It occured to me this evening when i read DK "dissing" Gulda....that i
am only aware of a few pianists that DK
"likes"......Richter.......well, perhaps only one.
If anyone knows which pianists are "acceptable" to DK, or if Dan would
care to address us in person with a list of 10-15 pianists who he
actually likes/admires/worships like a cat (with reasons why they are
preferable to arrau, backhaus, annie fischer et al!) it would make for
an interesting discussion i think, and certainly preferable to an
interminable thread about racism, facism, anti-semitism, semitism,
religion, and all the other other non-musical topics that seem to
prosper to the detriment of, dare i say it, genuine musical discussion.
let me start off with some possibles, and see if they get scrathed from
the list:
1) richter
2) yudina
3) sanchez
4) feinberg
5) cziffra
6) gilels
7) ciani
8) katchen
9) cortot
10) nikolayeva
> It occured to me this evening when i read DK "dissing" Gulda....that i
> am only aware of a few pianists that DK
> "likes"......Richter.......well, perhaps only one.
> let me start off with some possibles, and see if they get scrathed from
> the list:
[with my comments]
> 1) richter - yes
> 2) yudina - very partially
> 3) sanchez - yes
> 4) feinberg - yes
> 5) cziffra - yes
> 6) gilels - so - so
> 7) ciani ???
> 8) katchen -don't know
> 9) cortot - like Edwin Fischer, somewhat, but with a lot of reservations and cheap shots
I am surprised to see you have not added to the likables Michelangeli,
Conrad Hansen, Sokolov, Zhukov, Rosenthal, Rubakyte, Maryla Jonas,
Sofronitsky, Pletnev, Cole, and at least a dozen of others I cannot
think of in less than 20 seconds - which listing the above has taken
me.
regards,
SG
Why, in god's name, do you care?
J
Well, naturally John i don't "really" care....did i give that
impression?
Or perhaps you are just querying why DK in particular? in which case i
find his extreme polarisation of preferences bizarre; pianists are
invariably either "dire" and effectively a sham....or they are world
beaters. very little if any middle ground. my personal preferences
aside, there are many pianists who i just dont get, or dont feel any
affinity for, for whom others love (kempff, serkin, curzon, brendel,
schiff etc etc), but i dont go around slagging them off just because i
dont, or cant, get them!
Like i said before, this is a "musical" discussion group, and i get fed
up of "political" threads dominating. If all of these group members get
so worked up about their political/religious/moral convictions, why
dont they talk about it some place else, or more precisely, some other
group? I have no intention in engaging in such pointless slanging
matches with people i dont know.
vive la musique classique! ;)
AG
Dan's dislikes, while occasionally on the mark (meaning only that I
sometimes agree) are too off the wall to be reliable, but his
recommendations for pianists we may not have heard are generally worth
pursuing. I'd never heard of half the pianists on his Gold Star list.
BTW, add Ernst Levy plus a host of French pianists who rarely get
mentioned here to the list.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
AB
No more than pianists discovered at random would be.
J
>how can you take dk seriously ( or any one else) who sincerely thinks
>that Sanchez was a great pianist......at best, pure nonsense
>
>AB
I haven't tried Sanchez, but when I had a chance to pick up Nadia
Cole's Ravel, Bartok, Liszt disc for $3 recently, I did and am much
happier as a result. All because of Dan.
Don't you know Ciani's recording of the Chopin etudes? Unsurpassed, IMO.
Benjo Maso
Do you think so? I find them rather pedestrian frankly. Unlike his
Nocturnes, which are as good as it gets IMO.
While from your personal standpoint it is nice to have picked up Ms.
Cole's disc for the paltry sum of three bucks, t would have been much
better for the career of Ms. Cole and indeed for the likelihood that
you would ever discover more CDs of this fine Canadian pianist if you
had purchased the disc when it first appeared at Top Price, before
Decca/DG (her first CD appeared originally on the DG label in Canada,
causing utter consternation in the President of DG, who thought his
company deserved better pianists, like Lang Lang!!!) had decided to
jetison her for "poor sales".
