Janet Jackson and American Slut Culture
Drakejake
reached over, grabbed Janet Jackson's bodice, and exposed her right breast (not
a pretty sight!). She was wearing a "pasty" which more or less covered her
nipple. Timberlake and Jackson falsely stated that the exposure was an
accident and unexpected. The truth appears to be that the exposure was
well-rehearsed and even approved in advance by CBS, which broadcast the
Superbowl. What does this event say about American culture?
This incident marks one more stage in the ongoing "sluttification" of American
life. By this I mean that the values, behavior, and apparel of street
prostitutes, strippers, coke heads, pimps, drug pushers, urban gang members,
etc., are being pushed onto the American people. I believe that someone named
Lil Kim appeared at a televised awards ceremony awhile back with one breast
exposed and the nipple covered by a pasty. Pasties are almost exclusively worn
by strippers as a concession to public indecency laws. There really is no
other purpose for wearing a pasty than to avoid being arrested for indecency.
The videos and performances of Britney Spears, Christine Aguilera, and various
other popular entertainers are marked by the skimpy clothing and suggestive hip
gyrations employed by strippers and the provocative clothing used by street
prostitutes to advertise their goods. The tattoos and body piercings exhibited
by rap and popular music performers are borrowed from the drug culture in its
various perverse and self-destructive guises.
Rap music is playing a major role in spread of slut-culture. First of all it
is the indigenous music of black urban thugs and explicitly states their
support of violence, hatred of police, criminality, cruelty towards women, and
generally debased primitiveness. This despicable garbage is now pervading all
of American culture by, for example, being used in advertising by major
American corporations. If you watch almost any television program you are
likely to be exposed to this horrible, arrogant, ignorant noise during the
programs and ads. More and more motion pictures are incorporating rap music
into their musical scores and into the previews and ads which precede the
showing of features in the theatre.
Slut culture is very much about the commercial exploitation of sex in every
possible way. Janet Jackson and many other actors and musicians have displayed
their bodies in magazines such as Playboy for money. Now we have tapes of
actual sex acts being performed by individuals in the public eye, such as Paris
Hilton and Pamela Anderson, being sold to the public. Sex acts are continually
being depicted in mainstream motion pictures starring respected actors, e.g.,
Sharon Stone and Michael Douglas in Basic Instinct.
Selling one's body for money or selling pictures of one's body for publicity or
professional advancement is a sign of the debasement of American social life.
In a prior age, the actions of people like Janet Jackson or Britney Spears
would have caused them to be ostracized and banned from public life. Now these
same actions bring desired publicity and increased adulation. OK, freedom is
good, but that doesn't mean that good taste must disappear or that the American
public must accept every cheap, vulgar thing which is thrown at them.
From a broader perspective, the slut culture ties into the widespread
abandonment of integrity and honesty in American life. Thus we have the
deplorable parade of corporate CEOs who have greedily looted their companies,
leaving their employees and stockholders impoverished. This same kind of
unscrupulous greed is seeping into all of the professions. Thus we find con
artists parading as holy men on television (televangelists). These crooks
promise that God will enrich those who send in their contributions, donations
which support the princely life-style of the religious scammers. A growing
number of physicians have been caught performing unneeded surgeries or being
paid to push specific medications onto their patients. The examples of
chicanery and abuse are almost endless.
In the face of this onslaught of degradation and vulgarity the Amercan people
need to ask themselves what kind of society is being constructed and where we
are heading. Americans must insist on high standards of morality and public
behavior, through law enforcement when appropriate or through private action
such as public expressions of opposition or boycotts of companies such as CBS
or Calvin Klein, which has attempted to exploit teen-age sexuality and even
child abuse in their ad campaigns. We must not unthinkingly accept the
lowering of public standards and the abandonment of integrity and self-respect
in American life..
Jake Drake
Mark D Lew
<drak...@aol.com> wrote:
> There really is no
> other purpose for wearing a pasty than to avoid being arrested for indecency.
True. Get rid of those damn indecency laws and there will be no more
pasties. I'm all for it. A good old-fashioned pretty nude beats the
stripper look any day.
