Lata SurveykshaN (Final): Results
Vinay
sheer number of songs from a humongous period of over sixty years
necessitated that. It was only fair that more people participated in
this final Lata survey than any of the earlier ones. I would have been
disappointed otherwise. Here are the results.
To reiterate the survey question, I asked you to select up to 50 solos
sung by Lata for Hindi films or non-film albums, for a desert island
scenario. You were presented a short-list of over 500 songs, created
using top songs of earlier period-based Lata survey results, but you
were free to choose songs from outside the short-list.
In my opinion, this particular survey should be thought as a
"favorites among favorites" kind of exercise. I don't think it covered
the detail to the level that earlier period-based surveys did. And in
that sense it was less precise. Because of its broadness, you may see
many great songs missing the final list, despite the fact that over an
unprecedented 600 songs were selected by participants. But that's
Lata for you. It's hard to cover her in one single survey. And that
was exactly the point we started with.
With that said, let's cherish the songs. I am presenting below some of
the top favorites selected by you, for the lack of space here. A much
more detailed and complete list is available at the SurveykshaN
website at:
http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata/
Some highlights
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* Number of songs selected by two or more participants: 506
* Number of songs getting only one vote each: 115
* Songs selected by...
50% or more participants: None
40% or more participants: 3
25% or more participants: 29
10% or more participants: 170
fewer than 5% participants: 281
* Albums covered by selections: 396 (Films: 389, Non-Film: 7)
* Top 10 films (based on cumulative total votes for songs of a film)
Guide 136
Woh Kaun Thi 108
Pakeezah 106
Aah 96
Madhumati 94
Parakh 94
Anaarkali 92
Dastak 91
Anuradha 86
Anupama 86
* Top years (based on cumulative total votes for songs of a year)
1966 425
1960 388
1964 349
1951 346
1958 337
1971 337
1953 307
1955 301
1961 298
1962 293
1952 285
1957 284
Participants (152)
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डॉ दुर्गाप्रसाद अग्रवाल, Aalok, Abhay, Abhay Phadnis, Abhijit Deonath,
Abhijit Mukherjee, Aditya Pant, Afzal A. Khan, Ajay Poundarik, Ajay
Wagle, Ajit Rajwade, Akhila, Ali Rashid, Amarendra R Nargundkar,
Anand, Anand Juvekar, Anand Tiwari, Anil Hingorani, Anil Satwik,
Anindya Roychowdhury, Anirudha Bhattacharjee, Anu Kartic, Apoorv
Moghe, Archisman Mozumder, Arun Gupta, Arun Verma, Arunabha, Ash,
Ashok Dhareshwar, Ashok Dharampal, Asif Alvi, Bharat Pandya, Bhavita
Toliya, Bhupendra Kalicharan Gupta, Chandrika Rao, Chetan Vinchhi,
Deepak Karmarkar, Deepak Sabnis, Devender Kumar, Dhananjay Gore,
Dhareshwar, Dhruva Chowdhury, Dipak Arya, Dr. S K Bansal, Faraaj,
Gaurav, Girish Iyer, Gopal Patwal, Gopalkrishnan, Guri, Haroo Sudra,
Hildebrand, Hitendra Parikh, Hitesh Bhatia, Indra, Jaydeep, Jyotirmoy,
K S Shenoy, K V Ramesh, Kalaana S Kamath, Kamal Aakarsh, Kausik Datta,
Ketan, Khantha, Kijo, Kishore Saletore, Kranti, Lavanya Shah, M Ahmad,
M V Krishnan, M V Rajagopal, M S Parthasarathy, Meghal, Minali, Mitesh
Gandhi, Mohan Dwivedi, Narasimha Murthy TG, Naresh Dabas, Naresh
Khattar, Narsingh D Agnish, Nayan Shah, Neeru, Niketan Rao, Nimish,
Nitin Shitole, Padmini, Parul, Pavan Jha, Pradeep Sharma, Pradip
Somasundaran, Pramod Tillu, Pran Katariya, Prasanna, Pritam Pritu,
Punya Srivastava, Qamaal Mustafa Sikander, Raaz, Rahul Nahire, Raja
Pundalik, Rajarshi Majumdar, Rajendra Oza, Rajesh Agrawal, Rajesh
Palekar, Raju Bathija, Rakesh , Ram Ramachandran, Ramesh, Ritu
Chandra, Rupa Dore, S Suresh, Sameer Majli, Sancho Chandran, Sandeep,
