Biden and Palin Both Did Very Well (NDC)
Loin Falcon
idiot. Biden's deep knowledge of essentially every topic that was
discussed was extremely impressive. Biden had an impossible task in
this debate. Any attacks on Palin were extremely likely to backfire.
So he settled for relentlessly attacking McCain. I think it worked
quite well. Palin seemed knoweldgable and competent enough to diffuse
most of the firestorm surrounding her candidacy. I think the McCain
campagn stopped the bleeding tonight; Palin will no longer be seen as
a major liability. The GOP will now be able to far more plausibly say
that criticism of her is the result of the "liberal media.
But man, Biden was just so impressive. I can't really point to a
single mistake he made all night long. There were two winners
tonight, it will be fascinating to see what, if anything, this debate
does to the tracking polls.
Peace,
Neil X.
Avant Grape
VP debates don't decide elections.
-JC
frndthdevl
>
> - Show quoted text -
Woohoo,another Neil?JC debate!
Hmm patriots at Niners and you two have nothing to say? Because in
other worlds JC is a closeted Niner fan.
Loin Falcon
wrote:
And this one won't decide this election. But it could have been a
rare VP debate that was pivotal, if Palin was anything close to as bad
at debating as she was at being interviewed by Katie Couric. She made
it possible for McCain's campaign to be able to plausibly fight on.
Peace,
Neil X.
kpn...@yahoo.com
The problem with the debate was that everyone was focused on Palin.
IMHO, Biden was impressive. Solid. Palin? Initially, she drifted as
she does when asked questions. I don't think she answered the first
three questions. However, she didn't choke so therefore she "won".
Kurt
Loin Falcon
Well, of course the Patriots will crush the 49ers. Duh. O'Sullivan
was on the Patriots last year, you can bet that Belichick knows his
weaknesses better than any coach in the league at this point.
Peace,
Neili X.
frndthdevl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LezwdhkV5t0
if you are unhappy with your silloutte
plenty of dreams on your pillow yet
scarletbgonias
But, Palin didn't answer any questions. She deflected throughout the
entire debate.
Avant Grape
In other words, she did what she needed to do.
-JC
Lfh
> > But, Palin didn't answer any questions. She deflected throughout the
> > entire debate.
>
> In other words, she did what she needed to do.
She did. She did her job far better than expected, though I still
don't equate that with doing well, and it staved off the "oh, my god,
she's a fucking moron" chorus for a bit. Still as deep as a puddle,
but not a complete fool. I was saying today to some folks that I was
wondering if a lot of the recent idiocy was all a setup to make the
bar so low that she would shine in comparison.
Fred
frndthdevl
JimK
Sorry, but to me your response just shows that the McCain campaign's
efforts to lower expectations for Palin's debate performance were
successful. At least 75% of her answers were unresponsive and not
relevant in any way to the question asked. Unless she was prohibited
from doing so under the rules of the debate, I don't understand why
Gwen Ifill didn't ask follow ups to try to get answers that were on
point. In addition, her grossly excessive display of so-called
folksiness was enough to make one ill. As I've said before, Sarah
Palin sounds like she's running for senior class president, not
vice-president of the U.S.
JimK
Avant Grape
Well, she still looked idiotic to any thinking person IMO. I don't see
that she swayed non-partisans: while the bar was low and Republicas are
saying she destroyed Biden, I doubt most people are buying it. Like I
said, this gets the Republican base partisans lubricated.
-JC
scarletbgonias
Yes, she did that, indeed. But....
Biden has corners, Palin can't find one.
desdave
>
> -JC
She did exactly what she needed to do alright... which was convince
her base that she was worthy of following into the fire. I doubt that
Independent voters bought into it, but her base will be re-
energized.
The snap shot polls show about the same result as Friday nights
debates. CNN 51-39. CBS poll of 'undecideds" was like 44 Biden, 21
Palin, 33 tie. But, of course, Niel said those didnt matter last
week, so they must not matter now.
Her inability to answer a few of the questions was telling. Once she
even said something along the lines of "I am not going to answer the
questions the way you or the moderator want me to." The answers she
did offer, sounded so sound-bitey and rehearsed... to these ears at
least.
