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RHF

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Mar 19, 2008, 7:33:31 AM3/19/08
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The BBC World Serice Shortwave Radio Broadcast
to the Caribbean Region to Close on 23 March 2008

http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/bbcws-shortwave-for-caribbean-to-close-on-23-march

Posted : March 17th, 2008 - 13:16 UTC -by- Andy

-source- Radio Netherlands Worldwide (RNW)
RNW Media Network - http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/

BBC World Service Radio Frequencies
Americas : Caribbean & Central America [Times UTC]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/schedules/internet/800/radio_frequencies_caribbean.shtml

The BBC Caribbean . Com -website-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/
* Caribbean Report
* Morning Report
* Caribbean Magazine
* Sports Caribbean

Listening to the BBC in the Caribbean
AM and FM Radio Stations plus Shortwave Radio Frequencies
http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/institutional/frequencies.shtml
Island-by-Island Listing of AM & FM Radio Stations and Frequencies

BBC World Service - Global Short Wave Frequencies
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/schedules/frequencies/index.shtml

and now you know cause you just read it ~ RHF
.

SW4ever

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Mar 19, 2008, 7:52:40 PM3/19/08
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Here we go again !! BBC copping out on a long history of SWservice.
Well I don't know about you, but I gave up on them the last time they
cut SW services. I don't, nor will I listen to any of their SW Web
Satelliete or otherwise broadcasts. If they cant provide SW service
to millions of their loyal fellow English-speaking people in North
America (and Carribean) then I'm no longer interested. They are being
arrogant and inconsiderate, full of stupid excuses and all round a
total mess. Bye Bye BBC, you can chop the whole service as far as I am
concerned.

barnegatdx

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Mar 19, 2008, 8:39:11 PM3/19/08
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I used to rely on their short wave broadcasts for news and programs
you'd never get in the U.S.

- S.O.L. - unless you're hooked into the internet or


On Mar 19, 7:52 pm, SW4ever <Ethe...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Here we go again !! BBC copping out on a long history of SWservice.
> Well I don't know about you, but I gave up on them the last time they
> cut SW services. I don't, nor will I listen to any of their SW Web
> Satelliete or otherwise broadcasts. If they cant provide SW service
> to millions of their loyal fellow English-speaking people in North
> America (and Carribean) then I'm no longer interested. They are being
> arrogant and inconsiderate, full of stupid excuses and all round a
> total mess. Bye Bye BBC, you can chop the whole service as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> RHF wrote:
> > The BBC World Serice Shortwave Radio Broadcast
> > to the Caribbean Region to Close on 23 March 2008
>

> >http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/bbcws-shortwave-for-caribbean-to-clo...


>
> > Posted : March 17th, 2008 - 13:16 UTC -by- Andy
>
> > -source- Radio Netherlands Worldwide (RNW)

> > RNW Media Network -http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/


>
> > BBC World Service Radio Frequencies
> > Americas : Caribbean & Central America [Times UTC]

> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/schedules/internet/800/radio_freque...

Burr

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Mar 19, 2008, 9:17:38 PM3/19/08
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"barnegatdx" <barne...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4f082866-57ef-4185...@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>
> I used to rely on their short wave broadcasts for news and programs
> you'd never get in the U.S.
>
> - S.O.L. - unless you're hooked into the internet or
>
I have found over the last 20 years that Radio Netherlands has much better,
truer and more detailed Short-wave news! The only problem is that Radio
Netherlands has cut way back on the number of broadcast.

Burr


RHF

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Mar 19, 2008, 9:26:50 PM3/19/08
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On Mar 19, 4:52 pm, SW4ever <Ethe...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
-
- Here we go again !! BBC copping out on a long history
- of SW service. Well I don't know about you, but I gave
- up on them the last time they cut SW services.
- I don't, nor will I listen to any of their SW Web Satelliete
- or otherwise  broadcasts. If they cant provide SW service
- to millions of their loyal fellow English-speaking people in
- North America (and Carribean) then I'm no longer interested.
- They are being arrogant and inconsiderate, full of stupid
- excuses and all round a total mess.
- Bye Bye BBC, you can chop the whole service
- as far as I am concerned.
-

RHF -wrote-


The BBC World Serice Shortwave Radio Broadcast
to the Caribbean Region to Close on 23 March 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/07752f8ff8dd9bde
- - BBC World Service - Global Short Wave Frequencies
- - http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/schedules/frequencies/index.shtml

SW-4-Ever,

REF - BBC WS Shortwave for Caribbean to Close on 23 March
March 17th, 2008 - 13:16 UTC by Andy .
http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/bbcws-shortwave-for-caribbean-to-close-on-23-march

Blog Page Text -follows-
The BBCWS website carries the following announcement:

* BBC World Service shortwave transmissions to the Caribbean will
close on March 23rd 2008.