Sanjeev, Sathya Sekar, Shailesh Chaudhari, Shalini, Shashi Hegde,
Shashi Rao, Shrinivas Phoujadar, Siddharth Chatterjee, Silva Anand,
Sonu, Souvik Bose, Srinivas Ganti, Subhas Ghosal, Sudarshan Pandey,
Sudipta Bhattacharjee, Sudipto Ganguly, Suhas Pandya, Sujayita Roy,
Sukesh Hoogan, Sukumar Nair, Sunita Vedantam, Swaraj Mishra, Tabassum,
Tanuka, Ugale, Unmesh D Patil, UVR, Vaishali Gandhi, Vaishali K,
Vijaylaxmi, Vijay Kumar K, Vina Leekha, Vinay Jain, Vinay Kumar, Vish
Krishnan, Vivek Puntambekar, V J Pherwani, Yogesh, Zainab
* Number of songs selected by each participant
Participants who selected 50 songs: 132 (87%)
Participants who selected 20 or fewer songs: 4 (2%)
Scores (in order of percentage of selections)
==============================================
Here are the top-50 spots. The numbers are the percentage of
participants who selected them:
44.74 o sajanaa barakhaa bahaar aa_ii (Parakh)
42.76 piyaa tose nainaa laage re (Guide)
40.13 jyoti kalash chhalake (Bhabhi Ki Chudiyan)
39.47 aaegaa aaegaa aaegaa aaegaa aanevaalaa (Mahal)
37.50 phailii huii hai.n sapano.n kii baa.Nhe.n (House No. 44)
36.84 rasik balamaa haay dil kyo.n lagaayaa tose (Chori Chori)
36.84 lag jaa gale ki phir ye hasii.n raat ho na ho (Woh Kaun Thi)
36.18 ye zi.ndagii usii kii hai jo kisii kaa ho gayaa (Anaarkali)
35.53 rainaa biitii jaaye shyaam naa aaye (Amar Prem)
35.53 aapakii nazaro.n ne samajhaa (Anpadh)
35.53 ajiib daastaa.N hai ye (Dil Apnaa Aur Preet Paraai)
34.21 kuchh dil ne kahaa kuchh bhii nahii.n (Anupama)
32.89 aa jaa re paradesii (Madhumati)
30.92 ruk jaa raat Thahar jaa re cha.ndaa (Dil Ek Mandir)
30.26 ham pyaar me.n jalanevaalo.n ko chain kahaa.N (Jailor)
29.61 rahe.n na rahe.n ham mahakaa kare.nge (Mamta)
29.61 mausam hai aashiqaanaa (Pakeezah)
28.95 ye shaam kii tanhaaiyaa.N aise me.n teraa Gam (Aah)
28.95 tere binaa jiyaa jaae naa (Ghar)
28.95 allaah tero naam iishvar tero naam (Hum Dono)
28.95 chaa.Nd phir nikalaa magar tum na aaye (Paying Guest)
26.97 vande maataram.h (Aanand Math)
26.32 yuu.N hasarato.n ke daaG (Adaalat)
26.32 tum na jaane kis jahaa.N me.n kho gaye (Sazaa)
25.66 bai.nyaa.N na dharo o balamaa (Dastak)
25.66 meghaa chhaae aadhii raat (Sharmilee)
25.00 kaa.NTo.n se khii.nch ke ye aa.Nchal (Guide)
25.00 naino.n me.n badaraa chhaae (Mera Saaya)
25.00 ye dil aur unakii nigaaho.n ke saaye (Prem Parbat)
24.34 na jaane kyuu.N hotaa hai ye zi.ndagii ke saath (Chhoti Si
Baat)
23.68 rulaa ke gayaa sapanaa meraa (Jewel Thief)
23.03 moraa goraa a.ng lai le (Bandini)
23.03 ai maalik tere ba.nde ham (Do Aankhen Baarah Haath)
22.37 baa.Nho.n me.n chale aao (Anamika)
22.37 dhiire dhiire machal ai dil e beqaraar (Anupama)
21.71 teraa jaanaa dil ke aramaano.n kaa luT jaanaa (Anaadi)
21.71 teraa meraa pyaar amar (Asli Naqli)
21.71 aa jaa piyaa tohe pyaar duu.N (Baharon Ke Sapne)
21.71 maaii rii mai.n kaase kahuu.N piir (Dastak)
21.71 mose chhal kiye jaaye (Guide)
21.71 zulmii sa.ng aa.Nkh la.Dii (Madhumati)
21.71 nainaa barase.n rimajhim rimajhim (Woh Kaun Thi)
21.05 ab to hai tumase har Kushii apanii (Abhimaan)
21.05 ai dil e naadaan (Razia Sultan)
20.39 o basa.ntii pavan paagal (Jis Desh Mein Ganga Behti Hai)
20.39 jaa re jaa re u.D jaa re pa.nchhii (Maya)
20.39 ra.ngiilaa re tere ra.ng me.n (Prem Pujari)
20.39 vo bhuulii daastaa.N lo phir yaad aa gayii (Sanjog)
19.74 piyaa binaa piyaa binaa baa.Nsiyaa (Abhimaan)
19.74 naa jiyaa laage naa tere binaa meraa kahii.n (Anand)
19.74 dikhaa_ii diye yuu.N ki beKud kiyaa (Bazaar)
19.74 chhup gayaa koii re duur se pukaar ke (Champaakali)
19.74 ghar aajaa ghir aaye badaraa saa.Nvariyaa (Chhote Nawab)
19.74 zaraa sii aahaT hotii hai to dil sochataa hai (Haqeeqat)
A complete list of all selected songs along with the rest of the
results is available at the SurveykshaN web site at http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata/.
