Re: There's Something About Mary
Mary
"whitershadeofpale" <bigba...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:NK6dnT1yfPZ...@adelphia.com...
> Mary say it isn't so!
>
> Tell me you didn't wreck the rose club?
>
> RFLMAO
>
Dumplin', I am all brown thumbs. But I love these
conspiracy theories. :)
MaryL
"Karma" <ka...@isabitch.comedy> wrote in message
news:1121822922.17be3972bc4d4cc05c7ccecfca6b6249@teranews...
> As a witness to the destruction and devistation that occurred
> years ago in rec.gardens.roses, I was quite interested to see what
> was happening when I was made aware that an eerily similar
> situation was happening in some of the cat groups. It only took a
> few moments to verify that the poster responsible for all of the
> garbage in the cats groups is the very same troll that invaded
> the rose group so long ago.
>
> These facts are posted as a public service so that you know what
> you're dealing with, especially if you plan on complaining to
> "Mary's" ISPs. *ALL* of the following information is public domain
> and was very easy to find.
>
> Mary S aka Nancy Carter Moore (and many more Usenet IDs, as you'll
> see) is a seasoned Usenet troll. You be the judge.
<snip>
>
Astounding information. This explains a lot.
MaryL
animzmirot
more than apparent that "Mary" is not only the loony tunes moron most of us
assumed she was, but her MO is so amazingly transparent. She does the same
trolls with the same cast of 'supporters' and the same foul mouth on every
newsgroup she chooses to destroy.
I say to all the rpch+b posters who aren't associated with
Celeste/Nancy/Mary/LoonyTune that we all make a conscious decision to freeze
her and her buddies out. If we all refuse to respond, then we really can't
expect her to stay on, as she has more pressing things to do, like find and
attempt to kill another newsgroup. I like how r.p.c.a. does it, changing the
topic and ensuring that anything LoonyTunes says instantly turns to a
discussion of favorite trash TV shows or recipes or even what you're wearing
at the moment. Anything to shut her out (and up).
If you have a kill file, put her in it. If you're using OE, block her and
her cohorts as 'block sender'. Once we do this, she loses her audience and
will hopefully pull up stakes and move on.
But before we all do this, there's one more important thing to do. You know
what it is... and the information is left intact below. I'm sure the state
of NC would be so impressed to receive many many letters detailing
LoonyTunes behavior.
Thank you so much, Karma, for posting all this. Very enlightening and very
very sad. What a pathetic person LT must be, and her followers, well they're
even sadder.
Marjorie
>
> Personals (all public domain information, some provided by Nancy
> herself):
>
> From her resume:
>
> ncm...@nc.rr.com (She recently lost her RR account, so this email
> is no longer valid)
> 744 Currituck Drive, Raleigh NC 27609, USA
> Tel: (919) 637-0702
>
> The Coleman Group Inc
> 304 Glenwood Av, Raleigh, NC 27603
> (919) 828-5075
>
> Her Boss:
>
> Edwin Coleman, Jr.
> 425 N Bloodworth St
> Raleigh, NC 27604-1223
> Tel.: (919) 832-5014
>
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
>
> Husband that she met at alt.personals.fat
> <http://makeashorterlink.com/?W67615D6B>, oh wait, just kidding.
> Met probably at the Historical Society where they both work:
>
> Mark A Moore
> 744 Currituck Dr
> Raleigh, NC 27609-6320
> Tel.: (919) 510-9510
>
> Moore, Mark Anderson Archives & History
> Admin. 919-807-7292 Mark....@ncmail.net
>
>
>
> And all of this is just the tip of the iceburg...
>
>
>
Rhonda
Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help
group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go
out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were
just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how
you feel about honesty.
None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing.
Rhonda
Karma wrote:
> As a witness to the destruction and devistation that occurred
> years ago in rec.gardens.roses, I was quite interested to see what
> was happening when I was made aware that an eerily similar
> situation was happening in some of the cat groups. It only took a
> few moments to verify that the poster responsible for all of the
> garbage in the cats groups is the very same troll that invaded
> the rose group so long ago.
>
> These facts are posted as a public service so that you know what
> you're dealing with, especially if you plan on complaining to
> "Mary's" ISPs. *ALL* of the following information is public domain
> and was very easy to find.
>
> Mary S aka Nancy Carter Moore (and many more Usenet IDs, as you'll
> see) is a seasoned Usenet troll. You be the judge. This
> information is being shared with you to let you know that her
> mission since 1998 is to destroy newsgroups. Particularly groups
> in the Big Eight hierarchy. She has a problem with groups that she
> feels are a social group and sets out to make it her own private
> chat by bringing in troll friends to destroy it. If you've been
> reading this group for any length of time, the perpetrator should
> be obvious. She has already threatened to do the same thing to
> rec.pets.cats.anecdotes and rec.food.cooking now that she's been
> successful in rec.pets.cats.health&behav, and before that,
> rec.gardens.roses.
>
> Her antics in 2 Big Eight groups over what looks to be the last
> few years (rec.pets.cats.health+behav & rec.pets.cats.anecdotes)
> have resulted in history repeating itself. Nancy's only goal is
> to disrupt, turn regular posters against one another, and make the
> groups unreadable. She thrives on discontent and hatred. It seems
> that Nancy found this hard to do in rpca because it appears that
> the regulars have a "different" -and EFFECTIVE- way of dealing
> with trolls, and it seems she was actually liked by a few (who
> apparently hadn't seen the vicious side she showed on the other
> cat group). In rpch&b this obviously hasn't been the case. Since
> rpch&b looks to be borderline volatile, it was easy for her to
> disrupt by making "friends" with those who agree with her and
> making enemies of those she decides not to approve of, bring in
> outside troll friends, and then set in motion the wheels that spin
> her hatred, anger and unhappy life even more. This behavior is the
> same behavior that she's exhibited for years, as is evident in the
> quotes here.
>
> The links that follow prove that Mary has posted under numerous
> names, email addresses and accounts over the last several years.
>
> Some of "Mary"/Nancy's IDs and sock puppets. There are probably
> many more:
>
> Mary:
> ros...@email.com
> crazyabo...@yahoo.com
> ma...@catlover.com
>
> Celeste Meadowbrook / Joan Hunter:
> mrsh...@hotmail.com
> mrshu...@hotmail.com
> cmeado...@hotmail.com <http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2C536D6B>
>
> Shiva:
> sh...@awol.com <http://makeashorterlink.com/?T1572117B>
> hypatia...@cotse.net.invalid
> hypatia...@cotse.net
> hyp...@cotse.net
>
> ros...@hushmail.com
>
> Some of the links referenced below prove her identity based on the
> content of what she's posted, some prove it because of the common
> phrases she uses no matter "who" she is posting as. She delights
> in posting personal information of others and seems to think she
> is untouchable with regard to her own personal information. Her's
> are all listed at the bottom of this article.
>
>
> The following links are irrefutable evidence that Mary, Celeste,
> Shiva, Joan, etc are all really Nancy Carter Moore trolling Usenet
> under different names for literally years.
>
>
> ***Disclaimer***
> All cited references from Google are linked using the service of
> makeashorterlink.com. If you click a link, you have the
> opportunity to close the window before the final source URL is
> loaded.
> ***/Disclaimer***
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> These are some very recent threats made by Mary aka Nancy Carter
> Moore. Hiding behind anonymous news servers doesn't make one as
> anonymous as one might think, though it may make them bold enough
> to make threats like these:
>
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1E42517B
>
> <<
> From: "Mary" <m...@catlover.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> References: <ThFAe.113936$yV4.97240@okepread03>
> Subject: Re: In Support of Monica Towle, Animal Abuse Advocate
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:12:12 -0400
> Message-ID: <42d3271f$1...@x-privat.org>
>
> There is not much I can do, but I tend to be resourceful so the
> parties involved may rest assured that I will do everything I can
> to see that this intolerable, cruel, and abusive situation is
> resolved as soon as possible. Happily, the identities of the
> parties involved are a matter of public record.
>
> Dan Mahoney, his wife Nancy Mahoney, and Monica Towles will be
> held responsible for what happens to this cat.
