(OT) Repealing the ban on the common light bulb
cuh...@webtv.net
Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
democraps and libturds!!!
Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
cuhulin
bpnjensen
I love my CFLs :-) You can have ALL of my old incandescent
electricity hogs.
sctvguy1
Old incandescent bulbs ARE better for reading. They give off a much better
light.
John Smith
Really, it is time to go LED ... if we ever need them, we can bring back
incandescent ...
Regards,
JS
amdx
"sctvguy1" <sctv...@invalid.net> wrote in message
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spectrums.
wife got some high temp lights for the kitchen, she loves them, I hate them,
especially in the morning.
MikeK
dave
> bpnjensen wrote:
> Old incandescent bulbs ARE better for reading. They give off a much better
> light.
They do? How so?
dave
LEDs don't seem very cost effective, and the energy usage seems
comparable to CFLs.
John Smith
> ...
> LEDs don't seem very cost effective, and the energy usage seems
> comparable to CFLs.
When LEDs come into mass production, to the extent of CFLs, that will
fix the cost effectiveness ... a good LED consumes 50% the power of a
CFL, or better ... this efficiency is not as advanced as it will be in
the future.
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
> Check a few more, different brands and models have different light
> spectrums.
> wife got some high temp lights for the kitchen, she loves them, I hate them,
> especially in the morning.
> MikeK
I favor the 6500K, or better, CFLs ... mine are GE, two in a pack, and
come from walmart.
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
This Cherish movie on the Encore channel right now is a right Good
movie.
cuhulin
RHF
I have had 20+ LED Lights for 120-VAC
with the Standard USA E27-Base.
Only 4~6 have lasted more than a Year
with out going blank or loosing half the
individual LEDs in the Bulbs.
Some of these LEDs cost in the $20~$30
IMHO - LEDs are still : Not Ready for Prime Time.
These Mushroom CFLs rated at 120 Watts Light
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/289159982/Mushroom_anion_CFL.jpg
Output {=Lumens} and use only 30 Watts of Power
are Good for Reading Lights {Daylight} and Shine
http://cgi.ebay.com/370294601763
Well in most places a 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb
was used before.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A0GFCG/
.
.
sctvguy1
A more mellow 'Yellowish' light rather than the harsh white. I still have a
couple of 60watt bulbs in a light just for that reason.
RHF
> John Smith wrote:
Rough 100 Watt Power Light Output Equivalents :
Old Incandescent Bulb Watts = 100 {Cost $1}
New CFL Bulb Watts = 26 : {Cost $4 ~ 4X}
INC to CFL 4:1
LED Bulb Claim Watts = 11 : {Cost $25 ~ 25X}
INC to LED 9:1
CFL to LED 2:1
IMHO - Currently The Best Bang For The Buck :
Is The CFL Bulb :
* Relative Initial Cost to Buy the 1st Bulb
* Longer Service Life and fewer Bulb Replacements
* * CFL Life = 13 INCs ~ 1-CFL = 1/3 of INC Total
* Fewer Watts Used per Hour/Month/Year/LC
Lower Energy Cost over it Total Life-Cycle
These Spiral {Mushroom} CFLs rated at
120 Watts Light Output {=Lumens} and use
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/289159982/Mushroom_anion_CFL.jpg
only 30 Watts of Power are Good for Reading
Lights {Daylight} and Shine Well in most places
http://cgi.ebay.com/370294601763
a 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb was used before.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A0GFCG/
In a Kitchen where they are switch On&Off many
times Daily and are "On" for 8~12 Hours Daily
these last about 3-Years before they don't
Light-Up anymore.
.
.
RHF
Take a Look at the new GE Reveal CFLs
GE 'Reveal' CFL Bulbs -promise- Clean, Beautiful Light
http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_lighting/products/reveal_cfl.htm
-but- they are NOT Daylight {Bright}
-and- they are NOT Full Spectrum {White}
-sort-of-like- the pale mellow yellow of old
Incandescent Bulbs
FWIW - GE Reveal CFLs sell for ~$10
for a pair at Wal*Mart
.
.
∅baMa∅ Tse Dung
So, we need to outlaw incandescents because you say so?
Would it not be wise to err on the side of free choice?
LIBERAL FASCISTS can't, won't stop with just incandescent bulbs...
Assistant Secretary of Energy Cathy [www.masterbationtoday.com] Zoi
said Thursday that the U.S. Department of Energy has a “mandate” to
issue regulations to determine what household appliances are available
to Americans in the future.
Speaking at the inaugural meeting of the recently reestablished
Secretary of Energy Advisory Board (SEAB), Zoi pointed to four tactics
the Obama administration intended use to advance the “deployment of
clean energy.” The first three were government subsidies for private-
sector green energy projects, special tax incentives for green energy
projects and low-interest government-backed loans for green energy
projects.
“The fourth one, which the secretary and I love,” said Zoi, “is where
we have a mandate. Where we can actually just issue regulations and do
market transformation.”
[...]
Before becoming President Barack Obama’s assistant secretary of energy
for energy efficiency and renewable energy, Zoi served as
environmental adviser to President Bill Clinton and the founding CEO
of former Vice President Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection.
Zoi said that stricter federal energy efficiency standards will “drive
innovation” and are “cost effective.”