Results of earlier period-based Lata surveys (and other SurveykshaNs)
are also available at the same site.
With this, we conclude a series of surveys that started with an idea
that if we have to do it (i.e. to create some list of Lata's songs),
we should at least put some effort in the process and try to do it
well. I don't know if these lists are better than anyone else's. I
don't think so. And that was not the idea anyway. But they are
certainly more representative and something I can respect and learn
from.
Thanks again to everyone who participated in this and earlier Lata
surveys. Also thanks to the volunteers who helped with the short-list
and other documents.
Feel free to add your own analysis of the results. Also pass on the
results to your forums and communities. If you see any errors, please
let me know.
Vinay
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Results: http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata/
Part 1 Results: http://survey.giitaayan.com/lataupto53/
Part 2 Results: http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata54to58/
Part 3 Results: http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata59to66/
Part 4 Results: http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata67onwards/
surjit singh
> Results of earlier period-based Lata surveys (and other SurveykshaNs)
> are also available at the same site.
>
> With this, we conclude a series of surveys that started with an idea
> that if we have to do it (i.e. to create some list of Lata's songs),
> we should at least put some effort in the process and try to do it
> well. I don't know if these lists are better than anyone else's. I
> don't think so. And that was not the idea anyway. But they are
> certainly more representative and something I can respect and learn
> from.
>
> Thanks again to everyone who participated in this and earlier Lata
> surveys. Also thanks to the volunteers who helped with the short-list
> and other documents.
>
> Feel free to add your own analysis of the results. Also pass on the
> results to your forums and communities. If you see any errors, please
> let me know.
>
> Vinay
> ----------
> Results:http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata/
> Part 1 Results:http://survey.giitaayan.com/lataupto53/
> Part 2 Results:http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata54to58/
> Part 3 Results:http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata59to66/
> Part 4 Results:http://survey.giitaayan.com/lata67onwards/
As long as Mahal and Anarkali are in top ten, I am relatively happy.
Of course, no Naushad or Anil BIswas :(
Srinivas Ganti
> This was the most massive SurveykshaN exercise on many levels.
Thanks Vinay for the wonderful survey.
12 out of the top 50 songs selected are composed by SD Burman,
which is more than any other composer.
surjit singh
Prediction: After 20 years 12 out of 50 will be from R D Burman.
suhas
Vinay,
CONGRATULATIONS .You have done a marvellous job.
I do NOT agree with the list 100% but I have no complanis.I can point
out many songs not included in the list Esp. those of Anil Biswas but
I will bow down to selection by members and accept trhe verdict whole
heartedly.As I have always maintained such selections are a persional
choice but atleast 80% of trhe choice perfect which is a great
thing.Congratulations again
Bharat Pandya
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> As long as Mahal and Anarkali are in top ten, I am relatively happy.
> Of course, no Naushad or Anil BIswas :(
No Anil Biswas is par for the course. Sudhir Phadke making it is no
surprise either. But Naushad? I am amazed that "mohe bhool gaye" or
"pyaar kiyaa to" did not make it to top-50.
Roshan did make it to top-50 with Mamta. Quite a lot of Madan Mohan -
some of my favorites made it. Sir Salil bags top spot and holds fort
with several other entries. Good representation for Hemant-da.
