Canukistan Rules to Allow HD Radio
Guerite.
http://beradio.com/eyeoniboc/canada-allow-hd-radio/?cid=topstory122706
Doug Smith W9WI
> "...plans to begin testing on MW-AM operations in early 2007"
>
> http://beradio.com/eyeoniboc/canada-allow-hd-radio/?cid=topstory122706
It's already been tested on FM in Toronto.
But this is a LONG way from allowing HD under the normal rules. The
CRTC released a proceeding on digital radio about two weeks ago, in
which they said they would *consider* authorizing IBOC *if* the
interference issues could be addressed. I took that as meaning they
have no intention of authorizing it under its current parameters.
The CBC in particular has problems with IBOC. They say flat out that
it's not practical to run on AM at night. Even on FM, they're worried
that it will complicate their ability to roll out enough transmitters to
meet their mandate for national coverage of all four networks.
The only really positive comments about IBOC were filed by Ibiquity.
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Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com
RHF
on both the AM & FM Broadcast Bands ? ~ RHF
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On Dec 27, 10:18 am, Doug Smith W9WI <w...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Guerite. wrote:
> > "...plans to begin testing on MW-AM operations in early 2007"
>
> >http://beradio.com/eyeoniboc/canada-allow-hd-radio/?cid=topstory122706It's already been tested on FM in Toronto.
Doug Smith W9WI
> Can Mexico be far behind with IBOC {HD-Radio}
> on both the AM & FM Broadcast Bands ? ~ RHF
Only if it catches on in the US. (IMHO very unlikely on AM and less
than 50/50 on FM)
They too have already committed to Eureka, though the marketplace
failure of DAB pretty much everywhere else except Britain will probably
limit rollout in Mexico.
John Smith I
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> Only if it catches on in the US. (IMHO very unlikely on AM and less
> than 50/50 on FM)
Digital radio will surely come to be, "in what incarnation it will exist
in?", that is the only question. Analog voice/music cannot even hold a
candle against such a blinding difference ...
JS
Doug Smith W9WI
> Digital radio will surely come to be, "in what incarnation it will exist
> in?", that is the only question. Analog voice/music cannot even hold a
> candle against such a blinding difference ...
If it does, it'll be satellite & the Internet that do it. HD can't
shake a stick at the variety on satellite. (and Internet "radio" will
blow satellite out of the water once wireless high-speed is sufficiently
widespread) And I can't imagine paying for HD when for the same money
you can get a Sirius or XM set and several months' service - and the
satellite set will still work when you leave the city limits...
In my experience (yes, I *do* own a HD radio and yes, I *do* listen
frequently) there is no blinding difference. By the time a station's
signal is strong enough to reproduce the digital audio, it's strong
enough that their *analog* is noise- and fade-free. IOW, in my
experience there *is no* difference in audio quality between HD and analog.
It may be different with the European Eureka system, I've never listened
to a Eureka radio. I should note that sales of this equipment have been
reportedly been quite poor in every country but the UK.
cuh...@webtv.net
Telamon
Doug Smith W9WI <w9...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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> In my experience (yes, I *do* own a HD radio and yes, I *do* listen
> frequently) there is no blinding difference. By the time a station's
> signal is strong enough to reproduce the digital audio, it's strong
> enough that their *analog* is noise- and fade-free.
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What a huge surprise.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
cuh...@webtv.net
Cam Links) in Nashville and cold weather does affect ones thinking.
cuhulin
John Smith I
> ...
I doubt if the present digital radio will look/work much like what we
will see in the future ...
JS
nsareject...@yahoo.com
There is absolutely no interest in digital radio in any form, anywhere
- IBOC is failing in the US, DAB has failed in Canada, and DRM is
failing in the UK.
dxAce
nsareject...@yahoo.com wrote:
Edweenie will be along shortly to tell you you're wrong!
dxAce
Michigan
USA
nsareject...@yahoo.com
I'm sure, you are right ! DE, the HD Radio/IBOC shill !
John Smith I
> ...
am/fm/sw
digital radio is in the future, no one drives a horse and buggy anymore ...
JS
John Smith I
> ...
analog modems bit the dust a LONG time ago, analog cell phones bit the
dust a while ago, analog tv is now in the process of biting the dust,
radio will shortly follow ...
