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Rich

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Feb 14, 2007, 9:51:05 AM2/14/07
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Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air
transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It
would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased
an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the
most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I
can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if
radios get cheap and available.

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nsareject...@yahoo.com

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Feb 14, 2007, 10:44:43 AM2/14/07
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Excellent - looks like HD Radio/IBOC on AM is almost dead:

"RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"

"Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of
reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the
anecdotal evidence suggests. (Ibiquity no longer reports in its public
summaries whether a station is on the air.)"

http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0044/t.557.html


cuh...@webtv.net

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Feb 14, 2007, 11:16:06 AM2/14/07
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Just imagine the Heinekens going out the door if everybody started
having to have HD radios.There would be more ''Katrinas'' all over
America.DIE,IBOC,DIE!
cuhulin

Steve

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Feb 14, 2007, 2:45:27 PM2/14/07
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Interest in the NYC area is spectacularly low, despite the catchy
sales slogan:

"It's high fidelity, just like FM--only you have to buy a special
radio. And the program content will be basically the same content you
already hear and don't care for on analog AM. And the signal won't
carry as well, and there'll be drop outs. Don't miss out!"

dxAce

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Feb 14, 2007, 2:54:59 PM2/14/07
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Steve wrote:

Damn, you're really gonna piss Edweenie off with that..

dxAce
Michigan
USA


cuh...@webtv.net

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Feb 14, 2007, 3:30:27 PM2/14/07
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NYC hands out condoms for Valentines day. www.drudgereport.com

Certainly more usefull than IBOC will ever be.
cuhulin

Tester

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Feb 14, 2007, 4:57:36 PM2/14/07
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:51:05 -0500, Rich <rick...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air
>transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770. It
>would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never purchased
>an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the
>most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I
>can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if
>radios get cheap and available.

http://www.nyradiotv.com/digitalradio.htm

WFAN 660 (Infinity, sports, 50 kw)
WOR 710 (Buckley, talk, 50 kw)
WABC 770 (Disney, talk, 50 kw)
WNYC 820 (non-profit, variety)
WADO 1280 (Univision - news in Spanish)

Also, WCBS 880 (50 kw) and WINS 1010 (50 kw but Canadian clear
channel) (both Infinity all news outlets) say so on their web pages
(wcbs880.com and 1010wins.com)

Googling around, I also see that Multiethnic's WPAT (930, Spanish
music, Patterson, NJ) has an HD license which they use from time to
time.

I don't see any indication that the two other 50 kw AM outlets in NYC
(Disney sports WEPN 1050, Canadian clear channel, and Disney kids
WQEW, 1560) are HD.


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dan...@yahoo.com

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Feb 14, 2007, 7:03:59 PM2/14/07
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WINS is not HD on AM. WINS news is on FM-HD2 of WWFS (formerly WNEW)
at
102.7-2 .

WCBS is HD on AM, but they are having technical problems with their
exciter- for a few weeks already.

Remember that HD on AM is during the daytime only.

I would -hope- that Ibiquity's website would be the most accurate.

This is the URL to the NYC listings:
http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdradio_find_a_station/NY/StnMarket/NewYorkNY#stationlist


On Feb 14, 4:57 pm, Tester <t...@test.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:51:05 -0500, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net>

dan...@yahoo.com

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Feb 14, 2007, 7:07:07 PM2/14/07
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Well, Ibiquity's website is definately not up to date when it comes to
call letters or music formats...

But, I do know those are the current status of WCBS and WINS (I do
NOT work for those companies or CBS Radio - it's not inside info...).


Guerite³

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Feb 15, 2007, 11:13:59 AM2/15/07
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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 14, 12:51 pm, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air
> > transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770.
It
> > would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never
purchased
> > an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the
> > most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I
> > can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if
> > radios get cheap and available.
> >

>


> Excellent - looks like HD Radio/IBOC on AM is almost dead:
>
> "RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"
>
> "Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of
> reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the
> anecdotal evidence suggests. (Ibiquity no longer reports in its public
> summaries whether a station is on the air.)"
>

If AM stations don't do anything to stem the tide of losing listenership it
will soon go the way of shortwave.

Why would anyone spend over a $1000 or $500 or $150 or even $30 on a
shortwave radio and many feet of wire hanging precariously around the garden
only to hope to listen to a handful or two of foreign radio stations
broadcasting primarily propaganda in the English language for about 1 hour a
day at best on constantly changing frequencies and schedules? All the while
hoping 'Ol Sol will bless the listener with the rare event of no static, no
fading and complete aural comprehension?

If you listen to anal-log shortwave you have got to be an idiot.

GOD BLESS IBOC, DRM, etc!


cuh...@webtv.net

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Feb 15, 2007, 11:35:42 AM2/15/07
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God Bless everything Analog.When we speak,do our voice boxes broadcast
in Analog?,I think so.Mother Nature never used digital.
cuhulin

Guerite³

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Feb 15, 2007, 12:38:04 PM2/15/07
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> God Bless everything Analog.When we speak,do our voice boxes broadcast
> in Analog?,I think so.Mother Nature never used digital.

The entire Universe is digital - Physicists have yet to discover an analog
sub-atomic particle.
The screen you are reading this from is made up of discrete digital pixels -
look closer > " . "
Your analog senses can't resolve digital information smaller than 1/60th of
a second in duration.


nsareject...@yahoo.com

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On Feb 15, 2:13�pm, "Guerite�" <a...@their.heads> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> GOD BLESS IBOC, DRM, etc!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels
command a higher advertising fee, than FM - too bad, asshole, AM is
alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.

barne...@aol.com

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Feb 15, 2007, 8:05:33 PM2/15/07
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- give me a Nice Digital Earth Quake or Digital Tidal wave any
day . . .

Digital Sunrises, digital Landslides, Digital Volcanic Eruptions,

Digital Plagues of Locusts, Too..

And, for you religious types, theres The Digital Crucifixion . . !

DIE IBOC, DIE ! ! ! !

David Eduardo

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Feb 15, 2007, 8:37:19 PM2/15/07
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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 15, 2:13?pm, "Guerite?" <a...@their.heads> wrote:
>Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels
>command a higher advertising fee, than FM - too bad, asshole, AM is
>alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.

No, that is not true. Advertising is priced based on delivery of listeners,
no matter what the format. It is always a function of a certain dollar
amount for each thousand listeners, and pricing is by delivery.

A news talk station with good ratings gets the same rate as an FM with the
same ratings in the age group an advertiser is buying.