She didn't drool on herself, so that makes her the winner? She
avoided answering questions she wasn't comfortable with and that makes
her the winner? The main difference between tonight and her
convention speech... she had someone there to say "Your wrong and
John's wrong".
On substance Biden not only won, but frankly kicked her ass. On
cuteness, she won. On her fifth Reagan reference I felt as if I was
gonna puke. The american people usually respond to cutesy answers,
but I think they may see right through her. She had "mantras", which
seemed to always revert back to "Wasilla" or "Energy/Oil". Wants to
expand powers of Vice Presidency... more than Cheney did?
She looked better than she did on Couric...
I said it last week I was worried that the bar would be set so low she
would end up the winner... I hope that is not the case in the
"tracking polls" Neil drools over. I wonder what she meant at the end
when she said she wouldnt be beholden to the main-stream-media
anymore... does that mean no more funny interviews? If so, I am
bummed, because she came across as friggen brilliant in those
interviews.
Dave from Ontario
DGDevin
> Palin will be seen as a big hit just by not looking like a gibbering
> idiot. Biden's deep knowledge of essentially every topic that was
> discussed was extremely impressive. Biden had an impossible task in
> this debate. Any attacks on Palin were extremely likely to backfire.
> So he settled for relentlessly attacking McCain. I think it worked
> quite well. Palin seemed knoweldgable and competent enough to diffuse
> most of the firestorm surrounding her candidacy. I think the McCain
> campagn stopped the bleeding tonight; Palin will no longer be seen as
> a major liability. The GOP will now be able to far more plausibly say
> that criticism of her is the result of the "liberal media.
Palin seemed to be playing memorized speeches much of the time, they
obviously prepped her extensively to revert to the canned messages whenever
possible. I thought rather weak moderation allowed both candidates to duck
questions and make speeches instead. If the question was about an economic
issue or whatever then they shouldn't have been allowed to veer off topic.
One spot where Palin had to visibly tread water was the question about
Cheney's claim that the VP is in both the executive *and* legislative
branches, she obviously didn't know what to say although she did a better
job of covering up than in her interview with Katie Couric. Biden's
response was confident and assertive which made Palin look like the rookie
she is.
But overall Palin did well, I thought she took the fight to Biden quite
often. For example her repeated claim that the Obama campaign spends too
much time looking back at Bush is probably going to be effective with many
voters. I realize Biden had to be careful, but I thought he did well when
he referred to specific legislation and how McCain voted leaving Palin high
and dry. He could have scored more such points because she had no way to
respond effectively, she wasn't there and would be unlikely to know.
Obviously Biden showed more substance, but people who were leaning to McCain
aren't going to be persuaded by that, and the undecided probably aren't
going to care that much about the VP debate anyway. Perhaps you're right
and they've stopped the bleeding unless Palin does more interviews and
screws up. Biden has done about 90 interviews since becoming the candidate,
Palin has done three, that should tell people something despite her decent
performance tonight. However just in soaking up so much media focus she's
helped to draw attention from McCain's record of supporting the Bush
administration and that has been an effective tactic in itself. In a sense
I'm disappointed, I was hoping she'd flail around and lose it, but she
didn't and really that's all she had to accomplish. She might be
inexperienced and have some whacko beliefs but it's clear she's a skillful
politician who apparently takes coaching well.
Andrew Murawa
I totally agree. Although, by any reasonable standard, Palin was
absolutely horrible. However, compared to the standard she set for
herself, she was a rousing success...
But the real story here is Biden's complete professionalism,
discipline and knowledge.
All this really means is that Palin is along for the rest of the ride,
and the VP race is a washout...
JimK
One early poll of nondecided voters indicated that 41% thought Biden
won the debate, 26% favored Palin, with 33% calling it even. That's a
pretty solid margin. As unreliable as early polls may be, this one
helps restore some of my faith in the voters. Palin is apparently
fooling fewer people than some think.
JimK
Avant Grape
Yup - if you're outside the Fox News bubble that is.
-JC
Kirk McElhearn
<avantnog...@sbcglobal.net> said:
> VP debates don't decide elections.
This one might, with one candidate being 72 and having recurring melanoma.
