Re: The 18th Anniversary of the Waco Massacre: The unprovoked attack by the ATF, the month long seighe and Massacre of a church full of innocent people by the Bloated Gargoyle Bill Clinton
John Smith
> ...
> The siege at Waco was unnecessary to begin with, and bungled badly,
> but the blood is entirely on the hands of David Koresh. Sorry to burst
> your kook bubble with a reality pin.
>
>> Regards,
>> JS
People like you, attempting to manipulate morons until they no longer
believe what evidence, experts and their own eyes tell them simply make
me sick:
"The film "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" purported to show infrared
images of government agents firing on the building. Now there is also a
rumored videotape, uncovered by the film's co-producer, Michael McNulty,
that reportedly shows agents in an ATF helicopter shooting into Mount
Carmel. No doubt there will be more evidence "discovered," more agents
coming forward, their six-year amnesia about April 19 suddenly cured.
The FBI has not come close to revealing the full government complicity
in the Waco massacre."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/09/waco
The repeated criminal false flag operations of our criminal and
treasonous public servants have only worsened with time, 9/11 topping
all other criminal actions of our public servants to date ... the only
thing that is going to happen in the future is just more and worse ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
>> Raven is lying (maybe it's disinfo) Everything I mentioned in the
>> above post happened as I said it did. Readers please click on the link
>> of the documentary in the orginial post I wrote. It is the best
>> account of the massacre that I have seen. Let's think about on this
>> anniversary of the attack, seige and massacre of the men, women and
>> children murdered by the goons and thugs with tanks grinding up bodies
>> in their treads and helicopters with snipers against the church.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Motive. Please.
For the murder of the davidians by clinton and reno?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdys4mKFNuw
Or, you mean some nutjob, such as raven, posting statements contrary to
video evidence?
(no video available)
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> The government acted only after it had become clear that he was coming
> unravelled to the point that mass suicide was probably inevitable.
>
I see your point, with that of paramount importance, they had to send
the goons in and kill them quickly!
> The Davidians blew their own compound when the FBI finally allowed an
> attempt to rush the building.
>
Actually:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdys4mKFNuw
Regards,
JS
Mitchell Holman
news:ioqmdl$vee$9...@dont-email.me:
Funny how that video evidence didn't
make an impression on the Texas jury that
heard the civil case. Or the Republican
judge that presided over the criminal one.
Or the Republican-led Danforth Commission.
Are they all part of a Clinton
conspiracy as well?
Jury clears US over Waco deaths
A Texas jury has ruled that the US Government was
not to blame for the death of about 80 members of
the Branch Davidian sect during the Waco stand-off
with federal agents in 1993. About 100 survivors and
relatives of the dead had sued the government for
$675m, alleging that agents had used excessive force
to end the 51-day siege.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b10.html#jury
PS: Waco is the most conservative city in the most
conservative state with the most conservatives jurors.
John Smith
>
> ...
> Funny how that video evidence didn't
> make an impression on the Texas jury that
> heard the civil case. Or the Republican
> judge that presided over the criminal one.
> Or the Republican-led Danforth Commission.
>
> Are they all part of a Clinton
> conspiracy as well?
>
>
>
>
> Jury clears US over Waco deaths
>
> A Texas jury has ruled that the US Government was
> not to blame for the death of about 80 members of
> the Branch Davidian sect during the Waco stand-off
> with federal agents in 1993. About 100 survivors and
> relatives of the dead had sued the government for
> $675m, alleging that agents had used excessive force
> to end the 51-day siege.
> http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b10.html#jury
>
> PS: Waco is the most conservative city in the most
> conservative state with the most conservatives jurors.
>
I would have to be privy to all evidence the jury viewed. I would have
to make sure that the experts pointing out that the tanks were the
likely cause of the fires and that davidian members were fired upon and
killed as they attempted to flee the building ... and at that time I
would wonder how the jury could have possibly reached the conclusion(s)
it did.
Obviously, anyone viewing the rules of engagement video, and the
analysis done by experts, would have to be shown some pretty contrary
evidence ... perhaps both were shown to the jury ... I can't find any
credible site, documents, video, etc. which would clue me in on what was
available to the jury.
Many times, trials are won on what a jury is prevented from seeing,
hearing, reading ... rather than tangible evidence presented to them ...
multiple examples of this exist.
I know what I think after viewing the video and examining what ever I
can find of government claims ...
Regards,
JS
Kevin Alfred Strom
[...]
> Funny how that video evidence didn't
> make an impression on the Texas jury that
> heard the civil case. Or the Republican
> judge that presided over the criminal one.
> Or the Republican-led Danforth Commission.
>
> Are they all part of a Clinton
> conspiracy as well?
>
>
>
>
> Jury clears US over Waco deaths
>
> A Texas jury has ruled that the US Government was
> not to blame for the death of about 80 members of
> the Branch Davidian sect during the Waco stand-off
> with federal agents in 1993. About 100 survivors and
> relatives of the dead had sued the government for
> $675m, alleging that agents had used excessive force
> to end the 51-day siege.
> http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b10.html#jury
>
> PS: Waco is the most conservative city in the most
> conservative state with the most conservatives jurors.
>
And that's exactly why they rendered that preposterous -- and tragic
-- verdict.
There are a few wise conservatives of the old school still around,
and a few who have been awakened by harrowing personal experiences,
but I am afraid that most "conservatives" today practically worship
the Washington regime's military killing machine, and _actually
believe_ that FBI and ATF agents are honorable men who generally
tell the truth.
With every good wish,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
Mitchell Holman
email.me:
Funny how conservatives latch on to jury
verdicts as being definative proof of guilt-
but disregard them entirely when the jury
votes to acquit.
Why is that, do you think?
D Peter Maus
That's a phenomenon that's hardly limited to conservatives. Go back
a couple of months. Reread this newsgroup. You'll find both sides
seizing and discarding verdicts as proof with surprising ease.
The hard truth is that a jury verdict is a legal construct by which
the system operates to conclude an action. In truth, only the accused
really knows of what he or she is actually guilty.
>
>
>
>
>
John Smith
> ...
> Funny how conservatives latch on to jury
> verdicts as being definative proof of guilt-
> but disregard them entirely when the jury
> votes to acquit.
>
> Why is that, do you think?
Where else does evidence coalesce and create a picture of such
definition? Where else do witnesses assemble under one roof, with
evidence about some event? Unless, of course, you have been an eyewitness.
My gawd man, do you attempt to paint yourself a moron with the first
question?
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:35:16 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/21/2011 5:56 PM, zayton wrote:
>>
>>>> ...
>>>> That is just sick!
>>>
>>> You are sick.
>>> What you describe did not happen.
>>> ...
>>
>> You just can't start demolishing buildings with tanks and expect
>> electric lines and gas lines not to cause some problems, fires are one
>> of the great and probably dangers ...:
>
> Except that the survivors are unanimous that David Koresh ordered the
> compound immolated.
I think they forced to say that under great pressure and threat of
continued prosecution for their ties to the davidians ... if I were you,
I'd check what they are saying now ... after time, no matter what
attempts to hide it, the truth begins to leak out ... 9/11 is one example.
http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/
http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id263/pg1/index.html
The wrongful death suit, filed by survivors and surviving davidian
relatives and family are other examples of a criminal government denying
its' crimes against Americans.
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
John Smith
>> ...
>>> You just can't start demolishing buildings with tanks and expect
>>> electric lines and gas lines not to cause some problems, fires are one
>>> of the great and probably dangers ...:
>>
>> Except that the survivors are unanimous that David Koresh ordered the
>> compound immolated.
>
> It's not true, the US government set the buildings on fire, then poked
> holes in different corners of the walls, to make the 30 mile an hour
> winds blow the fire through out the building, the mowed down the
> church people trying to flee with sub machine guns fired from tanks,
> and used tanks to run over the dying men, women and children.