The issue with news talkers is they often bill among the higer range in a
market because they have higher numbers of minutes of spots. While most
larger market FMs sell no more than 10 to 12 minutes of commercials, news
talk often goes to 18 minutes and has more inventory.

The problem with AM news talk stations is that most have around half the
listeners over age 55, where there are nearly no agency ad buys.

In the US, there are 4665 AMs as of last week. Of the ones in rated markets,
only a small percentage, maybe 20% at best, are viable (decent signal and
full market day and night coverage) and these tend to do well. The rest are
either religious, brokered or ethnic.

For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2. So
what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable
FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.


barne...@aol.com

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Feb 15, 2007, 10:23:44 PM2/15/07
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On Feb 14, 4:57 pm, Tester <t...@test.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:51:05 -0500, Rich <rickat...@comcast.net>

Most of the above are ' Talk Radio",

- what is the purpose of having them in HD ?


nsareject...@yahoo.com

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On Feb 15, 11:37�pm, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

There are a ton of AM stations in the D.C area, which I never listen
to, anyway. I read, that news/talk/sports on the "clears" on AM are
alive-and-well and command higher ad fees than FM. BTW, there is more-
and-more negativity surrounding HD Radio, and it is all but dead on AM
- IBOC shall die, as DAB has in Canada. Analog AM will be around for
many years - too bad ! Consumers are not interested in HD Radio, as
75% of consumers are aware of HD Radio, but interest in HD Radio has
been flat-lined for two years:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd+radio%22%2C+%22internet+radio%22%2C+xm%2C+sirius%2C+podcast

Sucka !

dan...@yahoo.com

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Feb 15, 2007, 11:05:32 PM2/15/07
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Have you ever listened to AM (MW) HD? The voices sound MUCH better
than analog!
It's actually pleasant to listen to. But, they are only HD during the
day, so they're almost useless, except on weekends! That's why WINS
AM is on FM-HD2, so that it can be on all day and night.

FM HD doesn't have too much of an audio improvement over analog HD.
The thing with FM HD, is that you can have access to more programs.


>
> Most of the above are ' Talk Radio",
>

> - what is the purpose of having them in HD ?- Hide quoted text -

Telamon

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Feb 15, 2007, 11:17:01 PM2/15/07
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In article <1171598732.4...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
dan...@yahoo.com wrote:


Low bit rate audio does not sound "good." I find analog pleasant to
listen too.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

cuh...@webtv.net

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Feb 16, 2007, 12:04:06 AM2/16/07
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http://mta.usnetworx.com/pointe-innovation/view.php?entryID=642

AM and FM Radio,most people listen to information,news,music or some
other form of entertainment.Seems to me HD IBOC radios aren't exactly
flying off the shelves compared to the millions of AM/FM radios that are
sold in America every day.
cuhulin.

David Eduardo

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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 15, 11:37?pm, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>


>> For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2.
>> So
>> what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable
>> FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.

>There are a ton of AM stations in the D.C area, which I never listen
>to, anyway.

And not one is vable. Not one covers the entire metro day and night.

> I read, that news/talk/sports on the "clears" on AM are
>alive-and-well and command higher ad fees than FM.

As I said, this is not true. they get the same ad rates ("fee" is the wrong
word) per listener as any other station. And there are only 24 or 25 of
those stations (Former 1-A clears) in the whole country, out of nearly 5
thousand AM stations.


>BTW, there is more-
>and-more negativity surrounding HD Radio, and it is all but dead on AM

No, it isn't. Stations in mmajor markets with good signals (about 150
stations in the top 100 markets) either are or will be on with HD. The rest
don't matter as they have no audience and don't cover their markets.

>- IBOC shall die, as DAB has in Canada. Analog AM will be around for
>many years - too bad !

Analog AM is dying. Fast. HD may not save it, but there is a chance. Without
it, AM is fading and the only really big format news/talk, is starting to
move to FM where it attracts attractive listeners for advertisers that it
does not do on AM.

> Consumers are not interested in HD Radio, as
>75% of consumers are aware of HD Radio, but interest in HD Radio has
>been flat-lined for two years:

Interesting, since the "official" launch was in the second quarter of 2006.


David Eduardo

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Feb 16, 2007, 2:39:58 AM2/16/07
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<dan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Have you ever listened to AM (MW) HD? The voices sound MUCH better
> than analog!
> It's actually pleasant to listen to. But, they are only HD during the
> day, so they're almost useless, except on weekends! That's why WINS
> AM is on FM-HD2, so that it can be on all day and night.

But there is so little AM listening at night that it really does not matter,
business wise.


dxAce

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Feb 16, 2007, 7:02:26 AM2/16/07
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Better to cause interference in the daytime when there are lots of listeners.

HD/IBOC = QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ron Hardin

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Feb 16, 2007, 7:29:11 AM2/16/07
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I pick off Limbaugh from WJR now, a couple hundred miles away, instead
of the local outlet, because the HD signal is cleaner audio-wise, and
WJR doesn't add the trace of echo chamber that the local affiliate
thinks makes them sound good.

However, I need an external AM antenna to do it.

The trouble with HD AM is that the ones using it aren't the ones
paying the cost; the adjacent channel stations are. Why the FCC
allows that, I can't say. Probably a payoff from IBOC.

--
Ron Hardin
rhha...@mindspring.com

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

David

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Feb 16, 2007, 8:52:08 AM2/16/07
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Broadcasting in the public interest includes the night.

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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Feb 16, 2007, 9:26:07 AM2/16/07
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Just, like the big launch of 2006 - the Cartel is using the same
failed strategies !

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The broadcast bands are already over-crowed with stations - who needs
more low-bitrate HD channels, that broadcast the same repetitive
programming, if one can even receive the lousy HD channels.

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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Feb 16, 2007, 9:43:16 AM2/16/07
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As I said, news/talk/sports on AM is alive-and-well and command higher
ad dollars than FM. You are just one of the naysayers, who shill
IBOC,as the great savior. The FM band is already over-crowded and
there is no big move from AM to FM.

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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On Feb 16, 5:39�am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> <danr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

If that is true, then why is news/talk/.sport so popular at night.

Guerite³

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Feb 16, 2007, 12:47:47 PM2/16/07
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You argue like a two year old.
<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote
Neo-Liberal non-logic


Guerite³

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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote

>If that is true, then why is news/talk/.sport so popular at night.

Says you? bwaHAHAHA!!!!


nsareject...@yahoo.com

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On Feb 16, 3:50�pm, "Guerite�" <a...@their.heads> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote

>
> >If that is true, then why is news/talk/.sport so popular at night.
>
> Says you?  bwaHAHAHA!!!!