>
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> Another recent threat
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?X3F42317B
> <<
> From: "Mary" <m...@catlover.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
> Subject: Re: Don't be fooled...
> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:20:59 -0400
> Message-ID: <42d3d...@x-privat.org>
>
> Those of you who are telling me to "take this offline" had better
> think about what you are saying. It really is not a good idea.
>
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> Now she is threatening to destroy rec.pets.cats.anecdotes - a
> perfectly friendly group; an anomaly on Usenet - by bringing in
> newly created troublemakers and a few old troll friends.
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2053417B
>
> <<
> From: "Mary" <ma...@catlover.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
> Subject: Re: Conan adopted by triple-PhD family with 12,000 sq.
> ft. home! Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:53:48 -0400
> Message-ID: <42d9657d$1...@x-privat.org>
>
>>"Candace" <macca...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:1121538603.4...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>
>>>Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>That is the issue that gives rise to my continuing interest
>>>>in Dan's Usenet career. Rather than be upset, I think it is
>>>>better just to hang out in RPCA and warn newbies about what
>>>>a shithead Dan is. It will be fun and entertaining.
>>>>
>>>Only problem with that is there are hardly any newbies in the
>>>Stepford Group. Their clique-y-ness and inside jokes/info
>>>make it user-unfriendly to most new people who venture in
>>>there.
>>>
>>>
>
> But you know, this could change. It may be time for it to change.
> It is never good for people to get to proprietary over newsgroups.
> One would not want the sweet people at anecdotes to truly believe
> that they have a right to control the content of the group. That
> would not be fair to them. It would only mean a ruder awakening
> later on. There are, after all, anecdotes about cats in many
> groups. We wouldn't want the rpca folks to miss any.
>
> Another thought: when they post recipes, I think we should
> share them with the cooking groups! We could make many
> more people happy this way!
>
> Spreading happiness is a good thing. :) I am feeling happier
> already.
>
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> History
>
> The groups that Mary, I mean Nancy has trolled are varied and
> diverse, including rec.gardens.roses, alt.suicide.holiday,
> alt.hahaha, alt.genealogy. Her "home" group was alt.troll.
>
> How did this outing get started? Read the following post and
> you'll see how Mary outed herself. Her beloved Gnarly is now over
> the rainbow bridge, but Buddha is alive and well. Remember the
> name of her friend Suzanne. It will be important later:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?D1F551D6B
>
> <<
> From: Celeste <mrsh...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Roses from Paradise
> Date: 1999/10/28
> Message-ID: <3818878D...@hotmail.com>#1/1
> Newsgroups: rec.gardens.roses
>
> Hey, Suzanne, I'm amazed, Scentimental, Octoberfest, Nicole and
> Jude the Obscure all arrived this morning, and you just mailed
> them Tues. afternoon!! They are in great shape, all handling
> parties apparently heeded your "this end up" commands, and they
> will be in the ground by Saturday morning. (I have meetings and a
> lonnng fundraiser/dinner tonight, but they get first priority
> tomorrow.) Buddha and Gnarly thank you for the gourmet tidbits,
> also. By the way, did you know that you left one of your bakery
> aprons in the bottom of the box? I'm guessing that was a chocolate
> eclair day? :)
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> "Mary" got her start posting to alt.hahaha in 1998 as Nancy
> Carter, her real name, well, maiden name. Here under her real name
> are also her first posts to the genealogy groups --
> alt.genealogy.methods and alt.genealogy. Her work is research for
> genealogy. At first glance she seems like a pleasant poster. There
> are too many of her posts to go through during the brief months
> that she posted as Nancy Carter <nfca...@worldnet.att.net> to
> see exactly why she wasn't considered a pleasant poster, but
> notice that many other members have decided that her
> behavior is trollish:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?X14523D6B
>
> Even after changing Usenet names a year later, she still
> frequented alt.hahaha as "Celeste" with the same venomous attitude
> and sociopath behavior.
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Here we find her learning how to troll on alt.troll:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?S45523D6B
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> We know she's a genealogy weenie from her posting history in the
> genealogy newsgroups.
> Nancy's resume:
> http://genealogypro.com/nfcarter.html which now redirects to the
> current ad):
> http://genealogypro.com/ncmoore.html
> If this has been removed, try archive.org:
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://genealogypro.com/nfcarter.html
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Here is a previous outing of Nancy Carter Moore from the archives.
> Yes, she's been at this for years.
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L18523D6B
>
> <<
> From: News Reader <news_readerNOneS...@gurlmail.com.invalid>
> Subject: Re: Disruptive Troll Warning!
> Date: 2000/04/17
> Message-ID: <19cd763f...@usw-ex0105-037.remarq.com>#1/1
> Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
>
> In article <38F9FEE8.21E3F...@hotmail.com>, Celeste
> <mrsh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>News Reader wrote:
>>
>>>>Be nice or I will take away your meds.
>>>>
>>>Would they be the ones that Nancy's on? You remember Nancy,
>>>Nancy Carter, Nancy Carter Moore, nfca...@worldnet.att.net
>>>(when she forgets to take the "celeste-type meds"?)
>>>
>>>
>>Oh!! You have me! That's me, all right. Oy!
>>
>
> Yeah, you never should have posted from those "clear" AT&T
> modems in Raleigh back in March. Eventually you all trip
> yourselves up (even changing to your married name in, oh, when
> was it? March, April 98?)
>
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N57512D6B
>
> <<
> "Part 1: After kicking the rose people, the 'fat' people, the cat
> people, the teeny-bopper people, the wienie-chopper people,
> the comedy people, the suicide people, the troll people, the
> depressed people, and only DEJA knows what OTHER people for year
> after year.....and THEN being OUTED....then being
> EXPOSED...........then being DRAGGED OUT from the wall of altopia
> anonymity you are still PATHETICALLY CLINGING TO, you cannot just
> one day come clean and ALL IS FORGIVEN just because you tell STILL
> ANOTHER LIE. No, Madame Bitterfly, things don't work that way.
> The chickens have come home to roost!!! "
>
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> Trolling suicidal people is another of Nancy's favorite pasttimes:
>
> While ASH isn't a suicide support group, it is frequented
> by teens and others that are either suicidal, or curious about the
> act. "Celeste" has been quoted as "egging on" a suicidal person
> to complete the act.
>
> There are many more like this one:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2A512D6B
>
> <<
> From: Celeste <mrsh...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Suicide partner
> Date: 2000/02/09
> Message-ID: <38A0F086...@hotmail.com>#1/1
> Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
>
>
>>Hello a.s.h. readers,
>>
>>This is my first posting to this newsgroup, so if this message
>>is inappropriate for this group, please accept my apologies.
>>Also, this message is only for people determined to kill
>>themselves, so if this is not your desire, you can stop reading
>>now.
>>
>>I am planning on committing suicide, and I've been thinking
>>about this for quite some time (years), it's not some impulse
>>decision. But, and this may sound a bit bizarre to some I guess,
>>I would like to do this together with someone else. So, if
>>someone else has similar wishes, please get in touch with me. I
>>live in Norway, so it would be best if you live somewhere near
>>(by this I mean Northern Europe, I am willing to do some
>>travelling / alternatively pay for your ticket to get here, if
>>funds are tight)
>>
>>Any serious replies are welcome, send me a mail and we can
>>arrange it. Do-gooders and trolls, save yourself the trouble and
>>go on to the next posting.
>>
>>Yours,
>>Dan
>>
>>
>
> You are really fucked up, and a wusssssss, too.
>
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> After doing some digging I discovered that she resumed her trolling to
> the genealogy groups as Genjunkie and Mary.
>
> Near the end of the genealogy group era when she was basically
> "ignored" out, she found the cat groups and posted for a while as
> Mary <ros...@email.com> but when she lost her Road Runner
> account, changed it to Mary <crazyabo...@yahoo.com>, and
> then later to her current ID as Mary <ma...@catlover.com> and
> there was even a SPAM block in the domain to make it
> <ma...@NOSPAMcatlover.com> just for a little mix. Mary S is for
> Mary Smith, her husband (Mark) is referred to as John Smith. How
> cute.