“As the secretary [Chu] says, ‘We’re going to MAKE [by Liberal Fascist
force] people save money for themselves,’” Zoi said. “They haven’t
dumped the dollar bills on the ground yet.”
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75469
WTF!
dave
You can get any color temperature from orange to blue.
dave
bpnjensen
I'll buy that - I think LEDs will be ubiquitous in the future, and
will be able to serve almost every need.
bpnjensen
The prophet hath spaken...
bpnjensen
Are you always this psychotic, or just a really bad actor?
arthr...@webtv.net
Just make sure they are manufactured here and not in the Peoples
Republic. Last time I checked they still used a red banner. Guess some
people never had the 'privilege' of living under a complete
dictatoprship...
arthr...@webtv.net
There seems to be a surge in LED usage lately, mostly in cars and
traffic lights. I do like LEDs. They literally stay cool. But
expensive,for now.
Brenda Ann
"bpnjensen" <bpnj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I bought some LED spotlights for our back path. Run on three "D" cells, IR
activated by motion sensor. The first time I turned one on, it near blinded
me.. it throws a light path for well over 100'... Batteries are supposed to
last around 2 years.
arthr...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
His real name must be Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. Another escapee.
John Smith
> ...
> I'll buy that - I think LEDs will be ubiquitous in the future, and
> will be able to serve almost every need.
>
> I bought some LED spotlights for our back path. Run on three "D" cells, IR
> activated by motion sensor. The first time I turned one on, it near blinded
> me.. it throws a light path for well over 100'... Batteries are supposed to
> last around 2 years.
>
>
I have a series of 5 watt cree leds on a large aquarium. The plants
grow like crazy. 60 watts of leds seem noticeably brighter than the 160
watts of fluorescent they replaced ... the leds have already come down
in cost since I purchased mine over a year ago ... the focus of the leds
allow the light to used more efficiently, with the fluorescent, a lot of
light was lost out the sides and ends ...
Regards,
JS
bpnjensen
wrote:
> "bpnjensen" <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
My only concern with LEDs, and this is partly selfish, is that their
spectra are often very broadband and have strong spikes in the blue-
green region. For an amateur astronomer trying to avoid light
pollution, this presents some problems - astro objects often glow in
this region of the spectrum; human vision in the dark is best in this
region of the spectrum; and eyepiece filters used to control light
pollution usually pass wavelengths in this region of the spectrum.
Consequently, LEDs are in direct conflict with good views of deep-sky
objects, and the glow from these devices are nearly impossible to
overcome using filtration. This was not the case with most other
light devices, excepting things like brilliant blue halogen lamps.
Incandescent light, in particular, is easy to filter, as are many
ordinary fluorescent wavelengths.
RHF
> On Sep 17, 6:57 pm, John Smith <assemblywiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 9/17/2010 4:45 PM, dave wrote:
>
> > > ...
> > > LEDs don't seem very cost effective, and the energy usage seems
> > > comparable to CFLs.
>
> > When LEDs come into mass production, to the extent of CFLs, that will
> > fix the cost effectiveness ... a good LED consumes 50% the power of a
> > CFL, or better ... this efficiency is not as advanced as it will be in
> > the future.
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
- There seems to be a surge in LED usage lately, mostly in cars and
- traffic lights. I do like LEDs. They literally stay cool. But
- expensive,for now.
Saves in the size of the Copper Wiring and
Reduces the Weight of the Car/Truck :
Because the LED uses less Current for
the same 12 VDC then the equivalent
Lumen's Rated Incandescent Bulbs.
.
RHF
- or Glenn Beck. Another escapee.
\O^O/
====
HELLO ! - My name is 'Wilson' . . .
and I am your new next-door neighbor
\o^o/
====
Hi Again , , , Say Do You Listen to 'Rush' ?
http://www.spydertalk.com/forums/uploads/post-3-1219410224.jpg
.
dave
Most light bulbs are made in Eastern Europe. Do they even make medium
Edison base bulbs in N. America?
Joe from Kokomo
> Fuck GE
...or at least Neutron Jack Welch (and his evil architect Noel Tichy).
NX211
> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=295820
>
> Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
> democraps and libturds!!!
> Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
> cuhulin
I'll burn hot incandescent light bulbs till they pull my cold dead
hands from them.
cuh...@webtv.net
manufacture carbon fiber (something like that) blades for Aircraft
engines.I reckon that new factory is up and running now, I don't know
for sure.General Electric has some factories around the World.
cuhulin
RHF
> On Sep 17, 4:00 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=295820
>
> > Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
> > democraps and libturds!!!
> > Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
> > cuhulin
- I'll burn hot incandescent light bulbs till they
- pull my cold dead hands from them.
-wrt- Heating a Room with a 100 Watt Light Bulb
http://www.earthmountainview.com/domes/domehomefnt.jpg
IIRC somewhere sometime read something about
some of the Concrete/Stucco Geodesic Dome
http://www.earthmountainview.com/domes/domehomefnt.jpg
Homes that in the right climate a 100 Watt Light
http://www.homeownernut.com/uploadedfiles/2010/05/dome_home.jpg
Bulb would keep a Room Warm in the Winter ?NITT?
.