Absolutely, the documentary waco rules of engagement is a striking
weapon against disinformation, government lies, government criminals and
ignorace!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBlO8aRoFA
That is only 1 of 14 parts ... all are available as I write this, just
checked ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> "raven1"<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message news:ppe1r6p15qsug9mc5...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:51:21 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> The siege at Waco was unnecessary to begin with, and bungled badly,
>> but the blood is entirely on the hands of David Koresh. Sorry to burst
>> your kook bubble with a reality pin.
>
>
Absolutely, ravin' lunatics can get that way, yanno'?
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/23/2011 5:16 AM, slika wrote:
>> "raven1"<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message news:ppe1r6p15qsug9mc5...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:51:21 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> The siege at Waco was unnecessary to begin with, and bungled badly,
>>> but the blood is entirely on the hands of David Koresh. Sorry to burst
>>> your kook bubble with a reality pin.
>>
>> Ah, raven1 as compassionate as one can get...
>>
>
>Absolutely, ravin' lunatics can get that way, yanno'?
I have absolute compassion for victims like the Branch Davidians, who
were brainwashed by a sociopath. OTOH, I have nothing but contempt for
conspiracy kooks who attempt to rewrite history to suit their own
bizarre delusions.
John Smith
> ...
> I have absolute compassion for victims like the Branch Davidians, who
> were brainwashed by a sociopath. OTOH, I have nothing but contempt for
> conspiracy kooks who attempt to rewrite history to suit their own
> bizarre delusions.
Unfortunately, the video, and its' analysis by experts, only gives proof
to our military/police firing on victims of compound fleeing the fires,
and fires breaking out AFTER the buildings are under destruction by
tanks ... I am speaking of the Waco/Davidian video rules of engagement ...
It is quite obvious, the only real success flight of criminals involved
those fleeing the blind lady of justice!
Regards,
JS
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS
>>
> I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can still
> bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!
>
He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!
John Smith
9/11 was an inside job, 3000+ Americans bodies who were obliterated in
controlled demolitions carried out by factors in our own government, by
our own public servants.
Because we didn't demand truth and justice at the Waco Crimes, it has
only gotten worse and BIGGER.
If we don't fix it here, this will only revisit us in the future!
What next time, instead of thousands, like this time, next 10s of
thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions?
I say the line in the sand is drawn now ...
Regards,
JS
Bob S
And you're going to do what about it?
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twofeathers
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:29:37 -0700, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 4/23/2011 5:16 AM, slika wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:51:21 -0700, John Smith<win.co...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> The siege at Waco was unnecessary to begin with, and bungled badly,
> >>> but the blood is entirely on the hands of David Koresh. Sorry to burst
> >>> your kook bubble with a reality pin.
>
> >> Ah, raven1 as compassionate as one can get...
>
> >Absolutely, ravin' lunatics can get that way, yanno'?
>
> I have absolute compassion for victims like the Branch Davidians, who
> were brainwashed by a sociopath. OTOH, I have nothing but contempt for
> conspiracy kooks who attempt to rewrite history to suit their own
> bizarre delusions.
shit if you had been through what i went through as a kid in an indian
school, every church no matter what they were are targets.
dxAce
twofeathers wrote:
Where did you attend school?
John Smith
>> ...
>>>> Ah, raven1 as compassionate as one can get...
>>
>>> Absolutely, ravin' lunatics can get that way, yanno'?
>>
>> I have absolute compassion for victims like the Branch Davidians, who
>> were brainwashed by a sociopath. OTOH, I have nothing but contempt for
>> conspiracy kooks who attempt to rewrite history to suit their own
>> bizarre delusions.
>
> shit if you had been through what i went through as a kid in an indian
> school, every church no matter what they were are targets.
In the end, wisemen know that American government only kills its
enemies, it is in bed with its' criminal friends.
And, the devil feeds on dead burnt bodies ...
Regards,
JS
Fergo
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS" <josego...@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:d43ba54f-29d6-4fc0...@a21g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could have
left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted to rape
one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
RHF
- - He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids
- - and not a damn thing was done to him and our
- - useless corporate media supported himi!!!
.
- On Apr 25, 1:23 am, "Fergo" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
- It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die.
FACT : It Was The FBI and BATF That Did The Killing
with SWAT Teams using Military Equipment Targeting
and Killing Innocent US Citizens : Women and Children.
.
- The rest could have left at any time.
FACT : Surrounded and Trapped : Held Under Siege
Inside the Compound by the FBI and BATF SWAT
Teams using Military Equipment. against Innocent
US Citizens : Women and Children.
.
- Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
- to rape one.
FACT : Never Proven -cause- the FBI and BATF
SWAT Teams using Military Equipment Killed
Koresh and All the Innocent Children.
.
- He split up families,
? Where Is That Proven in Court !
-oops- You Can't -cause- the FBI and BATF SWAT
Teams using Military Equipment Killed the Families :
Including Innocent Women and Children
.
- he was a cult leader.
? Where Is That Proven in Court !
-oops- You Can't -cause- the FBI and BATF SWAT
Teams using Military Equipment Killed Koresh.
.
CONCLUSION : So the FBI and BATF SWAT Teams
using Military Equipment Killing the alleged Child
Molester and the Children {Victims} that were
Molested is the Answer !
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
.
TRUTH IS : Liberal Secularists Who Preach 'Big
Government Knows Best' {Excessive Government
Controls} routinely Target, Threaten, Harass, Imprison
and Kill Christian Believers and Persons-of-Faith.
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
.
The Waco Massacre was just once incident of Big
Government Liberal Secularists 'Kill-All' in the Hate
for Persons-of-Faith {Believers}.
-read- Waco Massacre - 1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege
About the US Government's War on Christians
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/doc/x98_rev.html
-again- The WACO Branch Davidian Massacre
http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html
http://www.constitution.org/waco/mtcarmel.htm
Note : The FBI and BATF using Military Tactics,
Vehicles and Weapons against trapped Christians.
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
.
WACO 74 Dead Burnt Bodies Including 17 Children
are Remembered !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fd1d35e8ff18193d
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
.
The Branch Davidian Massacre : The Waco Siege
and Mass Murder of 76 Human Beings . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0a0a85feaf4a00e1
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
* US Citizens with Basic American Human Rights
Against Tanks, Armored Vehicles and Para-Military
Troops of the US Federal Government.
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
-fyi- SWAT Team Training and above is Para-Military
Training and a group of Para-Military Trained FBI
and BATF {LEOs} is a Para-Military Unit {Team}
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
* ?WHY? Did the US Federal Government Declare
WAR On ? The Branch Davidian [DAVID'ian] and
off-shoot of the Seventh Day Adventist {Christian}
Church -why- -why- -why- -why- -why- -why- -why-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
* Followed by a Cover-Up and Manufactured Facts :
Trumped-Up Charges and Un-Proven Allegations
After the Massacre
http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
* FBI and BATF Killing the very Victims {Children}
that claim they came to 'protect'.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/739085eab2d4af14
-the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
-by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
.
.
NOTE : IF Guns and Churches are a NO NO and a
Domestic Terrorist Issue for the DHS, FBI and BATF :
Then Why Isn't Each and Every Islamic Mosque with a
Muslim 'Members Only' [AK-47] Gun Club being Attack
and Invaded like Waco ? -oops-another-inconvenient-truth-
-for-liberal-secularists-who-hate-christians-to-deal-with-
.
.
and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
.
.
Mitchell Holman
news:NIKdnVRc587hsijQ...@westnet.com.au:
Far from the Davidians being "trapped" in the
compound they could leave any time. In fact that
is why there are survivors. They are the ones
just walked out, unharmed.