So, how much did you piss away, on your worthless HD radios ?
bwaHAHAHA!!!!

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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On Feb 16, 3:47?pm, "Guerite?" <a...@their.heads> wrote:
> You argue like a two year old.
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Neo-Liberal non-logic

You, talk like a one-year-old.

David Eduardo

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"David" <ric...@knac.com> wrote in message
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And what interest is served by a band that becomes unused and irrelevant?
Only a few percent of all listeners under 35 ever listen to AM (in other
words, under 10%) and that figure declines every year.

Anyway, younger listeners have chosen to pretty much ignore AM all day, and
the few remaining ones use the band even less at night. This is a listener
decision, not a station one.

Further, a station may choose what listener group it is going to serve,
including by age, sex, ethnicity, etc. Service does not mean serving all
people alike... just some of them.


David Eduardo

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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 5:39?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

As I said, news/talk/sports on AM is alive-and-well and command higher


ad dollars than FM. You are just one of the naysayers, who shill
IBOC,as the great savior. The FM band is already over-crowded and
there is no big move from AM to FM.

News/talkers on AM get "market rates" that are identical for each
demograsphic target to FMs. A station with 50,000 AQH listeners on AM will
get the same rate as one on FM, not more... as long as you are comparing the
same demos.

AM news talk stations do NOT get higher rates for equivalent listenrship
than FMs do.

I did not say AM statios were turning in their licences and getting new FM
licences. Operators are moving ageing talk formats from AM to FM to improve
the younger demo performance...

KTAR AM in Phoenix moved to FM, making the AM all sports after moving the
sports format from another, inferior AM whcih will be sold or donated.

WTOP AM in Washington, DC, a 50 kw AM, moved 100% to FM and put an
experimental format on the AM in conjunction with a local newswpaper.

KSL in Salt Lake City began simulcasting in 2006 with an FM to improve
younger demos... despite KSL being a 1A clear channel.

WNLS in Tallahassee moved the n/t format to FM, leaving sports on the AM.

Clear Channel has started FM news talkers in Pittsburg and New Orleans from
scratch. The P'burg one already beats AMer KDKA significantly in 25-54, and
the NO one is dramatically impacting WWL, clear channel 870.

Cox has begun simulcasting is Jacksonville and Dayton AM talkers on FM to
improved the greying demos and lake of sales growth on the AM band.

And the story is just beginning. News talk can't survive long on AM as the
demos are old and unsalable, so more and more will move to FM.


David Eduardo

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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It isn't.


Ma...@kb9rqz.org

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:38:04 -0600, "Guerite³" <a...@their.heads>
wrote:

>> God Bless everything Analog.When we speak,do our voice boxes broadcast
>> in Analog?,I think so.Mother Nature never used digital.
>
>The entire Universe is digital

no it is quatized
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

David

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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:53:32 GMT, "David Eduardo"
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:


>And what interest is served by a band that becomes unused and irrelevant?
>Only a few percent of all listeners under 35 ever listen to AM (in other
>words, under 10%)

That's still millions of people. You are a whore.

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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On Feb 17, 12:03?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Another IBOC shill, full-of-shit !

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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Feb 17, 2007, 10:19:49 AM2/17/07
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There's not enough room on FM

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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"FM Translators for AM Stations?"

"And this might not be the best case. As you may remember, the FCC
already has an open proceeding trying to determine the relative value
of FM translators versus low power FM stations. That proceeding seeks
to determine if low power FM stations should receive a preference over
FM translators. That proceeding also put a freeze on the processing
of all new FM translator applications - a freeze that was supposed to
last 6 months but has now been in place for almost a year and a half.
Since the FM translators that would be authorized by the NAB proposal
could also preclude LPFM stations, as well as be precluded by the
translators still pending from the last FM translator window, the
opportunity to file for translators for AM stations may be technically
precluded in some areas, and may not be able to occur until the LPFM
issues are resolved. And none of that may come quickly."

http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/archives/fm-translators-and-lpfm-fm-translators-for-am-stations.html

You lose !

David Eduardo

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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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OK, potty mouth: show me how there is so much listening to AM news talk at
night that we could apply the term "popular" to it.

Remember, we need numbers of persons, not share. A 10 share in 7PM-Midnight
is less than a 2 share at 7AM in terms of people. A 20 share at 11 PM is
less people than a 1 share at 7 AM.

Example: At 7 AM, 2.6 million people are listening to radio in Los Angeles,
19.5% of whom are listening to AM
At 11 PM, of the 500,000 listening to radio, only 2.3% were listening to AM.
So not only does AM command a very small percentage of peak hour listening,
it even underperforms its own weak overall showing in evening hours.

Then, looking at younger demos, in 12 to 34, 7 AM, AM has only a 5.9 share
of radio listening, and at 11 PM it is down to a 2.3% share.

So, AM night listening is dismal 12+, and nearly non-existent at night!


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 10:57:26 AM2/17/07
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David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to BS the
masses when he wrote:

Let's forget for a moment that you're a known pathological liar and a fake
Hispanic and ask ourselves what does the above have to do with the fact that
you're a shill for IBOC?

dxAce
Michigan
USA


David Eduardo

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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 17, 12:02?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171636996.8...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 16, 5:39?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> As I said, news/talk/sports on AM is alive-and-well and command higher
>> ad dollars than FM. You are just one of the naysayers, who shill
>> IBOC,as the great savior. The FM band is already over-crowded and
>> there is no big move from AM to FM.
>>
>> News/talkers on AM get "market rates" that are identical for each
>> demograsphic target to FMs. A station with 50,000 AQH listeners on AM
>> will
>> get the same rate as one on FM, not more... as long as you are comparing
>> the
>> same demos.
>>
>> AM news talk stations do NOT get higher rates for equivalent listenrship
>> than FMs do.
>>
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>> I did not say AM statios were turning in their licences and getting new
>> FM
>> licences. Operators are moving ageing talk formats from AM to FM to
>> improve
>> the younger demo performance...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>
>> KTAR AM in Phoenix moved to FM, making the AM all sports after moving the
>> sports format from another, inferior AM whcih will be sold or donated.
>>
>> WTOP AM in Washington, DC, a 50 kw AM, moved 100% to FM and put an
>> experimental format on the AM in conjunction with a local newswpaper.
>>
>> KSL in Salt Lake City began simulcasting in 2006 with an FM to improve
>> younger demos... despite KSL being a 1A clear channel.
>>
>> WNLS in Tallahassee moved the n/t format to FM, leaving sports on the AM.
>>
>> Clear Channel has started FM news talkers in Pittsburg and New Orleans
>> from
>> scratch. The P'burg one already beats AMer KDKA significantly in 25-54,
>> and
>> the NO one is dramatically impacting WWL, clear channel 870.
>>
>> Cox has begun simulcasting is Jacksonville and Dayton AM talkers on FM to
>> improved the greying demos and lake of sales growth on the AM band.
>>
>> And the story is just beginning. News talk can't survive long on AM as
>> the
>> demos are old and unsalable, so more and more will move to FM.
>
> There's not enough room on FM