Too much of SJ and their top 3 songs are unlistenable :) Okay okay,
for me ;)
C
Sukesh
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A) Top 53 siongs
1) Composers
01 C Ramchandra
01 Ghulam Mohammad
04 Hemant Kumar
02 Jaidev
01 Khamchand Prakash
02 Khayyam
09 Madan Mohan
05 R D Burman
01 Roshan
12 S D Burman
01 Sajjad Hussain
06 Salil Chowdhury
07 Shankar Jaikishan
01 Sudhir Phadke
2) Lyricists
01 Anand Bakshi
01 Bankim Chnade Chatterjee
01 Bharat Vyas
02 Gulzar
01 Hasrat Jaipuri
02 Jan Nissar Akhtar
01 Kaif Bhopali
03 Kaifi Azmi
08 Majrooh Sultanpuri
01 Mir Taqi Mir
01 Naqshab Jarachavi
01 Narendra Sharma
02 Neeraj
04 Raja Mehdi Ali Khan
05 Rajinder Krishan
03 Sahir Lushianvi
14 Shailendra
02 Yogesh
B) Top 109 songs
1) Composers
01 Anil Biwas
04 C Ramchandra
02 Ghulam Mohammad
07 Hemant Kumar
01 Hridyanath Mangeshkar
05 Jaidev
01 Kalyanji Anandji
02 Khayyam
01 Khamchand Prakash
01 Laxmikant Pyarelal
16 Madan Mohan
03 Naushad Ali
01 Ravi
15 R D Burman
04 Roshan
03 Ravi Shankar
08 Salil Chowdhury
15 S D Burman
15 Shankar Jaikishan
01 Sajjad Hussain
01 Sudhir Phadke
02 Vasant Desai
2) Lyricists
01 Asad Bhopali
06 Anand Bakshi
01 Balkavu Bairagi
01 Bankim Chnade Chatterjee
02 Bharat Vyas
08 Gulzar
04 Hasrat Jaipuri
03 Jan Nissar Akhtar
06 Kaifi Azmi
01 Kaif Bhopali
01 Kamal Amrohi
01 Kavi Pradeep
11 Majrooh Sultanpuri
01 Mir Taqi Mir
03 Neeraj
01 Nida Fazli
01 Naqshab Jarachavi
01 Narendra Sharma
01 P L Santoshi
10 Rajinder Krishan
06 Raja Mehdi Ali Khan
03 Shakeel Badayuni
24 Shailendra
08 Sahir Lushianvi
04 Yogesh
C) Films
1) In the top 109 songs, Anuradha & Guide had three songs each. 15
other films had 2 songs each.
Regards
Sukesh
Sukesh
1) Top 53 songs
06 Shankar Jaikishan - Shailendra
04 Madan Mohan - Raja Mehdi Ali Khan
04 S D Burman - Shailendra
03 Madan Mohan - Rajinder Krishan
03 S D Burman - Majrooh Sultanpuri
03 Salil Chowdhury - Shailendra
2) Top 109 songs
11 Shankar Jaikishan - Shailendra
06 Madan Mohan - Raja Mehdi Ali Khan
05 S D Burman - Shailendra
04 Madan Mohan - Rajinder Krishan
04 R D Burman - Anand Bakshi
04 R D Burman - Gulzar
04 Salil Chowdhury - Shailendra
04 Shankar Jaikishan - Hasrat Jaipuri
03 Hemant Kumar - Kaifi Azmi
03 Jaidev - Sahir Ludhianvi
03 Madan Mohan - Kaifi Azmi
03 R D Burman - Majrooh Sultanpuri
03 Ravi Shankar - Shailendra
03 S D Burman - Majrooh Sultanpuri
03 Salil Chowdhury - Yogesh
Regards
Sukesh
Sukesh
A standing ovation to you for the excellent job you have done.
Regards
Sukesh
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> A standing ovation to you for the excellent job you have done.
Absolutely. Sorry, Vinay, I should have said that even before posting
anything in this thread. Hats off to you for carrying this through.
C
Chetan Vinchhi
> Statistical Analysis
Thanks for the analysis.
> A) Top 53 songs
>
> 01 Sajjad Hussain
Which one? I thought his top song (and the only one in top-100) was
"woh to chale gaye" which is placed well past the 50 mark.
> B) Top 109 songs
>
> 16 Madan Mohan
> 15 R D Burman
> 15 S D Burman
> 15 Shankar Jaikishan
Interesting to see MM pip the others to the top spot. These 4 account
for a lion's share of the selected songs!
Still disappointed at Anil-da's (or rather the participants')
performance :(
C
Sukesh
My apologies.Thank you for pointing out the error. The corrected list
as follows
a) top 53 songs
01 C Ramchandra
01 Ghulam Mohammad
04 Hemant Kumar
02 Jaidev
02 Khayyam
01 Khemchand Prakash
10 Madan Mohan
05 R D Burman
01 Roshan
12 S D Burman
06 Salil Chowdhury
07 Shankar Jaikishan
01 Sudhir Phadke
Regards
Sukesh
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> My apologies.Thank you for pointing out the error. The corrected list
> as follows
>
> a) top 53 songs
>
Did you attribute Sanjog to Sajjad :)
In this case, does MM's tally for the top-100 go up to 17?
C
Sukesh
No. The figures of top 109 are correct.
Analysing the two sets of statistics more or less simultaneously
resulted in error in top 53 songs.
Regards
Sukesh
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> No. The figures of top 109 are correct.