Kirk
--
Read my blog, Kirkville
http://www.mcelhearn.com
Kirk McElhearn
> But the real story here is Biden's complete professionalism,
> discipline and knowledge.
Yes, he did exactly what he needed to do. He stayed on message, he
didn't talk down to Palin (because that would be, what, sexist?), and
he was frank and sincere. In the beginning, though, he was speaking way
too fast; it was disturbing. Palin, though, just kept answering
imaginary questions...
ML
Palin was quivering...true, she held it together,
but she didn't make sense at times, refused to answer
questions (what a fucking diva she must think she is!)
and ducked and dodged until I couldn't see straight.
I believe she outright lied a few times.
She pronounces "nuclear" like Bush. If she said
"maverick" again I was going to scream.
Some of the time she was making sense, but
mostly she bullshitted her way through it,
and reminded me of a dog chasing it's tail.
She made clear that she is, as I knew, unsuitable
for this position McCain has put her in.
Biden came through.
Avant Grape
> On 2008-10-03 05:01:36 +0200, Avant Grape
> <avantnog...@sbcglobal.net> said:
>
>> VP debates don't decide elections.
>
> This one might, with one candidate being 72 and having recurring melanoma.
Well, with expectations so low, the storyline is that she did well: 54%
of the electorate thinks she's qualified for the VP slot according to
one poll (pretty sad statistic I might add). Therefore, I don't see how
she crashes and burns McCain's candidacy. It's really all about Obama
at this point. He's got all the conditions to win this election. Now
he has to close the deal.
-JC
kpn...@yahoo.com
At one point I thought she was baiting Ifill to follow up since she
was not answering the questions asked. Then the RWNW contingent could
claim media harassment. I think both Biden and Ifill decided to let
the chips fall as they may when it was apparent she was going to
launch into meandering for any question.
Kurt
Loin Falcon
>
> Sorry, but to me your response just shows that the McCain campaign's
> efforts to lower expectations for Palin's debate performance were
> successful.
90% of the Democrats I know were drooling about the idea of watching
Palin get evicerated last night. I knew that they were going to be
sorely disappointed. All she had to do is not look like a deer caught
in the headlights to accomplish what she needed to.
> At least 75% of her answers were unresponsive and not
> relevant in any way to the question asked.
Right, you have to give her credit that most folks didn't realize
that.
> Unless she was prohibited
> from doing so under the rules of the debate, I don't understand why
> Gwen Ifill didn't ask follow ups to try to get answers that were on
> point.
Indeed, different format from the first debate. Every second was
scripted. Follow ups were not allowed.
> In addition, her grossly excessive display of so-called
> folksiness was enough to make one ill.
She sounds just like all of my friends and relatives in northern
Minnesota. Minnesota and Wisconsin are critical states, her accent is
going to play very well there.
Peace,
Neil X.
Ray
Yup, exactly. With her embarrassing Gibson and Couric interviews Palin
was becoming cement shoes that were threatening to drag the McCain
campaign to the bottom of the river. And ultimately she may still do
that. But last night, by not coming across as an idiot but instead
with someone with a functioning brain, she kept the McCain campaign
alive to fight another day.
9fingers
I couldn't believe it when she announced that she was not going to
answer Gwen's questions, and instead was going to speak directly to
the American people. I'm sure that was the strategy, since it allowed
her to recite her talking points instead of having to think on the
spot and come up with answers to the questions. But I don't think her
handlers wanted her to admit it out loud.
Avant Grape
She does have that kind of accent. She also sounds quite a bit like a
Canadian hick.
-JC
Ray
I disagree, in that I think that her handlers not only wanted her to
say that out loud but that they wrote it and rehearsed it with her
repeatedly. It plays right into the "the elite media is trying to
censor me" meme that the McCain campaign is shoveling right now, in an
effort to dig Palin out of the hole that she dug herself into in her
Gibson and Couric interviews.
Damn that evil, elite media, and its evil eliteness... ###
Loin Falcon
wrote:
I keep flashing back to the Coen Brothers' "Fargo" when I hear her
talking. Speaking of the Coen Brothers, Netflix just sent me "No
Country for Old Men," I'm looking forward to seeing that tonight.
Peace,
Neil X.