Try reading my first paragraph again. I said that operastors are moving the
news/talk formats to FM from AM. I did not say they were getting enw
licences. Owners of both AMs and FMs in many markets are taking the format
(the intellectual property) from the AM and plugging the audio into an FM
station (replacing the existing music format).

In other words, they have found that putting the news talk format they had
been putting on an AM transmitter onto an FM station the 35-54 listening
increases considerably, reversing the downtrend seen on the AM channel. In
some cases, the remaining AM frequency, devoid of its format, became nearly
valuless (like 1500 in DC) and in other cases a simulcast is being run to
offer the fomrat on both bands... FM for younger, more salable demographics,
and AM for the traditional listener (like WOKV in Jacksonville is doing).

There is plenty of "room" on FM. All it takes is a lesser performing FM
format that can be replaced by an existing, but ageing, AM news talk format
and you have instant success and better demographics.
>


David Eduardo

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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171725926....@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...

> On Feb 17, 12:02?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> And the story is just beginning. News talk can't survive long on AM as
>> the
>> demos are old and unsalable, so more and more will move to FM.
>
> "FM Translators for AM Stations?"
>
> "And this might not be the best case. As you may remember, the FCC
> already has an open proceeding trying to determine the relative value
> of FM translators versus low power FM stations. That proceeding seeks
> to determine if low power FM stations should receive a preference over
> FM translators. That proceeding also put a freeze on the processing
> of all new FM translator applications - a freeze that was supposed to
> last 6 months but has now been in place for almost a year and a half.
> Since the FM translators that would be authorized by the NAB proposal
> could also preclude LPFM stations, as well as be precluded by the
> translators still pending from the last FM translator window, the
> opportunity to file for translators for AM stations may be technically
> precluded in some areas, and may not be able to occur until the LPFM
> issues are resolved. And none of that may come quickly."

You just missed the point, I think. I am talking about an owner replacing an
existing music format on an FM they own with the AM news talk format. No new
channels or transmitters or frequencies or antennas or anything are needed.
The format is changed by telling the router in the TOC at the station to
send the audio to the designated FM instead of the AM (or in addition to
that).

There is no licensing or technical change... it is all about content and
where it gets placed.


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:45D725E6...@milestones.com...

>
>
> David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to BS
> the
> masses when he wrote:

It's my legal name and has been for over 5 decades, you fool.


>
>>
>> So, AM night listening is dismal 12+, and nearly non-existent at night!
>
> Let's forget for a moment that you're a known pathological liar

An impression formed only in your twisted, welfare-dependent mind.

>and a fake
> Hispanic

"Hispanic" is a culture. I am culturally Hispanic. I don't understand how
this is such a big deal. Were I to have been lost in the Amazonian forrest
at age 13, and raised by Aucas, I would culturally be an Auca 5 decades
later.

>and ask ourselves what does the above have to do with the fact that
> you're a shill for IBOC?

Actually, I am hopeful (but not optimistic) that AM can be saved as a useful
part of radio's offerings to the public based on improving its quality and
perception. HD is about the only viable answer we have right now...
otherwise, we can write off AM in the next 5 to 10 years, totally.


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 11:19:04 AM2/17/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D725E6...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to BS
> > the
> > masses when he wrote:
>
> It's my legal name and has been for over 5 decades, you fool.
> >
> >>
> >> So, AM night listening is dismal 12+, and nearly non-existent at night!
> >
> > Let's forget for a moment that you're a known pathological liar
>
> An impression formed only in your twisted, welfare-dependent mind.

Welfare?

>
>
> >and a fake
> > Hispanic
>
> "Hispanic" is a culture. I am culturally Hispanic. I don't understand how
> this is such a big deal. Were I to have been lost in the Amazonian forrest
> at age 13, and raised by Aucas, I would culturally be an Auca 5 decades
> later.

You've been a fake Hispanic since c.2000 when you dreamed up the 'Eduardo'
shtick.

>
>
> >and ask ourselves what does the above have to do with the fact that
> > you're a shill for IBOC?
>
> Actually, I am hopeful (but not optimistic) that AM can be saved as a useful
> part of radio's offerings to the public based on improving its quality and
> perception. HD is about the only viable answer we have right now...

Yeah, since it needs saving might as well QRM!

LMFAO at the pathological prancing fool.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


dxAce

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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D725E6...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to BS
> > the
> > masses when he wrote:
>
> It's my legal name and has been for over 5 decades, you fool.

That's real funny! Nobody back home in Cleveland seems to recall that.

Keep trying the BS, you might hit on something that works one of these days.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:45D72AF8...@milestones.com...
>
>
> David Eduardo wrote:
>

>>
>> An impression formed only in your twisted, welfare-dependent mind.
>
> Welfare?

I see. Your income comes from where?


>>
>> "Hispanic" is a culture. I am culturally Hispanic. I don't understand how
>> this is such a big deal. Were I to have been lost in the Amazonian
>> forrest
>> at age 13, and raised by Aucas, I would culturally be an Auca 5 decades
>> later.
>
> You've been a fake Hispanic since c.2000 when you dreamed up the 'Eduardo'
> shtick.

Actually, it was given me at the time of my baptism... which was about 50
years before the date you name


>
>> >and ask ourselves what does the above have to do with the fact that
>> > you're a shill for IBOC?
>>
>> Actually, I am hopeful (but not optimistic) that AM can be saved as a
>> useful
>> part of radio's offerings to the public based on improving its quality
>> and
>> perception. HD is about the only viable answer we have right now...
>
> Yeah, since it needs saving might as well QRM!

The way you seem to prefer is to reduce interference by having stations fall
silent.

Nobody but a few DXers really cares abut adjacent channel reception in the
shadow of a powerful local signal.


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:45D72CF7...@milestones.com...

