Scanner FAQ from Bill Cheek
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
The following addresses Bill Cheek only;
Look what the wind blew in...
Whats the matter, is business getting slow back on Fido ? Finding that
you need to diversify your ADVERTISING mediums or did you "drop by just
to keep the boys inline" ? That was an excerp taken from a FIDO message
(about 2 months ago) to a fellow who asks if you frequent the Internet !
Your typical pompus arrogant attitude...Must give you quite an ego trip
eh Bill ? Running the show...laying the law and twisting the rules to suit
your business back on FIDO. (My favorite..."Zero Tolerance" ! :)
Pretty good number you have going over there but I'm sure it will fizzle !
Are you here to push "CHEEK-4...Regurgitated Material I -The Book" ?
Don't bother answering that, things are nice and quiet with a good flow of
intelligent traffic here on this newsgroup. Plenty of veteran scanner
users and techies willing to offer their experience and knowledge for free.
No underhanded advertising or book-pushing. No "FAQ" messages whos
underlying agenda is to sucker someone into lining YOUR pocket.
Please don't spoil it by dragging your FIDO-boss attitude back here.
Go enjoy your dictatorship world with the rest of your FIDO followers and
leave well enough alone.
Hugh Duff VA3TO Toronto
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hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
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Bill Cheek wrote:
BC> has quicklinks to hundreds of other sites that may contain
BC> a file or two on your "Snakebite" scanner.
BC>
BC> Now here is the problem: I am one of the few, if not
BC> the ONLY engineer fully committed to scanner mods.
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Huh ??? Is this self proclaimed ? Don't flatter yourself and abuse
the title. Correct me if I'm wrong but you're not a Peng., are you ?
Maybe just another one of those undocumented self taught "Scientists".
...A legend in his own mind. Get a grip !
And DON'T mislead the good people...there a certainly a few other
fully committed, experienced and knowledgeable scanner mod folks out
there (admittedly not myself).
Take your advertising elsewhere.
(The above views are expressed as my opinions.)
Bill Cheek
July 14, 1996 BCHEEK.FAQ July 14, 1996
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Bill Cheek's Frequently-Asked-Questions File
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Contents
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ADMINISTRATIVE AND SOCIAL QUESTIONS
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001: What are the means of contacting you?
002: What is the BEST way to contact you?
003: What is the WORST way to contact you?
004: Can I call you on the phone for "just one question"?
005: So what's the best forum for your technical support?
006: Is there any other way you provide technical support?
007: Can people get tech support without computer & modem?
008: So what is your voice phone for if you don't talk?
009: You mean I can order products and services by voice?
010: What do you sell?
011: How can I get info on your products and services?
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS
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021: How do I restore cellular in my "SnakeBite XR-7715" ?
021a: Are any mods available for the "SnakeBite XR-7715" ?
022: Where can I find mods for my "SnakeBite XR-7715" ?
023: So you mean there are no mods for my "SnakeBite" ?
024: So how can I do some of these mods?
025: Memory mods? How can I increase the channels?
026: How do I tell a SRAM chip from an EEPROM from CPU RAM?
027: My "SnakeBite" scanner has an SRAM; how to do the mod?
028: Do you do scanner modifications like memory mods?
029: I'm not interested in all your mods - just one. Will
you photocopy the information for me?
030: So how do I restore cellular in the PRO-2006?
031: How can I improve my reception capabilities?
032: How can I install the military aero band in my scanner?
033: How can I modify my scanner to follow trunked systems?
034: My PRO-2004 has problems, first mild and now severe. It
has been repaired several times. Can you fix it?
035: Can my scanner be interfaced to a computer for remote
and automated control, as well as for programming of the
memory channels by the computer? Can the interface
acquire data from the scanner and send it to the computer?
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ADMINISTRATIVE & SOCIAL QUESTIONS
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These have been removed from this post as being not relevant
for this forum.
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TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
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021: How do I restore cellular in my SnakeBite "XR-7715" ?
Forget it, pal. It ain't going to happen. The TDDRA
Act of 1994 expressly forbids the manufacture or
importation of "easily modified for cellular" scanners
after April, 1994. Manufacturers turned to putty and
removed the cellular programming from the scanners'
CPUs altogether. Sorry, it's not possible. But here
is a list of all those scanners of which I am aware
that are capable of cellular restoration:
PRO-2004 BC-855XLT *3 Regency 4030
PRO-2005 BC-200XLT Regency 1600
PRO-2006 BC-205XLT
PRO-2022 BC-760XLT *4
PRO-2026 *2 BC-700XLTA *4
PRO-2027 BC-890XLT *4
PRO-2030 BC-950XLT
PRO-2032 BC-2500XLT *3
PRO-34
PRO-37
PRO-39
PRO-43 *1
PRO-46 *2
PRO-51 *2
PRO-23 *2
Note 1: Date of Mfg code 1A4, 2A4, xA3, xA2 (label in
battery compartment), or no "A" in the serial
number.
Note 2: Date of mfg code 1A4, 2A4, -A3, -A2 (label on
back).
Note 3: Date of mfg code must not end in the letter
"D", except for OAID.
Note 4: Date of mfg code must not end in the letter
"D".
For instance, PRO-43's imported before March, 1994, are
modifiable, while some brought in during March and all
thereafter are impossible to modify. Date codes of any
-A2 or -A3 and only 1A4 and 2A4 are assured of being
modifiable. 3A4 and up probably aren't.
The above list does not include those scanners that were
naturally capable of receiving the full 800 MHz band,
without modification, some of which include:
J.I.L. SX-400 AOR-950 Icom R-7100
Regency MX-4000 AOR-1000 Icom R-1
Regency MX-5000 AOR-1500 Icom R-100
Kenwood RZ-1 AOR-2500 Icom R-9000
Uniden BC-800XLT AOR-3000 Icom R-7000
Yaesu FRG-9600 AOR-8000
Some of these radios, if still current, had the cellular
removed by the factory after April, 1994.
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021a: Are any mods available for my "SnakeBite XR-7715"?
Shooooey, dude, you have the wrong impression about
scanner modifications and hacking. Mods are not
"available" in the sense that they can be found on a
store shelf, or laying on the top of someone's mind
who can tell you in so many words or less how to turn
that "Snakebite" scanner into a fire-breathing, rip-
snorting behemoth of a Turbowhopper. All scanners can
be modified for something; generally a dozen or more
things. But only a few scanners have anything written
about them in detail. And you have to know where to
LOOK. You can't just up and ask for them. It takes
me several days to several weeks and sometimes MONTHS
to work up and write about a hotshot mod for a decent
scanner, and after THAT level of effort, it's not
possible to make it "available" off the tip of my
fingertips. Continue reading below. There are
answers to your question........
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022: Where can I find mods for my SnakeBite XR-7715?
You can't. There are only a handful of scanners ever
made that were worth solitary, focused research and
development, specifically for that scanner. Those
scanners include the following:
PRO-2004 PRO-2005 PRO-2006 PRO-2035 PRO-2042
PRO-2022 PRO-43 PRO-34 PRO-37 BC-200XLT
PRO-26 PRO-39 BC-3000
You may find occasional articles, files, and "mods"
expressly for other scanners not mentioned above, but
they are the exception to the rule. Start by looking
through the file section on my BBS (619) 578-9247, and
peruse quicklinks to other sites from my WWW HomePage:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bcheek
My BBS has hundreds of files on a wide array of radios
and you are welcome to peruse the list. My homepage
has quicklinks to hundreds of other sites that may contain
a file or two on your "Snakebite" scanner.
Now here is the problem: I am one of the few, if not
the ONLY engineer fully committed to scanner mods.
Yet, there are over 500 scanners on the historical list
now. It is physically impossible for me to dedicate
attention to any but a few, and I have to choose those
owned by the greatest numbers of people who will
support my efforts and enable me to pay the rent; put
food on the table; and educate the kids. That small
list of scanners above reaches out to tens or hundreds of
thousands of owners. There is no time left for me to work
on "SnakeBite" scanners that have very little to offer, even
after hours of hard work! But take cheer and read on.......
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023: So you mean there are no mods for my "SnakeBite"?
More or less I mean that, yes. But, that's not to say
it can't be modified. It can! It's just that there is
nothing published for it; nothing in the way of step-by
step instructions with graphics, photos, and details.
No one would go to the time and trouble, you see?
An engineer who is capable of designing super-hacks
for that "SnakeBite" scanner is not going to own one!
Instead, he will own one from the above list, one that
is eminently capable of some very powerful modifications
in the first place.
Now I said your "SnakeBite" can be hacked. It can.
But you are more or less on your own in the sense that
I cannot direct you to a "shopping list" of mods from
which you can pick and choose. There is no such list.
Any hope for you is to figure out what you want to do,
and ask me a specific question. I can tell you a few
answers in advance:
No.
No, your "SnakeBite" is not capable of cellular; extra
memory; additional bands of frequencies; and things of
that nature that pretty much require factory design in
the first place. (See ahead for Memory Modifications)
Yes.
Yes, your "SnakeBite" is probably capable of a few analog
modifications along these lines:
1. Tape Recorder Jack
2. Automatic Tape Recorder Switch (beats VOX!)
3. Extended Delay
4. Tone Decoder-Rejector Countermeasure
5. CTCSS mod
6. S-Meter
7. Scanner-to-Shortwave Interface
8. Carrier-On-Indicator
9. Audio Improvements
10. Beep volume or disable
11. Squelch Improvements
12. Remote Controller
13. Baseband audio outputs
14. Event Counter
15. Shielding of plastic cases
16. External DC power
17. Improved Adjacent Channel Rejection
18. Speed up of SCAN & SEARCH modes
Then, maybe...depending....on the scanner.... the following
digital and/or esoteric enhancements.........???
19. Interfacing to a computer
20. Subsidiary Carrier (SCA)
21. Extended Memory to 25,600-channels & up
22. Cellular restoration
23. 54-88 MHz restoration
24. Data/Tone/Noise Rejector
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024: So how can I do some of these mods?
That's a problem. No one has written them up for your
"SnakeBite". About the only way I can think of is to
get one or more of my three books and a subscription to
the WORLD SCANNER REPORT. Research and study up on the
mods we've developed for other scanners, and then
compare the procedures for that specific scanner to
your "Snakebite". Often, when I write up a mod, I give
hints on how to apply it to other scanners.
Also, if you ask me specific questions, I can often
give specific answers. If you ask me "how to do a
memory mod", I'll just refer you to something already
in print or published somewhere. If you are doing a
memory mod and run into trouble, then I will help you
with that trouble.
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025: Memory mods? How can I increase the programmable channels?
That depends on what kind of memory storage system is
used by your scanner. There are three kinds:
1. On-board CPU RAM (Random Access Memory)
2. Static Random Access Memory (SRAM)
3. EEPROM Electrically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory.
The first kind is most prevalent and there is no way to
expand that kind of memory. It is, however, usually
limited to scanners with 51 channels or less of programmable
memory. 100-channels and up are usually done by methods 2 or 3.
So your first step is to determine what kind of memory is used
by your scanner.
EEPROM memory is expandable, but very difficult under
most circumstances. SRAM is the easiest and offers the
largest expansion capabilities. For example, the
PRO-2004, PRO-2005, and PRO-2006 can be expanded to
25,600 programmable channels (and more)! The PRO-32,
PRO-34, PRO-37, PRO-39 & PRO-2022 can go to 12,800-channels
and beyond. The BC-760XLT, BC-560XLT, and a few others
can be taken to 6,400 channels and more. The PRO-2035
and PRO-2042 can go to 16,000 channels and up.
My Extended Memory Modifications are amply documented
in excruciating detail in my books and in the WORLD
SCANNER REPORT, complete with diagrams, photos, and
many pages of instructions such that most casual
hobbyists who know a soldering iron from a tire iron
can do the work. This kind of mod is not suited to
being given out in an e-mail message in so many words
or less, so you will need to acquire the instructions
before doing the work.
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026: How do I tell a SRAM chip from an EEPROM from CPU RAM?
If you can't do this on your own or after the below
explanation, you are probably not a candidate for such
a wild adventure at this stage of your hacking career.
Most CPUs hold a small amount of RAM (random-access-
memory), sufficient to store anywhere from 10 to 50, maybe
a hundred channels or so. This is the case for most
scanners, so there is no way to increase that memory.
Fortunately, there are two other methods of RAM used by
a few scanners that offer possibilities for expansion.
EEPROM: The least common and least expansive is EEPROM
(electrically erasable programmable read-only-memory).
The PRO-43, BC-2500XLT, BC-200XLT, BC-100XLT and BC-3000XLT
use EEPROM programmable memory. It is possible to expand
EEPROM-type of memory, though not by such huge
proportions as the SRAM type. EEPROMs are usually tiny
little chips with 8-pins.
SRAM: A handful of scanners use a separate SRAM
(static random-access-memory) chip for storage of
frequencies and custom channel settings. It is this
type of memory that can be easily and economically
expanded by factors of 2, 4, 8, 16 and even 64 times
the original volume! Scanners known to employ SRAM
memory include the following:
PRO-2004 PRO-2021 PRO-32 BC-760XLT
PRO-2005 PRO-2022 PRO-34 BC-950XLT
PRO-2006 PRO-2032 PRO-37 BC-590XLT
PRO-2035 PRO-2042 PRO-39 BC-600XLT
There may well be other scanners that use SRAM memory,
but either I forgot about them or don't know. If
you're curious about your scanner's potential for
memory expansion, you can just about forget it for
those with fewer than 100-channels. The CPU's RAM
easily handles 10 to 100 channels or so. If your
scanner is not on the above list, but has 100 or more
channels, then look over its schematic diagram and
parts list or scrutinize its Logic/CPU Board for any of
the following types of SRAM chips:
uPD446G-15 TC-5517CF-20 LC-3517BM-15
CXK5864BP MB-8416-20LPF
or something similar, disregarding the last few digits
and letters. A SRAM chip is generally characterized by
a rectangular shape with 24 or more pins, each of the
longest sides holding half the pins. An SRAM chip in a
schematic diagram will be characterized by eighteen or
more of its pins going straight to the CPU chip. Any
chip with less than 24-pins is not likely to be an
SRAM; neither is any chip in a square format. SRAMs
are rectangular with 24 to 32 pins. Pinout notation of
SRAM chips will include mystic codes such as:
A0, A1...A9, R/W, CE, I01, I02...I08, OE, etc.
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027: My "SnakeBite" scanner has an SRAM; how to do the mod?
Get the published instructions for Extended Memory Mods
using larger SRAM chips. Start by reviewing the Table
of Contents and Index to the World Scanner Report where
you will find articles on memory mods. Get at least
one of my books to supplement the WORLD SCANNER REPORT.
The ULTIMATE SCANNER book is probably the best choice.
The Table of Contents and Index to the World Scanner
Report can be found on my HomePage and FTP sites as
well as on my BBS. They're also contained in my
product information file: PRODINFO.ZIP that I can send
by e-mail upon request.
Since all SRAM chips are much alike, my instructions
for one scanner will apply to all, and not be that
difficult to follow, provided you can find your SRAM
chip in the first place.
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028: Do you do scanner modifications like memory mods?
Sure. Contact me privately and we can go from there.
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029: I'm not interested in all your mods - just one. Will
you photocopy the information for me?
Sorry, no. My publishers own the copyright to my books
and my company owns the copyrights to material published in
the World Scanner Report. It would be unethical, illegal,
or both, for me to do that.
If your budget is tight, you can in many cases get
basic information for free from my BBS or from me via
e-mail and the hard core stuff for $5/up by purchasing
specific copies of the World Scanner Report. It is not
always necessary to buy my books in order to do the
mods. On the other hand, my published mods are NOT the
sort you find on most BBS's and Internet sites with a
few sentences or paragraphs and maybe an ASCII drawing
if you're lucky.
My mods are detailed; well documented; and have
excellent graphics, including schematic diagrams,
photos, and illustrations. This kind of work does not
come for free and I make no bones about it. On the
other hand, there is no charge if all you want is how
to do simple mods like the cellular mod to the PRO-2006.
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030: So how do I restore cellular in the PRO-2006?
1. Remove the top cover of the scanner.
2. Look down inside the front panel behind the #3 key
of the keyboard, and clip the exposed leads of the
two coppery colored diodes standing on end. One
restores cellular and the other gives a FREE 25%
speedup of the SCAN function.