FRIDAY, MARCH 19:
Two Davidians, Brad BRANCH and Kevin WHITECLIFF, come
out of the compound.
SATURDAY, MARCH 20:
Another Davidian, Rita RIDDLE, comes out of the compound.
SUNDAY, MARCH 21:
At 12:15 a.m., two more women, Victorine HOLLINGSWORTH and
Annetta RICHARDS, exit the compound. Rita RIDDLE, Gladys
OTTMAN, Sheila MARTIN, James LAWTON, and Ofelia SANTOYA
come out.
TUESDAY, MARCH 23:
At 10:05 a.m., Livingstone FAGAN leaves the compound
twofeathers
indian school in harmon ok, and an indian school in normal ill. both
run by catholics and us government
Mitchell Holman
7a6dab...@z27g2000prz.googlegroups.com:
> - - On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - - He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids
> - - and not a damn thing was done to him and our
> - - useless corporate media supported himi!!!
> .
> - On Apr 25, 1:23 am, "Fergo" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> - It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die.
>
> FACT : It Was The FBI and BATF That Did The Killing
> with SWAT Teams using Military Equipment Targeting
> and Killing Innocent US Citizens : Women and Children.
The agency heads of both FBI and ATF at
the time were Reagan appointees. How does
that fit into your "liberal secularists" rant?
> .
> - The rest could have left at any time.
>
> FACT : Surrounded and Trapped : Held Under Siege
> Inside the Compound by the FBI and BATF SWAT
> Teams using Military Equipment. against Innocent
> US Citizens : Women and Children.
FRIDAY, MARCH 19:
Two Davidians, Brad BRANCH and Kevin WHITECLIFF, come
out of the compound.
SATURDAY, MARCH 20:
Another Davidian, Rita RIDDLE, comes out of the compound.
SUNDAY, MARCH 21:
At 12:15 a.m., two more women, Victorine HOLLINGSWORTH and
Annetta RICHARDS, exit the compound. Rita RIDDLE, Gladys
OTTMAN, Sheila MARTIN, James LAWTON, and Ofelia SANTOYA
come out.
TUESDAY, MARCH 23:
At 10:05 a.m., Livingstone FAGAN leaves the compound
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/timeline3.html
Seems a steady stream of people were leaving the
compound peacefully. Why didn't the "women and
children" join them?
> .
> CONCLUSION : So the FBI and BATF SWAT Teams
> using Military Equipment Killing the alleged Child
> Molester and the Children {Victims} that were
> Molested is the Answer !
> -the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
> -by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
> .
> TRUTH IS : Liberal Secularists Who Preach 'Big
> Government Knows Best' {Excessive Government
> Controls} routinely Target, Threaten, Harass, Imprison
> and Kill Christian Believers and Persons-of-Faith.
> -the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
> -by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
> .
Heavens Gate, Jonestown, Waco - the list of
religious fanatics committing group suicide is
well known, they don't need "excessive government"
to spark the martyrdom they seek.
cuh...@webtv.net
fed govt set that building on Fire!
cuhulin
Sanders Kaufman
> Heavens Gate, Jonestown, Waco - the list of
> religious fanatics committing group suicide is
> well known, they don't need "excessive government"
> to spark the martyrdom they seek.
It's like I always say- religionists just LOVE playing the victim.
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
>
> Commie fed govt Pumped Gas into the Branch Davidians building and Commie
> fed govt set that building on Fire!
> cuhulin
The survivors say differently.
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
John Smith
We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.
The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
escape, alive!
We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
interests ...
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>
>We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
>crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
>and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.
The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.
>The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
>escape, alive!
Why not?
>We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
>interests ...
Who did you have in mind?
John Smith
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:41:49 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>>
>> We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
>> crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
>> and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.
>
> The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.
>
Yeah, why would they ever hesitate about telling the truth, after
watching 78 of them mass murdered by the government ... I think all here
can see the validity of your insane text ... I didn't ignore it the
first time, I just could not believe you wanted me to respond to your
insane remark and embarrass you ...
>> The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
>> escape, alive!
>
> Why not?
>
Why do governments worldwide slaughter their own citizens ... or, have
you even noticed it going on?
I am sure the government will throw open all their records to you
though, if you ask nicely, they don't hide anything, do they? Why don't
you ask them and get back to us here?
>> We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
>> interests ...
>
> Who did you have in mind?
President on down to local officials ...
Regards,
JS
Kevin Alfred Strom
I think that Koresh and his followers believed some crazy things.
But it's not illegal or punishable to believe in anything you choose
-- nor should it be.
I don't believe Koresh ordered the deaths of his church members. But
even if you _do_ believe that accusation, ask yourself this question:
Which is the more dangerous cult? Which cult has killed more people
in its "cause"? The belief system that says that David Koresh
embodied all that was good and right? Or the belief system that says
modern American "democracy" embodies all that is good and right?
With all good wishes,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
John Smith
> ...
> I think that Koresh and his followers believed some crazy things. But
> it's not illegal or punishable to believe in anything you choose -- nor
> should it be.
>
> I don't believe Koresh ordered the deaths of his church members. But
> even if you _do_ believe that accusation, ask yourself this question:
>
> Which is the more dangerous cult? Which cult has killed more people in
> its "cause"? The belief system that says that David Koresh embodied all
> that was good and right? Or the belief system that says modern American
> "democracy" embodies all that is good and right?
>
>
> With all good wishes,
>
>
> Kevin Alfred Strom.
The most dangerous cults are those whose members consist of republicrats
and democans ... the God they worship is money, power, wealth and
inflicting pain and suffering on those which they perceive as their
enemies ... while difficult to name such an organization who attempts to
keep its' name hidden, and, as much as possible, its' criminal
activities hidden ... shadow government should be a fitting name.
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/25/2011 12:26 PM, raven1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:41:49 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>>>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>>>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>>>
>>> We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
>>> crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
>>> and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.
>>
>> The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.
>>
>
>Yeah, why would they ever hesitate about telling the truth, after
>watching 78 of them mass murdered by the government ...
Or by their deranged cult leader, whose preaching focused on an
immanent Apocalypse.
> I think all here
>can see the validity of your insane text ... I didn't ignore it the
>first time, I just could not believe you wanted me to respond to your
>insane remark and embarrass you ...
The only person you are in a position to embarass is yourself, by
spouting this crackpot revisionist history.
>>> The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
>>> escape, alive!
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>
>Why do governments worldwide slaughter their own citizens ... or, have
>you even noticed it going on?
They normally have readily apparent reasons, whether justified or not.
What was the purported motive here?
>I am sure the government will throw open all their records to you
>though, if you ask nicely, they don't hide anything, do they? Why don't
>you ask them and get back to us here?
IOW, you can't actually provide a credible motive. Nice unintentional
admission.
>>> We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
>>> interests ...
>>
>> Who did you have in mind?
>
>President on down to local officials ...
No, whose interests do you think they are serving? The Illuminati? The
Freemasons? The Trilateral Commission? That old standby, the Jews?
Please, enlighten everyone.
John Smith
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:37:54 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2011 12:26 PM, raven1 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:41:49 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>>>>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>>>>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>>>>
>>>> We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
>>>> crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
>>>> and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.
>>>
>>> The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, why would they ever hesitate about telling the truth, after
>> watching 78 of them mass murdered by the government ...
>
> Or by their deranged cult leader, whose preaching focused on an
> immanent Apocalypse.
>
Preaching bullshit is no crime. Murdering people is. I know this might
be shocking to people who would have us do away with free speech.
>> I think all here
>> can see the validity of your insane text ... I didn't ignore it the
>> first time, I just could not believe you wanted me to respond to your
>> insane remark and embarrass you ...