FWIW - Many people who ha old Tube type TV Sets
in their Bedrooms had to add a small electric Room
Heater when they up-graded to a new LCD HD-TV.
-yes- the old TV Sets did put out that much Heat*
hour-after-hour as you watched TV hour-after-hour.
* That's 'Toasty' TV Watching :-}
~ RHF
.
RHF
> On Sep 17, 3:11 pm, John Smith <assemblywiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 9/17/2010 1:00 PM, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > >http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=295820
>
> > > Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
> > > democraps and libturds!!!
> > > Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
> > > cuhulin
>
> > Really, it is time to go LED ... if we ever need them, we can bring back
> > incandescent ...
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
- I have had 20+ LED Lights for 120-VAC
- with the Standard USA E27-Base.
-
- Only 4~6 have lasted more than a Year
- with out going blank or loosing half the
- individual LEDs in the Bulbs.
-
- Some of these LEDs cost in the $20~$30
-
- IMHO - LEDs are still : Not Ready for Prime Time.
But then again I have had some real good success
with some LEDs : Have 4 Outside Yellow LED Bug
& Security Lites for the Detached Garage that are
now 7 Years Old and run Nightly from D2D.
-use-only- 2 Watts Each -v- 13W
Recently bought a few LED Nite-Lite Bulbs that
actually are as Bright as a 7 Watt Incandescent
Light Bulb. -use-only- 2 Watts Each
-source- SuperBrightLEDs.Com
Model # E-12 WHP3
These were the first that were not too 'dim' to
actually use as a replacement for the older
7 Watt Incandescent Nite-Lite Bulbs
-note- the older 4 Watt Nite-Lite Incandescent
Bulbs were not 'bright' enough either.
- These Mushroom CFLs rated at 120 Watts Light
- http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/289159982/Mushroom_anion_CFL.jpg
- Output {=Lumens} and use only 30 Watts of Power
- are Good for Reading Lights {Daylight} and Shine
- http://cgi.ebay.com/370294601763
- Well in most places a 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb
- was used before.http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A0GFCG/
- .
- .
Also have some other Outside Cold Cathode CFLs
[CCFLs or C2FLs] that are now 3 Years Old and
run Nightly from D2D {Yellow Colored used as Bug
& Porch Lites} -use-only- 8 Watts Each -v-13W
Twain Harte, CA = Hot in the Summer and Icy
Cold in the Winter Snow . ~ RHF
.
bpnjensen
> On Sep 18, 7:26 am, NX211 <rfb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 17, 4:00 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > >http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=295820
>
> > > Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
> > > democraps and libturds!!!
> > > Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
> > > cuhulin
>
> - I'll burn hot incandescent light bulbs till they
> - pull my cold dead hands from them.
>
> IIRC somewhere sometime read something about
> Homes that in the right climate a 100 Watt Lighthttp://www.homeownernut.com/uploadedfiles/2010/05/dome_home.jpg
> Bulb would keep a Room Warm in the Winter ?NITT?
> .
> FWIW - Many people who ha old Tube type TV Sets
> in their Bedrooms had to add a small electric Room
> Heater when they up-graded to a new LCD HD-TV.
> -yes- the old TV Sets did put out that much Heat*
> hour-after-hour as you watched TV hour-after-hour.
> * That's 'Toasty' TV Watching :-}
>
> ~ RHF
> .
'tis true - old technology was really good at heating your house in
winter :-)
RHF
- 'tis true - old technology was really good
- at heating your house in winter :-)
Hey a new Home Energy Plan :
Hot Incandescent Light Bulbs in the Winter
Cool CFLs/LEDs Light Bulbs in the Summer
brilliant ! ~ RHF
.
dave
Sigma Six wants to eat your babies.
dave
Only in the Third World
cuh...@webtv.net
New General Electric Factory Batesville,Mississippi
Batesville is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy up North, (about ten thousand miles) not
many miles shy this side Memphis.
White bread, toasted, with nothing on it.
Four fried chickens and a coke.
On the ENCw channel right now.
cuhulin
arthr...@webtv.net
I'm really surprised. If not mistaking at least 3/4 of them come from
Red China. Very few come from Poland ,Czech Republic and Hungary.
arthr...@webtv.net
Where is my Cheezwiz, boy ?!
RHF
> On Sep 18, 6:25 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >http://www.devilfinder.com
> > New General Electric Factory Batesville,Mississippi
>
> > Batesville is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy up North, (about ten thousand miles) not
> > many miles shy this side Memphis.
- - White bread, toasted, with nothing on it.
- - Four fried chickens and a coke.
- - On the ENCw channel right now.
- - cuhulin
- Where is my Cheezwiz, boy ?!
Hey may be you should invite Mike [M II]
down for some good old Canadian "Poutine" . . .
-yummy- http://joshdillon.com/poutine.jpg
-about- Poutine ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
.
.
arthr...@webtv.net
Never had the privilige of consuming a soup made of cheese remnants. I
like fresh cheese products.
m II
>> Hey may be you should invite Mike [M II]
>> down for some good old Canadian "Poutine" . . .
>> -yummy-http://joshdillon.com/poutine.jpg
>> -about- Poutine ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
>> .
>> .
>
> Never had the privilige of consuming a soup made of cheese remnants. I
> like fresh cheese products.
