KAITO 1103 question
Nic. Santean
Does anybody know whether Kaito 1103 has PLL ?
I would guess so (having direct frequency input), but
is hard to believe to have PLL and dual conversion at
this price.
In addition, many users report no "chugging" during
manual tuning, and that sounds suspicious too.
I am thinking to get one and I would appreciate your
input.
Cordially
Nic.
David
Virtually all modern synthesised receivers use phase locked loops.
geor...@yahoo.com
seen them on eBay new for as low as $64.95 + $9.95 shipping. These 2
radios are definitely the best values under $100. George S., MN
John S.
Yes, it uses PLL and dual conversion. The result is a radio that holds
on a frequency very well, but tends to generate images of signals 900
khz down (twice the IF).
Any radio that tunes in 1khz increments is going to chug a bit as it
skips 1 khz at a time. It isn't significant on the 1103 though.
Go for the radio - but get the Degen De1103 rather than the Kaito. It
is is an incredible package of features at $65.00 shipped.
star...@connifer.net
> Nic. Santean wrote:
>
>>Does anybody know whether Kaito 1103 has PLL ?
>>
>>I would guess so (having direct frequency input), but
>>is hard to believe to have PLL and dual conversion at
>>this price.
>>
>>In addition, many users report no "chugging" during
>>manual tuning, and that sounds suspicious too.
>>
>>I am thinking to get one and I would appreciate your
>>input.
>>
>>Cordially
>>
>>Nic.
>
>
> Yes, it uses PLL and dual conversion. The result is a radio that holds
> on a frequency very well, but tends to generate images of signals 900
> khz down (twice the IF).
Dual conversion should eliminate images at twice the second IF
(455-Khz). Does it use up conversion for the first IF?
John S.
Couldn't tell you, but there is a russian site that has a highly
detailed review of this receiver. Does anyone have the link?
It uses a 450khz IF and an image of many strong signals can be found
900khz down. In the area of 8.9mhz they do conflict with potentially
interesting signals from commercial aircraft. Otherwise they are not a
problem.
M Peraaho
have no image problems, but I live in a rural area.
http://www.radiointel.com/review-degende1103.htm
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4288
http://www.monitoringtimes.com/html/mtrevumar05.pdf
John S.
Images are not usually a function of being in an urban vs a rural
location.
Images can occur on this radio 900 khz down from a strong primary
signal.
Thus if you tune from 5.1 mhz up repeats of nighttime broadcasts from
the 6mhz band can be heard. BBC and Radio Havana are a couple of
strong signals on the east coast that pop up more than once.
Also, tune from 6.3 khz up and hear repeats from the 7.5 mhz band at
night.
And if you tune up and down from 8.0 mhz images from the 9mhz band will
appear.
The DE1103 may have dual conversion but it it is not implemented as
well as it is on say a Kenwood R-5000. But the De1103 is only a $50.00
radio too. The images are not a big deal, but they are there.
cuh...@webtv.net
computers hard wired together with lonnnnnng wire together,miles and
miles apart betwixt and between two homes wayyyy out in the sticks.Would
that work for anything?
cuhulin
John S.
Not sure I understand. What would you want two computers linked through
a port work to work for.
Nic. Santean
It seems that the units made after March 2005 are somehow
better than the earlier ones (in particular, they have several bugs
fixed). How can one tell the manufacturing date of a Kaito 1103 ?
Cordially,
Nic.
John S.
If you buy The Degen badged unit from Ebay seller Liypn he will state
that it was made after that date. Otherwise Universal Radio will sell
the Kaito badged unit and I believe they will state when it was made.
My experience with the other sellers of the Kaito units is that they
are not willing to say when it was made.
My recommendation is to go with Liypn on price - it is almost half the
Kaito model.
cuh...@webtv.net
fifteen or more years old and it has PLL,have to use ear buds to listen
though because it doesn't have a built in speaker.It pulls in long
distance supprisningly good and locks on to those stations really
good,never wavers at all.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
date of manufacture.Some radios,hard to tell.Some of those older model
radios have at least a year of manufacture somewhere inside of the
radios.I never could figure out why radio manufacturers dont put the
year of manufacture on the back of those radios.TV sets are Radios with
pictures,so why not Radios?