3. Replace top cover.
See, that's the kind of stuff I can provide for free.
And I am happy to do so. I do not work for free for
days on end, paying out of my pocket the high costs of
photography, graphic arts, and computer operations with
sweat dripping off my brow..... There is a difference.
If you don't believe it, then grab a few free files off
my BBS and others, and some from the Internet.........
and then invest five bucks in a copy of the World
Scanner Report or one of my books.... See for yourself.
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031: How can I improve my reception capabilities?
Easy - maybe. Just increase the height of your antenna.
Each 10-ft increment of added height can yield an
apparent "gain" of 3-dB. For scanner signals, 3-dB of
difference can be all the difference between excellent
reception and none at all! There is no substitute for
height of the antenna when trying to receive signals
outside your immediate geographical area of more than
a few miles. VHF and UHF signals weaken dramatically
as they travel along the surface of the earth (ground-
wave); much more so than the spacewave that travels
a couple of wavelengths and more above the earth's
surface. Low antenna heights intercept the spacewave
of only very close transmitters, and the groundwave of
all others. Yes, the quality and type of antenna makes
a difference to a station's reception capabilities, but
the single most important factor is the height of the
antenna, regardless of its quality and type.
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032: How can I install the military aero band in my scanner?
You can't, and that's that. If your scanner came with the
military aero band (220-400 MHz), then you're Fat City.
If it did not come with it, there is no way under the sun
of "restoring" it. You can't restore what ain't there.
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033: How can I modify my scanner to follow trunked systems?
You can't, and that's that. For one, it would be illegal
to do that according to the ECPA of 1986, but two, the
data formats and software of trunked radio systems are
proprietary and copyrighted by the manufacturer or
vendor and this information is not available to the
public, nor even to technical shops. Each trunked
system is as different as night and day with respect to
all other trunked systems, even from the same vendor. It
is possible for the astute hobbyist to gain some skill and
fortitude in following trunked system conversations. These
techniques are scattered around in various written works,
from books, magazine articles, and prefaces in frequency
directories...to text files on various BBS's and Internet
archives. These techniques, hints, tips, and kinks cannot
be recited here in so many words or less. One good starting
point might be the preface material in any recent edition
of Radio Shack's POLICE CALL books. But in a word, you
cannot alter your scanner to follow trunked signals.
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034: My PRO-2004 has problems, first mild and now severe. It
has been repaired several times. Can you fix it?
There is a distinct possibility this PRO-2004 has problems
with defective solder joints. Back in 1986, there was a
production run of the PRO-2004 manufactured with a defective
wave soldering machine. At first, it was only marginally
defective, but it worsened and degraded with time.
The result, by the time the malfunctioning machine was
discovered, was that many defective PRO-2004's had been shipped
to market. Some immediately failed within the warranty period
and were repaired or replaced. Others didn't fail until after
the warranty expired, and were either repaired or junked. Some
didn't fail for years.........
Failures appear to come in waves.....periodic rashes. Defective
solder joints are a serious problem, because the radio can be
fixed only to the extent that it is broken. Repaired solder
joints today have no bearing or relationship to those headed for
failure in a week, a month, or a year. There is no economical
way to repair them all in one fell swoop. A PRO-2004 with
defective solder joints is very likely to develop more problems
with the passing of time. There can be no guarantees against
subsequent related or unrelated failures.
With that in mind, yes I do such repairs, but I cannot guarantee
that other failures won't occur. Costs of repair can be high,
and I would estimate the first repair tag to be $100 plus return
shipping. I know, it's a bum deal, but I can't do any better than
that except to offer to buy the unit for my repair parts bin.
I pay $25 plus shipping for defective PRO-2004's in reasonably
clean condition. (No basket cases....) You might consider this
as an alternative to continued repair bills.
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035: Can my scanner be interfaced to a computer for remote and
automated control, as well as for programming of the memory
channels by the computer? Can the interface acquire data from
the scanner and send it to the computer?
In a word, yes. Most scanners "can" be interfaced to a computer
for one-way control and automated programming of the memory
channels. It is probably not worth the effort and cost for most
scanners, but it can be done. These scanners include:
PRO-2004 PRO-2005 PRO-2006 PRO-2035 PRO-2042 PRO-2022
PRO-34 PRO-37 PRO-39 PRO-43 PRO-26
Probably quite a few others are possible, but.......???
There are three scanners that are capable not only of the one-
way mode of remote control and automated programming, but also of
a "data acquisition" mode where the scanner sends its display
(channel, frequency, bank, mode, delay, lockout) and other data
to the computer for automated logging and data processing. These
scanners are the PRO-2004, PRO-2005, and PRO-2006.
Several companies make scanner/computer interfaces, including:
Optoelectronics - Datametrics - COMMtronics Engineering
Each interface has its own unique characteristics, advantages,
and limitations, but all are "good" in the sense of freeing the
operator from much of the labor and drudgery of scanning. The
Optoelectronics and Datametrics interfaces are generally limited
to the PRO-2005/5 and PRO-2035/2042.
A "roll your own" computer interface was published in the
World Scanner Report, V2N1-V2N6. Another more powerful one was
published in my 3rd book, THE ULTIMATE SCANNER (Cheek3)
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That's it for now. I will keep this FAQ updated. If you see things
that need to be added to it, by all means, let me know. If this FAQ
fails to address your question(s), then hit me with 'em again, but be
specific. And be detailed with symptoms and observations if you need
tech support on mods or troubleshooting and diagnosis. Use e-mail if
you can.
(c) 1996 <All rights reserved> July 14, 1996
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Rich Carlson
Do any of your books cover mods to ham radio gear?
I want to extend the receive capabilities of my Kenwood TM-731 to 480
MHz. It will display 400 to 500 MHz, but only actually receive up to
about 464 MHz.
Keep up the great work!
--
Rich Carlson, N9JIG (n9...@TheRamp.Net)
ScannerMaster Illinois Communications Guide (800) 722-6701
CARMA (Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association) BBS (708) 852-1292
PO Box 2681, Glenview IL 60025 SASE for sample newsletter.
Joseph W. Mann
>
> ---
Except when it comes to Bill Cheek. Shut your mouth or go play with your self.
Joseph
Bob Whiston
tv...@teleport.com (PjB) wrote:
>Oh lordy, not you again. For awhile there we thought you were gone for good.
>I too have witnessed your depracating remarks about this forum on FIDO.
>According to you everyone in this group is an idiot (....I can see the
>reply now...'no, just you'...)
>The groups seems to be getting along just fine without your thinly-veiled
>advertisements, Cheek. Go peddle it on FIDO, where you still have most of
>the people fooled some of the time.
Shut the fuck up!
If there is *anyone* who causes problems here it is *you*! This group has been
blessedly quite without your presence for sometime and would be nice if it
continued that way.
Doleo ergo sum,
-HALFPINT-
Bill Cheek
n9...@TheRamp.net (Rich Carlson) wrote:
>Do any of your books cover mods to ham radio gear?
Ummmmm, noooooo. I've not really delved into that world, to speak of.
It seems amply covered from what I can tell.
>I want to extend the receive capabilities of my Kenwood TM-731 to 480
>MHz. It will display 400 to 500 MHz, but only actually receive up to
>about 464 MHz.
Hmmmmm. I don't know anything about that rig, but I file-attached
what little I have on file for your perusal. Check your e-mail.
>Keep up the great work!
Thanksamundo, and you too!
-= Bill =-
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>The following addresses Bill Cheek only;
>Look what the wind blew in...
Hey, Duff, ya big fluff! How's it happening, ol' chop, ol' bud, ol'
pal of mine? Dang, it's good to run up on your sleezy, slimey, sorry,
scumbag self again!
It's scurvy, scummy, snotballs like you who just make my day! I mean,
I have to fall on my knees in solemn prayer every time I see or hear
about you, "There but for the grace of my deity, go I....." And the
sweat breaks out on my forehead; my heartbeat steps up; and my liver
quivvers to think of how I could have been like you, but for good
fortune and a decent upbringing. Shooooooey, you make ME feel good,
Duff, ya fat powderpuff!
But look, man, I'm in a good mood tonight. How's about you coming
over for dinner tomorrow evening?
You can eat my shorts - fresh and steaming. Howzzat?
-= Your Maker and Master =-
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>BC> Now here is the problem: I am one of the few, if not
>BC> the ONLY engineer fully committed to scanner mods.
>BC> ^
> / \
> |
> |
> |
>Huh ??? Is this self proclaimed ?
Ummmmmm......well, the record speaks for itself. You can add names to
the list, if you like. But I notice that you DIDN'T. :-)
> Don't flatter yourself
Don't worry, FluffDuff, I don't. <giggle>
>And DON'T mislead the good people...there a certainly a few other
>fully committed, experienced and knowledgeable scanner mod folks out
>there (admittedly not myself).
Addressing -= exactly =- what I said, tell me WHO. Do tell. Please.
>(The above views are expressed as my opinions.)
You are aware, of course, that opinions are a lot like rectal
orifices? Everybody has one, and they ALL stink. You are always
welcome to sniff your own, that's for sure. What I don't understand
is your obscessive interest in mine. <snicker> <giggle>
Jack McGee
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>So, whenever you issue the appology for booting me off FIDO without
>warning (for allegedly going off topic or was it flaming ?) I'll think
>about coming back.
Hugh, I quit reading SCANRADIO on my own. The bullshit and flame
level was way to high for my taste. I dumped several frequency lists
into it, so it's not like I was a freeloader, either. Good nuggets
every so often to be sure, but way too much shit along the way...
Bill Cheek
tv...@teleport.com (PjB) wrote:
>Oh lordy, not you again.
Hi ya, Petey-Jerk-Breath!
What's happenin', dude? Wanna come over for dinner tonight with your
love-buddy, the Duff-Puff?
He's gonna eat my shorts. I'll save a pair for you, too.
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
> <hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>
> >BC> Now here is the problem: I am one of the few, if not
> >BC> the ONLY engineer fully committed to scanner mods.
> >BC> ^
> > / \
> > |
> > |
> > |
> >Huh ??? Is this self proclaimed ?
>
BC> the list, if you like. But I notice that you DIDN'T. :-)
I'm going to keep the response light in stride with your mild response
to the previous post.
What record ? Are you telling me that you are a proffesional engineer?
Yeah or Nay ?
(It could be verified with little trouble...just pull out the directory of
Peng's.)
Like I said, self proclaimed ! Another "Scientist"...
(I just love it when someone tells me they're a "Scientist" :)
No, I although my occupation is in the world of design engineering I
wouldn't attempt to fool myself or others by claiming to be an Engineer.
Be a good guy Willy !
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
>
>
Okay, the old cooler head approach...Looks like you treated your
bucketmouth with some soap and water...
I'm game...
Sounds good Willy ! Can I drag along the wife and kid ?
Will the ol' lady be there ?
So, whenever you issue the appology for booting me off FIDO without
warning (for allegedly going off topic or was it flaming ?) I'll think
about coming back. Remember , that was pre-"Zero Tolerance" days.
Perhaps we can shit on each other in private. Otherwise, we'll just have
to keep the status quo...I'll stay here and you can stay there.
Gotta love some of the Goderator jargon over there now (FIDO).
"Zero Tolerance"...(What ever happened to democracy ?)
"Co-Goderators"..."What they say goes but what I (BC) say overules !"
(Dictatorship !)
Ah well, we all need to have our kingdoms, eh !? ...and yours is in the
world of radio scanners.
Peace Cat \/
r...@indirect.com
> tv...@teleport.com (PjB) writes:
>
> > ------------clip----------------------
> >
> > Bill Cheek wrote: .......much self-serving crap deleted....
>
> Oh lordy, not you again. For awhile there we thought you were gone for good.
Right back at you.
> I too have witnessed your depracating remarks about this forum on FIDO.
^
correct spelling: deprecating
Per Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary, page 222, column 2
> According to you everyone in this group is an idiot (....I can see the
> reply now...'no, just you'...)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
At last, you are finally starting to get the message...
> The groups seems to be getting along just fine without your thinly-veiled
> advertisements, Cheek. Go peddle it on FIDO, where you still have most of
> the people fooled some of the time.
>
>>>>
I, for one, appreciate the time and effort Bill takes to share his technical
explorations with us. His efforts enable some of us to learn, and occasionally
make a little side money.
From where I sit, I think you should take your obsequious excuse for an existence
and commit a few dry acts of intrapersonal intercourse.
Richard Kendrick CET WA7TWI |
Amateur Radio Extra Class | Do not adjust your mind, there
QRP #4129/G-QRP #8591/MI-QRP #M-1412 | is a fault in reality.
Phoenix, AZ email: r...@indirect.com |
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>> But look, man, I'm in a good mood tonight. How's about you coming
>> over for dinner tomorrow evening?
>> You can eat my shorts - fresh and steaming. Howzzat?
>> -= Your Maker and Master =-
>Sounds good Willy ! Can I drag along the wife and kid ?
Sure, so long as you don't mind the possibility of raising someone
else's kid about 3/4ths of a year later.
>So, whenever you issue the appology for booting me off FIDO without
>warning (for allegedly going off topic or was it flaming ?)
It was "acting like an asshole". And there will be no apology just as
there will be no "you coming back". You're dead meat, Duffy-Baby.
> I'll think about coming back.
Instead, hire someone to do your thinking for you. You'll get better
results and waste less time that way.
> Remember , that was pre-"Zero Tolerance" days.
Nope. You were just one of the first to test it.
>Perhaps we can shit on each other in private. Otherwise, we'll just have
>to keep the status quo...I'll stay here and you can stay there.
You can do whatever you please....EXCEPT come back to the SCANRADIO
forum. That, my fine liver-lipped friend, you may not do.
>"Zero Tolerance"...(What ever happened to democracy ?)
Are you stupid or what? Message forums are not democracies; never
were, and ain't ever likely to be. They're either anarchies like this
one - or they're well maintained and controlled monocracies like the
SCANRADIO forum.
>"Co-Goderators"..."What they say goes but what I (BC) say overules !"
> (Dictatorship !)
You always did like a good "dicktater", Duffy-Baby, so whatcherbeef
now? You bent over and got porked for your time and trouble. You DID
it, with full choice and knowledge all the way, pal. So quit your
sniveling and whining now.
>Ah well, we all need to have our kingdoms, eh !? ...and yours is in the
>world of radio scanners.
.....and computers....and chess...and poker....and a few other things.
I am definitely NOT a "good ol' boy" member of the herd. Whether it's
raising petunias and habaneros, or hacking and writing about scanners,
or using a computer to reach out to the stars, you can bet that fat
patooty of yours that I -=WILL=- achieve a level of excellence and
mastery.....or I won't be doing it. I don't do anything half-way,
pal. THAT just gnaws on you and sticks in your craw, doesn't it?
SCANNUT
"commit a few dry acts of intrapersonal intercourse."
Now that is the darnest way I have ever heard that expressed. I want this
guy on my side in the next argument I have.
SCANNUT
Love him or hate him, you have to admit that when Cheek shows up things
get interesting. I begrudge no one the opportunity to make money in this
hobby. If the product sucks, it won't sell. Obviously Cheek's books
continue to sell because he keeps coming out with them.
J.W. Wolfington
Just keep doing what you're doing Cheekman!!
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>> The imbecile <hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >BC> Now here is the problem: I am one of the few, if not
>> >BC> the ONLY engineer fully committed to scanner mods.
>> >BC> ^
>> > / \
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |
>> >Huh ??? Is this self proclaimed ?
>>
>BC> Ummmmmm......well, the record speaks for itself. You can add names to
>BC> the list, if you like. But I notice that you DIDN'T. :-)
>What record ? Are you telling me that you are a proffesional engineer?
I didn't tell you anything. You may infer that I am an engineer and a
professional......33-years worth, at last count. And I can spell,
too! And you IGNORED my question. You're playing games, Duffster.
>(It could be verified with little trouble...just pull out the directory of
>Peng's.)
Pull out whatever little thing you can get your hands on. Jerk it all
you want. You're playing games, Duffster.
>Like I said, self proclaimed ! Another "Scientist"...
>(I just love it when someone tells me they're a "Scientist" :)
Aren't we all? We should be........ I even do a little rocket
science once in a while, dear Duffster. Deep stuff. Make no bones
about it, I do what I want to do.....and most of the time, it has
something to do with overcoming massive obstacles of either substance
or mind.....or both. Whatever label YOU want to push to put on it is
only an example of your continued sniveling and straying from the
topical flow of this forum.