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Sex change? Check it out!!1!!
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2B525D6B
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?R29512D6B
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> <<
> From: tsunam5...@aol.com (Tsunam5724)
> Subject: Re: Message for Theoni Kallandra
> Date: 1999/07/05
> Message-ID: <19990704232922...@ng-ci1.aol.com>#1/1
> Newsgroups: alt.support.srs
>
> Seven wrote:
>
>
>>I am sorry to hear of your troubles. I don't know if it is or
>>isn't the same Celeste that used to post here, but if it is, you
>>should know that she won the KoTm award last July or August
>>(usenet Kook of the Month).
>>
>
> heheh, that news does not surprise us in the least. And believe
> me, it _is_ the very same Celeste - we've read through a number of
> her posts on this group (under the Celes...@usa.net screen name),
> and can verify this is the same person - well versed, but totally
> crazy.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> It's incredible how such an insane person as this "Celeste" can
> actually be permitted to give advice to new transexual's. IMO,
> the last thing people need...those who are struggling with
> identity problems or whatever....is an insane creature such as
> "Celeste" in their life. Anyway, Seven - we thank you for your
> help and concern.
>
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> Nancy and her troll friends have often been the subject of
> conversations at the NANAU news group.
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2E542D6B
>
> <<
> From: Rebecca Ore <rebe...@ogoense.net>
> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
> Subject: Re: Another Hipcrime flood...
> Date: 29 May 2001 12:31:53 -0400
>
> "Any one who goes in and deliberately infuriates people and does
> so for years on end, I really don't have a whole lot of sympathy
> if it leaks out beyond usenet. Growing roses is part of the real
> lives of the people in rec.gardens.roses. Some of them are Usenet
> saavy; most are not. They're not interested in playing flamer
> games; they're interested in meeting other rose group people.
>
> Someone decided a group dedicated to discussing roses was so rude
> to her that she had to destroy it.
>
> And has been so obscessed with the group that she's hammered on it
> for over two years. The people I know think that the one thing
> that keeps the stalking from becoming something like David
> D'Amato's stalking is that they do know who the person is in RL."
>
> I don't I blame them for thinking this. They're not despammers,
> they're not abuse fighters, they don't hang out in the flame
> groups. They didn't volunteer to have their lives invaded by the
> levels of crap they've had hit them. If someone wanted to
> vandalize their newsgroup for years on end, would it stop with
> just vandalizing their Usenet space, or would this go to
> vandalizing more than that?
>
> And why should they believe in flamer ethics?
>
> Maybe the boundaries were firmer than they thought, but I believe
> this person was capable of going further. Given that the person
> has decided she had the right to destroy a Usenet Big Eight group
> because people who were using it at a given point in time were
> rude to her, I can see why they might have worried that the
> activities wouldn't stop with binary floods, text floods, and, as
> it appears, NewsAgent runs.
>
> If a person is willing to back away from condoning these things,
> stops posting addresses of people and their spouses, and plays
> better, even if not completely nice, I am in favor of giving them
> additional chances. But "I'm going to run NewsAgent here because
> they were rude to me" isn't acceptable to me.
>
>
> --------end copy&paste----------
>
> Some very good advice from NANAU. Any group that Nancy
> becomes involved in turns into a troll haven. Now, 5 years later,
> RGR hasn't really recovered from the mess it was when Nancy was
> actively involved. Do you want the cat groups to become like that?
>
> Read the whole thread. Good read.
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2945617B
>
> <<
> From: Rebecca Ore <rebe...@ogoense.net>
> Subject: Re: Whatever you call it, how can we stop it?
> Date: 2000/07/31
> Message-ID: <m37la2a...@pyrophore.ogoense.net>#1/1
> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>
> Stephen K. Gielda <s...@cotseNOSPAM.com> writes:
>
> [Stephen's full post is pasted in because it's important here]
>
>>If you post headers I'm sure someone will translate them for
>>you. But I poked my head into that newsgroup and from what it
>>looks like you will never get rid of them.
>>
>
>>The reason: No one can sit on their fingers and ignore them,
>>everyone has to respond. What that does is escalate it and
>>invite more trolls. It's so bad it is hard to tell who is
>>trolling who and I'm sure that is what any isp you complain too
>>is going to see. If you want it to stop you have to get the
>>group to stop responding.
>>
>>It's amazing, a simple concept but so many groups are truly
>>incapable of not responding. For that they bring it on
>>themselves.
>>
>
> Rec.garden.roses is one of the most studied news groups by
> trollogists and trolls of any on Usenet. I've seen 5 page reports
> on the dynamics there. The irony is that a group of rosarians
> decided that the place was their social home, not a place for
> random strangers to ask newbie questions about roses. Discussions
> of everyone's pets were preferable to having messy neos tracking
> around the place. Running neos off worked until one proved to be
> a troll with roses.
>
> The group worked very hard to get its new playmates, and was told
> from the beginning (last year) that the only cure was to not
> respond to trolls and not to run off newbies who were interrupting
> their conversations about their golf games to ask rose questions.
>
>
Mary
"Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
news:42DDD1A0...@attremovethis.net...
> There is a lot of stuff here.
>
> Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help
> group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go
> out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were
> just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how
> you feel about honesty.
>
> None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing.
>
Rhonda, like the poster said, you decide for yourself.
You've read my posts now for a while. Am I here to disrupt
the group? And believe me, I am no gardener. When would I
have time?
What I love is that Cheryl put all this time into building a case
for this. She has been swearing that I am "someone else"
"playing" the group for the year or so that I have been posting.
And do I seem suicidal to you?
There is a long history of people calling those they do not
like "trolls." You've seen it. You have a good head on your
shoulders, and I have no doubt you will use it. :)
Mary
>
> Mary, is this real?
I just thought of something that ought to ease your mind, if you are buying
any of this.
Do you remember Greg, the San Diego guy who I talked with for over an hour
on the
telephone about adopting Conan? Well, he asked if we could talk via
telephone and I sent
him my number.
When he called, my husband answered the telephone. You can always email Greg
and ask
him who he asked for when he called me. :)
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~
Rhonda, with the good head on your shoulders... think and re-read Karma's
LOOOOONG email. Tooooooo many co-inkydinks. Tooo many ISPs that ring
BINGO. Nancy is back pedaling up the shit creek w/OUT a paddle now!!
Oh, I wouldn't believe a puff of smoke from your ass, Mary. Do ya normally
hang out in the cooking news group and post to alt.k00ks in the same post?
No. But you did for a reason. It was to stir up shit for a cat group. And
your silly self thinks that Rhonda or any other smart person won't see
through your (ahem) "bad Karma".
Face it, Nancy... you're fucked!!!
--
L.
>
>
Kitkat
>
>
> Astounding information. This explains a lot.
>
> MaryL
Yeah. And I read it on the internet, so it *must* be true.
Karma must have a lot of time on her hands (I'm sure it is a she...way
to petty to be a male) to have all that crap documented. Lots of people
do stupid shit on the internet. You'll never stop them. Who cares
anyway. Just be smart out there and take everything with a grain of salt.
Kitkat
Rhonda
> "Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
>>Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help
>>group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go
>>out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were
>>just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how
>>you feel about honesty.
>>
>>None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing.
>
> Rhonda, like the poster said, you decide for yourself.
I will, Mary. Like I said, no one here is an angel but this is too much.
I need to know that the people I deal with are basically good human
beings. Trying to get someone else to commit suicide is not a game.
If these allegations are not true, you'd better sue for libel because
this is a big one.
Rhonda
Rhonda
you treat others and what's going on inside. I need to hear you say that
this stuff is not true -- that you didn't try to get someone else to
commit suicide and that you didn't bring up someone's fathers' death to
get even with them over a post.
I do believe you love cats and genuinely wanted to do good for Conan.
Rhonda
Mary
> I don't care if your name is Nancy or Mary or Celeste. I care about how
> you treat others and what's going on inside. I need to hear you say that
> this stuff is not true -- that you didn't try to get someone else to
> commit suicide and that you didn't bring up someone's fathers' death to
> get even with them over a post.
None of that is true, Rhonda. But I think you know that. Your instincts
are better than that.