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
Arlington,Texas once said in that Cork,Ireland online chatroom about six
years ago,,, Sometimes my mind wanders.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
hard wired wayyyy out in the sticks,them two computer monitors would be
ghosting like crazy.My 22 inch screen Multisync computer monitor sits on
my coffee table and my Velocity Micro tower ProMagix sits on an end
table by my side of Blueberry doggy's couch.Thats why I paid sixty
dollars to www.si87.com a couple of years ago for the best VGA
cable that money can buy,it's got them Ferrite cores on each end of the
cable.By the way,some Best Buy stores are now stocking and selling
Velocity Micro computers.If y'all want the best,
www.velocitymicro.com in Richmond,Virginia.
Take my Word for it.
cuhulin
..............................................................
Computers are Radios too.
..............................................................
O.Henry's Full House movie is on Radio TV now.
..............................................................
cuh...@webtv.net
more than a dollar (actually,it depends on what kind of a mood them
wimmins over there are in) for it,I will walk off and leave it.
cuhulin
SeeingEyeDog
If the seller is making a hypothetical US$10 profit on each radio the
manufacturer (Communist owned enterprise) is dumping this product in order
to eliminate the competition. Namely Eton & Sony. The short-wave radio
marketplace in China is, for all practical purposes closed. It is difficult
to find and purchase Eton or Sony short-wave radios in China. They can be
found but you will spend much of your time hunting.
Be careful on what you spend your hard earned money.
<geor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134785233.2...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
David
wrote:
Communists? Give me a break. The Chinese are fascist totalitarians
just like us.
RHF
just like us. " {The USA}
DaviD - 'you' have a way with words and expressing 'yourself'.
DaviD - 'your' Uber-Liberal Bias causes 'you' to see things
through 'pink' tinted glasses and naturally you see :
fascists here,
Fascist There.
FASCISTS EVERYWHERE !
ABOUT - The People Republic of China (PRC) :
The Chinese now have One Party Korporate Kommunism State
that is supported by / and in support of the People's
Liberation Army (PLA) aimed at making China both an Economic
and Military World Leader -aka- a so called "Super Power".
david - wake-up and see the kommunist for what they are ~ RHF
.
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. .
.
John S.
SeeingEyeDog wrote:
> You can buy Degen Radios on China's eBay for US$34 (free delivery in China)!
> If the seller is making a hypothetical US$10 profit on each radio the
> manufacturer (Communist owned enterprise) is dumping this product in order
> to eliminate the competition. Namely Eton & Sony.
Eton radios are nothing more than rebadged Degen and Tecsun receivers.
So if they wanted to eliminate any potential competition from Eton all
they have to do is stop supplying them!
Sony is the last of the significant manufacturers to bail out of the
shortwave receiver market. The market for shortwave radios was never
large, and it has shrunk to a tiny fraction as we all know.
The short-wave radio
> marketplace in China is, for all practical purposes closed. It is difficult
> to find and purchase Eton or Sony short-wave radios in China. They can be
> found but you will spend much of your time hunting.
If a chinese SWLer wanted an Eton product they would just have to buy a
Tecsun or Degen. I'm at a loss as to why a chinese national would want
to pay the inflated Eton prices.
Not many Sony shortwave radios to be found in chine bcause they are not
making any. And because China hasn't opened it's market to outside
products. Not unlike Japan and the good old USA with their import
duties. Still, I've seen more than one chinese SWL's website with
extensive collections of radios that include several old Sony and
Panasonic radios as well as numerous chinese brands.
I'm completely missing your point here. You seem to be trying to prove
some sort of chinese conspiracy....
>
> Be careful on what you spend your hard earned money.
For sure. That's why the Degen DE1103 from a chinese seller is such a
great buy!
David
Odd. I was told the Eton E1 is made ina factory in India that
primarily builds mil-spec stuff.
RHF
Very Close - The Eton E1 Radio is make in a Factory
in India by an Indian Company that is a major supplier
of Indian Military Communications Gear for the Indian
Government.
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SeeingEyeDog
"John S." <hjs...@cs.com> wrote
>
> Eton radios are nothing more than rebadged Degen and Tecsun receivers.
> So if they wanted to eliminate any potential competition from Eton all
> they have to do is stop supplying them!
Why would they do that? The Communist Party isn't as stupid as you beleive.