Labels and titles, Mister Duffster, are for those who don't know what
the hell they are supposed to be doing. But let's put it in another
light.....the last five REAL JOBs I had were with the following
titles:
Project Manager (1978-79) Radio telemetry of meteorological & air
pollution data
Telecommunications Engineer (1980) Designer of land microwave and
VHF-UHF SCADA systems
VHF-UHF Engineering Supervisor (1981-82) Same as above, except
lead engineer
Program Manager (1982-84) Satellite & space communications
President/CEO (1988) of a communications manufacturing corporation
Since then, I have achieved a measure of freedom that goes far beyond
title and label. Now I guess you could say that I am CEO of the
world's smallest company. (But I am master of the largest!)
>No, I although my occupation is in the world of design engineering I
>wouldn't attempt to fool myself or others by claiming to be an Engineer.
THAT is only because you are NOT one, then. A man is only what he is.
What others call him makes utterly no difference in the great scheme
of things..... except if he's called LATE TO DINNER. That is ungood.
You seem to have a lot of time to be deeply concerned about WHO and
WHAT I am. Why? Clearly, you perceive yourself as little more than a
toilet scrubber, and perhaps by attacking me, you can elevate yourself
a little? Or perhaps I am an evil entity, and by eradicating me, your
name will go down in history as Savior of The World?
Attack away, sweets! But you might first want to study and bone up a
little on my great, great, step-grandfather-in-law's bastard cousin's
dad, Admiral David Farragut. He rubbed off on me a little. Find out
what he said as his fleet entered Mobile Bay......... I have other
preferred 4-letter words over the innocuous "Damn...."
Tim Smith
In article <4sml03$6...@globe.indirect.com>, r...@indirect.com wrote:
>I, for one, appreciate the time and effort Bill takes to share his technical
>explorations with us. His efforts enable some of us to learn, and
occasionally
>make a little side money.
Birds of a feather, flock together...
Bill Cheek
sca...@aol.com (SCANNUT) wrote:
> Love him or hate him, you have to admit that when Cheek shows up things
> get interesting.
Seems every lowlife that can't make it on his own or stand on his own
two damn feet wants a go at me for a free ride to the stars. It gets
on their nerves when I extract a tax for being clingberries......
> I begrudge no one the opportunity to make money in this
> hobby. If the product sucks, it won't sell. Obviously Cheek's books
> continue to sell because he keeps coming out with them.
And I don't do it for my health, either. I got publishers yanking on
me from one side and hackers on the other. About every couple of
years, I just have to give in and crank out another one......or get
the snot beat out of me by both sides.... :-)
Funny thing is, though, I come on here to drop off an informational
and educational FAQ a few days ago, and wingnuts, Hubey Duffster and
Petey J. PoopBreath got the urge to have a go at me.
The REAL funny thing is that I kicked ol' Duffster's ass off the
FidoNet SCANRADIO forum about six months ago for acting like an
asshole. So he frogs onto this public anarchist forum to drop his
britches, pee and poop all over the place so the world know just what
happened to him and what a jerk I am for having the audacity to give
'im the boot. Hell, I kicked his ass so hard, me and HIM had to go to
the hospital on three legs to get my foot surgically removed from his
grumpstump. He's still a little "sore"....if you know what I mean.
<wink - wink - nudge - nudge>
Now little ol' Petey Poop.....I don't know what his problem is, other
than I see him over on the shrink newsgroups all the time trying to
score hits of Depo-Provera and other things to settle his nerves. Way
back a year ago, some other snotball was on this group day in and day
out blowing and going on about me....so I popped in to have a visit
with 'im, and that's when ol' Petey Patootey jumped on the bandwagon.
I think he and the snotball had 'em something going..... At one time,
they were writing in another group about going shopping for furniture
together. One liked Danish Modern and the other'n liked Colonial.....
That's about it up to the minute. More news at 11. Petey-boy will be
wanting to get on the pot next. Then Duffster will want his turn.
They both just LOVE to sit after me.
CYA......
PAUL B
>
Hey bill you wouldn't happen to know the discriminator mod for the AOR
AR2500 would you ????
--
PAUL B
Doug Hutton
Hey Bill (2):
How about the discriminator output for the AR8000.
Is it the unlabelled 1st entry in your disc. list?
I've seen this question asked many times on this forum, but
have never seen a clear answer.
Doug H.
Lubbock, TX
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
HD> >What record ? Are you telling me that you are a proffesional engineer?
BC> I didn't tell you anything. You may infer that I am an engineer and a
BC> professional......33-years worth, at last count. And I can spell,
BC> too! And you IGNORED my question. You're playing games, Duffster.
NO games played here Willy...YOU are the one doing the dance.
What question did I ignore ? Was it my statement that you are not the only
knowledgeable scanner buff around town and your pompus arrogant reply of
"oh ya...tell me who ?" Well I prefer not to drag others into this so
let me say that it is of my opinion and retract the statement for that
reason only (not that I agree that you are any kind of scanner god).
So now that I've cleared that up...YOU stop with the games.
Why don't you you just answer YES or NO...Are you a Engineer ?
I don't care to hear that you have X number of years in Engineering
environments so that qualifies you as one in your own mind.
YES or NO ???
By the way, if you're so qualified and competent why did you have
someone else design and write the firmware for the CE-232 scanner
interface ? Why are you not able to tackle such a project on your own
Mr."Engineer" ? (You already told me it was someone else.)
BC> Labels and titles, Mister Duffster, are for those who don't know what
BC> the hell they are supposed to be doing. But let's put it in another
Tell that to the good folk who invest countless years in education
to qualify them to use labels and titles.
I do design Engineering but admittedly don't have a University degree
in Engineering so therefore have no right to be so bold as to label myself
as an one (nor belittle those who do).
I only asked a question and you are the one playing games Bill.
Your attutitude is what rubs people the wrong way.
You're just so damned high on yourself.
If you want to know why I'm on this mission it's because of the
arrogant, condescending and verbally abusive dialog I have witnessed
during past messaging with you...you sure rubbed ME the wrong way.
Your horn blowing and overinflated fat-head need to be brought back to
Earth.
You are NOT the SCANNER GOD you think you are. Get a grip on reality.
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
re: CE-232 Advertisement.
Geez, for a guy who is so well off from his previous years of high
ranking employment you sure are getting agressive with CE-232 marketing.
Wussamatter...is the FIDO market saturated ?
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
BC> Funny thing is, though, I come on here to drop off an informational
BC> and educational FAQ a few days ago, and wingnuts, Hubey Duffster and
BC> Petey J. PoopBreath got the urge to have a go at me
It was nothing more than an AD. Where was the value added information
and education ? "Here's what I can tell you about and here's how you
can get in touch with me to find out how to find out more..."
> The REAL funny thing is that I kicked ol' Duffster's ass off the
> FidoNet SCANRADIO forum about six months ago for acting like an
> asshole. So he frogs onto this public anarchist forum to drop his
No anarchy over here until YOU showed up Bill.
Ask yourself why I am so mad with you (and I'm NOT the only one
who finds you repulsive). Don't believe it began when you extracted
me from FIDO in a Dictatorship style...the animosity started well before
that. The FIDO release only reinforced my realization of how much an
arrogant-pompus person you are.
> Now little ol' Petey Poop.....I don't know what his problem is, other
> than I see him over on the shrink newsgroups all the time trying to
> score hits of Depo-Provera and other things to settle his nerves. Way
> back a year ago, some other snotball was on this group day in and day
I see the name calling is starting up...we must be getting to you :)
It was Andy Moss...and I wonder what it was about you that rubbed HIM
the wrong way ?
> out blowing and going on about me....so I popped in to have a visit
> with 'im, and that's when ol' Petey Patootey jumped on the bandwagon.
"The truth is out there !" (X-Files)
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
> <hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>
>
> >So, whenever you issue the appology for booting me off FIDO without
> >about coming back.
>
> level was way to high for my taste. I dumped several frequency lists
> into it, so it's not like I was a freeloader, either. Good nuggets
> every so often to be sure, but way too much shit along the way...
>
The above was made in humour of Billy's comment to me that he
would consider "letting me back on FIDO" if I appologized. :)
I don't really miss it...'tis nothing now other than an
advertising/support medium for his books and scanner interface.
It USED TO BE good when you could democratically voice your scanner
related views. I happened to hit him in the funny bone and it hurt...
Consider me the initiator of the FIDO "Zero Tolerance" rule :)
Do you ever wonder why the flame level is so high on FIDO ?
Have you noticed that it was practically non-existent here when Cheek
stays away ? (I'm not the only one whom he doesn't get along with.)
Cheers !
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
HD> >Sounds good Willy ! Can I drag along the wife and kid ?
BC> Sure, so long as you don't mind the possibility of raising someone
BC> else's kid about 3/4ths of a year later.
Hahaha ! Deflate that fat head or yours Billy....my wife wouldn't
touch you with a thirty-eight and a half foot pole...in fact she
wouldn't give you the time of day. I've had the unfortunate
opportunity to see your mug and I can tell you she wouldn't even piss
on you if you were on fire.
Not to mention, I could imagine you would need some rigidity assistance...
use some of your Engineering skills perhaps !? :)
HD> >So, whenever you issue the apology for booting me off FIDO without
HD> >warning (for allegedly going off topic or was it flaming ?)
HD> It was "acting like an asshole". And there will be no apology just as
HD> there will be no "you coming back". You're dead meat, Duffy-Baby.
Do you know what SATIRE is Billy ? Remember when you told me...
"I'll consider letting you back on FIDO if you issue an apology..." ?
(I replied..."not likely !!!") Ya...I'm "dead meat" alright..haha !
Was it hitting you in the funnybone (or pocketbook) with some technical
questions that you couldn't answer that humiliated you into a rage of
expelling me (without notice I might add...hence the new "Zero
Tolerance" rule...ooohhh !) that put you off the deep-end ?
What was it now that afforded me the label "asshole" ?
Regardless, I couldn't care less if you legitimately "let" me back on
FIDO or not. I'm still there on occasion just to watch you make a fool
of yourself and have been since I was expelled under my real name !
As a matter of fact ever since David Stark had to relieve himslef as the
Moderator...and you conveniently took over (did somebody say CONFLICT OF
INTEREST ?), the original rules of the FIDO echos have been twisted and
it is nothing more than the Bill Cheek Scanner mods book/ CE-232 support
echo. Nothing more, nothing less.. Still the same old cronies of yours
who kiss your 'cheeks' and upload countless number of useless messages
to make it look like there is a busy flow of messages when in fact, its
just you, them and few other technically challenged folk who have not
yet had to encounter your arrogancy.
Someone else just yesterday posted a message here to the same effect...
No FIDO ? No great loss !
HD> >Perhaps we can shit on each other in private. Otherwise, we'll just have
HD> >to keep the status quo...I'll stay here and you can stay there.
BC> You can do whatever you please....EXCEPT come back to the SCANRADIO
BC> forum. That, my fine liver-lipped friend, you may not do.
I'm heartbroken :(
Oh well...Let the anarchy begin !
Since the FIDO Scanradio echo is saturated hence you feel the need to
poison this domain then its Put up or Shut up !
Gotta sell more of those Someone-else-designed-it-232's eh ?
Yet another "Sale". "Special" ! "Get yours before they're all gone" !
"New low price" !
HD> >"Zero Tolerance"...(What ever happened to democracy ?)
BC> Are you stupid or what? Message forums are not democracies; never
BC> were, and ain't ever likely to be. They're either anarchies like this
BC> one - or they're well maintained and controlled monocracies like the
BC> SCANRADIO forum. (DICTATORS)
Are YOU stupid or what ? This newsgroup is NEVER in a state of Anarchy
until YOU show up.
Why is that ?
HD> >"Co-Goderators"..."What they say goes but what I (BC) say overules !"
HD> > (Dictatorship !)
BC> You always did like a good "dicktater", Duffy-Baby, so whatcherbeef
BC> now? You bent over and got porked for your time and trouble. You DID
BC> it, with full choice and knowledge all the way, pal. So quit your
BC> sniveling and whining now.
And here starts the childish namecalling and silly dialog not to mention
a dance from the original context.
FIDO ScanRadio Goderator DICTATOR ! Hear me ?
BC> I am definitely NOT a "good ol' boy" member of the herd. Whether it's
BC> raising petunias and habaneros, or hacking and writing about scanners,
BC> or using a computer to reach out to the stars, you can bet that fat
BC> patooty of yours that I -=WILL=- achieve a level of excellence and
BC> mastery.....or I won't be doing it. I don't do anything half-way,
BC> pal. THAT just gnaws on you and sticks in your craw, doesn't it?
BC>
BC> -= Your Maker and Master =-
"Damn I'm good"...Yet more arrogancy...does it ever end Bill ?
How does your head fit thru doorways ?
Bill Cheek
kc5...@fais.net (J.W. Wolfington) wrote:
>Just keep doing what you're doing Cheekman!!
Aw shucks, I was just trying to be a good guy.
:-)
Bill Cheek
PAUL B <pa...@g0tts.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hey bill you wouldn't happen to know the discriminator mod for the AOR
>AR2500 would you ????
Noooooo, but look for one of the below chips, and if you find it, you
got it. If not, then hunt around for a chip that has a 455-kHz IF
filter next to it and tell me the numbers and I'll look it up.
CKT RF-in SCAN AUDIO
SCANNER NFM CHIP TYPE SYMBOL Pin Pin BASEBAND
=============== =============== ======= ===== ===== =========
AR-1000 TA-7787AF IC-4 16 none 9
AR-2002 MC-3357P IC-4 16 13 9
AR-3000 MC-3357P ? 16 13 9
AR-800 MC-3361N IC-200 16 13 9
AR-900 MC-3361N IC-201 16 13 9
AR-950 MC-3361N IC-201 16 13 9
-= Bill Cheek =-
Bill Cheek
tsm...@fibusa.com (Tim Smith) wrote:
> Birds of a feather, flock together...
Indeed......they do, don't they?
Bill Cheek
jmc...@mail.orion.org (Jack McGee) wrote:
>Hugh, I quit reading SCANRADIO on my own. The bullshit and flame
>level was way to high for my taste. I dumped several frequency lists
>into it, so it's not like I was a freeloader, either. Good nuggets
>every so often to be sure,
You ought to come back and check it out now. I got rid of all the
lids, twits, nitwits, nincompoops, and sickos. SCANRADIO has become a
free forum where everyone is free to talk scanners and scanning. Not
a bad place anymore.
> but way too much shit along the way...
Well, yeah, but that was due to the likes of ol' Hewbie Duffster and
cronies who had the idea of sinking the whole forum. Once they got
the boot, things settled down and the forum has become civil and
friendly, not to mention educational and informational.
Just remember one thing..... "shit happens", but it is always dropped
by someone FIRST. Hugh Duff dropped it FIRST here about a week ago.
Just check the threads and the date/time headers if you don't believe.
He started his share of it on the SCANRADIO forum, too. And got sent
packing for his time and trouble.
<shrug>
-= Bill Cheek =-
Bill Cheek
Doug Hutton <Doug....@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>How about the discriminator output for the AR8000.
>Is it the unlabelled 1st entry in your disc. list?
No, that one is just an NFM chip used in various scanners for which I
either don't remember what or never knew.
>I've seen this question asked many times on this forum, but
>have never seen a clear answer.
Well, AOR is utterly terrible when it comes to technical
documentation, and I haven't seen a schematic on the AR-8000 to be
able to tell for sure. I'm not sure one even exists. I've asked a
number of people for a copy, but no one knows if and where a Service
Manual is available. That's what I'd need.
If you have a service manual on the AR-8000, I'd be glad to copy it
and return the original. And then I could tell a helluva lot more.
Rgds,
Bill
Steve Work
Doug Hutton (Doug....@postoffice.worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Hey Bill (2):
: How about the discriminator output for the AR8000.
: Is it the unlabelled 1st entry in your disc. list?
Can someone answer yes or no, is it on that little flat connector inside
the battery compartment?
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Bill Cheeks is an asshole. You have to have dealt with him to truly
understande his problems.
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>re: CE-232 Advertisement.
'Er.....Press Release. Big difference. Read it again.