>
> The only person you are in a position to embarass is yourself, by
> spouting this crackpot revisionist history.
>
The same was being said at the very time the Waco massacres were going
on ... a search on the way back engine should produce ample evidence of
this.
>>>> The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
>>>> escape, alive!
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>
>> Why do governments worldwide slaughter their own citizens ... or, have
>> you even noticed it going on?
>
> They normally have readily apparent reasons, whether justified or not.
> What was the purported motive here?
>
Really? Sick psychotic murders frequently baffle even the most astute
psychiatrists as to their motives ... often you find these sickos as
dictators of nations ...
>> I am sure the government will throw open all their records to you
>> though, if you ask nicely, they don't hide anything, do they? Why don't
>> you ask them and get back to us here?
>
> IOW, you can't actually provide a credible motive. Nice unintentional
> admission.
>
Random senseless murders are done for many reasons, some easy to scam up
a motive for, some not ... just the sheer show of force and being able
to get away with the mass murder helps the government subdue the
populations girly-men and powder-puff-bull-dykes. Not to mention that
unstable personalities enjoy murder for the sake of sheer murder ... if
you are powerful in government, you have henchmen do it for you, as
sadam and his sones, and libyas' ruler are accused of ... for recent
examples. These sickos find positions in our government just as good as
a platform as foreign governments.
>>>> We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
>>>> interests ...
>>>
>>> Who did you have in mind?
>>
>> President on down to local officials ...
>
> No, whose interests do you think they are serving? The Illuminati? The
> Freemasons? The Trilateral Commission? That old standby, the Jews?
> Please, enlighten everyone.
Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>
>
koresh was frequently in town and away from the compound on business.
Slipping set a of cuffs on him and taking him to court would have been a
LOT cheaper on tax payers. Personally, I think much more money is owed
in resitution to the victims families and surviving victims. Criminals
are usually loathe to own up to their debts and crimes ...
I don't think the events were any different than those which were planed
for public servants working in someones, or some groups best interests.
Whatever koresh had, or had not done will always remain a mystery, our
public servants crimes forever before the people.
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Most false flag operations perpetrated on ignorant American citizens by
the criminal treasonous public servants result in murder, death and
destruction ...
These tactics are highly productive in advancing the police state, loss
of freedoms, rights and liberties. The government molestations at
airports, the nazi homeland security, the illegal tapping of Americans
communications, etc. bear amply proof to the success of these criminal
tactics and actions ...
I believe the wise now stand in horror and cringe at what will probably
be the scope, death and maiming of victims as they keep up these false
flag operations to intimidate the masses and expand the police state ...
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/25/2011 1:23 AM, Fergo wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
>> <josego...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d43ba54f-29d6-4fc0...@a21g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can still
>>>> bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!
>>>>
>>> He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
>>> was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!
>>
>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>
>koresh was frequently in town and away from the compound on business.
>Slipping set a of cuffs on him and taking him to court would have been a
>LOT cheaper on tax payers.
Yes it would have. Heads should have rolled over that.
> Personally, I think much more money is owed
>in resitution to the victims families and surviving victims. Criminals
>are usually loathe to own up to their debts and crimes ...
>
>I don't think the events were any different than those which were planed
>for public servants working in someones, or some groups best interests.
>
>Whatever koresh had, or had not done will always remain a mystery,
Hardly. His surviving followers talk quite ope
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/25/2011 1:23 AM, Fergo wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
>> <josego...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d43ba54f-29d6-4fc0...@a21g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can still
>>>> bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!
>>>>
>>> He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
>>> was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!
>>
>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>
>koresh was frequently in town and away from the compound on business.
>Slipping set a of cuffs on him and taking him to court would have been a
>LOT cheaper on tax payers.
Absolutely. Heads should have rolled over that.
>Personally, I think much more money is owed
>in resitution to the victims families and surviving victims. Criminals
>are usually loathe to own up to their debts and crimes ...
>
>I don't think the events were any different than those which were planed
>for public servants working in someones, or some groups best interests.
>
>Whatever koresh had, or had not done will always remain a mystery
Hardly. His surviving followers are quite open about their time with
Koresh.
RHF
> In article <16802-4DB58909-1...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>,
> cuhu...@webtv.net says...
>
>
>
> > Commie fed govt Pumped Gas into the Branch Davidians building and Commie
> > fed govt set that building on Fire!
> > cuhulin
>
> The survivors say differently.
While the 74 Dead Burnt Bodies at WACO which
Included 17 Innocent Children =Scream= The US
Federal Government Killed Us It's Citizens !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/515fd0134b63d847
NOTE : The very Innocent Children that the US
Federal Government Claims It Was Their To Protect !
.
The 18th Anniversary of the WACO Massacre :
The Unprovoked Attack by the FBI & BATF; The
Month Long Siege and Massacre of a Christian
Church Full of Innocent Women and Children
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/515fd0134b63d847
.
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/25/2011 1:07 PM, raven1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:37:54 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/25/2011 12:26 PM, raven1 wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:41:49 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>>>>>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>>>>>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>>>>>
>>>>> We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
>>>>> crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
>>>>> and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.
>>>>
>>>> The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, why would they ever hesitate about telling the truth, after
>>> watching 78 of them mass murdered by the government ...
>>
>> Or by their deranged cult leader, whose preaching focused on an
>> immanent Apocalypse.
>>
>
>Preaching bullshit is no crime.
Of course it isn't. Just curious, though: you don't see a connection
here between Koresh's Apocalyptic preaching, and what his followers
say were his actions at the end of the siege?
> Murdering people is. I know this might
>be shocking to people who would have us do away with free speech.
Who advocated doing away with free speech?
>>> I think all here
>>> can see the validity of your insane text ... I didn't ignore it the
>>> first time, I just could not believe you wanted me to respond to your
>>> insane remark and embarrass you ...
>>
>> The only person you are in a position to embarass is yourself, by
>> spouting this crackpot revisionist history.
>>
>
>The same was being said at the very time the Waco massacres were going
>on ... a search on the way back engine should produce ample evidence of
>this.
Sorry, but the only massacre perpetrated was by David Koresh against
his own followers.
>>>>> The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
>>>>> escape, alive!
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do governments worldwide slaughter their own citizens ... or, have
>>> you even noticed it going on?
>>
>> They normally have readily apparent reasons, whether justified or not.
>> What was the purported motive here?
>>
>
>Really?
Yes, really.
>Sick psychotic murders frequently baffle even the most astute
>psychiatrists as to their motives ... often you find these sickos as
>dictators of nations ...
IOW, you can't provide any sort of motive for the purported actions of
the Government, yet somehow it's them, and not a classic loon like
Koresh, who perpetrated the massacre.
Yeah, that's credible.
>>> I am sure the government will throw open all their records to you
>>> though, if you ask nicely, they don't hide anything, do they? Why don't
>>> you ask them and get back to us here?
>>
>> IOW, you can't actually provide a credible motive. Nice unintentional
>> admission.
>>
>
>Random senseless murders are done for many reasons, some easy to scam up
>a motive for, some not ... just the sheer show of force and being able
>to get away with the mass murder helps the government subdue the
>populations girly-men and powder-puff-bull-dykes. Not to mention that
>unstable personalities enjoy murder for the sake of sheer murder ... if
>you are powerful in government, you have henchmen do it for you, as
>sadam and his sones, and libyas' ruler are accused of ... for recent
>examples. These sickos find positions in our government just as good as
>a platform as foreign governments.
Wow. Paranoid much?
>>>>> We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
>>>>> interests ...
>>>>
>>>> Who did you have in mind?
>>>
>>> President on down to local officials ...
>>
>> No, whose interests do you think they are serving? The Illuminati? The
>> Freemasons? The Trilateral Commission? That old standby, the Jews?