>
> I do believe you love cats and genuinely wanted to do good for Conan.
>
Of course I do, and sure I did. ;)
Mary
"Kitkat" <kitka...@aol.commie> wrote in message
news:IRkDe.1192$lX2...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
It's Cheryl! Or maybe Megan or a joint effort. Bet they're all Googled
out now.
mlbriggs
At this point I am wondering if anything is honest. That information
sounds biographical if not autobiographical. MLB
-L.
Rhonda wrote:
> I don't care if your name is Nancy or Mary or Celeste. I care about how
> you treat others and what's going on inside. I need to hear you say that
> this stuff is not true -- that you didn't try to get someone else to
> commit suicide and that you didn't bring up someone's fathers' death to
> get even with them over a post.
>
> I do believe you love cats and genuinely wanted to do good for Conan.
>
> Rhonda
Rhonda, read the data. It is there in black and white. How many
people do you know who have two cats named Buddah and Gnarly? Her
email address was ROSEFAN when she first came here. She has posted in
the rose group using that name. This is HUGE, and if there was any
doubt about this psycho's true nature, it is now absolutely gone.
There is link after link after link to her. You'd have to be blind not
to see it.
And what is she going to do? Admit to it? Of course not. That's how
trolls work.
She deserves nothing but a killfile, because quite simply, she's
dangerous. Protect yourself.
-L.
Snittens
"Mary" <ma...@catlover.com> wrote
>
> Dumplin', I am all brown thumbs. But I love these
> conspiracy theories. :)
>
>
Just curious, but didn't you used to post under "rosefan" on this group?
Look, I have no problem with someone posting under a fake name. But this
does all seem very bizarre.
-Kelly
Philip
She's eat the cat alive.
"animzmirot" <marg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3k6120F...@individual.net...
Philip
Well it's public knowledge now!
Philip
"Mary" <ma...@catlover.com> wrote in message news:42ddd...@x-privat.org...
>
> "Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
> news:42DDD1A0...@attremovethis.net...
>> There is a lot of stuff here.
>>
>> Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help
>> group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go
>> out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were
>> just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how
>> you feel about honesty.
>>
>> None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing.
>>
>
> Rhonda, like the poster said, you decide for yourself.
>
> You've read my posts now for a while. Am I here to disrupt
> the group? And believe me, I am no gardener. When would I
> have time?
You are here to disrupt this group and any other wherein you can stir up
shit.
I had your ticket right from the beginning.
Philip
"Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
news:42DDD1A0...@attremovethis.net...
Philip
honorable? If you do, then you are little more than a confused little girl.
"Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
news:42DDDD30...@attremovethis.net...
Philip
>
> "Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
> news:42DDDD30...@attremovethis.net...
>> I don't care if your name is Nancy or Mary or Celeste. I care about how
>> you treat others and what's going on inside. I need to hear you say that
>> this stuff is not true -- that you didn't try to get someone else to
>> commit suicide and that you didn't bring up someone's fathers' death to
>> get even with them over a post.
>
> None of that is true, Rhonda. But I think you know that. Your instincts
> are better than that.
>
Good gawd .... Mary/Nancy/Celeste is seducing Rhonda.
-L.
You are lying again! You posted *here* as ros...@email.com at the same
time you were posting to rec.gardens.roses. It's *all* in the archive.
You are so fucked up, you don't even remember what you have posted,
where.
-L.
Mary
"Snittens" <snit...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:FqydnSh4MJC...@comcast.com...
>
> "Mary" <ma...@catlover.com> wrote
> >
> > Dumplin', I am all brown thumbs. But I love these
> > conspiracy theories. :)
> >
> >
>
> Just curious, but didn't you used to post under "rosefan" on this group?
Axel. I am a major G&R and Kurt Cobain fan.
> Look, I have no problem with someone posting under a fake name. But this
> does all seem very bizarre.
>
It is supposed to. :)
-L.
Mary wrote:
> > Just curious, but didn't you used to post under "rosefan" on this group?
>
> Axel. I am a major G&R and Kurt Cobain fan.
You are a fucking idiot. You posted at the *very same time* to
r.p.c.h+b AND r.g.r. under the name "Mary" and email address
ros...@email.com. Anyone can google it and find you.
-L.
Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
>There is a lot of stuff here.
>
>Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help
>group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go
>out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were
>just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how
>you feel about honesty.
>
>None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing.
HORK!
I suspect the worst may be true. But who cares? Mary didn't
orchestrate Dan and Monica's sleazy performance. She picked up on it
and ran with it. That is why I couldn't believe, at first, that Dan
was lying. It just seemed crazy that he would set up someone like
Mary -- or me, for that matter. I didn't know anything about Mary's
history at that point, but I could see she was a dedicated Usenet
fiend.
Do a google groups search for "despair my ass" in the subject header
in seattle.general. I posted it after the infamous day when Seattle
was tied up from one end to the other by a woman on a bridge who
ultimately jumped and survived. It actually split into several
threads, I think, but that was the first one.
I sure got the hate mail over that one. A number of people wrote and
I got ISP complaints too, which doesn't usually happen in the seattle
hierarchy. One guy wrote this long, tormented email, wondering how he
could prepare his children to live in a world populated by people as
cold-hearted as me. He was less angry than demoralized by the
villianous tone of my comments. Ultimately I apologized publicly
because I felt so bad about how I made people feel.
Another one -- look for "promise keepers" as a string inside the text
in rec.pets.dogs.behavior. On the day before Christmas the guy wrote
me this email in which he explicitly threatened to find out where I
live and hunt me down and kill me. I wrote back, "I'm sorry you got
so mad, but you're using your real name. What would happen if I
pretended to take you seriously?" He wrote back, "I'm so sorry, I'm
just having a real rough time of it these days..."
It was because of those kinds of experiences that I gradually calmed
down. I love a flame war, but I don't want to really ruin someone's
day, usually. That's why most of the really outrageous stuff I posted
is a few years old.
But along come Dan Mahoney and Monica Towle, and I just happen to get
mixed up in it, and Mary just happens to get mixed up in it too. Once
that happens, what else can we do?
Charlie
Mary
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@users.easynews.com> wrote in message
news:2eqrd1hdlhkcftb0q...@4ax.com...
Philip started the whole thing. If he just had not sent those glowing
posts about this great big red cat, then told us he had returned him.
Tell me this: do you really think we may rest assured that Conan/Dylan
is in a good home?
Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
>Mary wrote:
>
>> "Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
>
>
>>>Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help
>>>group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to go
>>>out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were
>>>just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how
>>>you feel about honesty.
>>>
>>>None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing.
>>
>> Rhonda, like the poster said, you decide for yourself.
>
>I will, Mary. Like I said, no one here is an angel but this is too much.
> I need to know that the people I deal with are basically good human
>beings. Trying to get someone else to commit suicide is not a game.
I think that post written to elicit sobs of outrage from sanctimonious
and decidedly non-suicidal readers. As an incitement to a suicide
pact, it offers little to grab hold of, with no mention of motive or
philosophy but rather a practical discussion of logistics. What truly
suicidal person is going to follow that train of thought?
You have to face facts, Rhonda. Post a message to Mary, and she will
respond immediately. I'm almost as bad. What does that say about us?
That we want everyone to get along, so we have nothing interesting to
read or post about ourselves???
Personally, I'm gonna troll the shit out of anecdotes with animal web
pages this summer. Every one will have a midi file chosen for its
emotional impact. Dan ain't gonna slither away on a line of bullshit
about threatening phone calls. As far as I am concerned, he has
greatly compounded his issue with me by throwing out the inference
that one of us might have made this supposed phone call. Threats or
harrassment are not my style. Unlike some of these toddlers, I know
how to keep the sand inside the sand box, and I do.
>
>If these allegations are not true, you'd better sue for libel because
>this is a big one.
Libel has to damage a reputation. On Usenet, this thread amounts to a
big character endorsement.
Charlie
Mary
Charlie, you are missing the point! It is not about Conan, or what Philip
did, or Dan did. It is about me being Evil Incarnate.
Very glamorous.
Who am I to disagree?
Particularly when someone put so much work into the project.