>
> Analysing the two sets of statistics more or less simultaneously
> resulted in error in top 53 songs.
Thanks
C
Sukesh
483.
2) 4 or more songs were selected from the following films
05 Aah (1953)
04 Amar (1954)
04 Amrapali (1966)
05 Anarkali (1953)
04 Anuradha (1960)
06 Barsaat (1949)
04 Mughal-e-Azam (1960)
04 Munimji (1955)
06 Nagin (1954)
04 Pakeezah (1971)
04 Saiyaan (1951)
04 Taxi Driver (1954)
05 Uran Khatola (1955)
3) Composers (48)
01 A R Qureshi
01 Ali Akbar Khan
20 Anil Biswas
01 Amarnath
01 Adi Narayan Rao
01 A R Rehman
01 Bhupen Hazarika
02 Bulo C Rani
02 Chitragupta
26 C Ramchandra
01 E Shankar Shastri
04 Ghulam Mohammad
03 Hansraj Behl
18 Hemant Kumar
02 Hridyanath Mangeshkar
02 Husnlal Bhagatram
13 Jaidev
01 Jagmohan Sursagar
01 Jamal Sen
06 Kalyanji Anandji
07 Khayyam
03 Khemchand Prakash
19 Laxmikant Pyarelal
53 Madan Mohan
01 Mohammad Shafi
34 Naushad Ali
03 N Dutta
08 Ravi
01 Raj Kamal
41 R D Burman
01 Ravindra Jain
01 Ramlal
21 Roshan
02 Rajesh Roshan
04 Ravi Shankar
20 Salil Chowdhury
41 S D Burman
08 Sajjad Hussain
01 Shambu Sen
84 Shankar Jaikishan
01 S Mohinder
02 S N Tripathi
04 Sudhir Phadke
03 Shyam Sundar
01 V Balsara
10 Vasant Desai
01 Vinod
01 Vishal Bharadwaj
Regards
Sukesh
Abhay Jain
"surjit singh" <surji...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dc691a8c-4bd3-47ee...@j9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Rest by A. R. Rehman.
vrk
> "surjit singh" <surjitsi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
A R Rahman uses the singer only according to the need of the song. he
first used lata after 6 years as a top composer. which btw barely gets
included here. if lata is remembered after 20 years, it will be for
her earlier compositions and not for the later output (which merely
comes in for tokenism). doubt if arr will have more than 1. rdb
different animal altogether. if you hear any radio channel in india
playing classics, most songs are from 70s and occasionally 60s. 20
years later classics would be late 70s and 80s. cannot miss rdb in
that time period.
Asif
> "surjit singh" <surjitsi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
40 years ago all of top 50 would have been by Naushad.
Srinivas Ganti
> 1) The number songs from films selected by 2 or more participants were
> 483.
Thanks Sukesh for the detailed numbers. To put them into perspective,
we shud consider the total number of songs they composed for Lata.
Numbers for the top 5 composers (songs selected / total songs)
SJ (84 / 453)
MM (53 / 210)
SD (41 / 182)
RD (41 / 327)
Naushad (34 / 155)
Sukesh
> On Nov 22, 2:25 pm, Sukesh <sukesh_hoo...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> > 1) The number songs from films selected by 2 or more participants were
> > 483.
>
> Thanks Sukesh for the detailed numbers. To put them into perspective,
> we shud consider the total number of songs they composed for Lata.
> Numbers for the top 5 composers (songs selected / total songs)
>
> SJ (84 / 453)
> MM (53 / 210)
> SD (41 / 182)
> RD (41 / 327)
> Naushad (34 / 155)
Thanks. I do not have the data on the total number of songs composed
by each individual composer.
SJ (84 / 453) - 18.54% - [ 45 ]
MM (53 / 210) - 25.24% - [ 36 ]
SD (41 / 182) - 22.53% - [ 24 ]
RD (41 / 327) - 12.54% - [ 34 ]
Naushad (34 / 155) - 21.94% - [ 17 ]
The figures [ N ] above are the number of films from which the songs
were selected.
Regards
Sukesh
Ketan
"Sukesh" <sukesh...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks. I do not have the data on the total number of songs composed
> by each individual composer.
>
> SJ (84 / 453) - 18.54% - [ 45 ]
> MM (53 / 210) - 25.24% - [ 36 ]
> SD (41 / 182) - 22.53% - [ 24 ]
> RD (41 / 327) - 12.54% - [ 34 ]
> Naushad (34 / 155) - 21.94% - [ 17 ]
>
> The figures [ N ] above are the number of films from which the songs
> were selected.
What's the corresponding number for Salil in the above analysis?
