cult
Paige N. La mar
Hi. My superviser and I were talking today at work, and he said that
last night (2/11/97), he say a show with john Walsh (He thinks thats who
it was) discussing a cult of sca-folk. Did any of you see this? I'm
curious about the show, and just how inaccurate it was.
Dana J. Tweedy
I'm not sure, but methinks he may have seen a re-run of the slash job
that "Unsolved Mysteries" did on the SCA several years ago. It involved
a case of a young man in California who was found dead under suspicious
circumstances. This man was an SCA member, as well as getting involved
with some wicca-like group. The Show presented the SCA as a scary
looking fringe group that met in a parking lot at night to hold fighter
practice. It didn't actually say the SCA was a cult, but it didn't give
a good impression either.
Karl Rasmussen of Tvede
Mike.Andrews
In article <5dtpid$1g...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
Pa...@facstaff.wisc.edu (Paige N. La mar) writes:
>Hi. My superviser and I were talking today at work, and he said that
>last night (2/11/97), he say a show with john Walsh (He thinks thats who
>it was) discussing a cult of sca-folk. Did any of you see this? I'm
>curious about the show, and just how inaccurate it was.
If you're referring to the "Unsolved Mysteries" segment on the
20-year-old who
. played D&D and SCA,
. got involved with a religion led by some fella with a Welsh
name,
. allegedly also got involved with a "Satanic cult" group,
. and whose body was found at the base of a cliff somewhere in
the Bay area,
that
. aired Tues. night about 1900 CST here in Oklahoma on Lifetime,
. showed a fighter practice in a parking lot in the Bay Area,
. and had an interview with Hilary of Serendip,
yes, I saw it, and some friends taped it.
I have no way to tell how accurate or inaccurate it was, but I
_did_ note that it took a careful listener to hear that the
narrator was making a distinction between the SCA and the
"Satanic cult" group.
Not necessarily _bad_ publicity, but by no means _good_
publicity, I fear.
--
Mike.A...@dsibm.okladot.state.ok.us
Michael Fenwick of Fotheringhay, O.L. (Mike Andrews) Namron, Ansteorra
Remember the ones you've lost; love the ones you have.
Lyle Gray
Mike.Andrews (UDS...@DSIBM.OKLADOT.STATE.OK.US) wrote:
: I have no way to tell how accurate or inaccurate it was, but I
: _did_ note that it took a careful listener to hear that the
: narrator was making a distinction between the SCA and the
: "Satanic cult" group.
: Not necessarily _bad_ publicity, but by no means _good_
: publicity, I fear.
Not only that, it's an _old_ segment...
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Lyle H. Gray gr...@cs.umass.edu (text only)
--(My opinions are my own, and do not represent my employer's opinions)--
raven
Paige N. La mar wrote:
>
> last night (2/11/97), he say a show with john Walsh (He thinks thats who
> it was) discussing a cult of sca-folk. Did any of you see this? I'm
> curious about the show, and just how inaccurate it was.
You mean we're a cult? WHY WASN'T I INFORMED???? I get tax breaks for
my various cult memberships...and I get to go on really neat talk shows
like, Late, Late, Late, Late, Later With Bob Generic!!
Who's in charge of memos around here?
A bit of sarcasm in the spirit of things...
Raven.
EXCMairi
<Hi. My superviser and I were talking today at work, and he said that
<last night (2/11/97), he say a show with john Walsh (He thinks thats who
<it was) discussing a cult of sca-folk. Did any of you see this? I'm
<curious about the show, and just how inaccurate it was.
Would this be the story that shows SCAdians at a fight practice in CA?
Something about a young man who fell off of a cliff, and his father was
hinting that the SCA had something to do with his death? If so, I think
that it doesn't show the SCA too badly, but it makes the pagans look bad!
Mairi
fla...@pobox.alaska.net
excm...@aol.com (EXCMairi) wrote:
>Would this be the story that shows SCAdians at a fight practice in CA?
>Something about a young man who fell off of a cliff, and his father was
>hinting that the SCA had something to do with his death? If so, I think
>that it doesn't show the SCA too badly, but it makes the pagans look bad!
>Mairi
That would be the one, all right. The lame thing is that the crime WAS
solved..a couple of punks having nothing to do with the SCA or the
alleged "semi-Druid" pagan group killed him when they decided they
wanted his armour...but nobody ever put that on tv. I heard it from
Hilary of Serendip some years back ...she refers to the show as
"unsolved fishwrap", as I have done ever since!
Flanna
Paul Kay
fla...@pobox.alaska.net wrote:
>
> excm...@aol.com (EXCMairi) wrote:
> >Would this be the story that shows SCAdians at a fight practice in CA?
