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Rfburns

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Jan 22, 2008, 12:49:31 PM1/22/08
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Anyone know the current status of the HD radio implementation that has
been forced upon us? How many receivers were sold during the Xmas
season? How many new stations have started or terminated
transmitting? How long will it take fior the noise to stop, etc?

jw

tom k in L.A.

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Jan 22, 2008, 1:34:25 PM1/22/08
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no, but i did listen to the new sony hd tabletop radio at the store in
manhattan and it sounded awesome. it was the 1st time I truly heard a
difference and it was substantial.

Steve

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Jan 22, 2008, 1:44:53 PM1/22/08
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I think the number is 7 to 9...somewhere in that range.

IBOCcrock

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Jan 22, 2008, 2:01:48 PM1/22/08
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On Jan 22, 12:49 pm, Rfburns <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote:

This is the best summary that you will find:

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/

RHF

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Jan 22, 2008, 6:29:01 PM1/22/08
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On Jan 22, 10:34 am, "tom k in L.A." <toma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 9:49 am, Rfburns <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know the current status of the HD radio implementation that has
> > been forced upon us?  How many receivers were sold during the Xmas
> > season?  How many new stations have started or terminated
> > transmitting?  How long will it take fior the noise to stop, etc?
>
> > jw
>
- no, but i did listen to the new sony hd tabletop radio
- at the store in manhattan and it sounded awesome.
- it was the 1st time I truly heard a difference and it
- was substantial.

Tom K in LA,

Were you listening to an AM "HD" {Digital} Broadcast ?
-or- FM "HD" {Digital} Broadcast ?

~ RHF
.

RHF

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Jan 22, 2008, 7:07:35 PM1/22/08
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On Jan 22, 9:49 am, Rfburns <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote:

Question : iBiquity HD Radio Status
-by- RF Burns Rec.Radio.Shortwave Newsgroup
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/748b5a11ac383f1c

HD Radio Sales Approaching Half-a-Million Units To Date :
Oops That Is The Same Number For Two Years In A Row.
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/46b9c662cab5e370

Dec 2006 - HD Radio Sales approaching Half-a-Million Units to Date.

Dec 2007 - HD Radio Sales approaching Half-a-Million Units to Date.

Oops That Can't Be Right ~ RHF

HD Radio Progress Report - December 17, 2007 in HD Radio
http://www.hear2.com/2007/12/hd-radio-progre.html
-source- Hear 2 .Com

HD Radio's New Campaign
http://jacobsmedia.typepad.com/jacobs/2007/12/hd-radios-new-1.html
Thursday, December 20, 2007 in HD Radio, Marketing, Radio
-source- Jacobs Media .Com
.
hy dee ray-dee-oh ~ RHF
Hello and Welcome to the "HD Radio" NewsGroup
HD RADIO => http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
.

Steve

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Jan 22, 2008, 9:08:31 PM1/22/08
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On Jan 22, 7:07 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 9:49 am, Rfburns <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know the current status of the HD radio implementation that has
> > been forced upon us?  How many receivers were sold during the Xmas
> > season?  How many new stations have started or terminated
> > transmitting?  How long will it take fior the noise to stop, etc?
>
> > jw
>
> Question : iBiquity HD Radio Status
> -by- RF Burns Rec.Radio.Shortwave Newsgrouphttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/748b5a11ac383f1c

>
> HD Radio Sales Approaching Half-a-Million Units To Date :
> Oops That Is The Same Number For Two Years In A Row.http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/46b9c662cab5e370

>
> Dec 2006 - HD Radio Sales approaching Half-a-Million Units to Date.
>
> Dec 2007 - HD Radio Sales approaching Half-a-Million Units to Date.
>
> Oops That Can't Be Right ~ RHF
>
> HD Radio Progress Report - December 17, 2007 in HD Radiohttp://www.hear2.com/2007/12/hd-radio-progre.html
> -source- Hear 2 .Com
>
> HD Radio's New Campaignhttp://jacobsmedia.typepad.com/jacobs/2007/12/hd-radios-new-1.html

> Thursday, December 20, 2007 in HD Radio, Marketing, Radio
> -source- Jacobs Media .Com
>  .
> hy dee ray-dee-oh ~ RHF
> Hello and Welcome to the "HD Radio" NewsGroup
> HD RADIO =>http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
>  .

HD radio is what happens when desperation is substituted for sound
business strategy.

Telamon

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Jan 22, 2008, 9:51:13 PM1/22/08
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In article
<e062b6ae-a439-4d44...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

They were probably playing a CD connected to the AUX inputs.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David

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Jan 23, 2008, 8:54:07 AM1/23/08
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The audio compression gets fatiguing after a few minutes. After an
hour, you're ready to kill.

tom k in L.A.

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Jan 23, 2008, 2:48:36 PM1/23/08
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i hear you there...compressed audio is fatiguing

Frank Dresser

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:13:19 AM1/24/08
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"tom k in L.A." <tom...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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no, but i did listen to the new sony hd tabletop radio at the store in
manhattan and it sounded awesome. it was the 1st time I truly heard a
difference and it was substantial.

Were you listening to an AM station or a FM station?

Frank Dresser


Frank Dresser

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:49:33 AM1/24/08
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"Rfburns" <jimwi...@labs.net> wrote in message
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[good questions snipped]

> How long will it take fior the noise to stop, etc?
>
> jw

The IBOC noise won't stop until the broadcasters are convinced there is no
worthwhile demand for either "HD/crystal clear" radio or subscription radio.
I think pay radio has more potential than HD radio.

Pay radio schemes don't have to leave the listeners with normal radios
completely in the dark. NPR is supposed to be considering a plan in which a
free channel and a subscription channel would mostly simulcast during pledge
drives. But, when the pledge breaks comes up, the subscribers would hear
normal programming and people with normal radios would hear something like
"Pay up, you cheapskates, and you won't have to hear these damn beg-athons
anymore!"

Frank Dresser

Pete KE9OA

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Jan 24, 2008, 2:49:32 PM1/24/08
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Interesting thing about IBOC.............I e-mailed Senator Durbin about the
IBOC interference on the MW band. I did receive a reply yesterday, thanking
me for bringing up my concerns. He talked about high prices of broadband
internet, and everything
EXCEPT IBOC. A true politician.

Pete

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RHF

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Jan 25, 2008, 1:57:56 AM1/25/08
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On Jan 24, 11:49 am, "Pete KE9OA" <p.gian...@comcast.net> wrote:
- Interesting thing about IBOC.............
- I e-mailed Senator Durbin about the IBOC interference
- on the MW band. I did receive a reply yesterday,
- thanking me for bringing up my concerns.
- He talked about high prices of broadband internet,
- and everything EXCEPT IBOC. A true politician.
-
- Pete
-

-Translation-
American Citizen/Taxpayer - Your Concerns Do No Matter.
As You Elected Leader - I Know What Is Good For You.

the power elite ~ RHF
.

RHF

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Jan 25, 2008, 2:02:15 AM1/25/08
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On Jan 24, 7:13 am, "Frank Dresser" <analogd...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> "tom k in L.A." <toma...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:e062b6ae-a439-4d44...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>
> no, but i did listen to the new sony hd tabletop radio at the store in
> manhattan and it sounded awesome.  it was the 1st time I truly heard a
> difference and it was substantial.
>
- Were you listening to an AM station or a FM station?
-
- Frank Dresser

FD - Lets Try One More Time ~ RHF

Hello Tom K in LA,

Were You Listening to an AM "HD" {Digital} Broadcast ?

