Weber State Professor Resigns In Disgrace After Drug Bust

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WSU debate coach quits over charge

Cited in his hotel room for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia

Sat, Oct 13, 2001

By MARK GRAY
Standard-Examiner staff

OGDEN -- Weber State University communication professor and
championship-winning debate coach Michael "Bear" Bryant has resigned after
being cited for a drug offense at a debate tournament.

Bryant, who was at Southern Utah University Oct. 6 and 7 for the tournament,
was cited in his hotel room for possession of marijuana, possession of drug
paraphernalia and interfering with an arrest, all of which are misdemeanors.

Student debate team member Daniel Hallmeyer, 21, was also cited for possession
of drug paraphernalia for possessing a pipe used to smoke marijuana.

On Oct. 6 at 11:30 p.m., Cedar City police received a call saying there was a
"strong marijuana smell" emanating from a room at the Econo Lodge, said Iron
County Attorney Scott Burns.

When police arrived, Burns said, officers could also smell marijuana through
the door.

After officers knocked on the door, Bryant answered and officers noticed
marijuana "in plain view," along with a pipe, Burns said.

"Mr. Bryant then stated "It"s all mine. No one else is using it,"" Burns said.

The charge for interfering with an arrest came when Bryant allegedly swept "a
small amount of marijuana off a table" and onto the ground, Burns said.

Burns is thinking about dropping the charge of interfering with the arrest and
changing it to obstruction of justice.

As for Hallmeyer, after police asked him whether he had marijuana, he went to
his room and came back with a pipe, Burns said.

In all, police confiscated two pipes, one in Bryant"s room and the other in
Hallmeyer"s room, two clips used to hold partially smoked marijuana cigarettes
and a small amount of marijuana.

Neither Bryant nor Hallmeyer were booked into jail. But neither could be
reached Friday for comment.

Bryant and Hallmeyer are both scheduled to be arraigned in 5th District Court
in Cedar City Oct. 29 at 1:15 p.m.

Each of the three charges for Bryant carry a maximum of six months in jail and
a $1,000 fine.

June Phillips, dean of the College of Arts and Humanities, said Bryant was not
at work Thursday or Friday, but his classes were not canceled.

"We have had people filling in for him."

A decision regarding future professors of Bryant"s classes will be made by
Monday. Most likely, classes will be filled by other faculty members and
adjunct professors, she said.

Bryant taught several communication classes, including public speaking and
several classes in conjunction with the debate team.

During his 14 years as the coach of the debate team, Bryant built a national
powerhouse, winning four national championships and taking 20 individual teams
to the national championships.

"He"s been very important in (the debate team"s) accomplishments," President
Paul Thompson said. "They still have things to accomplish and it would be
unfortunate if this took away from that."

The debate team will be taken over by Eric Mueller, assistant director for
forensics.

The university will probably not issue sanctions against Bryant, Jason Wanlass,
university spokesman said.

"Him voluntarily resigning pretty much closes the book."

"The resignation is voluntary and it is concrete," Wanlass said. "It was done
without much contact with administration at all."

Bryant apparently sent an e-mail message to several administration members
Thursday detailing his resignation.

Phillips, who received an e-mail, declined to discuss the contents saying it
was "a communication between faculty members."

"He didn"t feel he could come back out of respect for the students," Phillips
said of Bryant.

Phillips said although the resignation is official, based on payroll and
adjustment times, an effective resignation date needs to be decided.

As far as Hallmeyer is concerned, Wanlass said the university will most likely
appoint a legal attorney, who will work with the dean of students to determine
whether Hallmeyer violated the student code of conduct.

Jim

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byebye...@aol.com (ByeByeBryant) wrote in
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rofl.

Frank White

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Oct 13, 2001, 10:16:37 PM10/13/01

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In article <20011013182719...@mb-mq.aol.com>,
byebye...@aol.com says...

>
>From http://www.standard.net:
>
>WSU debate coach quits over charge

Your glee at this is perhaps... excessive.

This does not mean he will continue to post here, after all.
Or may not get an even better job with ease and come back
with increased confidence and arrogance.

Moderation in all things - even gloating over the troubles
of an enemy - is a good policy.

FW

Dan Morisseau

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Oct 14, 2001, 12:03:22 AM10/14/01

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On 13 Oct 2001 22:27:19 GMT, byebye...@aol.com (ByeByeBryant)
wrote:

>From http://www.standard.net:
>
>WSU debate coach quits over charge
>
>Cited in his hotel room for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia

Proud of yourself, I'm sure! Gloating over another's personal
calamity (however responsible he or she may be for it) marks you as a
textbook example of "asshole"!

My political views may have been diametrically opposed to those
of Mr. Bryant and we have disagreed violently here in the past, but
subjecting anyone to such ridicule and obloquy is inexcusable. You, I
note, were so proud of doing so that you hid behind a pseudonym - the
mark of a true troll and coward.
Dan Morisseau, N7ZXL - N 38°34'53", W 90°22'32", 680'
On the sunrise side of Mo-Pac's famous Kirkwood Hill!
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Richard Williams

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Oct 14, 2001, 4:54:28 AM10/14/01

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Always funny how all of the minions suck up to their mental master like the
good little ass kissers that they are.