>
>
> David Eduardo wrote:
>
>> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
>> news:45D725E6...@milestones.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to
>> > BS
>> > the
>> > masses when he wrote:
>>
>> It's my legal name and has been for over 5 decades, you fool.
>
> That's real funny! Nobody back home in Cleveland seems to recall that.

Nobody "back home" would remember as I have nearly no family there and left
a decade before the time adult friendships are developed. Who in the would
_would_ know? Of course, on my first daughter's birth certificate, dated
1965, the "father's name" has "Eduardo" as my second given name.

There you go... but I fail to see how it matters what name I have and use.
J. Paul Getty chose to use his second given name as opposed to the first
one... it was his choice, and he used it most of his life. Was he a fake
because he liked one name more than another?

You seem to attach importance to things that are either unimportant or just
matters of personal choice.

dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 12:09:33 PM2/17/07
to

David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', yet again spewed BS when he
wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D72AF8...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
>
> >>
> >> An impression formed only in your twisted, welfare-dependent mind.
> >
> > Welfare?
>
> I see. Your income comes from where?

Several sources, none of them being welfare, prancer boy!

>
> >>
> >> "Hispanic" is a culture. I am culturally Hispanic. I don't understand how
> >> this is such a big deal. Were I to have been lost in the Amazonian
> >> forrest
> >> at age 13, and raised by Aucas, I would culturally be an Auca 5 decades
> >> later.
> >
> > You've been a fake Hispanic since c.2000 when you dreamed up the 'Eduardo'
> > shtick.
>
> Actually, it was given me at the time of my baptism... which was about 50
> years before the date you name

Absolutely pathological!

>

>
> >
> >> >and ask ourselves what does the above have to do with the fact that
> >> > you're a shill for IBOC?
> >>
> >> Actually, I am hopeful (but not optimistic) that AM can be saved as a
> >> useful
> >> part of radio's offerings to the public based on improving its quality
> >> and
> >> perception. HD is about the only viable answer we have right now...
> >
> > Yeah, since it needs saving might as well QRM!
>
> The way you seem to prefer is to reduce interference by having stations fall
> silent.

No, I'd like them to drop HD/IBOC. Pay attention, prancer!

>
>
> Nobody but a few DXers really cares abut adjacent channel reception in the
> shadow of a powerful local signal.

Nobody?

Still LMFAO at the pathological prancing fool.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:45D736CD...@milestones.com...
>
>
> David Gleason, wrote:

>> > Welfare?
>>
>> I see. Your income comes from where?
>
> Several sources, none of them being welfare, prancer boy!

All of them sharing the commonality that they come from the government, as
opposed to money you earned, right?


>>
>> Actually, it was given me at the time of my baptism... which was about 50
>> years before the date you name
>
> Absolutely pathological!

Just simply true...


...
>> >
>> > Yeah, since it needs saving might as well QRM!
>>
>> The way you seem to prefer is to reduce interference by having stations
>> fall
>> silent.
>
> No, I'd like them to drop HD/IBOC. Pay attention, prancer!

Considering that AM is dying (nearly nobody under 35 ever listens) what you
are saying is that you want th eonly potentially viable solution for AM to
be discarded, which will result in a guarantee that AM will die, and soon.


>
>>
>>
>> Nobody but a few DXers really cares abut adjacent channel reception in
>> the
>> shadow of a powerful local signal.
>
> Nobody?

Yeah, statistically, nobody.


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 12:14:51 PM2/17/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D72CF7...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> news:45D725E6...@milestones.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to
> >> > BS
> >> > the
> >> > masses when he wrote:
> >>
> >> It's my legal name and has been for over 5 decades, you fool.
> >
> > That's real funny! Nobody back home in Cleveland seems to recall that.
>
> Nobody "back home" would remember as I have nearly no family there and left
> a decade before the time adult friendships are developed. Who in the would
> _would_ know?

Obviously several people and/or institutions!

> Of course, on my first daughter's birth certificate, dated
> 1965, the "father's name" has "Eduardo" as my second given name.

I somehow doubt that, but hey, it's YOUR fantasy, not mine.

>
>
> There you go... but I fail to see how it matters what name I have and use.
> J. Paul Getty chose to use his second given name as opposed to the first
> one... it was his choice, and he used it most of his life. Was he a fake
> because he liked one name more than another?
>
> You seem to attach importance to things that are either unimportant or just
> matters of personal choice.

Nah, I just attach importance to things I know are BS.

Keep the laughs coming, prancer boy!

dxAce
Michigan
USA


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 12:23:12 PM2/17/07
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David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to come up


with some credible BS when he wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D736CD...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Gleason, wrote:
>
> >> > Welfare?
> >>
> >> I see. Your income comes from where?
> >
> > Several sources, none of them being welfare, prancer boy!
>
> All of them sharing the commonality that they come from the government, as
> opposed to money you earned, right?

Well, I did earn my benefits from the VA, and I did earn my Social Security
benefits, and I did earn my pension from my previous place of employment, and I
did earn the money that is in the bank paying me interest!

Back over to you, prancer!

dxAce
Michigan
USA


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 12:42:15 PM2/17/07
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dxAce wrote:

And how did I get to where I'm at today? It was all because of a Genuine Hispanic
who wasn't supposed to be driving and decided to ignore that stop sign (she was
late for her burger flipping job)... guess she couldn't understand English.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


cuh...@webtv.net

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There are many millions of people who work in factories at night and who
are driving at night,such as truck drivers,Airplane Pilots,boat
people,Military people in America and around the World,fed govt
snoops/spies/a..holes and many others who listen to talk radio at
night.Talk radio is very,very popular with those people,whether it's on
AM or FM radio or Shortwave or computers.

For local area radio talk shows I listen to a few certain talk radio
shows on www.supertalkms.com (Paul Gallo and Garden Mama and JT and
Dave on supertalkms) and www.wjnt.com
For music,I have the best taste in music in the World.On DirecTV,XM 40s
on 4,songs from the 30s and 40s.On local area radio,
www.miss103.com/main.html www.us963.com/home.php www.wyab.com
www.wmpr901.com/index.php
I have to admit,songs/music from the 30s and 40s really,really is my all
time favorites,always has been,always will be.
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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cuhulin (CATTLE RAID OF COOLEY,Tir na nOg) is only one of my six
nicknames I use on my six (count em,six) webtv thingys.
cuhulin

David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:45D73A00...@milestones.com...

An entitlement is just that... an entitlement, not a job. Just as I thought.


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:45D7380A...@milestones.com...

