More "Joyce Hatto" identifications
fromgoogle....@spamgourmet.com
followers round here):
Dear members,
Here's a list of Hatto recording which I could find its true identity.
I've
actually made comparison, played these discs together. Surprisingly,
it was
really easy to get these "answers" from just one casual listening. I'm
ABSOLUTELY convinced that these recordings are identical. They are
neither
speeded up (slowed down) nor had heavy make-up. In short, almost
straight
copy from original discs.
Hatto CACD 92742
Dukas Complete piano music
is taken from;
SIMAX PSC1177
Pianist: Tor Espen Aspaas
(The Hatto disc contains one more piece-- "Pour le tombeau de Paul
Dukas" by
Falla. I have not identified its origin yet)
Hatto CACD 91692
An Anthology of Recital Encores Vo. 2
Tr.08: Rubinstein Scherzo Op.75-12
is taken from;
Marco Polo 8-223176
Pianist: Josef Banowetz
(This Rubinstein piece was recorded only once in CD era)
Hatto CACD 91112
Liszt Operatic Transcriptions The Italian Opera Vol.2
Tr.1: Hexameron (B)
Tr.3: Reminiscences des Puritans (B)
Tr.4: Reminiscences de Lucia de Lammermoor (B)
Hatto CACD 91122
Liszt Operatic Transcriptions The Italian Opera Vol.3
Tr.1: Pacini "Niobe" fantasy (A)
Tr.2: Donizetti Valse (A)
Tr.3: Bellini Introduction et Polonaise (A)
Tr.4: Sonnambula (B)
Tr.5: Lucia (A)
These tracks are came from two CDs.
(A) Hungaroton HCD 31547
(B) Hungaroton HCD 31299
Pianist: Endre Hegedus
Hatto CACD 9217-2
Rachmaninov
Tr.4-9: Six moments musicaux Op.16
Hatto CACD 9179-2
Rachmaninov The Transcriptions
Tr.1-14. Complete transcriptions
These tracks are taken from;
Harmonia Mundi (Saison Russe) RUS 288 122
Pianist: Alexander Guindin
David Hurwitz has already mentioned in his articl on classicstoday.com
that;
Hatto CACD 20042 Ravel Complete piano music
is taken from; ACCORD 476 0941, Pianist: Roger Muraro
Hatto CACD 20032 MESSIAEN Vingt Regards
is taken from; Centaur CRC 2627/2628, Pianist: Paul Kim
For further investigation;
Hatto CACD 9168-2
An Anthology of Recital Encores Vo. 1
I think most of the pieces included on this album were recorded by
Naxos.
In early 1990's, Naxos has released 10 discs of "Romantic piano
favorites",
mostly played by Balázs Szokolay & Péter Nagy.
I don't have these Naxos discs at this moment, but I can well remember
that
the quality of the performances are generally very good, GOOD as
Hatto's!!.
Maybe Concert Artist has assembled this disc from various Naxos CDs.
Hatto CACD 91352
Liszt "Harmonies poetiques "
I've checked Ciccolini(the 1st recording) and Nikonovitch (Japanese
DENON
release), but they didn't match.
I don't have Muraro disc (Accord 476 1887) at this moment, but it is
most
likely, since very few pianist have squeezed this cycle on single CD.
Norihiko Nagata
JAPAN
Matthew B. Tepper
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> Hatto CACD 92742
> Dukas Complete piano music
> is taken from;
> SIMAX PSC1177
> Pianist: Tor Espen Aspaas
> (The Hatto disc contains one more piece-- "Pour le tombeau de Paul Dukas"
> by Falla. I have not identified its origin yet)
Son of a gun; I have (and like) that disc. I would have thought it ruled out
by the timings, but there must have been some real stretching going on. The
"Rameau" Variations in particular is one fine piece.
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Chris
> Just posted on Pianophiles (but of obvious interest to "Joyce Hatto"
> followers round here):
>
> Dear members,
> Here's a list of Hatto recording which I could find its true identity.
> I've
> actually made comparison, played these discs together. Surprisingly,
> it was
> really easy to get these "answers" from just one casual listening. I'm
> ABSOLUTELY convinced that these recordings are identical. They are
> neither
> speeded up (slowed down) nor had heavy make-up. In short, almost
> straight
> copy from original discs.
