Antonin Dvorak's "New World Symphony"
Nicolas.Monin
I'm currently searching for the lyrics in english of an extract of
Antonin Dvorak's "New World Symphony" called "A Better World" (or
approaching). It is probably the third move of the symphony.
Maybe somebody knows where I can find it, or can send it to me
Thanks by advance
Bytemaster
"Nicolas.Monin" <Nicola...@ciril.fr> wrote in message
news:3BB9D562...@ciril.fr...
The new world symphony has not any lyrics, but it can be that the second
movement is used as a song (by choirs or soloists).
Dimitri
Dan Seriff
The only song drawn from the New World that I know of is a pseudo-spiritual
called "Goin' Home", which uses the english horn melody from the slow
movement. You can probably find the lyrics in any number of "Americana"
anthologies. Find your local sheet music store, and ask the owner, who is
the most likely to know where you can find it.
Daniel Seriff
micro...@sericap.com
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- Bob the Dinosaur
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- Brak
Dr.Matt
Dan Seriff <micro...@sericap.com> wrote:
>on 10/2/01 12:40 PM, Bytemaster at bytema...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> "Nicolas.Monin" <Nicola...@ciril.fr> wrote in message
>> news:3BB9D562...@ciril.fr...
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm currently searching for the lyrics in english of an extract of
>>> Antonin Dvorak's "New World Symphony" called "A Better World" (or
>>> approaching). It is probably the third move of the symphony.
>>> Maybe somebody knows where I can find it, or can send it to me
>>> Thanks by advance
>>
>> The new world symphony has not any lyrics, but it can be that the second
>> movement is used as a song (by choirs or soloists).
>
>The only song drawn from the New World that I know of is a pseudo-spiritual
>called "Goin' Home", which uses the english horn melody from the slow
>movement. You can probably find the lyrics in any number of "Americana"
>anthologies. Find your local sheet music store, and ask the owner, who is
>the most likely to know where you can find it.
I've always thought A.D. wrote the theme of the 2nd movement as a deliberate
parody-variation of "Swing Low Sweet Chariot". Basically pentatonic tunes
were already in his musical vocabulary, and at the time there was a fad
for using pentatonic tunes to allude either to Afroamerican music or
aboriginal American (American Indian) music.
>Daniel Seriff
>micro...@sericap.com
>http://members.tripod.com/microtonal
>
>Honesty means never having to say "Please don't flush me down the toilet!"
> - Bob the Dinosaur
>
>When the ratings go up, it's like the whole world is made of donuts.
> - Brak
>
--
Matthew H. Fields http://www-personal.umich.edu/~fields
"Is there a hemidemisemiquaver in the house?"
Henry Glenworthy
> "Nicolas.Monin" <Nicola...@ciril.fr> wrote:
> > I'm currently searching for the lyrics in english of an extract of
> > Antonin Dvorak's "New World Symphony" called "A Better World"
> > (or approaching). It is probably the third move of the symphony.
> > Maybe somebody knows where I can find it, or can send it to me
> > Thanks by advance
> The new world symphony has not any lyrics, but it can be that the
> second movement is used as a song (by choirs or soloists).
>>>>
"Goin' Home".
==================================
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
I don't think the OP was suggesting that the symphony itself
has lyrics, just that part of it has acquired some. The
only lyrics I know are the "spiritual" - "Goin' Home", which
uses the main theme of the second movement. There may well
be other settings out there - people can't seem to resist
putting words to a good tune. Witness: "Tonight We Love" to
Tschaikowsy, "Full Moon and Empty Arms" to the Rach 2nd (or
maybe it's the other way around), "I'm Always Chasing
Rainbows" to Chopin's Fantasy Impromptu, as well as "Till
the End of Time" to his Ab Polonaise. (Not to mention a few
Broadway musicals: "Kismet" to Borodin, "Song of Norway" to
Greig, "The Great Waltz" to Johann Strauss....)
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Dan Seriff wrote:
>
>
> anthologies. Find your local sheet music store, and ask the owner, who is
> the most likely to know where you can find it.
That USED to be a likely source for such info, but either
you have access to an extraordinary sheet music store, or
you're living in the past! (Most of those I've wandered
into within the last several years give you the same blank
"Duh, I dunno!" that you find among clerks in CD stores,
when you're seeking classical music.)
Rajeev Aloysius
> parody-variation of "Swing Low Sweet Chariot". Basically pentatonic tunes
> were already in his musical vocabulary, and at the time there was a fad
> for using pentatonic tunes to allude either to Afroamerican music or
> aboriginal American (American Indian) music.
>
> >Daniel Seriff
Actually all the tunes in the New World are very Czech. The negro
spiritual-ness is fake, like "Pugnani-Kreisler".