>===== Original Message From fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com (Frank White) =====

>In article <20011013182719...@mb-mq.aol.com>,
>byebye...@aol.com says...
>>

>>From http://www.standard.net:
>>
>>WSU debate coach quits over charge
>

>Your glee at this is perhaps... excessive.
>
>This does not mean he will continue to post here, after all.
>Or may not get an even better job with ease and come back
>with increased confidence and arrogance.
>
>Moderation in all things - even gloating over the troubles
>of an enemy - is a good policy.
>
>FW

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>Subject: Re: Weber State Professor Resigns In Disgrace After Drug Bust
>From: Dan Morisseau dpmori...@earthlink.net
>Date: 10/13/01 10:03 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <063istccu75mokhgk...@4ax.com>

>
>On 13 Oct 2001 22:27:19 GMT, byebye...@aol.com (ByeByeBryant)
>wrote:
>
>>From http://www.standard.net:
>>
>>WSU debate coach quits over charge
>>
>>Cited in his hotel room for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia
>
>
> Proud of yourself, I'm sure! Gloating over another's personal
>calamity (however responsible he or she may be for it) marks you as a
>textbook example of "asshole"!
>
> My political views may have been diametrically opposed to those
>of Mr. Bryant and we have disagreed violently here in the past, but
>subjecting anyone to such ridicule and obloquy is inexcusable. You, I
>note, were so proud of doing so that you hid behind a pseudonym - the
>mark of a true troll and coward.

Let me get this straight, Dan: a couple of anonymous posts from a credible
news source makes me a "troll" and an "asshole," but yet Michael Bryant, who
has used this newsgroup as a forum for his own personal vendettas for years,
isn't a
"troll" and an "asshole"? SHEESH . . .
better pull your head out of your rectum long enough to look up some of
Bryant's posts and see how many people he has falsely accused of being drug
users and racists, to say nothing of all the lawsuits Bryant has threatened in
RRS over the years. If anyone here is guilty of being a troll and an asshole,
it's Michael Bryant.

The point which you and your fellow Bryant supporters have missed in all of the
discussion regarding his bust is that educators are supposed to occupy a
position of trust in this country. Notice I said "supposed to." The position
of trust which educators have had in the past is slowly being eroded by liberal
fruitloops like you and your fellow Bryant supporters who insist that it's OK
for a college professor to be caught smoking dope with a student at a school
sponsored debate.
I doubt you and the others who have claimed that Bryant's offense is "no big
deal" would be so vocal in your support if it had been your son (or daughter)
who had been caught smoking pot in a motel room with Bryant. Then again, maybe
you would. As we have seen with the Bryant case, stupidity has its own
rewards.

Peter Maus

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Oct 14, 2001, 11:11:39 AM10/14/01

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No one has ever successfully accused Dan Morriseau of being a
Michael Bryant supporter. He has routinely refuted Bryant's
positions. Of course refutation in a discussion with Bryant is like
pouring water on a grease fire...the topic simply scatters and falls
out of control and civility quite quickly. Arguing with Bryant is
like picking a fight with Mike Tyson...he's a professional
combatant, and whether his opponent is right or wrong simply doesn't
matter. Bryant, like Tyson, fights to win the argument. It's the
argument that matters, not the intent to make or refute a point.

And like Tyson he's not above anything.

I, myself, have had no freedom from discourse with Bryant, and
like everyone else here, I've been the butt of his scorn, and his
highly abrasive and accusatory tactics. I've watched him jump into
argument after argument, inject his racial slant on everything from
RFPI scheduling, to the coverage of the riots last year on HCJB, and
his tactic is always the same: Begin with a horrific and outageously
inflammatory accusation of some heinous statement, activity, or
position, and then watch his opponent try to defend himself against
the opening salvo...a defense that never gets off square 1, because
Bryant refuses to acknowledge the substance of the responses, only
the rhetoric. Or the grammatical construction, or the
spelling...anything with which he may simply dismiss his opponent
and by that, the opponent's argument.

And relationships forged here with Bryant all begin and end the
same way: He welcomes someone whom he perceives agrees with him,
generalizes the new ally's statements until they are inaccurate, and
then turns on the new ally as a turncoat enemy. Even though the new
ally/opponent has changed no position. No one remains Bryant's ally
for long. Maybe one or two transactions. And everyone ends up being
called a racist moron.

If I had to make a guess, I'd say he was using this forum to show
his students how to turn any challenge into a point for the home
team...how to stay on task, despite vitriolic personal attack. It's
a pattern that's been well and often played here. And as so many
have pointed out, it's Bryant himself who has taken the attacks
personal, while dismissing his opponents for their personal
attacks. A debate coach would see the logical conflicts in his
strategy. A Debate Coach would see the logical and procedural
conflicts in many of his tactics, too. It's pretty obvious that
there's more to his ravings here than intellectual discourse. It's
also pretty obvious that there's more than one personal agenda at
play inre certain persons here.

Yes, a troll. And often a belligerent troll. But hardly an
asshole. An asshole has a purpose.

Having said that, I think it's in poor form...the very poor form
used by Bryant himself to dismiss and to heckle his opponents...to
gloat over his fall from grace. For a couple of reasons. Kicking a
man when he's down, no matter how much he may deserve it, only
serves to build his strength of what limited character he may have
for a later assault.

The other thing is, that a troll like Bryant, and countless others
who have come and gone here, whithers and fades when ignored.

What has happened to him, he's done to himself. Ironic that he's
done it in conflict with his own language, and his own haughty
disdain for the rest of us. He's further, now, exposed to the rest
of us, and his peers a side of himself that seriously compromises
his position of moral rectitude in the arguments he's posed here.
He's also compromised his credibility.

We don't need to kick him when he's down. He's pretty much
demonstrated that he's self kicking.

Let him.

Dan Morisseau

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Oct 14, 2001, 11:54:08 PM10/14/01

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On 14 Oct 2001 14:03:12 GMT, byebye...@aol.com (ByeByeBryant)
wrote:

>Let me get this straight, Dan: a couple of anonymous posts from a credible
>news source makes me a "troll" and an "asshole,"

You got it right this time, but that is apparently nearly all you
"got straight" from my rather concise post.

>but yet Michael Bryant, who has used this newsgroup as a forum for his own personal vendettas for years,
>isn't a
>"troll" and an "asshole"?