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
dollars.Follow The Money.If analog radio goes belly up,you can be 100
percent certain fed govt will be rakeing in the cash.Follow The Money.
cuhulin
nsareject...@yahoo.com
digital radio offers nothing more than analog - looks like no one cares
about it.
Telamon
Digital could be the future but not the schemes currently under
development. DRM on shortwave and IBOC on AMBCB both offer no
advantages to the listener. The makers of these closed systems who
are trying to supplant the current open systems have been touting the
cost savings to the broadcasters instead.
And people still do ride horses and buggies.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
John Smith I
> ...
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> digital radio offers nothing more than analog - looks like no one cares
> about it.
>
Obviously, you are ignorant to what you speak about ... am/fm/sw radio
stations simply lack the money to go all out into digital--that is all
which slows/halts it.
JS
John Smith I
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> And people still do ride horses and buggies.
>
Not on freeways in california, it is against the law!
You are correct, "their" vision of digital radio sucks, BIG TIME!
Regards,
JS
nsareject...@yahoo.com
iBiquity's HD Radio/IBOC offers nothing but 60% the coverage of analog,
adjacent-channel interference, and extra HD channels of the same
repetitive terrestrial radio - no wonder, HD Radio is dead in the US,
DAB has failed in Canada, and DRM is struggling in the UK. The general
public is not interested in the future of terrestrial radio, but
interested in Internet Radio, call phones/streaming, WiFi and iRadio,
Satellite Radio, gaming systems, etc. There's my ignorance, asshole.
John Smith I
> ...
HD radio with drm is ridiculous. First they are going to have to lose
the drm somewhere, digital rights management is a killer, it will put am
stations out of business over night, they know that.
Talk radio I record quite a bit, for listening to later, with drm I
would have to PAY to do that, screw that, first I will go internet or tv!
The money is just not available to go digital right now, hopefully,
someone will find a way to finance that.
As for myself, I am not going to pay for anything which ends up giving
me less than I bargained for, and then end up having to buy a new
receiver just to get it!
DRM IS the problem! Plus, a wide-open method of encoding/decoding needs
to be adopted so it will give everyone an equal footing in the digital
equipment end. MP3 format is owned by a patent/copyright holder, maybe
ogg-vorbis will be the final solution. Whatever, no proprietary chit
should be involved.
JS
Brenda Ann
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Say no to institutionalized interference.
Just say NO to HD/IBOC!
<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Canada tried Eureka DAB, and it hasn't gone over. The UK also uses Eureka
DAB, but is pretty much forcing it on the citizens. They keep adding more
streams and reducing the quality of each stream (it was fairly well accepted
at first, before the inclusion of more streams of lower quality). DRM is
not used for any home services that I am aware of. It is used for SW
broadcasting, and is not yet well received primarily because of lack of
receivers and the fact that most parts of the world being served by SW radio
have poor populi that couldn't afford a DRM receiver were it available to
them.
Brenda Ann
news:en22mf$tvl$1...@aioe.org...
The DRM he's referring to isn't Digital Rights Management, but Digital Radio
Mundial, a digital scheme used in SW broadcasting. The digital service used
in the UK is not DRM, but Eureka.
John Smith I
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One thing I am sure about is, DRM (the real DRM) is buried in there
somewhere, property rights is right where all the battles are right now
in digital radio. Another drm just masks the real problem, it is just
too handy to be anything other than diabolical evil rearing its' ugly
head again ...
JS
Brenda Ann
"John Smith I" <assembl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The ONLY way we will EVER get rid of Digital Rights Management is to boycott
the entire entertainment industry, fight for fair use rights that have been
abrogated by legislation the courts recently.
John Smith I
> ...
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> The ONLY way we will EVER get rid of Digital Rights Management is to boycott
> the entire entertainment industry, fight for fair use rights that have been
> abrogated by legislation the courts recently.
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>
Brenda:
Girl, I like the way you think!
Say, you were BORN a female, weren't you? Sorry, I am from Calif. you
have to ask that here. <straight face>
Regards,
JS
Michael Black
women would never be interested in shortwave listening, or amateur radio,
or any technical hobby.
Look in the history books, and there will always be some women interested
in such hobbies. And often they were stood out, not because they
were women in predominantly male hobbies, but because they were good
at the hobby.