TD
While from your personal standpoint it is nice to have picked up Ms.
Cole's disc for the paltry sum of three bucks, it would have been much
Not *every* pianist under the Sun.
> and I've really lost count of the bangers, crashers, and arthritic
> geriatrics whose art, according to our beloved DK, is a sordid or
> aborted attempt at "music".
If you had taken the time to understand why I like or dislike a
pianist, you might have learned something. Instead, you prefer
to recite the old slogans and stick to the pre-conceived notions
that were washed into your brain by teachers, reviewers, etc..
> It occured to me this evening when i read DK "dissing" Gulda....
I've heard Gulda enough times to have developed a legitimate
opinion. The briefest characterization one can make of him is
that he was the German equivalent of Gould.
> that i am only aware of a few pianists that DK "likes"......
> Richter.......well, perhaps only one.
>
> If anyone knows which pianists are "acceptable" to DK, or if
Geez! Such indirection is downright flattering -- not to mention
a direct invitation to misrepresentation and misunderstanding.
> Dan would care to address us in person with a list of 10-15
You could have asked more directly. I am beginning to wonder:
are you British?
> pianists who he actually likes/admires/worships like a cat
You are oversimplifying things.
First, I do not admire or worship anyone or anything (cats of
course are something else).
Second, I judge individual performances, not pianists. When I
say I like a pianists, that is really only a shorthand that
summarizes a statistical evaluation.
> (with reasons why they are preferable to arrau, backhaus,
> annie fischer et al!) it would make for an interesting
> discussion i think,
I have stated my reasons for liking or disliking various
pianists many times. You just didn't bother the read rmcr
archives, and/or the reasons I gave did not resonate with
you.
> and certainly preferable to an interminable thread about
> racism, facism, anti-semitism, semitism, religion, and
> all the other other non-musical topics that seem to
> prosper to the detriment of, dare i say it, genuine
> musical discussion.
I certainly did not start this trend on rmcr. However, I
did promise that as long as *anyone* who posts here will
engage in politically inspired or tainted discussion, I
will slap them back with all the force I can muster.
Capisce?
> let me start off with some possibles, and see if they
> get scrathed from the list:
Don't even bother.
Here's a brief summary in no particular order (I hope you
don't expect me to remember everything, do you?):
1) Dislikes:
Anda, Arrau, Bachauer, Backhaus, Barenboim, Berezovsky, Brendull,
Ciani, Curzon, Entremont, Fischer, Fischer, Fleischer, Gavrilov,
Gieseking, Goode, Gould, Gulda, Haskil, Haebler, Hess, Istomin,
Kapell, Kempf, Kempff, Kersenbaum, Kissin, Kraus, Lipatti, List,
Ney, Nikolayeva, Ohlsson, Pennario, Perahia, Peterson, Pollini,
Pressler, Schiff, Serkin, Serkin, Shermann, Shure, Solomon,
Uchida, Yudina, etc...
2) Likes:
Afanassiev, Argerich, Barere, Barto, Bashkirov, Bayless,
Beroff, Berman, Brubeck, Chen, Clidat, Cole, Cziffra, Datyner,
Davidovich, Devetzi, Elias, Evans, Eschenbach, Feinberg, Feltsman,
Fiorentino, Flier, Francois, Garner, Gelber, Gilels, Gothoni, Hansen,
Horowitz, Janis, Jonas, Katchen, Kern, Kocsis, Kuleshov, Kuzmin,
Leonskaja, Leschenko, Levant, Levy, Lewenthal, Lhevinne, Lisitsa,
Loussier, Malcuzynski, Matsuzawa, Michelangeli, Monk, Mustonen, Nat,
Ousset, Pachmann, Pletnev, Powell, Raekkalio, Ranki, Richter, Rosenthal,
Rubackyte, Rubalcaba, Samuel, Sanchez, Schmidt, Schnabel, Sirota,
Sokolov, Sofronitsky, Tabe, Tatum, Van Cliburn, Virsaladze, Volodos,
Watts, Wild, Yoshikawa, Young, Zak, Zhukov, etc...