I never said he wasn't capable of being one as well. He and I
have dueled frequently on political issues.

>better pull your head out of your rectum long enough to look up some of
>Bryant's posts and see how many people he has falsely accused of being drug
>users and racists, to say nothing of all the lawsuits Bryant has threatened in
>RRS over the years. If anyone here is guilty of being a troll and an asshole,
>it's Michael Bryant.

Spot on! He has been guilty of doing so in the past. And when he
was, I often called him on it - not that it did any good. He chose to
go his own way. The point here is that gloating over his self induced
misfortune just isn't quite the victory you seem to think you have
won. You sure as hell had nothing to do with it! It goes beyond being
unseemly - it verges on "hubris".

>
>The point which you and your fellow Bryant supporters have missed in all of the
>discussion regarding his bust is that educators are supposed to occupy a
>position of trust in this country.

WHOA, pal! I am NOT a Bryant supporter. My politics are
diametrically opposed to his and I am full agreement that his behavior
as respects the use of controlled substances deserves the maximum
legal penalty and, even more immediately, his removal from the
position of trust - from which I gather he already resigned in any
event. I just don't buy this gleeful celebration of another's
disaster. It is so closely akin as to be virtually indistinguishable
from gloating because Rush Limbaugh became deaf - a spiteful little
vendetta which I condemned as well.

>I doubt you and the others who have claimed that Bryant's offense is "no big
>deal" would be so vocal in your support if it had been your son (or daughter)
>who had been caught smoking pot in a motel room with Bryant. Then again, maybe
>you would. As we have seen with the Bryant case, stupidity has its own
>rewards.

For the record here, Mr Anonymous, I most certainly do not
consider it "no big deal" it is a VERY big deal indeed and it appears
that in due course the wheels of justice will do their work. that
doesn't excuse tasteless and unseemly celebrations, however.

Michael Moore

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Oct 15, 2001, 10:36:19 AM10/15/01

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ByeByeBryant wrote:
<snipped>

In an environment where percodan, prozac, valium, and alcohol are so
easily and legally obtained, one has too wonder why it is that someone
would make a big deal about a little marijuana.

--
Michael Moore

Michael Moore

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Oct 15, 2001, 12:49:13 PM10/15/01

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Peter Maus wrote:
<snipped>

I'd hate to get on your bad side. (8-0)

--
Michael Moore

bpnjensen

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Oct 15, 2001, 3:23:46 PM10/15/01

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Michael Moore <m.m...@utoronto.ca> wrote in message news:<3BCAF463...@utoronto.ca>...

No kidding. I'm no fan of any kind of illicit drugs (and I do my best
to avoid prescription drugs too), but I know lots of respected,
productive, decent people who use maryjane much as one would drink
wine with dinner, and the effects are negligible (and have no harm to
society either). It comes down, once again, as with so many things,
whether the person is capable of responsibility. Bryant exercised
poor judgement by showing up at the door with his pipe, but is there
something wrong with his most probably *responsible* use of pot in the
privacy of his own home, hurting nobody? Man, this kind of government
intrusion goes against every right-wing tenet I hold dear ;-)

Bruce Jensen

Bogus

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Oct 15, 2001, 4:53:01 PM10/15/01

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In article <37af7e1c.0110...@posting.google.com>, bpnjensen
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CAN YOU READ???? The TEACHER was caught WITH A STUDENT! I don't care if the kid was 21, I'm sure daddy doesn't appreciate his hard earned money being used to turn his kid into a BURN OUT! (Remember the term "burn out" Bruce??? Remember the kids who were "burn outs"??? Now tell me again pot isn't hurting anyone!!!)

If you're a pot head, maybe you should think about joining the militia. 90% of those guys are in it because they want pot legalized!

Bogus

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In article <3BCAF463...@utoronto.ca>, Michael Moore says...

OK, let us try ONCE AGAIN to try and POUND it into your head, Hockey
Stick:

HE GOT CAUGHT WITH A STUDENT!!!!!!!

Peter Maus

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Oct 15, 2001, 5:17:45 PM10/15/01

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Michael Moore wrote:
>
> Peter Maus wrote:
> <snipped>
>
> I'd hate to get on your bad side. (8-0)

LOL! You've tried, Michael.

You just didn't have the stuff, apparently. And that's a good
thing.

p

>
> --
> Michael Moore

bpnjensen

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Oct 15, 2001, 5:30:53 PM10/15/01

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Richard Williams <richard...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message news:<3BE7...@MailAndNews.com>...

> Always funny how all of the minions suck up to their mental master like the
> good little ass kissers that they are.

Always funny how people who have nothing constructive to say - still
manage to say something (noting that the above tripe makes no sense at
all, of course).

"Never kick a man when he's down" is old as the hills, and you act
like someone just made it up for this situation. Are you just dense,
a bonafide legitimate troll, or both?

Bruce Jensen
************

Dave Moorman

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Oct 15, 2001, 6:49:59 PM10/15/01

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In article <y2Iy7.30179$ev2....@www.newsranger.com>,
Bogus <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:

What if he and the student were having a beer?

What's the difference?

Dave

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Dave Moorman
Downers Grove,
Illinois USA

Some men dream of fortunes, others dream of cookies.

CW

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Oct 15, 2001, 7:34:43 PM10/15/01

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Beer is legal, that's the difference. If you do not agree with a law, get it
changed. Until then, expect to be arrested for breaking it.
"Dave Moorman" <dmoo...@home.com> wrote in message
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Michael Moore

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That's an ADULT student. Are you suggesting that we treat these
students as children?