* Many listeners in the Caribbean and around the world no longer
listen via shortwave.

* Instead they are choosing to listen to the radio on other platforms
including FM, satellite and online.

* As a result, the BBC has invested in new FM services to the
Caribbean.

* BBC World Service programmes can now be heard on FM 24 hours a day
in Antigua, Trinidad and Jamaica as well as via partner stations in
almost all of the Caribbean islands.

-source- Radio Netherlands Worldwide (RNW)
RNW Media Network - http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/

CopyRight © 2008 RNW Media Network - All Rights Reserved.

BROADCAST RADIO REALITY CHECK :
[Internationa Shortwave Radio -versus-
In-Country AM & FM Radio ]

COST - The BBC has better more Cost-Effective means
of Getting-Their-Message-Out in the Caribbean Region
to the Peoples of the Caribbean by using local AM & FM
Radio Stations in their Native Languages using the common
every-day AM/FM Radio that is everywhere : Home +
Office/Work + Car/Truck -versus- the specialized and
more limited and more costly Shortwave Radio/Receiver.

GROWTH - The use of the AM/FM Radio means that the
BBC World Service can Expand their Number of Radio
Listeners because the Number of AM/FM Radios and
AM/FM Listeners (BCLs) is Many-Times-Greater-Than
the number of Shortwave Radios and Shortwave Listeners
(SWLs).

SIGNAL & AUDIO - To the Local Radio Listener the RF
Signal is stronger and Audio Quality of the BBC World
Services Broadcast is Better and Clearer -when-
Compared to the former International Shortwave Radio's
RF Signal 'fading' and Audio Quality 'background noise'.

THE NEXT GENERATION - The BBC World Service
is interested in the Next Generation of Audio Content
Consumers and they are on the Internet and many still
do Listen to AM & FM Radio : The 'older' Shortwave
Radio Listening (SWL) Generation is dying-off and so
too is the need to broadcast to that generation.

GETTING THE MESSAGE-OUT - The BBC World Service's
Job is To-Get-The Message-Out from a Brittish (UK)
Point-of-View to the Next Generation of World Citizens
and Inform them with News and Information from the UK.
This Next Generation is Tomorrow's Local, National and
World Leaders and the BBC World Service what's to
Influence them while they are Young and Open to What
Is Out-There-in-the-Wordl beyond their City, State and
Nation.

TBL - This Change Is About : The Biggest Bang {World
Wide Voice} For The {Limited Broadcasting} Buck.

do i like it 'no' -but- you can not turn your back on reality
-cause- it just might run you over when you do ~ RHF
.

Telamon

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Mar 19, 2008, 10:19:02 PM3/19/08
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In article
<6ac81403-bc9f-4a03...@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:

Yeah, this is great. Why do I bother to read the news when RHF will
repost all kinds of crap here. Great job again moron.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Sun Chaser

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Mar 20, 2008, 12:47:10 AM3/20/08
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In article
<3b09ecc6-636b-4c5b...@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
SW4ever <Eth...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Here we go again !! BBC copping out on a long history of SWservice.
> Well I don't know about you, but I gave up on them the last time they
> cut SW services. I don't, nor will I listen to any of their SW Web
> Satelliete or otherwise broadcasts. If they cant provide SW service
> to millions of their loyal fellow English-speaking people in North
> America (and Carribean) then I'm no longer interested. They are being
> arrogant and inconsiderate, full of stupid excuses and all round a
> total mess.

I think you are being arrogant by expecting the taxpayers of the UK to
provide a free radio service for you to your specifications.

RHF

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Mar 20, 2008, 12:53:38 AM3/20/08
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On Mar 19, 7:19 pm, Telamon
<telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <6ac81403-bc9f-4a03-af7e-ef9f16aa3...@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

>
>
>
>
>
>  RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > The BBC World Serice Shortwave Radio Broadcast
> > to the Caribbean Region to Close on 23 March 2008
>
> >http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/bbcws-shortwave-for-caribbean-to-clo...

> > march
>
> > Posted : March 17th, 2008 - 13:16 UTC -by- Andy
>
> > -source- Radio Netherlands Worldwide (RNW)
> > RNW Media Network -http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/

>
> > BBC World Service Radio Frequencies
> > Americas : Caribbean & Central America [Times UTC]
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/schedules/internet/800/radio_freque...

