(UPDATE, SHORT) Auto-FAQ Sent to Over 27,500 rec.radio.amateur.* Posters
Paul W. Schleck
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3d52733f%240%2498805%2445beb828%40newscene.com
In September of 1996, I started mailing an introductory message to all
new posters to rec.radio.amateur.misc. This is accomplished via a
special Perl script originally written by comp.infosystems.www.* FAQ
maintainer Tom Boutell, who uses it on
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, to send each poster such a message
once, and only once, to a given E-mail address. It runs from a Unix
cron job on my host every morning at 2 AM and queries my local news
server via NNTP for the headers of any new articles posted to this
newsgroup.
The project was expanded on June 19, 2002 to cover all
rec.radio.amateur.* newsgroups, but with the same previous-poster
database (as I stated my intention to do in previous updates). This
means that if you have already received the message to a given E-mail
address, you won't receive it again to that same E-mail address. This
expansion increased the average number of recipients each day from about
7 to about 25. Feedback statistics remain about the same for the
additional 2,500 recipients (see previous updates via the link above for
more details).
Here are the milestones in terms of number of recipients, and the date
each milestone was attained:
Recipients: Date: Average Recipients/Month (approx.):
0 September 21, 1996 N/A
5,000 July 5, 1997 625
7,500 December 7, 1997 500
10,000 June 2, 1998 420
12,500 December 20, 1998 420
15,000 September 29, 1999 280
17,500 May 30, 2000 310
20,000 April 7, 2001 250
22,500 April 3, 2002 220
25,000 August 8, 2002 625
27,500 December 1, 2002 670
For those who are curious, here is the current version of the message,
modified in response to feedback as the project progressed.
>Subject: WELCOME to rec.radio.amateur.*
>X-Loop: rec.radio.ama...@oasis.novia.net
Hello,
The following message is automatically sent to every new poster or
cross-poster (as of June 19, 2002) to any of the rec.radio.amateur.*
newsgroups. It should be sent once, and only once, to each unique
address. This is a welcome message. The Internet amateur radio
community welcomes you to the newsgroups, including rec.radio.amateur.*,
and welcomes your input, opinions, and constructive participation. To
help make you feel welcome, experienced participants like myself have
chosen to systematically inform you, as a new poster, about useful
information resources and user tips to enable you to get the most out of
these newsgroups. I hope you will consider the message in that spirit.
* * *
1. The news.announce.newusers newsgroup, moderated by Jon Bell, et al,
contains a number of very informative articles providing an overview of
net-etiquette, suggested writing styles for electronic forums, and other
various do's and don'ts concerning Internet culture. If the articles
have expired at your site, you may also access them from:
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/
2. Original newsgroup voting and charter information for the
rec.radio.amateur.* hierarchy, as well as for rec.radio.info and
rec.radio.swap, may be accessed from:
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/rec/rec.radio.info
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/rec/rec.radio.amateur-reorg
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/rec/rec.radio.amateur.dx
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/rec/rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
3. The Guide to the rec.radio Newsgroups, originally written by Jay
Maynard, K5ZC, is now maintained by Jeffrey Herman, KH6O. It provides
an excellent overview of all of the Usenet newsgroups devoted to amateur
and CB radio. It may be accessed from:
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/radio/personal-intro
4. The rec.radio.swap FAQ: A Guide to Buying and Selling on Usenet,
also originally written by Jay Maynard, K5ZC, is now also maintained by
Jeffrey Herman, KH6O. It contains a number of good pointers for reading
and posting articles concerning the buying and selling of radio and
radio-related equipment on the Usenet newsgroup rec.radio.swap (which,
with the sole exception of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors for vintage
equipment, is the only appropriate newsgroup in the rec.radio.*
hierarchy for such articles). It may be accessed from:
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/radio/swap-guide
Please direct any submissions feedback, or administrivia regarding the
above two resources to jeff...@hawaii.edu.
5. The national amateur radio society of the United States, the
American Radio Relay League, has a presence on the Internet. You may
access their comprehensive and informative home page at:
(They also have information about amateur radio organizations in other
countries.)
6. Read the newsgroup first to see if your question has already been
answered. You may also view, and search for keywords in, older news
articles (going all the way back to 1981) at the Google (formerly
DejaNews) archive:
Many topics have been discussed before, often in great depth, but the
articles have expired at your local news server. Services like Google
allow Usenet a much longer "institutional memory," greatly benefiting
both new and experienced users.