They will be happy to build sets that you sell for $140 while they sell
their version
domestically and over the internet at a fraction of the price, at a loss
mind you.
This is done with many products in China to keep the branding company off
its turf. It makes money manufacturing for foreigners and sells the same
product
domestically at a loss.
In a few years you will begin to see Chinese branded products marketed
by Communist Party owned enterprises here in the U.S. They will bypass
your western marketing companies and sell direct to you at a cheaper
price than anyone. Even Wal-Mart. The Communist Party recently sponsored
and held a trade show in New York for just such a purpose.
> Sony is the last of the significant manufacturers to bail out of the
> shortwave receiver market. The market for shortwave radios was never
> large, and it has shrunk to a tiny fraction as we all know.
There are at least 3,000,000,000 people living within China and India alone.
Few if any have given up their shortwave radios. It is simply your narrow
western veiw of the shortwave market that clouds your mind.
> If a chinese SWLer wanted an Eton product they would just have to buy a
> Tecsun or Degen. I'm at a loss as to why a chinese national would want
> to pay the inflated Eton prices.
They don't have to like you say. They buy the domestic version cheaper
than the price of your dinner.
> Not many Sony shortwave radios to be found in chine bcause they are not
> making any.
Huh?
> And because China hasn't opened it's market to outside
> products.
D'oh! That's a revelation?
> Not unlike Japan and the good old USA with their import
> duties.
Import duties on Eton, Sony, Tecsun, Kaito, Degen Kochibo... radios?
I think your lieing.
> Still, I've seen more than one chinese SWL's website with
> extensive collections of radios that include several old Sony and
> Panasonic radios as well as numerous chinese brands.
Re-read what I posted. But you go to China and try to amass the same
collection and see how many years it takes on an average salary of $400 a
month.
> I'm completely missing your point here. You seem to be trying to prove
> some sort of chinese conspiracy....
Your completely niave and ignorant of Chinese business practices.
For that reason they would love to be your partner.
> >
> > Be careful on what you spend your hard earned money.
>
> For sure. That's why the Degen DE1103 from a chinese seller is such a
> great buy!
It's a great buy because they are dumping a product assembled by slave
labour.
If it continues you will soon be able to buy ONLY Chinese radios. At which
time they may decide to limit the tuning to only a select few of CRI
frequencies.
YOUR HOOKED!
John S.
SeeingEyeDog wrote:
> "John S." <hjs...@cs.com> wrote
> >
> > Eton radios are nothing more than rebadged Degen and Tecsun receivers.
> > So if they wanted to eliminate any potential competition from Eton all
> > they have to do is stop supplying them!
>
> Why would they do that? The Communist Party isn't as stupid as you beleive.
> They will be happy to build sets that you sell for $140 while they sell
> their version
> domestically and over the internet at a fraction of the price, at a loss
> mind you.
> This is done with many products in China to keep the branding company off
> its turf. It makes money manufacturing for foreigners and sells the same
> product
> domestically at a loss.
Yo buckwheat...you were the one who said the commies were trying to
drive Eton out of business. Eton is nothing more than a distributor
and marketer of Degan/Tecsun products. Just a warehousing and order
operation and nothing more. If Tecsun/Degen wanted to kill of a major
distributor of their products as you stated then they would
do so by cutting off the supply of radios.
>
> In a few years you will begin to see Chinese branded products marketed
> by Communist Party owned enterprises here in the U.S. They will bypass
> your western marketing companies and sell direct to you at a cheaper
> price than anyone. Even Wal-Mart. The Communist Party recently sponsored
> and held a trade show in New York for just such a purpose.
Really. Now that is indeed interesting. I catch the shuttle to NYC on
business regularly. I don't remember any convetion of the Chinese
Communist Part having been held in NYC in the past 5 years. Maybe it
was really small - almost microscopic. Or more likely it was just a
figment of your imagination.
>
> > Sony is the last of the significant manufacturers to bail out of the
> > shortwave receiver market. The market for shortwave radios was never
> > large, and it has shrunk to a tiny fraction as we all know.
>
> There are at least 3,000,000,000 people living within China and India alone.
> Few if any have given up their shortwave radios. It is simply your narrow
> western veiw of the shortwave market that clouds your mind.