Understand that neither list should be taken as complete, and
that the fact I like a pianist *statistically* does not imply
I like every single performance by him/her. Conversely, the
fact that I dislike a pianist *statistically* does not mean
I dislike every single one of his/her performances.
Are you happy now?
dk
Reading what you wrote above one cannot but wonder about your IQ.
Let's try to explain this with a simple example. Let's say you go
out to dinner and you don't like the food. Do you split hairs and
try to analyze which part of it you did not like, which was OK,
which was not, and why? Or do you just conclude you didn't like
the food? Methinks it is more likely the latter, not the former.
> Like i said before, this is a "musical" discussion group,
Of course, but not limited to any one person's notion of
what makes a discussion.
Capisce?
> and i get fed up of "political" threads dominating.
Then go find yourself another sandbox.
> If all of these group members get so worked up about their
> political/religious/moral convictions, why dont they talk
> about it some place else, or more precisely, some other
> group? I have no intention in engaging in such pointless
> slanging matches with people i dont know.
Maybe you should think about newsgroups as the internet
equivalent of street gang fighting grounds... ;-)
dk
You gotta be kidding.
Lots of enthusiasm but very crude.
dk
Where's Pogorelich, the genius ? and Zimerman ?
Oops!
Arguably one of the loudest sets of
Nocturnes ever recorded. Ciani plays
them as if he were teying to sing
Neapolitan canzonete.
dk
Isn't this largely because the
record labels have decided to
give equal exposure to male
fashion models?
dk
Oops! Forgot Ginzburg in the 'likes'.
dk
"Dan Koren" <dank...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps you have the luxury edition of the recording. Mine, on Agora,
sounds bootlegged from the audience, and the best part about it *is*
the singing -- intense and varied with great care over the sound, the
ppp really carries emotion.
Your posting history leaves little doubt about yours.
> Let's try to explain this with a simple example. Let's say you go
> out to dinner and you don't like the food. Do you split hairs and
> try to analyze which part of it you did not like, which was OK,
> which was not, and why? Or do you just conclude you didn't like
> the food? Methinks it is more likely the latter, not the former.
No, I go online and make lists of all the great meals I've had. If
anyone says something favorable about a meal I dislike, I tell them to
get new tastebuds, and then have the gall to claim I never suggested my
opinions were "normative". If I eat a meal that I like better than a
meal I had before, I say the meal I had before tasted like shit, even
if I liked it at the time; then I pretend I can't imagine why anyone
would like that meal I once liked, and I say silly things like the chef
couldn't cook scrambled eggs if someone held a gun to his head. I go
home and sample bits of meals comparing them to each other, one taste
at a time, because that's the way everybody eats, right? I never say
anything specific about what I like or don't like about a meal. I just
say some meals are like eating shit and others are ambrosia. I claim
to reserve the right to say a meal I once thought ambrosia is shit
cooked by a cretin and vice versa I never bretray the slightist
impression that I actually enjoy eating, especially since I seem to
find most food inedible. Between fatuous pronouncements about food, I
recommend the total annihilation of foreign countries and brag about my
luxury cars.
J
100%, grade-double A bullshit.
J
Mr. Koren,
Could you give examples of recordings you like by pianists on your
Dislike list, and briefly explain why they are the exception? I recall
you praising R. Serkin's Mendelssohn concertos and Brendel in Schubert's
duo piano music.
> >> 7) ciani ???
>
>
> Don't you know Ciani's recording of the Chopin etudes? Unsurpassed, IMO.
I know Ciani. What I meant with ??? is that I don't know what gave
Andrew the idea that DK would like his playing.
regards,
SG
.....and I'm afraid you were right :-(
Benjo Maso
I like his Nocturnes too, in fact, I like almost all of his recordings
(although I prefer his life recording of Debussy to his studio recording).
Benjo Maso
bl
I'm afraid the luxury edition (released by DGG) sounds bootlegged as well
and rather ugly (fault of the recording, not Dino Ciani's).