Ketan
Sukesh
> "Sukesh" <sukesh_hoo...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
I do not have the total number of songs composed, the number of films
from which the songs were selected is as follows
Others perhaps can fill in the total number of songs composed.
Legend: Songs selected [ Films ]
Anil Biswas 20 [ 14 ]
C Ramchandra 26 [ 17 ]
Hemant Kumar 18 [ 10 ]
Laxmikant Puarelal 19 [19 ]
Jaidev 13 [ 9 ]
Roshan 21 [ 15 ]
Salil Chowdhury 20 [ 14 ]
Regards
Sukesh
raaz
Once again, Shankar Jaikishan music choice spread is more than others,
among the 152 participants.
raaz
stood at the top, followed by Rajinder Krishan, just away by
a whisker from Majrooh Sultanpuri.
Pavan Jha
for getting it done!
Hope to see this coming up for all legendary artists..
Pavan
Pavan Jha
version (ISB or other Databases etc).. not spelling mistakes, but word
level mistake, which has an impact on context, without sounding wrong!
तेरे लिये पलकों की झालर बनूँ tere liye palako.n kii jhaalar banuu.N
should be
तेरे लिये पलकों की झालर "बुनूं" tere liye palako.n kii jhaalar
"bunuu.N"
हमने देखी है इन आँखों की hamane dekhii hai in aa.Nkho.n kii
should be
हमने देखी है "उन" आँखों की hamane dekhii hai "un" aa.Nkho.n kii
Pavan
On Nov 24, 10:43 am, raaz <razak1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sukesh
No. Probably the count would have been about half a dozen songs (at
most) in the top 50.
Regards
Sukesh
vrk
though the song does have jhaalar bunoo.n, i wonder what it means. i
want to be the fringe around your eyelids makes more sense (hence
banoo.n) than i want to knit a fringe around your eyelids!
also in the other song, un aankho.n becomes chhooke ise. should that
not be chhooke use?
vijay...@my-deja.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
You sure have a grip of the wrong end of the stick, don't you.
It is indeed "jhaalar bunuu.N" The context becomes even more
clear if you look at the next line as well - dhuup lage jahaa.N
tujhe, saayaa banuu.N
Basically, she is saying she will weave a pavilion with her eyelids
so that he can rest there, undisturbed by the sun or heat - that she
will take care of him.
Vijay
Abhay Phadnis
>
> also in the other song, un aankho.n becomes chhooke ise. should that
> not be chhooke use?
In 'haath se chhuuke ise', the 'ise' refers to the 'mahakatii
Khushabuu', not to the eyes.
Warm regards,
Abhay
vrk
dear abhay and vijay
thanks. but would the meaning be any different if the words were
'banoo.n' and 'in aankho.n'? if she can become the shade and weave
fringes - she can also become the fringe - cant she?
Sukesh
Songs in top 10 in both the surveys.
Ranking
Prev This Film Song
007 001 Parakh (1960) o sajanaa barakhaa bahaar aa_ii
001 003 Bhabhi Ki Chudiyan (1961) jyoti kalash chhalake
006 004 Mahal (1049) aaegaa aaegaa aaegaa aaegaa aanevaalaa
009 005 House No 44 (1955) phailii huii hai.n sapano.n kii baa.Nhe.n
002 006 Chori Chori (1956) rasik balamaa haay dil kyo.n lagaayaa
tose
003 008 Anarkali (1953) ye zi.ndagii usii kii hai jo kisii kaa ho
gayaa
New in top 10
Ranking
Prev This
040 002 Guide (1965) piyaa tose nainaa laage re
046 006 Woh Kaun Thi (1964) lag jaa gale ki phir ye hasii.n raat ho
na ho
011 009 Amar Prem (1971) rainaa biitii jaaye shyaam naa aaye
018 009 Dil Apnaa Aur Preet Paraai (1960) ajiib daastaa.N hai ye
035 009 Anpadh (1962) aapakii nazaro.n ne samajhaa
Out of top 10
Ranking
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004 015 Jailor (1958) ham pyaar me.n jalanevaalo.n ko chain kahaa.N
004 049 Champaakali (1957) chhup gayaa koii re duur se pukaar ke
008 018 Paying Guest (1957) chaa.Nd phir nikalaa magar tum na aaye
010 023 Adaalat (1958) yuu.N hasarato.n ke daaG
Significant change in rankings
Ranking
Prev This
094 029 Guide (1965) = + 65 kaa.NTo.n se khii.nch ke ye aa.Nchal
099 036 Dastak (1970) = + 63 maaii rii mai.n kaase kahuu.N piir
075 014 Dil Ek Mandir (1963) = + 61 ruk jaa raat Thahar jaa re
cha.ndaa
085 036 Woh Kaun Thi (1964) = + 49 nainaa barase.n rimajhim
rimajhim
017 080 Andaz (1949) = -63 uThaaye jaa unake sitam aur jiye jaa
019 080 Naagin (1954) = -61 meraa dil ye pukaare aa jaa
029 089 Mujhe Jeene Do (1963) = -60 raat bhii hai kuchh bhiigii
bhiigii
039 099 Goonj Uthi Shehnai (1958) = -60 tere sur aur mere giit
Regards
Sukesh
Sunil Dandekar
I fully agree with you. With Gulzar's lyrics it is impossible to
change meaning of anything by changing anything. They are ultimate
examples of maxed out entropy systems in the known universe.