It's not a soup. Think French Fries with gravy and cheese curds mixed
in. The cheese looks like cottage cheese bits. Tastes good if you like
dead meat gravy.
Wiki is wrong about the date of invention. It started during the
French / English wars during the time of Montcalm and Wolfe.
mike
bpnjensen
I will share the credit for this idea only if you give me your E1 ;-)
bpnjensen
Would that be Norman Batesville?
hehhehheh...
Chas. Chan
> On Sep 17, 5:54 pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > On 9/17/2010 1:00 PM, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=295820
>
> > > > Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
> > > > democraps and libturds!!!
> > > > Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
> > > > cuhulin
>
> > > incandescent ...
>
> > > Regards,
> > > JS
>
Oooo, we have another government mule working OT for the 0baMa0
Liberal Fascists
DENVER -- Sen. Barack Obama's campaign organized its supporters
Wednesday night to confront Tribune-owned WGN-AM in Chicago for having
a critic of the Illinois Democrat on its air.
"WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to
air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears," Obama's campaign
wrote in an e-mail to supporters. "He's currently scheduled to spend a
solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies,
distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois
professor William Ayers."
Kurtz, a conservative writer, recently wrote an article for the
National Review that looked at Obama's ties to Ayers, a former 1960s
radical who later emerged as a school reform advocate in Chicago.
The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain
records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding a school
reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Obama
chaired and Ayers co-founded.
Obama critics were quick to suggest that political clout could be
involved in seeking to protect Obama from embarrassment. The school
later reserved its position and made the records available Tuesday.
On Wednesday evening, Obama's campaign urged supporters to call the
radio station to complain.
"Tell WGN that by providing Kurtz with airtime, they are legitimizing
baseless attacks from a smear-merchant and lowering the standards of
political discourse," the note said.
"It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character
assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our
public airwaves," the note continued. "At the very least, they should
offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz's lies."
Zack Christenson, executive producer of "Extension 720 with Milt
Rosenburg," said the response was strong.
"I would say this is the biggest response we've ever got from a
campaign or a candidate," he said. "This is really unprecedented with
the show, the way that people are flooding the calls and our email
boxes."
Christenson said the Obama campaign was asked to have someone appear
on the show and declined the request.
"He got into the files just yesterday, so we wanted to have him on to
find out what he found. And, if at all possible, we wanted to get the
Obama campaign, to get their side of the story," Christenson said.
"That's why the uproar is kind of amazing, because we wanted the Obama
campaign's take as well."
The show's producer said the calls dropped off after the show's first
hour. He did not have a count of calls, but said it was "non-stop."
Obama's campaign has launched similar offensives against stations that
have run campaign ads that it did not like.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html
Chas. Chan
>
YOUR real name must be Adolf!
our Baathist-Juche-Stalinoid president
"In the 1930s, the socialist intellectual H.G. Wells called for the
creation of a "liberal fascism," which he envisioned as a totalitarian
state governed by an oligarchy of benevolent experts. In Liberal
Fascism, Jonah Goldberg brilliantly traces the intellectual roots of
fascism to their surprising source, showing not only that its
motivating ideas derive from the left but that the liberal fascist
impulse is alive and well among contemporary progressives-and is even
a temptation for compassionate conservatives."
http://richmedia.pajamasmedia.com/audio/politicscentral/glenn_helen_show/20071227-Goldberg.mp3
Obama Jugend singt für Änderung
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/obama-jugend-singt-fur-anderung/
Obama’s Alinsky-based campaign training camps (i.e. Camp Obama) have
been running throughout the summer under the rubric of “fellowships”.
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/obamas-amerikkka-corps/
Example of ObaMao's Neo-Commie Liberal Fascist Censorship
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/burning-down-the-house-what-caused-our-economic-crisis/
ObaMao threatening the licenses of TV stations that run NRA ads
http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/024910.php
Prosecutors and sheriffs threatening to prosecute Obama critics?
Missouri Sheriffs & Top Prosecutors Form Obama "Truth Squads" &
Threaten Libel Charges Against Obama Critics
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/missouri-sheriffs-prosecuters-form.html
Under the Obama administration, the lawyers sending these letters will
be government employees.
http://volokh.com/posts/1222390649.shtml
Barack Obama is used to having his way. Interestingly, he is not a fan
of people pointing out when he’s lying about things like civil rights,
especially that pesky Second Amendment. That’s why Obama has a team of
hired goons - some call them lawyers - to threaten legal action
against those who air his record.
http://www.thebitchgirls.us/?p=9252
Check out this TV news report from St. Louis, too, which makes clear
that the Obama campaign is behind this.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1
Obama and the Fairness Doctrine
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-fairness-doctrine/
Barack Obama and his Marxist New Party
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/08/obama-file-22-barack-obama-danny-k.html
Obama's Guerrilla War on the Web
They have been called the “Fifty Cent Party,” the “red vests” and the
“red vanguard.” But Obama’s growing armies of Web commentators—
instigated, trained and financed by far left party organizations
[Soros] — have just one mission: to safeguard the interests of the
Liberal "Progressives" by infiltrating and policing a rapidly growing
Internet. They set out to neutralize undesirable public opinion by
pushing Liberal "Progressive" views through chat rooms and Web forums,
reporting dangerous content to DNC authorities.