> > ibbean.shtml
>
> > The BBC Caribbean . Com -website-
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/
> > * Caribbean Report
> > * Morning Report
> > * Caribbean Magazine
> > * Sports Caribbean
>
> > Listening to the BBC in the Caribbean
> > AM and FM Radio Stations plus Shortwave Radio Frequencies
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/institutional/frequencies.shtml
> > Island-by-Island Listing of AM & FM Radio Stations and Frequencies
>
> > BBC World Service - Global Short Wave Frequencies
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/schedules/frequencies/index.shtml
>
- - and now you know cause you just read it ~ RHF
- - .
-
- Yeah, this is great. Why do I bother to read the news
- when RHF will repost all kinds of crap here.
- Great job again moron.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-

Telamon - Don't You Know . . .
It Ain't News Until I Tell You ! :o) ~ RHF
.

RHF

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Mar 20, 2008, 1:25:13 AM3/20/08
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On Mar 19, 9:47 pm, Sun Chaser <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> In article
> <3b09ecc6-636b-4c5b-a8d4-a4d1ae128...@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

>
>  SW4ever <Ethe...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Here we go again !! BBC copping out on a long history of SWservice.
> > Well I don't know about you, but I gave up on them the last time they
> > cut SW services. I don't, nor will I listen to any of their SW Web
> > Satelliete or otherwise  broadcasts. If they cant provide SW service
> > to millions of their loyal fellow English-speaking people in North
> > America (and Carribean) then I'm no longer interested. They are being
> > arrogant and inconsiderate, full of stupid excuses and all round a
> > total mess.

- I think you are being arrogant by expecting the taxpayers
- of the UK to provide a free radio service for you to your
- specifications.

Sun Chaser,

Actually the BBC has done that very thing.

Two Questions presented to AM/FM Radio Listeners

Q # 1 - Would You Buy a Shortwave Radio to be able to
Receive* the BBC World Service; and Listen to the BBC
World Service on the Shortwave Radio ?
Answers : YES ~ 7% : NO ~ 63% : DTS/IDK ~ 30%

* This assumes a Local In-Country Shortwave Radio
Broadcast to assure the same Signal Level and Audio
Quality as a Local AM/FM Radio Station

Q # 2 - Would You Listen to the BBC World Service on
your present AM/FM Radio Buy -if- You could Receive
the BBC World Service Locally on that AM/FM Radio ?
Answers : YES ~ 49% : NO ~ 21% : DTS/IDK ~ 30%

The transition from Shortwave Radio to AM/FM Radio
allows the BBC World Service to have the 'potential' to
Grow the Number of BBC World Service Radio Listeners
by Seven Times (7X) over the Next Decade.

What applies here to the BBC World Service -wrt-
In-Country AM & FM Radio Re-Broadcasting of their
Programming; also applies to the VOA, RNW, CRI,
VOR, etc, Etc. ETC !

the truth is out there - riding on a radio wave ~ RHF
.

RHF

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Mar 20, 2008, 1:29:59 AM3/20/08
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Correction/Re-write Removed the word "Buy"

- Q # 2 - Would You Listen to the BBC World Service
- on your present AM/FM Radio -if- You could Receive
- the BBC World Service Locally on that AM/FM Radio ?
- Answers : YES ~ 49% : NO ~ 21% : DTS/IDK ~ 30%

DTS = Decline To State / IDK = I Don't Know

barnegatdx

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Mar 20, 2008, 8:15:25 AM3/20/08
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On Mar 19, 9:17 pm, "Burr" <pitzra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "barnegatdx" <barnega...@aol.com> wrote in message

Thanks Burr;

- will check out radio Netherlands as an alternate;

Roy?

You got the schedule out there ?

Burr

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Mar 20, 2008, 8:25:45 AM3/20/08
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"barnegatdx" <

>
> Thanks Burr;
>
> - will check out radio Netherlands as an alternate;
>
> Roy?
>
> You got the schedule out there ?
>

http://www.primetimeshortwave.com/


http://www.radionetherlands.nl/

You're welcome,

Burr


barnegatdx

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Mar 20, 2008, 8:44:09 AM3/20/08
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- Cool ! thanks Burr

Got this nifty little Degen De1105 with 1,00 memories,

will plug them all in there; hoping to pick up one or two on along
skip

In 45 Degree Windy NYC

David

dave

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Mar 20, 2008, 8:49:52 AM3/20/08
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SW4ever wrote:
> Here we go again !! BBC copping out on a long history of SWservice.
> Well I don't know about you, but I gave up on them the last time they
> cut SW services. I don't, nor will I listen to any of their SW Web
> Satelliete or otherwise broadcasts. If they cant provide SW service
> to millions of their loyal fellow English-speaking people in North
> America (and Carribean) then I'm no longer interested. They are being
> arrogant and inconsiderate, full of stupid excuses and all round a
> total mess. Bye Bye BBC, you can chop the whole service as far as I am
> concerned.
>

You are the one who's being arrogant and inconsiderate. There aren't a
million shortwave listeners left in the hemisphere, let alone in North
America. Why spend all that money to transmit to a few hobbyists?