--
Michael Moore

Peter Maus

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Oct 15, 2001, 8:39:28 PM10/15/01

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Adult students, or not, there is a covenantal relationship between
the school, it's agents and assigns and the students. That's likely
why he copped to full responsibility for the contraband and
paraphernalia. The facts are that the contraband was an illegal
controlled substance and that the teacher was exposing the student
to the illegal contraband, and doing so in the context of a school
sponsored event. The bust took place at an Econo Lodge on an away
trip for a debate tournament. That puts the school square in the
middle of the matter, raising questions about the school's
commitment to that convenantal relationship with the student.

Morality aside for the moment, and setting aside the question of
the whether or not marijuana should be a big bad drug, or a
misdemeanor possession, the big issue is that the teacher was caught
using an illegal substance with a student. This, in light of the
covenantal relationship between the school and the student, exposes
the school to potential civil liability, a loss of face and
embarrassment for the school and the teacher's department, and
potential investigation and further scandal into the nature of the
personal relationship between the teacher and student.

Yes, they're both adults. But it was an illegal drug used on a
school sponsored away trip, in the motel room paid for by the
school, with the supervising teacher involved in the illegal
activity. In Utah.

He was toast when the phone call was placed.

There would be potential deniability had the student been using
alone, or with other students. But since the supervising teacher was
directly involved in the illegality, he was done for regardless of
the age of the student.

The comment had been made that this was no different than had the
student and the teacher been having a couple of beers.

Alcohol, too, is proscribed at school sponsored events. Especially
teachers with students. Most assuredly if either party were
inebriated.

And terminations of tenured professors have taken place for less.

Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, is a question to be debated.
:)

Whether or not things ARE this way, is clear.

The fact that he got caught with an illegal substance at a school
sponsored event, with a student, in the room paid for by the school
is more than enough to do in a long standing career.

Whether he recovers from this, will be up to him.

> --
> Michael Moore

Dave Moorman

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In article <noKy7.13675$Zb.60...@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com>,
"CW" <clinton...@home.com> wrote:

Well, yes, CW. Legalities aside, I see little difference.

The illegality of marijuana is largely theoretical. Anyone who wants to
can get buy it safely anywhere and usually smoke it with no penalty.

Frank White

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Oct 15, 2001, 8:00:54 PM10/15/01

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In article <37af7e1c.01101...@posting.google.com>,
bpnj...@yahoo.com says...

There is a difference?

One of the reasons for that old saying is that by kicking
a man when he's down, you can make him angry enough to get
up and whomp your ass...

I hope Bryant has the courage to post here again.

FW

Speaker to Animals

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In article <9qftbm$v82$1...@news.fsr.net>, fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com says...

>
>I hope Bryant has the courage to post here again.
>
>FW
>

I do too.
I want to laugh in his face, can point out what a fruad he has been.
I will kick a scumbag when they are standing up, lieing down and piss on their
grave after they die.
Screw him and screw his supoorters.
Mr Law abiding conservative republican my fat rrump.
Dope smoking liberal.
And I now have to wonder about his admissions of past inapropriate sexual
realationship with a fellow student.
Perhaps his true colours are now on display.
He has clearly violated his position of trust with at least one student,
clearly commited a crime. Why should we accept it as the first time.
And so damned stupid. Walking to the door with the dope pipe in his hand.
Give me a break. Let's save our pity for those that have not choosen to
throw their life away.
While I do not expect him to do hard time, I for one would cheer if they lock
him in the big house for the rest of his wasted life.

He appointed himself God, too bad he did let it go to his head.
Actions have results.
He broke the law and will suffer for his actions.
Not my actions, not your actions, but his.

He is just like our recent ex-pres. A lieing scumbag.
Unlike BC, ex-MAster Debater will not be singing a book deal worth 10 million.
Will not be geting an office at our expense.
Dear ex-debate coach is toast.
I am glad to see the dumb f*** pull this.
It is great and it is justice.
And if OBL trips and breaks his neck I will cheer.
If Sadam is killed by his son, I will cheer.
Ex-coach is a small Sadam or OBL in his own way.
Defending the concept of PC at any expense.
Nuking anyone who dares to defy HIS concept of racial tolerance.
Given that he is a white, well educated liberal, the system will
almost certainly let him off lightly. A scream! Because he will
benifit from something he professes to hate.
I can only dream that he will lecture the Judge on the unfairness
of giving a white, educated liberal a break.
At that point I will retract all my nasty comments and admit that he
is the better man.
Maybe he can get the SPLC to help him out of this jam.
Or maybe not.

Brenda Ann

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Oct 15, 2001, 10:13:35 PM10/15/01

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It's funny... what everyone calls "Political Correctness" and treats it as a
dirty word, was called "Politeness", "Manners", "Diplomacy" and "Etiquette"
when I was young... and was considered a mark of social grace. I guess that
since the "Me" decade of the '80's, other people's feelings just don't
matter. I can agree that some things have gotten overboard, but it seems to
have gotten overboard in both directions at the same time. If one takes
"Political Correctness" to absurd extremes, one loses their
individuality.... however... if we have no politeness, no tolerance, no
social decorum, no diplomacy, then we have no society... we have anarchy..
And you do not want true anarchy, with it's concomitant lack of values.

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KK4TL

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Oct 15, 2001, 10:14:20 PM10/15/01

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>I hope Bryant has the courage to post
>here again.
>

Me too.

MWBRYANT

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Oct 15, 2001, 11:06:05 PM10/15/01

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>From: kk...@aol.com (KK4TL)

>>I hope Bryant has the courage to post
>>here again.
>>
>Me too.

Well, here I am.

And getting quite a laugh out of the descriptions and normal distortions on
this newsgroup.

First, I resigned. I took responsibility for my own actions. How many of you
will even own up to being the REAL racists that you are? But, then, I guess
resigning from humanity would be a little tough for some of you.