>> Please, enlighten everyone.
>
>Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!
Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up here: you're
positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).
Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?
John Smith
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:32:16 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2011 1:23 AM, Fergo wrote:
>>>
>>>
The court hearing(s) and trials on all this are nothing short of
criminal, a sham, a joke ... I am sorry, I find any testimony given by
the victimized surviors of no value, besides having gone though the
horror of watching their friends and family murdered, I can only guess
at what threats and/or monetary "compensations" have been offered, by
the criminals.
I am afraid we must agree to disagree on what is real, possible,
probable and truth ...
The bulldozing and destruction of the crime scene, immediately after, is
something which would bring normal criminals under high scrutiny.
I said what I meant, koresh and the intentions of the davidians will
always be under a shroud of mystery -- our public servants illegal use
of the military and their crimes are simply a matter of record.
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
>> Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!
>
> Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up here: you're
> positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
> discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
> vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
> preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
> immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).
>
> Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?
>
Really?
To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...
Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
this humorous ... but sad.
Regards,
JS
RHF
> RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in news:2e2d4f80-bb31-4902-9712-
> 7a6dab04c...@z27g2000prz.googlegroups.com:
>
> > - - On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > - - He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids
> > - - and not a damn thing was done to him and our
> > - - useless corporate media supported himi!!!
> > .
> > - On Apr 25, 1:23 am, "Fergo" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > - It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die.
>
> > FACT : It Was The FBI and BATF That Did The Killing
> > with SWAT Teams using Military Equipment Targeting
> > and Killing Innocent US Citizens : Women and Children.
- The agency heads of both FBI and ATF at
- the time were Reagan appointees. How does
- that fit into your "liberal secularists" rant?
Matters NOT : Murderous Assassins are Still Killers
NOTE : Trying To Blame Reagan Instead of Clinton/Reno
-remember- That Clinton/Reno Gave "The Orders"
-and- Reagan Was In a Hospital Bed By Then -you-lose-
.
> > .
> > - The rest could have left at any time.
>
> > FACT : Surrounded and Trapped : Held Under Siege
> > Inside the Compound by the FBI and BATF SWAT
> > Teams using Military Equipment. against Innocent
> > US Citizens : Women and Children.
- FRIDAY, MARCH 19:
- Two Davidians, Brad BRANCH and Kevin WHITECLIFF, come
- out of the compound.
-
- SATURDAY, MARCH 20:
- Another Davidian, Rita RIDDLE, comes out of the compound.
-
- SUNDAY, MARCH 21:
- At 12:15 a.m., two more women, Victorine HOLLINGSWORTH and
- Annetta RICHARDS, exit the compound. Rita RIDDLE, Gladys
- OTTMAN, Sheila MARTIN, James LAWTON, and Ofelia SANTOYA
- come out.
All FORCE To Repeat The US Government Cover-Story
-or- Face Prison -or- Internment in a Mental Facility
-if- They Told The Truth
.
- TUESDAY, MARCH 23:
- At 10:05 a.m., Livingstone FAGAN leaves the compound
-
- http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/timeline3.html
The Cover-Story Concocted By The US Government and
Promoted by PBS the Paid Media Mouth-Piece {Agency}
of the Government.
.
- Seems a steady stream of people were leaving the
- compound peacefully. Why didn't the "women and
- children" join them?
OUT-OF-FEAR of the Un-Godly {Secular} US Government
Attacking Them With Brain Washing; and Threats of
Prison; Splitting-Up Their Families and Forced Them
Into Secular Re-Education Programs
.
> > .
> > CONCLUSION : So the FBI and BATF SWAT Teams
> > using Military Equipment Killing the alleged Child
> > Molester and the Children {Victims} that were
> > Molested is the Answer !
> > -the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
> > -by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
> > .
> > TRUTH IS : Liberal Secularists Who Preach 'Big
> > Government Knows Best' {Excessive Government
> > Controls} routinely Target, Threaten, Harass, Imprison
> > and Kill Christian Believers and Persons-of-Faith.
> > -the-terror-against-believers-the-killings-of-persons-of-faith-
> > -by-big-government-liberal-secularists-on-christians-
> > .
- Heavens Gate, Jonestown, Waco - the list of
- religious fanatics committing group suicide is
- well known, they don't need "excessive government"
- to spark the martyrdom they seek.
.
So now you are Claiming WACO was "Assisted Suicide"
at the Hands of the US Government.
-suicide-by-fbi-or-suicide-by-batf-
NAH - WACO WAS MURDER !
WACO was Not Jonestown -cause- The FBI and BATF
Did Not Kill Women and Children at Jonestown like they
did at WACO !
WACO was Not Heavens Gate -cause- The FBI and BATF
Did Not Kill Women and Children -wrt- Heavens Gate {UFO
'Spacers' Cult} like they did at WACO !
.
The 74 Dead Burnt Bodies at WACO which Included
RHF
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 04:21:15 -0700 (PDT), RHF
>
> <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >- Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
> >- to rape one.
- Considerable FIRST HAND testimony from Davidiots
- who left before Koresh roasted them all.
All FORCE To Repeat The US Government Cover-Story
-or- Face Prison -or- Internment in a Mental Facility
-if- They Told The Truth
.
- The witnesses (even currently) have said Koresh
- was screwing ALL the women, including the 12 yr
- old "wife" he took
All FORCE To Repeat The US Government Cover-Story
-or- Face Prison -or- Internment in a Mental Facility
-if- They Told The Truth
.
The 74 Dead Burnt Bodies at WACO which Included
17 Innocent Children =Scream= The US Federal
Government Killed Us It's Citizens !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/515fd0134b63d847
NOTE : The very Innocent Children that the US
Federal Government Claims It Was Their To Protect !
.
The 18th Anniversary of the WACO Massacre :
The Unprovoked Attack by the FBI & BATF; The
Month Long Siege and Massacre of a Christian
Church Full of Innocent Women and Children
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/515fd0134b63d847
.
.
> >=============================================================
>
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT), Kurtis T. Nicklas of
> 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC 27244-9372"
>
> <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >I don't pay much attention to him these days, but I'd wager he's not
> >happy.
>
> You sure as shit paid attention when you got caught
> making all those late-night hang-up phone calls, didn't
> ya, Nickkkkers?
>
> CLICK ! ! !
RHF
> "Fergo" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:NIKdnVRc587hsijQ...@westnet.com.au:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
-source- "PBS" : That's the Cover-Story Concocted By
The US Government and Promoted as 'The-Truth' by
PBS the Paid Media Mouth-Piece {Agency} of the US
Government. -the-big-lie- -the-big-lie- -the-big-lie-
John Smith
> ...
> - The agency heads of both FBI and ATF at
> - the time were Reagan appointees. How does
> - that fit into your "liberal secularists" rant?
>
> Matters NOT : Murderous Assassins are Still Killers
>> ...
Yes, and fits my rants like the proper key into a lock!
republicrats or democans, all you can count on is the same-old-same-old ...
Ron Paul for 2012, a hidden libertarian!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> So Ron Paul would allow people to ignore firearms law and murder federal
> officers?
>
Did you know Bill Clintons mother was a prostitute?
http://prorevnews.blogspot.com/2011/04/recovered-history-next-stop-after-hope.html
Are you just pretending to be an idiot unable to stay on subject and
relevance, or is that the best your are capable of?
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
RHF
oliver.com> wrote:
> On 4/25/2011 2:41 PM, John Smith wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/25/2011 1:23 AM, Fergo wrote:
>
> >> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
FACT : FBI fired more than Four Hundred 40mm CS Gas
Shells containing CS Powder through the walls and all
windows of the Mr. Carmel Church.
http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/enforce/waco/fire/cs_gas.html
THAT'S FIVE [5] CS GAS SHELLS PER DAVIDIAN KILLED
MOST DIED FROM CS GAS ASPHYXIA NOT THE FIRE
AND 'OTHER CAUSES.