-or-

Were You Listening to an FM "HD" {Digital} Broadcast ?

~ RHF
.

Chuck Forsberg

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Jan 25, 2008, 1:25:19 PM1/25/08
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I have a Yamaha 4600 receiver and JVC car radio with HD radio.

On AM, only 1190 KEX broadcasts in HD. KEX is a talk radio station
with little stereo content. A few commercials are in stereo and
they really jump out. HD audio sound quality is similar to analog
on a 680NAB tuner.

Quite a few FM stations have HD. I listen to all classical KBPS.
Sound quality is indistinguishable between FM and HD except for
the noise floor. KBPS compresses the HD signal just as much as
the analog signal.

The non HD AM reception on the JVC car radio sucks. Reception is
weak and the audio is poor. HD sound is fine, but the least bit
or powerline interferece knocks the radio back to muffled analog.

HD FM on the JVC car radio is weak, dropping back to analog at the
slightest provocation.

I would like to see a Ramsey kit am transmitter with HD.

--
/u/caf/signature.txt

Frank Dresser

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Jan 25, 2008, 4:17:26 PM1/25/08
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"Pete KE9OA" <p.gi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:L4CdncNzGaEidgXa...@comcast.com...

> Interesting thing about IBOC.............I e-mailed Senator Durbin about
the
> IBOC interference on the MW band. I did receive a reply yesterday,
thanking
> me for bringing up my concerns. He talked about high prices of broadband
> internet, and everything
> EXCEPT IBOC. A true politician.
>
> Pete
>
>

Hmm. I'm sure if Senator Durbin had given this issue a moment's thought,
he'd realize it's unfair to force poor people to pay for their IBOC radios.
The Republicans would then counter that the only fair give-away would
include guys like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates.

Both parties would agree that it's grossly unfair to expect the current
generation of voters to pay for anything, but we would be happy to borrow
the money from our eternal pals, the Saudi Arabians and the Commie Chinese.

Frank Dresser


Pete KE9OA

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Jan 25, 2008, 4:29:43 PM1/25/08
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Are there any HD radios that actually have a good AM front end. We have the
Boston Acoustic non-HD clock radio. While the AM band has very good
sensitivity, the adjacent channel selectvity is a bit wide. Also, the LO
isn't very clean....early evenings, I can hear 49 Meter stations coming in
around 950kHz. This is because of mixer products occuring from the 5th
harmonic of the LO. This is even while using an external tuned loop antenna.
Inexcusably poor design, from an RF standpoint.
I wanted to clean up the design a bit.........when I called Boston Acoustic
and asked for a schematic, I was told "we don't release that kind of
information". Translation? We want to continue selling junk to the public,
and we don't want anybody improving our poor electrical design. Needless to
say, I never bought another Boston Acoustic product. Come to think of it,
their speakers were never anything to write home about either.

Pete

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Pete KE9OA

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Jan 25, 2008, 4:32:35 PM1/25/08
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It would be nice if we actually had some leaders that actually care. He was
one of 4 or 5 people in Congress that I e-mailed about this
situation...........I never heard from any of the others. They must be to
busy to listen to the people.

Pete

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Pete KE9OA

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Jan 25, 2008, 4:41:08 PM1/25/08
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I don't think any of them care. The Ibiquity folks must have quite a bit of
money, and/or quite a bit of clout. It is funny, when you hear the folks on
NPR referring to Hybrid Digital radio as High Definition radio. Same thing
with the FM stations in the Chicago area. My real issue is with the MW
intereference, especially in the evenings. What were they drinking when they
authorized evening IBOC?

Pete

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RHF

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Jan 25, 2008, 6:10:57 PM1/25/08
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On Jan 25, 1:32 pm, "Pete KE9OA" <p.gian...@comcast.net> wrote:
> It would be nice if we actually had some leaders that actually care. He was
> one of 4 or 5 people in Congress that I e-mailed about this
> situation...........I never heard from any of the others. They must be to
> busy to listen to the people.
>
> Pete

Pete - Now There Is A Bright Idea : Having The People's Elected
Representatives Actually Listening To The People They Serve !

Nah It Will Never Work - The Power Élite Believe That Only They
Know What Is Right For The People [.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite
http://www.socialstudieshelp.com/APGOV_Power_Elite.htm

"The Power Elite" -by- C.Wright Mills - Oxford Press, 1956
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Book_Excerpts/PowerElite.html

power to the people - up with people ~ RHF
.

>
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message

Brenda Ann

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Jan 25, 2008, 6:27:14 PM1/25/08
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"Chuck Forsberg" <c...@omen.com> wrote in message
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> On AM, only 1190 KEX broadcasts in HD. KEX is a talk radio station


> with little stereo content. A few commercials are in stereo and
> they really jump out. HD audio sound quality is similar to analog
> on a 680NAB tuner.


KEX and KGW used to sound great in AMS. Should have stuck with it.

>
> Quite a few FM stations have HD. I listen to all classical KBPS.
> Sound quality is indistinguishable between FM and HD except for
> the noise floor. KBPS compresses the HD signal just as much as
> the analog signal.

I used to listen to KBPS (both AM and FM... AM mostly on my telephone, since
I was about 4 blocks from Benson Tech) and KMHD quite a bit. Classical is
getting very hard to find. Anyone who uses compression on classical should
be strung between two of the antenna bays and covered with some substance
that attracts eagles and hawks.

> The non HD AM reception on the JVC car radio sucks. Reception is
> weak and the audio is poor. HD sound is fine, but the least bit
> or powerline interferece knocks the radio back to muffled analog.
>
> HD FM on the JVC car radio is weak, dropping back to analog at the
> slightest provocation.
>
> I would like to see a Ramsey kit am transmitter with HD.

I can see the range now.... connect the antenna directly to your radio for
reception. :) I'd sooner see them do one for AMS... like the one that Chris
Cuff built, but with a bit more range.

Pocke...@gmail.com

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Jan 25, 2008, 6:49:31 PM1/25/08
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"Can Sony Make HD Radio A Winner?"

"So, the old consumers don't want HD. Young consumers think the
concept is laughable. Big retailers can't sell it. And radio companies
won't invest in it. Sounds like a winner to me."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/05/can-sony-make-hd-radio-winner.html

Is this the Sony that looks like a car battery? LMFAO!

Sun Chaser

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Jan 26, 2008, 12:51:07 PM1/26/08
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In article <L4CdncNzGaEidgXa...@comcast.com>,
"Pete KE9OA" <p.gi...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Interesting thing about IBOC.............I e-mailed Senator Durbin about the
> IBOC interference on the MW band. I did receive a reply yesterday, thanking
> me for bringing up my concerns. He talked about high prices of broadband
> internet, and everything
> EXCEPT IBOC. A true politician.

Do you actually think HE read the letter and wrote the reply himself?
Most likely, some aide or intern got the message and sent the wrong
stock reply.