Another one for you: The Brahms 1st Concerto is Gutierrez/Previn on
Teldec.
Steve de Mena
> fromgoogle....@spamgourmet.com appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:1171944067.030355.86630
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>
>> Hatto CACD 92742
>> Dukas Complete piano music
>> is taken from;
>> SIMAX PSC1177
>> Pianist: Tor Espen Aspaas
>> (The Hatto disc contains one more piece-- "Pour le tombeau de Paul Dukas"
>> by Falla. I have not identified its origin yet)
>
> Son of a gun; I have (and like) that disc. I would have thought it ruled out
> by the timings, but there must have been some real stretching going on.
The OP said they were identical to the originals,
no time stretching.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Amazing.
I have this gut feeling that not a single track on
any of the Concert Artist CDs are played by Hatto.
Steve
fromgoogle....@spamgourmet.com
samples of the Guindin (http://preview.tinyurl.com/2g4z2u). The
Midsummer Night's Dream transcription (posted from the "Joyce Hatto"
CD by Wayne Reimer at
http://download.yousendit.com/769359311EE36D36 ) is track 12 on this
disc.
Matthew B. Tepper
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Even the Bax Symphonic Variations?
Matthew B. Tepper
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Puzzling!
Steve de Mena
> Steve de Mena <ste...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
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>> Chris wrote:
>>> On Feb 19, 10:01 pm, fromgoogle.1.ludwig...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
>>>> Just posted on Pianophiles (but of obvious interest to "Joyce Hatto"
>>>> followers round here):
>>>>
>>>> Dear members,
>>>> Here's a list of Hatto recording which I could find its true identity.
>>>> I've actually made comparison, played these discs together.
>>>> Surprisingly, it was really easy to get these "answers" from just one
>>>> casual listening. I'm ABSOLUTELY convinced that these recordings are
>>>> identical. They are neither speeded up (slowed down) nor had heavy
>>>> make-up. In short, almost straight copy from original discs.
>>> Another one for you: The Brahms 1st Concerto is Gutierrez/Previn on
>>> Teldec.
>> Amazing.
>>
>> I have this gut feeling that not a single track on any of the Concert
>> Artist CDs are played by Hatto.
>
> Even the Bax Symphonic Variations?
>
Was that a re-release of her earlier recording?
OK, that is probably authentic.
Steve
Andrej Kluge
Kirk McElhearn
> Son of a gun; I have (and like) that disc. I would have thought it
> ruled out by the timings, but there must have been some real stretching
> going on. The "Rameau" Variations in particular is one fine piece.
Timings don't tell you much, because you can add lots of silence before
and after tracks to make the tracks seem longer (at least in the eyes
of your CD player). You could easily add 10-15 seconds of silence to
any track. Also, if the speeds are changed, then it's even less
relevant.
Kirk
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Henk van Tuijl
"Wayne Reimer" <wrdslremovethis濃pacbell.net> schreef in bericht
news:MPG.20445031b...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>> In article <53vnvbF...@mid.individual.net>, kl...@wizzy.de
>> says...
> and so I don't know if any of the other tracks match, and it would be
> stupid to update without knowing that.
>
> If anyone out there actually has the Guindin CD, it'd be great if you
> could provide whatever details are available about the circumstances
> of
> the recording, like when and where. I know Russian Season released it
> around 1995, but that doesn't say much about the recording itself.
> It's too bad that Googling doesn't reveal anything at all about the
> pianist other than a few recordings he's been on. I'm not now and
> never was crazy about the performance, unlike Mr. Gavin, but it'd be
> fun to know more about the guy. Talk about obscure...he's about to
> get
> his 15 minutes, although shared with many others.
>
> wr
Ghindin was supposed to win the Queen Elisabeth Competition in Brussels
in 1999 but lost to a Samoshko (who happened to play a faultless
Rachmaninov #3 - on the last night [!]).
He is just another very competent Russian pianist. The most interesting
pianist that year was not Sverdlov (as some believed) but Shai Wosner
(who dared to play a Mozart concerto in the finals).
Since Brussels Ghindin has made a few CDs, mainly with Russian
repertoire and toured, also mostly with Russian repertoire.