Seriously, the "slut culture" you deplore has two parents, not one. It
results from the combination of enthusiastic voyeurism and puritanical
repression. Remove either one and the cultural attitude toward sex and
nudity becomes much more healthy.
> Rap music is playing a major role in spread of slut-culture. First of all it
> is the indigenous music of black urban thugs and explicitly states their
> support of violence, hatred of police, criminality, cruelty towards women, and
> generally debased primitiveness.
There's quite a bit of rap that doesn't have these themes. Will Smith,
for example, got his start doing cheerful rap with a positive message.
For that matter, even a lascivious song like Sir Mix-a-Lot's "Baby got
back" has zero mention of police or criminality and speaks *against*
violence and cruelty to women. As for "debased primitiveness", well,
that's a matter of taste, isn't it? I think there's something to be
said for getting primitive now and then.
The rap that does talk about violence and killing cops and all that rot
gets a lot of attention in part because it sells well, and sales
figures demonstrate that where it sells best is to suburban white
teens. Go figure.
> This despicable garbage is now pervading all
> of American culture [...]
Indeed.
> From a broader perspective, the slut culture ties into the widespread
> abandonment of integrity and honesty in American life. Thus we have the
> deplorable parade of corporate CEOs who have greedily looted their companies,
> leaving their employees and stockholders impoverished.
Aha, so *that's* why Enron scammed its shareholders! It was all
Britney's fault for wearing that skimpy top! Hey, can we file a class
action suit against her?
mdl
Feeding The Frenzy
> At the Superbowl yesterday, during the half-time show, Justin Timberlake
> reached over, grabbed Janet Jackson's bodice, and exposed her right breast (not
> a pretty sight!).
It wasn't a pretty sight for a guy in California;
California Man sues CBS, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake
CORONA, CA (Corona Times) - A man is suing CBS, Janet Jackson and
Justin Timberlake for an on-air incident involving the exposure of one
of Ms. Jackson's breasts.
Steve Bosell of Corona, California has filed a lawsuit claiming that
the incident left him physically ill, induced vomiting,
psychologically scarred his children and has ruined sexual relations
with his wife.
"I just couldn't believe what I saw during the Superbowl Halftime
Show. How could CBS allow Justin Timberlake to expose one of Janet
Jackson's breasts on the air?" Bosell said. "I had just eaten two
foot long sub sandwiches, which I bought at the local Subway sandwich
shop. When Janet's breast appeared on TV I became physically ill and
vomited before I could even make it to the restroom".
According to the lawsuit, filed within hours of the incident by
Riverside attorney Delores Blasingame, Mr. Bosell claims his children
were psychologically scarred because they were first frightened and
then laughed at him.
"My own children ran away from me screaming like I was some sort of
puking boogeyman who was coming to get them. After I finished
vomiting on the living room floor, the children realized I was in a
weakened, pathetic state and began to laugh at me. I am now in the
process of hiring psychiatrists for my children." Bosell said in a
strained voice.
"Later in the evening, my wife refused to be intimate with me after I
had cleaned up. When she finally agreed to be intimate and took her
top off in the dim light of our bedroom, all I could see was Janet
Jackson's big ugly breast with a metal star covering the nipple
staring back at me. Then to top it off, I swear that it morphed into
Michael Jackson's face! I suddenly realized I was still aroused with
Michael's face staring back at me. At this point my manhood totally
stopped working" Bosell said while breaking down sobbing. "I don't
think I'll ever be able to get it up again!"
CBS and representatives for Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake did
not return calls regarding Mr. Bosell's lawsuit.
"I demand compensation because CBS, Janet Jackson and Justin
Timberlake went absolutely out of their way to make me look like a
fool" Mr. Bosell said. "I am asking other people to come foward and
join my lawsuit against CBS, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake."
Mr. Bosell can be reached through his attorney Delores Blasingame at
1-800-449-8686.
Copyright 2004 - Corona Times
Claud H. Shirley III
> that's a matter of taste, isn't it? I think there's something to be
> said for getting primitive now and then.
>
As long as it doesn't hurt anybody else...?
Degeneration is what it is, no matter how you soft-shoe it.
Sailbad Sinner
>
You didn't ask for a European opinion, but you'll get one, free of
charge. One thing that amazes Europeans is that Americans make such a
fuss over nothing. A nipple exposed, sue them! Coffee spilt, sue them!