D Peter Maus

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Jan 26, 2008, 1:25:54 PM1/26/08
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Durbin is pretty widely known to be kept isolated from outside
influences, and is led around with the ring in his nose by his staff.
It's very possible he's not aware of the interference caused by IBOC,
and has, instead adopted the position of acceptance handed him by, as
you said, an aide, or associate pursuant to political agendae, and
contributorship.

Durbin is one of the slimiest of the Illinois politicians, and like
our beloved Governor (nice hair, not much under it-----thank you
G.Gordon Liddy) is prone to say whatever he needs to say to get critics
off his back. And then forget the conversation before the words have
died in the room.

RHF

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:02:52 AM1/27/08
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On Jan 26, 10:25 am, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Sun Chaser wrote:
> > In article <L4CdncNzGaEidgXanZ2dnUVZ_oGjn...@comcast.com>,

> >  "Pete KE9OA" <p.gian...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> Interesting thing about IBOC.............I e-mailed Senator Durbin about the
> >> IBOC interference on the MW band. I did receive a reply yesterday, thanking
> >> me for bringing up my concerns. He talked about high prices of broadband
> >> internet, and everything
> >> EXCEPT IBOC. A true politician.
>
> > Do you actually think HE read the letter and wrote the reply himself?  
> > Most likely, some aide or intern got the message and sent the wrong
> > stock reply.
>
>   Durbin is pretty widely known to be kept isolated from outside
> influences, and is led around with the ring in his nose by his staff.
- It's very possible he's not aware of the interference caused by
- IBOC, and has, instead adopted the position of acceptance
- handed him by, as you said, an aide, or associate pursuant
- to political agendae, and contributorship.

DPM - And most likely the "Source" that the Aide used was the
IBOC Talking Points provided by the FCC and NAB. :o) ~ RHF

D Peter Maus

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:08:35 AM1/27/08
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RHF wrote:
> On Jan 26, 10:25 am, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Sun Chaser wrote:
>>> In article <L4CdncNzGaEidgXanZ2dnUVZ_oGjn...@comcast.com>,
>>> "Pete KE9OA" <p.gian...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Interesting thing about IBOC.............I e-mailed Senator Durbin about the
>>>> IBOC interference on the MW band. I did receive a reply yesterday, thanking
>>>> me for bringing up my concerns. He talked about high prices of broadband
>>>> internet, and everything
>>>> EXCEPT IBOC. A true politician.
>>> Do you actually think HE read the letter and wrote the reply himself?
>>> Most likely, some aide or intern got the message and sent the wrong
>>> stock reply.
>> Durbin is pretty widely known to be kept isolated from outside
>> influences, and is led around with the ring in his nose by his staff.
> - It's very possible he's not aware of the interference caused by
> - IBOC, and has, instead adopted the position of acceptance
> - handed him by, as you said, an aide, or associate pursuant
> - to political agendae, and contributorship.
>
> DPM - And most likely the "Source" that the Aide used was the
> IBOC Talking Points provided by the FCC and NAB. :o) ~ RHF

Actually, Roy, most likely the source was a lobbyist working for
iBiquity.

dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:11:24 AM1/27/08
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D Peter Maus wrote:

> RHF wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 10:25 am, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> Sun Chaser wrote:
> >>> In article <L4CdncNzGaEidgXanZ2dnUVZ_oGjn...@comcast.com>,
> >>> "Pete KE9OA" <p.gian...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> Interesting thing about IBOC.............I e-mailed Senator Durbin about the
> >>>> IBOC interference on the MW band. I did receive a reply yesterday, thanking
> >>>> me for bringing up my concerns. He talked about high prices of broadband
> >>>> internet, and everything
> >>>> EXCEPT IBOC. A true politician.
> >>> Do you actually think HE read the letter and wrote the reply himself?
> >>> Most likely, some aide or intern got the message and sent the wrong
> >>> stock reply.
> >> Durbin is pretty widely known to be kept isolated from outside
> >> influences, and is led around with the ring in his nose by his staff.
> > - It's very possible he's not aware of the interference caused by
> > - IBOC, and has, instead adopted the position of acceptance
> > - handed him by, as you said, an aide, or associate pursuant
> > - to political agendae, and contributorship.
> >
> > DPM - And most likely the "Source" that the Aide used was the
> > IBOC Talking Points provided by the FCC and NAB. :o) ~ RHF
>
> Actually, Roy, most likely the source was a lobbyist working for
> iBiquity.

Is 'Eduardo' moonlighting?


D Peter Maus

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:19:21 AM1/27/08
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Careful...mentioning his name is like saying 'Betelgieuse'....three
times and he appears.

But to the point...given what we've seen him post here, and the
inconsistencies in some of his claims, I've wondered if that's not
precisely what he's doing.

RHF

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:24:08 AM1/27/08
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On Jan 27, 5:08 am, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> RHF wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 10:25 am, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> Sun Chaser wrote:
> >>> In article <L4CdncNzGaEidgXanZ2dnUVZ_oGjn...@comcast.com>,
> >>>  "Pete KE9OA" <p.gian...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> Interesting thing about IBOC.............I e-mailed Senator Durbin about the
> >>>> IBOC interference on the MW band. I did receive a reply yesterday, thanking
> >>>> me for bringing up my concerns. He talked about high prices of broadband
> >>>> internet, and everything
> >>>> EXCEPT IBOC. A true politician.
> >>> Do you actually think HE read the letter and wrote the reply himself?  
> >>> Most likely, some aide or intern got the message and sent the wrong
> >>> stock reply.
> >>   Durbin is pretty widely known to be kept isolated from outside
> >> influences, and is led around with the ring in his nose by his staff.
> > - It's very possible he's not aware of the interference caused by
> > - IBOC, and has, instead adopted the position of acceptance
> > - handed him by, as you said, an aide, or associate pursuant
> > - to political agendae, and contributorship.
>
> > DPM - And most likely the "Source" that the Aide used was the
> > IBOC Talking Points provided by the FCC and NAB. :o) ~ RHF

- Actually, Roy, most likely the source
- was a lobbyist working for iBiquity.

GFETE ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon
http://blackjewel.insanejournal.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley

>
>
>
>
> >>   Durbin is one of the slimiest of the Illinois politicians, and like
> >> our beloved Governor (nice hair, not much under it-----thank you
> >> G.Gordon Liddy) is prone to say whatever he needs to say to get critics
> >> off his back. And then forget the conversation before the words have

> >> died in the room.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

IBOCcrock

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Jan 27, 2008, 9:40:35 AM1/27/08
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On Jan 24, 10:49�am, "Frank Dresser" <analogd...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> "Rfburns" <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote in message

Controleed access will require the purchase of new HD radios - that is
part of the scam.

IBOCcrock

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On Jan 24, 10:49 am, "Frank Dresser" <analogd...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> "Rfburns" <jimwilh...@labs.net> wrote in message

Unless HD radios are software ungradable, there willl be a never
ending cycle of having to buy new HD radios - again, part of the scam:

"HD Radio on the Offense"

"But after an investigation of HD Radio units, the stations playing
HD, and the company that owns the technology; and some interviews with
the wonks in DC, it looks like HD Radio is a high-level corporate
scam, a huge carny shill."

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2007-03-07/music/hd-radio-on-the-offense

David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 1:08:57 PM1/27/08
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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Actually, iBiquity has no lobbyists on the hill... just their on staff that
visits the FCC.