Regards
Rajeev
Dr.Matt
Hi, Rajeev, check attributions, you were replying to me, not Daniel.
That's exactly what I meant when I said "pentatonic tunes were already
in his vocabulary".....
r_...@my-deja.com
This comes up from time to time in these newsgroups. Here's a post
I found on Google:
From: EPalladino (Myron...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Text to Goin' Home (was Re: A. Dvorak -New World)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Date: 2000/08/08
Text to Goin' Home
Music by A. Dvorak (Largo from the "New World" symphony)
Text: William Arms Fisher
Goin' home, goin' home
I'm a goin' home
Quiet like, some still day
I'm jes' goin' home.
It's not far, jes' close by,
Through an open door;
Work all done, care laid by,
Gwine to fear no more.
Mother's there 'specting' me,
Father's waitin' too;
Lots o' fook gather'd there,
All the friends I knew,
All the friends I knew.
Home, home,
I'm goin' home!
(Looked at in this way, the text seems even less like the
text of an authentic Negro spiritual. The text has all the
signs of an attempt of some poet to come up with words to
insert into Dvorak's melody that would sound like a Negro
spiritual.)
Beth Palladino
Dan Seriff
wrote:
We're lucky in Austin. We've got a small but excellent music store right
near campus. If you don't have such a store locally call Petelson's
(212-582-5840) or Frank's (212-582-1999) in New York.
Archer070
> Through an open door;
> Work all done, care laid by,
> Gwine to fear no more.
And as Lenny Bruce noted, "When I gets up dah I's goin't to find out what a
'gwyne' is."
Peter T. Daniels
> We're lucky in Austin. We've got a small but excellent music store right
> near campus. If you don't have such a store locally call Petelson's
> (212-582-5840) or Frank's (212-582-1999) in New York.
What and where is Frank's?
The Juilliard Store (up on the plaza level) is tiny but well-stocked,
too.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Dan Seriff
> Dan Seriff wrote:
>
>> We're lucky in Austin. We've got a small but excellent music store right
>> near campus. If you don't have such a store locally call Petelson's
>> (212-582-5840) or Frank's (212-582-1999) in New York.
>
> What and where is Frank's?
It's a music store in New York. I don't know much about it (as far as stock
and availability goes), since I've only ordered from them once before. As
for where in the city they're located, I've got no clue. The last time I was
in New York was in '94, and I wasn't seeking out music stores at the time.
Peter T. Daniels
>
> on 10/3/01 7:26 PM, Peter T. Daniels at gram...@att.net wrote:
>
> > Dan Seriff wrote:
> >
> >> We're lucky in Austin. We've got a small but excellent music store right
> >> near campus. If you don't have such a store locally call Petelson's
> >> (212-582-5840) or Frank's (212-582-1999) in New York.
> >
> > What and where is Frank's?
>
> It's a music store in New York. I don't know much about it (as far as stock
> and availability goes), since I've only ordered from them once before. As
> for where in the city they're located, I've got no clue. The last time I was
> in New York was in '94, and I wasn't seeking out music stores at the time.
If that's a current phone number, then it must be very close to
Patelson's. (JUdson 2 was the exchange.)
BenHeneghan
(Dr.Matt) writes:
>I've always thought A.D. wrote the theme of the 2nd movement as a deliberate
>parody-variation of "Swing Low Sweet Chariot".
Interesting. I've always thought the very same thing about the 1st movement's
g-major 2nd subject played by the flute in its lowest octave accompanied by
light string sustained chords (just identifying it for everyone...)
best wishes
Ben Heneghan
See some of my scores at http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/
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Dr.Matt
BenHeneghan <benhe...@aol.composer> wrote:
>In article <Edou7.3235$b7.5...@news.itd.umich.edu>, fie...@login.itd.umich.edu
>(Dr.Matt) writes:
>
>>I've always thought A.D. wrote the theme of the 2nd movement as a deliberate
>>parody-variation of "Swing Low Sweet Chariot".
>
>Interesting. I've always thought the very same thing about the 1st movement's
>g-major 2nd subject played by the flute in its lowest octave accompanied by
>light string sustained chords (just identifying it for everyone...)
Hmmm, that sounds to me more like "turkey in the straw" rewritten in
Dorian mode.
>best wishes
>Ben Heneghan
>See some of my scores at http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/
>Remove poser to email
Dan Seriff
I figured they were at least in the same borough, with the same prefix and
all. A phone book will certainly tell you more specifically than I can,
though.
Peter T. Daniels
>
> on 10/4/01 12:18 AM, Peter T. Daniels at gram...@att.net wrote:
>
> > Dan Seriff wrote:
> >>
> >> on 10/3/01 7:26 PM, Peter T. Daniels at gram...@att.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dan Seriff wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> We're lucky in Austin. We've got a small but excellent music store right
> >>>> near campus. If you don't have such a store locally call Petelson's
> >>>> (212-582-5840) or Frank's (212-582-1999) in New York.