If you can't join them, sue them!
Europeans are used to wars, plagues and famines going to an fro all
over Europe (well, perhaps not "used to", but history is ever-present
anyway), and little incidents like an exposed nipple pass by
unnoticed.
Selling one's body? How is Janet Jackson selling her body? Does it
belong to someone else now? Showing a barely-covered nipple does
constitute prostitution, IMO. And even is she was selling (or renting)
her body, how is that any worse than selling (or renting) one's
brains, which I do every working day?
Leonard Tillman
There can be no doubt that Mr. Bosell would definitelly feel at home
here, and really ought to join RMO. Ms. Jackson has apparently helped
him, however inadvertently, to discover his true nature.
Leonard Tillman
anyone
What hits me is that obviously this incident will be "outdone" by
another incident that pushes the line further if there is no rule to
control such stunts.
As for your "amazement" at Americans, what do you think the "limit"
should be? Would it have been ok if Timberlake had whipped out his
d*** and shaken it at the audience and the millions of young boys and
girls who were watching tv? Would it be ok if he stood there and
masturbated?
Would you mind if a bunch of rang your doorbell and whipped down their
pants when your little daughter (if you have one) answers the door?
The "offense" wasn't so much the boob. It occured in the wrong place
at the wrong time. Parents had no warning that anything like this
would happen on this channel.
I am the parent of one child. We largely keep our TV (when the child
is around) tuned to Disney Channel and Nickelodeon (a Viacom station).
Those are KIDS channels. It is "understood" that Timberlake is not
going to appear on that channel and whip out his d*** or start
screwing Janet Jackson, etc etc.
The boob incident is not the hugest thing in the world. But, without
addressing the issue, something far worse will occur.
Besides, people should be aware of the content that is being shown on
a TV station. Surprises should not be thrust upon them.
Again, can we organize a crowd around your girlfriend, your daughter,
your son, and hold a circle jerk? It seems like you aren't sure
whether there should even be a limit to behavior.
daniel f. tritter
the great rupert murdoch and his news corporation, whose major american
voice is that fount of unbiased reportage, the new york post. while that
bladder has a great sports/business/radio/tv columnist in phil mushnick,
they "elevated" phil today to the front newss pages, then dem onstrated
their commitment to a heightened moralisty by a front page headline
about the janet jackson imbroglio with the cutesy-poo header, "tit for
tat." that wasn't enough, however. poor phil had a serious column plcaed
under the post's second header. "duo caught in booby trap."
anyone out there charmed by the seriousness with which we guard our
children against their prurient interests? they also published a picture
of the woman with her bared breast covered by the random square
graphics. were your kids watching this crap during prime time? i think
the show was staged by david alden [who according to a friend who has
frequented the bayerische staatsoper for forty-plus years is rapidly
succeeding in emptying the nationaltheater regularly] ... the latter is
just to get the thread back on-topic.
dft
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Jack Hamilton
>drak...@aol.com (Drakejake) wrote in message news:<20040202110651...@mb-m19.aol.com>...
>> Timberlake ... grabbed Janet Jackson's bodice, and exposed her right breast > What does this event say about American culture? ...
>>
>You didn't ask for a European opinion, but you'll get one, free of
>charge. One thing that amazes Europeans is that Americans make such a
>fuss over nothing. A nipple exposed, sue them! Coffee spilt, sue them!
>If you can't join them, sue them!
All good things, under some circumstances (the suing, I mean).
Americans in general don't have the passive attitude that some Europeans
seem to have - if something bad happens, we want to try to stop it from
happening again. McDonald's deserved to be sued. Exclusionary
organizations don't deserve to be supported by tax money (though I'm not
sure what incident in particular you're referring to here).
Personally, I don't think the incident in question was anything to get
upset over, if it really was an accident - much worse things are seen on
TV.
>Europeans are used to wars, plagues and famines going to an fro all
>over Europe
Not an argument to be more like Europe, surely.
==
Jack Hamilton
j...@acm.org
==
In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted comfort and security.
And in the end, they lost it all - freedom, comfort and security.