Second, I have NEVER EVER admitted to inappropriate sexual conduct with any
student. You can tell a lot about people by seeing whose lies they decide to
re-circulate. I dated a female student when I was a graduate student. Broke no
laws or even university regulations. Check the archives for the real story and
check out the advocacy of those continuing to suggest otherwise. These clowns
can't even produce consistent stories, because they also continually label me
as gay.

Third, all of my students were given field sobriety tests. They all passed. If
the police had found the slightest evidence to suggest that any of them were
either under the influence or had drugs in their possession, I would've been
arrested on felony distribution and contributing-to-delinquency charges. I
wasn't.

Fourth, the notion that I answered any door with anything in my hand is a
complete falsehood. It's a deliberate exaggeration from people with
axes-to-grind.

Fifth, the other student "ticketed" was for a paraphenalia charge. He produced
that instrument from a DIFFERENT room after the police threatened him with
dogs. He was not using it in the room I was in. Check the facts.

Sixth, the notion that a possession charge proves I'm a liberal communist shows
how little collective intelligence some of you possess. I know plenty of
die-hard extremist racists that smoke pot and do a lot worse drugs. I continue
to believe that my political stances are far more mainstream than you clowns
that blame everything on other races and think the Clintons should be lynched.

The wrongness of what I did will be determined by a judge, not by the lynch mob
of racist sycophants in this NG. I am incredibly amused at how many of you have
suggested that I have been "unfair" to social cretins, like Turner or Strom.
Consistency just ain't y'all's strong suit is it? The wrongness of many of the
twisted ideologies espoused in this NG are so obvious that judicial
deliberation is totally unecessary. I hurt no one else and didn't even advocate
the demeaning of other human beings. But those things are nothing compared to
what I did, right?

But, PLEASE keep up the deliberate lies and distortions! Though I've already
been offered jobs making far more than I did as a teacher (I wasn't doing it
for money, believe me!), I will RELISH taking legal actions against a number of
you. My lawyer is already keeping track and I'm keeping every post on this NG
for further action. Utah is actually one of the few states with strict internet
libel laws.

I don't have 300 radios, but I do have legs. And I'll live to walk (and fight)
another day.

Keep 'em coming!

Bryant

KK4TL

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Oct 15, 2001, 11:13:10 PM10/15/01

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>I don't have 300 radios,
>

1 R-75 + 1 NRD-525 = approx 300 also rans.

MWBRYANT

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Oct 15, 2001, 11:22:10 PM10/15/01

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>From: kk...@aol.com (KK4TL)

>>I don't have 300 radios,
>>
>1 R-75 + 1 NRD-525 = approx 300 also rans.
>

So, is that a slam on Maus?!

Bryant

KK4TL

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Oct 15, 2001, 11:28:29 PM10/15/01

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>So, is that a slam on Maus?!
>

Sure why not.

Hey Maus .. you're slammed.

I guess.

Peter Maus

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Oct 15, 2001, 11:42:05 PM10/15/01

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Thank you. That's the closest I have had to real sex since the
80's.

p

George

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Oct 15, 2001, 11:44:00 PM10/15/01

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In article <20011015230605...@mb-de.aol.com>, MWBRYANT
says...

So, did you have to smoke a couple of
doobies before getting up the courage to come back here??

Ronald McDonald is
hiring. He's looking for more clowns like you.

MWBRYANT

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Oct 15, 2001, 11:53:34 PM10/15/01

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>From: George nos...@newsranger.com

>So, did you have to smoke a couple of
>doobies before getting up the courage to come back here??
>
>Ronald McDonald is
>hiring. He's looking for more clowns like you.
>

Here's the deal - You come out of your closet long enough to take a urine test
and we'll compare results. Loser applies to be Ronald's assistant.

Bryant

KK4TL

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Oct 15, 2001, 11:56:51 PM10/15/01

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> That's the closest I have had to real sex
>since the 80's.
>

Hey Maus you should have spoken up sooner. Someone would have been glad to
slam you before now. Davies if nobody else.

Peter Maus

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:00:28 AM10/16/01

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DAMN!

KK4TL

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:03:43 AM10/16/01

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>DAMN!
>
Hey man .. better late than never. Right ?

Peter Maus

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:05:04 AM10/16/01

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KK4TL wrote:
>
> >DAMN!
> >
> Hey man .. better late than never. Right ?

That's what my ex wife kept telling me.

KK4TL

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:15:03 AM10/16/01

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>That's what my ex wife kept telling me.
>

Ex-es .. don't get me started.

Mark S. Holden

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:24:54 AM10/16/01

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MWBRYANT wrote:
>
<snipped it all>

So much for the hope your return would reveal a kinder, gentler Bryant.

Jim

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:32:10 AM10/16/01

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George <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in
news:z1Oy7.30640$ev2....@www.newsranger.com:

McDonalds has standards.. although it would be his dream job, hanging out
with Fez, and Heid in Foremans basement getting shit faced after work. Want
fries with that Bryant? To quote Kelso.....ooooooooh BURN... or should I say
burn out? lol

Jim

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:36:47 AM10/16/01

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mwbr...@aol.com (MWBRYANT) wrote in
news:20011015230605...@mb-de.aol.com:

> Sixth, the notion that a possession charge proves I'm a liberal
> communist shows how little collective intelligence some of you possess.
> I know plenty of die-hard extremist racists that smoke pot and do a lot
> worse drugs. I continue to believe that my political stances are far
> more mainstream than you clowns that blame everything on other races
> and think the Clintons should be lynched.
>

Clinton wouldn't inhale, is that why you don't like him, or because he
wouldn't let you suck his dick, because you are and I use the term loosely a
'guy'..? Do you get high with all your students before you hit on them? Just
pot? No Roofies? Might have gotten you laid more Bryant... of course you
traded your job for a lot less.. what an asshole...lol

Peter Maus

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:39:36 AM10/16/01

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KK4TL wrote:
>
> >That's what my ex wife kept telling me.
> >
> Ex-es .. don't get me started.