The worldwide market for shortwave radios has all but collapsed. If it
were otherwise then Sony. Panasonic, Sanyo, Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom, etc.,
would still be in the market merrily selling shortwave radios. Fact is
there is not enough demand to justify production of HF receivers. The
chinese are satusfying any domestic demand for shortwave. But the fact
is chinese consumers will turn rapidly to domestic broadcast, Ipod,
internet and satellite for radio transmissions. Just like the rest of
the world.
>
> > If a chinese SWLer wanted an Eton product they would just have to buy a
> > Tecsun or Degen. I'm at a loss as to why a chinese national would want
> > to pay the inflated Eton prices.
>
> They don't have to like you say. They buy the domestic version cheaper
> than the price of your dinner.
Then why did you say the chinese were being prevented from owning an
Eton. Your original statement makes no sense whatsoever.
>
> > Not many Sony shortwave radios to be found in chine bcause they are not
> > making any.
>
> Huh?
Put simply so that you can understand, Sony has backed out of the
shortwave market. Expect that they will drop the 7600 very soon. As
mentioned previously there is a fundamental reason Sony along with all
other significant manufacturers of shortwave radios have dropped out of
the sortwave radio market over the past 20 years. It is called no
demand for the product.
>
> > And because China hasn't opened it's market to outside
> > products.
>
> D'oh! That's a revelation?
>
> > Not unlike Japan and the good old USA with their import
> > duties.
>
> Import duties on Eton, Sony, Tecsun, Kaito, Degen Kochibo... radios?
> I think your lieing.
The good old USA like most other nations extract import duties on a
wide range of consumer products. I'm not lieing, nor am I lying, nor
am I liing, nor am I lyeing. Hint: the correct spelling is lying and
in that sentence you should have used you're rather than your.
Had a tough time in school I take it.
>
> > Still, I've seen more than one chinese SWL's website with
> > extensive collections of radios that include several old Sony and
> > Panasonic radios as well as numerous chinese brands.
>
> Re-read what I posted. But you go to China and try to amass the same
> collection and see how many years it takes on an average salary of $400 a
> month.
There are numerous SWL clubs in china. I have been to China, but not
to buy shortwave radios. Someone making $400.00 per month in China
would be reasonably well off actually. But still they probably would
not be interested in spending food money of frippery like shortwave
radios. But low income people in the US are faced with the same
decision - food or fun. How many collecitons of shortwave radios do
you suppose there are in Appalachia or southeast DC.
>
> > I'm completely missing your point here. You seem to be trying to prove
> > some sort of chinese conspiracy....
>
> Your completely niave and ignorant of Chinese business practices.
> For that reason they would love to be your partner.
>
> > >
> > > Be careful on what you spend your hard earned money.
> >
> > For sure. That's why the Degen DE1103 from a chinese seller is such a
> > great buy!
>
> It's a great buy because they are dumping a product assembled by slave
> labour.
> If it continues you will soon be able to buy ONLY Chinese radios. At which
> time they may decide to limit the tuning to only a select few of CRI
> frequencies.
I have no idea what dumping means. They are selling it at a profit
because their cost of production is much lower. And we do like our
bargains don't we. That's why places like WalMart and Home Depot do so
sell. They buy much of their products from the lowest cost
manufacturer which happes to be China for now. We have also looked to
Eastern Europe, India, Indonesia, Korea and Japan for cheap goods.
> YOUR HOOKED!
ON WHAT?
SeeingEyeDog
"John S." <hjs...@cs.com>
>
> Yo buckwheat...you were the one who said the commies were trying to
> drive Eton out of business. Eton is nothing more than a distributor
> and marketer of Degan/Tecsun products. Just a warehousing and order
> operation and nothing more. If Tecsun/Degen wanted to kill of a major
> distributor of their products as you stated then they would
> do so by cutting off the supply of radios.
>
Yo, ignorAnus
>
> Really. Now that is indeed interesting. I catch the shuttle to NYC on
> business regularly. I don't remember any convetion of the Chinese
> Communist Part having been held in NYC in the past 5 years. Maybe it
> was really small - almost microscopic. Or more likely it was just a
> figment of your imagination.
>
You obviously missed the Lou Dobbs segment on CNN.
>
> The worldwide market for shortwave radios has all but collapsed.