NOTE : No Smoke [Particles} in Their Lungs and High
Levels [Dealy] of CS Gas Components in their Lungs
and Blood; including Hydrogen Cyanide.
http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/cs1.html
ALSO : During that same time, it also pumped CS Powder*
from Military Tanks into the building.
http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/cs1.html
* Actually a Deadly Combination of CS Gas and MC
(Methylene Chloride) which when it Burns produces
Hydrogen Cyanide Gas thus Creating a Gas [Death]
Chamber fro all those Trapped and Killed inside the
Buildings.
http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter9/waco.html
The Davidians Were In-Fact 'Gassed-To-Death' [Auschwitz]
The FBI and BATF Used the Most CS Gas Ever Used On
Any Group of US Civilians in History : Turning WACO into
an "Extermination Compound" for the Christians that were
Trapped and Killed inside it.
.
THE TRUTH : The FBI At First Tried To Conceal [Hide] and
Cover-Up It's Use of CS Gas at WACO -now-we-know-why-
http://articles.cnn.com/1999-09-01/politics/fbi.waco_1_gas-canisters-fbi-headquarters-cs-gas?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
Mitchell Holman
news:adca6e4c-2842-487e...@e25g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> On Apr 25, 5:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Fergo" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> innews:NIKdnVRc587hsijQnZ2dnUVZ_hcAAAA
> A...@westnet.com.au:
Tell us how the Waco survivors survived, if not
by just walking out unharmed.
John Smith
> ...
> Tell us how the Waco survivors survived, if not
> by just walking out unharmed.
>
Show of force by police and illegal military force, possible/probably
harm to children, intimidation, etc.
How does any criminal subdue and subjugate his victims?
It is at the very base of the crimes being discussed! They must first
do this before commencing with the actual display of violence and
destruction.
Regards,
JS
Mitchell Holman
news:ip4pdq$9lo$6...@dont-email.me:
The same Ron Paul who got NOWHERE in the 2008 primary.
Expect even less for him next year.
Mitchell Holman
651964...@z27g2000prz.googlegroups.com:
Tell us your version of how the Waco survivors
survived, if not by just walking out of the compound
unharmed.
cuh...@webtv.net
(he is a retired Air Force Colonel) if he uses Comcast.In his exact
words, he said, HELL NO!
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
You trying to play games or something?
cuhulin
pyjamarama
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 04:21:15 -0700 (PDT), RHF
>
> <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >- to rape one.
>
> Considerable FIRST HAND testimony from Davidiots who left before
> Koresh roasted them all.
>
> The witnesses (even currently) have said Koresh was screwing ALL the
> women, including the 12 yr old "wife" he took
So you're saying the ATF should have burned your HUD-owned hovel to
the ground after they read the post describing your forced oral
copulation of a child?
You know, THIS one:
"You're like that kid that has just been told that's not a hot-dog
he's sucking on" -- Gary Roselles, Pedophile, admits forcing oral
copulation on a child
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fcf8198215ac03f2?as_ums
John Smith
> In article<ip4qun$l06$1...@dont-email.me>, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2011 2:39 PM, China Blue Veins wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> So Ron Paul would allow people to ignore firearms law and murder federal
>>> officers?
>>>
>>
>> Did you know Bill Clintons mother was a prostitute?
>
>
No. I can see that, she probably was no competition for your mother ...
>> Are you just pretending to be an idiot unable to stay on subject and
>> relevance, or is that the best your are capable of?
>
> You mean the subject is not how David Koresh resisted a search warrant with
> deadly force and thus provoked the use of deadly force to arrest people who
> murderred federal officers?
>
> Or are you claiming it's all Clinton's mother's fault for corrupting Koresh and
> Paul?
>
I'd say those federal pukes should have taken the warning serious! They
might from here on out ... if they learned anything at all. I don't
think koresh broke any laws at all repelling a home invasion ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
They were afraid that might be found out ... they completely bulldozed
the crime scene, destroying all possible evidence ... still they were
gas grenades and such found in the rubble ... on a 9/11 scale, that was
probably a 1 - 2, if you take into account property and lives
lost/destroyed ...
If we don't get this criminal system fixed this time, just imagine the
scale the next one will be, the loss of property and life ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> So you're saying the ATF should have burned your HUD-owned hovel to
> the ground after they read the post describing your forced oral
> copulation of a child?
> ...
If a large enough number of innocent bystanders died also, and it
involved the illegal/criminal use of the military against citizens ...
maybe that would have been sufficient ...
But, that was back then, next one needs to top 9/11!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
>>>
>>
>> No. I can see that, she probably was no competition for your mother ...
>
> Is that the best you can do? What's next? 'Your momma wears combat boots'?
>
>
>> I'd say those federal pukes should have taken the warning serious! They
>> might from here on out ... if they learned anything at all. I don't
>> think koresh broke any laws at all repelling a home invasion ...
>
> So that how constitutional scholar like you interprets the Fourth Amendment?
>
No. Lawyers are generally crooks, the current "interpretations" of law
almost demands it.
If you think there is any difference to a cop(s) doing a home invasion
or a crook doing a home invasion, you are a MORON!
Fools who have no respect for themselves, their property, or their
rights, have no right in asking me to have any for them, their rights or
their property!
If a cop hears a gun going off in my home, or someone yelling from a sex
torture chamber in my basement, it's NOT an invasion ... indeed, it
means I am in trouble!
You fool ...
Regards,
JS
fergo
"Mitchell Holman" <nom...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9ED24CC2E35E3...@216.196.121.131...
> "Fergo" <fer...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:NIKdnVRc587hsijQ...@westnet.com.au:
>
>>
>>
>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
>> <josego...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d43ba54f-29d6-4fc0...@a21g2000prj.googlegroups.com.
>> ..
>>> On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can
>>>> still bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!
>>>>
>>> He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
>>> was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!
>>
>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest
>> could have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and
>> attempted to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>>
>>
>
>
> Far from the Davidians being "trapped" in the
> compound they could leave any time. In fact that
> is why there are survivors. They are the ones
> just walked out, unharmed.
>
>
Yep and because Koresh could have sent those children away he is just as at
fault as the FBI were.
>
> FRIDAY, MARCH 19:
> Two Davidians, Brad BRANCH and Kevin WHITECLIFF, come
> out of the compound.
>
> SATURDAY, MARCH 20:
> Another Davidian, Rita RIDDLE, comes out of the compound.
>
> SUNDAY, MARCH 21:
> At 12:15 a.m., two more women, Victorine HOLLINGSWORTH and
> Annetta RICHARDS, exit the compound. Rita RIDDLE, Gladys
> OTTMAN, Sheila MARTIN, James LAWTON, and Ofelia SANTOYA
> come out.
>
> TUESDAY, MARCH 23:
> At 10:05 a.m., Livingstone FAGAN leaves the compound
>
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/timeline3.html
>
>
>
>
>
fergo
"John Smith" <win....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ip4f9k$7gi$3...@dont-email.me...
> On 4/25/2011 1:23 AM, Fergo wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
>> <josego...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d43ba54f-29d6-4fc0...@a21g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can still
>>>> bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!
>>>>
>>> He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
>>> was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!
>>
>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>
> We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
> crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
> and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.
>
> The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
> escape, alive!
>
> We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
> interests ...
>
Rubbish, he could have let them arrest him on day 1 and none of the deaths
would have happened. Instead he let his brainwashed followers of the cult
die.
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/25/2011 2:11 PM, raven1 wrote:
>
>>> ...