Edward Gibbons
Schneider
<< i think
the show was staged by david alden [who according to a friend who has
frequented the bayerische staatsoper for forty-plus years is rapidly
succeeding in emptying the nationaltheater regularly] ... the latter is
just to get the thread back on-topic. >>
Too little, too late.
Schneider
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"There is no parallel latitude but believes it could have been the equator if
it had only had its rights"--Twain
and...@comcast.net
morphed into NYCO] which was active in destroying my youthful innocennce.
I wonder if those noted
Liberal Socialist/Kommunists, Fiorello LaGuardia and Robert Moses
contributed to my present depravity by forcing me into that den of left-wing
iniquity.
55th St. was mentioned in the lyrics of "The Internationale?"
Just wondering . . . . . . . . . .
Lev Bronstein's Ghost
- Boycott Mexican Haircuts -
Melissa Houle
> > Timberlake ... grabbed Janet Jackson's bodice, and exposed her right breast > What does this event say about American culture? ...
> >
> You didn't ask for a European opinion, but you'll get one, free of
> charge. One thing that amazes Europeans is that Americans make such a
> fuss over nothing. A nipple exposed, sue them! Coffee spilt, sue them!
> If you can't join them, sue them!
>
> Europeans are used to wars, plagues and famines going to an fro all
> over Europe (well, perhaps not "used to", but history is ever-present
> anyway), and little incidents like an exposed nipple pass by
> unnoticed.
>
Not being a football fan I did not see the half-time show. I am both
amused and disgusted by the way this three second incident has been
blown so completely out of proportion by two days of crossfire between
shrill indignation, claims of accidental exposure, and apologies over
Janet Jackson's breast. At worst, it seemed a brief episode of bad
taste, albeit one with a very large audience. People have NEVER seen
nudity on TV or in the movies (or at home) before? Come on! I hardly
think seeing a woman's breast for three seconds merits lawsuits,
children being in therapy or of being turned into a Federal Case. In
America, the attitude toward sex is both prurient and puritanical, and
the worst half of both. Rarely has that seemed clearer to me than in
the past two days.
Melissa
Chip Spear
this sort of thing. I have two young daughters and I was embarrassed.
I do think that nudity is fine and it is OK on television, at night,
on cable, on a show that one can expect to find something like that.
The SuperBowl however is not the right venue. The whole half time show
sucked. Nelly and P.Diddy continually grabbing their penis's, and Kid
Rock with the lyrics, and the dancing that was more like dry humping
to music, was way out of line for what really is a family show (or was
supposed to be). But the commercials were almost as bad, with their
heavy sexual orientation, i.e. the monkey, the dog biting a guys
crotch, the horse farting, and all the sexual dysfunction. It was
quite bad.
A note of correction too, it was not a metal pastie, is was a nipple
shield. Her nipple is pierced, which made it worse.
sendi...@yahoo.com (anyone) wrote in message news:<3d047a4e.04020...@posting.google.com>...
Pat Finley
> > drak...@aol.com (Drakejake) wrote in message news:<20040202110651...@mb-m19.aol.com>...
> > > Timberlake ... grabbed Janet Jackson's bodice, and exposed her right breast > What does this event say about American culture? ...
> > >
> > You didn't ask for a European opinion, but you'll get one, free of
> > charge. One thing that amazes Europeans is that Americans make such a
> > fuss over nothing. A nipple exposed, sue them! Coffee spilt, sue them!
> > If you can't join them, sue them!
> >
> > Europeans are used to wars, plagues and famines going to an fro all
> > over Europe (well, perhaps not "used to", but history is ever-present
> > anyway), and little incidents like an exposed nipple pass by
> > unnoticed.
> >
I consider myself fairly, um, broad-minded, but that surely was the
wrong place and time for such a stunt. But I hope it doesn't lead to
a gross over-reaction in the other direction.
One thing that I've noticed in the last couple of months which
surprises me a great deal -- My cable system, Adelphia, has shown
"soft" adult programming after 11:00 pm for years, which seems like a
reasonable compromise to me. Most parents with small children can
reasonably be expected to have the little ones safely out of harms's
way by then.