Yo, ignorAnus, you don't know about a Communist Party sponsored trade show
in NY and your spouting ignorAnus economics.
> If it
> were otherwise then Sony. Panasonic, Sanyo, Kenwood, Yaesu, Icom, etc.,
> would still be in the market merrily selling shortwave radios.
Go back to Macro economics 001
> Fact is
> there is not enough demand to justify production of HF receivers.
That's interesting, Icom, Kenwood and Yausu make plenty.
Fortunately Communist Party factories havn't figured how to build them.
> The
> chinese are satusfying any domestic demand for shortwave. But the fact
> is chinese consumers will turn rapidly to domestic broadcast, Ipod,
> internet and satellite for radio transmissions. Just like the rest of
> the world.
My my, you spout some interesting expurtese.
The Chinese Communist Party has the largest shortwave network in the world.
Most of it is used for domestic broadcasting - d'oh!
> > > If a chinese SWLer wanted an Eton product they would just have to buy
a
> > > Tecsun or Degen. I'm at a loss as to why a chinese national would
want
> > > to pay the inflated Eton prices.
>
> Then why did you say the chinese were being prevented from owning an
> Eton. Your original statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Nothing makes sense to you when you havn't the basic knowledge to even
begin.
SSB radios are illegal in China and individuals cannot import them without
loads of Communist Party Red tape.
They are illegal to operate unless you are a licensed Communist Party ham or
a guest of a Communist Party Ham radio club. Understand Bozo?
Is it any wonder to you why accessing SSB on Degen radios are obfuscated?
> > > Not many Sony shortwave radios to be found in chine bcause they are
not
> > > making any.
> >
> > Huh?
>
> Put simply so that you can understand, Sony has backed out of the
> shortwave market. Expect that they will drop the 7600 very soon. As
> mentioned previously there is a fundamental reason Sony along with all
> other significant manufacturers of shortwave radios have dropped out of
> the sortwave radio market over the past 20 years. It is called no
> demand for the product.
It is precisely why you should buy a Sony product other than the fact Sony
SW receivers are superior.
The lack of demand is componded by the barrier to entry in the Communist
China mainland.
Have you figured out the score yet birdbrain?
> > > And because China hasn't opened it's market to outside
> > > products.
> >
> > D'oh! That's a revelation?
> >
> > > Not unlike Japan and the good old USA with their import
> > > duties.
> >
> > Import duties on Eton, Sony, Tecsun, Kaito, Degen Kochibo... radios?
> > I think your lieing.
>
>
> The good old USA like most other nations extract import duties on a
> wide range of consumer products.
Shortwave radios from China & Japan? - LOL
> I'm not lieing, nor am I lying, nor
> am I liing, nor am I lyeing. Hint: the correct spelling is lying and
> in that sentence you should have used you're rather than your.
>
> Had a tough time in school I take it.
D'oh, I see the spell cop has arrived with the typical personal drival.
A sure sign of a personal problem. At least you can parse.
>
> >
> > > Still, I've seen more than one chinese SWL's website with
> > > extensive collections of radios that include several old Sony and
> > > Panasonic radios as well as numerous chinese brands.
> >
> > Re-read what I posted. But you go to China and try to amass the same
> > collection and see how many years it takes on an average salary of $400
a
> > month.
>
> There are numerous SWL clubs in china.
Numerous? You just said SWL is dead. You make absolutely no sense and
your knowledge about SW radio in China is practically nil.
> I have been to China, but not
> to buy shortwave radios.
Tourist? LOL
> Someone making $400.00 per month in China
> would be reasonably well off actually.
Reasonably? Sure, if living in a company provided two room apartment, free
water & heat, along with the rest of your family.
No need for health insurance as you are given the "great care" from
Communistm Party hospitals. "Great dental" too if you have any teeth to
worry about. Sounds reasonable to me - LOL!
> But still they probably would
> not be interested in spending food money of frippery like shortwave
> radios. But low income people in the US are faced with the same
> decision - food or fun. How many collecitons of shortwave radios do
> you suppose there are in Appalachia or southeast DC.
Let me see, the economy is the fastest growing in the world, it is arguably
the 4th, 5th, 6th largest economy in the world if you beleive Communist
Party statistics - LOL! Yeah, the poverty level population of Appalachia is
as large as Chinese pheasants - LOL! Your logic is amusing.