Loin Falcon
It will play well to the FoxNews GOP base, but it's not going to help,
at all, with undecideds. But it's classical Politics Neauveau; the
Rovian concept that energizing and mobilizing the base is more
important that appealing to the middle is alive and well in
McCainville.
Peace,
Neil X.
JimK
Good movie, but I thought it was somewhat overrated.
JimK
Brad Greer
<nei...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 2, 11:09�pm, frndthdevl <frndthd...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 8:01 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Loin Falcon wrote:
>> > > Palin will be seen as a big hit just by not looking like a gibbering
>> > > idiot. Biden's deep knowledge of essentially every topic that was
>> > > discussed was extremely impressive. Biden had an impossible task in
>> > > this debate. Any attacks on Palin were extremely likely to backfire.
>> > > So he settled for relentlessly attacking McCain. I think it worked
>> > > quite well. Palin seemed knoweldgable and competent enough to diffuse
>> > > most of the firestorm surrounding her candidacy. I think the McCain
>> > > campagn stopped the bleeding tonight; Palin will no longer be seen as
>> > > a major liability. The GOP will now be able to far more plausibly say
>> > > that criticism of her is the result of the "liberal media.
>>
>> > > But man, Biden was just so impressive. I can't really point to a
>> > > single mistake he made all night long. There were two winners
>> > > tonight, it will be fascinating to see what, if anything, this debate
>> > > does to the tracking polls.
>>
>> > VP debates don't decide elections.
>>
>> > -JC- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Woohoo,another Neil?JC debate!
>>
>> Hmm patriots at Niners and you two have nothing to say? Because in
>> other worlds JC is a closeted Niner fan.
>
>
>
>Well, of course the Patriots will crush the 49ers. Duh. O'Sullivan
>was on the Patriots last year, you can bet that Belichick knows his
>weaknesses better than any coach in the league at this point.
>
Do the Niners have "the fear" of the Patriots?
Ray
Yeah. I think they initially brought Palin in to both energize the
base and to appeal to the undecideds with her purported maverick-
ishness, but after her cringe-level performances in the Gibson and
Couric interviews I think her primary function now is to energize
base. And as you say attacking the evil, elite media and its evil
eliteness serves that function.
Ray
<Palin> Yup, yup. </Palin>
9fingers
You may be right, but it seemed foolish to me for her to tip her hand
like that. It made it obvious that she wasn't prepared to think on her
feet, and respond to questions in real time.
I don't understand this "censor" business. Who is trying to censor
her? All Couric did was try to get her to answer a few questions. It's
the McCain campaign that has keeping her under wraps.
Ray
She's speaking to her Christian-fundi anti-education base, who eats
that sort of thing up.
> I don't understand this "censor" business. Who is trying to censor
> her? All Couric did was try to get her to answer a few questions. It's
> the McCain campaign that has keeping her under wraps.
It's campaign spin-bullshit. Makes about as much sense as living in a
state where one can "see Russia" and somehow think that makes one in
any sense qualified to be president. (And for what it's worth I spent
a summer in Alaska, and I didn't see Russia once. And I suspect Palin
hasn't either.)
Amazingly, some people actually buy that sort of crap.
ML
>
> Amazingly, some people actually buy that sort of crap.
My son and I looked at each other
towards the end when she stated, in
not answering yet another question, "John McCain
knows how to win wars!"
What? I said, "He knows how to FIGHT, and
how to be a POW, and how to START wars...."
My son said, "Knows how to win wars?
He's 0 for 1!"
Palin: Bullshit, lies, talking
like we are really, really stupid...and
lots of us are, obviously.
mjd
>
> - Show quoted text -
this gem got me in particular. note how she attributes the 'trillion
dollar proposal on the table' to the Obama/Biden ticket. Excuse me,
and I realize it's been doctored up a bit over the past two weeks, but
isn't that a Bush administration proposal???
"But the policies and the proposals have got to speak for themselves,
also. And, again, voters on November 4th are going to have that choice
to either support a ticket that supports policies that create jobs.
You do that by lowering taxes on American workers and on our
businesses. And you build up infrastructure, and you rein in
government spending, and you make our -- our nation energy
independent.