David Eduardo

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"D Peter Maus" <DPete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> But to the point...given what we've seen him post here, and the
> inconsistencies in some of his claims, I've wondered if that's not
> precisely what he's doing.
>

Nothing I've posted can top your claim based on having, once upon a time,
gotten a FORMAT added to a LOCAL buy that it would be easy to get an agency
to change the client DEMOS for a buy...


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 1:13:38 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Not a good answer, 'Eduardo'..


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 1:16:34 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Hogwash, your claim to have actually *owned* radio stations, your claim to have
held a valid *amateur radio license*, and your claim to be *Hispanic* amongst
others certainly tops 'em all...


D Peter Maus

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Sweetheart....no one, not even me, said it was easy. I said it was
possible. And it is. It happens every day.

Why? Because the station develops a relationship with the agency.

Orders and purchases are about the product.

SALES, on the other hand, is about relationships.

No one has ever said that building the relationship is easy. But it
IS possible. Because it happens every day. EVERY DAY.


And someone with your experience knows that.

And for those of you in Rio Linda, the above is an example of one of
those inconsistencies to which I referred.


p


Steve

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Jan 27, 2008, 3:49:16 PM1/27/08
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On Jan 27, 1:10 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "D Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagenews:tx%mj.500886$kj1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

>
>
>
> >   But to the point...given what we've seen him post here, and the
> > inconsistencies in some of his claims, I've wondered if that's not
> > precisely what he's doing.
>
> Nothing I've posted can top your claim based on having, once upon a time,
> gotten a FORMAT added to a LOCAL buy that it would be easy to get an agency
> to change the client DEMOS for a buy...

Nothing you've posted can top a blank screen.

David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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I owned 12 operating stations, "bought" a ham license (there was no exam
for anyone, just a fee) and am, by US definition, Hispanic as that is my
culture, the one I live every day.


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 4:22:39 PM1/27/08
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"D Peter Maus" <DPete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> David Eduardo wrote:
>> "D Peter Maus" <DPete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:tx%mj.500886$kj1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> But to the point...given what we've seen him post here, and the
>>> inconsistencies in some of his claims, I've wondered if that's not
>>> precisely what he's doing.
>>>
>>
>> Nothing I've posted can top your claim based on having, once upon a time,
>> gotten a FORMAT added to a LOCAL buy that it would be easy to get an
>> agency to change the client DEMOS for a buy...
>
>
> Sweetheart....no one, not even me, said it was easy. I said it was
> possible. And it is. It happens every day.

I spoke with execs from a major national rep firm, and they say, just as I
do, that getting an agency to change a demo is next to impossible. One of
them, a few weeks ago in NYC, said they could not even remember the last
time they heard of it happening.

What stations do is adjust pricing so that whatever amount of listening in
the target demo that the station has is competitive with the agency goal for
that demo. The spillage is free.


>
> Why? Because the station develops a relationship with the agency.

Agencies don't set demos. The client does, and the demo is usually based on
ROI.and product design, boh of which are inmutable.


>
> SALES, on the other hand, is about relationships.

Relationships can get you considered if your are 7th in a demo and the buy
is only five deep. They can not change the demo spec from the client

>
> No one has ever said that building the relationship is easy. But it IS
> possible. Because it happens every day. EVERY DAY.
>
>
> And someone with your experience knows that.
>
> And for those of you in Rio Linda, the above is an example of one of
> those inconsistencies to which I referred.

When my experience, as GSM and NSM as well as GM, our managers' experience
and our rep's experience all say that changing a demo spec happens once in a
blue moon, I believe them more than your single anecdote. What you describe
seldom if ever happens, even with the best relationships as the agency
relationship with the client is not going to be sacrificed for a friendship
with a radio station when radio is and has been a small part of the average
client's budget.


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 4:43:31 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

BS


D Peter Maus

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Jan 27, 2008, 5:20:32 PM1/27/08
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All of which you've said before.

None of which changes anything I've said.

So, rather than just typing and retyping the same text over and over,
how about in the future, you say "idem," I'll say "idem" and we can stop
wasting each other's time.

Have a nice day, David.


p

dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 6:13:00 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

'Eduardo', you are so full of s**t, I could just puke! You've never *owned* one
single radio station, nor have you ever held an amateur radio license. And, you
are certainly not *Hispanic*...

David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 6:35:21 PM1/27/08
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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If you can master correct, expressive, Spanish, write to my partner in
several of the radio stations (Guayaquil 660 and 1140 Cuenca), Lic. Jaime
Nebot Sadii. He is now the mayor of Guayaquil, and can be contacted at city
hall there... don't take my word for it, look up his name and the alcaldia
in Guayaquil to get confirmation he is indeed the mayor and the address of
the city hall.

Here is a start: http://www.guayaquil.gov.ec/19.gye

He can certainly tell you he invited my partnership of failing Radio
Carrousel 660 in Guayaquil because of my success with my stations in Quito
and Ambato... 5 FM allocations in Quito, 3 AM's (at the time... another was
added later) and stations, at the time, under construction at Bahia de
Caraquez and Lago Agrio.

All those stations were licensed to corporations that were, in turn owned by
Radio Musical, Cia. Ltda., 100% of whose shares were in my name.

As to the ham license, they basically gave them away in boxes of Corn Flakes
there. There was no license exam, just a fee. Since, in a nation where the
average family income was, in 1965, less than $1000 a year, anyone who could
afford a rig was given a license.

Look up the definition of "Hispanic" on the Census' website; anyone who is
culturally Hispanic is Hispanic.


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 6:40:34 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

'Eduardo', you're full of s**t and you know it. How about YOU get the paperwork
and post it on your fraudulent website?


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 6:48:43 PM1/27/08
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dxAce wrote:

Can't do that, can you, oh fraudulent one?


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 6:53:04 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

You can't do s**t cause you're a fraudulent little prancing 'tard boy.

If you could do anything, like any good little 'tard boy, you'd have threatened
to sue me by now.

You can't. Why, because you're a phoney baloney little two bit 'tard boy!

Go give your boyfriend a blow job!


Steve

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Jan 27, 2008, 6:58:26 PM1/27/08
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On Jan 27, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
>
> news:479CCA81...@milestones.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> >> "D Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

> >>news:tx%mj.500886$kj1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >> >   But to the point...given what we've seen him post here, and the
> >> > inconsistencies in some of his claims, I've wondered if that's not
> >> > precisely what he's doing.
>
> >> Nothing I've posted can top your claim based on having, once upon a time,
> >> gotten a FORMAT added to a LOCAL buy that it would be easy to get an
> >> agency
> >> to change the client DEMOS for a buy...
>
> > Hogwash, your claim to have actually *owned* radio stations, your claim to
> > have
> > held a valid *amateur radio license*, and your claim to be *Hispanic*
> > amongst
> > others certainly tops 'em all...
>
> I owned 12 operating stations, "bought"  a ham license (there was no exam
> for anyone, just a fee) and am, by US definition, Hispanic as that is my
> culture, the one I live every day.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The only culture you live every day is one of deception and subterfuge.

