was in quotes, and attributed to Wikipedia.
I remember back in the bad old days, we paid 3.2 cents per kWh (of course,
we complained.... :) ) in Oregon. This was because we bought directly from
the Bonneville Power Administration, as they own (or at least owned) all the
hydropower generators in the state.
cuh...@webtv.net
1951.Bit, I was born in 1941, I reckon I don't keep up with such
terminology.
cuhulin
dave
By "they" you mean giant utility companies, right?
dave
dave
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
John Smith
> Yankees call their kids, kidlets.What kind of a name is that?
> cuhulin
>
I call obama a piglet, but then, george w. was a little piglet also ...
dave
> cuhulin
>
Indeed.
cuh...@webtv.net
of valve) with T-Mobile
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=309831
Bats Bat!
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
"dave" wrote in message
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Actually, it's more of a term of endearment for toddlers/preschoolers, to
differentiate them from school age children/tweens/teens (remember when a
kid was a kid, and that until age 21?).
cuh...@webtv.net
It is a slang term/word.
That's enough of the sissy kid stuff.
cuhulin
arthr...@webtv.net
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Politicians are very similar to cattle. They are bought and sold .
Nothing new .
John Smith
> ...
> Politicians are very similar to cattle. They are bought and sold .
> Nothing new .
That may still be true.
However, now-a-days, I find them to be closer to criminals and sex
offenders ...
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
they Can't do Sheet!
cuhulin
minoberry at dot
the cattle rings they've put in our noses.
"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
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cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.drudgereport.com
But, how about Zumbrota?
Minnesohhhta,,,, Minnesohhhhhhhhta,,,
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
in and said he has three cemetary plots for sale.JT said, I would ask
him what kind of a view they have, but I guess that doesn't matter.
http://www.supertalk.fm
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message news:iug2d1$frg$1...@dont-email.me...
On 6/29/11 15:34 , Brenda Ann wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Clocks be damned.. if the idiots just let the line frequency free
> run, it will mess up the entire grid. You'll have places where the
> grid interconnects that will have wild voltage fluctuations due to
> phasing issues (a mere 180 degree phase shift would cause a major
> problem, since the the two feeds would cancel each other out
> completely. I guess the "engineers" have forgotten about the reason
> that our 60 hertz line frequency has been so exact over such a long
> time. It HAS to be to make an intertied grid function.
>
>
This his what happens when politicians replace people who
actually know things.
For additional reference: FCC.
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Anyone want to know what will happen to clocks if/when they quit trying to
sync the grid?? Plug your digital clock into your UPS, and see how much
time it gains or loses in just a few minutes... on one of my UPS's our alarm
clock gains upwards of 4 minutes per hour.
arthr...@webtv.net
wrote:
> "D. Peter Maus" wrote in messagenews:iug2d1$frg$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> On 6/29/11 15:34 , Brenda Ann wrote:
>
>
>
> > Clocks be damned.. if the idiots just let the line frequency free
> > run, it will mess up the entire grid. You'll have places where the
> > grid interconnects that will have wild voltage fluctuations due to
> > phasing issues (a mere 180 degree phase shift would cause a major
> > problem, since the the two feeds would cancel each other out
> > completely. I guess the "engineers" have forgotten about the reason
> > that our 60 hertz line frequency has been so exact over such a long
> > time. It HAS to be to make an intertied grid function.
>
> This his what happens when politicians replace people who
> actually know things.
>
> For additional reference: FCC.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Anyone want to know what will happen to clocks if/when they quit trying to
> sync the grid?? Plug your digital clock into your UPS, and see how much
> time it gains or loses in just a few minutes... on one of my UPS's our alarm
> clock gains upwards of 4 minutes per hour.
A whole 96 minutes per 24 hours is totally unacceptable . Period .
cuh...@webtv.net
that.
cuhulin
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I'm in total agreement. However, your basic computer UPS is not a precision
instrument. They don't hold to 60 Hz, and don't even have sine wave output,
so they do funny things to clocks that get their timing pulses from the
line. It's just that they make a good example of what CAN happen when the
power grid is no longer properly regulated.
John Smith
I checked the clocks in my house. Only one clock runs off the power
line, it has an internal quartz osc which keeps the time. Its' date of
manufacture is 1992. The rest of my clocks are all battery clocks, they
all have internal quartz osc. The clock in my computer uses an internal
quartz time base. The clock in my HF rig uses a quartz time base.
Obviously, the clocks in battery capable SW radios have quartz time bases.
This is a non-issue for me. I think you all should check before you
jump to the conclusion this is going to be a problem for you.