>Geez, for a guy who is so well off from his previous years of high
>ranking employment you sure are getting agressive with CE-232 marketing.
>Wussamatter...is the FIDO market saturated ?
No market is saturated. I went on a cost-cutting mission, and
acquired parts and materials at much better prices than were ever
before available to me. In turn, I was able to shave the price by a
substantial margin. People have a right to know about things like
that. Ok, so you're not interested. That's cool.
But, I'm not a multi-million dollar company like Optoelectronics who
can afford full page ads in all the rags from here to Timbuktu. And
then "hire" shills to frog onto forums like this one, touting their
stuff as if they were regular hobbyists. Me....I was up front with it
all the way, Mr. Duff. No shills. No hype and hyperbole.
But we feel the CE-232 is a very competitive product, and that it does
things others can't touch. Fer instance, the CE-232 can AutoProgram
the scanner with as many frequencies as it will hold, hands off, nice
and automated with no errors..... The CE-232 can also operate
remotely from the scanner, and even be disconnected from it.....
AND PLUGGED INTO ANOTHER SCANNER while the first one is being used for
something else. If you have two scanners and want the Optoelectronic
interface, then you have to buy TWO of the Opto units...... not so
with the CE-232. Just one itty bitty CE-232 can serve any number of
supported scanners.
Because of the drastic price reduction and the fact that the CE-232 is
not widely publicized by the press, I thought it quite appropriate to
make a Press Release about it. Sorry if you disagree...... 'Sniff.
And here is another matter for you to gnaw on....... I don't have
mega-dollars to spend on advertising, so I can't get any of the major
magazines to review the CE-232. (You have to spend the money first to
get a decent review.) Sooooooo, what are the alternatives?
One alternative was to issue a Press Release in this forum. I spent
considerable time making it tasteful and 99.5% informative.
Try reading it again and tell me EXACTLY where you take issue with it.
I'm open to justifiable criticism.....I'll make it better. Just tell
me EXACTLY where, ok?
Bill
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Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>BC> Funny thing is, though, I come on here to drop off an informational
>BC> and educational FAQ a few days ago, and wingnuts, Hubey Duffster and
>BC> Petey J. PoopBreath got the urge to have a go at me
>It was nothing more than an AD. Where was the value added information
>and education ?
Did you bother to read it? I'd say is was loaded with VALUE and
information.
>"Here's what I can tell you about and here's how you
>can get in touch with me to find out how to find out more..."
Yeah? I cut those parts out. I've been sending out that FAQ for six
months now, and you are the first to snivel about it. But you pop off
over anything I post. <shrug>
>No anarchy over here until YOU showed up Bill.
And YOU being on a "mission".....just couldn't stifle yourself, huh?
>Ask yourself why I am so mad with you
Actually, I wish you'd get a little madder and DO something besides
flatulate all over this forum.
> (and I'm NOT the only one who finds you repulsive).
True, you do have goooooood company. Just look at the likes of 'em,
though. Whoooooooey, I'd run like a striped-assed ape, if I were you,
DuffieBaby. A man gets known by the company he keeps.
> Don't believe it began when you extracted
>me from FIDO in a Dictatorship style...
Nooooooo, DuffieBaby, not dictatorship style. You BROKE THE RULES and
got evicted by an *authoritarian* style.
> the animosity started well before
> that. The FIDO release only reinforced my realization of how much an
> arrogant-pompus person you are.
<Yawn> Your duff, Duff, still smarts from that Size #13EE that I
placed on it, crosswise....... You just can't stand it.
<giggle>
That's going to stick in your craw until the cows come home, ain't it?
<snicker>
<cackle>
<horselaugh>
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>HD> >What record ? Are you telling me that you are a proffesional engineer?
>BC> I didn't tell you anything. You may infer that I am an engineer and a
>BC> professional......33-years worth, at last count. And I can spell,
>BC> too! And you IGNORED my question. You're playing games, Duffster.
>NO games played here Willy...YOU are the one doing the dance.
>What question did I ignore ? Was it my statement that you are not the only
>knowledgeable scanner buff around town and your pompus arrogant reply of
>"oh ya...tell me who ?" Well I prefer not to drag others into this so
>let me say that it is of my opinion and retract the statement for that
>reason only (not that I agree that you are any kind of scanner god).
You can think whatever you want, Hubie. I don't profess to be a deity
of any sort. I -=am=- a master of several subjects, scanners being
one. But mastery is relative. I just wanted to know WHO else you
thought was relatively proficient.....since YOU -=did=- make the
direct reference to 'em. It became a "we", and I want to know who
this "we" is.
>So now that I've cleared that up...YOU stop with the games.
You didn't clear it up. You crawfished. You shot off your mouth and
then failed to back it up.
>Why don't you you just answer YES or NO...Are you a Engineer ?
"a Engineer"? (Duhhhhhhh are I a engineer?) Is English your native
language? If so, don't play the syntax and grammar games on me.
English is my native language, and I am a relative master at it, too.
>I don't care to hear that you have X number of years in Engineering
>environments so that qualifies you as one in your own mind.
>YES or NO ???
There is no YES or NO, up to this point. You're playing games, Hubie,
and so you will have to articulate the question excruciatingly perfect
before I give you the YES or NO for which you're fishing. You asked a
stupid question with obvious traps built into it. Sooooo, rephrase
the question technically and grammatically correct, and I will answer
it. Otherwise, you will have to be content to accept my experience,
track record, professional memberships and peer/trade acceptance.
>By the way, if you're so qualified and competent why did you have
>someone else design and write the firmware for the CE-232 scanner
>interface ? Why are you not able to tackle such a project on your own
>Mr."Engineer" ? (You already told me it was someone else.)
I told you several months ago when you LAST asked that stupid
question, too. Are you so brain-dead that you can't remember? Geezus,
Hubie, get your gourd defragged or something. I told you several
times, direct and in general to the public, that about all I know of
programming is that it comes on radio and TV. And I don't watch much
TV or listen to broadcast radio.
Firmware is software, Hubie, and I don't wear a propeller on my ball
cap. If I tackled software issues, then I'd have to let hardware
issues lapse. So I hire help when I need it. Now please write that
down and don't ask me that again.
>BC> Labels and titles, Mister Duffster, are for those who don't know what
>BC> the hell they are supposed to be doing. But let's put it in another
>Tell that to the good folk who invest countless years in education
>to qualify them to use labels and titles.
People can use whatever labels and titles they want, don't you think?
Especially those of us with both an "investment" and a track record?
Eh?
>I do design Engineering but admittedly don't have a University degree
>in Engineering so therefore have no right to be so bold as to label myself
>as an one (nor belittle those who do).
Well, then.......stop belittling me for starters. But once again, you
fail to practice what you preach.
> I only asked a question and you are the one playing games Bill.
> Your attutitude is what rubs people the wrong way.
> You're just so damned high on yourself.
I wasn't.
Not when I came in here to drop off that FAQ. You challenged me once
again for no damn good reason, so what the hell? When a sicko crawls
out of nowhere, on the prod....picking and poking - yer dern tootin,
I get high on myself. YOU make ME feel dern good, almost orgasmic, to
where I have to mutter that famous prayer, "There but for the grace of
God, go I....."
>If you want to know why I'm on this mission
Ahhhhhhh, there we have it......A MISSION! A "crusade".
>it's because of the
>arrogant, condescending and verbally abusive dialog I have witnessed
>during past messaging with you...you sure rubbed ME the wrong way.
Guess what? I am going to stick in your gullet even more, then.
Whatever your complaints of the past.... I dropped off a FAQ to the
newsgroup this week; and said nothing to or about you. But you leaped
in with both feet AGAIN. It's YOU who's not giving it a rest, Duff.
>Your horn blowing and overinflated fat-head need to be brought back to
>Earth.
And you're THE MAN to do it, I take it? <giggle> What deity
appointed you?
>You are NOT the SCANNER GOD you think you are. Get a grip on reality.
I don't place labels like that on myself, HubieBaby. You did.
Reality is this: -=I=- wrote the books on scanner re-engineering.
THAT is -=real=-, my envious antagonist.
Also real is that all you can do is attack. After all, YOU'RE on a
"mission".
I -= do =- things of sum and substance in this field. YOU attack
those who -= do =-. My having the balls to -= DO =- something rubbed
you the wrong way. There's a sicko like you in every crowd. The
FUNNY thing is.........is that if you were really rubbed right, you'd
REWRITE the books on scanner hacking and REALLY show me how it is.
Pity that all you're really capable of is....potshooting and
backstabbing from behind cover.
C'mon, HubeyBaby, load up your lugnuts in a wheelbarrow and belly up
to the measuring stick; unzip and fish it out; lay it on the stick and
let's SEE what you're made out of. DO something that COUNTS on your
own merit; run your own race in your own lane; in your own track
shoes. Surf your own wave and get off mine.
You want a piece of my ass, pal? Then belly up to the stick and whup
it out. I mean REALLY show me up. Gimme a run for my money. Let's
see what a badass you really are. DO something that COUNTS.
This old world is full of two kinds of people, Duff:
Smart fellers
Fart Smellers
Belly up to the stick, son, and let's find out which one you are.
-= Bill Cheek =-
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>HD> >Sounds good Willy ! Can I drag along the wife and kid ?
>BC> Sure, so long as you don't mind the possibility of raising someone
>BC> else's kid about 3/4ths of a year later.
>Hahaha ! Deflate that fat head or yours Billy....my wife wouldn't
>touch you with a thirty-eight and a half foot pole...in fact she
>wouldn't give you the time of day.
Wanna bet?
>HD> It was "acting like an asshole". And there will be no apology just as
>HD> there will be no "you coming back". You're dead meat, Duffy-Baby.
>Do you know what SATIRE is Billy ? Remember when you told me...
>"I'll consider letting you back on FIDO if you issue an apology..." ?
That was then. I changed my mind. After seeing how you START trouble
here, I wouldn't let you back in on a stack of green cash.
>(I replied..."not likely !!!") Ya...I'm "dead meat" alright..haha !
Yup. History.
>Was it hitting you in the funnybone (or pocketbook) with some technical
>questions that you couldn't answer that humiliated you into a rage of
>expelling me (without notice I might add...hence the new "Zero
>Tolerance" rule...ooohhh !) that put you off the deep-end ?
>What was it now that afforded me the label "asshole" ?
Nothing changed. You acted like an asshole and got the boot;
a Size #13 EE crosswise. And you're still "sore"...heh heh heh
>Regardless, I couldn't care less if you legitimately "let" me back on
>FIDO or not.
I wouldn't illegitimately let you back in, DuffPuff.
> I'm still there on occasion just to watch you make a fool
> of yourself and have been since I was expelled under my real name !
You'll need to use an assumed name, and you'll wind up getting your
SysOp booted if you're not careful.
>As a matter of fact ever since David Stark had to relieve himslef as the
>Moderator...and you conveniently took over
David Stark was long gone before I took over. Ken Storm appointed me,
nice and legitimate like. Don't resort to obfuscation, HewbieBaby.
> (did somebody say CONFLICT OF INTEREST ?),
YOU did. But there is no conflict of interest. You just don't
understand anything but anarchy, Huber.
>BC> You can do whatever you please....EXCEPT come back to the SCANRADIO
>BC> forum. That, my fine liver-lipped friend, you may not do.
>I'm heartbroken :(
You should be. You lost out, pal. And got yourself a sore patooty
for your time and trouble.
>Oh well...Let the anarchy begin !
>Since the FIDO Scanradio echo is saturated hence you feel the need to
>poison this domain then its Put up or Shut up !
You started it anew, Duffster. I sure didn't come on here looking for
you and your goodbuddy..........
> This newsgroup is NEVER in a state of Anarchy until YOU show up.
> Why is that ?
Easy. You won't give it a rest. I posted a FAQ. You just had to
show your butt. You could have kept your peace.....but you didn't.
All because you have a sore patooty..... <poor Hubey>
>"Damn I'm good"...Yet more arrogancy...does it ever end Bill ?
>How does your head fit thru doorways ?
The more appropriate question is how does my foot get removed from
your duff, Duff?
Obviously, it's STILL sticking there after all these months.
heh heh heh heh.......
Bill Cheek
"John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> wrote:
>Bill Cheeks is an asshole. You have to have dealt with him to truly
>understande his problems.
No problems. I come from a long line of Assholes. Asshole is my
middle name. Sorry, can't help it.
You COULD have helped getting your ass kicked off the FidoNet, though.
You dropped your britches and showed your butt there just as you are
doing here.
<shrug>
-= Bill A. Cheek =-
Bill Cheek
"John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> flatulated:
> Most hams are smart enough to see thru Bill Cheeks games so he is not well
> received in most ham circles.
<giggle>
I taught ham classes for years. Not only that, but I probably guided
a hundred or more people from all walks of Life into Amateur Radio. I
am rather well received in the *better* ham circles with whom I care
to associate.
We all know,however, that there are low-life ham circles, just like
there are low life's everywhere else.
Well........take YOU fer instance......here in this otherwise
honorable forum. You couldn't behave yourself on the SCANRADIO forum
just like you can't behave yourself here.
Your record speaks for itself..............
-= Bill Cheek =-
Bill Cheek
"John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> wrote:
>You better back off, Joseph. He is right about Bill Cheeks. If you have EVER
>dealt with Cheeks on FIdonet, he is an ASSHOLE.
In case anyone wants to know, Mackey-Baby is another one that got
himself kicked off the SCANRADIO forum. He's got an axe to grind,
too.
<Checking birth certificate......>
Yep......Asshole is my middle name.
Sorry....can't help it.
Donald Gray
slw...@netcom.com (Steve Work) wrote:
The good News: YES it is :-)
The bad News: Oh NO is is not! :-(
It depends on what you want to do with it. If it is to get hold of a
fixed level audio, then YES IT IS.
If uoy want ABSOLUTE RAW (straigt from the pin) audio then the problen
is that there are several demodulators (all two of them) , so the
answer is NO it isn't BUT read on macduff....
I have the service manual for the 8000.
There are different demodulators for the different modes.
The nbfm is is out of U1 - TK10485M
the AM/WBFM is out of U3 - TA7792
Sideband osc/buf Q9/Q10
The following description is MY interpretation of the block diagram.
(I do not have time to take a detailed look and analyse the circuit
diagram). The words below are MINE not AOR's Therefore the following
must be seen as NON OFFICIAL. AND at YOUR risk.
The various discriminator/demodulators/detectors have pre processing
(conditioning) before all meeting at the mode selector switch U6.
(Cmos bi-switch 4066)
The raw NBFMsignal gets filtered and goes through a buffer amp Q6
(fixed gain) before hitting the input of mode switch U6.
The raw AM/WBFM does not get conditioned before hitting the input of
the mode switch.
The output from the mode switch goes through amp U5B [uPC358 ] (as a
buffer? or line amp? - it matters, but be aware that there is a fixed
gain amp here)
The output from this amp splits into two directions. One direction
takes the fixed level audio to the normal audio amplifier, via the
audio gainpot etc. (Volume control).
The other direction feeds the FCC connector on the back of the radio
via C9, a 0.1 mfd blocking capacitor.
I DO NOT recommend any one messing in the back of the radio UNLESS you
have experience in micro (size, not processor) electronics and are
familiar with Cmos handling techniques - the tracks are tiny and so
are the components - they are sensitive to body static electricity -
especially on hot dry days when body static cab be as high as 100,000
volts (and the poor old AR8000 takes 5v! - BE CAUTIONED!
(It makes yer eyes water thinking about it!)
I CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR BLOWN UP RADIOS.
NO MATTER HOW SO CAUSED!!!!
The fixed level audio out of the mode switch BEFORE it get to the
blocking 0.1mfd blocking capacitor can be found on pin 3 of connector
J2 inside the radio.
The same audio (after the blocking capacitor) is on pin 6 of J3 (The
FCC connector on the back of the radio.
(Looking at the back of the radio, pin 6 is is the second one in from
the left.)
CAUTION - the radio supply voltage (c5v) and ground are also on this
connector so be carefull you don't short them whilst pocking about!
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"John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> wrote:
>> Please don't spoil it by dragging your FIDO-boss attitude back here.
>> > Go enjoy your dictatorship world with the rest of your FIDO followers and
>> > leave well enough alone.
>> > Hugh Duff VA3TO Toronto
>> > ş NFX v1.3 [000]Your response was totally uncalled for. Shut your mouth. You have said nothing these past few months.