Steve

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:02:08 PM1/27/08
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On Jan 27, 4:22 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "D Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagenews:w44nj.502092$kj1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >> "D Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

> >>news:tx%mj.500886$kj1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>>   But to the point...given what we've seen him post here, and the
> >>> inconsistencies in some of his claims, I've wondered if that's not
> >>> precisely what he's doing.
>
> >> Nothing I've posted can top your claim based on having, once upon a time,
> >> gotten a FORMAT added to a LOCAL buy that it would be easy to get an
> >> agency to change the client DEMOS for a buy...
>
> >   Sweetheart....no one, not even me, said it was easy. I said it was
> > possible. And it is. It happens every day.
>
> I spoke with execs from a major national rep firm, and they say, just as I
> do, that getting an agency to change a demo is next to impossible.

The operative phrase here is "next to".

>One of
> them, a few weeks ago in NYC, said they could not even remember the last
> time they heard of it happening.

"I can't remember it happening" is about the lamest possible argument
for "it didn't/cannot happen". You would benefit from a course in
elementary logic.

>
> What stations do is adjust pricing so that whatever amount of listening in
> the target demo that the station has is competitive with the agency goal for
> that demo. The spillage is free.
>
>
>
> >   Why? Because the station develops a relationship with the agency.
>
> Agencies don't set demos. The client does, and the demo is usually based on
> ROI.and product design, boh of which are inmutable.

Have you ever demo'd any of that colloidal silver you're always
hawking?

>
>
>
> >   SALES, on the other hand, is about relationships.
>
> Relationships can get you considered if your are 7th in a demo and the buy
> is only five deep. They can not change the demo spec from the client

Sure they can.

>
> >   No one has ever said that building the relationship is easy. But it IS
> > possible. Because it happens every day. EVERY DAY.
>
> >   And someone with your experience knows that.
>
> >   And for those of you in Rio Linda, the above is an example of one of
> > those inconsistencies to which I referred.
>
> When my experience, as GSM and NSM as well as GM, our managers' experience
> and our rep's experience all say that changing a demo spec happens once in a
> blue moon, I believe them more than your single anecdote.

I suggest you ask them again. You'll discover just the contrary.

What you describe
> seldom if ever happens, even with the best relationships as the agency
> relationship with the client is not going to be sacrificed for a friendship
> with a radio station when radio is and has been a small part of the average
> client's budget.

Actually, it does happen with some regularity.

Steve

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On Jan 27, 6:35 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
>
> news:479D0FFC...@milestones.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >>news:479CCA81...@milestones.com...
>
> >> > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> >> >> "D Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message


If he could master correct, expressive, Spanish, no friend of yours
would be able to understand him.

He is now the mayor of Guayaquil, and can be contacted at city
> hall there... don't take my word for it, look up his name and the alcaldia
> in Guayaquil to get confirmation he is indeed the mayor and the address of
> the city hall.

I talked to this guy on phone once already. He said you're full of
shit.

>
> Here is a start:http://www.guayaquil.gov.ec/19.gye
>
> He can certainly tell you he invited my partnership of failing Radio
> Carrousel 660 in Guayaquil because of my success with my stations in Quito
> and Ambato... 5 FM allocations in Quito, 3 AM's (at the time... another was
> added later) and stations, at the time, under construction at Bahia de
> Caraquez and Lago Agrio.

He denied all of this.

>
> All those stations were licensed to corporations that were, in turn owned by
> Radio Musical, Cia. Ltda., 100% of whose shares were in my name.
>
> As to the ham license, they basically gave them away in boxes of Corn Flakes
> there.

I can almost believe this, since this is the only way you could get a
ham license.

There was no license exam, just a fee. Since, in a nation where the
> average family income was, in 1965, less than $1000 a year, anyone who could
> afford a rig was given a license.
>
> Look up the definition of "Hispanic" on the Census' website; anyone who is
> culturally Hispanic is Hispanic

Another pathetic appeal to "authority". Yawn.

Steve

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:05:23 PM1/27/08
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On Jan 27, 6:40 pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> David Eduardo wrote:
> > "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >news:479D0FFC...@milestones.com...
>
> > > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> > >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:479CCA81...@milestones.com...
>
> > >> > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> > >> >> "D Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> and post it on your fraudulent website?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...don't worry, it's just a matter of time now before it shows up
there!!

dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:08:11 PM1/27/08
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Steve wrote:

Yawn? Come on, it's good for a laugh!


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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For my own purposes, I do not have to. I have a job, and all this turned up
on a background check years ago.And, generally, it is the person who makes
an accusation who has to prove that what they allege is indeed fact. You
know, innocent until proven guilty. Since our village lush can't prove what
he says, the absence of any contrary evidence speaks for itself.

To assist the drunk-every-weekend DXass, I have provided countless names.
Dozens of employees from the time I owned and managed the stations,
associates and acquaintances, etc. all of whom knew I owned the stations.
Official documents are doubtless no longer in existence in a nation that
only recently computerized the licensing and operation of radio stations,
but many many people witnessed my ownership and can attest to same. All it
takes for DXass is to make a couple of contacts and he will find,
conclusively, that I owned and operated a dozen stations, starting with
HCRM1 in Quito which signed on 12/5/64 to become South America's first Top
40 music station.

In fact. one contact I mentioned early on is Betty Pino, former PD and now
mid-day personality of WAMR, Miami's #1 radio station. It's easy to find the
phone number and call and ask who I am, since Betty was a freelance
announcer in Quito in 1964 and she frequently visited my stations to do paid
voiceover work. And now she is in Miami, as she has been since 1972, working
for local radio stations... who better to tell DXass that he is 100% wrong.
How about starting there? Go for it... I chuckle at the embarrassment you
will suffer, though.


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:32:09 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Get over it, 'Eduardo', they just figured out that you were a prancer and
decided to toss your sorry ass.

Just admit it, and get over it.


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> David Eduardo wrote:
>
> You can't do s**t cause you're a fraudulent little prancing 'tard boy.
>
> If you could do anything, like any good little 'tard boy, you'd have
> threatened
> to sue me by now.

On what grounds? Making foolish statements on a newsgroup that is full of
Brother Stair comments and people like "the other David" that would prove in
a court that you can't sue a swamp for stinking.


>
> You can't. Why, because you're a phoney baloney little two bit 'tard boy!

Why would I care? Nobody I work with visits here... it is just an
entertainment, as all newsgroups are.


>
> Go give your boyfriend a blow job!
>

Now, that is actionable. But why spend thousands on an attorney when the
chances of winning a judgment that would be of any interest are minimal to
non-existent?


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:34:45 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Prove it! Post the documents on your webpage!


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:36:16 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Prove it, post the documents on your webpage, prancer!


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:37:30 PM1/27/08
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"Steve" <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 27, 4:22 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> I spoke with execs from a major national rep firm, and they say, just as I
> do, that getting an agency to change a demo is next to impossible.

<<The operative phrase here is "next to".

That means "so unlikely as to be something the average national or agency
seller will never see."

In fact, trying to change an agency client's demo fits with the definition
of insanity that says "doing the same thing over and over and over again
hoping for a different outcome."

>One of
> them, a few weeks ago in NYC, said they could not even remember the last
> time they heard of it happening.

<<"I can't remember it happening" is about the lamest possible argument
<<for "it didn't/cannot happen". You would benefit from a course in
<<elementary logic.

I asked the question of three executives of a national sales rep who
together had about 100 years of national agency sales experience among them.
If they could not remember a case, it means that, if it had occured, it was
so long ago as to be irrelevant in a discussion today.