Synchronous electric clocks are a thing of the past. I suspect if you
can find them today, they would be the cheapest made, if they are even
made anymore!
Chulu might have a problem with the draws full of old salvation army and
goodwill clocks, I am sure he has.
But, for the rest of us, this might just be another replay of the
non-issue of the 2000 computer date farce ... it really wasn't a
hardware problem then ... a simple software fix took care of all
problems ...
Regards,
JS
Brenda Ann
"John Smith" wrote in message news:iumac3$30a$1...@dont-email.me...
This is a non-issue for me. I think you all should check before you
jump to the conclusion this is going to be a problem for you.
Synchronous electric clocks are a thing of the past. I suspect if you
can find them today, they would be the cheapest made, if they are even
made anymore!
Chulu might have a problem with the draws full of old salvation army and
goodwill clocks, I am sure he has.
But, for the rest of us, this might just be another replay of the
non-issue of the 2000 computer date farce ... it really wasn't a
hardware problem then ... a simple software fix took care of all
problems ...
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Perhaps... but those 'quartz' clocks are also notorious for keeping lousy
time. The one on the wall above our TV picks up 2 minutes a month, the one
in our Chevy Tracker radio loses about a minute every three weeks. The one
in our Ford Flex picks up about a minute a month. These may not sound too
bad for most, but I've had wind up Timex watches that kept better time.
Oh, that clock in your computer gets synched to an external server at least
once a day.
But, again.. the major problem wouldn't be with our measly toys, but with
making the entire grid function properly. Some of the interties are DC (for
long runs, it's got far less loss, even figuring in conversion losses
<AC-DC-AC>) , but where you have several power generating stations within a
fairly small geographical area, I think they stick with AC, because those
short runs are not so economical for conversion.
John Smith
> ...
> Perhaps... but those 'quartz' clocks are also notorious for keeping
> lousy time. The one on the wall above our TV picks up 2 minutes a month,
> the one in our Chevy Tracker radio loses about a minute every three
> weeks. The one in our Ford Flex picks up about a minute a month. These
> may not sound too bad for most, but I've had wind up Timex watches that
> kept better time. Oh, that clock in your computer gets synched to an
> external server at least once a day.
>
> But, again.. the major problem wouldn't be with our measly toys, but
> with making the entire grid function properly. Some of the interties are
> DC (for long runs, it's got far less loss, even figuring in conversion
> losses <AC-DC-AC>) , but where you have several power generating
> stations within a fairly small geographical area, I think they stick
> with AC, because those short runs are not so economical for conversion.
> ...
When I went to high school, I had a "night-watchman" job at a small
power generating and distribution yard on the Mokelume River in the
sierra foothills, on weekends, and only lasted about a year. I watched
a wall of gauges, and chased away other teenagers from the immediate
area of the station.
This is my whole experience with power generation/delivery, other than a
small 20 KW diesel generator I have for home emergencies.
But, I would imagine the engineers would have a way to either
inductively/capacitively lag/lead the wave to sync with another source.
If not, they'd better grab some new engineers.
But, still, the control will not be good enough to run exact
time-keeping systems. But then, we really do have better systems
now-a-days ... it will probably upset people with valued synchronous
electric clocks, and I can sympathize with them. But then, I resisted
the change from analog to digital broadcast TV, now I like it much
better ... but it sure "junked" a lot of peoples TVs!
Just sayin'.
Regards,
JS
J R
Alarm Big Ben clock.It keeps very Good time.
Minnesota is BROKE, California is BROKE, some other States are
BROKE.Missy Sippy (backwater hick Missy Sippy) has 62 Million Dollars in
Surplus Money.
Doggy, we have to watch Brother Orchid movie on the TCM channel right
now.
cuhulin
John Smith
Gesus, what out! Mississippi will be the next country obama invades!,
not realizing it is one of the "57 states."
ROFLOL!
Regards,
JS
J R
Those Smart Meters are RIPOFFS!
cuhulin
John Smith
Doubled my bill when they installed the new one ... PG&E, here in
California, shouldn't have to raise their rates for the next ten years,
if the same has happened to everyone else.
Regards,
JS
J R
that way as long as I live.
cuhulin
J R
IT!!!
http://www.rense.com/general94/grid.htm
I have an old needle gauge AC volts meter.I am going to plug it in a
wall outlet and keep an eye on it.
cuhulin
John Smith
J R, you will never notice a bit of difference, even with a freq counter
which is accurate to a gnats arse.
It will still be your normal voltage, it will still be your 60 Hz.