But recently we began to receive, at little or no extra charge
apparently, a huge proliferation of cable channels -- going from about
60 to maybe 3-400. We now have a dozen or so versions each of HBO,
Showtime and Cinemax -- many more than I ever knew existed. A few of
each are "east coast versions", meaning that out here in California we
are seeing the 11:00 pm 'east coast' programming of all of these movie
channels at 8:00 pm -- the height of the 'family hour'. I'm not sure
how parents can reasonably be expected to keep youngsters from surfing
the channels and running across "Real Sex #47" and the myriad of other
late night 'adult' fare. I'm not sure, but I believe that these movie
channels are bundled so that one can't exclude the early 'east coast'
programming.
Do other cable systems have this same "problem"? I'm surprised that
I haven't heard or read of more complaints about this particular
programming tactic.
Pat
Larry Friedman
"Melissa Houle" <shir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b8ca78a3.04020...@posting.google.com...
No, Melissa, of course you are right, but the problen is that a restrained
reaction does not sell newspapers, nor does it attract spectators to the
news programs, who showed the incident to a disgustingly non-stop extent.
THAT is what bothers me. It's like lawyers running around sowing discord and
upset where none had existed before. So, now we have members of the lunatic
fringe (which seems to have grown exponentially during thre current
administration) screaming and beating their ... um ... upper thoracic
regions over this - what? This adolescent silliness. The people involved are
simply not worth all the time, effort and ink spilled over their antic,
which was sophomoric at best. As to whether it was "accidental", oh, give me
a break! If that was accidental, I'll eat every hat in the joint.
Leave it to America, the land of the free and home of the brave, to throw
this out of all possible proportion, and in the most childish manner to
boot.
Look: a rather disturbed child-like entertainer who never had much of a
career sashayed around a stage with another person with a minimum of talent.
She purposely showed nipple. It is inappropriate and tasteless, but is this
something to burst a vein over? Are you who are complaining so loudly about
our children being condemned to therapy for the rest of their lives over
this, are you also concerned about the life of our planet and the inherent
dignity of all who live on it? Do you ever think of our relationship with
the rest of the world, or are you only interested in JJ's boob?
Come on, America. Grow up and take a gander at some things that are
genuinely important.
Thanks. I needed that.
-Larry
and...@comcast.net
He also bats .129 lefty. Weird.
A boob here, a boob there, it matters?
Les lanceurs report to camp in about a month.
That matters.
Pepin le Baseball Fan
"Harry Haller" <vo...@darkmatter.org> wrote in message
news:bvp8g0$jmt$1...@news8.svr.pol. co.uk...
> Is there any country besides the US, and I suppose Saudi Arabia, where
> _almost_ showing a breast on TV is an issue. US television is saturated
with
> violence and gun glorification but noone bats an eye. What a very bizarre
> place.
and...@comcast.net
"Chip Spear" <csp...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:bb07e995.04020...@posting.google.com...
> the horse farting, <
Jim Lewis
> A note of correction too, it was not a metal pastie, is was a
nipple
> shield. Her nipple is pierced, which made it worse.
>
Um, how could you tell. It was kind brief -- which is why I
don't think most kids would be very concerned. Even if they
"saw" it, it was gone so quickly that, unless they have VERY
mature minds, they'd never know what it was.
I think it's parents.
Jim Lewis - jkl...@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Whose
grandkids wouldn't give a damn.
pavane
"Jim Lewis" <jkl...@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:bvpef4$k7i$1...@news.utelfla.com...
>
> Um, how could you tell. It was kind brief -- which is why I
> don't think most kids would be very concerned. Even if they
> "saw" it, it was gone so quickly that, unless they have VERY
> mature minds, they'd never know what it was.
>
http://www.thespoof.com/news/story1.htm
You are welcome, of course.
pavane
Melissa Houle
> > Well said.
> >
> > Not being a football fan I did not see the half-time show. I am both
> > amused and disgusted by the way this three second incident has been
> > blown so completely out of proportion by two days of crossfire between
> > shrill indignation, claims of accidental exposure, and apologies over
> > Janet Jackson's breast. At worst, it seemed a brief episode of bad
> > taste, albeit one with a very large audience. People have NEVER seen
> > nudity on TV or in the movies (or at home) before? Come on! I hardly
> > think seeing a woman's breast for three seconds merits lawsuits,
> > children being in therapy or of being turned into a Federal Case. In
> > America, the attitude toward sex is both prurient and puritanical, and
> > the worst half of both. Rarely has that seemed clearer to me than in
> > the past two days.