> >>>
> >>> What and where is Frank's?
> >>
> >> It's a music store in New York. I don't know much about it (as far as stock
> >> and availability goes), since I've only ordered from them once before. As
> >> for where in the city they're located, I've got no clue. The last time I was
> >> in New York was in '94, and I wasn't seeking out music stores at the time.
> >
> > If that's a current phone number, then it must be very close to
> > Patelson's. (JUdson 2 was the exchange.)
>
> I figured they were at least in the same borough, with the same prefix and
> all. A phone book will certainly tell you more specifically than I can,
> though.
It so happens I had to dig out the Manhattan phone book for something
else this morning, so I was able to look it up; there's nothing among
all the Frank(')ses that could possibly be it.
(I suspect Patelson's doesn't appear under P, either, though I didn't
check.)
Ward Hardman
The most depressing examples I know of were perpetrated by the British,
with Elgar himself ruining the trio of his Pomp and Circumstance March
No. 1 by transforming its tune into the "patriotic" mush, "Land of Hope
and Glory." Another sad case is the fitting of words to the trio tune of
Holst's "Jupiter," from the "Planets," which I'm not sure was done with
Holst's connivance. This has always seemed to me like drawing grafitti on
a beautiful marble statue. :-(
Of course we Americans are not innocent of this kind of vandalism: one
Francis Scott Key ruined a perfectly good British drinking song with
the words starting "O say can you see... ." ;-)
--Ward Hardman
"The older I get, the more I admire and crave competence, just simple
competence, in any field from adultery to zoology."
- H.L. Mencken
Lani Spahr
news:9pku4q$1jb$4...@gondor.sdsu.edu...
> with Elgar himself ruining the trio of his Pomp and Circumstance March
> No. 1 by transforming its tune into the "patriotic" mush, "Land of Hope
> and Glory."
Well, the King DID want that, and when the King calls, well, you know. But
there is an even worse one! See below the words that were posthumously set
to Elgar's 4th P&C March. Yow!
Song of Liberty
(Words by A.P. Herbert)
VERSE
Fight for freedom, ev`ryone.
Build the ship and man the gun.
Do as you have never done
To set the peoples free.
We, the few, the happy free,
Will fly the flags of Liberty,
Blow the horns of Liberty! Liberty!
Till the world is free.
CHORUS
All men must be free.
March for Liberty with me.
Brutes and braggarts may
Have their little day,
We shall never bow the knee.
God is drawing his sword.
We are marching with the Lord.
Sing, then, brother, sing,
Giving ev`rything,
All you are and hope to be,
To set the peoples free.
VERSE
Wake and watch and work and win,
Fight and farm and sew and spin,
Fall the faithful people in
To set the peoples free.
But the day the battle`s won,
Never say the fight is done.
Make the world a better one! Betterone!
When the world is free.
CHORUS
All men must be free.
March for Liberty with me.
Brutes and braggarts may
Have their little day,
We shall never bow the knee.
God is drawing his sword.
We are marching with the Lord.
Sing, then, brother, sing,
Giving ev`rything,
All you are and hope to be,
To take the torch across the sea
And set the peoples,
Keep the peoples free.
--
Cheers,
Lani Spahr
Locked in the Vault Reissues
Lani_...@yahoo.com
Highlander
> The most depressing examples I know of were perpetrated by the British,
> with Elgar himself ruining the trio of his Pomp and Circumstance March
> No. 1 by transforming its tune into the "patriotic" mush, "Land of Hope
> and Glory." Another sad case is the fitting of words to the trio tune of
> Holst's "Jupiter," from the "Planets," which I'm not sure was done with
> Holst's connivance. This has always seemed to me like drawing grafitti on
> a beautiful marble statue. :-(
I believe that Holst hated with a passion the shotgun marriage of the
middle-section of Jupiter with Cecil Spring-Rice's intolerably jingoistic
lyrics. I cannot quote chapter and verse, or even just chapter, but I do
recall reading it somewhere and it makes sense. The piece is emasculated by
those awful words. Eugh!
Highlander
Dr.Matt
In fact, it wasn't just a drinking song but the house song of a
collegiate fraternity (The Anacreaonic Society), with all the beer
thereunto appertaining.
James Kahn
>In article <B7DF73D6.6D79%micro...@sericap.com>,
>>The only song drawn from the New World that I know of is a pseudo-spiritual
>>called "Goin' Home", which uses the english horn melody from the slow
>>movement. You can probably find the lyrics in any number of "Americana"
>>anthologies. Find your local sheet music store, and ask the owner, who is
>>the most likely to know where you can find it.