I'm right there with ya', brother.

KK4TL

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Oct 16, 2001, 1:04:31 AM10/16/01

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>did i say diddle... I meant 'coach'... really
>I did...
>
Yeah right. We've seen your type before.
You ain't foolin' nobody.

That Utah State Trooper car is gonna pull up in your drive way and yank you out
of your house and take you straight to Utah and put you on trial and sue you
for a zillion trillion dollars and put you in jail for a ba-zillion years.

Just you wait and see. Yepper buster, you just wait and see.

( Keep us posted. )

Jim

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Oct 16, 2001, 1:17:10 AM10/16/01

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kk...@aol.com (KK4TL) wrote in
news:20011016010431...@mb-fh.aol.com:

> That Utah State Trooper car is gonna pull up in your drive way and yank
> you out of your house and take you straight to Utah and put you on
> trial and sue you for a zillion trillion dollars and put you in jail
> for a ba-zillion years.
>

First Texas, now Utah.... ROADTRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!

KK4TL

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Oct 16, 2001, 1:23:05 AM10/16/01

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>First Texas, now Utah..ROADTRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
You'd prefer Texas any day. In Utah they use a firing squad. In Texas, they
use lethal injection.

Unnnnn-fortunately, the professor will be extraditing you to Utah. So be sure
to pack your Kevlar suit.

As long as it's a road trip, though, demand the "scenic route".

Jim

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Oct 16, 2001, 1:38:08 AM10/16/01

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kk...@aol.com (KK4TL) wrote in
news:20011016012305...@mb-fh.aol.com:

I hope the good professor won't be accompanying me... i may need a chastity
belt with a rusty lock too... :>

Burr Patterson, Jr.

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Oct 16, 2001, 3:23:26 AM10/16/01

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I can't believe this Bryant, I thought more of you then you think of
yourself.

You ain't to bright.

Burr

Donovan Smith

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Oct 16, 2001, 3:32:42 AM10/16/01

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MWBRYANT said...
[Snipped]

Well, glad to see you back here....even if I don't agree with all you
have to post. We need someone that is willing to take on those stupid
anonymous posters, like the one that started this thread...

--
Donovan Smith
http://www.integratasolutions.com
ICQ: 101193930

Michael Moore

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Oct 16, 2001, 5:57:23 AM10/16/01

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Peter Maus wrote:
>
> Michael Moore wrote:
> >
> > Bogus wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3BCAF463...@utoronto.ca>, Michael Moore says...
> > > >
> > > >ByeByeBryant
> > > wrote:
> > > ><snipped>
> > > >
> > > >In an environment where percodan, prozac, valium, and
> > > alcohol are so
> > > >easily and legally obtained, one has too wonder why it is that
> > > someone
> > > >would make a big deal about a little marijuana.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Michael
> > > Moore
> > >
> > > OK, let us try ONCE AGAIN to try and POUND it into your head, Hockey
> > > Stick:
> > >
> > > HE GOT CAUGHT WITH A STUDENT!!!!!!!
> >
> > That's an ADULT student. Are you suggesting that we treat these
> > students as children?
> >
>
> Adult students, or not, there is a covenantal relationship between
> the school, it's agents and assigns and the students. That's likely
> why he copped to full responsibility for the contraband and
> paraphernalia. The facts are that the contraband was an illegal
> controlled substance and that the teacher was exposing the student
> to the illegal contraband, and doing so in the context of a school
> sponsored event. The bust took place at an Econo Lodge on an away
> trip for a debate tournament. That puts the school square in the
> middle of the matter, raising questions about the school's
> commitment to that convenantal relationship with the student.
>
> Morality aside for the moment, and setting aside the question of
> the whether or not marijuana should be a big bad drug, or a
> misdemeanor possession, the big issue is that the teacher was caught
> using an illegal substance with a student. This, in light of the
> covenantal relationship between the school and the student, exposes
> the school to potential civil liability, a loss of face and
> embarrassment for the school and the teacher's department, and
> potential investigation and further scandal into the nature of the
> personal relationship between the teacher and student.
>
> Yes, they're both adults. But it was an illegal drug used on a
> school sponsored away trip, in the motel room paid for by the
> school, with the supervising teacher involved in the illegal
> activity. In Utah.
>
> He was toast when the phone call was placed.
>
> There would be potential deniability had the student been using
> alone, or with other students. But since the supervising teacher was
> directly involved in the illegality, he was done for regardless of
> the age of the student.
>
> The comment had been made that this was no different than had the
> student and the teacher been having a couple of beers.
>
> Alcohol, too, is proscribed at school sponsored events. Especially
> teachers with students. Most assuredly if either party were
> inebriated.
>
> And terminations of tenured professors have taken place for less.
>
> Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, is a question to be debated.
> :)
>
> Whether or not things ARE this way, is clear.

All I can say is viva Canada, where beer and pizza with
professors is a common thing.
--
Michael Moore

> The fact that he got caught with an illegal substance at a school
> sponsored event, with a student, in the room paid for by the school
> is more than enough to do in a long standing career.
>
> Whether he recovers from this, will be up to him.
>
>
>
> > --
> > Michael Moore

Peter Maus

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Oct 16, 2001, 6:57:58 AM10/16/01

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When I was in college, I would be invited to outings with the
Physics Department where there was much beer and pizza, professors
and students alike. And I'm sure it was on someone's expense
account.

That was also 30 years ago. And times, and things, have changed.
Although there was one memo handed down from Admin, even then,
cautioning the faculty about providing adult beverages where
students were present.