> >
> > Melissa
>
> No, Melissa, of course you are right, but the problen is that a restrained
> reaction does not sell newspapers, nor does it attract spectators to the
> news programs, who showed the incident to a disgustingly non-stop extent.
> THAT is what bothers me.
Exactly, and you are quite right about restraint not selling
newspapers. "It was totally lewd! And just in case your child missed
it, here, look at it again! Now your kid REALLY needs therapy!" What,
ALL the children who saw that were exclusively bottle fed from their
first hour of life? None of them ever accidentally walked in on Mommy
when she was getting dressed? Accidentally seeing a natural, normal
part of an adult female body requires therapy to process? I think it's
the grownups who need the therapy more, here. All this prolonging of
the fuss is doing is giving Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson
precisely the attention they wanted.
It's like lawyers running around sowing discord and
> upset where none had existed before. So, now we have members of the lunatic
> fringe (which seems to have grown exponentially during thre current
> administration) screaming and beating their ... um ... upper thoracic
> regions over this - what? This adolescent silliness. The people involved are
> simply not worth all the time, effort and ink spilled over their antic,
> which was sophomoric at best. As to whether it was "accidental", oh, give me
> a break! If that was accidental, I'll eat every hat in the joint.
>
> Leave it to America, the land of the free and home of the brave, to throw
> this out of all possible proportion, and in the most childish manner to
> boot.
>
> Look: a rather disturbed child-like entertainer who never had much of a
> career sashayed around a stage with another person with a minimum of talent.
> She purposely showed nipple. It is inappropriate and tasteless, but is this
> something to burst a vein over? Are you who are complaining so loudly about
> our children being condemned to therapy for the rest of their lives over
> this, are you also concerned about the life of our planet and the inherent
> dignity of all who live on it? Do you ever think of our relationship with
> the rest of the world, or are you only interested in JJ's boob?
(And who's the bigger boob? Her, or the people getting their
collective knickers in a twist over it?)
>
> Come on, America. Grow up and take a gander at some things that are
> genuinely important.
>
> Thanks. I needed that.
> -Larry
You're welcome. I to agree with all that you've said. It was more or
less what I was trying to say myself. I will just add that if a
stupid, immature (and very brief) stunt on TV is the worst thing the
children of America ever see, their parents should count their
blessings. Most Iraqi, Israeli and Palestinian children have seen far
worse things in the past year, I'm sure. I worry much more about
children who saw those planes crash into the World Trade Center on
TV--THAT was something to be legitimately horrified about.
Melissa
Sailbad Sinner
>
> What hits me is that obviously this incident will be "outdone" by
> another incident that pushes the line further if there is no rule to
> control such stunts.
>
> As for your "amazement" at Americans, what do you think the "limit"
> should be? Would it have been ok if Timberlake had whipped out his
> d*** and shaken it at the audience and the millions of young boys and
> girls who were watching tv? Would it be ok if he stood there and
> masturbated?
>
> Would you mind if a bunch of rang your doorbell and whipped down their
> pants when your little daughter (if you have one) answers the door?
Your logic is the age-old one: this may not be so bad but what comes
next? Where is the limit? I believe each act should be judged on its
own merits instead of speculating what may follow. And I am not saying
that exposing a breast in a sports event is a decent thing, I am only
amazed at the outrage that follows. If something like this happened in
Finland and we were watching it with our kids, we would say that it
may look funny but it is a cheap way of attracting media coverage. End
of story.
And I must confess that I did not see the event live, I only saw a
stamp-size picture in a newspaper. If indeed one could see that her
nipple was pierced, I admit that showing it was a gross violation of
good taste.
As to the question of where the limit is, in the same paper in which I
saw Ms Jackson's breast, I read the Afghan supreme court is trying to
re-impose a ban on women's appearance on television. It is not hard to
imagine the Afghan judges reasoning: "It may not be so bad to hear a
woman's voice on tv, but what next? People will be wanting to see
their eyes or mouth and then what? Perhaps some day a woman's hair
will be shown on tv!"