> > > I'm completely missing your point here. You seem to be trying to
prove
> > > some sort of chinese conspiracy....
> >
> > Your completely niave and ignorant of Chinese business practices.
> > For that reason they would love to be your partner.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Be careful on what you spend your hard earned money.
> > >
> > > For sure. That's why the Degen DE1103 from a chinese seller is such a
> > > great buy!
> >
> > It's a great buy because they are dumping a product assembled by slave
> > labour.
> > If it continues you will soon be able to buy ONLY Chinese radios. At
which
> > time they may decide to limit the tuning to only a select few of CRI
> > frequencies.
>
>
> I have no idea what dumping means. They are selling it at a profit
> because their cost of production is much lower. And we do like our
> bargains don't we. That's why places like WalMart and Home Depot do so
> sell. They buy much of their products from the lowest cost
> manufacturer which happes to be China for now. We have also looked to
> Eastern Europe, India, Indonesia, Korea and Japan for cheap goods.
>
> > YOUR HOOKED!
>
> ON WHAT?
On ignorAnus ideology.
junius
> So if they wanted to eliminate any potential competition from Eton all
> they have to do is stop supplying them!
The Kaito-Degen radios seem to offer more bang for the buck than the
Tecsun models being sold under the Eton name. I'm curious, which Degen
radios are currently being sold under the Eton name?
I saw in PWBR that there's this DE1106 that Degen was going to produce
but they "sold the '1106's rights to another firm" (Eton). That radio
will be sold as the E5. I wonder if manufacture of this unit will be
by Degen in Shenzhen? In any case, this E5 looks likely to be a better
performer than the E10 or E100 (both of which seem somewhat mediocre in
comparison with the price and performance offered by the Kaito-Degen
models). Perhaps Eton bought the rights so that they could slap a
$150-plus price on this radio w/out being undercut by China-based
internet retailers (i.e. that eBay fellow in Guangzhou) selling a
DE1106 at a fraction of the price.
I'm still unclear on the relationship between Degen and Tecsun. They
seem to be internationally marketed through the same distribution point
in Hong Kong. There was once some Leowood guy who posted in here,
building up a lot of hype over some (presumably) forthcoming DE1108,
and this guy gave out some line that Degen used to once be a Tecsun
subsidiary but that it was now a separate and independent company. I
don't know if he was full of it about that and about the 1108. He had
claimed to be doing research on consumer preferences and that sorta
thing. Anyone ever heard anything since about this '1108?
Junius
SeeingEyeDog
"junius" <junj...@yahoo.com> wrote
> will be sold as the E5. I wonder if manufacture of this unit will be
> by Degen in Shenzhen?
Odds are likely, yes.
> In any case, this E5 looks likely to be a better
> performer than the E10 or E100 (both of which seem somewhat mediocre in
> comparison with the price and performance offered by the Kaito-Degen
> models).
The E5 is Dual-Coversion (better) while the E10 & E100 are
single-conversion.
Considering price the Sony 7600GR with its reknown Sync-Detector is
superior.
> Perhaps Eton bought the rights so that they could slap a
> $150-plus price on this radio w/out being undercut by China-based
> internet retailers (i.e. that eBay fellow in Guangzhou) selling a
> DE1106 at a fraction of the price.
BINGO!
>
> I'm still unclear on the relationship between Degen and Tecsun. They
> seem to be internationally marketed through the same distribution point
> in Hong Kong. There was once some Leowood guy who posted in here,
> building up a lot of hype over some (presumably) forthcoming DE1108,
> and this guy gave out some line that Degen used to once be a Tecsun
> subsidiary but that it was now a separate and independent company. I
> don't know if he was full of it about that and about the 1108. He had
> claimed to be doing research on consumer preferences and that sorta
> thing. Anyone ever heard anything since about this '1108?
Any mainland Chinese that is capable of posting to any international
newsgroup has "special" internet privileges bestowed by the Chinese
Communist Party. The internet in China is really a Peaple's Liberation Army
(PLA) INTRAnet with only two gateway routers to the outside world. These
two gateways have special Cisco software called something like Golden Wall
which actually opens your internet packets to see what is inside to filter,
censor and block potentially "sensitive" information coming in or going out
of the mainland.