>> Except when it comes to Bill Cheek. Shut your mouth or go play with your self.
>> Joseph
>You better back off, Joseph. He is right about Bill Cheeks. If you have EVER
>dealt with Cheeks on FIdonet, he is an ASSHOLE.
Hey Folks - Is this a private fight or can ANYONE join in?
::--))
(one eye shut Bill - hic - one more double B&B and hold the branch!)
With two eyes ::--)) ((--:: summuts wrong?
Garry Hobart
So what's the deal with this CE-232, anyway? It sounds like about six
bucks worth of parts soldered together and sold for a couple of
hundred. Is the CPU that expensive, Bill? BTW, if you send a copy of
the product to just about any magazine, they will revue it. At least
if the product is of any worth at all...
Also, your scanner FAQ was little more than blatant advertising. I am
not going to promote your business by discussing exactly what parts,
either, so don't even ask.
Please take your little flame wars to e-mail, Bill. This is not the
place for it.
----------------------------------------------
Principles aren't of much account anyway, except at election time.
After that you hang them up to let them season.
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Bill Cheek wrote:
> sca...@aol.com (SCANNUT) wrote:
> > Love him or hate him, you have to admit that when Cheek shows up things
> > get interesting.
That's because Bill/Butt Cheeks is such as outragous asshole.
> Seems every lowlife that can't make it on his own or stand on his own
> two damn feet wants a go at me for a free ride to the stars. It gets
> on their nerves when I extract a tax for being clingberries......
Yea, that sounds like Bill/Butt Cheeks.
> > I begrudge no one the opportunity to make money in this
> > hobby. If the product sucks, it won't sell. Obviously Cheek's books
> > continue to sell because he keeps coming out with them.
Sad but true. He schrewed up a nice Fidonet echo, I wonder what's next,
rec.radio.scanner?
> And I don't do it for my health, either. I got publishers yanking on
> me from one side and hackers on the other. About every couple of
> years, I just have to give in and crank out another one......or get
> the snot beat out of me by both sides.... :-)
I'll bet there are plenty of volunteers for that. WHere can I sign up??
> Funny thing is, though, I come on here to drop off an informational
> and educational FAQ a few days ago, and wingnuts, Hubey Duffster and
> Petey J. PoopBreath got the urge to have a go at me.
Funny how you have that affect on SO MANY people, isn't it?
> The REAL funny thing is that I kicked ol' Duffster's ass off the
> FidoNet SCANRADIO forum about six months ago for acting like an
> asshole. So he frogs onto this public anarchist forum to drop his
> britches, pee and poop all over the place so the world know just what
> happened to him and what a jerk I am for having the audacity to give
hahahhahahahahahahahaha, shit Bill you kicked EVERYONE off who you saw as
any kind of a threat to you or wouldn't kiss your ass. You would carry on
& be extremely condesending & make up stories to their sysop & whine. THen
you would tell them if they want to respond to do so via netmail & when
they did that you would tell the sysop they were harassing you. Get the
fuck out of here with your lies Bill.
> 'im the boot. Hell, I kicked his ass so hard, me and HIM had to go to
> the hospital on three legs to get my foot surgically removed from his
> grumpstump. He's still a little "sore"....if you know what I mean.
> <wink - wink - nudge - nudge>
I wonder what the Fidonet administrators would think of you bragging about
kicking people off like you are now?
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Rich Carlson wrote:
>
> Do any of your books cover mods to ham radio gear?
> --
> Rich Carlson, N9JIG (n9...@TheRamp.Net)
NO.
an...@qni.com
>So what's the deal with this CE-232, anyway? It sounds like about six
>bucks worth of parts soldered together and sold for a couple of
>hundred. Is the CPU that expensive, Bill? BTW, if you send a copy of
>the product to just about any magazine, they will revue it. At least
>if the product is of any worth at all...
>
>Also, your scanner FAQ was little more than blatant advertising. I am
>not going to promote your business by discussing exactly what parts,
>either, so don't even ask.
>
>Please take your little flame wars to e-mail, Bill. This is not the
>place for it.
>----------------------------------------------
>Principles aren't of much account anyway, except at election time.
>After that you hang them up to let them season.
>Mark Twain (1835-1910)
The CE-232 is a LOT of parts to be soldered together, and yes, the CPU is
expensive, but it isn't the majority of the cost involved.
I have the CE-232 and it runs several (3) scanners...one at a time as
described in his techical information. The interface is very powerful and
agile. It will do many things the OPTO versions won't, just as the OPTO
versions do much the CE-232 won't do. It just depends on your
wants/needs. I suggest the OPTO for those that have very little hacking
experience...the CE-232 for those that like to dive in and get personal
with their equipment. (I have a friend that has the OPTO 456, so I am
familiar with it.)
As for the arguments on rec.radio.scanner, I agree. Few people enjoy the
rocks these people throw at each other.
Andy
"Never pet a burning dog." ---Benedict Spinoza, 1975
Bill Cheek
PAUL B <pa...@g0tts.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi bill i was probing about yesterday before i got your message i found
>what i thought to be the discriminator on the mc-3361n pin 9 and your
>quite correct so you can add the ar2500 to your list of discriminator
>mods ! The decoder interface works a treat now , many thanks bill....
CKT RF-in SCAN AUDIO
SCANNER NFM CHIP TYPE SYMBOL Pin Pin BASEBAND
=============== =============== ======= ===== ===== =========
AR-2500 MC-3361N IC-xxx 16 13 9
Ok, great! But the list needs one more thing....the circuit symbol as
xxx'd out above. Do you recall seeing it labeled on the printed
circuit board? And if you can, put a voltmeter on Pin 13 and see if
the pin goes high and low with squelch breaks.
Thanks,
-= Bill =-
PAUL B
>
> CKT RF-in SCAN AUDIO
>SCANNER NFM CHIP TYPE SYMBOL Pin Pin BASEBAND
>=============== =============== ======= ===== ===== =========
>AR-2002 MC-3357P IC-4 16 13 9
>AR-3000 MC-3357P ? 16 13 9
>AR-800 MC-3361N IC-200 16 13 9
>AR-900 MC-3361N IC-201 16 13 9
>AR-950 MC-3361N IC-201 16 13 9
>
>-= Bill Cheek =-
>
>
what i thought to be the discriminator on the mc-3361n pin 9 and your
quite correct so you can add the ar2500 to your list of discriminator
mods ! The decoder interface works a treat now , many thanks bill....
--
PAUL B
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Bill Cheek
"John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> wrote:
>Bill Cheeks is an asshole. You have to have dealt with him to truly
>understande his problems.
Talk about assholes, I notice that you use a FAKE return e-mail
address. You must be a very credible, upstanding example of a human
being and Amateur Radio Operator. Guess we need to be getting in
touch with your Postmaster, eh John?
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Bill Cheek
rim...@awwwsome.com (Garry Hobart) wrote:
>So what's the deal with this CE-232, anyway? It sounds like about six
>bucks worth of parts soldered together and sold for a couple of
>hundred. Is the CPU that expensive, Bill?
Yes. As is the socket, the RS-232 chip, the handful of other chips,
not to mention the electrolytic capacitors and the printed circuit
board. Then there is the 100-page Manual. There are a good dozen
other costs to add in, but the picture is not as you liberally paint
it.
> BTW, if you send a copy of
> the product to just about any magazine, they will revue it. At least
> if the product is of any worth at all...
THAT is patently untrue. Much depends on if you advertise with them.
>Also, your scanner FAQ was little more than blatant advertising. I am
>not going to promote your business by discussing exactly what parts,
>either, so don't even ask.
Then don't levy the claims that you can't back up.
>Please take your little flame wars to e-mail, Bill. This is not the
>place for it.
Gosh, that WOULD be nice. Like, it would have been nice for you to
e-mail me instead of posting in public. But you chose the public
forum, so that is where my reply is. THAT is ALWAYS the case. As
soon as Misters Duff, Boe, Alexander, et al, wish to take it to
e-mail, then that's where it will be.
They fired the opening shots, fella, so it's up to THEM as to where
the action will be. Like....now....YOU -=chose=- this forum. You
COULD have practiced your preachments and chose e-mail, but you
didn't. And THAT is one glaring fact, doode.
-= Bill Cheek =-
Bill Cheek
Doug Hutton <Doug....@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Thanks, Bill for your answer on the AR8000. I can't understand all this
>dark brown stuff people are saying about you. You've always been straight
>with me.
I am in the unique position of mostly being in the response mode. So
when people treat me decently, they get treated equal or better in
return.
When they come out shooting, then they get shot back at, equal or
worse in return.
Frankly, I don't see where I'm all that different from the casual
"joe" who leaves people the hell alone until he's attacked or hugged,
depending.
You've been a straight shooter, too. One of you makes up for a dozen
of the other kind.
-= Bill =-
Bill Cheek
"John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> wrote, using a FALSE
reply e-mail address:
>hahahhahahahahahahahaha, shit Bill you kicked EVERYONE off who you saw as
>any kind of a threat to you
And you lie like a rug. I evicted YOU, Hugh Duff, and less than a
dozen like you two malcontents. There are many more straight shooters
left, who make the forum a pleasant, educational, informative place.
The very facts that YOU were one who got his patooty kicked off the
SCANRADIO forum as well as now you use a FALSE reply address in your
message header....sort of tells the tale about you, Mackie-Baby.
> Get the fuck out of here with your lies Bill.
Best be practicing what we preach, Mackie-Baby.....
>I wonder what the Fidonet administrators would think of you bragging about
>kicking people off like you are now?
Now? All that happened months ago. The SCANRADIO forum is a very
nice place now.
But why don't you find out the hard way?
-= Bill Cheek =-
Bill Cheek
Len Revelle <len...@wwa.com> wrote:
>-- Why don't both of you call it a day and take the dribble elsewhere.
That isn't exactly my call. Those who launch the attack are obliged
to call it off or finish the job they started.
Mackey got himself booted from the Fido SCANRADIO forum for the kind
of behavior you're seeing here.
Furthermore, please take note of the FALSE reply-to address that he's
using here. It isn't possible to e-mail to him.
'Nuff said?
-= Bill =-
Doug Hutton
Thanks, Bill for your answer on the AR8000. I can't understand all this
dark brown stuff people are saying about you. You've always been straight
with me.
Hang in there -
Doug
Joseph W. Mann
John Mackey, KA0SSF wrote:
>
> > Please don't spoil it by dragging your FIDO-boss attitude back here.
> > > Go enjoy your dictatorship world with the rest of your FIDO followers and
> > > leave well enough alone.
>
> > > Hugh Duff VA3TO Toronto
>
> > Except when it comes to Bill Cheek. Shut your mouth or go play with your self.
> > Joseph
>
> You better back off, Joseph. He is right about Bill Cheeks. If you have EVER
> dealt with Cheeks on FIdonet, he is an ASSHOLE.
Don't ever make threats. This crap started long ago. Now a few assholes start the mud slinging.
Let's take a look at past events.
1.) a reader posted a question about computer scanning.
2.) a few other readers responded.
3.) Bill posted a technical artical about the CE-232, yes there was some information about where to get
information, nothing wrong with plugging a product. This is America, not Russia.
4.) Out of the woodwork come PjB, Hugh, and now some asshole threating me to back off. None of these
people with the exception of attempt to make any attempt at providing any input to the newsgroup
but to flame Bill Cheek and to go as far as to flame any person who corresponds or disagrees
with their view.
5.) Now I have threats placed against me. I do not take them lightly and steps have been taken to stop
John. There are protections in place for people who do this. I have been through this before
and when I or my family is threated I will take action.
Joseph W. Mann
John Mackey, KA0SSF wrote:
> Actually, there were rarely any flame wars or problems untill Bill Cheek
> became the moderator. THEN, the problems started. Gee, Bill, maybe your
> memory is bad. If you want I could e-mail you the messages I saved of
> people telling you to STOP trying fix problems that weren't on there on
> the echo. Face it Bill, you were just trying to get rid of ANYONE who
> didn't think or act EXACTLY like you because you saw them as a threat. Do
> you remember how many people asked you to put the moderatorship up to
> a vote??? You refused, due to the policies of Fidonet, you were able to.
John you are totally wrong. At the time the war started, Bill was not the moderator. Ken Storm I think
was the Moderator. But, he vanished. Then Andy Moss came on the scene and all hell broke out. I can't
ever remember seeing you on the echos at the time. So you must be getting your missinformation from
the other cronies or you are reading the crap the PjB likes to put out. He would make a great writer
for the Reich, he is great at taking quotes out of context, lieing, and just general bullshit. Maybe, you
should just go back to where you belong and stop the threats.
> No Bill, the forum nearly sank because there was such little traffic on
> it AFTER you became moderator that if you hadn't called in your little
> buddies to help out & create traffic that it would have gotten kicked off
> the backbone.
I would like to know where this notion of 'Bill's buddies' kept the echo alive. Wake up and smell the
Prozac.
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
> But we feel the CE-232 is a very competitive product, and that it does
Who is "WE" ? You and your engineering team (yourself) and your
enterage of board stuffers (yourself) !
Grasp reality !
Hugh Duff VA3TO Toronto
---
ş NFX v1.3 [000]
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Joseph W. Mann wrote:
> John you are totally wrong. At the time the war started, Bill was not the moderator. Ken Storm I think
> was the Moderator. But, he vanished. Then Andy Moss came on the scene and all hell broke out. I can't
> ever remember seeing you on the echos at the time. So you must be getting your missinformation from
> the other cronies or you are reading the crap the PjB likes to put out. He would make a great writer
> for the Reich, he is great at taking quotes out of context, lieing, and just general bullshit. Maybe, you
> should just go back to where you belong and stop the threats.
Joseph - USE MARGINS OR LINE ENDS!!!!
I am sorry if you don't remember me being on the Scanradio echo. I kept a low key
profile most of the time. I don't remember you either. You are partially correct.
Ken Storm was the Moderator, then he left the echo with out a word or any trace of
what happened to him (he did the same to the CB echo which led to me becoming
asst moderator). I was there & saw it all. When the dust settled from Ken
leaving, Bill Cheeks became the moderator. For a while he was kicking out
a person about every other day. I was one of them. Obviously I must not have
been much of a bad guy or you would remember me. Bill kicked out anyone who was
a threat or didn't kiss his ass like he thought it should be. Perhaps you should
go back to where you belong (kissing Bill's ass or sucking him off) untill you
get your facts straight.
> I would like to know where this notion of 'Bill's buddies' kept the echo alive. Wake up and smell the
> Prozac.
Really? Then how the hell did Roger Cravens end up back on the echo?? THere were
other "Bill's Butt Buddies" too, like Blake & others. You better go. I think
the lack of oxygen from having your nose Bill's ass has schrewed up your
thoughts & memories.
We can't all be wrong & you & "Bill's Butt Buddies" are right.
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
> "John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> wrote:
>
> >Bill Cheeks is an asshole. You have to have dealt with him to truly
> >understande his problems.
>
> middle name. Sorry, can't help it.
>
> You COULD have helped getting your ass kicked off the FidoNet, though.
> You dropped your britches and showed your butt there just as you are
> doing here.
>
> <shrug>
>
>
Funny how the ranks of Bill Cheek "offendees" are showing up.
One only need conclude that YOU, Bill Cheek are the common thread to
these flames.
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
>
HD> >"Here's what I can tell you about and here's how you
HD> >can get in touch with me to find out how to find out more..."
BC> Yeah? I cut those parts out. I've been sending out that FAQ for six
BC> months now, and you are the first to snivel about it. But you pop off
BC> over anything I post. <shrug>
If you've been sending that FAQ Ad out for the past 6 months its been
over on FIDO where most are too afraid to speak their mind about the
twisting of the rules by YOU in fear of being removed...I certainly haven't
seen it here otherwise you would have heard from me sooner !
HD> >No anarchy over here until YOU showed up Bill.
HD> > Don't believe it began when you extracted
HD> >me from FIDO in a Dictatorship style...
BC> Nooooooo, DuffieBaby, not dictatorship style. You BROKE THE RULES and
BC> got evicted by an *authoritarian* style.
HD> > the animosity started well before
HD> > that. The FIDO release only reinforced my realization of how much an
HD> > arrogant-pompus person you are.
BC> <Yawn> Your duff, Duff, still smarts from that Size #13EE that I
BC> placed on it, crosswise....... You just can't stand it.