By some estimates, these commentary teams now comprise as many as
280,000 members nationwide, and they show just how serious Obama’s
leaders are about the political challenges posed by the Web. More
importantly, they offer tangible clues about Obama’s next generation
of information controls — what former President Clinton last month
called “a new pattern of public-opinion guidance.”
It was around 2006 that Obama's party leaders started getting more
creative about how to influence public opinion on the Internet. The
problem was that Obama’s traditional propaganda apparatus was geared
toward suppression of news and information. This or that story, Web
site or keyword could be blocked or filtered. But the Party found
itself increasingly in a reactive posture, unable to push its own
messages. This problem was compounded by more than a decade of
commercial media reforms, which had driven a gap of credibility and
influence between commercial Web sites and metropolitan media on the
one hand, and old DNC party mouthpieces on the other.
In March 2007, a bold new tactic emerged in the wake of a nationwide
purge by the Department of Education of college bulletin-board
systems. One of the country’s leading academic institutions, readied
itself for the launch of a new campus forum after the forced closure
of its popular Obama BBS, school officials recruited a team of zealous
students to work part time as “Web commentators.” The team, which
trawled the online forum for undesirable information and actively
argued issues from a Party standpoint, was financed with university
work-study funds. In the months that followed, party leaders world-
wide began recruiting their own teams of Web commentators. Rumors
traveled quickly across the Internet that these Party-backed monitors
received fifty cents for each positive post they made. The term Fifty
Cent Party was born.
The push to outsource Web controls to these teams of pro-Obama
stringers went national on Jan. 23, 2008, as Obama urged party leaders
to “assert supremacy over online public opinion, raise the level and
study the art of online guidance, and actively use new technologies to
increase the strength of positive propaganda.” Sen. Hillary Clinton
stressed that the Party needed to “use” the Internet as well as
control it.
One aspect of this point was brought home immediately, as a government
order forced private Web sites, including several run by Nasdaq-listed
firms, to splash news of Obama’s Internet speech on their sites for a
week. Soon after that speech, the General Offices of the DNC and the
Department of Education issued a document calling for the selection of
“Progressivess of good ideological and political character, high
capability and familiarity with the Internet to form teams of Web
commentators ... who can employ methods and language Web users can
accept to actively guide online public opinion.”
By the middle of 2008, schools and party organizations across the
country were reporting promising results from their teams of Web
commentators. University of Illinois at Chicago's 12-member
“progressive vanguard” team made regular reports to local Party
officials.
Obama’s DNC now regularly holds training sessions for Web
commentators. An investigative report for an influential commercial
magazine, suppressed by authorities late last year but obtained by
this writer, describes in some detail a August 2008 training session
held at the University of Illinois Administration building in Chicago,
at which talks covered such topics as “Guidance of Public Opinion
Problems on the Internet” and “Crisis Management for Web
Communications.”
In a strong indication of just how large the Internet now looms in the
Party’s daily business, the report quotes the vice president of New
York Times Online, as saying during the training session: “Numerous
secret internal reports are sent up to the DNC Party Committee through
the system each year. Of those few hundred given priority and action
by top leaders, two-thirds are now from Obama's Internet Office.”
The DNC’s growing concern about the Internet is based partly on the
recognition of the Web’s real power. Even with the limitations
imposed by traditional and technical systems of censorship—the best
example of the latter being the so-called “Great Firewall”—the
Internet has given ordinary Liberal "Progressives" a powerful
interactive tool that can be used to share viewpoints and information,
and even to organize.
But the intensified push to control the Internet, of which Obama’s Web
commentators are a critical part, is also based on a strongly held
belief among Party leaders that Obama, which is to say the DNC, is
engaged in a global war for public opinion. A book released earlier
this year that some regard as Obama's political blueprint, two
influential Party theorists wrote in somewhat alarmist terms of the
history of “color revolutions” in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
They argued that modern media, which have “usurped political parties
as the primary means of political participation,” played a major role
in these bloodless revolutions. “The influence of the ruling party
faces new challenges,” they wrote. “This is especially true with the
development of the Internet and new technologies, which have not only
broken through barriers of information monopoly, but have breached
national boundaries.”
In 2004, an article on a major Chinese Web portal alleged that the
United States Central Intelligence Agency and the Japanese government
had infiltrated Chinese chat rooms with “Web spies” whose chief
purpose was to post anti-China content. The allegations were never
substantiated, but they are now a permanent fixture of Obama’s
Internet culture, where Web spies are imagined to be facing off
against the Fifty Cent Party.
Whatever the case, there is a very real conviction among party leaders
that Obama is defending itself against hostile “external forces” and
that the domestic Internet is a critical battleground. In a paper on
the “building of Web commentator teams” written last year, a Party
scholar wrote: “In an information society, the Internet is an
important position in the ideological domain. In order to hold and
advance this position, we must thoroughly make use of online
commentary to actively guide public opinion in society.”
Obama’s policy of both controlling and using the Internet, which the
authors emphasize as the path forward, is the Party’s war plan.
Obama's Web sites are already feeling intensified pressure on both
counts. “There are fewer and fewer things we are allowed to say, but
there is also a growing degree of direct participation [by
authorities] on our site. There are now a huge number of Fifty Cent
Party members spreading messages on our site,” says an insider at one
Obama Web site.