Benjo Maso
I like his Nocturnes too, but I'm, rather suprised you find his Etudes
pedestrian, which is about the last word coming in my mind.
Benjo Maso
Bob Harper
That by itself is an automatic
disqualification to my ears.
dk
PS. Still waiting for your
Chopin Ballade no. 1 to end
all others...
ROTFL !!!
BTW, I do not have suck silly notions as
"an ideal pianist".
dk
The first intelligent article you posted to r.m.c.r.
dk
Neither list was supposed to be exhaustive.
Otherwise, I dislike Zimmerman.
Pogo is a little more complicated. I liked
some of his earlier performances, however
the later stuff leaves me cold.
dk
"The Historian" <Spam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Would you terribly mind if I first run to
Borders to cash my coupons before it closes
in another hour?
dk
"Bob Harper" <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Dan Koren wrote:
>> Oops! Forgot Ginzburg in the 'likes'.
>
> What about Schepkin? Heard him today, and was pretty impressed.
>
Not my cup of tea.
dk
Nope.
I remember having dinner in London with some great people at one of London's
finest restaurants. I had a dish that sounded absolutely fabulous on the
menu, but I simply could not get myself to like it and was mightily
disappointed. There was some kind of spice in it that I simply did not like,
in fact, I found it revolting to my taste. I have tasted this particular
spice before and had the same sensation, so this time I simply wanted to
know what it was in order to avoid it in the future.
It took me a couple of weeks to find out what it was. It turned out to be
fresh cilantro/coriander and up to this day I cannot stand the taste of it
and the associated aftertaste. I simply steer clear of it these days, (which
is rather difficult in Thai restaurants).
However, the 1983 Beychevelle was simply gorgeous, just as the company was
gorgeous.
Thanks again, Dan.
Peter Lemken
Berlin
--
Paul Lincke ist dem Zille sein Milhaud.
(Harry Rowohlt)
Why yes indeed.....most kind.
AG
Dag Achatz
Valery Afanassiev
Mark Anderson
Martha Argerich
Simon Barere
Dmitri Bashkirov
Anton Bataglov
Lazar Berman
Michel Beroff
Jorge Bolet
Paolo Bordoni
Yuri Boukov
Michele Campanella
Shura Cherkassky
Dino Ciani
Aldo Ciccolini
Van Cliburn
France Clidat
Arnaldo Cohen
Jean-Philippe Collard
Alfred Cortot
Gyorgy Cziffra
Harry Datimer
Bella Davidovich
Ivan Davis
Nikolai Demidenko
Vasso Devetzi
Marta Deyanova
Mischa Dichter
Francois-Rene Duchable
Yuri Egorov
Jan Ekier
Brigitte Engerer
Christoph Eschenbach
Samuil Feinberg
Vladimir Feltsman
Sergio Fiorentino
Rudolf Firkusny
Edwin Fischer
Yakov Flier
Samson Francois
Nelson Freire
Ignaz Friedman
Andrei Gavrilov
Bruno-Leonardo Gelber
Emil Gilels
Grigori Ginzburg
Ralf Gothoni
Gary Graffman
Helene Grimaud
Maria Grinberg
Friedrich Gulda
Conrad Hansen
Angela Hewitt
Vladimir Horowitz
Myeczislaw Horszowski
Konstantin Igumnov
Jose Iturbi
Byron Janis
Martin Jones
Julius Katchen
Rudolf Kerer
Evgeni Kissin
Zoltan Kocsis
Evgeni Korolev
Alexander Korsantia
Valery Kuleshov
Leonid Kuzmin
Alicia de Larrocha