>>> Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!
>>
>> Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up here: you're
>> positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
>> discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
>> vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
>> preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
>> immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).
>>
>> Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?
>>
>
>Really?
Yes, actually.
>To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
>life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...
And you think which was the motive here?
raven1
wrote:
>The court hearing(s) and trials on all this are nothing short of
>criminal, a sham, a joke ... I am sorry, I find any testimony given by
>the victimized surviors of no value,
I'm sorry you discount the testimony of people who were actually there
for the speculation of people who weren't.
> besides having gone though the
>horror of watching their friends and family murdered, I can only guess
>at what threats and/or monetary "compensations" have been offered, by
>the criminals.
That's the first problem with conspiracy theories: they're typically
long on guesses, and short on actual evidence...
>I am afraid we must agree to disagree on what is real, possible,
>probable and truth ...
...and that's the second problem: way too often, conspiracy theorists
don't seem to recognize much of a disticntion between "possible",
"probable", and "true".
>
>The bulldozing and destruction of the crime scene, immediately after, is
>something which would bring normal criminals under high scrutiny.
>
>I said what I meant, koresh and the intentions of the davidians will
>always be under a shroud of mystery -- our public servants illegal use
>of the military and their crimes are simply a matter of record.
>
>Regards,
>JS
cuh...@webtv.net
About two something weeks ago, somebody at
http://www.libertypost.org
said Hillary Clinton made the decision.
If the feds wanted to arrest David Koresh, why didn't they do it when he
went to town? They were there.They easily could have arrested him right
there and then.
cuhulin
John Smith
>> ...
> Yep and because Koresh could have sent those children away he is just as
> at fault as the FBI were.
> ...
Only an absolute fool would make a moronic statement like that, stop
drinking the water.
koresh was qualified to set up a commune and a rebel adventist church.
I expect much out of my public servant in the presidents office and who
he/she appoints. I expect more of my military, they know better. I
expect more of my sheriff and police, etc.
And, any fool who misses those importances' need to take up residence in
a 3rd world country ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>
> And you think which was the motive here?
>
My original answer, moron.
obamas birth certificate is NO CONSPIRACY, it is hidden, obama will tell
you why, himself:
“"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with
something to hide." -- barack obama (barry soetoro)
9/11 is scientific fact, thermite in the dust, free fall speeds, all
three buildings falling into their own footprints, tons of molten iron
in the basements.
If only one of those things were breaking the laws of physics, perhaps a
claim of "conspiracy" could be provoke.
With the total overwhelming abundance of evidence and truth, 9/11 is NO
CONSPIRACY -- IT IS SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Political science is not acceptable in the crime of controlled demolition!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
>> We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
>> interests ...
>>
> Rubbish, he could have let them arrest him on day 1 and none of the
> deaths would have happened. Instead he let his brainwashed followers of
> the cult die.
>
>
They are heroes and patriots. And, while their sacrifices are horrible,
possibly necessary, it make the criminal nature of our public servants
to be placed high for all to see and their crimes made obvious. Because
to them, we all were highly awake and aware when 9/11 was perpetrated on
Americans.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood
of patriots and tyrants. ... God forbid we should ever be twenty years
without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if
their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve
the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson to
William Stephens Smith, 1787
Some would rather die free and upholding their freedoms, rights and
liberties and this makes our pussy public servants piss their pants ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>>> ...
>>> Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?
>>>
>>
>> Really?
>
> Yes, actually.
>
>> To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
>> life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...
>
> And you think which was the motive here?
>
>> Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
>> this humorous ... but sad.
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
The facts and data surrounding Waco only prepared us for the future crimes.
The next false flag operation may enslave us, or set of a real
revolution. It only depends if enough know what has been going on.
A single video, waco rules of engagement, pushes Waco far above a simple
conspiracy!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:12:55 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> The court hearing(s) and trials on all this are nothing short of
>> criminal, a sham, a joke ... I am sorry, I find any testimony given by
>> the victimized surviors of no value,
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_a.html
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/09/waco
http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/waco-speak-out.html
Etc. search out the reality of the government crimes for yourself ...
Morons, who knows their motives, but just because you can't figure out
the motive of insanity makes them no less of morons!
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/26/2011 6:58 AM, raven1 wrote:
>
>>
>> And you think which was the motive here?
>>
>
>My original answer, moron.
IIRC, your original answer was completely vague as to a possible
motive.
>obamas birth certificate is NO CONSPIRACY, it is hidden, obama will tell
>you why, himself:
>
>“"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with
>something to hide." -- barack obama (barry soetoro)
>
>9/11 is scientific fact, thermite in the dust, free fall speeds, all
>three buildings falling into their own footprints, tons of molten iron
>in the basements.
>
>If only one of those things were breaking the laws of physics, perhaps a
>claim of "conspiracy" could be provoke.
>
>With the total overwhelming abundance of evidence and truth, 9/11 is NO
>CONSPIRACY -- IT IS SCIENTIFIC FACT.
>
>Political science is not acceptable in the crime of controlled demolition!
May I ask exactly what the Hell Obama's birth certificate and 9/11
have to do with Waco?
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/26/2011 6:58 AM, raven1 wrote:
>
>>>> ...
>>>> Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> Yes, actually.
>>
>>> To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
>>> life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...
>>
>> And you think which was the motive here?
>>
>>> Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
>>> this humorous ... but sad.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> JS
>
>The facts and data surrounding Waco only prepared us for the future crimes.
How so?
No, really, I'm interested in your "logic" here.
John Smith
You are stuck in a circular argument, the evidence prove Waco a crime, a
lot of the evidence has been pointed out here, bullets, CS gas,
tanks/fires, filmed shooting of fleeing Waco victims, bull dozing of
evidence, etc.
As I pointed out, anyone watching Waco Rules of Engagement will have
this pointed out to them.
Regards,
JS
Peter Franks
The ATF attempted to executed an illegal and false search warrant; the
Davidians responded as if under attack (they were) and were subsequently
murdered.
I am not a sympathizer with Koresh, his teachings, or practices, however
in this case, they were the victims of a militarized government in an
unjustified action.
Gray Ghost
news:E4adneUuDYkr9SvQ...@westnet.com.au:
>
>
> "John Smith" <win....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ip4f9k$7gi$3...@dont-email.me...
>> On 4/25/2011 1:23 AM, Fergo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
>>> <josego...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d43ba54f-29d6-4fc0-ac37-8d544e6e9126
@a21g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can still
>>>>> bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!
>>>>>
>>>> He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
>>>> was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!
>>>
>>> It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
>>> have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
>>> to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.
>>
>> We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
>> crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
>> and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.
>>
>> The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
>> escape, alive!
>>
>> We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
>> interests ...
>>
> Rubbish, he could have let them arrest him on day 1 and none of the
deaths
> would have happened. Instead he let his brainwashed followers of the cult
> die.
That does not alter the fact that the ATF could have arrested him in town
instead of staging a reenactment of the D-Day invasion and getting their
asses handed to them.
The ending was a foregone conclusion. The government cannot allow such
resistance to go unpunished. To bad it doesn’t feel the same way about
incompetence and malfeasance.
--
Herman Cain for President! http://hermancain.com/
If you don't support him you are a Racist!!
He beat Cancer. He'll beat Obama (who is just like cancer)
Remember Desert One, Carter 0? Ain't it sad to wish that Obama had as much
ambition but being glad he doesn't knowing he doesn't have THAT much
competence?
John Smith
>> ...
>> Some would rather die free and upholding their freedoms, rights and
>> liberties and this makes our pussy public servants piss their pants ...
>
> The ATF attempted to executed an illegal and false search warrant; the
> Davidians responded as if under attack (they were) and were subsequently
> murdered.