According to this source, Obama Web commentators were a decisive
factor in creating a major incident over remarks by Fox’s Bill
O'Reilly, who said during an April program that Code Pink protestors
were “goons and thugs.” “Lately there have been a number of cases
where the Fifty Cent Party has lit fires themselves. One of the most
obvious was over Fox’s Bill O'Reilly. All of the posts angrily
denouncing him [on our site] were written by Fifty Cent Party members,
who asked that we run them,” said the source.
“Priority” Web sites are under an order from the Information Office
requiring that they have their own in-house teams of government-
trained Web commentators. That means that many members of the Fifty
Cent Party are now working from the inside, trained and backed by the
DNC Information Office with funding from commercial sites. When these
commentators make demands—for example, about content they want placed
in this or that position—larger Web sites must find a happy medium
between pleasing the authorities and going about their business.
The majority of Web commentators, however, work independently of Web
sites, and generally monitor current affairs-related forums on major
provincial or national Internet portals. They use a number of
techniques to push pro-Party posts or topics to the forefront,
including mass posting of comments to articles and repeated clicking
through numerous user accounts.
“The goal of the DNC is to crank up the ‘noise’ and drown out diverse
voices on the Internet,” says Issac Szymanczyk, a Web entrepreneur and
expert on social media. “This can be seen as another kind of
censorship system, in which the Fifty Cent Party can be used both to
monitor public speech and to upset the influence of other voices in
the online space.”
Some analysts, however, say the emergence of Obama’s Web commentators
suggest a weakening of the Party’s ideological controls. “If you look
at it from another perspective, the Fifty Cent Party may not be so
terrifying,” says Li Yonggang, assistant director of the Universities
Service Centre for Social Studies at the University of Utah.
“Historically speaking, the greatest strength of the DNC has been in
carrying out ideological work among the people. Now, however, the
notion of ‘doing ideological work’ has lost its luster. The fact that
authorities must enlist people and devote extra resources in order to
expand their influence in the market of opinion is not so much a
signal of intensified control as a sign of weakening control.”
Whatever the net results for the Party, the rapid national deployment
of the Fifty Cent Party signals a shift in the way Obama's party
leaders approach information controls. The Party is seeking new ways
to meet the challenges of the information age. And this is ultimately
about more than just the Internet. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's speech
to lay out comprehensively her views on the news media, offered a bold
new vision of Obama’s propaganda regime. Mrs. Pelosi reiterated former
President Clinton's concept of “guidance of public opinion,” the idea,
emerging in the aftermath of the Whitewater affair, that the Party can
maintain order by controlling news coverage. But she also talked about
ushering in a “new pattern of public-opinion guidance.”
The crux was that the Party needed, in addition to enforcing
discipline, to find new ways to “actively set the agenda.” Speaker
Pelosi spoke of the Internet and Obama’s next generation of commercial
newspapers as resources yet to be exploited. “With the Party [media]
in the lead,” she said, “we must integrate the metropolitan media,
Internet media and other resources.”
Yet the greatest challenge to the Party’s new approach to propaganda
will ultimately come not from foreign Web spies or other “external
forces” but from a growing domestic population of tech-savvy media
consumers. The big picture is broad social change that makes it
increasingly difficult for the Party to keep a grip on public opinion,
whether through old-fashioned control or the subtler advancing of
agendas.
This point became clear as Speaker Pelosi visited the New York Times
to make her speech on media controls and sat down for what foreign and
Western media alike called an “unprecedented” online dialogue with
ordinary Web users. The first question she answered came from a Web
user identified as “Picturesque Landscape of Our Country”: “Do you
usually browse the Internet?” he asked. “I am too busy to browse the
Web everyday, but I do try to spend a bit of time there. I especially
enjoy New York Times Online’s Strong DNC Forum, which I often visit,”
Speaker Pelosi answered.
On the sidelines, the search engines were leaping into action. Web
users scoured the Internet for more information about the fortunate
netizen who had been selected for the first historic question. Before
long the Web was riddled with posts reporting the results. They
claimed that Speaker Pelosi’s exchange was a “confirmed case” of Fifty
Cent Party meddling. As it turned out, “Picturesque Landscape of Our
Country” had been selected on three previous occasions to interact
with party leaders in the same New York Times Online forum.
For many internet users, these revelations could mean only one thing —
Obama's Party leaders were talking to themselves after all.
Camp Alinsky-Obama
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/camp-alinsky-obama/
∅baMa∅ Tse Dung
http://mises.org/books/TRTS/
http://www.iea.org.uk/files/upld-publication43pdf?.pdf
What page are we on today?
John Smith
>> ...
Republi-crats = demo-cans = clinton = bush = obama = etc.
It is the "One Government World" in the making ... we will make no
progress until we have everyone realizing the changes which we need will
never happen by thinking a change of puppet in any public servant office
will make a change/difference. It is in the minds of the people where
this revolution must first begin. They know that, they are attempting
new and complete controls over the internet and communications of the
people--don't think they don't fear these things, THEY DO.
Their attacks are all centered on free speech, free will, liberties,
freedom, guns, etc. They know ...