BC> <giggle>
Ya Bill, your cool ! You gave me the electronic boot across my modem !
BC> That's going to stick in your craw until the cows come home, ain't it?
BC> <snicker>
BC> <cackle>
BC> <horselaugh>
BC> -= Your Maker and Master =-
Yup...you always have and always will be a looser. When are you going
to grow up ?
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
Its apparent by the major dance you're doing that the answer is clear
by now but just to have YOU answer the question...here it is again.
Typos corrected: YES or NO ? Do you hold a University engineer degree ?
No more dancing.
BC> There is no YES or NO, up to this point. You're playing games, Hubie,
BC> and so you will have to articulate the question excruciatingly perfect
BC> before I give you the YES or NO for which you're fishing. You asked a
BC> stupid question with obvious traps built into it. Sooooo, rephrase
BC> the question technically and grammatically correct, and I will answer
BC> it. Otherwise, you will have to be content to accept my experience,
BC> track record, professional memberships and peer/trade acceptance.
blah blah blah
No games here Bill...
Spare the membership/ acceptance garb.
Do you hold a University enineering degree ?
HD> >By the way, if you're so qualified and competent why did you have
HD> >someone else design and write the firmware for the CE-232 scanner
HD> >interface ? Why are you not able to tackle such a project on your own
HD> >Mr."Engineer" ? (You already told me it was someone else.)
BC> I told you several months ago when you LAST asked that stupid
BC> question, too. Are you so brain-dead that you can't remember? Geezus,
BC> Hubie, get your gourd defragged or something. I told you several
BC> times, direct and in general to the public, that about all I know of
BC> programming is that it comes on radio and TV. And I don't watch much
BC> TV or listen to broadcast radio.
blah blah blah
BC> Firmware is software, Hubie, and I don't wear a propeller on my ball
BC> cap. If I tackled software issues, then I'd have to let hardware
BC> issues lapse. So I hire help when I need it. Now please write that
BC> down and don't ask me that again.
So you can't program AND design hardware...shame.
Hahaha...hire help ? Hardware only ! From what I remember your
involvement with the original interface was limited to conceptual input
only ! Firmware (software) aside, tell us that it was YOU who designed
the original interface hardware.
HD> >it's because of the
HD> >arrogant, condescending and verbally abusive dialog I have witnessed
HD> >during past messaging with you...you sure rubbed ME the wrong way.
BC> Guess what? I am going to stick in your gullet even more, then.
Then put up or shut up...there's no squelching me here like you
do to those who don't kiss your 'cheeks' in true dictatorship style
like it is over on FIDO.
Speaking of FIDO...maybe it IS time, as someone else suggested that
the administrators of FIDO wintness and re-evaluate the dictatorship
behaviour and childish antics of a person who is supposed to be a
responsible moderator. You certainly don't fit the 'Bill'.
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
> >HD> >Sounds good Willy ! Can I drag along the wife and kid ?
>
> >BC> Sure, so long as you don't mind the possibility of raising someone
> >BC> else's kid about 3/4ths of a year later.
>
HD> >Hahaha ! Deflate that fat head or yours Billy....my wife wouldn't
HD> >touch you with a thirty-eight and a half foot pole...in fact she
HD> >wouldn't give you the time of day.
BC> Wanna bet?
Sure !
Like I said...she wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
She wouldn't get past your looks to bother getting to know that you're
an undesireable ego tripper in the world of Hobby Radio Scanning,
(like she'd really care).
> >HD> It was "acting like an asshole". And there will be no apology just as
> >HD> there will be no "you coming back". You're dead meat, Duffy-Baby.
>
HD> >Do you know what SATIRE is Billy ? Remember when you told me...
HD> >"I'll consider letting you back on FIDO if you issue an apology..." ?
BC> That was then. I changed my mind. After seeing how you START trouble
BC> here, I wouldn't let you back in on a stack of green cash.
Oooh ! My loss indeed ! My interest in your GESTAPO CAMP at this point
is limited to watching the poor technically hungry folk and spineless
individuals kiss your 'cheeks' and watching you tell the good people
how wonderful you are.
If you want to classify standing up to the BC BS as being a trouble
maker then I is one :) ( <---Grammar intentionally fornicated.)
HD> > I'm still there on occasion just to watch you make a fool
HD> > of yourself and have been since I was expelled under my real name !
BC> You'll need to use an assumed name, and you'll wind up getting your
BC> SysOp booted if you're not careful.
Hahaha.,..I knew that one would irritate you.
You wouldn't know who I was now would you !? I've been a spectator of
the Billy-and-his-puppets-show ever since I lost access under my real
name.
Duhh...C'mon Billy, I wouldn't be so stupid as to jeopardize my SYSOP's
FIDO link by announcing my presence on ScanRadio like the town crier.
It's just entertaining to watch from a distance so to speak and thats
my only interest in it now.
HD> >Oh well...Let the anarchy begin !
HD> >Since the FIDO Scanradio echo is saturated hence you feel the need to
HD> >poison this domain then its Put up or Shut up !
BC> You started it anew, Duffster. I sure didn't come on here looking for
BC> you and your goodbuddy..........
NO Billy...YOU started it with your attitude back on FIDO and I never
got the chance to democratically support my views. What IS funny is
that you continued the thread long after my leave...
The "Conflict of Interest" discussion of which had everything to do
with my leave continued for some time thereafter.
Funny how the "Zero Tolerance" rule applied to some and not others.
I guess it depends on how hard the hit is eh Bill !?
You took a the discussion too personally and decided to use your power
as moderator to simply evaporate the source like a true DICTATOR.
HD> > This newsgroup is NEVER in a state of Anarchy until YOU show up.
HD> > Why is that ?
BC> Easy. You won't give it a rest. I posted a FAQ. You just had to
BC> show your butt. You could have kept your peace.....but you didn't.
BC> All because you have a sore patooty..... <poor Hubey>
Can you blame a man for wanting to have his say ?
No democracy on ScanRadio... The podium was closed for business
when you decided the topic of discussion was going to affect YOUR
wallet. It WAS on topic and had everything to do with bending
and breaking of the FIDO rules to suit you after you took over.
Anyhow, it is quite evident that the ONLY flames be it here or
on FIDO are between YOU and one of many other people.
The common denominator is YOU !
Attitude/BC = Trouble
Len Revelle
> & be extremely condesending & make up stories to their sysop & whine. THen
> you would tell them if they want to respond to do so via netmail & when
> fuck out of here with your lies Bill.
>
> > the hospital on three legs to get my foot surgically removed from his
> > grumpstump. He's still a little "sore"....if you know what I mean.
> > <wink - wink - nudge - nudge>
>
> kicking people off like you are now?
-- From what I've seen of this thread, John, you opened the first
volley. This isn't the place to take your personal battle with Cheek.
His responses appear as juvenile as your posts so I guess you are evenly
matched.
-- Cheek Wars on this newsgroup are getting as regular as the Good Times
virus posts elsewhere.
-- Why don't both of you call it a day and take the dribble elsewhere.
********************************
| Len Revelle len...@wwa.com |
| Illinois CIS 72607,1320 |
| KE9YR AMA 60055 |
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Dr Pepper
"John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> wrote:
>NO.
I BEG your pardon?
de Ron WB6GKI
Dr Pepper
10 - 2 - 4
Rich Carlson
Well, I have several of Cheek's books about scanner mods, and I find them
informative and interesting. Granted, he can be a little crass and
bombastic, but no one else has come close to his work in the Scanner Mod
segment of the hobby.
I try to avoid these flame wars that seem to erupt whenever Cheek, Moss, or
some others post anything. I wasn't around during the Fido Wars, but
read more than I wanted to know about them. I just wish these guys would
knock off the flames. I don't know or care who started them, or who said
what to whom, I just want to read about scanners, radios and frequencies.
In article <31F1E0...@present.com>, "John Mackey, KA0SSF"
<Here...@present.com> wrote:
** Rich Carlson wrote:
** >
** > Do any of your books cover mods to ham radio gear?
** > --
** > Rich Carlson, N9JIG (n9...@TheRamp.Net)
**
**
** NO.
**
** Most hams are smart enough to see thru Bill Cheeks games so he is not well
** received in most ham circles.
--
Rich Carlson, N9JIG (n9...@TheRamp.Net)
ScannerMaster Illinois Communications Guide (800) 722-6701
CARMA (Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association) BBS (708) 852-1292
PO Box 2681, Glenview IL 60025 SASE for sample newsletter.
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Bill Cheek wrote:
> jmc...@mail.orion.org (Jack McGee) wrote:
> >Hugh, I quit reading SCANRADIO on my own. The bullshit and flame
> >level was way to high for my taste. I dumped several frequency lists
> >into it, so it's not like I was a freeloader, either. Good nuggets
> >every so often to be sure,
> You ought to come back and check it out now. I got rid of all the
> lids, twits, nitwits, nincompoops, and sickos. SCANRADIO has become a
> free forum where everyone is free to talk scanners and scanning. Not
> a bad place anymore.
Actually, there were rarely any flame wars or problems untill Bill Cheek
became the moderator. THEN, the problems started. Gee, Bill, maybe your
memory is bad. If you want I could e-mail you the messages I saved of
people telling you to STOP trying fix problems that weren't on there on
the echo. Face it Bill, you were just trying to get rid of ANYONE who
didn't think or act EXACTLY like you because you saw them as a threat. Do
you remember how many people asked you to put the moderatorship up to
a vote??? You refused, due to the policies of Fidonet, you were able to.
> Well, yeah, but that was due to the likes of ol' Hewbie Duffster and
> cronies who had the idea of sinking the whole forum. Once they got
> the boot, things settled down and the forum has become civil and
> friendly, not to mention educational and informational.
No Bill, the forum nearly sank because there was such little traffic on
it AFTER you became moderator that if you hadn't called in your little
buddies to help out & create traffic that it would have gotten kicked off
the backbone.
I STILL don't see anywhere near the amount of traffic on that echo that there
used to be before Butt Cheeks became the moderator.
Why can't you stop Lying Bill?
I suppose now you are going to complain to my sysop again. That shows how little
of a man you are.
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
> > Please don't spoil it by dragging your FIDO-boss attitude back here.
> > > Go enjoy your dictatorship world with the rest of your FIDO followers and
> > > leave well enough alone.
>
> > > Hugh Duff VA3TO Toronto
>
>
> > > þ NFX v1.3 [000]Your response was totally uncalled for. Shut your mouth
> > Except when it comes to Bill Cheek. Shut your mouth or go play with your s
>
>
> You better back off, Joseph. He is right about Bill Cheeks. If you have EVE
|
|
Calling a spade a spade.. ---------------
Ask yourself Joseph...why is Bill Cheek the common denominator to all
of the trouble !
I'm sorry for offending you with this BS but the truth must be told.
If you don't care to read thru it anymore simply skip any posts from
Cheek or myself.
Hugh Duff VA3TO Toronto
---
þ NFX v1.3 [000]
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
> "John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> flatulated:
>
> > Most hams are smart enough to see thru Bill Cheeks games so he is not well
>
>
> I taught ham classes for years. Not only that, but I probably guided
> a hundred or more people from all walks of Life into Amateur Radio. I
> am rather well received in the *better* ham circles with whom I care
> to associate.
>
> We all know,however, that there are low-life ham circles, just like
> there are low life's everywhere else.
>
> Well........take YOU fer instance......here in this otherwise
> honorable forum. You couldn't behave yourself on the SCANRADIO forum
> just like you can't behave yourself here.
>
> Your record speaks for itself..............
>
> -= Bill Cheek =-
>
YOU taught ham classes ? A person who has been banned by the FCC
from obtaining an Amateur Radio licence !!!
I find that mightly humorous...a NON-Ham teaching Ham classes !
<giggle !>
How about putting you money where your mouth is and PROVING this one
Billy ??? How about a list of succesful students that passed whom
we can contact ???
Boy, now the stories are really starting to fly !
Hugh Duff VA3TO Toronto
---
ş NFX v1.3 [000]
James F. Boehner, MD
> Well, AOR is utterly terrible when it comes to technical
> documentation, and I haven't seen a schematic on the AR-8000 to be
> able to tell for sure. I'm not sure one even exists. I've asked a
> number of people for a copy, but no one knows if and where a Service
> Manual is available. That's what I'd need.
> Bill
Try EDCO:
That's where I got mine!
'73 de JIM N2ZZ
PjB
> <hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>
> >HD> >Sounds good Willy ! Can I drag along the wife and kid ?
>
> >BC> Sure, so long as you don't mind the possibility of raising someone
> >BC> else's kid about 3/4ths of a year later.
>
> >Hahaha ! Deflate that fat head or yours Billy....my wife wouldn't
> >touch you with a thirty-eight and a half foot pole...in fact she
> >wouldn't give you the time of day.
>
bch...@cts.com (Bill Cheek) wrote:
> Wanna bet?
Yeah, I'll take some of that one. Ever check out Geeks picture? He bears a
striking resemblance to Richard Simmons. (Hmmm....I wonder if that helps
to explain his anal fixations....)
PjB
In article <31F1DD...@present.com>, "John Mackey, KA0SSF"
<Here...@present.com> wrote:
> hahahhahahahahahahahaha, shit Bill you kicked EVERYONE off who you saw as
> any kind of a threat to you or wouldn't kiss your ass. You would carry on
> & be extremely condesending & make up stories to their sysop & whine. THen
> you would tell them if they want to respond to do so via netmail & when
> they did that you would tell the sysop they were harassing you. Get the
> fuck out of here with your lies Bill.
Its true. Bill Cheek is a shameless liar. I have ample proof. He once
thought I was sending him sexually oriented email from an AOL account. He
tried to tell everyone that AOL actually informed him the name and address
of one of their customers!! Can you believe it?
I've still got the letter if anyone wants to see it.
Bill Cheek
"John Mackey, KA0SSF" <Here...@present.com> wrote:
>Bill Cheeks is an asshole.
Since you persist..... let's take a look at Portland, Oregon's
collection of Adam Henries:
Mackey, John E Sr...Portland, OR 97201
Phone: (503)64x-xxxx
Mackey, John Jr...Portland, OR 97201
Phone: (503)62x-xxxx
I left out the gory details this ONE time, out of respect for the BIG
picture. I have no desire to persist in a nasty argument with you for
which there is no resolution. But if it is not possible to deal with
you in private, then we'll use US Mail or telephone.
Ring any bells? Since you insist on using a FAKE reply-to address
where you can't be contacted by e-mail, would yours or your Dad's
address and/or telephone numbers serve just as well?
You let me know, Mr. Mackey, if you wish to persist with this silly
vendetta in public. Two can play. If you would like to go private,
that will be fine, too. You choose.
Understand?
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>...why is Bill Cheek the common denominator to all of the trouble !
WHAT trouble? The ONLY trouble is the trouble YOU are making. I
didn't come on here attacking and prodding anyone. I am no more of a
common denominator than you are, Ignats. I don't CAUSE anyone ANY
trouble. Not one little iota. Not ever.
I'm just regular ol' me. I don't bother a soul until I'm bothered
first....and even then, I usually give it a chance.
You're causing the trouble, Duff. You and your goodbuddy, Mackey.
Why don't you just STOP?
How about you putting a finger on any trouble I've caused. You can't.
-= Bill Cheek =-
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>BC> Yeah? I cut those parts out. I've been sending out that FAQ for six
>BC> months now, and you are the first to snivel about it. But you pop off
>BC> over anything I post. <shrug>
>If you've been sending that FAQ Ad out for the past 6 months its been
>over on FIDO where most are too afraid to speak their mind about the
>twisting of the rules by YOU in fear of being removed...I certainly haven't
>seen it here otherwise you would have heard from me sooner !
Guess I better post it again so you can tell me exactly WHAT is wrong
with it. You keep sniveling and whining, but you don't deal with
WHAT. Of course, you're on a "mission", huh? Why don't you cut to
the chase and spell it all out?
>BC> <Yawn> Your duff, Duff, still smarts from that Size #13EE that I
>BC> placed on it, crosswise....... You just can't stand it. <giggle>
>Ya Bill, your cool ! You gave me the electronic boot across my modem !
Yes, and that just gnaws on you to where you can't stand it.
>BC> That's going to stick in your craw until the cows come home, ain't it?
>BC> <snicker> <cackle> <horselaugh>
>Yup...you always have and always will be a looser.