> Relationships can get you considered if your are 7th in a demo and the buy
> is only five deep. They can not change the demo spec from the client

<<Sure they can.

How many agency calls have you made in the media centers? None, I suspect.

David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:41:00 PM1/27/08
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"Steve" <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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<Another pathetic appeal to "authority". Yawn.

Funny that a person who very recently lied about interference to "all" NYC
AM and FM stations should set themselves up as an authority on morals and
behaviour.

I drove all over NYC and the area last week, and no station had any
interference in its protected coverage area. From none to "all" is a far
piece of road, one that is paved with your lies.


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:41:21 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:479D1960...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> > You can't do s**t cause you're a fraudulent little prancing 'tard boy.
> >
> > If you could do anything, like any good little 'tard boy, you'd have
> > threatened
> > to sue me by now.
>
> On what grounds? Making foolish statements on a newsgroup that is full of
> Brother Stair comments and people like "the other David" that would prove in
> a court that you can't sue a swamp for stinking.
> >
> > You can't. Why, because you're a phoney baloney little two bit 'tard boy!
>
> Why would I care? Nobody I work with visits here... it is just an
> entertainment, as all newsgroups are.
> >
> > Go give your boyfriend a blow job!
> >
> Now, that is actionable.

Really? How so, prancer? Better call your non-existent daughter, whom you claim
is a lawyer.

Or better yet, go get yourself some IBO Cock!

'Eduardo', you'd not believe how much stuff gets tossed over the transom about
you!

Best you shuffle down the alley! That's what your mama wanted!


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:44:46 PM1/27/08
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> All those stations were licensed to corporations that were, in turn owned
>> by
>> Radio Musical, Cia. Ltda., 100% of whose shares were in my name.
>
> Prove it! Post the documents on your webpage!

I gave you lots of names of people who knew the operation, and who knew who
owned it.

You and I both know that paperwork from nearly 50 years ago is not going to
exist. No radio station in the US would have paperwork that old, either...
most save only the documents from the most recent license renewal period,
and nothing more. Tax returns, as another example, are not required under
most cases to be saved for more than 3 years after the filing date.

I gave the name of a very famous Hispanic talent known all over the US,
Betty Pino. She has known me for 45 years, and definitely knows the history
of my stations. Call her. Embarrass yourself.


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:45:17 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Lies? You are the King Prancer of lies!


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:46:37 PM1/27/08
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:479D24B1...@milestones.com...

>
>
> David Eduardo wrote:
>
>> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
>> news:479D1960...@milestones.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > David Eduardo wrote:
>> >
>> > You can't do s**t cause you're a fraudulent little prancing 'tard boy.
>> >
>> > If you could do anything, like any good little 'tard boy, you'd have
>> > threatened
>> > to sue me by now.
>>
>> On what grounds? Making foolish statements on a newsgroup that is full of
>> Brother Stair comments and people like "the other David" that would prove
>> in
>> a court that you can't sue a swamp for stinking.
>> >
>> > You can't. Why, because you're a phoney baloney little two bit 'tard
>> > boy!
>>
>> Why would I care? Nobody I work with visits here... it is just an
>> entertainment, as all newsgroups are.
>> >
>> > Go give your boyfriend a blow job!
>> >
>> Now, that is actionable.
>
> Really? How so, prancer? Better call your non-existent daughter, whom you
> claim
> is a lawyer.

Very funny.


>
> Or better yet, go get yourself some IBO Cock!

Very nasty. You have an obcession with gay sex when you are drunk or high on
the vicodins or whatever the VA clinic gives you to quiet you down.


>
> 'Eduardo', you'd not believe how much stuff gets tossed over the transom
> about
> you!

Being insulted by you is a compliment.


>
> Best you shuffle down the alley! That's what your mama wanted!
>

You should make friends with Mr. Bill. Soon.
>


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:51:33 PM1/27/08
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:479D259D...@milestones.com...

There is an interesting thing, which might even be understandable in your
drunken stupor... it's easy to prove there is no interference to any NYC
station inside its protected contour. Just ask any NYC chief engineer or DoE
to ask at the next SBE meeting!

There is no proof of your claims against me. Next?


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:54:26 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Really? you're the one who brought it up. Freudian slip on your part, faggot
boy?

> You have an obcession with gay sex when you are drunk or high on
> the vicodins or whatever the VA clinic gives you to quiet you down.

Obcession? You're so hung up on it, you can't even spell it!

Bottom line, you got no daughter who is a lawyer! That's because you're a
fucking liar!


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 7:55:55 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

'Eduardo', you must be hittin' da tequila tonight, bro!


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:10:58 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:479D1960...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> > You can't do s**t cause you're a fraudulent little prancing 'tard boy.
> >
> > If you could do anything, like any good little 'tard boy, you'd have
> > threatened
> > to sue me by now.
>
> On what grounds? Making foolish statements on a newsgroup that is full of
> Brother Stair comments and people like "the other David" that would prove in
> a court that you can't sue a swamp for stinking.
> >
> > You can't. Why, because you're a phoney baloney little two bit 'tard boy!
>
> Why would I care? Nobody I work with visits here... it is just an
> entertainment, as all newsgroups are.
> >
> > Go give your boyfriend a blow job!
> >
> Now, that is actionable.

Tell ya what, have your *daughter* send me a letter..

I expect to get it within the next two weeks, boy!

> But why spend thousands on an attorney when the
> chances of winning a judgment that would be of any interest are minimal to
> non-existent?

The letter from your *daughter* oughta be pretty much free, shouldn't it,
prancer?


dxAce

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dxAce wrote:

Have *her* put some nice Ecuadorian stamps on it too! I collect stamps!


Steve

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On Jan 27, 7:41 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message

>
> news:ee51f8d6-4736-4771...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> <Another pathetic appeal to "authority". Yawn.
>
> Funny that a person who very recently lied about interference to "all" NYC
> AM and FM stations should set themselves up as an authority on morals and
> behaviour.

No, what's funny is that you're too much of a coward to admit the
truth. Except it isn't funny so much as pathetic.

>
> I drove all over NYC and the area last week, and no station had any
> interference in its protected coverage area. From none to "all" is a far
> piece of road, one that is paved with your lies.

That's funny because I live in NYC and the interference is widespread.
Sounds like your an awfully bad liar or an awfully unobservant
tourist.

David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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Tequila is Mexican. I am not Mexican.


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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>
.
>
> Obcession? You're so hung up on it, you can't even spell it!

I told you English is not the language I use the most. That sort of proves
it.

> Bottom line, you got no daughter who is a lawyer! That's because you're a
> fucking liar!

Contact the PR Bar Association (called the Colegio de Abogados de Puerto
Rico at , ask if Jennifer Gleason Altieri is licensed before the bar in
Puerto Rico. You will find that she is registered as "JENNIFER GLEASON
ALTIERI (15569)" and the 15569 is her license number.

Or, you can go online to http://www.capr.org/ the website of the PR Bar
Association

1. Click "Directorio de Abogados) (Lawyer directory) on the Left.
2. Enter "Jennifer Gleason" in the search field labled "nombre" or name.
3. Click "buscar" and the search will be initiated.
4. You will see her name and the registration number.

At that point, you will be proven 100% wrong. As usual.

You can also go to http://www.bnabooks.com/awards/winners01.htm and look for
Jennifer Gleason of the University of PR Law School who won a national award
for labor law studies.