Hee!
Alison
>> I do believe you love cats and genuinely wanted to do good for
Conan.
>
> Rhonda>>>
Hitler loved dogs :(
Alison
Alison
--"Kitkat" <kitka...@aol.commie> wrote in message
news:IRkDe.1192$lX2...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>> >>
> Yeah. And I read it on the internet, so it *must* be true.>>>
Unless you don't want your posts to be archived everything you post
is recorded
on Google. It's there for the record, so in that sense I read it
on the Internet is true.
Alison
>
>
>
Candace
> You have to face facts, Rhonda. Post a message to Mary, and she will
> respond immediately. I'm almost as bad. What does that say about us?
> That we want everyone to get along, so we have nothing interesting to
> read or post about ourselves???
All I can say is I find it fascinating. Wish I didn't have to go to
bed now; it's better than any mystery novel. I'm sure I'm naive in the
ways of usenet since rpchb is really the only place I've posted for my
whole usenet experience but this is an exciting turn of events.
*Most* interesting.
And I can see why one with this particular career might say they love
their job; not your run-of-the-mill profession.
Reluctantly heading to bed and looking forward to what tomorrow in
rpchb might bring, I'll be dreaming of genealogical discoveries
unfolding in fragrance-laden, verdant gardens.
Candace
Alison
> > HORK!
>
> I suspect the worst may be true. But who cares? Mary didn't
> orchestrate Dan and Monica's sleazy performance. She picked up on
it
> and ran with it. That is why I couldn't believe, at first, that Dan
> was lying. It just seemed crazy that he would set up someone like
> Mary -- or me, for that matter. I didn't know anything about Mary's
> history at that point, but I could see she was a dedicated Usenet
The thing is Mary said she didn't post under other names or to other
groups .
Mary , Tracey etc tried to mislead RPCH&B by inferring that they were
still looking
for a new owner for Conan while arranging for Dan to take him from
the rescue and rehome him with you , Greg (sounds a nice guy ) or
Meghans sister. I think thats sleazy though AFAIR , you didn't think
it was necessary for Mary send this post so good on ya.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/browse_frm/thread/a3842b73cab1c152/495c2b32595c9d13?q=%22Adopt+this+great+cat%22&rnum=1&hl=en#495c2b32595c9d13
Alison
>
>
Mary
Beautifully put, Candace. ;) Did you know that genealogists must spend
many hours in courthouses, archives and libraries, poring over old records?
These places are only open during regular business hours. Anyone so engaged
must be up early in the morning and in bed early in the evening. That leaves
little time to play on the Internet in the wee hours.
Dig deeper. :) That is always where the good stuff is.
Alison
news:3k6120F...@individual.net...
> Why am I not surprised? After reading all the pertinent information
it is
> more than apparent that "Mary" is not only the loony tunes moron
most of us
> assumed she was, but her MO is so amazingly transparent. She does
the same
> trolls with the same cast of 'supporters' and the same foul mouth on
every
What amazes me is how rational people can and do support her.
Alison
>
>
Charlie Wilkes
???
I would not say the process ever advanced to the point where anyone
was arranging to have Dan take Conan to a particular home. Everyone
(including myself) realized I was the least acceptable choice.
Charlie
Alison
>> >
> > The thing is Mary said she didn't post under other names or to
other
> >groups .
> > Mary , Tracey etc tried to mislead RPCH&B by inferring that they
were
> >still looking
> > for a new owner for Conan while arranging for Dan to take him from
> >the rescue and rehome him with you , Greg (sounds a nice guy ) or
> >Meghans sister. I think thats sleazy though AFAIR , you didn't
think
> >it was necessary for Mary send this post so good on ya.
>
>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/browse
_frm/thread/a3842b73cab1c152/495c2b32595c9d13?q=%22Adopt+this+great+ca
t%22&rnum=1&hl=en#495c2b32595c9d13
> >
> ???
>
> I would not say the process ever advanced to the point where anyone
> was arranging to have Dan take Conan to a particular home. Everyone
> (including myself) realized I was the least acceptable choice.
>
It appears so from the private e.mails that Tracey posted here in the
Conan and Hysteria
and a Challange thread.
It's a shame your suitabilty keeps getting dragged up, though I
stand by what I said . I sure Tweaker is happy with you and you're
happy with him and that's the main thing.
Alison:)
>
>
>
Kitkat
Wow. Just wow. A comparison to HITLER? Crikey people. We have now hit a
new all time low. Congrats!
Mary
"Kitkat" <kitka...@aol.commie> wrote in message
It's time to invoke Godwin! Sieg Heil, baby!
I love drama. And what would drama be without drama queens? :)
Philip
srid...@aol.com
Oh, pfft. Get a grip. Alison posted tongue-in-cheek, probably referring
to Godwin's law.
Sherry
mlab...@yahoo.co.uk
outside the internet - that's so sad - I guess some people just have
too much spare time on their hands (if only, sighs)
Alison
news:S0sDe.4327$IG2....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>> >
> >
> >
> > Alison
>
> Wow. Just wow. A comparison to HITLER? Crikey people. We have now
hit a
> new all time low. Congrats!>>>
< SNORT > or <HORK> as Charlie would say.:) Anyway 'tis true!
Alison
Alison
>
>>
> I love drama.>>.
Exactly and you a drama out of a crisis.
Alison
Kitkat
Nazi/Hitler references lightly.
Candace
> Alison wrote:
> > Hitler loved dogs :(
> > Alison
>
> Wow. Just wow. A comparison to HITLER? Crikey people. We have now >hit a new all time low. Congrats!
Not really. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
It's a long usenet tradition. I *love* these learning experiences!
I'm not sure this thread is over, though. I kind of think not.
Candace
Kitkat
is far from over! ;)
Candace
> Beautifully put, Candace. ;) Did you know that genealogists must spend
> many hours in courthouses, archives and libraries, poring over old records?
> These places are only open during regular business hours. Anyone so engaged
> must be up early in the morning and in bed early in the evening. That leaves
> little time to play on the Internet in the wee hours.
True, I'm sure. But also true that work of this sort could be done in
spurts and that the compiling of the data into cohesive reports could
be done any time, day or night...I would surmise, anyway.
I have a friend who has consistently slept only 3-4 hours per night.
I've always envied all the extra time she has sucked out of life.
She's one of those hyper sorts. She actually has hyperthyroidism
(which is treated) but I don't know if that's a factor or if she just
has a very high metabolism.
Like I said, it's a fascinating story. I'm glad I don't have to go
into work until later today so I can do a little reading.
Candace
Alison
> srid...@aol.com wrote:
> > Whatever, Sherry. My grip is quite tight, thanks. I just don't
take
> Nazi/Hitler references lightly.>>
There are lots of things that people don't take lightly and are
referred
to on NGs. I said Hitler like dogs which is true and Mary said Sieg
Heil baby.
Your response to Mary is where exactly ?
This thread is about Mary and her deception and your diversion tactic
is not going
to stop responses about her.
Alison
Kitkat
sorry I was not privvy to the whole "Godwin's Law" before your Hitler
liked dogs post. Now I am.
Snittens
> Mary wrote:
>
>> Beautifully put, Candace. ;) Did you know that genealogists must spend
>> many hours in courthouses, archives and libraries, poring over old
>> records?
>> These places are only open during regular business hours. Anyone so
>> engaged
>> must be up early in the morning and in bed early in the evening. That
>> leaves
>> little time to play on the Internet in the wee hours.
>
> True, I'm sure. But also true that work of this sort could be done in
> spurts and that the compiling of the data into cohesive reports could
> be done any time, day or night...I would surmise, anyway.
>
Also, a lot of stuff that used to have to be done at the actual library,
courthouse, etc can now be done online. I traced my father's family back to
the 1770's when the family first came to the US entirely on the Internet. I
also went to the UVA archives online and they pretty much scan everything
and have it available for anyone to search. I found Civil War letters
written by an ancestor, all from my home.
Then again, I never hung out on the genealogy newsgroup, so what the heck do
I know?