Or you support a ticket that supports policies that will kill jobs by
increasing taxes. And that's what the track record shows, is a desire
to increase taxes, increase spending, a trillion-dollar spending
proposal that's on the table. That's going to hurt our country, and
saying no to energy independence. Clear choices on November 4th."
marklaw
It seemed to me that much of the time Biden was speaking there was a
split screen so that Palin would also be visible, whereas when Palin
was speaking there were fewer split screens.
Also, when Biden spoke he faced the moderator much of the time,
whereas Palin spoke directly to the camera; Palin's experience as a
talking head on TV probably helped her with this.
In debates, the candidates don't have to answer the questions, as both
Biden and Palin demonstrated last night. They can ignore the
questions and talk about their own strengths and their opponents'
weakneses. In interviews, however, they can't do that and their own
weaknesses can be exposed.
And Joe six pack?
LP
It is amazing, and the same people that gobble up the syrupy BS that
Palin spews in place of actual ANSWERS, are the ones who put W in
office - TWICE. Apparently they want simple, folksy sub-average
talking heads to occupy the offices at the top. Biden is the only one
of the two who has the capacity to grasp the types of issues a VP may
face if pressed into service as POTUS. But that's not what the
religion-addled masses want - they want a barbie doll that says folksy
little nothings.
LP
LP
At one point last night I just wanted for Biden to say to Palin "The
word is pronounced NEW- CLEAR! It's not NEW-KYU-LER - learn how to
pronounce the word!"
But I learned years ago that all republicans who want to get elected
need to say "nookyooler" in order to appeal to the brain-dead masses
that think W is a great leader. It's as if they need to validate his
mispronunciation.
LP
9fingers
When McCain first said that he knows how to win wars, and how we're
gonna win in Iraq, I thought, holy shit, this guy is clueless as to
what's going on. Also, when he keeps repeating how the surge has
worked, as if the surge was an end in itself
Ray
Yup. As long as she's a fundi-Christian and has her NRA card, she's
their gal.
ML
Right you are.
Another bit of humor was enjoyed by my son
and myself the 3rd or 4th time Palin spoke
of these horrible ### countries "They hate
America! They hate us! Our freedoms! Our
liberties, our...."
William said, "Yeah, that's what they say
on their brochures..."
I had to laugh when Biden referred to himself
third party -- he pulled a Bob Dole!
Ray
And didn't McCain vote for the same bill, saying it necessary to do
so? Why yes, he did.
Ray
Speaking of, Palin shoveled more of the "I'm being censored by the
evil-elite media" meme on... wait for it... Fox News:
---------------------
"The Sarah Palin in those interviews was a little bit
annoyed," [Palin] said. "It's like, man, no matter what you say, you
are going to get clobbered. If you choose to answer a question, you
are going to get clobbered on the answer. If you choose to try to
pivot and go to another subject that you believe that Americans want
to hear about, you get clobbered for that too...
"In those Katie Couric interviews, I did feel that there were lot of
things that she was missing in terms of an opportunity to ask what a
VP candidate stands for, what the values are represented in our
ticket. I wanted to talk about Barack Obama increasing taxes, which
would lead to killing jobs... I want to talk about things like that.
So I guess I have to apologize for being a bit annoyed, but that's
also an indication of being outside the Washington elite, outside of
the media elite also. I just wanted to talk to Americans without the
filter and let them know what we stand for."
---------------------
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/palin-on-fox-news-couric_n_131655.html
wyeknot
> At one point last night I just wanted for Biden to say to Palin "The
> word is pronounced NEW- CLEAR! It's not NEW-KYU-LER - learn
> how to pronounce the word!"
No it's not. It's ˈnü-klē-ər --- *three* syllables, not two.
Matt
Brad Greer
Canada is the 51st state, after all. Heck, they even made their
dollars worth the same as ours (more or less) in an effort to boost
their 51st state image.
DGDevin
> In debates, the candidates don't have to answer the questions, as both
> Biden and Palin demonstrated last night. They can ignore the
> questions and talk about their own strengths and their opponents'
> weakneses.