Thish link, in the 4th paragraph, refers to her as the director of the legal
department of the PR Department of Education
http://www.losmafu.com/news/la-directora-maleante/ The Department of
Instruction operates all public schools for the entire Commonwealth of
Puerto Rico, where there are no local school systems.

This one shows when she passed the bar exam in San Juan
http://www.tribunalpr.org/junta/aprobadosmunicipios.html

You have my permission to go and have a double. Toast your ignorance.

Steve

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:41:08 PM1/27/08
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For you, being acknowledged in any way by anyone is a compliment.

>
> > Best you shuffle down the alley! That's what your mama wanted!
>
> You should make friends with Mr. Bill. Soon.

Mr. Bill's too busy making friends with your mama.

Steve

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On Jan 27, 7:51 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
>
> news:479D259D...@milestones.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> >> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message

> >>news:ee51f8d6-4736-4771...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> <Another pathetic appeal to "authority". Yawn.
>
> >> Funny that a person who very recently lied about interference to "all"
> >> NYC
> >> AM and FM stations should set themselves up as an authority on morals and
> >> behaviour.
>
> >> I drove all over NYC and the area last week, and no station had any
> >> interference in its protected coverage area. From none to "all" is a far
> >> piece of road, one that is paved with your lies.
>
> > Lies? You are the King Prancer of lies!
>
> There is an interesting thing, which might even be understandable in your
> drunken stupor... it's easy to prove there is no interference to any NYC
> station inside its protected contour. Just ask any NYC chief engineer or DoE
> to ask at the next SBE meeting!
>
> There is no proof of your claims against me. Next?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Lol. You yourself have supplied more than enough "proof". You
obviously enjoy being paradoxical.

David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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She practices labor law, and does not go around suing penniless drunks.


Steve

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I called her. She says she has no idea who you are.

David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> dxAce wrote:
>

>>
>> > But why spend thousands on an attorney when the
>> > chances of winning a judgment that would be of any interest are minimal
>> > to
>> > non-existent?
>>
>> The letter from your *daughter* oughta be pretty much free, shouldn't it,
>> prancer?
>
> Have *her* put some nice Ecuadorian stamps on it too! I collect stamps!
>

She is Puerto Rican. Nice try.


Steve

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On Jan 27, 7:37 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message

>
> news:a4172342-c5a8-44a1...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 27, 4:22 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
> > I spoke with execs from a major national rep firm, and they say, just as I
> > do, that getting an agency to change a demo is next to impossible.
>
> <<The operative phrase here is "next to".
>
> That means "so unlikely as to be something the average national or agency
> seller will never see."

And yet, they see it.

>
> In fact, trying to change an agency client's demo fits with the definition
> of insanity that says "doing the same thing over and over and over again
> hoping for a different outcome."

And yet, it happens.

>
> >One of
> > them, a few weeks ago in NYC, said they could not even remember the last
> > time they heard of it happening.
>
> <<"I can't remember it happening" is about the lamest possible argument
> <<for "it didn't/cannot happen". You would benefit from a course in
> <<elementary logic.
>
> I asked the question of three executives of a national sales rep who
> together had about 100 years of national agency sales experience among them.

And a 100 year old's memory, it would appear.

> If they could not remember a case, it means that, if it had occured, it was
> so long ago as to be irrelevant in a discussion today.

All it means is that they're senile.

>
> > Relationships can get you considered if your are 7th in a demo and the buy
> > is only five deep. They can not change the demo spec from the client
>
> <<Sure they can.
>
> How many agency calls have you made in the media centers? None, I suspect.

If so, that would make us equal.

dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:44:02 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Yeh, I know! You're not Hispanic either!


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:47:19 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

No, she was Ecuadorian, remember!


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:47:18 PM1/27/08
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"Steve" <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:dcec9586-aaab-4b8c...@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

On Jan 27, 7:41 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ee51f8d6-4736-4771...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> <Another pathetic appeal to "authority". Yawn.
>
> Funny that a person who very recently lied about interference to "all" NYC
> AM and FM stations should set themselves up as an authority on morals and
> behaviour.

<No, what's funny is that you're too much of a coward to admit the
<truth. Except it isn't funny so much as pathetic.

There is no interference. The collective value of all the NYC market radio
stations runs, likely about $3 to $5 billion dollars, so the owners would be
very distressed to find any evidence of any interference with their
stations.

> I drove all over NYC and the area last week, and no station had any
> interference in its protected coverage area. From none to "all" is a far
> piece of road, one that is paved with your lies.

<That's funny because I live in NYC and the interference is widespread.
<Sounds like your an awfully bad liar or an awfully unobservant
<t<ourist.

There is no evidence at all. I was at our mid-town offices, our Teaneck
office, and even our site on LA, as well as at JFK for hours. No
interference all last week. The second week of December was about the same,
as was the week before November, etc., etc. I go to NY 8 to 10 times a year,
and I would notice if I could not hear any of our stations due to
interference. Or our Chief Engineer would have mentioned it to me...


David Eduardo

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"Steve" <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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<Mr. Bill's too busy making friends with your mama.

Nice turn of the word you have. My "mama" who died a decade ago, for 50
years was a director of the Cuyahoga County Hospital system, receiving no
salary for her efforts. What have you done for your community, save making
up lies about interference that does not exist.


David Eduardo

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"Steve" <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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There is no interference. Period. You are making that up, and it is so easy
to prove you are making it up by calling any NYC engineer at any radio
station.


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:51:05 PM1/27/08
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dxAce wrote:

Damn, I'm about to bust a Stratocaster, this is so f00kin funny!


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:52:04 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

You think anyone wants to talk to you, liar?


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:52:21 PM1/27/08
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"Steve" <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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>
> How many agency calls have you made in the media centers? None, I suspect.

>>If so, that would make us equal.

Hardly. I have been calling on agencies since the 60's, and was a GSM from
1986 to 1992. General managers also sell, and I was a GM for many many
years, too.

dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:53:31 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Lies? You are the King of Liars, 'Eduardo'. Your mama would be proud.


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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My daughter in Ecuador is not a lawyer.


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:58:16 PM1/27/08
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:479D27C2...@milestones.com...

>
.
>
> Obcession? You're so hung up on it, you can't even spell it!

I told you English is not the language I use the most. That sort of proves
it.

> Bottom line, you got no daughter who is a lawyer! That's because you're a
> fucking liar!

Contact the PR Bar Association (called the Colegio de Abogados de Puerto

David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 8:58:27 PM1/27/08
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:479D27C2...@milestones.com...

>
.
>
> Obcession? You're so hung up on it, you can't even spell it!

I told you English is not the language I use the most. That sort of proves
it.

> Bottom line, you got no daughter who is a lawyer! That's because you're a
> fucking liar!

Contact the PR Bar Association (called the Colegio de Abogados de Puerto

dxAce

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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:479D3427...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> news:479D2C7E...@milestones.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > dxAce wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > But why spend thousands on an attorney when the
> >> >> > chances of winning a judgment that would be of any interest are
> >> >> > minimal
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > non-existent?
> >> >>
> >> >> The letter from your *daughter* oughta be pretty much free, shouldn't
> >> >> it,
> >> >> prancer?
> >> >
> >> > Have *her* put some nice Ecuadorian stamps on it too! I collect stamps!
> >> >
> >>
> >> She is Puerto Rican. Nice try.
> >
> > No, she was Ecuadorian, remember!
>
> My daughter in Ecuador is not a lawyer.