Elizabeth Leonskaja
Mischa Levitsky
John Lewis
Joseph Lhevinne
Konstantin Lifschitz
Arthur Loesser
Jerome Loewenthal
Alexander Lonquich
Louis Lortie
Jacques Loussier
Nikolai Lugansky
Radu Lupu
Nikita Magaloff
Oleg Maisenberg
Witold Malcuzinski
Alexander Melnikov
Victor Merzhanov
Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
Ivan Moravec
Olli Mustonen
Yukie Nagai
Yves Nat
Emil Naumov
Heinrich Neuhaus
Minoru Nojima
Lev Oborin
John Ogdon
Cristina Ortiz
Cecile Ousset
Vladimir Ovchninnikov
Teodor Paraskivesko
Vlado Perlemuter
Sergio Perticaroli
Nikolai Petrov
Artur Pizzaro
Mikhail Pletnev
Ivo Pogorelich
Maurizio Pollini
Roland Pontinen
Ilona Prunyi
Alexandre Rabinovich
Matti Raekkalio
Deszo Ranki
Sviatoslav Richter
Robert Riefling
Bernard Ringeissen
Santiago Rodriguez
Pascal Roge
Charles Rosen
Moritz Rosenthal
Muza Rubackyte
Arthur Rubinstein
Mikhail Rudy
Harold Samuel
Artur Schnabel
Vladimir Sofronitsky
Grigori Sokolov
Gonzalo Soriano
Roberto Szidon
Gabriel Tacchino
Klaudius Tanski
Anatol Ugorsky
Vladimir Viardo
Elisso Virsaladze
Andre Watts
Alexis Weissenberg
Earl Wild
Roger Woodward
Maria Yudina
Yakov Zak
Juana Zayas
Igor Zhukov
dropped from the list:
Dmitri Alexeev
Geza Anda
Igor Ardasev
Claudio Arrau
Vladimir Ashkenazy
Stefan Askenase
Edward Auer
Emanuel Ax
Gina Bachauer
Wilhelm Backhaus
Paul Badura-Skoda
Daniel Barenboim
Tzimon Barto
Harold Bauer
Idil Biret
Stephen Bishop Kovacevich
Michel Block
Alexander Brailowsky
Alfred Brendel
John Browning
Frederic Chiu
Clifford Curzon
Jorg Demus
Philippe Entremont
Morton Estrin
Annie Fischer
Leon Fleisher
Andor Foldes
Malcolm Frager
Claude Frank
Walter Gieseking
Richard Goode
Glenn Gould
Percy Grainger
Steve de Groote
Ingrid Haebler
Adam Harasiewicz
Clara Haskil
Walter Hautzig
Eric Heidsieck
Myra Hess
Ian Hobson
Lorin Hollander
Leslie Howard
Bruce Hungerford
Eugene Istomin
Jeno Jando
Terence Judd
Kyoko Kabe
Cyprien Katsaris
Constance Keene
Wilhelm Kempff
Anatole Kitain
Lili Kraus
Wanda Landowska
Ruth Laredo
Noel Lee
Cecile Licad
John Lill
Seymour Lipkin
Eugene List
Marguerite Long
Moura Lympany
Joao Carlos Martins
Artur Moreira Lima
Stanislav Neuhaus
Elly Ney
Tatiana Nikolaieva
Guiomar Novaes
Garrick Ohlsson
Gerhard Oppitz
sisters Pekinel
Leonard Pennario
Murray Perahia
Egon Petri
Maria-Joao Pires
Jean-Bernard Pommier
Michael Ponti
Lev Pouishnov
Menahem Pressler
Rosita Renard
Jerome Rose
Carol Rosenberger
Girogy Sandor
Vasili Sapelnikov
Emil von Sauer
Andras Schiff
Karl-Ulrich Schnabel
Andre-Michel Schub
Peter Serkin
Setrak
Dmitri Sgouros
Russell Sherman
Leonard Shure
Abbey Simon
Ronald Smith
Solomon
Alexei Sultanov
Martino Tirimo
Fou Ts'ong
Rosalyn Tureck
Mitsuko Uchida
Imre Ungar
Beveridge Webster
Friedrich Wuehrer
Christian Zacharias
Carlo Zecchi
Dieter Zechlin
Krystian Zimmermann
I saved this not for the likes or dislikes, but for a reminder to me
that there are plenty pianists I haven't heard yet. :-)
You're thinking too much about food.
dk
"Wiener Sänger" <really...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Any opinions on Artur Rubinstein ?