Henk
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
> "Wayne Reimer" <wrdslremovethis¿@pacbell.net> schreef in berichtnews:MPG.20445031b...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>
>
>
> >> In article <53vnvbF1thkb...@mid.individual.net>, k...@wizzy.de
> >> says...
> >> Hi,
>
> >> fromgoogle.1.ludwig...@spamgourmet.com schrieb:
>
> >> > Further on the Rachmaninov transcription question, alapage.com has
> >> > samples of the Guindin (http://preview.tinyurl.com/2g4z2u). The
> >> > Midsummer Night's Dream transcription (posted from the "Joyce
> >> > Hatto"
> >> > CD by Wayne Reimer at
Hattos off to Norihiko Nagata and others for starting the ball
rolling!
JG
Nigel Curtis
> Another one for you: The Brahms 1st Concerto is
> Gutierrez/Previn on Teldec.
Do the Hatto disks give the orchestra she is supposed to have recorded
this with..? Surely faking concertos was more high-risk.?
Thanks for all this detective work. Nigel
Simon Smith
> "Wayne Reimer" <wrdslremovethis濃pacbell.net> schreef in bericht
> news:MPG.20445031b...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>> If anyone out there actually has the Guindin CD, it'd be great if you
>> could provide whatever details are available about the circumstances
>> of
>> the recording, like when and where. I know Russian Season released it
>> around 1995, but that doesn't say much about the recording itself.
>> It's too bad that Googling doesn't reveal anything at all about the
>> pianist other than a few recordings he's been on. I'm not now and
>> never was crazy about the performance, unlike Mr. Gavin, but it'd be
>> fun to know more about the guy. Talk about obscure...he's about to
>> get
>> his 15 minutes, although shared with many others.
> Ghindin was supposed to win the Queen Elisabeth Competition in Brussels
> in 1999 but lost to a Samoshko (who happened to play a faultless
> Rachmaninov #3 - on the last night [!]).
>
> He is just another very competent Russian pianist. The most interesting
> pianist that year was not Sverdlov (as some believed) but Shai Wosner
> (who dared to play a Mozart concerto in the finals).
>
> Since Brussels Ghindin has made a few CDs, mainly with Russian
> repertoire and toured, also mostly with Russian repertoire.
He recorded the original versions of the Rach 1 and 4 with Ashkenazy a
few years ago (Ondine); indispensible for being the only (?) recording
of these, at least of the latter (do correct me if I'm wrong), but
otherwise the impression I got was of 'another very competent Russian
pianist'. But perhaps these fine Hatto performances of the
transcriptions will be worth a listen after all! :)
Simon
Paul Ilechko
> On 2007-02-20 05:19:03 +0100, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyž@earthlink.net> said:
>
>> Son of a gun; I have (and like) that disc. I would have thought it
>> ruled out by the timings, but there must have been some real
>> stretching going on. The "Rameau" Variations in particular is one
>> fine piece.
>
> Timings don't tell you much, because you can add lots of silence before
> and after tracks to make the tracks seem longer (at least in the eyes of
> your CD player). You could easily add 10-15 seconds of silence to any
> track. Also, if the speeds are changed, then it's even less relevant.
You can also print incorrect timings on the CD cover and most people
probably won't check that closely ...
JohnGavin
> "Wayne Reimer" <wrdslremovethis¿@pacbell.net> schreef in berichtnews:MPG.20445031b...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> >> In article <53vnvbF1thkb...@mid.individual.net>, k...@wizzy.de
> >> says...
> >> Hi,
>
>
> >> > Further on the Rachmaninov transcription question, alapage.com has
> >> > samples of the Guindin (http://preview.tinyurl.com/2g4z2u). The
> >> > Midsummer Night's Dream transcription (posted from the "Joyce
> >> > Hatto"
> >> > CD by Wayne Reimer at
>
> - Show quoted text -
I was very happy to find the Guindin CD with the Transcriptions and
the 6 Moments Musicaux avilable through MDT. I ordered the Hatto as
well, because my copy was a homemade CDR. I will make the timing
comparisons known here - as I said I strongly suspect the Hatto
version was slowed down.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> Ghindin was supposed to win the Queen Elisabeth Competition in Brussels
> in 1999 but lost to a Samoshko (who happened to play a faultless
> Rachmaninov #3 - on the last night [!]).