Tere liye palkonki jhalar bunu in first line and then Kaliyonsa gajare
main baandh ke phiroo. For God's sake, is the beloved, subject of love
and reverence? Or is it a prized possession like a poodle to be
carried everywhere? And then dhoop lage jahan tuze or whatever saaya
banoo. Perhaps poetic freedom, perhaps pretentious nothings delivered
under deadline, with the confidence that the fans would make sense of
the mumbo-jumbo. Superlative tune by RD compromised by shoddy lyrics.
Fragrant delicious Ras malai being carried in a black polythene bag!
The less said about the Hum ne dekhi...the better.
regards,
Sunil
vrk
Dear Sunil
while humne dekhi hai is by gulzar, tere liye is most likely by nida
fazli iirc
Abhay Phadnis
> the mumbo-jumbo. Superlative tune by RD compromised by shoddy lyrics.
> Fragrant delicious Ras malai being carried in a black polythene bag!
Surely the *tune* is the outer covering, not the words! If you do want
to heap opprobrium on the lyricist (and it is not Gulzar) while
extolling the MD, then a more appropriate metaphor might be a
beautifully carved sandalwood box packed with trash!
> The less said about the Hum ne dekhi...the better.
I don't care much for "tere liye palako.n kii" - words, tune, singing
are all pretty ordinary. "hamane dekhii hai" is another matter
altogether. Even if you are confused/put off by the opening line(s),
how can one dismiss a song that contains lines like "ho.nTh kuchh
kahate nahii.n kaa.Npate ho.nTho.n pe magar, kitane Kaamosh se
afasaane ruke rahate hai.n"? Or that describes love as contained in
vibrant silence - "ek Kaamoshii hai sunatii hai kahaa karatii hai" -
and then says of that silence,"nuur kii buu.Nd hai sadiyon se bahaa
karatii hai"? A droplet of light flowing across centuries - what a
lovely image! I find these lines compelling - and HK's tune and
Lata's
singing don't hurt them one tiny bit (although HK *could* have gone
easy on the orchestral interludes).
Warm regards,
Abhay
Anant Rege
Did you mean Roshan's tune? :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7eprR-9vNI&feature=related
And I will not be surprised if many people prefer Neeraj words over
Gulzar's.
Anant
> Warm regards,
> Abhay
raaz
The change in raking in different surveys is due to
two main reasons, one is the period spread and the other is
increase in number of participants in final survey.
Every analysis you have posted is highly informative,
at a glance.
Abhay Phadnis
> On Nov 26, 1:44 am, Abhay Phadnis <aphad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > lovely image! I find these lines compelling - and HK's tune and
> > Lata's
> > singing don't hurt them one tiny bit (although HK *could* have gone
> > easy on the orchestral interludes).
>
> Did you mean Roshan's tune? :-)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7eprR-9vNI&feature=related
Thanks for the link - while I have noticed the similarity in the tunes
before, I hadn't realised that both songs also shared the way they
were filmed: being broadcast live on the radio!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Asif
> > dear abhay and vijay
>
> > thanks. but would the meaning be any different if the words were
> > 'banoo.n' and 'in aankho.n'? if she can become the shade and weave
> > fringes - she can also become the fringe - cant she?
>
> I fully agree with you. With Gulzar's lyrics it is impossible to
> change meaning of anything by changing anything. They are ultimate
> examples of maxed out entropy systems in the known universe.
>
> Tere liye palkonki jhalar bunu in first line and then Kaliyonsa gajare
> main baandh ke phiroo. For God's sake, is the beloved, subject of love
> and reverence? Or is it a prized possession like a poodle to be
> carried everywhere? And then dhoop lage jahan tuze or whatever saaya
> banoo. Perhaps poetic freedom, perhaps pretentious nothings delivered
> under deadline, with the confidence that the fans would make sense of
> the mumbo-jumbo. Superlative tune by RD compromised by shoddy lyrics.
> Fragrant delicious Ras malai being carried in a black polythene bag!
>
> The less said about the Hum ne dekhi...the better.