>
Artur Rubinstein is above my opinion.
dk
> Artur Rubinstein is above my opinion.
>
>
>
> dk
He's always been my absolute favourite pianist. There is something
transcendental about his playing, on record. I consider it a loss that
I was born too late to have ever had the privilege of hearing him live,
and have always marvelled at his technique (though deteriorating) so
late in life.
I'm interested to know which recordings you like by this charlatan. His
Chopin Mazurkas are certainly the worst I've ever heard, and his last 3
Beethoven sonatas--live in Tokyo--are as flat as a pancake.
"Wiener Sänger" <really...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dan Koren wrote:
>
>> Artur Rubinstein is above my opinion.
>
> He's always been my absolute favourite pianist. There is something
> transcendental about his playing, on record. I consider it a loss that
> I was born too late to have ever had the privilege of hearing him live,
> and have always marvelled at his technique (though deteriorating) so
> late in life.
>
I heard Rubinstein live a few times.
Trust me, technique (as impressive
as it was) was really the smallest
ingredient of his musical persona.
The first time I heard him was in
1964, when he was 78, in a recital
that lasted over 3 hours and was
chock full with big works. His
stamina was beyond imagination.
There were a coupld of famous
pianists sitting not too far
from me, and I could see their
faces go white in disbelief....
dk
Thanks for keeping this around.
May I point out however that "auto-hear/buy" equates to
"interesting", or "still in evaluation". It absolutely
does not equates with like or dislike.
Also, the list has shrunk quite a bit, partly because
of lack of time to listen, partly because the birth
rate of great pianists has not been that high lately,
and partly because my buying power has diminished as
a result of the many speeding tickets.... 8-((
Note that a number of artists have dropped from the
list. These include: Anderson, Cortot, Duchable,
Grimaud, Fischer, Gavrilov, Hewitt, Lortie,
Magaloff, Zayas, and many many others.
dk
"Nick Sun" <xiao...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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Been caught a tad over 55mph then? Jeezuz, a real speedster. All of Europe
will be impressed.
> Note that a number of artists have dropped from the
> list. These include: Anderson, Cortot, Duchable,
> Grimaud, Fischer, Gavrilov, Hewitt, Lortie,
> Magaloff, Zayas, and many many others.
Wolfwoman should not have been dropped, and Elton John and Andre Previn
added. Glad to see you've still kept Sanchez. Still an exceptional Iberia,
and I have to thank you for that.
Ray H
Taree
I can afford to.
Bliss to be retired, evidently.
"One of London's finest restaurants" made me laugh. The best ones I've
eaten at are strictly private -- such as in private casinos and the
like. Anything you can actually walk into is usually not better than
British, i.e. bad.
> "One of London's finest restaurants" made me laugh. The best ones I've
> eaten at are strictly private -- such as in private casinos and the
> like. Anything you can actually walk into is usually not better than
> British, i.e. bad.
They serve 1983 Beychevelle there? Can't be that bad.
According to reviews published around that time (1997).
It was one of Gordon Ramsey's eateries that started to
go downhill as a result of quarrels with his business
partners. It wasn't perfect, mind you, just OK. The
wine was better than the food ;-)
> The best ones I've eaten at are strictly private --
> such as in private casinos and the like.
Therefore the term 'restaurant' does not really apply.
> Anything you can actually walk into is usually not
> better than British, i.e. bad.
You mean, one must parachute through the chimney or
be brought in on a stretcher?
dk
An idiotic remark, Owen.
You show how little you know about royalties and royalty statements.
TD
> "One of London's finest restaurants" made me laugh. The best ones I've
> eaten at are strictly private -- such as in private casinos and the
> like. Anything you can actually walk into is usually not better than
> British, i.e. bad.
So, I see that your ignorance is not limited to musical matters.
TD
Which of us lives here, Tom?
I tend to think that you must be brought *out* on a stretcher ;)
Perhaps they do, perhaps they don't. I wouldn't know. I go for the food
if I go at all.