7. If you do post to the newsgroup, give as many details as possible.
After you post, read the newsgroup for a week or two to see all replies
to your posting. A recommended practice is to ask for responses by
E-mail and offer to post a summary if others are interested in the
answer to your question. Note that it is (almost without exception)
inappropriate to post your article to all (or even a significant subset
of) rec.radio.amateur.* newsgroups. Please pick only the most relevant
newsgroups (2 or 3 at most), and post your article as a simultaneous
cross-post (check your newsreader documentation) so that only one
article is propagated, and the article is only shown once in a
newsreader.
8. Remember, Usenet newsgroups are based on the idea of mutual aid.
Usenet only works if we put as much into it as we get out of it.
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU
The author welcomes any and all constructive feedback. Please direct
all such feedback to psch...@novia.net and retain the original subject
(e.g., "Re: WELCOME to rec.radio.amateur.*") in your reply.
Paul W. Schleck
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3dead0eb%240%24202%2445beb828%40newscene.com
30,000 April 1, 2003 625
Paul W. Schleck
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e8a285b%240%243646%2445beb828%40newscene.com
In September of 1996, I started mailing an introductory message to all
new posters to rec.radio.amateur.misc. This is accomplished via a
special Perl script originally written by comp.infosystems.www.* FAQ
maintainer Tom Boutell, who uses it on
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, to send each poster such a message
once, and only once, to a given E-mail address. It runs from a Unix
cron job on my host every morning at 2 AM and queries my local news
server via NNTP for the headers of any new articles posted to this
newsgroup.
The project was expanded on June 19, 2002 to cover all
rec.radio.amateur.* newsgroups, but with the same previous-poster
database (as I stated my intention to do in previous updates). This
means that if you have already received the message to a given E-mail
address, you won't receive it again to that same E-mail address. This
expansion increased the average number of recipients each day from about
7 to about 25. The average number of recipients per day is currently
about 20. Feedback statistics remain about the same for the additional
2,500 recipients (see previous updates via the link above for more
details). Here are the milestones in terms of number of recipients, and
the date each milestone was attained:
Recipients: Date: Average Recipients/Month (approx.):
0 September 21, 1996 N/A
5,000 July 5, 1997 625
7,500 December 7, 1997 500
10,000 June 2, 1998 420
12,500 December 20, 1998 420
15,000 September 29, 1999 280
17,500 May 30, 2000 310
20,000 April 7, 2001 250
22,500 April 3, 2002 220
25,000 August 8, 2002 625
27,500 December 1, 2002 670
30,000 April 1, 2003 625
32,500 August 27, 2003 500
Paul W. Schleck
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3f4cb076%240%24804%2445beb828%40newscene.com
In September of 1996, I started mailing an introductory message to all
new posters to rec.radio.amateur.misc. This is accomplished via a
special Perl script originally written by comp.infosystems.www.* FAQ
maintainer Tom Boutell, who uses it on
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, to send each poster such a message
once, and only once, to a given E-mail address. It runs from a Unix
cron job on my host every morning at 2 AM and queries my local news
server via NNTP for the headers of any new articles posted to this
newsgroup.
The project was expanded on June 19, 2002 to cover all
rec.radio.amateur.* newsgroups, but with the same previous-poster
database (as I stated my intention to do in previous updates). This
means that if you have already received the message to a given E-mail
address, you won't receive it again to that same E-mail address. The
average number of recipients per day is currently about 16. Feedback
statistics remain about the same for the additional 2,500 recipients
(see previous updates via the link above for more details). Here are
the milestones in terms of number of recipients, and the date each
milestone was attained:
Recipients: Date: Average Recipients/Month (approx.):
0 September 21, 1996 N/A
5,000 July 5, 1997 625
7,500 December 7, 1997 500
10,000 June 2, 1998 420
12,500 December 20, 1998 420
15,000 September 29, 1999 280
17,500 May 30, 2000 310
20,000 April 7, 2001 250
22,500 April 3, 2002 220
25,000 August 8, 2002 625
27,500 December 1, 2002 670
30,000 April 1, 2003 625
32,500 August 27, 2003 500
35,000 January 30, 2004 500
Paul W. Schleck
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=401b2ff6%240%2499192%2445beb828%40newscene.com
37,500 July 31, 2004 420
HUMBUG
And here we have THE reason for people completely obsfucating their
addresses.
What is the sending e-mail domain - I'll just block the fucking lot
and be done with it.