Michael
RHF
On Dec 28, 6:31 am, Doug Smith W9WI <w...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> John Smith I wrote:
> > Digital radio will surely come to be, "in what incarnation it will exist
> > in?", that is the only question. Analog voice/music cannot even hold a
> > candle against such a blinding difference ...
- If it does, it'll be satellite & the Internet that do it.
- HD can't shake a stick at the variety on satellite.
- (and Internet "radio" will blow satellite out of the
- water once wireless high-speed is sufficiently widespread)
- And I can't imagine paying for HD when for the same money
- you can get a Sirius or XM set and several months' service
- and the satellite set will still work when you leave the city
limits...
Satellite and Internet Radio (Audio Programming)
-IF- You Like - What's There : Anywhere You Go - It's There !
Even Comcast and other 'land-based' local Cable TV Systems
offer Digital Music that is Commercial Free 24/7 and available
to about 85% of the Homes in the USofA.
The future of HD-Radio (IBOC) is a smaller and smaller market
composed of those who will not-adapt to newer technologies
and are increasingly getting older and dying-off - with out any
new replacements growing into the listenership.
hd-radio we hardly knew you and then you were gone ~ RHF
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John Smith I
> ...
> It's an outrageous question, because it's based on the assumption that
> women would never be interested in shortwave listening, or amateur radio,
> or any technical hobby.
>
> Look in the history books, and there will always be some women interested
> in such hobbies. And often they were stood out, not because they
> were women in predominantly male hobbies, but because they were good
> at the hobby.
>
> Michael
>
That is outrageous!
It is based on the assumption that hundreds if not thousands of gender
changing operations are performed each year. And, one never knows ...
I usually look for the adams apple (a sure indication they are male),
but, the damn doctors have even figured out how to hide that!
No. My joking came only from the fact I live in Calif. and there is an
abundance of fruit loops here.
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
industry.They are all nothing but a bunch of jerks and commies anyway.
cuhulin
Doug Smith W9WI
DRM was never a major part of the digital radio plan in the UK. From
what I read DAB (same protocol as in Canada, different frequency band)
is doing quite well in the UK; indeed, last fall at least one shop has
stopped selling *analog* radios. There are plenty of ads for DAB
receivers in UK ham magazines; I don't get UK newspapers/magazines so I
don't know if DAB is being advertised in general-interest media but I
strongly suspect it is.
That said, from what I'm reading DAB isn't doing very well anywhere else.
del.icio.us
<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote
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> iBiquity's HD Radio/IBOC offers nothing but 60% the coverage of analog,
Yeah, 60% @ 1/100th of the power level of the main analog carrier - AMAZING!
del.icio.us
<cuh...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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And if the AM/FM analog radio stations don't do something to fend off the
digital radio realm of XM, Sirius, Internet, Wireless, etc, the Feds will
also be auctioning off those frequencies.
Guerite.
> >
> > And people still do ride horses and buggies.
> >
and they are NOT listening to radio
cuh...@webtv.net
I will click on the XM 40's on 4 channel and listen for a while.Good old
music from the 1940's I like,and always have liked.I wish there is a
channel with music which dates on back to the 1930's and earlier,my kind
of music.99.99 percent of so-called modern music nowdays Sucks.
Here is a good website for some good old music. www.juneberry78s.com
cuhulin
nsareject...@yahoo.com
Canada has given up on in-dash digital radio, and is installing in-dash
Satellite Radio, instead - here is an excellent article, on digital
radio in Canada:
http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com/2006/12/digital-radio-in-canada.html
Looks like nighttime AM IBOC is dead in Canada, and IBOC is still
questionable, unless the interference issues can be resolved - LOL !
nsareject...@yahoo.com
Yes, terrestrial radio has lost its younger audience to other
technologies:
http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2006/12/why-2007-will-be-another-bad-year-for.html
nsareject...@yahoo.com
Yeah, 60% @ 1/100th of the power level of the main analog carrier, and
all that adjacent-channel interference - AMAZING !
del.icio.us
<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I don't hear ANY interference when I am listening to IBOC - BWAHAHAHA!
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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Let the auction begin!
nsareject...@yahoo.com
Won't happen for decades, if ever, but HD Radio/IBOC is dead !
BAAAAAAWAAAAAA !