-Kelly
Alison
"Kitkat" <kitka...@aol.commie> wrote in message
news:HquDe.4380$IG2....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>> >
> Yeah, I just read that very site. And I agree...I'm positive the
thread
> is far from over! ;)>>.
I agree with that! LOL
Alison
Candace
> Yeah, I just read that very site. And I agree...I'm positive the thread
> is far from over! ;)
Well, we needed something to fill in the gap now that the endless Conan
threads are dying away. We wouldn't want to just talk about cats,
would we? :)
Candace
Candace
> Also, a lot of stuff that used to have to be done at the actual library,
> courthouse, etc can now be done online.
Very, very true. It's amazing what one can find on the internet. I
think we just found that out.
Candace
Alison
"Kitkat" <kitka...@aol.commie> wrote in message
news:cDuDe.4391$IG2....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> > >
> Look, Alison. This is no "diversion tactic"...puhleeze.>>
I'm so very
> sorry I was not privvy to the whole "Godwin's Law" before your
Hitler
> liked dogs post. Now I am.>>>
I'm not the person who mentioned Godwin's law. You don't have to
apologise to me!.
So where *is* your response to Mary's offensive Sieg Heil , baby
comment then?
Alison
-L.
Mary wrote:
> Beautifully put, Candace. ;) Did you know that genealogists must spend
> many hours in courthouses, archives and libraries, poring over old records?
> These places are only open during regular business hours. Anyone so engaged
> must be up early in the morning and in bed early in the evening. That leaves
> little time to play on the Internet in the wee hours.
Oh Bullshit with a capital B, Nancy. Is this the lie you feed your
clients in order to bilk them out of more money? "Work" for
geneaologists is scarce, at best. How many people - or businesses for
that matter - do you know who hire a genealogist? NONE. Tracing
family histories isn't neuroscience - a LOT of people do it. And a
*ton* of it can be had online - there are tons of sites dedicated to it
and many people have *already done your work for you*. And you
yourself said you travel for business BY CAR - right up to Richmond to
check the VA records, right? Keep blowing the bullshit. You are just
digging yourself deeper.
-L.
-L.
You obviously haven't been paying attention. Read the OP. Search a
little yourself. She's definitely as menatlly fucked up as he was.
-L.
Kitkat
made the hitler comparison, you invoked the law. Right? And I went to
read up on Godwin's law BEFORE bothering to responding to Mary, since
clearly the whole thing went over my head. Okay? I'm done with the
Hitler/Godwin's Law/being offended.
Kitkat
able to orchestrate the mass murder of 12 million people?
Alison
>
> > Beautifully put, Candace. ;) Did you know that genealogists must
spend
> many hours in courthouses, archives and libraries, poring over old
records?
> These places are only open during regular business hours. Anyone so
engaged
> must be up early in the morning and in bed early in the evening.
That leaves
> little time to play on the Internet in the wee hours.
>
Good grief is that how its done in the US.?
I'm just researching my grandfather's family and use the national
archives on- line. You have to pay of course but it's saves a lot of
foot slogging.
Alison
>
Alison
> > >
> Maybe I still don't understand this whole stupid law thing, but if
you
> made the hitler comparison, you invoked the law. Right? And I went
to
> read up on Godwin's law BEFORE bothering to responding to Mary,
since
> clearly the whole thing went over my head. Okay? I'm done with the
> Hitler/Godwin's Law/being offended.>>
Actually, my comment wasn't meant to invoke the law, though I know of
it.
I don't think the fact that Mary loves cats, or alleges to love cats,
excuses her behaviour .
I have no argument with you personally:)
Alison
Alison
"Kitkat" <kitka...@aol.commie> wrote in message
news:zWuDe.4402$IG2....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> -L. wrote:
> > >>> Hitler loved dogs :(
> >>> Alison
> >>
> >>Wow. Just wow. A comparison to HITLER? Crikey people. We have now
hit a
> >>new all time low. Congrats!
> >
> >
> > You obviously haven't been paying attention. Read the OP. Search
a
> > little yourself. She's definitely as menatlly fucked up as he
was.
> >
> > -L.
> >
> Mary is as mentally fucked up as Hitler? You think she'd be willing
and
> able to orchestrate the mass murder of 12 million people?>>
Gals , shall we let this drop?
Alison
Kitkat
> "Kitkat" <kitka...@aol.commie> wrote in message
> news:WTuDe.4400$IG2....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Maybe I still don't understand this whole stupid law thing, but if
>
> you
>
>>made the hitler comparison, you invoked the law. Right? And I went
>
> to
>
>>read up on Godwin's law BEFORE bothering to responding to Mary,
>
> since
>
>>clearly the whole thing went over my head. Okay? I'm done with the
>>Hitler/Godwin's Law/being offended.>>
>
>
> Actually, my comment wasn't meant to invoke the law, though I know of
> it.
Well, I didnt even know of it til today. So, I'm still trying to figure
it out.
> I don't think the fact that Mary loves cats, or alleges to love cats,
> excuses her behaviour
I hear what you are saying.
> I have no argument with you personally:)
> Alison
Good to hear! i have no argument with you or anyone personally.
Honestly!! This is usenet! People might piss me off here and there, but
that is the extent of it. :-)
HAND,
Pam
Kitkat
Pam,
why am I still responding? LOL
Alison
> > > Gals , shall we let this drop?
> > Alison
> >
> >
> Serslah. Dropping it.
>
> Pam,
> why am I still responding? LOL>>
This is like being on the phone and arguing who's going to hang up
first <G>
Alison
Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
>Is this the same Celeste who trolled alt.adoption for years?
>
>..and that cunt Hypatia/Shiva is also Mary? Yeah I can see it.
>
>Wow.
It's circumstantial, but it sure fits.
I know nothing about Mary's life from her posts. The one thing I have
figured out is that she spends a lot of time scanning and working the
discussion. That is why I had trouble believing Dan would be so dumb
as to hand her a grudge. This is one lady who will pick up the
gauntlet in a big way.
But, she did pony up some cash for Conan's rescue (which was
returned). She can be devious, but she can also be matter-of-fact.
I'd say she's a sincere player, even if she has spent years on Usenet
in various incarnations.
Charlie
Candace
whitershadeofpale wrote:
> Then you've simply missed the posts with the details. I can tell you some
> basics about Mary.
> She lives with her husband, she doesnt like to cook,
Now, see, I thought she *does* like to cook.
> she has 2-3 cats,
2.
Candace
Justin L
wrote:
<snip>
Hey! Why wasn't this cross posted???
Gabey8
> "Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
>>Mary, is this real? Did you really pose as someone on the suicide help
>>group wanting to commit suicide in Norway and ask for someone else to
go
>>out with you? Did you post on alt.troll a few years ago that you were
>>just learning how to troll? I'm asking you up-front because I know how
>>you feel about honesty.
>>
>>None of us are angels, but this is so disturbing.
>
> Rhonda, like the poster said, you decide for yourself.
I will, Mary. Like I said, no one here is an angel but this is too much.
I need to know that the people I deal with are basically good human
beings. Trying to get someone else to commit suicide is not a game.
If these allegations are not true, you'd better sue for libel because
this is a big one.
Rhonda]]
Well, per her own post on RPCA...
[[So sure, let's go. Bring it to litigation. I haven't spent my mad money
for the past three quarters. :O)]]
That came from this post:
http://www.talkaboutpets.com/group/rec.pets.cats.anecdotes/messages/312554.html
Alison
news:vsbtd1l7d4jv7t6qs...@4ax.com...
> >
> It's circumstantial, but it sure fits.
> returned). She can be devious, but she can also be matter-of-fact.
> I'd say she's a sincere player, even if she has spent years on
Usenet
> in various incarnations.
>
> Charlie>>
She's not the only one who cared about Conan. Lot's of us
volunteered to donate
to a Conan fund.
It's not the fact that she has been other incarnations but the fact
that she trolls in other incarnations and denies it. She constantly
denies she has ever lied.
<< I have never lied in this group or in any other.>>
<<You have not proved that I have ever lied, and you can't because I
have not.>>
<<I am no liar. On the contrary, in claiming that I am, you are lying.
>>>
I guess from now on she can no longer say she isn't a liar.