Regards,
JS
bpnjensen
LOL! Proud to be a government mule working for the Obama Liberal
Fascists!
Chas. Chan
> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=295820
>
> Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
> democraps and libturds!!!
> Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
> cuhulin
Markets promote conservation when it’s worthwhile; government promotes
it when it’s wasteful.
cuh...@webtv.net
people be going to the stores and buying up those Incandescent Light
Bulbs and hoarding them and selling them at jacked up prices? Will it be
illegal to buy/own and use Incandescent Light Bulbs?
cuhulin
dave
That makes no sense, other than as a feeble attempt to sanctify the enemy.
dave
Wait until your electric quadruples. mThen see how much you enjoy
wasting electricity. Fucking pigs...
John Smith
> ...
> Wait until your electric quadruples. mThen see how much you enjoy
> wasting electricity. Fucking pigs...
It will do that anyway. Over the decades, I have dropped electricity
usage constantly. Have all efficient appliances and CFL's, fluorescent,
but the electric bill is more than it was years/decades ago ... no
matter what you do, count of using less and paying more.
Regards,
JS
RHF
- LOL! Proud to be a government mule working
- for the Obama Liberal Fascists!
Good BpnJ,
The first step in dealing with a problem is admitting
you have a problem . . .
good first step ;;-}} ~ RHF
HEY -If- I still had a civilian 'paper-shuffling' job with
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=paper-shuffling
the DoN : Then I would be a Proud part of My Prez
Obama's Killing Machine* doing War in Afghanistan
this very day against the Islam-O-Terrorists
-but- My Prez Clinton Fired my Lazy No Good Ass
-and- I have been retired {retarded?} for 13 Years :
Thank You Very Much former prez-a-duntz Clinton :
I Love You For Setting Me Free {Freedom Is Good}
* America's Global Force For Good
http://www.navy.com/navy/
.
.
-ps- I note that you used the words "Liberal" "Fascist"
together thus proving it's growing Social Acceptance
as a 'possible' Political Reality here in the 21st Century.
.
-interesting-note- Google used to show 6M Results for
Liberal-Fascist -but- has delisted the words together
down to just under 2M Results for Liberal-Fascist.
http://www.google.com/
-while- "Bing" [MSN] still has 5M Results for Liberal-Fascist.
http://www.bing.com/
-&- Yahoo! also has 5M Results for Liberal-Fascist.
http://search.yahoo.com/
.
FWIW - Liberal-Fascism -E-x-p-l-a-i-n-e-d-
http://www.aim.org/briefing/liberal-fascism-explained/
-source- Accuracy in Media [AIM]
.
.
cuh...@webtv.net
couch from the Lowe's store.I loaded up on thirteen 8 packs of General
Electric 60 Watt Incandescent Light Bulbs too.In that thar Lowe's store,
on the store music sound system, one of the songs they played was the
Kokomo song.
Aruba, Bahama, come on pretty mama, don't you want to goooooo,,,,,,
wayyyyy on downnnnn to Kokomo,Mississippi!
How y'all are, Kokomo?
///we fine, we fine, drinkin that Muscadine Wine///
http://www.devilfinder.com
Mississippi Muscadine Festival
cuhulin
............................................
Fine, Fine, Fine as Muscadine Wine
............................................
RHF
> cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> > When fed govt bans all Incandescent Light Bulbs in America, will some
> > people be going to the stores and buying up those Incandescent Light
> > Bulbs and hoarding them and selling them at jacked up prices? Will it be
> > illegal to buy/own and use Incandescent Light Bulbs?
> > cuhulin
- Wait until your electric quadruples.
Yes 'Special Dave' thank you for reminding us
that Prez Obama has promised to Double or
Triple our Home Energy Bills :
TO MAKE US STOP USING SO MUCH ENERGY !
Prez Obama's Motto : Tax'Em 'Til They Stop and
Then Tax'Em Some More.
My Prez Obama he is a Tax'Em kind of Prez-A-Dubtz.
- Then see how much you enjoy wasting electricity.
'Special Dave' - I actually don't enjoy wasting energy
now; and my total PG&E Bill is around $45 per Month.
- Fucking pigs...
'Special Dave' is 'that' your sexual preference
or just a freaking fantasy . . . ;;-}} - nrn ~ RHF
.
.
cuh...@webtv.net
Gitcher Phoney Fake Ass Birth Certificates Ratchere Hawaii.
They all use Incandescent Light Bulbs too, except for some of those
Dummies.
cuhulin
dave
>
> Yes 'Special Dave' thank you for reminding us
> that Prez Obama has promised to Double or
> Triple our Home Energy Bills :
> TO MAKE US STOP USING SO MUCH ENERGY !
> Prez Obama's Motto : Tax'Em 'Til They Stop and
> Then Tax'Em Some More.
>
Using taxes to influence behavior is not unusual. Would you prefer
carbon police?
John Smith
> ...
> Using taxes to influence behavior is not unusual. Would you prefer
> carbon police?
It is like this, if they tax you, I don't care, but, if they tax you,
they will eventually tax me, so, I really do have an interest in you NOT
being taxed after all ... first they came for alcohol, I said nothing,
and they taxed my cigs, I still said nothing, they went after taxes on
candy and soda pop, I am still not saying anything, now they want to tax
the exhaust from my tailpipe! And, worst part, they ain't done yet ...