Not if the moderator keeps them on track. They even asked at times if they
could veer off on some other point and Gwen Eiffel just nodded like she'd
taken too much pain medication for her busted ankle. I was disappointed in
her overly tolerate approach to the job. Too much of this so-called debate
was just a series of mini-speeches especially from Palin who was without
doubt coached to do exactly that. A more energetic moderator would probably
have resulted in Palin getting into water over her head more often.
marklaw
Gwen had to handle Palin with kid gloves because of her well-
publicized bias.
LP
Yes I get that. The word clear when pronounced distincly has
essentially the same sound as the end of the word "nu-clear". It's
spelled the same. If you pronounce it as "new-cleer" that's
different. When I say the word "clear" it sounds like 2 syllables.
LP
JimK
<nei...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>
>It will play well to the FoxNews GOP base, but it's not going to help,
>at all, with undecideds. But it's classical Politics Neauveau; the
>Rovian concept that energizing and mobilizing the base is more
>important that appealing to the middle is alive and well in
>McCainville.
>
>Peace,
>Neil X.
That worked with Bush because if they got them riled up enough, they
could count on the entire base turning out to vote. But a sizable
portion of that base can't stand McCain and his maverick persona. It's
pretty tough to endear and activate your base when you've spent your
career posing as a rebel against your own party. And his love affair
with Lieberman has to really grate on the base. McCain will still win
the Republican strongholds, but he's in trouble in virtually all of
the battleground states.
JimK
wyeknot
> Yes I get that. The word clear when pronounced distincly has
> essentially the same sound as the end of the word "nu-clear".
I disagree and so does M-W:
clear - \ˈklir\
nuclear - \ˈnü-klē-ər\
> It's
> spelled the same. If you pronounce it as "new-cleer" that's
> different. When I say the word "clear" it sounds like 2 syllables.
Sounds like you mispronounce "clear" then. ;-)
Matt
DGDevin
> Gwen had to handle Palin with kid gloves because of her well-
> publicized bias.
If she wasn't prepared to do the job properly then she shouldn't have
accepted. As it was Eiffel was little more than an announcer, the
candidates might as well have been given the time to read prepared speeches.
Did you see the wave of relief that swept over Palin when it was over? She
looked like she was going to kiss Biden on the mouth. I don't think Palin
or her handlers expected she was going to be allowed to get away with that
non-responsive performance.
Imagine this "debate" with Ed Bradley as moderator, or Wm. F. Buckley, Jr.
Palin would have been taken from the building on a stretcher straight to the
psych ward.
LP
Go ahead and nitpick. I'll still never say "nookyooler" so there.
LP
Thomas Beck
"Loin Falcon" <nei...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5d71dbf8-a050-4084...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I keep flashing back to the Coen Brothers' "Fargo" when I hear her
talking. Speaking of the Coen Brothers, Netflix just sent me "No
Country for Old Men," I'm looking forward to seeing that tonight.
Peace,
Neil X.
~~~~~~~~~~~
It was an OK movie, but it does grossly exaggerate
the speech patterns and general thought process
of most of the people of Minnesota. I can see where
it would seem amusing to those from Boston or Southern
Cal though.
Tom
ML
Well, doggone it, bless your heart Larry,
Matt just doesn't understand, but I do,
he's from Massachusetts, you know....
joke...@gmail.com
> > I couldn't believe it when she announced that she was not going to
> > answer Gwen's questions, and instead was going to speak directly to
> > the American people. I'm sure that was the strategy, since it allowed
> > her to recite her talking points instead of having to think on the
> > spot and come up with answers to the questions. But I don't think her
> > handlers wanted her to admit it out loud.
>
> I disagree, in that I think that her handlers not only wanted her to
> say that out loud but that they wrote it and rehearsed it with her
> repeatedly. It plays right into the "the elite media is trying to
> censor me" meme that the McCain campaign is shoveling right now, in an
> effort to dig Palin out of the hole that she dug herself into in her
> Gibson and Couric interviews.
>
> Damn that evil, elite media, and its evil eliteness... ###
Ray's right. Blaming the media is central to the McCain strategy right
now. And the McPalin folk make no apologies for it. If you say
something stupid or slightly off or entirely contradictory, it's just
not your fault. It's, oh, you know, "reporters".
joke...@gmail.com
It's all clear, uh, I mean, kle-er, to me now...
wyeknot
> On Oct 3, 3:10 pm, LP <so.you...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 3, 12:54 pm, wyeknot <wyeknot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's spelled the same. If you pronounce it as "new-cleer" that's
> > > > different. When I say the word "clear" it sounds like 2 syllables.