>
> I am not a sympathizer with Koresh, his teachings, or practices, however
> in this case, they were the victims of a militarized government in an
> unjustified action.
Yes, the forefathers, the designers of the Constitution would have been
proud of them.
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
Waco,Texas is a nice City.U.S.Army had an Army bus going to Waco one
Sunday morning in 1965 when I was at Fort Hood,Texas for ten months.It
was like a school bus painted Olive Drab, Army color.Naturally, myself
and about eight or ten other lean mean fighting machines got on that bus
for a tour of Waco and environs.It was a boring Sunday, what else was I
to do? I wasen't bored touring Waco and environs of Waco.
Earlier that year when I was at Fort Hood, I rode another Army Olive
Drab bus to Fort Sam Houston,Texas, ergo a leg injury I got when I was
in Vietnam in 1964.It might have been the same bus, they all looked
alike, Olive Drab, baby, Olive Drab.
cuhulin, the Olive Drab
John Smith
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:37:05 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2011 6:58 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And you think which was the motive here?
>>>
>>
>> My original answer, moron.
>
> IIRC, your original answer was completely vague as to a possible
> motive.
>
You can say the same about any government or dictator/tyrant oppressing
his/their people with shows of murder, violence, military, etc. Each
crime and false flag against the people, to promote a police state and
get us used to military/homeland-security (such as TSA gropings) is
"vague" in purpose ... it is simply getting people used to the loss of
freedoms, rights and liberties ...
>> obamas birth certificate is NO CONSPIRACY, it is hidden, obama will tell
>> you why, himself:
>>
>> “"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with
>> something to hide." -- barack obama (barry soetoro)
>>
>> 9/11 is scientific fact, thermite in the dust, free fall speeds, all
>> three buildings falling into their own footprints, tons of molten iron
>> in the basements.
>>
>> If only one of those things were breaking the laws of physics, perhaps a
>> claim of "conspiracy" could be provoke.
>>
>> With the total overwhelming abundance of evidence and truth, 9/11 is NO
>> CONSPIRACY -- IT IS SCIENTIFIC FACT.
>>
>> Political science is not acceptable in the crime of controlled demolition!
>
> May I ask exactly what the Hell Obama's birth certificate and 9/11
> have to do with Waco?
All crimes against the people, all a natural progression in the loss of
freedom, rights as a police state places us in fear of bearded men in
caves or the dark ...
They are crimes which ignore the rights of the people and the law of our
Constitution.
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/26/2011 7:06 AM, raven1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:12:55 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The court hearing(s) and trials on all this are nothing short of
>>> criminal, a sham, a joke ... I am sorry, I find any testimony given by
>>> the victimized surviors of no value,
>> ...
>
>http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_a.html
>http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/09/waco
I'm not sure as to your point: the second link here is to a survivor's
account blaming the FBI, but the first is an article discrediting his
account as unbelievable, and noting that his story has changed several
times.
>http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/waco-speak-out.html
This is testimony of two survivors: Thibodeau, whose account your
first article has already dismissed as unreliable, and a second who
offers no insight as to how the fire started other than that he didn't
hear an order to set it.
But again, what's your point, as you've already stated you hold the
survivors' accounts of no value? Make up your mind.
John Smith
All Gungho and GI Joe!
Later in life you often regret things rashly done and assisted by your
youthful ignorance ...
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
Non-responsive answer duly noted.
John Smith
> ...
> How so?
>
> No, really, I'm interested in your "logic" here.
> ...
If you really must pose such imbecilic questions, you probably missed
the importance of potty training ... don't bother the adults here, go
home and ask your mother ...
Asking sideways questions ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Ignoring morons is one of my specialties ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Combined with what I have already stated, and apparently you have
missed, with the resources and open intimidation of lethal force by
public servants, military, police, etc. only fools could oppose these
lethal forces without escaping death ...
You want absolutes when it is the very nature of the criminals to hide
their crimes ...
Waco was a simple illegal home invasion perpetrated by government ...
they got their asses handed to them and had to murder the resisters in a
show of force. I'd say that is pretty criminal fare done by tyrants
worldwide ... you seem to feel it is OK when American public servants do
crimes.
That is all which has happened, that is all that happening ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
The branch davidians were not the real target of the intimidation, we
were and are. To date, because of true patriots and the strength of
true Americans, it has not worked to an adequate level.
You are supposed to have been made so afraid you will not question 9/11,
TSA molestations, cameras watching your every move, wire tappings of
your most private conversations, planting locations on your automobiles,
denial of free speech and right to assemble, etc.
Since 9/11 was a failure, you can expect bigger and better. Fear,
murder, destruction, these are the only weapons which tyrants know can
make a population silent on their rights, freedoms and liberties ...
there will only be more, there can only be more, until one side has had
enough and stands up to shake off the lice of corrupt public servants
and criminals. I would just as soon as kill a terrorist who makes my
life miserable, be they foreign or domestic!
Morons see no problem with any of this ...
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
Stop right there. You're using accounts that you've previously
dismissed as being of "no value" to support your position. Sorry, you
can't have it both ways. Moreover, as I pointed out, the first link
you provided dismisses the testimony from the second (and half of the
testimony from the third) as unbelievable, and the remainder of the
testimony in the third link doesn't implicate either side for starting
the fire, so it's of no aid to you.
> and apparently you have
>missed, with the resources and open intimidation of lethal force by
>public servants, military, police, etc. only fools could oppose these
>lethal forces without escaping death ...
Well, yes, if by "opposing" you mean "armed opposition", but several
of the Branch Davidians did peacefully leave the compound unharmed
during the stand-off...
>You want absolutes when it is the very nature of the criminals to hide
>their crimes ...
No, I just expect accusations to be supported by evidence, not
speculation.
>Waco was a simple illegal home invasion perpetrated by government ...
>they got their asses handed to them and had to murder the resisters in a
>show of force.
"Had to"? Why?
> I'd say that is pretty criminal fare done by tyrants
>worldwide ... you seem to feel it is OK when American public servants do
>crimes.
No, I don't. But I also don't feel it's OK to revise history.
raven1
wrote:
>On 4/26/2011 10:13 AM, raven1 wrote:
You are apparently unwilling or unable to answer a direct question.
That doesn't help your credibility.
raven1
wrote:
I note that this is the third time you've evaded answering the same
question. If you're unable or unwilling to defend your position, why
bother posting?
John Smith
You are moron with desperate arguments ... watch Waco Rules of
Engagement, if you can't figure out Waco was a total crime for the
reasons already mentioned, you are simply attempting to pursue a "last
man standing argument", a tool of fools who have already lost the
argument and now fall upon their last hope ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Yes, it has already been stated ... Waco Rules of Engagement covers all
well ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Your argument of why someone would not argue with a moron, once
something has already been said, over a subject well covered, is simply
insane.
I am in agreement with all in Waco Rules of Engagement which clearly is
video proof of criminal action by our public servants.
You thinking a year long argument will make the crimes go away is sheer
lunacy ...
Waco was simply a home invasion done by government, military and police.
It escalated into mass murder and the bull dozing of evidence ... it
destroyed any respect most hold for government ... it only worsens with
each and every new crime of government, such as 9/11 and a fraudulent
president in public servant office ...
If you haven't got it by now, you will have to seek to clear your
ignorance elsewhere ... if you still wish to value, obey and respect the
criminal government, simply join the group of people who agree with you.
I propose most sensible people are washing their hands of all bonds,
ties and allegiances at this time ... only bond left is to fellow
citizens and the land of the forefathers and Constitutional law ... let
the criminals be damned.
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
Your posturing aside, you failed to address anything I said above,
including your attempt to support your position with testimony you've
already dismissed as valueless. It doesn't seem like I'm the desperate
moron here.