Looser? English problems again? You mean, "loser"? Ummmmm, ok, tell
me what I have lost? Your "good will"? ha ha ha ha ha ha.......
> When are you going to grow up ?
In what fashion? You mean just sit around and take your guff, Duff?
Get real, Duff. You're the one on a mission. You came to me. This
time. Last time. And the time before. You ALWAYS come to me. I
don't go to YOU........another thing that just sticks in your craw.
Stop coming to me. Ignore me. Leave well enough alone. Attend to
your own growth needs. Surf your own wave. Ride your own star.
Write your own books. Do your own thing. Don't worry about me. You
DO that, and I'll "grow" up.
Howzzat?
Bill Cheek
n9...@TheRamp.net (Rich Carlson) wrote:
>I try to avoid these flame wars that seem to erupt whenever Cheek, Moss, or
>some others post anything. I wasn't around during the Fido Wars, but
>read more than I wanted to know about them. I just wish these guys would
>knock off the flames. I don't know or care who started them, or who said
>what to whom, I just want to read about scanners, radios and frequencies.
You need to care about HOW things get started, if not by whom.
Mainly, if something doesn't get started, then it doesn't exist.
Things like this are like fires. They'll burn themselves out after a
while, once the fuel is gone. But more often than not, it's better to
respond and put out the fire.
I wonder how long you'd sit for it, if a troupe of snotballs waltzed
in on you. It's pretty easy to render all kinds of judgments sitting
out in the bleachers.
Pretty much right up front and on the table, though, is the BIG
question of WHY there aren't more authors, engineers, technicians,
publishers, and business people participating in these forums? Ever
wonder about that?
The answer is universal. I've seen it happen in many places with many
different prominent people......they come into a public forum, and a
troupe of sickos jumps all over them. It doesn't take long before the
good guys are gone......leaving the mess to the snotballs.
I'm a little different. I was born in the kitchen and can stand the
heat as well as serve some up. But the brass tacks facts are simple.
Hugh Duff, John Mackey, Michael Alexander, and Peter J. Boe started
this round and won't give it a rest. It's real simple. They want me
gone. I threaten their security, I guess.
It ain't a matter of ignoring them. They won't stop.
Before you wrap it all up into a shut and closed case from up there in
the bleachers, step out onto the playing field and get a different
perspective. Analyze the facts. There are several very important
ones. Duff and Mackey got booted from a moderated forum and have an
axe to grind. But do they have anything to contribute? Never.
Boe is a schizo-freakazoid-weenie who jumped on the wrong side from
the git-go. Alexander ain't much better, but he has his own irons in
the fire that he may feel I threaten. Check the threads and see for
yourself......though its mostly Duff and Mackey who are fanning the
flames for this go-around. Boe seems to have stuffed a sock in it,
and Alexander may be thinking things over after failing to practice
his preachments. But Duff and Mackey.....now those two popinjays are
on a mission. Duff even admitted it.
So now what? Should I let them run me off? At least step out onto
the playing field before deciding.
-= Bill =-
PjB
> Mackey got himself booted from the Fido SCANRADIO forum for the kind
> of behavior you're seeing here.
>
> Furthermore, please take note of the FALSE reply-to address that he's
> using here. It isn't possible to e-mail to him.
>
> 'Nuff said?
Its just as well. A while back I was getting truly threatening email from
Cheek. He would tell me to watch my back because interesting things would
be happening right around the corner, and if I didnt stop posting to this
group he would take "action that would leave me in a pile as helpless as
his dirty shorts". If anyone wants a copy of these amusing ditties drop
me a line.
Michael Alexander
In article <31F2D9...@concentric.net>, "Joseph W. Mann"
<jwm...@concentric.net> wrote:
>John Mackey, KA0SSF wrote:
>
[stuff cut]
>
>John you are totally wrong. At the time the war started, Bill was not
the moderator. Ken Storm I think
>was the Moderator. But, he vanished. Then Andy Moss came on the scene
and all hell broke out. I can't
>ever remember seeing you on the echos at the time. So you must be
getting your missinformation from
>the other cronies or you are reading the crap the PjB likes to put out.
He would make a great writer
>for the Reich, he is great at taking quotes out of context, lieing, and
just general bullshit. Maybe, you
>should just go back to where you belong and stop the threats.
[stuff cut]
>I would like to know where this notion of 'Bill's buddies' kept the echo
alive. Wake up and smell the
>Prozac.
Until Cheek posted his "FAQ" and a lengthy press release here no one one
was shooting flames or taking pot shots at each other like they are now.
You've just finished called PjB a liar and suggesting that he is some kind
of Nazi propagandist. Mind telling us why you feel it was necessary to
take a cheap shot at someone who has never said anything in this forum to
you?
--
Michael Alexander
mic...@alexander.terranet.com
ma...@kersur.net
Joseph W. Mann
Michael Alexander wrote:
>
> In article <31F2D9...@concentric.net>, "Joseph W. Mann"
> <jwm...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >John Mackey, KA0SSF wrote:
> >
> [stuff cut]
> Until Cheek posted his "FAQ" and a lengthy press release here no one one
> was shooting flames or taking pot shots at each other like they are now.
> You've just finished called PjB a liar and suggesting that he is some kind
> of Nazi propagandist. Mind telling us why you feel it was necessary to
> take a cheap shot at someone who has never said anything in this forum to
> you?
>
Let's see, Bill Cheek post's a FAQ. That gives PjB, Hugh, and now John a
right to take shot, flame and all out lie. Plus anybody who has received any good info from
him and makes a statement in that effect is called a cronie, butt buddie, culprit and various
other words that John, PjB,a nd Hugh have proclamed. And yes PjB has said many things to me.
So, Yes Bill posted a FAQ, like it has been said. All was quite until Bill posted his
FAQ. Then the bugs crawled out of the woodwork.
WHO STARTED THIS. Not Bill!
I Have no problems with You. But kids I do.
I do not like being threated and I take it seriously. John has made threats and actions are being
taken to stop that threat now.
Michael Alexander
>n9...@TheRamp.net (Rich Carlson) wrote:
>
>>I try to avoid these flame wars that seem to erupt whenever Cheek, Moss, or
>>some others post anything. I wasn't around during the Fido Wars, but
>>read more than I wanted to know about them. I just wish these guys would
>>knock off the flames. I don't know or care who started them, or who said
>>what to whom, I just want to read about scanners, radios and frequencies.
>
>You need to care about HOW things get started, if not by whom.
>Mainly, if something doesn't get started, then it doesn't exist.
>Things like this are like fires. They'll burn themselves out after a
>while, once the fuel is gone. But more often than not, it's better to
>respond and put out the fire.
Geez, that's really deep. Man where do you get this vision thing anyway?
You ought to try sobriety once and a while. It does wonders for your
perspective.
Hey, Bill here's a simple two-plus-two concept that even a wacko like you
can understand: When Cheek is crawled under his little rock, all is quiet.
When Cheek slithers out, with supposedly useful information disguised as
advertising for his interface and other products, shit happens. You get
the correlation?
>
>I wonder how long you'd sit for it, if a troupe of snotballs waltzed
>in on you. It's pretty easy to render all kinds of judgments sitting
>out in the bleachers.
Well, Lord knows that you're sitting in the bleaches tossing crap out on
to the field. You wouldn't say half the crap you spew out to someone's
face because they would kcik your scrawny ass up and down the street.
>
>Pretty much right up front and on the table, though, is the BIG
>question of WHY there aren't more authors, engineers, technicians,
>publishers, and business people participating in these forums? Ever
>wonder about that?
Ever wonder why authors etc. don't come into this forum and act the fool
like you do? You see the CEOs of Optoelectronics, Uniden, AOR, or Icom
talking about what they find in their underwear and using such
illustrative terminology as "weeny washer?"
>
>The answer is universal. I've seen it happen in many places with many
>different prominent people......they come into a public forum, and a
>troupe of sickos jumps all over them. It doesn't take long before the
>good guys are gone......leaving the mess to the snotballs.
Well, you're right. You're here and the a lot of folks are heading out the door.
>
>I'm a little different. I was born in the kitchen and can stand the
>heat as well as serve some up. But the brass tacks facts are simple.
>Hugh Duff, John Mackey, Michael Alexander, and Peter J. Boe started
>this round and won't give it a rest. It's real simple. They want me
>gone. I threaten their security, I guess.
>
>It ain't a matter of ignoring them. They won't stop.
Hmmm, we started this round? Oh, yeah, I forgot. I posted your
advertisment. I wrote that joke FAQ of yours. I called everyone "shit fer
brains," and told them to "eat my shorts." You are so delusional that you
are in serious need of counseling. Either that or you're a friggin' idiot.
Some times it's hard to tell the difference with you.
>
>Before you wrap it all up into a shut and closed case from up there in
>the bleachers, step out onto the playing field and get a different
>perspective. Analyze the facts. There are several very important
>ones. Duff and Mackey got booted from a moderated forum and have an
>axe to grind. But do they have anything to contribute? Never.
>
>Boe is a schizo-freakazoid-weenie who jumped on the wrong side from
>the git-go. Alexander ain't much better, but he has his own irons in
>the fire that he may feel I threaten. Check the threads and see for
>yourself......though its mostly Duff and Mackey who are fanning the
>flames for this go-around. Boe seems to have stuffed a sock in it,
>and Alexander may be thinking things over after failing to practice
>his preachments.
What preachments are those, big shot? What is it that I have said that you
have found objectionable? Did the fact that I questioned your posting your
lengthy press release set you off? Is that all it takes? You little piss
ant--you can dish it but you can't take it, eh?
>
>So now what? Should I let them run me off? At least step out onto
>the playing field before deciding.
>
Naw, Cheek. I'm not going any way. My initial thought was to keep quiet
and let you blather on about the things that you like to talk about
(mainly defecation and fecal matter). I kept my mouth shut until you
posted your press release. I asked if you believed that it was appropriate
and you responded, as you always do, with your trash talk.
Tell me Bluster Bill... Have you ever sold one of your famous CE232
interfaces? No one ever talks about it; no one ever says that COMMTronics
makes a fine product and offers superlative support. Why is that? It must
be because they are impressed by the kind of person you are, eh?
Bob Whiston
>kicking people off like you are now?
>
echoes work. The `administrators?' don't give `an aviary intercourse at a
rapidly rotating ring of pastry' about how a moderator handles an echo. I guess
that when someone like you figures out what a modem is you think you are a
`GHOD' and should be kowtowed to.
Doleo ergo sum,
-HALFPINT-
Oleg Melnikov
"Joseph W. Mann" <jwm...@concentric.net> wrote:
>John Mackey, KA0SSF wrote:
>>
>> > Please don't spoil it by dragging your FIDO-boss attitude back here.
>> > > Go enjoy your dictatorship world with the rest of your FIDO followers and
>> > > leave well enough alone.
>>
>> > > Hugh Duff VA3TO Toronto
>>
>> > > ş NFX v1.3 [000]Your response was totally uncalled for. Shut your mouth. You have said nothing these past few months.
>> > Except when it comes to Bill Cheek. Shut your mouth or go play with your self.
>> > Joseph
>>
>> You better back off, Joseph. He is right about Bill Cheeks. If you have EVER
>> dealt with Cheeks on FIdonet, he is an ASSHOLE.
>
>
>Don't ever make threats. This crap started long ago. Now a few assholes start the mud slinging.
>
>Let's take a look at past events.
>
>1.) a reader posted a question about computer scanning.
>2.) a few other readers responded.
>3.) Bill posted a technical artical about the CE-232, yes there was some information about where to get
> information, nothing wrong with plugging a product. This is America, not Russia.
It's very difficult question about freedom and other things in US and
Russia. In Russia you can put any technical information in the article
or on the WEB. If you found some security codes, cellular codes, e/t/c
- you can put them anywere. And nobody will claim you.
>4.) Out of the woodwork come PjB, Hugh, and now some asshole threating me to back off. None of these
> people with the exception of attempt to make any attempt at providing any input to the newsgroup
> but to flame Bill Cheek and to go as far as to flame any person who corresponds or disagrees
> with their view.
>5.) Now I have threats placed against me. I do not take them lightly and steps have been taken to stop
> John. There are protections in place for people who do this. I have been through this before
> and when I or my family is threated I will take action.
Patrick D. Lukens
Bill Cheek wrote:
>
> Len Revelle <len...@wwa.com> wrote:
>
> >-- Why don't both of you call it a day and take the dribble elsewhere.
> Please take note of the FALSE reply-to address that he's
> using here. It isn't possible to e-mail to him.
>
> 'Nuff said?
>
> -= Bill =-
I've been following this stuff for a while, too. If you don't like it,
the solution is simple. Don't read it. When you have such an open
forum, you are bound to have a lot of wasted bandwidth. Perhaps it's
time for rec.radio.scanner.moderated? I personally see no need for it,
as I don't sit and read each article. I look for interesting threads,
and when they turn this direction, I ignore them.....
--Patrick
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PAUL B
>.
>
> CKT RF-in SCAN AUDIO
>SCANNER NFM CHIP TYPE SYMBOL Pin Pin BASEBAND
>=============== =============== ======= ===== ===== =========
>AR-2500 MC-3361N IC-xxx 16 13 9
>
>Ok, great! But the list needs one more thing....the circuit symbol as
>xxx'd out above. Do you recall seeing it labeled on the printed
>circuit board? And if you can, put a voltmeter on Pin 13 and see if
>the pin goes high and low with squelch breaks.
Hi bill i must be going mad mate the actual discriminator is on pin 9 of
the TA7761P and the ic number is IC 13 sorry for misleading you .
If you need any voltage refs or anything else bill please ask and i will
give you as much info as i can ....
If anyone has any mods they would like to share then lest be hearing
about them ...
best regards ....
--
PAUL B
Joseph W. Mann
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca wrote:
>
> Ask yourself Joseph...why is Bill Cheek the common denominator to all
> of the trouble !
> I'm sorry for offending you with this BS but the truth must be told.
> If you don't care to read thru it anymore simply skip any posts from
> Cheek or myself.
>
I will take your advice and not respond to this or anyother threads.
I am interrested to see who else follows your advice.
Joseph.
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Clint Bradford wrote:
>
> >>Bill Cheeks <sic> is an a*****e. You have to have dealt with him
> >>to truly understande <sic> his problems.
>
> I have dealt with Bill Cheek and his firm several times in the past -
> both on the phone, via EMail, and on his BBS. His World Scanner Report
> newsletter is without peer in the industry/hobby of scanning. His
> attitude towards me and my inquiries was nothing other than professional
> and courteous.
Well of course, you were a customer.
Watch the way he condescends people on the internet. Go to his fidonet echo,
he is his natural asshole self there.
> Just FYI. Maybe he hates those who cannot spell common words correctly.
> Illiteracy sure sets me off sometimes....
> clint.b...@atdbbs.com
That would not appear to be a problem if he continues to deal with you like
you say.
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
>
BC> Stop coming to me. Ignore me. Leave well enough alone. Attend to
BC> your own growth needs. Surf your own wave. Ride your own star.
BC> Write your own books. Do your own thing. Don't worry about me. You
BC> DO that, and I'll "grow" up.
BC>
BC> Howzzat?
BC>
BC> -= Your Maker and Master =-
What's the matter BIll...feeling the pressure ?
Better watch you don't have a nervous breakdown or get that ticker
of yours kicking out on you.
Do yourself a favour and tuck your tail betweens your legs, hang your
head low and scurry on back to FIDO..everyone will be happy again !
hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca
> <hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>
>
> >...why is Bill Cheek the common denominator to all of the trouble !
>
> didn't come on here attacking and prodding anyone. I am no more of a
> common denominator than you are, Ignats. I don't CAUSE anyone ANY
> trouble. Not one little iota. Not ever.
>
> I'm just regular ol' me. I don't bother a soul until I'm bothered
> first....and even then, I usually give it a chance.
>
> You're causing the trouble, Duff. You and your goodbuddy, Mackey.
> Why don't you just STOP?
>
> How about you putting a finger on any trouble I've caused. You can't.
>
> -= Bill Cheek =-
>
I've just spent a week going thru it with you.
I'm willing to wind this thing down...All I wanted was to have my say...
blurt out and get my greivance with you off my chest.
Done unless you persist.