Our gatherings were always out in public places, like a
restaurant, where regulating the serving of adult beverages was the
restaurants' responsibility, and ID's were checked.

Today, in the legal climate here in the States, even THAT would be
dicey. But in a private motel room...at University expense....that
would be career suicide if some public event rose out of it.

Sometimes it sucks, you know?

> --
> Michael Moore

Frank White

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Oct 16, 2001, 8:54:21 AM10/16/01

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In article <20011015230605...@mb-de.aol.com>, mwbr...@aol.com
says...

>
>>From: kk...@aol.com (KK4TL)
>
>>>I hope Bryant has the courage to post
>>>here again.
>>>
>>Me too.
>
>Well, here I am.

YAY! Welcome back! (gives a 'V for Victory' sign)

>And getting quite a laugh out of the descriptions and normal distortions on
>this newsgroup.

Business as usual for us.

>First, I resigned. I took responsibility for my own actions. How many of
you
>will even own up to being the REAL racists that you are?

(raises hand)

Hey, I grew up in the U.S. Of COURSE I'm a racist. I sucked
racist attitudes in with my mother's milk.

But I'm fighting against it.

<snip>

>Fourth, the notion that I answered any door with anything in my hand is a
>complete falsehood. It's a deliberate exaggeration from people with
>axes-to-grind.

Good, glad to hear it. That part of the story had me puzzled because
it seemed so dumb.

<snip>

>Sixth, the notion that a possession charge proves I'm a liberal communist
shows
>how little collective intelligence some of you possess. I know plenty of
>die-hard extremist racists that smoke pot and do a lot worse drugs.

Dubya has never actually said whether he used coke back in his
party hardy days...

Given what we've heard about back then, he may not remember...

<snip>

>I don't have 300 radios, but I do have legs.

(blink, blink)

What?

I don't get the reference.

FW. Who is pleased to see his predictions that all of those gloating
over Bryant's troubles, might have premature in writing 'finis' to
him... are correct.

Richard Williams

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Oct 16, 2001, 10:34:50 AM10/16/01

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My what a fine example you are to the youth of America and others. Just
showing what parents can look forward to when they send their kids of to
college. Then for you to deny the truth and that people are trying to get
you.
The news story states that you came to the door with the pipe in your hand.
That came exactly from the local paper in your town. Showing your spin
control
methods again. Being a liar like usual. Of course, thats not rare for hard
core left wing liberals and their minions who permeate this newsgroup. Like
the rest of your little buddies, huh? We all have seen their true colors and
how they attempt to suck up just like the good little brown nosers they are.

>===== Original Message From mwbr...@aol.com (MWBRYANT) =====
>>From: George nos...@newsranger.com

>
>>So, did you have to smoke a couple of
>>doobies before getting up the courage to come back here??
>>
>>Ronald McDonald is
>>hiring. He's looking for more clowns like you.
>>
>

>Here's the deal - You come out of your closet long enough to take a urine
test
>and we'll compare results. Loser applies to be Ronald's assistant.
>
>Bryant

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Oct 16, 2001, 10:49:28 AM10/16/01

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See that you are kissing some ass again? Not really a surpise since its a
distinctive trait of parasites.

>===== Original Message From fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com (Frank White) =====

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H. Dziardziel

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Oct 16, 2001, 10:59:14 AM10/16/01

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:07:31 -0700, soplame <sop...@mi.pito>
wrote:

>Bogus <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>>OK, let us try ONCE AGAIN to try and POUND it into your head, Hockey
>>Stick:
>>HE GOT CAUGHT WITH A STUDENT!!!!!!!
>

>What's your problem? What's the big deal that he was with a student.
>It ain't as if the student was a minor. Man, you a so BOGUS!
>
>
Using the term and therefore legal definition of "minor" to
excuse the breaking of other laws, rules and regulations is a
typical hedonistic hypocritical responsibility avoiding "liberal"
and immature response. You apparently therefore also condone
parents having sex with their children if not minors? That is an
extreme but perfectly plausible conclusion from your statement.

H. Dziardziel

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Oct 16, 2001, 11:08:09 AM10/16/01

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:13:35 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
<bra...@kornet.net> wrote:

>It's funny... what everyone calls "Political Correctness" and treats it as a
>dirty word, was called "Politeness", "Manners", "Diplomacy" and "Etiquette"
>when I was young... and was considered a mark of social grace. I guess that
>since the "Me" decade of the '80's, other people's feelings just don't
>matter. I can agree that some things have gotten overboard, but it seems to
>have gotten overboard in both directions at the same time. If one takes
>"Political Correctness" to absurd extremes, one loses their
>individuality.... however... if we have no politeness, no tolerance, no
>social decorum, no diplomacy, then we have no society... we have anarchy..
>And you do not want true anarchy, with it's concomitant lack of values.
>
>
>
snip
>

Hello just a few observations of mine since the thread is so long
now;

"Politeness", "Manners", "Diplomacy" and "Etiquette" are not
what is known as "Political Correcteness". PMDE are social
mores, things that make everyday, day to day living possible just
as some laws and regulations and essential social services do.

PC on the other hand is destruction of individualism and freedom
of speech and a form of thought control. Totally at odds with
Voltaire's classic succinct "I may not agree with what you say
but will fight to the death for your right to say it." PC
rewords this to "I do not like what you say so you have no
right to say it" PDME is contained in Voltaire's statement.

>if we have no politeness, no tolerance, no
>social decorum, no diplomacy, then we have no society... we have anarchy..

The world has the Taliban (for one) which is most certainly not an
anarchy and apparently barely retains some semblance only of a
form of its unique social decorum in order to further its foul
aims internally and externally The Taliban practice their form
of PC and virtually zero PDME

>And you do not want true anarchy, with it's concomitant lack of values.