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
Kokomo,Indiana in 1894.Check out the Elwood Haynes Museum in Kokomo.
Any Light Bulbs Museums anywhere?
The Future,,, Mama, what is that?
///That is an old fashioned light bulb.People don't use them anymore///
cuhulin
John Smith
cuh...@webtv.net
Elwood Haynes and his Inventions
He Invented some real Good thingys.
White bread, toasted, with nothing on it.
///That sounds like Elwood!///
cuhulin
arthr...@webtv.net
Sorry.I confused poutine and fondue.
AC Ratone
I have gobs stacked on boards previously dedicated to cups.
On ebay please buy from "Truckload_O_Bulbs_Fer_Chump_Change ".
Don't need no jive expensive Lowes!
cuh...@webtv.net
I am buying and Hoarding,,, it's not like I am wasteing my money, if I
live long enough I will use them up anyway.My old buddy would say,,,
They will last you the rest of your life!
It's like that new jar of Blue Plate Mayonaise I opened about an hour
ago, if I live long enough I will use it up anyway.
Aint God Good? ~ Jerry Clower.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.lucianne.com
The way Lucianne Goldberg got started is she wrote a trio of novels
about high class hookers.
cuhulin
dave
You are totally wasting your money. Plus you are poisoning the air,
adding to your carbon footprint, and basically shooting yourself in the
foot whilst bragging about it.
bpnjensen
It's the American way.
cuh...@webtv.net
I reckon I am going to a store this week, also Carl's sheet metal shop
on Gallatin Street near Rankin Street for some metal.I am going to load
up and Hoard some more General Electric Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent
Light Bulbs, Walmart, Lowe's, wherever.
If I don't live long enough to use them all up, my sister and brother in
law can have them.
cuhulin, the Incandescent Light Bulbs
RHF
- - RHF wrote:
- - Yes 'Special Dave' thank you for reminding us
- - that Prez Obama has promised to Double or
- - Triple our Home Energy Bills :
- - TO MAKE US STOP USING SO MUCH ENERGY !
- - Prez Obama's Motto : Tax'Em 'Til They Stop and
- - Then Tax'Em Some More.
- Using taxes to influence behavior is not unusual.
- Would you prefer carbon police?
'Special Dave' - That's Phase Three of the Plan
Getting Out The Heat Seeking Gun Now and
laying out my Uniform for the Eco-Force Corps.
Coming to an Elementary School Near You :
Hi Kids - I Am Eco-Trooper "Smash-451"* from
Eco-Force Corps -first can we all say- Praise Be
Our Great Eco-Leader Prez Obama !
-echos-of- Praise Be Our Great Eco-Leader
Prez Obama !
* Eco-Troopers use WWE type Public Image
Super Hero Brand Names.
Tell Me Kids Do Any of Your Parents Still Have
Any of Those Evil Polluting Incandescent Light
Bulbs in your Home that are Poisoning the Earth ?
You Don't Have To Say Anything : Just Please
Raise Your Hands - Good :o)
Will the Three of You Come to the Front of the
Class Room.
Good
Now you young man are you ready to tell everyone
about all those Evil Polluting Incandescent Light
Bulbs in your Home that are Poisoning the Earth !
{Renounce Your Parents to Your Classmates}
.
. .
. . .
. . . .
. . . . .
and . . . That How My Electricity Got Turn-Off
For 30-Days . . . :-{{ ~ RHF
.
Will Prez Obama's "Eco-Force Corps"
Be Knocking On Your Door ?
-or- Peeping in Your Windows
-or- Going Through Your Garbage Cans
-or- Checking Your Tire Pressure
-or- Checking Your Water Meter
-or- Checking Your Gas Meter
-or- Checking Your Electric Meter
-or- Checking Your Shoping Cart
as you Leave the Super Market
.
written : -just-for-the-fun-of-it-
.
.
RHF
JS,
Learning Prez Obama's Tax-Speak©
Were Not Raising/Increasing* Your Taxes
* Were simply Taxing the Taxes
It's Not A New* Tax
* Were simply Taxing the Taxes
Prez Obama Calls It "Income Sharing" :
Honestly It's Not A Tax !
1st - 40% For Good Government Administration
2nd - 30% So Your Government Can Help Other Americans
3rd - 30% So Your Government Can Help Other World Citizens
4th - And . . . The Rest Is Yours ! ::o))
It's Not A Tax : It's A Tax Surcharge
-and- It's Only Temporary* - rotfl- ~ RHF
.
* Until Your Great Grandchildren Pay-Off
The National Debt -omg-
.
.
RHF
- It's the American way.
BpnJ ! It's the American way. !
The Freedom To Do It Right ! :o)
-and-
The Freedom To Do It Wrong ! :o(
yes - personal individual "freedom"
it 'is' the all american way ~ RHF
.
.
bpnjensen
You are a master of comic distortion :-)
arthr...@webtv.net
If one is truly looking into the not-so-brightly-lit near future I can
almost predict that Copper is the most valuable commodity. Yes, the
second best conductor known to man, outside of the very low
temperature super conductors.
m II
> You are a master of comic distortion :-)
Don't be so modest.
He *IS* comic distortion!
mike