> >Mairi
>
> That would be the one, all right. The lame thing is that the crime WAS
> solved..a couple of punks having nothing to do with the SCA or the
> alleged "semi-Druid" pagan group killed him when they decided they
> wanted his armour...but nobody ever put that on tv. I heard it from
> Hilary of Serendip some years back ...she refers to the show as
> "unsolved fishwrap", as I have done ever since!
>
> Flanna
So Hilary no longer twitches at the mear mention of "NBC"? About a year
later a Pennsic she went absolutly white when she heard that Garrik
Uttley wanted to do a short segment.
I remember hearing her speak about the show. They had a lot of time on
tape of her in her office talking and then used none of it. They also
were trying to get her to do the interview they did air in her (red)
arming cap. It looked more "demonic". Ambush yellow journalism at its
finest! No wonder the final result was not followed up. And no wonder
Hilary felt abused and angry.
Tell your supervisor to ignore it; it was tripe. Instead, if you can
find it, point them to the ESPN Amazing Games segment or the Discovery
Amazing America segment (or the Garrik Uttley segment, I hear it was
nice).
We have gotten some more fair treatment.
Bart the Bewildered
Carillion, East
--
Paul Kay
NCR
Lincroft, NJ paul...@lincroftnj.ncr.com
Chandra Savage
(much snippage)
> I remember hearing her speak about the show. They had a lot of time on
> tape of her in her office talking and then used none of it. They also
> were trying to get her to do the interview they did air in her (red)
> arming cap. It looked more "demonic". Ambush yellow journalism at its
> finest! No wonder the final result was not followed up. And no wonder
> Hilary felt abused and angry.
>
>
> Carillion, East
Anyone read the Media Rules for Estrella? They include:
*All members of the media must make prior arrangements with the Autocrat.
*All persons on site must wear garb.
*All members of the media who are not members of the SCA must be
accompanied by a media liason designated by the Autocrat --at all times--
*Permission to photograph or videotape within any encampment must be
obtained from that encampment.
I was reading through these thinking "why so strict?". Now I know...
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Christa Fulton
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.970217210738.16923A-100000@seds>,
One a mundaine didn't close the top hatch. It seems those in the SCA
have a clue about closeing doors so you don't fall through and those
that showup to look at us are a bit Dim on safty.
We also had mundaines walking in to line of fire with the balistas the
day before. Like I said Dim on safty.
Yours
Labhrainn
Clan Gallowglass
P.S. (We are Mercs for hire at the West/AnTir war.)
David M. Razler
cha...@SEDS.LPL.Arizona.EDU (Chandra Savage) wrote:
| Anyone read the Media Rules for Estrella? They include:
| *All members of the media must make prior arrangements with the Autocrat.
|
| *All persons on site must wear garb.
|
| *All members of the media who are not members of the SCA must be
| accompanied by a media liason designated by the Autocrat --at all times--
|
| *Permission to photograph or videotape within any encampment must be
| obtained from that encampment.
|
| I was reading through these thinking "why so strict?". Now I know...
|
Welll, let me tell you about this print reporter who went to Pennsic 19 and
went native on the 2nd day..... Actually *most* of us print reporters, and
some videotypes who go to Pennsic or cover a variety of other Society events
go native. We manage to accidentally run into each other and swap stories.
Most of us come from legit publications.
Since I didn't have anything but a still camera, I was able to conceal the
fact I was a reporter except to folks I told I was a reporter - which
constituted everyone I interviewed, hey I'm honest, you know? I also paid all
fees and behaved in full accordance with all the rules of the War.
Any media person looking to get a handle on the Society should be required to
participate in a minimal way - go to a feast, wear garb (to blend in and get
an understanding about what garb is), and be guided through some basic
activities to get a handle on the full range of activities, from heavy-weapons
fighting to period beading.
As for photography - outside of the public areas, it is a problem - at
Pennsic, the chronic problem is fotogs looking for nudity and oddity (by which
I mean things non-representative of the Society as a whole).
I would personally be even a bit stricter with the rules on the folks who just
want to drop in and go, barring all but heavilly steared video coverage and
folks who wish to come to enough of an event that they walk away understanding
who and what we are - folks who buy their way in and attend.
<btw> There'll always be bad journalists out there, ranging from Unsolved
Mysteries to Boy's Life. And there is nothing we will ever be able to do about
'em, if they leave and want to lie.
dmr/Aleksandr since Pennsic 19
David M. Razler
david....@worldnet.att.net
Elaine Crittenden
What's all the fuss? Just take our cues from the world of politics----and make
our own
Autocrat-approved publicity stills and videos and distribute them to whoever
of the media wants to use it. ---Well, it's an idea.... ;-)
...Elaine (Dallas TX) aka Lete bithe Spring (Steppes, Ansteorra)