However, it WILL NOT, or MAY NOT be in phase with other power stations
on the grid/systems.
You would need a phase meter and a connection to the other power
station/source you wished to make comparison to ... really not practical
for most ...
Regards,
JS
RHF
- - On 7/2/2011 8:58 PM, J R wrote:
- - http://www.devilfinder.com/
- - find.php?q=The+Amazing+Truth+about+the+Sma...
- -
- - Those Smart Meters are RIPOFFS!
- - cuhulin
- Doubled my bill when they installed the new one ...
- PG&E, here in California, shouldn't have to raise
- their rates for the next ten years, if the same has
- happened to everyone else.
-
- Regards,
- JS
PG&E SmartMeter Errors {Problems}
NO FIX -so- Replace Them Now !
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-05-31/news/21651552_1_smartmeter-program-silver-spring-networks-pacific-gas
-and-
PG&E SmartMeter Over-Charges = Mega Bills !
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/PGE-SmartMeters-Overcharged-Thousands-93411559.html
.
PG&E SmartMeter Illness {EMF Radiation}
NO FIX -so- Replace Them Now !
http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=1223
-and-canada-too-
http://weepnews.blogspot.com/2010/09/stratfords-dangerous-meters-human.html
.
BAN the 'Sicko' SmartMeters !
http://www.bansmartmeters.com/blog/
-and-
http://stopsmartmeters.org/2010/12/15/smart-meter-protests-spread-as-pge-officials-implicated-in-spy-scandal/
.
.
John Smith
> ...
> PG&E SmartMeter Errors {Problems}
> NO FIX -so- Replace Them Now !
> http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-05-31/news/21651552_1_smartmeter-program-silver-spring-networks-pacific-gas
> -and-
> PG&E SmartMeter Over-Charges = Mega Bills !
> http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/PGE-SmartMeters-Overcharged-Thousands-93411559.html
> .
> PG&E SmartMeter Illness {EMF Radiation}
> NO FIX -so- Replace Them Now !
> http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=1223
> -and-canada-too-
> http://weepnews.blogspot.com/2010/09/stratfords-dangerous-meters-human.html
> .
> BAN the 'Sicko' SmartMeters !
> http://www.bansmartmeters.com/blog/
> -and-
> http://stopsmartmeters.org/2010/12/15/smart-meter-protests-spread-as-pge-officials-implicated-in-spy-scandal/
> .
> .
Having an acquaintance who works in the field of "remote billing" and
implements and creates software which implements the recording and
billing, he says the real problem is that for years, or even decades,
some old meters on homes and business have been "tampered with."
That people have been getting/using much more power than these
compromised meters are recording. And that, these new meters raise the
difficult of being able to do this by magnitudes (I don't know, I have
just walked back behind my house and looked at the meter, and attempted
to "see" the "data signal" on my powerline with an isolated oscilloscope.)
With his education level, back ground in the industry of
IT/computing-equipment/hardware/software, I tend to take his word for
it. Although he is paid well, he gets no immediate personal gain from
assisting the power companies in scams, that I know of ...
I simply don't find strong evidence of the meters accuracy being in
question ...
Regards,
JS
arthr...@webtv.net
> Anything and Everything they can Screw Up, they ARE HELL BOUND TO DO
>
> I have an old needle gauge AC volts meter.I am going to plug it in a
> wall outlet and keep an eye on it.
> cuhulin
But all it does is give a Voltage . Needs a freq. meter to measure the
AC alternations .
John Smith
Perhaps I am reading what was released incorrectly. I thought that what
"they" are saying is that each power station will be an accurate 60
cycle freq, but that individual plants may vary ... I will keep looking
for data to clarify this.
But, the simple matter of holding one plant at a rock solid 60 Hz looks
simple to me, to the point where it would never be anything but.
Now, the problem of holding the whole grid in sync, quite possibly from
coast to coast, is magnitudes more complex and demanding of equipment
and resources.
But, at this point, I am simply uncertain what is really being done.
Regards,
JS
J R
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com
I can see how messing with the Power Grid will Screw things up.
cuhulin
John Smith
Well, it still is kinda confusing, and for the reason(s) that author
points out, the AP document is saying different freq on the say grid,
for example, one might be 59.5 Hz, one 60.0 Hz and one 60.5 Hz, which
would be impossible, as vast amount of power would be shorted at points
on the cycles where the freqs were not in sync, meaning huge heat
developed in various components of the grid and the powerlines
themselves ... and as he states "impossible", at least appears so to me ...
So, to run different freqs you would have to section up the grid so no
two plants/sources could power/sink the other and create these losses
and heat ... which were not in phase with each other.