An still to the topic of "where's the limit", my German teacher at
school used to warn his students about the dangers of cigarette
smoking: "It may look harmless (in the 1960's much less was known
about the health effects of smoking), but it will not stop there. When
you are 18, you will want to go to a bar for a beer. Then you will
want wine and stronger alcohol. And then even alcohol will not suffice
and you will try drugs, from which the road leads ultimately to
women!"
> The "offense" wasn't so much the boob. It occured in the wrong place
> at the wrong time. Parents had no warning that anything like this
> would happen on this channel.
I think we can agree that the act was in bad taste, especially if the
organ in question was pierced and not as-God-made-it. I am merely
amazed at the American audience's reaction, considering what the
American viewers tolerate in the field of violence in tv. Violence is
where the cleanup should begin, sex is a v-e-r-y minor problem
compared with violence in American tv. On my first trip to the USA,
because of the time difference, I woke up at 3 in the morning and
switched on the tv. After some channel-surfing, I landed on a channel
that showed a black man chained to vertical pole and being tortured to
death with blowtorches by some militant skinheads. This was within
minutes of the first time I ever switched on a tv set in the USA. Now,
15 years after the incident, I still feel disgusted at the sight.
Granted, 3 am is not prime-time, and this may be an isolated example
but what worries me far more is the violence that is taken for
granted, meaning is that resorting to violence is the natural course
of action. I must have seen dozens of American films (or the
beginnings of films, I seldom watch them to the end) in which the
organized society is presented as corrupt faceless men in black suits
who harass the "lone hero", and the "hero" has no choice but to take
up arms against the organized society. And then we wonder where the
timothy mcveighs come from.
Mark D Lew
<dtri...@bway.net> wrote:
> one of the great mouthpieces for family values and a moral society is
> the great rupert murdoch and his news corporation, whose major american
> voice is that fount of unbiased reportage, the new york post.
Not to mention Fox News "Fair and Balanced"!
mdl
jszostaksr
'twit' accomplice. Why even bring this nonsense to discussion in the forum?
Jon E. Szostak, Sr.
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Valfer
Two buddhist monks, one old and one young, arrived at the edge of a
river. There stood a woman, who begged them to carry her across, as
she was afraid to drown in the current. The monks carried her across,
and then went their way. After they had walked three li, the young
monk turned to the elder, and said: "My brother, my conscience
bothers me. We have taken a vow never to touch a woman's body, yet we
carried that woman across the river. Did we break our vows?" The
elder responded: "My brother, I left that woman at the shore. Why are
you still carrying her?"
The show was over Sunday, or, better yet, should have been over.
Valfer
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Schneider
<< An old Chinese tale comes to mind: >>
Here's another:
A valuable Chinese teak chest belonging to a certain Mr. Chan was taken by a
trained bear outfitted by his young master with a pair of the lad's boots. The
theft was foiled when a passerby cried out, "Stop, boy-foot bear with teak of
Chan!"
Schneider
On a slow day . . .
kraadde
My friend, I really think that you are overestimating what really
happen.
It was one boob (with covered nippels by the way!) on a TV show and no
people dropping their pants in front of a child!
If the american public is really worried about their children, why not
first ban violence from the TV and forbid people carrying guns?
Steve Silverman
first time, I understood the drawing power of the Superbowl.
Steve Silverman
NBPalmer1
>first time, I understood the drawing power of the Superbowl.
Oh Steve, poor fellow, how DID you cope with the stress..?
I have the impression that half the population of the US has had to go into
therapy because of seeing this on their TV screens...
But then, being a Brit. I expect that you were brave, very brave..
Cheers, Nick
J.Venning
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Here in Denmark, there was no one who was in a titter about it.
J.
donpaolo
DonP, a well-toned arm fan
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donpaolo
head!
DonP.
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Schneider
<< Here in Denmark, there was no one who was in a titter about it. >>
At the end of Danish marriage ceremonies when the bride and groom kiss, a
little man dashes among the assembled guests and with both hands pulls on the
breasts of each of the women. This is what Danes take to be "a small titter
ran through the crowd."
Schneider
donpaolo
DonP.
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Steve Silverman
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> How can ANY mammary, especially JJ's be "infamous"??