Burr

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Mar 20, 2008, 8:57:34 AM3/20/08
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"barnegatdx"

>
> - Cool ! thanks Burr
>
> Got this nifty little Degen De1105 with 1,00 memories,
>
> will plug them all in there; hoping to pick up one or two on along
> skip
>
> In 45 Degree Windy NYC
>
> David
>

Gee, I sure hate to think of you way up there in all that cold!
Maybe I'll turn the fan up a little so I can be cool also, it's 9am and 87
degrees here now. I only have on shorts most of the time.

Burr
Mr. Tanned


Burr

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Mar 20, 2008, 9:00:43 AM3/20/08
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"dave" >

> You are the one who's being arrogant and inconsiderate. There aren't a
> million shortwave listeners left in the hemisphere, let alone in North
> America. Why spend all that money to transmit to a few hobbyists?

Damn Dave,
Wish you wouldn't say that, you may be right and that's sad.

Burr


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Burr

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Mar 20, 2008, 9:29:31 AM3/20/08
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"RHF"

>
> > You got the schedule out there ?
>
> http://www.primetimeshortwave.com/
>
> http://www.radionetherlands.nl/
>
> You're welcome,
>
> Burr

Burr,

BCL News - Radio Netherland WorldWide (RNW)
http://www.bclnews.it/b07schedules/rnw.htm
-source- BCL News .IT -http://www.bclnews.it/

TIP for Shortwave Radio Newbies :
In general I find that the Shortwave Radio Broadcast
Schedules that are Presented and Hosted by
BCL News .IT - http://www.bclnews.it/
are both Easy to Find and Use -versus- trying to find
the same information on the individual websites of each
of the International Shortwave Radio Broadcasters.

Now Roy,
I gave him two things, one was a listing of all freq.'s being used in
the world and the other was just for info about RN.

I consider this post of your's as stepping on my toes a little. Maybe
you would take a minute and think about what someone says before you tell
them they are wrong!

You know a lot BUT you don't know it all and sometimes the way you say
it causes a little hard feelings.

Burr
.


SW4ever

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Mar 20, 2008, 9:48:47 AM3/20/08
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Arrogance is the defense of lack of thought, consideration of others,
etc..etc... But the BBC says it's interested in reaching more
audience...What, teenagers and yuppies running around listening to the
latest electronic gimcrack?Hardly...get real. International
cooperation can't survive without some form of direct communication,
and won't with the kind of top-down control that's gradually choking
off your and my right to have access to direct, targetted news. etc.
from any country, unfiltered, and in the raw. You and I may not agree
with what is transmitted, but that's the point.. The right to be
heard. But never mind, dream on, until all SW disappears and then pay
the piper (and ancillary dollar charges for cable, staellite, etc, the
better to empty your wallet). BBC staff (working stiffs) probably
agree with me but are powerless to resist the blithering idiots at
the top. But again never mind, go ahead and wreck another venerable
institution. It's Turkey time..... again.......... (End of Rant)
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dave

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Mar 21, 2008, 8:50:35 AM3/21/08
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SW4ever wrote:
> Arrogance is the defense of lack of thought, consideration of others,
> etc..etc... But the BBC says it's interested in reaching more
> audience...What, teenagers and yuppies running around listening to the
> latest electronic gimcrack?Hardly...get real. International
> cooperation can't survive without some form of direct communication,
> and won't with the kind of top-down control that's gradually choking
> off your and my right to have access to direct, targetted news. etc.
> from any country, unfiltered, and in the raw. You and I may not agree
> with what is transmitted, but that's the point.. The right to be
> heard. But never mind, dream on, until all SW disappears and then pay
> the piper (and ancillary dollar charges for cable, staellite, etc, the
> better to empty your wallet). BBC staff (working stiffs) probably
> agree with me but are powerless to resist the blithering idiots at
> the top. But again never mind, go ahead and wreck another venerable
> institution. It's Turkey time..... again.......... (End of Rant)
>
Try to get a grip.
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