Bill Cheek
mic...@alexander.terranet.com (Michael Alexander) wrote:
>Geez, that's really deep. Man where do you get this vision thing anyway?
>You ought to try sobriety once and a while. It does wonders for your
>perspective.
Hmmmmm. I don't "do" anything stronger than caffein and nicotine.
Perhaps you're developing a cocaine psychosis, eh?
>Hey, Bill here's a simple two-plus-two concept that even a wacko like you
>can understand: When Cheek is crawled under his little rock, all is quiet.
>When Cheek slithers out, with supposedly useful information disguised as
>advertising for his interface and other products, shit happens. You get
>the correlation?
That's your sacramental. But then there is the truth. The truth of
the matter is that you, Duff, Mackey, and Boe fancy yourselves as a
kangaroo court with you as da Judge; Duff as da jury; Mackey as the
executioner; and Boe as the tongue for your poop chutes.
<shrug>
>>I wonder how long you'd sit for it, if a troupe of snotballs waltzed
>>in on you. It's pretty easy to render all kinds of judgments sitting
>>out in the bleachers.
>Well, Lord knows that you're sitting in the bleaches tossing crap out on
>to the field. You wouldn't say half the crap you spew out to someone's
>face because they would kcik your scrawny ass up and down the street.
Would they now? At least, it's mighty easy for you to say..... and
you have demonstrated a marked prowess with your mouth.
>Ever wonder why authors etc. don't come into this forum and act the fool
>like you do? You see the CEOs of Optoelectronics, Uniden, AOR, or Icom
>talking about what they find in their underwear and using such
>illustrative terminology as "weeny washer?"
Weeny washer? No shit, is that THAT what you are? Wow....I didn't
know.......... No wonder.........
>>It ain't a matter of ignoring them. They won't stop.
>Hmmm, we started this round?
Yes. Duff did. Without question or argument.
> Oh, yeah, I forgot. I posted your advertisment.
My press release? Yes, you did repost it. For that, I think you.
You DID do it, right? Yes, you sure did. IF there was anything wrong
with it.....and I don't think there was.....you DOUBLED it plus one.
> I wrote that joke FAQ of yours.
Why don't you tell me EXACTLY what was wrong with that FAQ?
> I called everyone "shit fer brains,"
No, WW, just you.
> and told them to "eat my shorts."
No. Just you and two or three others is all. Not everyone, Madame.
> You are so delusional that you
>are in serious need of counseling.
<giggle> Me? Ha ha ha ha. Me? heh heh heh. I'm not so deluded
that I use terms like "everyone" to mean two or four snotballs. I'm
not so deluded that I can't zero in on a single focus.
>Some times it's hard to tell the difference with you.
But it's not incumbent on you to do any "telling"......
>>and Alexander may be thinking things over after failing to practice
>>his preachments.
>What preachments are those, big shot?
You reposted my Press Release after saying it bothered you.
> Did the fact that I questioned your posting your lengthy
> press release set you off?
I -=wish=- you WOULD question it, WW. But you didn't question
anything. You came out on the prod....galloping to Duff's defense
with little boy Petey clinging to your pucker string.
Seriously, I wish you WOULD question........
> Is that all it takes? You little piss
>ant--you can dish it but you can't take it, eh?
How 'bout if I take you down and piss on you and make you at least
SMELL like a man? Would that be ok?
> I asked if you believed that it was appropriate...
Geezus......talk about delusions........ Why don't you re-read what
you said?
>Tell me Bluster Bill... Have you ever sold one of your famous CE232
>interfaces?
Hundreds....maybe a thousand. Why?
> No one ever talks about it; no one ever says that COMMTronics
>makes a fine product and offers superlative support. Why is that?
Huh? You must not read all the traffic, then. Or, you're stupid and
can't remember from one day to the next.
Bill Cheek
tv...@teleport.com (PjB) wrote:
>Its true. Bill Cheek is a shameless liar. I have ample proof. He once
>thought I was sending him sexually oriented email from an AOL account. He
>tried to tell everyone that AOL actually informed him the name and address
>of one of their customers!! Can you believe it?
But Petey, you DID make sexual advances at me. It was when I turned
you down that you cut loose with all the bullshit since.
Guess hell hath no fury like a Petey scorned, eh?
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
>BC> Stop coming to me. Ignore me. Leave well enough alone. Attend to
>BC> your own growth needs. Surf your own wave. Ride your own star.
>BC> Write your own books. Do your own thing. Don't worry about me. You
>BC> DO that, and I'll "grow" up.
>BC> Howzzat?
>What's the matter BIll...feeling the pressure ?
What pressure? I should think you'd feel pressured to make good on
your drivel. That gives you two choices. Ride your own wave or knock
me off mine. Seems you don't have one of your own, and you can't
handle mine, so....... ????
>Do yourself a favour and tuck your tail betweens your legs,
Sorry....THAT ain't my "tail", pal. <horselaugh>
It's what makes me your....
-= Maker and Master =-
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Bill Cheek wrote:
>
> <hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
> >Funny how the ranks of Bill Cheek "offendees" are showing up.
> >One only need conclude that YOU, Bill Cheek are the common thread to
> >these flames.
> Well, I did kick both your asses off the SCANRADIO forum several
> months ago. But that has nothing to do with this newsgroup.
> Still, you AND snotball Mackey are more of a common denominator than
> me. You BOTH have sore asses.
Oh good one Billy.
I'll bet you have a sore mouth & brown nose.
I always figured that you kicked people off who didn't give into your perverse
wishes.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Oh yea Bill, you said earlier something about how you are the ONLY Engineer
dedicated to scanner mods. What exactly are your credentials to call yourself
a "engineer"? Do you have an advanced degree in electronics & if so what
type? Do you have an FCC commercial license?? Maybe even a higher ham
license???
John Mackey, KA0SSF
Bill Cheek wrote:
>
> <hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
> >Funny how the ranks of Bill Cheek "offendees" are showing up.
> >One only need conclude that YOU, Bill Cheek are the common thread to
> >these flames.
> Well, I did kick both your asses off the SCANRADIO forum several
> months ago. But that has nothing to do with this newsgroup.
So yea Billy, thanks for the history lesson. That was nice.
But, as you said, it has NOTHING to do with this newsgroup, now back
to the original issue that "hduff" brought up. "YOU, Bill Cheek
Dave Smith
On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 06:54:41 GMT, bch...@cts.com (Bill Cheek) wrote:
>Well, I did kick both your asses off the SCANRADIO forum several
>months ago. But that has nothing to do with this newsgroup.
>
>Still, you AND snotball Mackey are more of a common denominator than
>me. You BOTH have sore asses.
>
>Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
>-= Your Maker and Master =-
I usually lurk, but I must post an opinion about your above comment, and others in
this group:
You must be kidding!
Are you really this much of an asshole? The group was nice and peaceful until you
came along. And you wrote several books? Who would publish you?
Your professionalism is yet to be seen, and you come across as very arrogant. Did
you graduate Junior High School, or do you still attend?
Go away.
Dr Pepper
bch...@cts.com (Bill Cheek) wrote:
>n9...@TheRamp.net (Rich Carlson) wrote:
>>I try to avoid these flame wars that seem to erupt whenever Cheek, Moss, or
>>some others post anything. I wasn't around during the Fido Wars, but
>>read more than I wanted to know about them. I just wish these guys would
>>knock off the flames. I don't know or care who started them, or who said
>>what to whom, I just want to read about scanners, radios and frequencies.
>You need to care about HOW things get started, if not by whom.
>Mainly, if something doesn't get started, then it doesn't exist.
>Things like this are like fires. They'll burn themselves out after a
>while, once the fuel is gone. But more often than not, it's better to
>respond and put out the fire.
>I wonder how long you'd sit for it, if a troupe of snotballs waltzed
>in on you. It's pretty easy to render all kinds of judgments sitting
>out in the bleachers.
That's true.
>Pretty much right up front and on the table, though, is the BIG
>question of WHY there aren't more authors, engineers, technicians,
>publishers, and business people participating in these forums? Ever
>wonder about that?
Please expand on that thread Bill. I am a retired PE in California.
>The answer is universal. I've seen it happen in many places with many
>different prominent people......they come into a public forum, and a
>troupe of sickos jumps all over them. It doesn't take long before the
>good guys are gone......leaving the mess to the snotballs.
Having been a City Councilman and Mayor, I can vouch for that.!
>I'm a little different. I was born in the kitchen and can stand the
>heat as well as serve some up. But the brass tacks facts are simple.
>Hugh Duff, John Mackey, Michael Alexander, and Peter J. Boe started
>this round and won't give it a rest. It's real simple. They want me
>gone. I threaten their security, I guess.
I know what you mean, but after a while, you have to wonder if it's
all worth it?
>It ain't a matter of ignoring them. They won't stop.
Right again.
>Before you wrap it all up into a shut and closed case from up there in
>the bleachers, step out onto the playing field and get a different
>perspective. Analyze the facts. There are several very important
>ones. Duff and Mackey got booted from a moderated forum and have an
>axe to grind. But do they have anything to contribute? Never.
>Boe is a schizo-freakazoid-weenie who jumped on the wrong side from
>the git-go. Alexander ain't much better, but he has his own irons in
>the fire that he may feel I threaten. Check the threads and see for
>yourself......though its mostly Duff and Mackey who are fanning the
>flames for this go-around. Boe seems to have stuffed a sock in it,
>and Alexander may be thinking things over after failing to practice
>his preachments. But Duff and Mackey.....now those two popinjays are
>on a mission. Duff even admitted it.
>So now what? Should I let them run me off? At least step out onto
>the playing field before deciding.
>-= Bill =-
I appreciate your perspicasity and tenatiousness. Hang in there Bill,
ego and all :-}
Dr Pepper
10 - 2 - 4
Bill Cheek
<hd...@hcol.humberc.on.ca> wrote:
> >...why is Bill Cheek the common denominator to all of the trouble !
>> WHAT trouble? The ONLY trouble is the trouble YOU are making. I
>> didn't come on here attacking and prodding anyone. I am no more of a
>> common denominator than you are, Ignats. I don't CAUSE anyone ANY
>> trouble. Not one little iota. Not ever.
>> I'm just regular ol' me. I don't bother a soul until I'm bothered
>> first....and even then, I usually give it a chance.
>> You're causing the trouble, Duff. You and your goodbuddy, Mackey.
>> Why don't you just STOP?
>> How about you putting a finger on any trouble I've caused. You can't.
>I've just spent a week going thru it with you.
Not straight and up front, you haven't. You've been going over spilt
milk of months ago in another place that has nothing to do with here
and now.
>I'm willing to wind this thing down...All I wanted was to have my say...
>blurt out and get my greivance with you off my chest.
>Done unless you persist.
Then it's done....not accounting for "message delay" of recently sent
but not received/responded mail. You've had your say and there isn't
a thing I can do about the past, perceived or real.
The present counts. AND for whatever it is worth, I am in a very
unique position of being a hobbyist foremost, followed by a
simultaneous existence in the profession and business of radio.
I am going to post an occasional FAQ and even a Press Release, and I
don't have the foggiest idea of HOW I can totally separate the
professional side of me from the Hobbyist side of me. My ability to
create a FAQ and post it to the forum is a combination of BOTH sides
of me, and I can't sterilize it to the satisfaction of those who want
me gone or to ride my wave. If I were strictly a dumbass hobbyist
like our good pal, Peter J., then I'd be like HIM and not post
anything of worth. I'd just be like HIM....like a housefly, and
bother people.
Plainly put, I am not going to be taken to task for serving my Hobby
and being in the business, too. I am going to exercise reasonable
caution - perhaps even go the extra mile - in terms of avoiding
blatant commercialism, but ONLY because I don't like to mix business
with pleasure in that sense. On the other hand, after 33 years of
being a hobbyist and a professional in radio, I have yet to see even
the slightest possibility of surgically separating the two. It is not
possible. So I am what I am......and there will be times when one or
the other or BOTH sides of me show in my articles and postings.
I am NOT going to be taken to task for that. You speak of CONFLICT OF
INTEREST. Sure there is. But it's out in the open for all to see.
It's not skillfully hidden under disguise, like SOME OF THE SHILLS for
other companies that are here!!!!!!!!!!! You don't see 'em, because
they're masquerading under the guise of the Hobby.
SHILL: "Hey, Hugh, I just got me one of those new Horsey-Cow 6969
scanners, and man are they ever hot stuff!"
HUGH: "Far out. Where can one be had?"
SHILL: "Horsey-Cow, Inc. 6969 - 69th Place, Podunk, Iowa 69696 and
the have a special deal on software for it, too."
You zero in on ME because you KNOW what the score is and I don't make
any bones about it. Meanwhile, twenty others slink in and out of here
daily, doing their dirty work, and you miss the effect of what's going
on in its entirety.
Something is wrong with that picture. But yes, indeed, I am in "the
business". That's why a lot of me comes FREE for the asking of a
question here. I won't sell someone a book or my WORLD SCANNER REPORT
or even a mod-kit or instruction sheet if......-=IF=- .... I can
adequately and properly meet his need for free here.... If I have to
go do an hour's research, then chances are I will tell him where that
work has already been done and direct him to THAT source, whether it
happens to be mine or someone else's.
Whenever there is a duplicity of sources - mine and someone else's -
then I try like hell to include all the options and alternatives.
It's the best I can do, Hugh. For some, it ain't good enough, but
then nothing will be good enough. So I really don't care about THEM.
For the majority, it is good enough and it's to THEM and their drummer
that I will march, me and my drummer. This necessarily excludes
Hizoner Michael Alexander, Johnny Mackey, Peter J. Boe...and maybe a
few others.
Tough. They can pack sand or whistle "Dixie" for all I care. Or they
can shut up and tend to their own business........and leave me the
hell alone so I can leave them the hell alone.
On that note, it's done, unless you want to talk about something
herein or other pertinent matters in an upfront, straight manner. We
don't have to agree. If flames are not satisfactory, then don't flame
me. Don't leverage one side of me against the other side. Don't
leverage, period. Then we don't have to agree and we can still get
along just fine. If you were a US citizen and were a Republican, and
me a Democrat, I'd offer to hug your elephant and let you kiss my ass.
But since you're not a Republican and I'm not a Democrat, we don't
have to cross that bridge. That's one obstacle out of the way. Eh?
Bill
PjB
In article <4t2sqq$c...@peach.america.net>, ram...@worldnet.att.net
(Shaggy) wrote:
> The man has no reason to START anything more than
> passing info to the group which he does quite well. If those that have
nothing
> better to do than flame people would just leave it at that all would be good
> here as it has in the past.
I'm afraid you're a bit on the naive side, Mr. Shaggy. I will let Mr.
Cheeks speak for himself, though. I have access to logs of much of the
past activity on Mr. Cheeks FIDO scanner forum, ScanRadio. In the
following post, he lays out rather succinctly how he feels about this
group:
Date: 30 Apr 96 07:31:03
From: Bill Cheek
To: Kurt Shedd
Subj: Anarchy in the Newsgroups
Yo! Kurt:
Friday April 26 1996 16:00, Kurt Shedd wrote to Bill Cheek:
KS> On a side note, I have found it interesting once again on the
KS> scanning newsgroups to see the people from here who have left use
KS> certain phrases and words to describe the very scanradio they wanted
KS> to be in (Not to mention the flattering words they have to say about
KS> BC). Most of what is said I let go over my head, but must admit that
KS> once in a while you let yourself get drug down to the 1" cranium
KS> thickness level, and say things that could have been left alone, but
KS> then again, I must admit that I am not the one being denegrated, so I
KS> might respond in similar fashion, just a little more toned down.
KS> (maybe that comes from being over-educated.) Kurt...
Those are the people who wanted to turn this echo into a FLAME forum, too.
They were proscribed from doing it, so they went to the anarchy of the
newsgroups.
You're right, once in a while when I have a minute, I hop onto
rec.radio.scanner and hose them down a little. Who cares? What
difference
does it make?
(....deleted)
I can't control it on the newsgroups and therefore do not participate there
to any appreciable extent.
Thus, this echo will prove to be a refreshing oasis to people like me who
are more interested in high technology and using radio.
--- End Quoted Text--
Well, as you can see, Mr. Cheeks is back aboard to 'hose us down' a
little. Enjoy the spray....
> Back your newsreader up about a month if you can and retreive some of the
> threads and do your homework. You'll be surprised at what you may learn.
>
> Shaggy