When she's challenged on her statements she says she made a mistake
or back tracks .
Spot the difference -
<<I've never hung out anywhere but the cat groups as far as posting
goes,
but I read a lot of groups.>>
<< Anyone can google me and see that I have mostly posted in the
cat groups. I have not lied about a thing. I have posted in the asthma
groups too. >>>>
Not forgetting soc. geo, rec garden roses, misc. writing - screenplays
, alt folklore,
alt.2eggs. sausage.beans. tomatoes.2toast.large tea.cheerslove. (Good
grief.!)
You wrote <This is one lady who will pick up the gauntlet in a big
way.>
Charlie , it is much, much worse than that.
Her sheer viciousness is frightening and worst of all she wrote
*I am absolutely proud of every word I have ever written in a public
forum*
Alison.
Cheryl
rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:42ddd...@x-privat.org):
> What I love is that Cheryl put all this time into building a
> case for this. She has been swearing that I am "someone else"
> "playing" the group for the year or so that I have been posting.
I have a question for you, Nancy, since you're a professional
researcher. It's a 3 part questionaire:
a) Do you find yourself using intimidation and accusations in your
everyday fact-finding of research projects? and
b) Does that method often work out for you on a professional level?
and if not,
c) Do you resort to speculation -presented as fact- in the final
product to your paying customer?
After reading some of those posted links, I did some lookups of my
own. You know, that's what I do. Seriously, I find people like you
fascinating, though sickening. And the fact that you expose this
awful side of yourself to the public in the form of Usenet, and God
knows where else, is an added bonus for those of us who are
compelled to study your version of human nature. When did it start
Nancy? When you got married? It seems that way. I pegged you as a
troll from the beginning when you did INDEED post as
ros...@email.com both here and in the genealogy group. The funny
thing there and why I continued to watch you is that you carried on
threads with both your Mary personna and the Gengenie one. It was
bizarre to read. But, fascinating. lol
As for your comment about me asking you who you "used to be", well
now you know why I wondered. You made it clear that you'd been
posting in this group for years, yet there was never someone with
your venom that I remember since 2002 or so. Oh, I'd know "you"
anywhere. LOL You're too opinionated to lurk, so *if* you posted
here, I do believe I'd recognize your posting style. But Karma
posted a link that you trolled cat groups in the past, so maybe I
overlooked you. Maybe it was before my time. Whatever. I'm glad to
see you outed. You deserve it.
--
Cheryl
"The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with
baited breath." - W.C. Fields
-L.
whitershadeofpale wrote:
> Then you've simply missed the posts with the details. I can tell you some
> basics about Mary.
You knew her name wasn't Mary Smith and that her husband's name wasn't
John. Either that or you have to be incredibly guillable, and THAT,
you are not.
> She lives with her husband, she doesnt like to cook,
She posted once about some pork dish. I remember because I cook (and
cook well), but rarely cook pork.
> she has 2-3 cats, she
> travels often enough.
> What else, you want her bra size or something? Tax records? what? Income
> statments? LOL
You also know that since she's been busted, NANCY CARTER MOORE has been
remarkably quiet.
>
> Mary is fine, you know what? She might have multiple personalities
> Charlie...wooooooo...
>
> Yeah, in fact, I could be Mary
Nah. You drop way too much acid to be Nancy.
-L.
-L.
-L.
Rhonda wrote:
> I don't care if your name is Nancy or Mary or Celeste. I care about how
> you treat others and what's going on inside. I need to hear you say that
> this stuff is not true -- that you didn't try to get someone else to
> commit suicide and that you didn't bring up someone's fathers' death to
> get even with them over a post.
>
> I do believe you love cats and genuinely wanted to do good for Conan.
>
> Rhonda
Rhonda, if you still have doubts, Google search one of "Mary's"
favorite terms she uses when someone says she's vile, "damned
groupies", with her previous troll name "Celeste". You pull up two
posts by "Celeste" (mrshunter) in alt.suicide.holiday, the post pasted
below being one of them. What are the chances that this is anyone else
but "Mary" based on ALL the other data presented in the OP? This is
what nailed it for me.
-L.
***paste***
From: Celeste <mrshun...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Love letter from Wattie for Celeste
Date: 2000/03/16
Message-ID: <38D142DF...@hotmail.com>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 598438168
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References: <38D0E55E...@gengenp.rug.ac.be>
<v1q1ds4bv3b3vvcid...@news.yifan.net>
Organization: Altopia Corp. - Usenet Access - http://www.altopia.com
X-Accept-Language: en
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Smile wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:45:02 +0100, koen peeters
> <k...@gengenp.rug.ac.be> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Umm, someone asked me to send this for Celeste.
> >The author claimed to have no acces to the PC
> >right now, but as soon as he gets out....
> >anyway, allthough I never liked you Celeste,
> >I like my friend and do him a favor :
> >
> >>>especially for you<<<<
> >
> >Celeste
> >
> >I watch your video on my TV screen
> >My mind's in overdrive
> >You're being whipped, your arse is red
> >Being suspended by your breasts
> >
> >I love you, I love you
> >My little porno slut
> >
> >I love the smell of leather
> >You're my mistress of the night
> >I really want to own you
> >Your body, soul and mind
> >
> >Nipple clamps bite your skin
> >But your pain turns me on
> >Pubes are shaved
> >Your cunt is pierced
> >But it's your smashed-up face I love the best
> >
> >Lying on your back
> >Legs spread wide
> >Dildo between your legs
> >Now I rnake you beg
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Wattie
>
> Looks like Celeste got to you fools.
>
> SPNAK!!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly. Now they're having sexual fantasies about me.
Damned groupies.
***end paste***
MaryL
"Alison" <Ali...@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dbm0le$1cs$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
Just as you have indicated, a tremendous of information is also available
online in the U.S., and most of it is free. I once wanted to look up some
information on my great-great-great/many times over uncle, who won the
Congressional medal of honor in the Civil War. I typed in his name, and the
information popped up in about 10 seconds. My cousin has done a great deal
of genuine genealogical work, and she does much of it online. On the other
hand, she has also had to travel to libraries, archives, city halls, etc. to
obtain data that she could not obtain through the computer.
MaryL
Cheryl
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
(news:jduDe.4370$IG2....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com):
> srid...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Kitkat wrote:
>>
>>>Alison wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Rhonda" <san-...@attremovethis.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:42DDDD30...@attremovethis.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I do believe you love cats and genuinely wanted to do good
>>>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>Conan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Rhonda>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hitler loved dogs :(
>>>> Alison
>>>
>>>Wow. Just wow. A comparison to HITLER? Crikey people. We have
>>>now hit a new all time low. Congrats!
>>
>>
>> Oh, pfft. Get a grip. Alison posted tongue-in-cheek, probably
>> referring to Godwin's law.
>>
>> Sherry
>>
> Whatever, Sherry. My grip is quite tight, thanks. I just don't
> take Nazi/Hitler references lightly.
>
Heh. I guess this wasn't a reference to Hitler:
Charlie Wilkes
<Ali...@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Charlie , it is much, much worse than that.
That bad, eh? I don't know what to say. It's a crazy world, Alison,
and the more we learn, the crazier it gets. Sometimes I think you and
I may be the only two people in this newsgroup who are really playing
it straight. (You are playing it straight, aren't you?)
Charlie
Cheryl
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
(news:1121906496.2...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com):
> Rhonda, if you still have doubts, Google search one of "Mary's"
> favorite terms she uses when someone says she's vile, "damned
> groupies", with her previous troll name "Celeste". You pull up
> two posts by "Celeste" (mrshunter) in alt.suicide.holiday, the
> post pasted below being one of them. What are the chances that
> this is anyone else but "Mary" based on ALL the other data
> presented in the OP? This is what nailed it for me.
The thing that convinced me was seeing the names of her cats. I
think I even asked "Mary" when she first arrived, and she told us
she'd been posting for years here, why it was that I'd never seen
someone talk about their cats named Gnarly, Buddha and Cheeky? No
one can post here and not name their cats. No one. Sorry. It just
doesn't happen.
Philip
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@users.easynews.com> wrote in message
news:vsbtd1l7d4jv7t6qs...@4ax.com...