<loads of CRAP deleted>
--
Humbug
Rush
"Paul W. Schleck" <psch...@novia.net> wrote in message
news:410e48a3$0$158$45be...@newscene.com...
> For the previous (SHORT) update, see:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=401b2ff6%240%2499192%2445beb828%40newscene.com
>
> In September of 1996
Another Usenet self-appointed NetKKKop.
sty
post what I want.Ahhh! freedom, so sweet.
cb
as others.
"Paul W. Schleck" <psch...@novia.net> wrote in message
news:410e48a3$0$158$45be...@newscene.com...
.
Paul W. Schleck
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=410e48a3%240%24158%2445beb828%40newscene.com
In September of 1996, I started mailing an introductory message to all
new posters to rec.radio.amateur.misc. This is accomplished via a
special Perl script originally written by comp.infosystems.www.* FAQ
maintainer Tom Boutell, who uses it on
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, to send each poster such a message
once, and only once, to a given E-mail address. It runs from a Unix
cron job on my host every morning at 2 AM and queries my local news
server via NNTP for the headers of any new articles posted to this
newsgroup.
The project was expanded on June 19, 2002 to cover all
rec.radio.amateur.* newsgroups, but with the same previous-poster
database (as I stated my intention to do in previous updates). This
means that if you have already received the message to a given E-mail
address, you won't receive it again to that same E-mail address. The
average number of recipients per day is currently about 12. Feedback
statistics remain about the same for the additional 2,500 recipients
(see previous updates via the link above for more details). Here are
the milestones in terms of number of recipients, and the date each
milestone was attained:
Recipients: Date: Average Recipients/Month (approx.):
0 September 21, 1996 N/A
5,000 July 5, 1997 625
7,500 December 7, 1997 500
10,000 June 2, 1998 420
12,500 December 20, 1998 420
15,000 September 29, 1999 280
17,500 May 30, 2000 310
20,000 April 7, 2001 250
22,500 April 3, 2002 220
25,000 August 8, 2002 625
27,500 December 1, 2002 670
30,000 April 1, 2003 625
32,500 August 27, 2003 500
35,000 January 30, 2004 500
37,500 July 31, 2004 420
40,000 February 10, 2005 360
Lloyd
"Paul W. Schleck" <psch...@novia.net> wrote in message
news:420d06bb$0$8355$45be...@newscene.com...
Paul W. Schleck
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.amateur.misc/msg/f4f6a916abc666f8
42,500 September 19, 2005 360
Paul W. Schleck
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.amateur.misc/msg/ade88e8296987eb9
In September of 1996, I started mailing an introductory message to all
new posters to rec.radio.amateur.misc. This is accomplished via a
special Perl script originally written by comp.infosystems.www.* FAQ
maintainer Tom Boutell, who uses it on
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, to send each poster such a message
once, and only once, to a given E-mail address. It runs from a Unix
cron job on my host every morning at 2 AM and queries my local news
server via NNTP for the headers of any new articles posted to this
newsgroup.
The project was expanded on June 19, 2002 to cover all
rec.radio.amateur.* newsgroups, but with the same previous-poster
database (as I stated my intention to do in previous updates). This
means that if you have already received the message to a given E-mail
address, you won't receive it again to that same E-mail address. The
average number of recipients per day is currently about 14. Feedback
statistics remain about the same for the additional 2,500 recipients
(see previous updates via the link above for more details). Here are
the milestones in terms of number of recipients, and the date each
milestone was attained:
Recipients: Date: Average Recipients/Month (approx.):
0 September 21, 1996 N/A
5,000 July 5, 1997 625
7,500 December 7, 1997 500
10,000 June 2, 1998 420
12,500 December 20, 1998 420
15,000 September 29, 1999 280
17,500 May 30, 2000 310
20,000 April 7, 2001 250
22,500 April 3, 2002 220
25,000 August 8, 2002 625
27,500 December 1, 2002 670
30,000 April 1, 2003 625
32,500 August 27, 2003 500
35,000 January 30, 2004 500
37,500 July 31, 2004 420
40,000 February 10, 2005 360
42,500 September 19, 2005 360
45,000 April 28, 2006 420
an_old_friend
Howard W3CQH
these flaming moronic messages back and forth to themselves and others
referencing their sexual preferences.
"Paul W. Schleck" <psch...@novia.net> wrote in message
news:44541fe1$0$96240$540e...@novia.net...
an_old_friend
Howard W3CQH wrote:
> It would be great if you could block all of these jerks that keep sending
> these flaming moronic messages back and forth to themselves and others
> referencing their sexual preferences.