And, actually, is more complicated than that, but is about the extent of
my knowledge in the grid system, I know they have some tricks and exotic
equipment though ...
I suspect the problem is that the news personnel is not accurately
regurgitating the experts comments correctly ...
Like I say, I strongly think this is another y2k fear spree which will
pass without a whimper.
Regards,
JS
arthr...@webtv.net
Whatever they do with the 60Hz standard is NOT going to fly
unnoticed . Synchronized power grid has worked for many , many years
and many different machines (besides the alarm clocks) are dependent
upon a stable , reliable frequency source . If something works so well
-- then why would somebody want to mess it up ?
John Smith
> ...
> Whatever they do with the 60Hz standard is NOT going to fly
> unnoticed . Synchronized power grid has worked for many , many years
> and many different machines (besides the alarm clocks) are dependent
> upon a stable , reliable frequency source . If something works so well
> -- then why would somebody want to mess it up ?
Actually, timing clocks by the freq of the nations power source seems
like an idea whose time has come and gone, to me.
You computer could not function if it used the time source from the
powerlines, at least it would produce erroneous results, at best.
Holding all power plants in sync just for the purpose of clocks seems a
no go, especially if you can just adjust the frequency for phasing
plants together on the fly.
There is always wwv, the time component in GPS, phone, web, etc. which
provide better or at least equal accuracy.
But hey, like I say, I am no expert.
Do they even manufacture a clock which is dependent on the syncing
signal from the power line, any more?
The clock in my car has not been adjusted in over a year, it is still
within 1 minute of the clock in my laptop (probably dead on, actually)
... I suspect it stays in sync by using the GPS time component of the
equipment in the car ...
Regards,
JS
Mark Zenier
<arthr...@webtv.net> wrote:
>On Jul 17, 10:08 pm, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/17/2011 6:39 PM, J R wrote:
>>
>> > Power Grid Tampering Will End An Era.
>> >http://www.jimstonefreelance.com
>Whatever they do with the 60Hz standard is NOT going to fly
>unnoticed . Synchronized power grid has worked for many , many years
>and many different machines (besides the alarm clocks) are dependent
>upon a stable , reliable frequency source . If something works so well
>-- then why would somebody want to mess it up ?
Because the frequency shift comes from loading down the grid. And to keep
it stable, they fire up the peaking plants. These are gas turbines or
a big coal plant that they keep on standby. Either way, it's expensive.
This way they can skimp a little bit on that.
The World Radio TV Handbook had notes for each country that doesn't
have grid stable enough to run a clock. Welcome to the Third World.
Mark Zenier mze...@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)
dave
Can you point me to a reference? They've only had "peaker" plants since
the War. It seems if the turbines are slowed by a heavy load in the
daytime they could be sped up an equal amount during lower demand,
averaging 60 cycles per second over a period of a day
Mark Zenier
dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
>On 07/18/2011 11:35 AM, Mark Zenier wrote:
>> In article<9a7ee015-b3a1-458b...@q17g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
>> <arthr...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>> On Jul 17, 10:08 pm, John Smith<bit_buc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/17/2011 6:39 PM, J R wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Power Grid Tampering Will End An Era.
>>>>> http://www.jimstonefreelance.com
>> ...
>>> Whatever they do with the 60Hz standard is NOT going to fly
>>> unnoticed . Synchronized power grid has worked for many , many years
>>> and many different machines (besides the alarm clocks) are dependent
>>> upon a stable , reliable frequency source . If something works so well
>>> -- then why would somebody want to mess it up ?
>>
>> Because the frequency shift comes from loading down the grid. And to keep
>> it stable, they fire up the peaking plants. These are gas turbines or
>> a big coal plant that they keep on standby. Either way, it's expensive.
>> This way they can skimp a little bit on that.
>>
>> The World Radio TV Handbook had notes for each country that doesn't
>> have grid stable enough to run a clock. Welcome to the Third World.
>Can you point me to a reference? They've only had "peaker" plants since
>the War. It seems if the turbines are slowed by a heavy load in the
>daytime they could be sped up an equal amount during lower demand,
>averaging 60 cycles per second over a period of a day
The keyword is "could". In a fuel based power system, like on the East
Coast, they could also not bother and save some carloads of coal a day.
Since I marinate my brain in four or more radio/podcast science shows
each week, and a half a dozen magazines a month, I'm having some trouble
remembering where I got it. Possibly "Science Friday" on NPR, at they've
had a couple of shows on the grid and renewable power in the past couple
of years. Or something in "New Scientist".