Satan is sincere. Napoleon was sincere. Katherine the Great was sincere. I
sincerely need to move my bowels twice a day. What's your point?
Cheryl
rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:42df0206$1...@x-privat.org):
> Cheryl <jlhs...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9699CAAAD559Ashads@ 216.196.97.136:
>
>> As for your comment about me asking you who you "used to be",
>> well now you know why I wondered. You made it clear that you'd
>> been posting in this group for years, yet there was never
>> someone with your venom that I remember since 2002 or so. Oh,
>> I'd know "you" anywhere. LOL You're too opinionated to lurk,
>> so *if* you posted here, I do believe I'd recognize your
>> posting style. But Karma posted a link that you trolled cat
>> groups in the past, so maybe I overlooked you. Maybe it was
>> before my time. Whatever. I'm glad to see you outed. You
>> deserve it.
>
>
> so THAT's why she knew you'd posted to ahm, and knows of others
> from that group and other groups where trolls cross paths.
>
> Mary IS Celeste/Nancy/Shiva/etc.
>
>
Of course. To all of your theories. Now I know why she made the
link, too. Though, I still think she just googled me for most of
it. It doesn't matter because no matter how much she tried to spin
it, I never trolled.
Cheryl
rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:42df0...@x-privat.org):
> "-L." <gent...@peacemail.com> wrote in
> news:1121876571.586305.270290 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> She's definitely as menatlly fucked up as he was.
>
> this from someone who taunts a fellow group member because her
> cat was accidentally burned
>
You're another interesting personality. Posting as both "boring" and
"interesting" LOL Intriguing.
animzmirot
oh, don't forget alt.infertility.parenting, where she tracked me, Lyn and
Kelly and said some incredibly insensitive and horribly insulting things to
me, including accusing me of wanting to "have a litter". She's a real piece
of work.
Interesting how she and her buddy Trish seem to have evaporated into thin
air. Wonder what their next plan of attack will be?
Marjorie
Rhonda
Charlie Wilkes wrote:
> I think that post written to elicit sobs of outrage from sanctimonious
> and decidedly non-suicidal readers. As an incitement to a suicide
> pact, it offers little to grab hold of, with no mention of motive or
> philosophy but rather a practical discussion of logistics. What truly
> suicidal person is going to follow that train of thought?
None. I do not get the mentality of an adult troll. I thought trolling
was pretty limited to teenage boys out on summer break. Kids with
pimples not knowing what to do with all of that new testosterone,
picking on newsgroups to feel like they have a tiny bit of power in
their lives. Who knew that it is fun for all ages?
> You have to face facts, Rhonda. Post a message to Mary, and she will
> respond immediately. I'm almost as bad. What does that say about us?
> That we want everyone to get along, so we have nothing interesting to
> read or post about ourselves???
Charlie, I don't understand trolling, but at least you are an honest
troll. You admit it. You mostly try to shock people, from what I can see.
> Personally, I'm gonna troll the shit out of anecdotes with animal web
> pages this summer. Every one will have a midi file chosen for its
> emotional impact.
Tell me if there is a fun part in that. Do you feel that whole group
needs to be punished?
> Dan ain't gonna slither away on a line of bullshit
> about threatening phone calls. As far as I am concerned, he has
> greatly compounded his issue with me by throwing out the inference
> that one of us might have made this supposed phone call.
This whole thing just makes me sad.
> Threats or
> harrassment are not my style. Unlike some of these toddlers, I know
> how to keep the sand inside the sand box, and I do.
Rhonda
Rhonda
I am disappointed with the rest of the stuff, I honestly think you'd be
screaming to high heaven if it were all lies.
If you are Nancy Carter Moore, and the one that I saw in the high school
yearbook on-line (Pacifica?), it's just hard for me to look at your
smiling face and think of some of the things that are written.
I know you get a kick out of the flare-ups with some people, but I never
in a million years would have guessed some of the things that I've read
from your posts. Other than cat-topics, I'm not sure when you are
telling the truth any more.
Rhonda
srid...@aol.com
Heh. That figures. Nothing like righteous indignation about the mere
mention of Hitler, from somebody who calls Monica the "Cat Nazi." Poor
widdle Kitkat, soooo sensitive.
Sherry
Kitkat
Kitkat
Geesh!!! This isnt much different from me not being wise about "the law
of whatever the fuck his name is" (Godwin?)...my remark was a direct
reference to a fucking TELEVISION SHOW.
Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
>
>Charlie Wilkes wrote:
>
>> I think that post written to elicit sobs of outrage from sanctimonious
>> and decidedly non-suicidal readers. As an incitement to a suicide
>> pact, it offers little to grab hold of, with no mention of motive or
>> philosophy but rather a practical discussion of logistics. What truly
>> suicidal person is going to follow that train of thought?
>
>
>None. I do not get the mentality of an adult troll. I thought trolling
>was pretty limited to teenage boys out on summer break. Kids with
>pimples not knowing what to do with all of that new testosterone,
>picking on newsgroups to feel like they have a tiny bit of power in
>their lives. Who knew that it is fun for all ages?
I know.
>
>
>> You have to face facts, Rhonda. Post a message to Mary, and she will
>> respond immediately. I'm almost as bad. What does that say about us?
>> That we want everyone to get along, so we have nothing interesting to
>> read or post about ourselves???
>
>
>Charlie, I don't understand trolling, but at least you are an honest
>troll. You admit it. You mostly try to shock people, from what I can see.
>
I usually am trying to make a point. The bridge-jumper posts, which
were the worst I ever wrote I think, were all about raising a question
that was completely absent from the media buzz -- i.e., how much
chaos is warranted to prevent one adult from doing what she wants to
do with her own life?
It's easy enough to troll into a group and piss off everyone by taking
a position that is sure to infuriate, like coming in here as a cat
hater. What takes more skill is to develop a position that has some
legitimacy, and expose consensus thinking to critical analysis.
Think about RPCA. People over there were mesmerized by Dan. That was
the consensus. Mary exposed it to critical analysis. I don't think
that's a bad thing. Dan is no villian, but he's not a trustworthy
character, either. He's a manipulator who tells people what he thinks
they want to hear, so they will like him. People might as well know
that if they are making arrangements with him in real life.
>
>> Personally, I'm gonna troll the shit out of anecdotes with animal web
>> pages this summer. Every one will have a midi file chosen for its
>> emotional impact.
>
>Tell me if there is a fun part in that. Do you feel that whole group
>needs to be punished?
What's not the fun part in animal web pages with cornball music???
>
>> Dan ain't gonna slither away on a line of bullshit
>> about threatening phone calls. As far as I am concerned, he has
>> greatly compounded his issue with me by throwing out the inference
>> that one of us might have made this supposed phone call.
>
>
>This whole thing just makes me sad.
I'm sorry you're so let down, Rhonda. But this is about a stray cat.
It's not about cheating people out of their money, or exploiting
lonely hearts, or anything like that.
Mary's game would not have worked so well had not Dan and Monica been
such utter buffoons. What if Dan had stuck with the plan we
discussed? Mary indeed had someone lined up to adopt Conan. She put
up the money. She had no way of knowing how it would play out.
I did not know the story on Mary, but I suspected a hanging tale of
this very sort. She posts from an unusual server, doesn't say much
about herself, responds to every message right away and is an
incessant flamer. So, I'm not surprised that someone comes along and
announces that Mary has been posting in groups for years under
different names, always stirring the shit. Why should anyone be
surprised?
As for destroying groups, one person can't do that without a lot of
accomplices.
And as for trolls, what about Philip? Did he just pop into Usenet
existence for the first time a few months ago, when he started looking
for a cat? Maybe so.
Charlie
Kitkat
Charlie...imo you are so spot on. Very interesting to read your POV.
Snittens
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@users.easynews.com> wrote
> What's not the fun part in animal web pages with cornball music???
OK, even I can get behind making corny, schlocky, sappy animal pages. Make
sure you use a MIDI of "Wind Beneath My Wings". Use as many animated GIF's
as possbile and join 5,000 webrings (do those even exist any more?).
-Kelly