Really, have to check that out, oh faux one!


David Eduardo

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Jan 27, 2008, 9:01:20 PM1/27/08
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message

> Obcession? You're so hung up on it, you can't even spell it!

I told you English is not the language I use the most. That sort of proves
it.

> Bottom line, you got no daughter who is a lawyer! That's because you're a
> fucking liar!

Contact the PR Bar Association (called the Colegio de Abogados de Puerto

Rico by phone, ask if Jennifer Gleason Altieri is licensed before the bar in


Puerto Rico. You will find that she is registered as "JENNIFER GLEASON
ALTIERI (15569)" and the 15569 is her license number.

Or, you can go online to http://www.capr.org/ the website of the PR Bar
Association

1. Click "Directorio de Abogados) (Lawyer directory) on the Left.
2. Enter "Jennifer Gleason" in the search field labled "nombre" or name.
3. Click "buscar" and the search will be initiated.
4. You will see her name and the registration number.

At that point, you will be proven 100% wrong. As usual.

You can also go to http://www.bnabooks.com/awards/winners01.htm and look for
Jennifer Gleason of the University of PR Law School who won a national award
for labor law studies.

This link, in the 4th paragraph, refers to her as the director of the legal


department of the PR Department of Education
http://www.losmafu.com/news/la-directora-maleante/ The Department of
Instruction operates all public schools for the entire Commonwealth of
Puerto Rico, where there are no local school systems.

This one shows when she passed the bar exam in San Juan
http://www.tribunalpr.org/junta/aprobadosmunicipios.html

You have my permission to go and have a double of whatever it is you
consume. Toast your ignorance.

dxAce

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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:479D27C2...@milestones.com...
> >
> .
> >
> > Obcession? You're so hung up on it, you can't even spell it!
>
> I told you English is not the language I use the most.

BS!


dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 9:06:39 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

But you'd said before that your *daughter* in Ecuador was a lawyer, 'Eduardo'.

RHF

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Jan 27, 2008, 9:18:54 PM1/27/08
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On Jan 27, 4:33 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
>
> news:479D1960...@milestones.com...
>
>
>
> > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> > You can't do s**t cause you're a fraudulent little prancing 'tard boy.
>
> > If you could do anything, like any good little 'tard boy, you'd have
> > threatened
> > to sue me by now.
>
> On what grounds? Making foolish statements on
- a newsgroup that is full of :
- Brother Stair comments

d'Eduardo - Dang - I forgot all about Bro-B-Stepping* :
BS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Stair
OM - http://www.overcomerministry.org/
411 - http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/stair-01.html
RGS - http://www.clrc.net/brostair.html
411.2 - http://www.isitso.org/guide/stair.html
* For those Who Know Not Brother R.G. Stair
"The Last Day Prophet of God to America."
-ps- "Brother Stair" usually Heard Somewhere around
the Shortwave Radio (HF) Bands at Some Time 24/7.

- and people like "the other David"

Question - Who Is "The 'Other' David ? - I Want To Know.

- that would prove in a court that you can't sue a swamp for stinking.

Suing a Swamp-for-Stinking - Who'da Thunk ! :o)

~ RHF
.

>
> > You can't. Why, because you're a phoney baloney little two bit 'tard boy!
>
> Why would I care? Nobody I work with visits here... it is just an
> entertainment, as all newsgroups are.
>
> > Go give your boyfriend a blow job!
>

> Now, that is actionable. But why spend thousands on an attorney when the

Steve

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On Jan 27, 8:47 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:dcec9586-aaab-4b8c...@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 27, 7:41 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:ee51f8d6-4736-4771...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > <Another pathetic appeal to "authority". Yawn.
>
> > Funny that a person who very recently lied about interference to "all" NYC
> > AM and FM stations should set themselves up as an authority on morals and
> > behaviour.
>
> <No, what's funny is that you're too much of a coward to admit the
> <truth. Except it isn't funny so much as pathetic.
>
> There is no interference. The collective value of all the NYC market radio
> stations runs, likely about $3 to $5 billion dollars, so the owners would be
> very distressed to find any evidence of any interference with their
> stations.

Nope. I just checked again. There's definitely interference.

>
> > I drove all over NYC and the area last week, and no station had any
> > interference in its protected coverage area. From none to "all" is a far
> > piece of road, one that is paved with your lies.
>
> <That's funny because I live in NYC and the interference is widespread.
> <Sounds like your an awfully bad liar or an awfully unobservant
> <t<ourist.
>
> There is no evidence at all. I was at our mid-town offices, our Teaneck
> office, and even our site on LA, as well as at JFK for hours. No
> interference all last week. The second week of December was about the same,
> as was the week before November, etc., etc. I go to NY 8 to 10 times a year,
> and I would notice if I could not hear any of our stations due to
> interference. Or our Chief Engineer would have mentioned it to me...

You must have been listening to internet radio or something. The
interference was awful all last week, and again today it was just
terrible. It's a shame.

David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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Never did. My daughter in Ecuador works in advertising and radio. Always
has. You can not find anything different that I have said, although in your
end-of-weekend stupor, you may make something up.

And, of course, you said "you have got not daughter who is a lawyer!" with
no restriction on place of birth or residence. And you have been proven 100%
wrong. I have a daughter who is a lawyer, and this one is very easy to
prove.

Here is, 100% verifiable, proof that you are the liar I have stated all
along you were. A drunk liar. A misanthrope.

She will probably find the "cunt" reference amusing. And file it away....


Steve

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On Jan 27, 8:49 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message

Someone cue the violins.

Steve

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On Jan 27, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "Steve" <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message

Sure you have....just like you graduated from college with a high GPA.

Steve

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On Jan 27, 8:54 pm, "David Eduardo" <da...@davideduardo.com> wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
>
> news:479D3427...@milestones.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >>news:479D2C7E...@milestones.com...
>
> >> > dxAce wrote:
>
> >> >> > But why spend thousands on an attorney when the
> >> >> > chances of winning a judgment that would be of any interest are
> >> >> > minimal
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > non-existent?
>
> >> >> The letter from your *daughter* oughta be pretty much free, shouldn't
> >> >> it,
> >> >> prancer?
>
> >> > Have *her* put some nice Ecuadorian stamps on it too! I collect stamps!
>
> >> She is Puerto Rican. Nice try.
>
> > No, she was Ecuadorian, remember!
>
> My daughter in Ecuador is not a lawyer.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

She's probably more of a lawyer than you are a radio man.

dxAce

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Jan 27, 2008, 9:26:09 PM1/27/08
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David Eduardo wrote:

Like I made up your non-existent Amateur License?

>
>
> And, of course, you said "you have got not daughter who is a lawyer!" with
> no restriction on place of birth or residence. And you have been proven 100%
> wrong. I have a daughter who is a lawyer, and this one is very easy to
> prove.

Really, prove it, boy!

> Here is, 100% verifiable, proof that you are the liar I have stated all
> along you were. A drunk liar. A misanthrope.

Nah, it is you who are lying.

> She will probably find the "cunt" reference amusing. And file it away....

She won't know, because she doesn't exist!


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