>
other
Paul W. Schleck
>chraming so you have updated this spam
It's probably time to put out the (UPDATE, LONG) posting at the next
report to the newsgroup. In the meantime, I can at least post my
standard rebuttal to accusations that this project is SPAM.
This project is not SPAM for the following reasons, some of which are
common sense, some of which are legal (based on an informal opinion from
a local lawyer with some expertise in Internet-related law; since this
was just consultation and not a formal client relationship, take with
the appropriate disclaimers).
- It is arguably not SPAM to send a response to a specific post, on a
specific newsgroup, for a specific newsgroup-related reason, and do so
one time to a given user. The automation is merely a means to an end,
and does not, in and of itself, constitute SPAM. When you post to a
newsgroup, you invite a reasonable amount of replies on topics
relevant to that post and that newsgroup.
- The small number of messages sent on a daily basis (usually no more
than 10-15) keeps it under arbitrary definitions of SPAM without
even considering exceptions or discretion (usually 25, as in the Novia
AUP).
- Unlike most all SPAM, the message is from a specific, real originator
who reads and replies to all responses (if you write to me in reply to
the message, I will get your message, will read it with interest, and
will promptly send you a polite, considered reply). I realize that
sending such a message invites replies, and I welcome them.
- The originator's ISP is clearly identified, and has a real address
where you can direct any concerns and likely also receive a polite,
considered reply.
- Inherent in this project is a "do not call" list. You are
automatically put on it the first time you post, but can also be added
to it at any time by writing to psch...@novia.net.
and this one is the most interesting of all (told to me by the lawyer):
- SPAM by most laws and regulations aimed at it, is defined as having
*commercial* content. While I believe that other aspects of the content
and how its presented does affect whether it is abusive or not, in terms
of most laws established to date, my message is arguably not SPAM simply
because it is not commercial in nature.
--
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU
psch...@novia.net
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
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an_old_friend
Paul W. Schleck wrote:
> In <1146383248.2...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "an_old_friend" <kons...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >chraming so you have updated this spam
>
> It's probably time to put out the (UPDATE, LONG) posting at the next
> report to the newsgroup. In the meantime, I can at least post my
> standard rebuttal to accusations that this project is SPAM.
>
> This project is not SPAM for the following reasons, some of which are
> common sense, some of which are legal (based on an informal opinion from
> a local lawyer with some expertise in Internet-related law; since this
> was just consultation and not a formal client relationship, take with
> the appropriate disclaimers).
the best fit of the current crop of terms
till a better word for noncomercail bulk is coined spam will do (if you
are aware of a term in general use for private email in reposnse to a
public posting {a break of manners right there} that is generic aand
undirected I am willing listen and consider til then it is psam and
Nowhere did I suhgest it rose to the level of being illegal
markie_morg...@yahoo.com
assfucked by an_old_friend wrote:
> Paul W. Schleck wrote:
> > In <1146383248.2...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "an_old_friend" <kons...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > >chraming so you have updated this spam
> >
> > It's probably time to put out the (UPDATE, LONG) posting at the next
> > report to the newsgroup. In the meantime, I can at least post my
> > standard rebuttal to accusations that this project is SPAM.
> >
> > This project is not SPAM for the following reasons, some of which are
> > common sense, some of which are legal (based on an informal opinion from
> > a local lawyer with some expertise in Internet-related law; since this
> > was just consultation and not a formal client relationship, take with
> > the appropriate disclaimers).
> it is
STFU, spammer.
an old freind
markie_morg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> assfucked by an_old_friend wrote:
> > Paul W. Schleck wrote:
> > > In <1146383248.2...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "an_old_friend" <kons...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> STFU, spammer.
get help
peewee_ll...@yahoo.com
STFU, Markie, you useless spammer.
kb9rq...@yahoo.com
get help
Paul W. Schleck
Hash: SHA1
For the previous (SHORT) update, see:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.amateur.misc/msg/c55f821b689e1845
There is also an important (FINAL) update in this message. Please read
it all the way to the bottom, especially before following up to the
newsgroup.
In September of 1996, I started mailing an introductory message to all
new posters to rec.radio.amateur.misc. This is accomplished via a
special Perl script originally written by comp.infosystems.www.* FAQ
maintainer Tom Boutell, who uses it on
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, to send each poster such a message
once, and only once, to a given E-mail address. It runs from a Unix
cron job on my host every morning at 2 AM and queries my local news
server via NNTP for the headers of any new articles posted to this
newsgroup.