>
Some are, some aren't. You just have to make the breast of a bad job.
Steve Silverman
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Of course, there are those Americans (myself included) who never watch
sports on TV (difficult as they've become to avoid, when most of the few
shows worth watching no longer exists). Anyway, NOTHING "pop" artists
do, publicly or privately, surprises me anymore.
Valfer
for two seconds can traumatize half the population of America, then
the showing of one 74 year-old breast for four seconds will traumatize
ALL of the population of America. Following this line of thought, the
effect of showing TWO 74 year-old breasts for eight seconds can only
be predicted as catastrophic. Let this stop here, lest Osama Bin
Laden decide to have his mother bare her breasts on American TV,
therefore upsetting the nation into total emotional collapse. Oh!
The horror of it all!!!!
Valfer
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Steve Silverman
> >first time, I understood the drawing power of the Superbowl.
>
> Oh Steve, poor fellow, how DID you cope with the stress..?
Far better than most Americans, I suspect. The discovery of ricin at the
Senate seemed to cause far less outrage!
Steve Silverman
donpaolo
TOP!!!
Yeah, yeah, I know.....
DonPaolo
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>From: "Steve Silverman" ssil...@btopenworld.com
>Date: 2/6/2004 10:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c00lfk$9tb$1...@titan.btinternet.com>
Actually I missed the halftime show -- but I heard that it was a bit of a bust?
Pat
Oh, cease! must hate and death return?
Cease! must men kill and die?
Cease! drain not to the dregs the urn
Of bitter prophecy
The world is weary of the past.
Oh might it die or rest at last. Shelley, "Hellas"
Schneider
A tempest in a C-cup.
REG
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Alcindoro
shield. Her nipple is pierced, which made it worse.<
Boy, you're not kidding! MINE got all infected and I couldn't wear
wool without an undershirt and... ohhhhhhh... I thought you meant--
... never mind...
Alcindoro
school used to warn his students about the dangers of cigarette
smoking: "It may look harmless (in the 1960's much less was known
about the health effects of smoking), but it will not stop there. When
you are 18, you will want to go to a bar for a beer. Then you will
want wine and stronger alcohol. And then even alcohol will not suffice
and you will try drugs, from which the road leads ultimately to
women!"<
DANG!! I must've smoked the wrong brand, gone to the wrong bars,
ordered the wrong beers, drunk the wrong wines, and done the wrong
drugs.
Michael Bednarek
rec.music.opera:
>Simple logic tells us that if the showing of one 37 year-old breast
>for two seconds can traumatize half the population of America, then
>the showing of one 74 year-old breast for four seconds will traumatize
>ALL of the population of America. Following this line of thought, the
>effect of showing TWO 74 year-old breasts for eight seconds can only
>be predicted as catastrophic. Let this stop here, lest Osama Bin
>Laden decide to have his mother bare her breasts on American TV,
>therefore upsetting the nation into total emotional collapse. Oh!
>The horror of it all!!!!
Are you referring to this: (from
<http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/06/1075854061942.html>)
... a decision by NBC to cut a shot of an exposed breast of an
80-year-old woman receiving emergency care during its award winning
series ER has outraged the makers.
ER executive producer John Wells accused NBC of censorship.
See also:
<http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/05/tv.er.breast.ap/>
and
<http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=televisionNews&storyID=4288280>
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Days after Janet Jackson shocked the
nation by baring her breast during the Super Bowl, NBC has agreed to
edit out a brief shot of an 80-year-old woman's breast from Thursday
night's episode of medical drama "ER" -- to the chagrin of the show's
executive producer.
In the scene, the breast is visible for less than two seconds in the
background of a scene where doctors are giving the woman emergency care.
The network's decision to adjust the scene to obscure the bare breast
drew a strong rebuke from "ER" executive producer John Wells, who said
it sent a bad message.
For a much more relaxed view on the original incident, see:
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/02/07/do0702.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/02/07/ixportal.html>
--
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dtritter
an elegy played on the g-string.
dft
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AES
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Oisk17
deliberately avoiding what I was sure would be a horrid half time show. What
is worse than that Ms. Jackson failed to cover, is that New England failed to
cover...
Still licking his financial wounds...
Paul