A lack of social mores in run of the mill anarchy are related I
agree but .anarchy is political while mores are what allow the
politics including anarchy. Again PDME allows PC but not vs. I
have no problems with PDME anarchy. PC on the other hand ...

bpnjensen

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Oct 16, 2001, 11:55:11 AM10/16/01

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mwbr...@aol.com (MWBRYANT) wrote in message news:<20011015230605...@mb-de.aol.com>...

> >From: kk...@aol.com (KK4TL)
>
> >>I hope Bryant has the courage to post
> >>here again.
> >>
> >Me too.
>
> Well, here I am.
>

> And getting quite a laugh out of the descriptions and normal distortions on
> this newsgroup.

No doubt! ;-)

Glad to see you back. You ain't perfect, by any means, but any guy
who can get the right wing wackos as screwed up and angry and seething
as you've managed to get them must be doin' something right. As far
as resigning goes, I'm not sure this was worth resigning over - here
in California, if you don't smoke something as a proff, you just ain't
*tuned in* - but I sure hope you get one those fatcat jobs and show
the meatheads. They deserve it.

Here's hoping for many more mudslinging fests, eh?

Bruce Jensen

Mark Holden

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:07:59 PM10/16/01

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Frank White wrote:
<snip>

> >I don't have 300 radios, but I do have legs.
>
> (blink, blink)
>
> What?
>
> I don't get the reference.

It's an attempt to make one of our participants who was injured and lost part of
his lower extremities feel bad.

Picking on someone for an injury belongs in a similar category as picking on
someone because of their racial or ethnic heritage. It's a low blow, and
beneath the presumed abilities of an experienced debater.

MWBRYANT

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:09:15 PM10/16/01

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>From: "Burr Patterson, Jr." pit...@earthlink.net

> You ain't to bright.
>
>Burr

Damn, the comedy value of this NG is too much to miss. Nothing like being
called non-bright by someone who can't even spell the word "too"!

Bryant

MWBRYANT

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Oct 16, 2001, 12:37:48 PM10/16/01

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>From: Mark Holden msho...@ct2.nai.net

>Picking on someone for an injury belongs in a similar category as picking on
>someone because of their racial or ethnic heritage. It's a low blow, and
>beneath the presumed abilities of an experienced debater.
>

Kind of like repeatedly kicking someone who has fallen, eh? But unlike the
deliberate distortions which that person has chosen to publicly post to the
internet, right?

But, hey, Maus doesn't need to be depressed. There's always chihuahua-sex.

Bryant

Dan Morisseau

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Oct 16, 2001, 8:44:47 PM10/16/01

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mwbr...@aol.com (MWBRYANT) wrote in
news:20011016123748...@mb-mn.aol.com:

> But, hey, Maus doesn't need to be depressed. There's always
> chihuahua-sex.

What are you, Bryant, a fucking masochist? You step on your own
schwantz; and when somebody chides those who gloat at your self destructive
impulses you turn on him! That is pretty fucking contemptible! It makes for
pretty strange bedfellows ... I find myself on the same side of this aspect
of the Bryant issue with the likes of Mikey Moore and that anyonymous
dipstick, "Jim". Whatever ...

Bottom line here is that you need to grow the fuck up. Playing at "hip
campus radical prof" and maligning anyone with a shred of decency in the
group are manifestations of some kind of deep seated personality problems.
Get help!

Mark S. Holden

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Oct 16, 2001, 9:04:55 PM10/16/01

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While Peter didn't defend you, he did encourage people not to gloat, and
it seemed to be somewhat effective, at least for a while.

If you feel Peter distorted your actions or views, perhaps you'd care to
elaborate.

Personally, I thought he did a nice job of helping people understand
your debating practices in the news group.

Regards,

Mark

MWBRYANT

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Oct 16, 2001, 9:23:00 PM10/16/01

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>From: Dan Morisseau

>
> What are you, Bryant, a fucking masochist? You step on your own
>schwantz; and when somebody chides those who gloat at your self destructive
>impulses you turn on him!

Dan, I don't think you read Maus' posts very closely. He went way over the
line, twisted what was said and became a very contemptible individual in terms
of libeling me. I won't insult you. Your positions, while conservative, have
always been respectible and reasonable. You have not allowed yourself to be the
type of mudslinger that many on your side of the political fence seem to think
is necessary.

I appreciate your earlier statements to try to stop the personal libeling and
distortions. I am truly sorry if you feel I have gone over-the-line with Maus.
But, if you check the archives you'll see that Maus stopped any pretense of
civility with me long ago. It actually started with him berating me backchannel
for being "unfair" to Strom, the Nazi. His actual stance was that I had no
PROOF that Strom is actually a Nazi. (As if his webpage simply didn't exist!)
To say he was "fair" with me is looking at the situation in a very stilted
fashion.

The truth is I don't disagree that much with your political stances. You seldom
make off-topic posts and you generally try to be fair. Personally, I find you
to be a mainstream conservative. We seem to agree far more than you probably
find comfortable. Most of the people constantly attacking me wouldn't get
close to that label.

People treat me like dirt, I'll sling some back. That's who I am and always
will be. I am truly sorry if attempting to counter outright lies leaves you
offended. All I ask for is my day in court before being lynched by the
mud-throwers in this group. I am somewhat constrained in terms of explanations
until witnesses can actually testify. Maus' call for others not to kick me was
followed by some very libelous rhetoric on his part. I will not leave that
unanswered.

And I don't think you need to swear as much as you seem to think your post
called for. The use of such language is truly uncalled for.

With sincere respect,

Bryant

Speaker to Animals

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Oct 16, 2001, 10:33:13 PM10/16/01

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In article <20011016212300...@mb-mt.aol.com>, mwbr...@aol.com
says...