The discussion was about (or turned
to) what you eat, not where you live!
dk
Sorry, I should have written "carried in".
dk
Except for traffic conditions,
I never drive below 90 mph.
dk
Perhaps, but his Schubert D960 on ECM and his
Pictures (on Denon?) wash all his other sins.
dk
Indeed, and I am all for that. I only want to curb Mr. Deacon's
arrogance in the matter of shouting "ignorance" from his village across
the pond.
> "One of London's finest restaurants" made me laugh. The best ones I've
> eaten at are strictly private -- such as in private casinos and the
> like. Anything you can actually walk into is usually not better than
> British, i.e. bad.
The few english/British (?) restaurants I've eaten in, all in the
Birmingham area, were, ah, OK. The important thing for 'provincial'
Americans to understand is that "pub grub" is vastly superiorwhat we are
used to getting in a U.S. "bar & grill": pickled kielbasa chunks, boiled
eggs pickled in the vinegar left from the kielbasa, "Slim Jims"..., and
what the bartender calls "the piece de resistance", a raw egg in your
beer.
bl
Village? What village?!?
Seeleys Bay is hardly a hamlet.
Only the moose stop there, and only to pee.
dk
Two I don't know still. I have a Live in Newport set which includes him
playing the final two Pictures live--huge sound & strength--but even
there he seems incapable of anything approaching subtlety, especially
in terms of rhythm.
I saw him in 1976 when he was 90. He played a full program
that included the "Waldstein Sonata", a Chopin scherzo, several
Chopin etudes, etc. He played a couple of encores, and when
he came out again, he kind of raised his hands in the air as
if to say "I can't do any more!" Of course there were some
wrong notes, but there was still a lot of energy and spirit
to his performance.
--
Jim
New York, NY
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Bob Harper
P.S. I can imagine the Beychevelle was excellent, but I can't imagine it
with cilantro.
Bob, where do you live?
dk
You can always get your daily dose of
subtlety from another pianist. As they
say: division of labour ;-)
dk
> Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > Artur Rubinstein is above my opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> > dk
>
> He's always been my absolute favourite pianist. There is something
> transcendental about his playing, on record. I consider it a loss that
> I was born too late to have ever had the privilege of hearing him live,
> and have always marvelled at his technique (though deteriorating) so
> late in life.
I've stopped listening to his stereo recordings completely. In his
RCA set the good stuff ends IIRC at #26. Open for flaming ;-)
--
Regards,
John Thomas
> Funny how 'controversial' cilantro is. I know people who have your
> reaction, but for me (and my wife), it is the critical ingredient in our
> hot and sour soup recipe. Same thing with a Mexican soup we enjoy. De
> gustibus, I guess.
Dan Koren is the cilantro of music criticism.
No flames, but I think you are being a bit too dogmatic about that. I think
there are several discs from later that are worth it, specially his Carnegie
Hall highlights, Moscow concert, Chopin Ballades, among others. With a
great artist like Rubinstein, you can rarely put a stake in the ground and
say "never beyond this point".
On a Russian classical music board I read that he's currently playing
the entire Chopin Nocturnes in recital. I'm in agreement with you about
him overall; all the same, I wouldn't mind hearing those :)
Bob Harper wrote:
> Funny how 'controversial' cilantro is. I know people who have your
> reaction, but for me (and my wife), it is the critical ingredient in our
> hot and sour soup recipe. Same thing with a Mexican soup we enjoy. De
> gustibus, I guess.
Can you post the recipes, please?
It's typical of the sociopath to have no regard for human life. I hope
you hit a tree at that speed and improve the world.
J
>> The few english/British (?) restaurants I've eaten in, all in the
>> Birmingham area, were, ah, OK. The important thing for 'provincial'
>> Americans to understand is that "pub grub" is vastly superior what we
>> are used to getting in a U.S. "bar & grill": pickled kielbasa chunks,
>> boiled eggs pickled in the vinegar left from the kielbasa, "Slim
>> Jims"..., and what the bartender calls "the piece de resistance", a
>> raw egg in your beer.
>>
>
>
> Bob, where do you live?