>
>
> David Eduardo wrote:
>
>>
>> Nobody "back home" would remember as I have nearly no family there and
>> left
>> a decade before the time adult friendships are developed. Who in the
>> would
>> _would_ know?
>
> Obviously several people and/or institutions!

Not likely. You are fabricating to support your biases and bigotry. It would
be even more fun if I could find a Canadian relative of significance, but I
can not seem to find any for you to bash.


>
>> Of course, on my first daughter's birth certificate, dated
>> 1965, the "father's name" has "Eduardo" as my second given name.
>
> I somehow doubt that, but hey, it's YOUR fantasy, not mine.

Go for it. Write to the Registro demográfico in Quito, Ecuador and look for
Maria Luisa Gleason Parra. Of course, you will have to write in Spanish, oh
monolingual one.


>>
>> There you go... but I fail to see how it matters what name I have and
>> use.
>> J. Paul Getty chose to use his second given name as opposed to the first
>> one... it was his choice, and he used it most of his life. Was he a fake
>> because he liked one name more than another?
>>
>> You seem to attach importance to things that are either unimportant or
>> just
>> matters of personal choice.
>
> Nah, I just attach importance to things I know are BS.

Only Karnak was prescient , and that was an act. You have no real way to
know.


>
> Keep the laughs coming, prancer boy!
>

Have you ever thought that a bigot like you, who puts down Canadians and all
manner of other ethnic and national groups might just be the real source of
mirth on this ng?


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 1:22:15 PM2/17/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D73A00...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to
> > come up
> > with some credible BS when he wrote:
> >
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> news:45D736CD...@milestones.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > David Gleason, wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > Welfare?
> >> >>
> >> >> I see. Your income comes from where?
> >> >
> >> > Several sources, none of them being welfare, prancer boy!
> >>
> >> All of them sharing the commonality that they come from the government,
> >> as
> >> opposed to money you earned, right?
> >
> > Well, I did earn my benefits from the VA, and I did earn my Social
> > Security
> > benefits, and I did earn my pension from my previous place of employment,
> > and I
> > did earn the money that is in the bank paying me interest!
>
> An entitlement is just that... an entitlement, not a job. Just as I thought.

Awwwww... make me laugh some more, prancer boy!

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:45D73E77...@milestones.com...

And so you are going to take out the obvious and understandable frustration
of such an event on people who have nothing to do with the person who caused
your accident?


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 1:23:45 PM2/17/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

No. But thanks for the laughs you've given me, oh fake one!

dxAce
Michigan
USA


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 1:27:50 PM2/17/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

Awww... listen to the pathological liar whine.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 1:31:42 PM2/17/07
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David Frackelton Gleason, still prancing as 'Eduardo', swished over to his
keyboard and wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D73A00...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', tried yet again to
> > come up
> > with some credible BS when he wrote:
> >
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> news:45D736CD...@milestones.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > David Gleason, wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > Welfare?
> >> >>
> >> >> I see. Your income comes from where?
> >> >
> >> > Several sources, none of them being welfare, prancer boy!
> >>
> >> All of them sharing the commonality that they come from the government,
> >> as
> >> opposed to money you earned, right?
> >
> > Well, I did earn my benefits from the VA, and I did earn my Social
> > Security
> > benefits, and I did earn my pension from my previous place of employment,
> > and I
> > did earn the money that is in the bank paying me interest!
>
> An entitlement is just that... an entitlement, not a job. Just as I thought.

No, not just as you thought, retard boy... you originally thought I was on
welfare!

Pull your head out of your prancing ass.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


David Eduardo

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Feb 17, 2007, 1:45:30 PM2/17/07
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:45D74A0E...@milestones.com...
>
>
> David Frackelton Gleason,wrote:

>>
>> An entitlement is just that... an entitlement, not a job. Just as I
>> thought.
>
> No, not just as you thought, retard boy... you originally thought I was on
> welfare!

You are certainly, as I imagined, not living from your own work.

Listening to the radio is not a job, even for me.


dxAce

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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D74A0E...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Frackelton Gleason,wrote:
> >>
> >> An entitlement is just that... an entitlement, not a job. Just as I
> >> thought.
> >
> > No, not just as you thought, retard boy... you originally thought I was on
> > welfare!
>
> You are certainly, as I imagined, not living from your own work.

Merely making do with the benefits (that I earned) the Genuine Hispanic bestowed
upon me prematurely!

> Listening to the radio is not a job, even for me.

Presently it's not a job for me either!

Keep the laughs coming, oh retarded one!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

del.icio.us.

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Feb 17, 2007, 2:22:21 PM2/17/07
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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> So, how much did you piss away, on your worthless HD radios ?

All the money I saved not spending on useless shortwave radios -
bwaHAHAHA!!!!

dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 3:41:13 PM2/17/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D7380A...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Nobody "back home" would remember as I have nearly no family there and
> >> left
> >> a decade before the time adult friendships are developed. Who in the
> >> would
> >> _would_ know?
> >
> > Obviously several people and/or institutions!
>
> Not likely. You are fabricating to support your biases and bigotry. It would
> be even more fun if I could find a Canadian relative of significance, but I
> can not seem to find any for you to bash.
> >
> >> Of course, on my first daughter's birth certificate, dated
> >> 1965, the "father's name" has "Eduardo" as my second given name.
> >
> > I somehow doubt that, but hey, it's YOUR fantasy, not mine.
>
> Go for it. Write to the Registro demográfico in Quito, Ecuador and look for
> Maria Luisa Gleason Parra. Of course, you will have to write in Spanish, oh
> monolingual one.

Hey, did she get kicked out of Ecuador at gunpoint along with you?

dxAce
Michigan
USA


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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No, she is an Ecuadorian citizen, and currently owns several radio stations
there


dxAce

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David Eduardo wrote:

She's an American citizen as well, right?


David Eduardo

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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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No.


dxAce

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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D76BAC...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> news:45D76869...@milestones.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:45D7380A...@milestones.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >> >> >
>
> >> No, she is an Ecuadorian citizen, and currently owns several radio
> >> stations
> >> there
> >
> > She's an American citizen as well, right?
>
> No.

When did she change that?


David Eduardo

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Feb 17, 2007, 4:03:46 PM2/17/07
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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It's by birth. She has never been a US citizen.


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 4:11:41 PM2/17/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> news:45D76D61...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> news:45D76BAC...@milestones.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:45D76869...@milestones.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:45D7380A...@milestones.com...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >>
> >> >> No, she is an Ecuadorian citizen, and currently owns several radio
> >> >> stations
> >> >> there
> >> >
> >> > She's an American citizen as well, right?
> >>
> >> No.
> >
> > When did she change that?
>
> It's by birth. She has never been a US citizen.