>
> > > Sounds like you mispronounce "clear" then. ;-)
>
> > Go ahead and nitpick. I'll still never say "nookyooler" so there.
>
> Matt just doesn't understand, but I do,
> he's from Massachusetts, you know....
Does it follow that Merriam-Webster hails from Mass too??? :-)
Matt
volkfolk
> On Oct 2, 11:31 pm, frndthdevl <frndthd...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Go Manny!
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LezwdhkV5t0
>
> > if you are unhappy with your silloutte
> > plenty of dreams on your pillow yet
>
> But, Palin didn't answer any questions. She deflected throughout the
> entire debate.
That's not the point. Politics is perception. She exceeded the dire
predictions about her performance. That's what people remember. She
came out ot the debate looking better than she went in and didn't do
any damage to McCain.
Most people don't even understand 90% of the issues anyway, especially
when it comes to foreign policy or the minutae of economic policy.
But as JC said, VP debates don't decide elections. Lloyd Benson wiped
the floor with Dan Quayle and Bush still won.
Scot
JimK
That seems to be the general media take on the debate, but just about
every poll I've seen indicates that Biden won handily. Maybe you can't
fool all of the people all of the time.
JimK
ML
>
> That seems to be the general media take on the debate, but just about
> every poll I've seen indicates that Biden won handily. Maybe you can't
> fool all of the people all of the time.
>
> JimK
You can be in my dream if I can be in yours.
(Bob Dylan said that)
Loin Falcon
I'm not sure what, exactly, it says about "thought patterns." But as
for speech, if anything, Fargo was understated compared to what I hear
when I visit family on the Iron Range. No, folks in the Twin Cities
don't sound much like that, but up in the northern half of the state,
they definitely do.
Peace,
Neil X.
Kelly Humphries
> On Oct 3, 6:33 pm, "Thomas Beck" <trb...@pclink.com> wrote:
> > "Loin Falcon" <nei...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > talking. Speaking of the Coen Brothers, Netflix just sent me "No
> > Country for Old Men," I'm looking forward to seeing that tonight.
> >
> > > the speech patterns and general thought process
> > > of most of the people of Minnesota. I can see where
> > > it would seem amusing to those from Boston or Southern
> > > Cal though.
>
> I'm not sure what, exactly, it says about "thought patterns." But as
> for speech, if anything, Fargo was understated compared to what I hear
> when I visit family on the Iron Range. No, folks in the Twin Cities
> don't sound much like that, but up in the northern half of the state,
> they definitely do.
I was well into the middle of "Fargo" when I finally cracked up at
some point over a dialectically enhanced uttering from one of the
characters. My viewing companion wondered why it took me that long to
laugh at how they were talking. I said, "because I have stepbrothers
(in suburban Chicago) who have actually said things like:
'Hay maw, cun ay hev eh sowda?'"
Fortunately for me and my psyche, their maw does not respond, "Oh,
yah!"
Carlisle
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> this gem got me in particular. note how she attributes the 'trillion
> dollar proposal on the table' to the Obama/Biden ticket. Excuse me,
> isn't that a Bush administration proposal???
True on the bailout (the Incumbent Protection Plan) but I believe she
was referring to all the other Obama spending proposals.
>
> "But the policies and the proposals have got to speak for themselves,
> also. And, again, voters on November 4th are going to have that choice
> to either support a ticket that supports policies that create jobs.
>
> You do that by lowering taxes on American workers and on our
> businesses. And you build up infrastructure, and you rein in
> government spending, and you make our -- our nation energy
> independent.
>
> Or you support a ticket that supports policies that will kill jobs by
> increasing taxes. And that's what the track record shows, is a desire
> to increase taxes, increase spending, a trillion-dollar spending
> proposal that's on the table. That's going to hurt our country, and
> saying no to energy independence. Clear choices on November 4th."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
And this is wrong, how? A trillion here, a trillion there, it starts
to add up after awhile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQEMWq6lTo&eurl=http://www.redstateupdate.com/