>
>
>
> dk
LOL. During my Air Force days I 'hit' B&G's in the Midwest and New
England. Live in Vermont now, but don't frequent bars - the DUI level is
too low now.
bl
> It's typical of the sociopath to have no regard for human life. I hope
> you hit a tree at that speed and improve the world.
Sociopath is as sociopath posts.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
A remark full of a-cumin.
regards,
SG
>
> Don't you know Ciani's recording of the Chopin etudes? Unsurpassed, IMO.
Wow, you surprise me. I didn't think the Op 10 was up to much. I'll do
some more listening.
SE.
> > Perhaps you have the luxury edition of the recording. Mine, on Agora,
> > sounds bootlegged from the audience, and the best part about it *is*
> > the singing -- intense and varied with great care over the sound, the
> > ppp really carries emotion.
>
> I'm afraid the luxury edition (released by DGG) sounds bootlegged as well
> and rather ugly (fault of the recording, not Dino Ciani's).
Nic Hodges had the idea they were different performances. Nic says:
"By a long way my favourite sets are
the two live cycles of Dino Ciani, on Agora and DG Italia. The latter is
cheaper, with slightly better performances but worse sound."
SE.
dk has posted that he wishes whole nations annihilated. Now he tells
us he drives 90 mph in utter disregard of the fact that he is greatly
increasing his chances of killing someone. It doesn't take a sociopath
to assert the world would be better off without such people and to hope
that one day it is.
J
to assert the world would be better off without such people and to hope
that one day it is. <
That's not *exactly* what I read in his post - it sounds to me like he
spends most of his time at typical speeds due to traffic
considerations. He just said it in a way designed to make people speak
before they think ;-). Frankly, I appreciate the iconoclasm he brings.
For what it's worth, when traffic is not in the way (like across the
Nevada desert on Interstate 80), my own average speed occasionally hits
the 90 mph mark. Other cars *still* pass me up.
Bruce Jensen
>"One of London's finest restaurants" made me laugh. The best ones I've
>eaten at are strictly private -- such as in private casinos and the
>like. Anything you can actually walk into is usually not better than
>British, i.e. bad.
Do you think that (say) Tamarind and Le Caprice are "bad"?
Simon
regards,
SG
Yes, he is right: they are different performances. On DG it was recorded 10
december 1971 in Rome, on Agora october 1973 in Turin. But although the Rome
recording was released by DG, it's still sounds bootlegged with loud
coughs, etc.
Benjo Maso
I don't know what you "exactly" read in his post, but that's exactly
what it said. That he is sometimes prevented from going 90 mph is
irrelevant to the point I made. Speeding is a disgustingly selfish and
thoughtless act. It basically says your right to make it to your
destination quicker is worth risking your life, the lives of your
passengers, and the lives of those around you. I don't care how common
it is. That doesn't change the fact that it is evil.
J
Smiley indeed. These might be the very last things I'd want to hear him
play--which is to say, bottom of a long list.
Nothing the matter with his Handel and Bach though.
SE.
> I don't know what you "exactly" read in his post, but that's exactly
> what it said. That he is sometimes prevented from going 90 mph is
> irrelevant to the point I made. Speeding is a disgustingly selfish and
> thoughtless act. It basically says your right to make it to your
> destination quicker is worth risking your life, the lives of your
> passengers, and the lives of those around you. I don't care how common
> it is. That doesn't change the fact that it is evil.
Not, however, as evil as some of his comments on fine musicians such as
Dinu Lipatti, Wilhelm Backhaus, Walter Gieseking, Murray Perahia, Clara
Haskil, etc., etc.
In order to propagate such remarks it takes a very special form of
nastiness. Hell will welcome him with open arms, I feel sure.
TD
Your hyperbole knows no bounds.
"Steve Emerson" <eme...@nospamsonic.net> wrote in message
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The biggest problem with Gavrilov is that he never
really wanted to be a pianist (or so he claims),
and it shows.
Other than that, his Scriabin op. 42/5 must be
heard to be disbelieved.
dk