The project was expanded on June 19, 2002 to cover all
rec.radio.amateur.* newsgroups, but with the same previous-poster
database (as I stated my intention to do in previous updates). This
means that if you have already received the message to a given E-mail
address, you won't receive it again to that same E-mail address. The
average number of recipients per day is currently about 9. Feedback
statistics remain about the same for the additional 2,500 recipients
(see previous updates via the link above for more details). Here are
the milestones in terms of number of recipients, and the date each
milestone was attained:
Recipients: Date: Average Recipients/Month (approx.):
0 September 21, 1996 N/A
5,000 July 5, 1997 625
7,500 December 7, 1997 500
10,000 June 2, 1998 420
12,500 December 20, 1998 420
15,000 September 29, 1999 280
17,500 May 30, 2000 310
20,000 April 7, 2001 250
22,500 April 3, 2002 220
25,000 August 8, 2002 625
27,500 December 1, 2002 670
30,000 April 1, 2003 625
32,500 August 27, 2003 500
35,000 January 30, 2004 500
37,500 July 31, 2004 420
40,000 February 10, 2005 360
42,500 September 19, 2005 360
45,000 April 28, 2006 420
47,500 January 13, 2007 280
Hello,
* * *
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/radio/personal-intro
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/radio/swap-guide
Please direct any submissions, feedback, or administrivia regarding the
above two resources to jeff...@hawaii.edu.
5. An FAQ list for the rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors newsgroup is
maintained by Nick England, KD4CPL. It may be accessed from:
http://www.virhistory.com/ham/rrab.faq.htm
Please direct any any submissions, feedback, or administrivia regarding
the above resource to ni...@3rdtech.com.
6. The national amateur radio society of the United States, the
American Radio Relay League, has a presence on the Internet. You may
access their comprehensive and informative home page at:
(They also have information about amateur radio organizations in other
countries.)
7. Read the newsgroup first to see if your question has already been
answered. You may also view, and search for keywords in, older news
articles (going all the way back to 1981) at the Google (formerly
DejaNews) archive:
Many topics have been discussed before, often in great depth, but the
articles have expired at your local news server. Services like Google
allow Usenet a much longer "institutional memory," greatly benefiting
both new and experienced users.
8. If you do post to the newsgroup, give as many details as possible.
After you post, read the newsgroup for a week or two to see all replies
to your posting. A recommended practice is to ask for responses by
E-mail and offer to post a summary if others are interested in the
answer to your question. Note that it is (almost without exception)
inappropriate to post your article to all (or even a significant subset
of) rec.radio.amateur.* newsgroups. Please pick only the most relevant
newsgroups (2 or 3 at most), and post your article as a simultaneous
cross-post (check your newsreader documentation) so that only one
article is propagated, and the article is only shown once in a
newsreader.
9. Remember, Usenet newsgroups are based on the idea of mutual aid.
Usenet only works if we put as much into it as we get out of it.
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU
The author welcomes any and all constructive feedback. Please direct
all such feedback to psch...@novia.net and retain the original subject
(e.g., "Re: WELCOME to rec.radio.amateur.*") in your reply.
- --
Consistent with recent discussion on rec.radio.amateur.policy:
this project will be decommissioned shortly after the creation of any
new moderated amateur radio discussion newsgroup or newsgroups that
emerge from the current Request for Discussion that was recently posted
here:
I believe that this welcome message project has been a successful and
positive resource on this newsgroup for the last 10+ years. I certainly
have the desire, and ISP approval, to pursue this project indefinitely.
However, realistically, I will only have time to manage one project
going forward, and have chosen to manage a moderated discussion
newsgroup, instead. This is also acceptance of a fair offer from those
who have stated that they will support the creation of such a moderated
discussion newsgroup if this project ends.
Thanks to everyone who offered positive feedback and encouragement over
the years. Please consider participating in the above Request for
Discussion for a new moderated discussion newsgroup, and watch for the
possible creation of such a newsgroup or newsgroups sometime early this
year.
- --
73, Paul W. Schleck, K3FU
psch...@novia.net
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
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Stagger Lee
[Oh who cares?]
I don't think that even Mark Morgan or Steve Robeson has yet approached
47,500 emails or posts, in spite of serious trying.
YOU DA DUDE, SCHLECKY BABY!!!
Not Cocksucker Lloyd
You the WOMAN, BItch!
Ma...@kb9rqz.org
<not_time_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
anything about radio guys?
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/
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