Interesting. Here is what you stated back on June 20, 2003 in
alt.politics.immigration:

"My oldest daughter is a dual Ecuadorian and American citizen, as she3 was born
in Ecuador and registered at the US Embassy as being of American parentage."

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/browse_thread/thread/25b535c6088a4868/bab6304d9024c3ce?lnk=st&q=david+eduardo+daughter&rnum=7#bab6304d9024c3ce>

I always find it interesting when I must remind a pathological liar of the
things they've stated in the past.

dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 4:26:49 PM2/17/07
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dxAce wrote:

Edweenie is now busily scurrying about looking for a new crock of shit to crack open!

What tales will he regale us with next?


David Eduardo

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Feb 17, 2007, 4:29:32 PM2/17/07
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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Dual nationals have, or at least, had in 1965, the right to choose
citizenship at the age of majority. While a dual national by birth, my
daughter chose later not to register as an American, and that right expired
nearly 20 years ago.

She also never got a US passport prior to becoming 18... although she could
have. Yet, legally, until she made her choice, she was a US citizen.

See'? Nothing is black and white. You are making a big deal out of a
technicality.


dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 4:36:21 PM2/17/07
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The only technicality here is that you're a pathological liar. If that "right" expired 20 years ago then why were you, on June 20, 2003, stating that she's a dual citizen...
hmmmm?

Glad you found that new crock!

dxAce
Michigan
USA


David Eduardo

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Feb 17, 2007, 4:38:40 PM2/17/07
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> David Frackelton Gleason, who insists upon posing as 'Eduardo' while
> doling out the BS in ever larger helpings wrote:
>
>>
>> She also never got a US passport prior to becoming 18... although she
>> could
>> have. Yet, legally, until she made her choice, she was a US citizen.
>>
>> See'? Nothing is black and white. You are making a big deal out of a
>> technicality.
>
> The only technicality here is that you're a pathological liar. If that
> "right" expired 20 years ago then why were you, on June 20, 2003, stating
> that she's a dual citizen...
> hmmmm?

You are nitpicking. In the past context, you were asking about citizenship
by birth, which was dual. It's as simple as that. What a person does later
is up to them.


cuh...@webtv.net

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Feb 17, 2007, 4:36:52 PM2/17/07
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I just now received an email from someone in Canada.He or she refered to
dxAce and RHF as clowns.Well,he or she in Canada,dxAce and RHF are NOT
clowns! Now,go paddle your Canadian Canoe!
cuhulin

dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 4:43:55 PM2/17/07
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David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as 'Eduardo', the persistent pathological
liar wrote:

You're a pathological liar, and I just caught you again! Go peddle your BS
elsewhere.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA


nsareject...@yahoo.com

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Feb 17, 2007, 5:50:47 PM2/17/07
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On Feb 17, 3:13?pm, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> "dxAce" <d...@milestones.com> wrote in message

>
> news:45D736CD...@milestones.com...
>
>
>
> > David Gleason, wrote:
> >> > Welfare?
>
> >> I see. Your income comes from where?
>
> > Several sources, none of them being welfare, prancer boy!
>
> All of them sharing the commonality that they come from the government, as
> opposed to money you earned, right?
>
>
>
> >> Actually, it was given me at the time of my baptism... which was about 50
> >> years before the date you name
>
> > Absolutely pathological!
>
> Just simply true...
> ...
>
>
>
> >> > Yeah, since it needs saving might as well QRM!
>
> >> The way you seem to prefer is to reduce interference by having stations
> >> fall
> >> silent.
>
> > No, I'd like them to drop HD/IBOC. Pay attention, prancer!
>
> Considering that AM is dying (nearly nobody under 35 ever listens) what you
> are saying is that you want th eonly potentially viable solution for AM to
> be discarded, which will result in a guarantee that AM will die, and soon.
>
>
>
> >> Nobody but a few DXers really cares abut adjacent channel reception in
> >> the
> >> shadow of a powerful local signal.
>
> > Nobody?
>
> Yeah, statistically, nobody.

AM news/talk/sports on the "clears" is alive-and-well - IBOC Shill !

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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Feb 17, 2007, 5:53:47 PM2/17/07
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On Feb 17, 6:50�pm, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> "dxAce" <d...@milestones.com> wrote in message

>
> news:45D76869...@milestones.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > David Eduardo wrote:
>
> >> "dxAce" <d...@milestones.com> wrote in message
> there- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So, how does Univision feel about you spending all of you valuable
time blogging - you must be totally worthless. Maybe, they are afraid
of firing you, because you are a fake Hispanic !

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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Feb 17, 2007, 5:56:54 PM2/17/07
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On Feb 15, 11:37�pm, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1171586977.0...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 15, 2:13?pm, "Guerite?" <a...@their.heads> wrote:
>
> >Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels
> >command a higher advertising fee, than FM -  too bad, asshole, AM is
> >alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.
>
> No, that is not true. Advertising is priced based on delivery of listeners,
> no matter what the format. It is always a function of a certain dollar
> amount for each thousand listeners, and pricing is by delivery.
>
> A news talk station with good ratings gets the same rate as an FM with the
> same ratings in the age group an advertiser is buying.
>
> The issue with news talkers is they often bill among the higer range in a
> market because they have higher numbers of minutes of spots. While most
> larger market FMs sell no more than 10 to 12 minutes of commercials, news
> talk often goes to 18 minutes and has more inventory.
>
> The problem with AM news talk stations is that most have around half the
> listeners over age 55, where there are nearly no agency ad buys.
>
> In the US, there are 4665 AMs as of last week. Of the ones in rated markets,
> only a small percentage, maybe 20% at best, are viable (decent signal and
> full market day and night coverage) and these tend to do well. The rest are
> either religious, brokered or ethnic.
>
> For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2. So
> what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable
> FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.


What a pathetic, fat, worthless old man - you have no social skills,
because your 24/7 interaction with people is spent blogging !