>I've always thought A.D. wrote the theme of the 2nd movement as a deliberate
>parody-variation of "Swing Low Sweet Chariot". Basically pentatonic tunes
>were already in his musical vocabulary, and at the time there was a fad
>for using pentatonic tunes to allude either to Afroamerican music or
>aboriginal American (American Indian) music.
I'd always been led to believe that "Goin' Home" came first, and that
A.D. based his 2nd movement on that tune. Ditto for the *1st* movement
and "Swing Low...". Another cherished myth shot down, or is everyone
just guessing here?
--
Jim
New York, NY
(Please remove "nospam." to get my e-mail address)
http://www.panix.com/~kahn
Paul Schoessow
There is also a song by Rick Wakeman called "It's a lovely life" based
on a theme in the 1st movement of the Dvorak 9. It appears in the
soundtrack of the
film "Crimes of Passion".
Ward Hardman
: "Ward Hardman" <har...@sciences.sdsu.edu> wrote in message
: news:9pku4q$1jb$4...@gondor.sdsu.edu...
:> with Elgar himself ruining the trio of his Pomp and Circumstance March
:> No. 1 by transforming its tune into the "patriotic" mush, "Land of Hope
:> and Glory."
: Well, the King DID want that, and when the King calls, well, you know. But
: there is an even worse one! See below the words that were posthumously set
: to Elgar's 4th P&C March. Yow!
: Song of Liberty
[snip]
: CHORUS
: All men must be free.
: March for Liberty with me.
: Brutes and braggarts may
: Have their little day,
: We shall never bow the knee.
[snip]
Well I've written some bad verse in my time, but I'd never use it to
disfigure a beautiful tune. There is a "Reverse Gresham's Law in Music"
to the effect that "bad words drive out good music." Wasn't there a
conductor (pre-Bernstein) of the NY Phil who used to give young people's
concerts and set doggerel to the themes of Beethoven, Schubert, and
other defenseless victims. (Damrosch?) Once you get the stupid words
associated with the music, you can never pry them away (like that
monster in "Alien" that snaps onto your face). Anybody who lived through
the '50s is unable to listen to the Borodin's lovely melodies without
the words of those jackels Wright and Forrest obtruding into their mind.
If you haven't heard/seen this musical (Kismet), don't!
To get back to Dvorak and "Goin' Home," it was a favorite tune of the
wife of the millionaire John Harkness who donated the 54-bell carillon
named after him to Yale University. (This can be heard on Dorati's
recording of Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" on Mercury.) One condition
of the bequest was that the oboe theme of the "New World" be played
every day at noon on the carillon. If I was within two miles of that
bell tower, every day for 5 years I heard that tune. :-(
--Ward Hardman
"The more refined and intellectual our needs become,
the less they are capable of satiety."
- W. S. Jevons "The Theory of Political Economy" (1871)
Oisk17
> Anybody who lived through
>the '50s is unable to listen to the Borodin's lovely melodies without
>the words of those jackels Wright and Forrest obtruding into their mind.
>If you haven't heard/seen this musical (Kismet), don't!
I respectfully disagree! Unlike "Song of Norway," or "Blossom Time", Kismet is
a great musical. The original cast recording, with Alfred Drake, Doretta
Morrow, Joan Diener and Richard Kiley is wonderful. While it is based on
Borodin's music, it does not use it note for note. The middle part of Stranger
in Paradise, for example, (the part that goes "I saw your face, and I
ascended...") is completely different from the music from Prince Igor.
And I can still listen to, and enjoy Borodin's melodies in their original form,
without the words ( quite clever lyrics at that) even occurring to me.
Paul
Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
Oisk17 wrote:
>
don't!
>
> I respectfully disagree! Unlike "Song of Norway," or "Blossom Time", Kismet is
> a great musical. The original cast recording, with Alfred Drake, Doretta
> Morrow, Joan Diener and Richard Kiley is wonderful. While it is based on
> Borodin's music, it does not use it note for note. The middle part of Stranger
> in Paradise, for example, (the part that goes "I saw your face, and I
> ascended...") is completely different from the music from Prince Igor.
>
> And I can still listen to, and enjoy Borodin's melodies in their original form,
> without the words ( quite clever lyrics at that) even occurring to me.
>
> Paul
I agree - I have to confess a sneaking affection for
"Kismet" (although I DO hear the lyrics whenever I hear any
of the Borodin "sources"). But then, I enjoy "Song of
Norway", also - despite its highly fictionalized version of
Grieg's life. All I know from "Blossomtime" is "Song of
Love" based on the "Unfinished" symphony. However, I have a
certain fondness for that, too - it was the first thing I
ever sang in public (at age ten or so, unaccompanied, for an
"amateur show" on a Mississippi River day-cruise boat).