>
I do not see anything wrong in the poetry of both songs. Both Gulzar
and Nida Fazli are accomplished poets and knew exactly what they wrote
in those songs. As others said about 'hamane dekhi hai', the lines in
the song are about the fragrance of 'those' eyes, not the eyes
themselves. Plus, the subject of the love is not around, so she sings
'un' aa.Nkho.n kii - and it makes perfect sense. In fact, the entire
poetry is fabulous imagery of love and one of Gulzar's finest.
As for 'tere liye palako.n kii' (Harjaai, 1980), the poetry, the
music, and the singing are all pretty bland and boring. A couple of
other songs, especially 'tujhasaa hasii.n dekhaa na kahii.n' and
'jiivan me.n jab aise pal', were much, much better in terms of
everything. I cannot believe that Fazli resorted to cheap tukbandi in
'tere liye palako.n kii'. Yet, the opening lines are alright and
convey the same message as these legendary lines do:
suuraj kahii.n bhii jaaye, tum par na dhuup aaye
tumako pukaarate hai.n in gesuo.n ke saaye
aa jaao mai.n banaa duu.N palako.n kaa shaamiyaanaa
So the poet (or the heroine) wishes to weave a shade of her eyelids
for her lover in order to protect him from sunburn. If she herself
becomes 'eyelids' of her lover's eyes instead (as vrk suggests), it
would be no good. There won't be any shade for him. Anyway, please
pay attention to words and characters inside * * again and I hope
these lines would make sense to you and vrk:
tere liye palako.n kii jhaalar *bunuu.N*
kaliyo.n saa gajare me.n baa.Ndhe phiruu.N
dhuup lage jahaa.n tu*jh*e saaya hai
aajaa saajanaa
The lyrics in ISB, as submitted by one Anuraag Shankar, had many
mistakes, including 'banuu.N'.
vrk
Asif saahab
thanks for the detailed clarification.
i certainly was not doubting either poet's creative and technical
competence. however my point (in response to pavan saab's original
mail) is about the two words being interchangeable without really
changing the meaning. (grammatical points aside). so while weaving a
fringe about the eyelids is great, becoming the fringe will provide no
less shade. and 'in' vs 'un' is these eyes vs those eyes. dont really
think it affects the content too much.
and the above lines quoted by you the correct line is
'dhoop lage jahaan tujhe saayaa banoo.n
so if she can become 'saayaa' becoming 'fringe of eyelid' will
probably be as easy or as tough :)
Sunil Dandekar
> On Nov 26, 9:55 am, Sunil Dandekar <sunnydande...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> (snip)
>
> > the mumbo-jumbo. Superlative tune by RD compromised by shoddy lyrics.
> > Fragrant delicious Ras malai being carried in a black polythene bag!
>
> Surely the *tune* is the outer covering, not the words! If you do want
> to heap opprobrium on the lyricist (and it is not Gulzar) while
> extolling the MD, then a more appropriate metaphor might be a
> beautifully carved sandalwood box packed with trash!
The difference in metaphor is probably because of how both of us look
at songs. I look at lyrics (particularly in HFM) as a structure to
hold the melody. If they are meaningful they accentuate beauty of the
song, if they are not, they detract nothing. You probably look at
songs as poems first. Then your metaphor is more appropriate.
>
> > The less said about the Hum ne dekhi...the better.
>
> I don't care much for "tere liye palako.n kii" - words, tune, singing
> are all pretty ordinary. "hamane dekhii hai" is another matter
> altogether. Even if you are confused/put off by the opening line(s),
> how can one dismiss a song that contains lines like "ho.nTh kuchh
> kahate nahii.n kaa.Npate ho.nTho.n pe magar, kitane Kaamosh se
> afasaane ruke rahate hai.n"? Or that describes love as contained in
> vibrant silence - "ek Kaamoshii hai sunatii hai kahaa karatii hai" -
> and then says of that silence,"nuur kii buu.Nd hai sadiyon se bahaa
> karatii hai"? A droplet of light flowing across centuries - what a
> lovely image! I find these lines compelling - and HK's tune and
> Lata's
> singing don't hurt them one tiny bit (although HK *could* have gone
> easy on the orchestral interludes).
I agree with you about Lata and HK. The tune is so captivating and
rendered so well by LM that I can mostly overlook the words. Gulzar's
'poetry' is mostly abstract art for me. Jumble of metaphors,
contradictions like khamoshi sunana and kahena, quite often
juxtaposition of simply meaningless phrases, I do not find that very
interesting and profound.
But I understand that there are people who love abstract art, who am I
to blame them? But not for me for sure.
regards,
Sunil
Sunil Dandekar
That's very astute observation! I knew both the songs but never
noticed the similarity. Thanks.
IMHO HK's version/inspiration sounds more melodious.
regards,
Sunil