Telamon

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Feb 17, 2007, 9:31:03 PM2/17/07
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In article <CsFBh.19674$ji1....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:

>
> <nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1171725535....@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


> > On Feb 17, 12:03?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> >> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>

> >> news:1171637057.1...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Feb 16, 5:39?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > <danr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> >news:1171598732.4...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> > > Have you ever listened to AM (MW) HD? The voices sound MUCH better
> >> > > than analog!
> >> > > It's actually pleasant to listen to. But, they are only HD during the
> >> > > day, so they're almost useless, except on weekends! That's why WINS
> >> > > AM is on FM-HD2, so that it can be on all day and night.
> >>
> >> > But there is so little AM listening at night that it really does not
> >> > matter,
> >> > business wise.
> >> >If that is true, then why is news/talk/.sport so popular at night.
> >>
> >> It isn't.
> >
> > Another IBOC shill, full-of-shit !
>
> OK, potty mouth: show me how there is so much listening to AM news talk at
> night that we could apply the term "popular" to it.

< Snip >

It is popular with me... so there.

You asked and you shall receive.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

dxAce

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Feb 17, 2007, 9:36:29 PM2/17/07
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Telamon wrote:

Yeah, same here. Popular.

I lay in bed and tune around to find AM news talk from whererever I can find it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


David Eduardo

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Feb 17, 2007, 10:25:41 PM2/17/07
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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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There are only 24 or 25 of those. There are 4800 AM stations. How about
them?

And I know of one 1A clear that is considering an FM simulcast, and there is
already one doing a simulcast.

In Philadelphia and New Orleans, FM news talkers are beating KDKA and WWL
respectively, showing that n/t, on FM will do much better than on AM.


David Eduardo

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Feb 17, 2007, 10:28:15 PM2/17/07
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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>So, how does Univision feel about you spending all of you valuable
>time blogging - you must be totally worthless. Maybe, they are afraid
>of firing you, because you are a fake Hispanic !

What I do on my free time is of no concern. And I don't even have a blog.

Perhaps the fact that Univsion Radio was the only radio company given an "A"
by Lehman Bros. based on fall ratings performance may have something to do
with how I get along with them!


David Eduardo

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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>What a pathetic, fat, worthless old man - you have no social skills,
>because your 24/7 interaction with people is spent blogging !

I gyuess this means that you can't refute my listing of AM n/t stations
already moved to FM.

Usenet is not a bloodspot.


David Eduardo

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Feb 17, 2007, 10:30:21 PM2/17/07
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I lay in bed and tune around to find AM news talk from whererever I can
> find it.
>

So that makes two listeners. Hardly "popular."


cuh...@webtv.net

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Feb 17, 2007, 10:44:03 PM2/17/07
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Talk Radio is very popular with me.Fortunately though,when George
''scared of Ouija Boards'' Noory and Art ''married a young girl'' Bell
come on the air at midnight,that is at the time O' night I cut the light
and dream of going on Cattledrives from Texas to Montana and catching a
choo choo Train on the way back.
cuhulin

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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On Feb 18, 1:25?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

AM news/talk/sports on the "clears" is alive-and-well.

nsareject...@yahoo.com

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Feb 18, 2007, 2:24:23 AM2/18/07
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On Feb 18, 1:29?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

The move has stalled with the FCC. AM news/talk/sports is alive-and-
well. There still are thousands of AM stations and I can always DX to
Canada - no nighttime IBOC in Canada. DAB has failed in Canada, as HD
Radio/IBOC is failing here.

dxAce

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Feb 18, 2007, 6:07:49 AM2/18/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

Well one thing is certain, boy... you're a pathological liar.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA


dxAce

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Feb 18, 2007, 8:12:40 AM2/18/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message

> news:45D7380A...@milestones.com...
> >
> >
> > David Eduardo wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Nobody "back home" would remember as I have nearly no family there and
> >> left
> >> a decade before the time adult friendships are developed. Who in the
> >> would
> >> _would_ know?
> >
> > Obviously several people and/or institutions!
>
> Not likely. You are fabricating to support your biases and bigotry. It would
> be even more fun if I could find a Canadian relative of significance, but I
> can not seem to find any for you to bash.
> >
> >> Of course, on my first daughter's birth certificate, dated
> >> 1965, the "father's name" has "Eduardo" as my second given name.
> >
> > I somehow doubt that, but hey, it's YOUR fantasy, not mine.
>
> Go for it. Write to the Registro demográfico in Quito, Ecuador and look for
> Maria Luisa Gleason Parra. Of course, you will have to write in Spanish, oh
> monolingual one.

And you're just stupid enough to think that a Spanish language translator could
not be found to do the letter, oh dumbass one?

LMFAO at the pathological liar.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


David Eduardo

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Feb 18, 2007, 9:32:30 AM2/18/07
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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171783307....@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Of the 24 or 25 former 1-A clears, these are n/t/s: 640,
700,720,750,760,770, 810, 820, 830, 840, 870, 890, 1020, 1030, 1040, 1100,
1120, 1160 (FM simulcast), 1180, 1200, 1210.

So you are making your conclusion based on 21 out of 4,800 stations.


David Eduardo

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Feb 18, 2007, 9:34:37 AM2/18/07
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<nsareject...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171783463.3...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> On Feb 18, 1:29?am, "David Eduardo" <amda...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171753014.6...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >What a pathetic, fat, worthless old man - you have no social skills,
>> >because your 24/7 interaction with people is spent blogging !
>>
>> I gyuess this means that you can't refute my listing of AM n/t stations
>> already moved to FM.
>>
>> Usenet is not a blogdspot.

>
> The move has stalled with the FCC.

The FCC does not regulate or have anything to do with format changes.

> AM news/talk/sports is alive-and-
> well.

And moving form AM to FM at an increasing pace, based on the early
successes.

>There still are thousands of AM stations and I can always DX to
> Canada - no nighttime IBOC in Canada.

There is none in the US, yet, either.

> DAB has failed in Canada, as HD
> Radio/IBOC is failing here.

Canada has proposed adopting HD,, and Mexico has operating stations already.


David Eduardo

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Feb 18, 2007, 9:35:21 AM2/18/07
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"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
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Let me know when you get to the part about Timbres Fiscales.


dxAce

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Feb 18, 2007, 9:41:06 AM2/18/07
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David Eduardo wrote:

And you be sure to let me know when the airport is completed in your fantasyland
thereby allowing you to fly out.

LMFAO at the fraudulent one.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


m II

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Feb 18, 2007, 12:49:25 PM2/18/07
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cuh...@webtv.net wrote:

Please post the complete email, with the headers intact. No sane person
would send a deviant pedophile, such as you, a personal letter.

mike

Telamon

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Feb 18, 2007, 1:33:35 PM2/18/07
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In article <hLPBh.76899$qO4....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>,
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:

Well heck, the two of us are 95% of your audience.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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