>
> He is just another very competent Russian pianist. The most interesting
> pianist that year was not Sverdlov (as some believed) but Shai Wosner
> (who dared to play a Mozart concerto in the finals).
>
> Since Brussels Ghindin has made a few CDs, mainly with Russian
> repertoire and toured, also mostly with Russian repertoire.
Is he the same as the Alexander Ghindin who recorded the first versions of
Rachmaninoff's PCs ## 1 and 4 with Ashkenazy/Helsinki Phil. for Ondine?
JohnGavin
>
> - Show quoted text -
Seeing the CD cover, I remember seeing it many times on the shelves at
Tower Records - I passed it up over and over again.
Gerard
> "Henk van Tuijl" <hvt...@xs4all.nl> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in
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>
> > Ghindin was supposed to win the Queen Elisabeth Competition in
> > Brussels in 1999 but lost to a Samoshko (who happened to play a
> > faultless Rachmaninov #3 - on the last night [!]).
> >
> > He is just another very competent Russian pianist. The most
> > interesting pianist that year was not Sverdlov (as some believed)
> > but Shai Wosner (who dared to play a Mozart concerto in the finals).
> >
> > Since Brussels Ghindin has made a few CDs, mainly with Russian
> > repertoire and toured, also mostly with Russian repertoire.
>
> Is he the same as the Alexander Ghindin who recorded the first
> versions of Rachmaninoff's PCs ## 1 and 4 with Ashkenazy/Helsinki
> Phil. for Ondine?
See post by Simon Smith.
Steve de Mena
Usually the National Philharmonic-Symphony
Orchestra, conducted by René Köhler, neither of
whom seem to exst.
Steve
Tony Overington
has also discovered that Deacon's beloved Beethoven-Liszt Pastoral is
actually by Konstantin Scherbakov
fromgoogle....@spamgourmet.com
>From Mr Nagata's message to Pianophiles:
Hatto CACD 92742
Tr.21: "Pour le tombeau de Paul Dukas" by Falla
is taken from;
BIS CD 773
Pianist: Miguel Baselga
(the "Hatto" is slightly slowed-down version of BIS recording)
Hatto CACD 91342 Beethoven-Liszt Symphonies Vol.1
Tr.1-5: Symphony No. 6 'Pastoral'
is taken from;
Naxos 8.557170 Liszt Complete Piano Music Vol.19
Pianist: Konstantin Scherbakov
(The speed of each track is slightly changed . But the 2nd movement
goes at
almost same speed. Just compare the opening of this movement. They'll
perfectly match)
My friend has made side-by-side comparison of Hatto/Kim Messiaen
"Vingt
Regards".
The "Hatto" proved to be 2.435% digitally stretched copy of Paul
Kim's
recording.
He also told me that some "wrong-note-hitting" in entire performance
have
also perfectly matched!!
Norihiko Nagata
JAPAN
Matthew B. Tepper
> On Feb 21, 3:53 am, "Tony Overington" <sido...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Apparently the same Japanese man who made the above list of recordings
>> has also discovered that Deacon's beloved Beethoven-Liszt Pastoral is
>> actually by Konstantin Scherbakov
>
>>From Mr Nagata's message to Pianophiles:
[snip]
A tip of the Hatto to Mr. Nagata-san. I'm pleased to see that somebody is
carefully adding these to the Wikipedia page as reference. I hope that there
is also somebody archiving that page on a regular basis, in case pranksters
try to change it.
fromgoogle....@spamgourmet.com
from Farhan Malik on Pianophiles:
"A friend has confirmed that some of the Rachmaninoff Preludes are
taken
from John Browning's Delos CD. So far three have matched:
Op. 23 No. 4 in D Major
Op. 32 No. 5 in G Major
Op. 32 No. 12 in G sharp minor.
That leaves 21 Preludes still to identify and if they've picked two or
three from here and there this could be quite difficult. The Browning
CD
only has six preludes on it so they are not just taking from complete
recordings."
Has anyone been able to check the Musorgsky Pictures against Lilya
Zilberstein's as suggested on this group?
JohnGavin
The 2 Hatto items I'm most curious about:
Liszt - Mephisto Waltz
Brahms - Paganini Variations - (quite an excellent recording)